Who thinks Luka Doncic can be MVP this year

[Basti]

I think he can take it if the Mavs make the playoffs and he continues to play that strong.
What do you think?

[vamz]

I don’t think mavs will win enough games.

I think he can be top 3

[Archangel1775]

It'll be tough, their team has to dominate.

[mark D]

His stat lines say yes. But AD could too, or bron bron. Stats don't lie.

[mark D]

He would have to share the award with his mom. She does sign half is autos.... flawless autos prove he has 2 clearly different autos. 99.9999 percent sure the lulus are a female sig.

[Spacemanspif]

He would have to share the award with his mom. She does sign half is autos.... flawless autos prove he has 2 clearly different autos. 99.9999 percent sure the lulus are a female sig.

Sounds like a hidden parallel. Buying two of every auto set is going to get pricey...

Also, lol at the header. Sure it’s exciting but there’s no way in hell. Giannis is so dominant in every aspect it’s not even up for debate

[mark D]

Sounds like a hidden parallel. Buying two of every auto set is going to get pricey...

Also, lol at the header. Sure it’s exciting but there’s no way in hell. Giannis is so dominant in every aspect it’s not even up for debate

Injuries could keep this debate alive.

[mark D]

some of his rebounds and assists were amazeballs 15 16 35 points.. that is super star stuff

[KhalDrogo]

He won't win this year. But he is top 5 for sure. Mavs don't have enough outside of Porzingis and Luka to stay in real contention in the WC. Last night was a great example.

[Vladdy Jr]

Yes, no doubt in MY mind. However, it’ll go to the more popular seasoned veteran.

[ldsports]

if he can keep up this pace he absolutely has a chance

[mark D]

if he can keep up this pace he absolutely has a chance

He really is good. we see the hype but he has so far lived up to it. Agree he could be the next great player and actually deserve it.

[dcarado]

He has a chance, but very small. Even if he keeps up the pace and he's neck and neck with a vet, it'll go to the vet. His time will come, but not this year.

[Prospectorsadvantage]

He’s a better Russ.

[GeechQuest]

0% chance.

Clown question.

[RogerGodahell]

Yep, but only if they finish 1st place in the western conference. Its not going to happen this year. He'll have his time.

[dkcardman]

For MVP? While I'd love that for his card value, that is a huge longshot in reality. Anything is possible but the mavs will have to play much better and win a lot of games for him to get love over AD, Lebron, Kawhi, Giannis and even Irving and Harden if they win enough games. Plus he needs to improve on turnover rate and defense to have a legitimate shot. Mava still have to figure out their lineup though as they struggle at times figuring out the right matchups to put on the court. They are very streaky and prone to sloppy 5 minute runs where nothing happens. Need to he more consistent. Last nights home loss to the Knicks who shot 41% total and 50% from 3 should be an eye opener for them. Their D is terrible.

[RandyC]

Luka is a top five player in the league right now! He freaking 20...

Kawhi will never win MVP because of "load management".

[COMCMax]

No doubt he's got a shot at this pace.

Someone snatched up all the PSA 10s and a new high on a raw. The Optic hype is fo real. Looking forward to busting my Mega's otw.

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[jbettis32]

If both lebron and luka finished the season at about 28 9 9, mavs get in the playoff with #6 - 8 seeds. Should he get the MVP for worst supporting comparing to the Lakers? Or still hand the trophy to lebron?

[GeechQuest]

If both lebron and luka finished the season at about 28 9 9, mavs get in the playoff with #6 - 8 seeds. Should he get the MVP for worst supporting comparing to the Lakers? Or still hand the trophy to lebron?

You hand it to LeBron.

[Braswell10]

If both lebron and luka finished the season at about 28 9 9, mavs get in the playoff with #6 - 8 seeds. Should he get the MVP for worst supporting comparing to the Lakers? Or still hand the trophy to lebron?

MVP has never been about worst supporting cast. It’s about how well the player did, and where the team finished in the standings.

You are comparing guys with the same stats, but one could be the 1st seed while the other could be the 8th seed.

In that outcome it would definitely go to Lebron.

[RandyC]

0% chance.

Clown question.

Sometimes, not saying anything is the best answer.

[RandyC]

If both lebron and luka finished the season at about 28 9 9, mavs get in the playoff with #6 - 8 seeds. Should he get the MVP for worst supporting comparing to the Lakers? Or still hand the trophy to lebron?

The King would win it.

[GeechQuest]

Sometimes, not saying anything is the best answer.

Yeah. Luka is great no doubt and playing at an All-NBA level. Dude has already passed what I thought he would be even if he had a career ending injury. I never thought he’d be as good as he currently is, and the sky is really the limit.

That said, he’s nowhere close to MVP of the league. By close I mean in serious contention.

His Mavs are 6th in the West right now. They’ll get passed by the Spurs, Blazers, Timberwolves, possibly the Suns, possibly the Kings, and even the long shot Pelicans by years end (assuming Zion comes back and stays healthy).

It’s quite obvious the holes the Mavs have. It’s just an incomplete team. They’ve beaten 1 playoff team at this point (Nuggets) and that’s solely because the Nuggets bench joined witness protection that night.

It’s easy to box score check and see Luka balling out. He really is. He’s the only competent piece on that team. Porzingis looks like a shell of even his RC year, they don’t have a reliable bench, they don’t have any front court defense that can get stops. The Lakers just fed Davis the last 3 minutes of the game on the post to keep up with the Mavs because getting buckets inside is too easy. Competent scoring centers abuse them inside.

The better question is will Luka ever win an MVP? I’m saying the odds are like +500 right now for an MVP in his career.

[ballhawkdawk]

No. He won’t be the MVP, and the Mavs won’t win enough games for him to be MVP if he even was in the discussion. Giannis and AD are excellent defenders to go with their offensive game. It’s no slight against Luka, but the league is just chock full of talent right now, and offense alone isn’t enough.

[ThoseBackPages]

not this year, but he IS already a Hobby MVP

[RogerGodahell]

No one could have predicted the jump from year 1 which was pretty amazing to year 2 which has been other worldly.

They will have to win the conference for him to win MVP and that's not going to happen this year. The Mavs a are still a few pieces away from being a legit contender.

The crazy thing is he's still only 20 years old and still peaking. The sky is the limit for him. 5 years from now when he's 25 we may look back and say damn those stats are impressive.

He will definitely need some help though. The good thing is hopefully other players take notice and see how willing of a passer he is and think about joining the Mavs squad in the off season. They really need a legit 3rd scoring option and a strong defensive player.

[Basti]

You still don’t think he can take it??

[Justin7]

Lebron James is on a winning team and has an entire media narrative force behind him + he's playing well, including defense. If we're tossing a name next to Giannis, I am throwing his name before Luka and I am big on Luka.

[MyckKabongo]

MVP is heavily driven by media narrative. It basically never goes to a player that hasn't finished top 3 in MVP voting in a prior season. Luka has zero shot this year. Giannis, Lebron and Harden are the contenders. AD could get in there with a big hot streak because a lot of media people are biased towards giving the award to a first timer rather than a repeat winner.

[Dnic]

You still don’t think he can take it??

I believe he can if, he keeps this kind of production up and the Mavs make the playoffs. One thing I have learned is never listen to blowout analysts they are usually wrong, same kind of people that said Luka wont get any better, he reached his ceiling, Mavs have 0% shot at making the playoffs etc.... Just watch and enjoy the kid is a absolute baller and has the killer instinct :)!

[bigjbasketball]

Mavs will never win enough games this season for him to win MVP. The year Russ won with his first triple double season was an outlier, and it was only because it was the first time someone averaged a triple double since Oscar Robertson. You saw what happened in the MVP voting when he averaged a triple double the next year. Luka will get his MVP chance later in his career, but it won’t be with this year’s team.

[KhalDrogo]

1. Giannis
2. Harden
3. LeBron
4. Luka

That's my ranking right now. Giannis leads the Bucks in points, rebounds, assists, and steals. That's why I give him the edge over Harden for now.

[hoopsrcx]

1. Giannis

2. Harden

3. LeBron

4. Luka



That's my ranking right now. Giannis leads the Bucks in points, rebounds, assists, and steals. That's why I give him the edge over Harden for now.Nailed it.

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[brettmik59]

0% chance.

Clown question.

According to the bookies, about a 14% chance. Certainly above 0%.

[brettmik59]

not this year, but he IS already a Hobby MVP

Young, white, high scoring, unathletic/relatable. A very powerful combination.

[ninjacookies]

He's going to have to have the Mavs finishing top 2 in the West to have a chance. The numbers are amazing for his age, but voters do not take age into consideration. And the other top candidates like LBJ, Harden and Giannis will have equally as impressive numbers. Giannis has a massive edge in this field because he has top numbers on both sides of the ball. It's going to come down to team success.

[Giannis34fan]

Luka will win an MVP but most likely in the next 2-3 years... the Mavs need to an extra piece to help Luka and Porzingis get the team to a better spot in the Western Conference and make the playoffs. They do have a chance this year though...especially if Luka can close out games BUT the schedule will get tougher as the year goes by...

[theLUCKYshow]

He's not going to win it this year but should be a top 5 and arguably a top 3 the way he is playing. He could actually win Most Improved Player if he keeps these stats up. Or is that not in the spirit of the award?

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[Willikn]

Westbrook won it with his team as a sixth seed. By a landslide too. Led the league in scoring, averaged a 3D, and only missed one game. Hard but not impossible.

The other candidates will all suffer the load management downer. My gut reaction was, "no". Thought on it for a bit and now I feel the door is open.

[RogerGodahell]

He would have to

A. Get in the playoffs, preferably top 3 seed.

B. Keep pushing the stats higher. Seriously, when is he going to slow down? They just keep going up and up. Break Westbrook's record? (A 30 point triple double average would be impressive. )

C. The other competitors finish lower seed then the Mavs (highly unlikely)

[ninjacookies]

Westbrook won it with his team as a sixth seed. By a landslide too. Led the league in scoring, averaged a 3D, and only missed one game. Hard but not impossible.

The other candidates will all suffer the load management downer. My gut reaction was, "no". Thought on it for a bit and now I feel the door is open.

WB won that year because of the first player to average a 3d since Oscar narrative. It was fresh and new, back when the triple double was somewhat coveted. Did it again and nobody cared. It's lost quite a bit of luster.

This was also back when Harden was 'only' a 27ppg scorer and the year before Giannis' breakout (22ppg back then).

I'd say wb had some big advantages that season.

Harden and ABC won't be load managed. AD will probably come into the fold sometime, and guys like Towns, Lilard and Embiid will likely come into play. Stll 80% of the season left to play. Lol@some people still discounting LBJ as a potential frontrunner like he'll fall off a cliff.

[BigSeph]

This current Mavs team is doing him no favors in MVP voting.

I can't tell you how many perfect setups he's given his teammates only to have them throw up horrible bricks. Powell at the rim blowing layups, Finney-Smith and Hardaway bricking endless wide open 3s.

Porzingis forgot he's 7ft tall and wants to enter the Chris Bosh stage of his career.

The Mavs need a second primary scorer and his stats and the team success will really take off. When that happens, he's a legit MVP candidate to WIN.

Until then, he's top-5 and accomplishing unprecedented things.

[RogerGodahell]

This current Mavs team is doing him no favors in MVP voting.

I can't tell you how many perfect setups he's given his teammates only to have them throw up horrible bricks. Powell at the rim blowing layups, Finney-Smith and Hardaway bricking endless wide open 3s.

Porzingis forgot he's 7ft tall and wants to enter the Chris Bosh stage of his career.

The Mavs need a second primary scorer and his stats and the team success will really take off. When that happens, he's a legit MVP candidate to WIN.

Until then, he's top-5 and accomplishing unprecedented things.

I don't disagree with that. Give him a Klay Thompson and the Mavs are going places. Porzingis is alright but he just wants to shoot 3's.

[GeechQuest]

According to the bookies, about a 14% chance. Certainly above 0%.

The best line I can find of his is +1600, or 5.88%.

If you're seeing him around +615, go to another book and take the free $1K!

[TigerEyes]

Young, white, high scoring, unathletic/relatable. A very powerful combination.

All good points, but you forgot Mom is easy on the eyes!

[kenji003]

Getting into playoff is a key factor. Considering recent 10 years MVP, Russ is with #6 seed team of the playoffs and that is the lowest # of recent 10 years. I will say that will be the bottomline for Luka

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[Willikn]

WB won that year because of the first player to average a 3d since Oscar narrative. It was fresh and new, back when the triple double was somewhat coveted. Did it again and nobody cared. It's lost quite a bit of luster.

This was also back when Harden was 'only' a 27ppg scorer and the year before Giannis' breakout (22ppg back then).

I'd say wb had some big advantages that season.

Harden and ABC won't be load managed. AD will probably come into the fold sometime, and guys like Towns, Lilard and Embiid will likely come into play. Stll 80% of the season left to play. Lol@some people still discounting LBJ as a potential frontrunner like he'll fall off a cliff.

I think you can scratch Harden from the list. Media won't allow it short of the Rockets winning 70. No one cares that the guy plays every night. Cause, you know, he cheats for something.

Giannis is now a poor man's Luka. Do it all, just not quite as much as Luka does. Yeah, he's a FAR superior defender, but that means nothing for this vote.

If the Lakers are headed to the best record, James will play every night. MVPs mean a lot to him and he'll go for it. He is probably the favorite. His drawback is that he's competing with his past MVP self. His ppg will be near a career low. Far behind Luka.

Luka has that Steve Nash mojo going. If that guy can win an MVP being something like the 5th best pg in the league.. being the worst defensive player we've ever seen.. that does open the door for a 20 year old media darling scratching at a triple double while also scoring 28 ppg.

MVP voting isn't reality. Reality is that he should probably be behind Giannis and Harden at least. I don't think those two have a chance in hades at garnering the vote.

[DajuanWagner]

All good points, but you forgot Mom is easy on the eyes!



So are her autographs...……..

[Justin7]

I think you can scratch Harden from the list. Media won't allow it short of the Rockets winning 70. No one cares that the guy plays every night. Cause, you know, he cheats for something.

Giannis is now a poor man's Luka. Do it all, just not quite as much as Luka does. Yeah, he's a FAR superior defender, but that means nothing for this vote.

If the Lakers are headed to the best record, James will play every night. MVPs mean a lot to him and he'll go for it. He is probably the favorite. His drawback is that he's competing with his past MVP self. His ppg will be near a career low. Far behind Luka.

Luka has that Steve Nash mojo going. If that guy can win an MVP being something like the 5th best pg in the league.. being the worst defensive player we've ever seen.. that does open the door for a 20 year old media darling scratching at a triple double while also scoring 28 ppg.

MVP voting isn't reality. Reality is that he should probably be behind Giannis and Harden at least. I don't think those two have a chance in hades at garnering the vote.

Bruh this is a horrible take. Giannis' defense doesn't count, really?!?
I am a sixers fan and even I can that if the Bucks win the 1st seed, Giannis is the favorite for MVP. Not just in the running but favorite. Laker/Lebron arc is a very close second if they win too but saying Giannis won't garner any votes, really? Giannis will get plenty of votes.

[brettmik59]

The best line I can find of his is +1600, or 5.88%.

If you're seeing him around +615, go to another book and take the free $1K!

6-1 on sportsbook.com, equivalent with LBJ. Only guys above him are Giannis and Jimmy Hardon. I'm not looking to place that bet though.

[RogerGodahell]

I think he meant "the vote" as in the majority of votes needed to win. Not that he wouldn't get any votes at all.

I have either LeBron or Giannis winning. I can see his point on Harden and the hate for him. Great player but the media doesn't like him.

[Justin7]

I think he meant "the vote" as in the majority of votes needed to win. Not that he wouldn't get any votes at all.

I have either LeBron or Giannis winning. I can see his point on Harden and the hate for him. Great player but the media doesn't like him.

Oh, big, if true. Fair enough. My list is the same as yours, though.

[ninjacookies]

I think you can scratch Harden from the list. Media won't allow it short of the Rockets winning 70. No one cares that the guy plays every night. Cause, you know, he cheats for something.

Giannis is now a poor man's Luka. Do it all, just not quite as much as Luka does. Yeah, he's a FAR superior defender, but that means nothing for this vote.

If the Lakers are headed to the best record, James will play every night. MVPs mean a lot to him and he'll go for it. He is probably the favorite. His drawback is that he's competing with his past MVP self. His ppg will be near a career low. Far behind Luka.

Luka has that Steve Nash mojo going. If that guy can win an MVP being something like the 5th best pg in the league.. being the worst defensive player we've ever seen.. that does open the door for a 20 year old media darling scratching at a triple double while also scoring 28 ppg.

MVP voting isn't reality. Reality is that he should probably be behind Giannis and Harden at least. I don't think those two have a chance in hades at garnering the vote.

I mean, Harden already won in 2015 averaging under 30ppg. I don't think the 'fan' perception translates as easily to the mvp voters. He's been top 3 basically every year the past 5 years, and lost to players who were just that much better than him.

Giannis absolutely is the player to beat. Unless the Bucks somehow falter, he's the only one out of the top 5 candidates who has top 5 metrics on both sides of the ball. That's automatically a huge advantage, and the reason why he won last year despite Harden putting up historical offensive stats while carrying a g-league squad.

LBJ will be there this year. I don't care what people say about maintenance days or him being too old...he seems even more driven this year after suffering his first playoff non-appearance in forever. I don't see him taking his foot off the throttle...he knows this is a golden opportunity with the Warriors out of the equation and father time creeping up.

[Willikn]

Bruh this is a horrible take. Giannis' defense doesn't count, really?!?

I am a sixers fan and even I can that if the Bucks win the 1st seed, Giannis is the favorite for MVP. Not just in the running but favorite. Laker/Lebron arc is a very close second if they win too but saying Giannis won't garner any votes is the dumbest thing posted here. Giannis will get plenty of votes.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I will attempt to be better.

Giannis will have the decked stacked against him because he won last year. The reigning MVP is always competing both with the field and with what they did a year ago. In order to win, both he and the Bucks will need to be better than a year ago.

Defensive ability, or lack thereof, has never been a media consideration when voting. Back to back MVP winners, like Nash and Steph, those guys were targets of opposing offenses. Posted up on the regular because they couldn't really man up anyone.

You think Giannis is winning it again. That's okay man. It is a media vote. Not something logical. I do recommend you place a wager on that and take advantage.

[Justin7]

I'm sorry you feel that way. I will attempt to be better.

Giannis will have the decked stacked against him because he won last year. The reigning MVP is always competing both with the field and with what they did a year ago. In order to win, both he and the Bucks will need to be better than a year ago.

Defensive ability, or lack thereof, has never been a media consideration when voting. Back to back MVP winners, like Nash and Steph, those guys were targets of opposing offenses. Posted up on the regular because they couldn't really man up anyone.

You think Giannis is winning it again. That's okay man. It is a media vote. Not something logical. I do recommend you place a wager on that and take advantage.

I don't think Giannis is winning again. I thought the statement that he wouldn't get any votes is stupid. Perhaps you didn't mean any votes but just winning in general, if I misunderstood that part I cleared that up and that's my bad. Bucks will need to get the 1st seed for him to win. That's uncertain. I think people are sleeping on Lebron and I think they are neck & neck. I'd never place a wager on something I think is 50/50. The statement that defense doesn't matter is objectively wrong, too.

[GeechQuest]

I think you can scratch Harden from the list. Media won't allow it short of the Rockets winning 70. No one cares that the guy plays every night. Cause, you know, he cheats for something.

Giannis is now a poor man's Luka. Do it all, just not quite as much as Luka does. Yeah, he's a FAR superior defender, but that means nothing for this vote.

If the Lakers are headed to the best record, James will play every night. MVPs mean a lot to him and he'll go for it. He is probably the favorite. His drawback is that he's competing with his past MVP self. His ppg will be near a career low. Far behind Luka.

Luka has that Steve Nash mojo going. If that guy can win an MVP being something like the 5th best pg in the league.. being the worst defensive player we've ever seen.. that does open the door for a 20 year old media darling scratching at a triple double while also scoring 28 ppg.

MVP voting isn't reality. Reality is that he should probably be behind Giannis and Harden at least. I don't think those two have a chance in hades at garnering the vote.

https://media.giphy.com/media/8Pye1ldfvIuhcf0YW4/giphy.gif

Damn man, even Luka is shocked by this take..

[Willikn]

I mean, Harden already won in 2015 averaging under 30ppg. I don't think the 'fan' perception translates as easily to the mvp voters. He's been top 3 basically every year the past 5 years, and lost to players who were just that much better than him.

Giannis absolutely is the player to beat. Unless the Bucks somehow falter, he's the only one out of the top 5 candidates who has top 5 metrics on both sides of the ball. That's automatically a huge advantage, and the reason why he won last year despite Harden putting up historical offensive stats while carrying a g-league squad.

LBJ will be there this year. I don't care what people say about maintenance days or him being too old...he seems even more driven this year after suffering his first playoff non-appearance in forever. I don't see him taking his foot off the throttle...he knows this is a golden opportunity with the Warriors out of the equation and father time creeping up.

Clarity. I didn't say Doncic was the favorite. I said only that, after some thought, I was surprised at my own deduction that he has a shot at this.

Again, we aren't debating real fact. We are debating a media vote. I'd vote Harden assuming he again plays every night. I would have last year. I also knew he wouldn't win last year.

For those thinking MVP voting is grounded in reality, I invite you to review Steve Nash's seasons when he won. Know that he was a terrible defensive liability. Then compare him with defensive studs like Jason Kidd or Chauncey Billups neither of which got a single vote. Media by and large are captured by flash more than substance. Defense is all substance.

[Willikn]

I don't think Giannis is winning again. I thought the statement that he wouldn't get any votes is stupid. Perhaps you didn't mean any votes but just winning in general, if I misunderstood that part I cleared that up and that's my bad. Bucks will need to get the 1st seed for him to win. That's uncertain. I think people are sleeping on Lebron and I think they are neck & neck. I'd never place a wager on something I think is 50/50. The statement that defense doesn't matter is objectively wrong, too.

The Bucks media guys will vote for him. Over a dozen guys get a vote or two every year. That was not the point of this exercise.

A lot of what I'm saying getting taken WAY out of context.

To be very clear. I get one guy to start my NBA franchise with, I'm taking Giannis. Probably Towns 2nd. I'm voting on an MVP last year, or this year up to this moment, Harden both times. I just don't think the media will pick either baring something unforeseen. I base this not on some divine insight that I have. I'm basing it on the media's history of voting on this award.

[goblue6919]

https://i.imgur.com/Vul8TCu.png

Would be nice

[GeechQuest]

Clarity. I didn't say Doncic was the favorite. I said only that, after some thought, I was surprised at my own deduction that he has a shot at this.

Again, we aren't debating real fact. We are debating a media vote. I'd vote Harden assuming he again plays every night. I would have last year. I also knew he wouldn't win last year.

For those thinking MVP voting is grounded in reality, I invite you to review Steve Nash's seasons when he won. Know that he was a terrible defensive liability. Then compare him with defensive studs like Jason Kidd or Chauncey Billups neither of which got a single vote. Media by and large are captured by flash more than substance. Defense is all substance.

Those Nash seasons had the Suns as a 1 seed (best record in the league), and as a 2 seed. Nash also led the league in assists.

Luka's team will not be at the top of the Western Conference, nor will Luka lead the NBA in any single category.

He's good. All-NBA good. He's not MVP good yet.

[Willikn]

Those Nash seasons had the Suns as a 1 seed (best record in the league), and as a 2 seed. Nash also led the league in assists.

Luka's team will not be at the top of the Western Conference, nor will Luka lead the NBA in any single category.

He's good. All-NBA good. He's not MVP good yet.

I believe (without checking) that Billups was on a #1 seed as well. That example primarily to show, defense means nothing in the media's mind. Their offensive stats were pretty similar.

I agree that Doncic shouldn't be the MVP. I'm saying he may well be anyway.

[ninjacookies]

I believe (without checking) that Billups was on a #1 seed as well. That example primarily to show, defense means nothing in the media's mind. Their offensive stats were pretty similar.

I agree that Doncic shouldn't be the MVP. I'm saying he may well be anyway.

The 2 scenarios aren't remotely similar though.

Nash's best competition was an aged Shaq, who was playing second fiddle to Wade in Miami.


The field is far more competitive in 2019...like way more. So many different players putting up historical numbers in various facets. It absolutely is going to boil down to team success. I cannot see the award going to a team player outside of the top 2, because of how extraordinarily good the players on the top teams will be.

[Vdm2018]

it is amazing what a few years from today have been to us when I think about Luka:

Baseball MLB: 2017- Aaron judge and Cody Bellinger
Baseball MLB: 2018- Acuna, Soto, Shohei, Torres
Baseball MLB: 2019- Tatis, Vlad, Alonso

Football MLB: 2017- Patrick Mahomes
Football MLB: 2018- Lamar Jackson

Basketball NBA: 2018- Luka Doncic
Basketball NBA: 2019- Zion Williamson

I'm not sure what kind of era we are entering rite now, but certainly those players have brought new excitement to the game.

[Vdm2018]

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Would be nice

wow!! that's a nice low-risk, high reward bet haha.

[dks]

How great would it be for the NBA sport in general for them to pick Luka Doncic as the MVP. Assuming his stats are still as competitive and the Mavs are a top contender in their conference.

He is ushering in the next decade of young fans! I think the NBA following would grow or no?

I know nothing about how the MVP system works it would just be real exciting.


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[CC71]

you all know lebron will be the mvp

[Willikn]

The 2 scenarios aren't remotely similar though.

Nash's best competition was an aged Shaq, who was playing second fiddle to Wade in Miami.


The field is far more competitive in 2019...like way more. So many different players putting up historical numbers in various facets. It absolutely is going to boil down to team success. I cannot see the award going to a team player outside of the top 2, because of how extraordinarily good the players on the top teams will be.

Nash averaged 15 ppg and won an MVP, so yeah, there was a vacuum. The league also sought a choir boy to be its face in the aftermath of Ron Artest fighting with fans.

Not the point though. Reinsert the context. I was accused of the dumbest post for saying that defense isn't a media consideration. Nash was my exhibit A. Compare with Billups, a lock down defender, also on a #1 seed, with similar offense from the same position. Nash is the MVP. Billups not in the top 10.

Why? Nash was flashy and Billups wasn't. Nash also came from nowhere. Billlups just was who he had been.

Doncic will get bonus points for looking different. He will get some for being so vastly improved over last year. Giannis and Harden, they are simply being what they were last year. Yes, that's amazing. It is also boring to a group (media) with the attention span of a puppy.

Were I to bet on this outcome, no odds, I'd bet on LeBron despite him likely not being the most gifted player on his own team at this stage.

[Willikn]

How great would it be for the NBA sport in general for them to pick Luka Doncic as the MVP.

As good of a reason as any to say he is a legit contender.

[ninjacookies]

Nash averaged 15 ppg and won an MVP, so yeah, there was a vacuum. The league also sought a choir boy to be its face in the aftermath of Ron Artest fighting with fans.

Not the point though. Reinsert the context. I was accused of the dumbest post for saying that defense isn't a media consideration. Nash was my exhibit A. Compare with Billups, a lock down defender, also on a #1 seed, with similar offense from the same position. Nash is the MVP. Billups not in the top 10.

Why? Nash was flashy and Billups wasn't. Nash also came from nowhere. Billlups just was who he had been.

Doncic will get bonus points for looking different. He will get some for being so vastly improved over last year. Giannis and Harden, they are simply being what they were last year. Yes, that's amazing. It is also boring to a group (media) with the attention span of a puppy.

Were I to bet on this outcome, no odds, I'd bet on LeBron despite him likely not being the most gifted player on his own team at this stage.



I think you're perhaps overthinking things.


The Pistons didn't even have the best record in their conference, just their division. That prize went to the Heat (which is why a 32 year old Shaq was 2nd in voting).

The suns were the best team that year record wise (8 games better than the Pistons) with the most efficient offense in the league...lead by...you guessed it.


It's not even a close landscape if we're comparing 2019 and 2004. Luka's triple double won't hold water against Lebron's triple double if one ends up higher in the seedings. Both probably won't hold weight against Giannis if he continues dominating both sides of the ball and Bucks are top 2 in the east. Harden will inevitably flirt with 40ppg and Houston is aiming at a top 3 spot.

Yes, Luka is in the conversation right now and has a sliver of hope, but a lot of things have to go his way for it to happen because the field is filled with guys putting up historic numbers on top contending teams. We're totally leaving out dudes like Jokic as well. There's over 60 games left...the cream will continue rising to the top.

[Willikn]

I think you're perhaps overthinking things.

The Pistons didn't even have the best record in their conference, just their division. That prize went to the Heat (which is why a 32 year old Shaq was 2nd in voting).

The suns were the best team that year record wise (8 games better than the Pistons) with the most efficient offense in the league...lead by...you guessed it.


Dude I overthink many things. The gambler in me. I always try to take both sides of an argument and see which side wins.

Clearly you know the game so I have a question. In retrospect Nash has been labeled the reason for that team's success. Do you believe that he was the best player on that team? The other two studs fizzled long term but in that moment, who was the best player?

[ninjacookies]

Dude I overthink many things. The gambler in me. I always try to take both sides of an argument and see which side wins.

Clearly you know the game so I have a question. In retrospect Nash has been labeled the reason for that team's success. Do you believe that he was the best player on that team? The other two studs fizzled long term but in that moment, who was the best player?

We're all guilty of it, myself included. :cool:


Amare and Marion were beasts, but I believe most would agree that Nash was more vital to their offensive success; not vice versa. He operated the pick and roll probably better than anyone since Stockton. And while his ppg numbers may not have jumped off the page, he shot with extremely high efficiency; and IIRC, had many memorable clutch shots that year even well into the postseason.

I get what you're saying though. It was an odd year. But I feel like the voters felt inclined to give it to someone on the Suns because of how overwhelmingly good that team and offense were. D'antoni's run and gun offense changed the game...and it was only possible because of Nash. Hence why Mike also won COTY that season.

If Luka can somehow will that Mavs roster to a top 2 seed...then I think his MVP odds will be neck and neck with the best. I'm not sure I can see that happening though, at least not this year with the west as stacked as it is. Crazier things have happened, though.


Referencing Mahomes in football, he took the league MVP award with ease due to not only having video game passing numbers, but also leading the team to the top record in the AFC. Else there was a good chance it probably would have went to Brees.

[KhalDrogo]

He won't win this year. But he is top 5 for sure. Mavs don't have enough outside of Porzingis and Luka to stay in real contention in the WC. Last night was a great example.
I take this back. He absolutely has a real chance to win this year.

[bigjbasketball]

He is absolutely out of his mind tonight, this is so fun to watch. I’ll even give him a pass that this Warriors team only has 8 scrubs suited up.

[Dnic]

I take this back. He absolutely has a real chance to win this year.

No chance "they" said though :confused:

[IronMonkey415]

It's already in the book. He is the MVP.

[dgbarnes]

Lol Luka’s +41 tonight [emoji23]


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[BC81]

Yes he can. Especially if Mavs make playoffs. If they take a top 4 seed, a real possibility, in the West it further solidifies his case. This is especially impressive given he is a one-man team.

When Porzingis gets closer to full recovery they can surprise a lot of teams in playoffs


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[benz35]

ROY for sure

[BC81]

ROY for sure



All-NBA 4th team for sure as well


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[anusinha]

Dude is unreal, will probably sit most of the 4th with a triple double

[WhacksPacks]

35 minutes hit a triple double 2nd straight game.and he's obviously upset he's sitting....
this kid...is good


side note happy to see Brunson doing well also

[Jasondr91]

The NBA's global marketing plan would break down if Luka follows up Giannis winning MVP. Back to back foreign guys? I think Adam Silver might even make it happen, his Dracula looking ass.

What this kid is doing this year is insanity.

LUKSANITY!!!!!

#mamasignedforme

[bigjbasketball]

35 minutes hit a triple double 2nd straight game.and he's obviously upset he's sitting....
this kid...is good


side note happy to see Brunson doing well also

He actually only played 26 minutes and got a 35-point triple double. Fastest 35-point triple double in NBA history.

[Giannis34fan]

I take back everything I said earlier about Luka winning an MVP in 2-3 years...lol

He is on a different level right now! WOW!

[WillC]

I've put £10 on him winning MVP. I won money on him winning ROTY last year so I'm keeping the faith.

[mrdallas]

https://i.imgur.com/Vul8TCu.png

Would be nice

looking better each day

[Willikn]

Strange bet.

The correct play is make 50 $1 wagers. This allows for piecing off the position as the season progresses.

[KhalDrogo]

Bump.

[Dnic]

Nope still 0% he can win 😂😂😂😂

[RogerGodahell]

All the credit and whatever awards he wins is well deserved. He's been sensational. Surpassing my wildest dreams. I've never seen anyone play so well their second year.

[daeve]

He's the best 20-year-old ever, the sky is the limit. And the thing is it doesn't look unsustainable - like he's not shooting 70% or something, he's getting it in the flow of the game AND he's making his team so much better - AND it's translating to wins. He absolutely looks top 3 this year with LeBron and Giannis. If the Mavs can get the 3/4 seed he'll be right there in MVP talks. Before the season started, I would've said no way Mavs might be seeded that high, but the league has really shifted this year, it's crazy but it could happen.

[LC2nine10]

Strange bet.

The correct play is make 50 $1 wagers. This allows for piecing off the position as the season progresses.

This guy gets it.

[n1nesports]

He could be, he should be in the race but lots of people are looking at him through a "sophomore" lens. If he was in his 7th year doing all this, the respect would be even greater.

[ldsports]

if he can keep up this pace he absolutely has a chance

just remember....i got one right from the start

[rustywest]

When I first saw this thread, have to admit was in the camp that scoffed and thought, yeah no chance but after seeing how good he was @ Houston and also how good the Mavericks look he certainly is a chance. A top 5 player in his 2nd year?! I knew he was good but mind blown at how good he is.

[bigjbasketball]

I definitely thought he didn't have a chance because I never thought the Mavs would have this good of a record. It's still early, but they're off to a great start. And to think that 2 of their 5 losses are against the Knicks (Porzingis curse? lol), so honestly they should have an even better record.

[BC81]

I was in the camp thinking he wasn't athletic enough to be an elite player.

I was in the camp expecting a sophomore slump.

I was in the camp thinking he cannot make MVP this year.

I was finding excuses not to buy his super-high priced cards. Now I am paying for it with a big shock to my wallet.

His game against Houston was incredible, watching him take down a former MVP and a perennial playoff team. He definitely has a strong case for MVP this year.

[ballhawkdawk]

He's the best 20-year-old ever, the sky is the limit. And the thing is it doesn't look unsustainable - like he's not shooting 70% or something, he's getting it in the flow of the game AND he's making his team so much better - AND it's translating to wins. He absolutely looks top 3 this year with LeBron and Giannis. If the Mavs can get the 3/4 seed he'll be right there in MVP talks. Before the season started, I would've said no way Mavs might be seeded that high, but the league has really shifted this year, it's crazy but it could happen.

I agree with all of this. The kid is other worldly to be this good at such a young age. I still think Lebron or Giannis take MVP (sticking with Giannis), but Luka is as good as anybody so far.

[Bobbyplaza133]

As a Mavs fan, I couldn't be happier with our luck and fortune getting Luka, especially after the emotional retirement of the greatest Maverick of all time. Cuban learned his mistake when he left Nash go, I know he won't repeat it. If we can show Luka that we are firmly behind him and will draft/trade with championships in mind, I hope he stays. I just never thought we could have the possibility of replacing Dirk, especially so quickly.+

[rhigh2390]

I'm now in the Luka MVP camp.

[MyckKabongo]

I'll take back my "zero chance" assessment but I'll stand behind my reasoning. Even if he is statistically the most deserving, media will rally around someone else like Giannis or Lebron. He won't overcome the sentiment that he has a long career ahead and it isn't his turn yet.

[shakobe]

Overtook Lebron in the race for MVP today

[RogerGodahell]

It's an uphill battle but if he can get the Mavs in 3rd-4th place in the West by the end of the season, and keep his current stat line he's got a shot.

He will need Giannis to fall off a little as well. I've still got him in 1st place by quite a large margin.

The media loves a good story and Luka gives them that.

Of the 4 people that are in contention between LeBron, Harden, Giannis, and Luka, i would say Luka has the worst supporting cast.

The stats are impressive between all of them so that's pretty much a wash imo. It will come down to winning and how well they do as a team.

I would say though if you took Luka off the Mavs they would be a lottery team. They would be pretty much trash. I don't know if i can say the same thing about the other players and their respective teams.

[anusinha]

Its between Giannis and Luka right now, i still give giannis the edge

[KhalDrogo]

Its between Giannis and Luka right now, i still give giannis the edge
I agree.

1. Giannis
2. Luka
3. Harden
4. Lebron
5. Siakam

[Dnic]

Just to be considered in the top 5 for now is a insane accomplishment kid is only 20 years old :eek::eek:

[BC81]

I agree.



1. Giannis

2. Luka

3. Harden

4. Lebron

5. Siakam



Love seeing siakam in your list. He is quietly having a great season up here in the north


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[tazz1213]

Overtook Lebron in the race for MVP today

They had virtually the same stats today, including turnovers. 1-1 head to head. Nobody is locking up a MVP award 20 games into the season. May the leader of the best team, at the end of the regular season, get the award. Going to be a great season.

[codered]

Love seeing siakam in your list. He is quietly having a great season up here in the north


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Yeah he’s been playing fantastic. So happy he signed he’s extension this summer!! He probably won’t win MVP but to be talked about with all the other big names proves how far his game has come. He has a great chance at 2nd team all nba which would be a great accomplishment a year after he was MIP

[Celticsfan748]

He can but it’s prolly giannis again right now. Luka is gonna have to get the mavs to the top seed because I think Milwaukee is gonna get the 1 seed in the East.


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[mrchipz]

Getting a win on the best team in the nba on their homecourt def helped his cause.
its tough to say but right now i think its a toss up between him and giannis with harden at 3 for me.
regardless just to be in the top 3 running at 20 years old is something we will likely not see again with another player for a very long time

[KhalDrogo]

He can but it’s prolly giannis again right now. Luka is gonna have to get the mavs to the top seed because I think Milwaukee is gonna get the 1 seed in the East.


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There's no rule that says you have to be on the top seed to be the MVP. If Luka averages close to 30/10/10 and has the Mavs in a top 4 seed in the West, he's going to win MVP. Bucks are supposed to win the East. Highest I saw anyone have the Mavs preseason was 8th.

Long way to go, but he's positioning himself well.

[RogerGodahell]

After tonight. Giannis and Bucks with a dominant win over the Clippers, and Mavs move into second place in the West.

1. Giannis

2. Luka

3. LeBron

4. Harden