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Dallas Cowboys
10-21-2019, 04:32 PM
I'm bored so I compiled this list of the number of QB's drafted in each draft from 1979-2000. My totals don't include undrafted QB's or ones taken in the supplemental draft like Steve Walsh in 1989. Next to each year I put the HOF QBs from that class. Or surefire HOF like Brady and Manning.
1979 – 12 JOE MONTANA
1980 – 12
1981 – 10
1982 – 8
1983 – 13 JOHN ELWAY,JIM KELLY,DAN MARINO
1984 – 13, STEVE YOUNG NOT DRAFTED WENT TO USFL
1985 – 6
1986 – 13
1987 –17
1988 – 9
1989 – 10 TROY AIKMAN
1990 -13
1991- 10 BRETT FAVRE
1992 – 15
1993 – 8
1994- 9 KURT WARNER WAS UNDRAFTED
1995 -13
1996 – 6
1997- 9
1998 -7 PEYTON MANNING
1999 – 13
2000 – 11 TOM BRADY
237 Quarterbacks drafted.
Only 10 HOFers.
Do you really want to invest in quarterbacks?
We always tell new collectors Quarterbacks are the only ones that hold value but I would agree with most people that you should sell when they are hot.
asujbl
10-21-2019, 04:40 PM
Why stop at 2000?
Because 2004 might have 3 HOF’ers? 2005 has 1? 2001 has 1?
I’d love to see the RB list (or any position) for the that same time frame
I bet it’s not 4%
Dallas Cowboys
10-21-2019, 04:44 PM
Why stop at 2000?
Because 2004 might have 3 HOF’ers? 2005 has 1? 2001 has 1?
I’d love to see the RB list (or any position) for the that same time frame
I bet it’s not 4%
I guess I could but then you would be getting into listing more debatable HOFers. Notice I didn't put Donovan McNabb's name on 1999. He may make it hey may not but he's not sure fire like Brady and Manning. I guess I could have put 1978 and Warren Moon who didn't get drafted and went to the CFL.
asujbl
10-21-2019, 04:46 PM
I guess I could but then you would be getting into listing more debatable HOFers. Notice I didn't put Donovan McNabb's name on 1999. He may make it hey may not but he's not sure fire like Brady and Manning. I guess I could have put 1978 and Warren Moon who didn't get drafted and went to the CFL.
It also skews your stats... since I just named 5 HOF’ers since your list stopped
Add 5 more years and you’ve added 50% to the HOF
SkolVikesCards
10-21-2019, 04:55 PM
This is interesting to look at, your point about investing in QBs doesn’t seem valid because even if a player like Mahomes doesn’t get another win, those who invested in 2017 can sell for an insane payoff today. Same goes for Jimmy G or Dak (before the 2016 season)
Lancia Stratos
10-21-2019, 05:01 PM
No one is investing in these guys waiting for their HOF induction
Dallas Cowboys
10-21-2019, 05:03 PM
I think I made it clear that I agree with others that say sell them when they are hot. There are people that hold long term.
asujbl
10-21-2019, 05:05 PM
I think I made it clear that I agree with others that say sell them when they are hot. There are people that hold long term.
What kind of QB’s are you advocating selling?
Was anyone holding Chad Pennington long term? Heath Shuler? Tim Couch?
I agree you sell the backup QB flavor of the months... I made a fortune on Chad Henne and Mike Kafka
QB’s bust quickly for all intents and purposes
I assume you’re talking a Matt Stafford type (youngest player to 40,000 yards FWIW)
Lancia Stratos
10-21-2019, 05:21 PM
I’m still holding my ‘94 Heath Shuler stash. There’s still time, dammit!
asujbl
10-21-2019, 06:17 PM
I’m still holding my ‘94 Heath Shuler stash. There’s still time, dammit!
Isn’t it now Senator Shuler?
Archangel1775
10-22-2019, 05:13 AM
You can do this for football every year. From 2001 on, we know Drew Brees, Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers are locks. Eli, Rivers are a coin flip and everyone else is chasing. Stafford and Ryan looks like they will be putting up very large career numbers. Cam looks like he's on the down slope.Russell Wilson looks like the only QB in the 2010's plus that's on the path. So it continues to be a very short list.
KhalDrogo
10-22-2019, 05:59 AM
I don't think the hobby knows how to separate "drafted high" from "potential superstar". Some guys just never had it. Some guys were doomed by their draft. Very few ever have a shot at becoming something big. Just look at some of these names drafted in the first round. How many of them did you look at, and honestly tell yourself they had a chance to be something big in the NFL?
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/list/ranking-every-nfl-quarterback-drafted-first-round-since-2000/16obdsowna7kk1gnhl9iqrp2pg/8
I guess I could but then you would be getting into listing more debatable HOFers. Notice I didn't put Donovan McNabb's name on 1999. He may make it hey may not but he's not sure fire like Brady and Manning. I guess I could have put 1978 and Warren Moon who didn't get drafted and went to the CFL.
I dont think anyone is debating if a Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers are going to make it into the Hall of Fame.
No matter what, there are fewer than 3 dozen QB's in the HOF from 100 years of playing Pro Football. It is not supposed to be easy. No matter what, lack of induction doesn't mean an investment is bad or wont pan out.
sethc1020
10-22-2019, 07:55 AM
One thing to note is that since 2000 (where you stopped) the game has continually been made easier/safer for QBs. Pre 2000 was a totally different game than it is today and the QB #s prove it. QBs are now playing well into their 40s which was almost unheard of back then because of the beating players took. QBs are a much safer investment than any other position in football hands down. There are always going to be big variations at any position for a given year when it comes to HOF players drafted vs non-HOF players. They just don't grow on trees.
fungi2510
10-22-2019, 08:15 AM
You can do this for football every year. From 2001 on, we know Drew Brees, Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers are locks. Eli, Rivers are a coin flip and everyone else is chasing. Stafford and Ryan looks like they will be putting up very large career numbers. Cam looks like he's on the down slope.Russell Wilson looks like the only QB in the 2010's plus that's on the path. So it continues to be a very short list.
Eli is a for sure HOFer. Two Super Bowl wins as a QB gets you in. He may not get in on his first try, but he will be in. Guaranteed.
88horsepower
10-22-2019, 09:19 AM
Eli is a for sure HOFer. Two Super Bowl wins as a QB gets you in. He may not get in on his first try, but he will be in. Guaranteed.
Jim Plunkett begs to differ, but I understand what you mean.
1983 – 13 JOHN ELWAY,JIM KELLY,DAN MARINO
1984 – 13, STEVE YOUNG NOT DRAFTED WENT TO USFL
1985 – 6
1986 – 13
1987 –17
1988 – 9
1989 – 10 TROY AIKMAN
1990 -13
1991- 10 BRETT FAVRE
1992 – 15
1993 – 8
1994- 9 KURT WARNER WAS UNDRAFTED
1995 -13
1996 – 6
1997- 9
1998 -7 PEYTON MANNING
1999 – 13
2000 – 11 TOM BRADY
2001 - Drew Bress.
2002 -
2003 - Carson Palmer?
2004 - Manning, Rivers & Big Ben
2005 Aaron Rodgers
23 years above now, and you have 7 QB's already in. 4 that are locks once eligible (Peyton, Brady, Brees & Rodgers). 3 more that are most likely, Eli, Rivers & Ben. And dont sleep on Carson Palmer, he is almost top 10 in major passing stats. Almost 40,000 yards and 300 TD's is no joke. Just never won anything.
That is 11 QB's in or going into the Hall, with possibly 4 more behind them. 15 QB's from the above sample is a HOF QB getting cranked out every other 1.5 years on average. Not too shabby!
Brian48
10-22-2019, 11:47 AM
There's a few other QBs that will never make the HoF, but are still public enough and/or involved in the game to remain popular to a certain degree. Guys like Hasselback, Bledsoe, and most notably Romo. These were good, but not great players. Certainly their respective teams are sorry for drafting/signing them.
SethMurphy
10-22-2019, 12:17 PM
RB draft history
1979 - 47
1980 - 47
1981 - 45
1982 - 43, Marcus Allen
1983 - 46, Eric Dickerson
1984 - 48
1985 - 34
1986 - 48
1987 - 54
1988 - 41, Thurman Thomas
1989 - 46, Barry Sanderson
1990 - 42, Emmitt Smith
1991 - 41, (Ricky Watters)
1992 - 32
1993 - 21, Jerome Bettis
1994 - 28, Marshall Faulk
1995 - 25, Curtis Martin, Terrell Davis
1996 - 31, (Eddie George)
1997 - 22, (Warrick Dunn, Tiki Barber, Corey Dillon)
1998 - 29, (Fred Taylor)
1999 - 26, (Edgerrin James, Ricky Williams)
2000 - 23, (Jamal Lewis, Thomas Jones)
819 RBs selected from 1979-2000
9 HOF players already inducted
10 players with more than 10,000 career rushing yards not inducted
someone said they wanted to see the numbers
BSUBEAVERS06
10-22-2019, 01:04 PM
RB draft history
1979 - 47
1980 - 47
1981 - 45
1982 - 43, Marcus Allen
1983 - 46, Eric Dickerson
1984 - 48
1985 - 34
1986 - 48
1987 - 54
1988 - 41, Thurman Thomas
1989 - 46, Barry Sanderson
1990 - 42, Emmitt Smith
1991 - 41
1992 - 32
1993 - 21, Jerome Bettis
1994 - 28, Marshall Faulk
1995 - 25, Curtis Martin, Terrell Davis
1996 - 31, (Eddie George)
1997 - 22, (Warrick Dunn, Tiki Barber, Corey Dillon)
1998 - 29, (Fred Taylor)
1999 - 26, (Edgerrin James, Ricky Williams)
2000 - 23, (Jamal Lewis, Thomas Jones)
819 RBs selected from 1979-2000
9 HOF players already inducted
9 players with more than 10,000 career rushing yards not inducted
someone said they wanted to see the numbers
You missed Ricky Watters from 1991, who also has over 10,000 yards
Archangel1775
10-22-2019, 07:16 PM
It'll be harder for running backs to get into the HOF over time. Teams have seemed to go to running back by committee. If we go 2001 on, aside from LT, only Adrian Peterson and Frank Gore have HOF resumes. I remember when Jamaal Charles and Chris Johnson were looking like all time greats. The only current, young RB that is on path seems to be Zeke. Saqoun is a premier back but already hobbled by injuries.
asujbl
10-22-2019, 07:26 PM
RB draft history
1979 - 47
1980 - 47
1981 - 45
1982 - 43, Marcus Allen
1983 - 46, Eric Dickerson
1984 - 48
1985 - 34
1986 - 48
1987 - 54
1988 - 41, Thurman Thomas
1989 - 46, Barry Sanderson
1990 - 42, Emmitt Smith
1991 - 41, (Ricky Watters)
1992 - 32
1993 - 21, Jerome Bettis
1994 - 28, Marshall Faulk
1995 - 25, Curtis Martin, Terrell Davis
1996 - 31, (Eddie George)
1997 - 22, (Warrick Dunn, Tiki Barber, Corey Dillon)
1998 - 29, (Fred Taylor)
1999 - 26, (Edgerrin James, Ricky Williams)
2000 - 23, (Jamal Lewis, Thomas Jones)
819 RBs selected from 1979-2000
9 HOF players already inducted
10 players with more than 10,000 career rushing yards not inducted
someone said they wanted to see the numbers
I’m no CPA but I can calculate 5%
deansayso
10-22-2019, 09:00 PM
Who invests in a hobby? Idiots. That's who. It's called a hobby for a reason
mfw13
10-22-2019, 11:13 PM
1983 – 13 JOHN ELWAY,JIM KELLY,DAN MARINO
1984 – 13, STEVE YOUNG NOT DRAFTED WENT TO USFL
1985 – 6
1986 – 13
1987 –17
1988 – 9
1989 – 10 TROY AIKMAN
1990 -13
1991- 10 BRETT FAVRE
1992 – 15
1993 – 8
1994- 9 KURT WARNER WAS UNDRAFTED
1995 -13
1996 – 6
1997- 9
1998 -7 PEYTON MANNING
1999 – 13
2000 – 11 TOM BRADY
2001 - Drew Bress.
2002 -
2003 - Carson Palmer?
2004 - Manning, Rivers & Big Ben
2005 Aaron Rodgers
23 years above now, and you have 7 QB's already in. 4 that are locks once eligible (Peyton, Brady, Brees & Rodgers). 3 more that are most likely, Eli, Rivers & Ben. And dont sleep on Carson Palmer, he is almost top 10 in major passing stats. Almost 40,000 yards and 300 TD's is no joke. Just never won anything.
That is 11 QB's in or going into the Hall, with possibly 4 more behind them. 15 QB's from the above sample is a HOF QB getting cranked out every other 1.5 years on average. Not too shabby!
I disagree with your analysis of active QB's.
Carson Palmer has no shot....piling up counting stats in an era when the passing game has exploded does not a HOFer make. Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers are also long-shots. Winning two SB's does not automatically make you an HOFer (ask Jim Plunkett), and Rivers, while impressive in the regular season, has never even played in a Super Bowl (only other HOF QB without a Super Bowl appearance is Dan Fouts).
Archangel1775
10-23-2019, 04:43 AM
I disagree with your analysis of active QB's.
Carson Palmer has no shot....piling up counting stats in an era when the passing game has exploded does not a HOFer make. Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers are also long-shots. Winning two SB's does not automatically make you an HOFer (ask Jim Plunkett), and Rivers, while impressive in the regular season, has never even played in a Super Bowl (only other HOF QB without a Super Bowl appearance is Dan Fouts).
I get this:
Counting stats doesnt make you a HOFer-Rivers
Super Bowls doesnt make you a HOFer-Eli
I don't get this:
Ben Roethlisberger has the counting stats: Top 10 in Yardage and TD's
Ben Roethlisberger has the SB appearances: 3 total, winning 2
Also ROY and 6 Pro Bowls
You really dont think he's a Hall of Famer?
deansayso
10-23-2019, 07:48 AM
I disagree with your analysis of active QB's.
Carson Palmer has no shot....piling up counting stats in an era when the passing game has exploded does not a HOFer make. Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers are also long-shots. Winning two SB's does not automatically make you an HOFer (ask Jim Plunkett), and Rivers, while impressive in the regular season, has never even played in a Super Bowl (only other HOF QB without a Super Bowl appearance is Dan Fouts).
Ask jim Plunkett if he had the stats to backup those superbowls on his resume. 25k yards, 164 TDs and 198 INTs. All in 16 seasons...
wensel888
10-23-2019, 08:32 AM
I get this:
Counting stats doesnt make you a HOFer-Rivers
Super Bowls doesnt make you a HOFer-Eli
I don't get this:
Ben Roethlisberger has the counting stats: Top 10 in Yardage and TD's
Ben Roethlisberger has the SB appearances: 3 total, winning 2
Also ROY and 6 Pro Bowls
You really dont think he's a Hall of Famer?
You have logic overall.
I hate the Steelers and Big Ben, but he is a HOF, probably gets in 1st ballot at this point.
I think Eli does get into the HOF. He takes a few years to get in but he will eventually get in. Beating the greatest post salary cap NFL dynasty twice in the big game will push him over.
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