ALERT: PWCC Selling Trimmed BGS 9.5 97-98 Finest Kobe Gold Embossed Refractor #62/74

[3124508 on COMC]

PWCC has this card up for auction now. It ends in 9 days and as of posting, bidding is at $3,150. Card was graded on July 9, 2012, so I doubt this is being sold for the first time, however I can't find any previous sales of this card. Trimmed right and bottom edges. Buyer beware.


https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/kobe-bryant-97-98-topps-finest-294319760
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2121002

https://i.imgur.com/EGHiqsn.jpg

[Ken735i]

Wow

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[bedler]

As always good catch brother!!

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[Ken735i]

Will they respond to my inquiry about this item?

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[SPauthentic84]

Any guesses why this is still going on?

[Vladdy Jr]

The opportunities are endless when you can afford to hire Jeff Litchman, El Chapo’s lawyer. Lawyer for the warlord/drug lord responsible for murdering and torturing hundreds of thousands of people. That’s what you’re supporting when you purchase or consign with PWCC. Not to mention ruining the hobby our KIDS and I love!!

[mindcycle]

Sad this was done to such a classic card..:doh:

Great catch OP!

[ThoseBackPages]

Any guesses why this is still going on?

money

[Asian62150]

Bad people keep doing bad people things when there are no real consequences for them.

Good catch OP. Thanks again!

[AbraCalabro]

Any guesses why this is still going on?

Too many people like this:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49038746291_8deb8c0644_o.jpg

[duron]

Another classic, ruined.

Too many people like this:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49038746291_8deb8c0644_o.jpg

Guy is really one of the worst.

[KhalDrogo]

Too many people like this:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49038746291_8deb8c0644_o.jpg
:cry:

[3124508 on COMC]

Up to $4,700 now.

[Ken735i]

I just bid 5700.. I mean I know a guy

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[ThoseBackPages]

:cry:

[Ken735i]

High bidder limit is $6000

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[WallyatJCCards]

I'm 75% sure I owned that at one point - many moons ago. So sad that all of these cards are being messed with...

[SHowley2003]

These (insert in appropriate word here) are going to crash the fake market that is this hobby. I feel bad for the ignorant, but well intentioned, people who have been force fed the kool-aid about the hobby being an investment opportunity.

[hairyangryfella]

Too many people like this:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49038746291_8deb8c0644_o.jpg

That guy is such a piece of... work.
Always right up the ass of BNC too. But always tried to play as if neutral. Scum.

[vamz]

The guy from PWCC constantly tries to draw analogies from the art world or coin collecting world and says that the card hobby needs to "mature" to match these markets.

Those analogies seem to work when it suits his narrative, ie "restoring cards".

Yet, if we're going to continue with his analogy, do Sotheby's or other large auction houses willingly sell counterfeit or items that are found to be diff to how they're being advertised? I'd have thought that these famous auction houses do all in their power to ensure that they are selling the item as advertised and would not want to tarnish their rep by not doing so.

I do feel for PWCC in some respects, they arent the ones altering these cards, but I do question if they are doing all that they can to ensure they're not selling fakes/altered cards etc.

[3124508 on COMC]

The guy from PWCC constantly tries to draw analogies from the art world or coin collecting world and says that the card hobby needs to "mature" to match these markets.

Those analogies seem to work when it suits his narrative, ie "restoring cards".

Yet, if we're going to continue with his analogy, do Sotheby's or other large auction houses willingly sell counterfeit or items that are found to be diff to how they're being advertised? I'd have thought that these famous auction houses do all in their power to ensure that they are selling the item as advertised and would not want to tarnish their rep by not doing so.

I do feel for PWCC in some respects, they arent the ones altering these cards, but I do question if they are doing all that they can to ensure they're not selling fakes/altered cards etc.

To your last point, they're still running through tons of recently-graded altered cards, but they're mostly untraceable and lower dollar.

[vamz]

I mean, can’t they just hire someone like yourself to do this investigative work prior to listing?

[3124508 on COMC]

I mean, can’t they just hire someone like yourself to do this investigative work prior to listing?

I suspect some of the subs of recently graded trimmed/altered cards are bankrolling restitution funds, so I’m not sure how much work actually needs to be done on that end.

That would be useful for something like the card in the OP, however.

[vamz]

Yeh, I don’t pretend to think that they’ll be able to intercept every altered card. But, are they doing what reasonably can be expected to at least try and do what they can, particularly in the high end cards?

[vamz]

Like I’m not even kidding, why wouldn’t they reach out to you or someone with your card detective skill set and bring you on in some capacity? Maybe they have for all I know.

[3124508 on COMC]

Yeh, I don’t pretend to think that they’ll be able to intercept every altered card. But, are they doing what reasonably can be expected to at least try and do what they can, particularly in the high end cards?

They are still reselling true Moser cards and then are also selling cards for the first time in whitman111 subs that contain altered cards as of this month. I assume those are PWCC-owned though. They were selling Will Jaimet cards through September when I finally put an end to that. I don’t think he ever stopped sending cards until then. They also proceeded with selling OCSI cards in September after I started that call-out thread on 8/25. My guess is that there are trimmed OCSI cards for sale this month. I can prove they are reselling OCSI cards, but I think there’s more to it.

[SPauthentic84]

I wonder at this point if he is running more trimmed cards than not

[3124508 on COMC]

I wonder at this point if he is running more trimmed cards than not

If there was a starting point for that, and there probably is, it started a long time ago. Like 2016 or so.

[auburn35]

Just sad, seeing a great card being ruined.
Kobe turning green in anger, of being trimmed.

[SPauthentic84]

I wonder why he is still running so many trimmed cards still. Its a bit disheartening knowing the fbi is envolved

[ThoseBackPages]

I wonder why he is still running so many trimmed cards still. Its a bit disheartening knowing the fbi is envolved

money

[SPauthentic84]

money

I mean...I dont think the fbi is supposed to care about that.

[mindcycle]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49044896967_c42459f624_z.jpg

[ThoseBackPages]

:cry:

[regularp]

It's down.

[3124508 on COMC]

It's down.

Perfect. Now they can take down a hockey card and a couple Goff contenders gems too.

[SPauthentic84]

Perfect. Now they can take down a hockey card and a couple Goff contenders gems too.

Thanks for your work.

Do you feel like you are chasing a unicorn somedays? lol

[n1nesports]

Wouldn't part of the blame be on BGS for not spotting the trim and grading it?
I think it gives people confidence that the card is unaltered.

The quality of the first pic is pretty bad, the only thing that stood out to me was the blotch on the bottom left corner appearing smaller (trimmed) in the graded one.

[WhiteSoxJosh]

I don't know how anybody can bid with PWCC at this point.

And someone took a swipe at Licthman. He's an attorney, he represents individuals charged with crimes, doesn't mean he endorses the actions.
And he had to go to trial. It is mandatory life anyway. not like El Chapo is gonna agree to that.

back to my main point, screw PWCC

[3124508 on COMC]

I don't know how anybody can bid with PWCC at this point.

And someone took a swipe at Licthman. He's an attorney, he represents individuals charged with crimes, doesn't mean he endorses the actions.
And he had to go to trial. It is mandatory life anyway. not like El Chapo is gonna agree to that.

back to my main point, screw PWCC

Go check out his posts from his account here: TheRealDeal

[ThoseBackPages]

I don't know how anybody can bid with PWCC at this point.


people smoke everyday, even though it leads to cancer.

people are not so smart

[3124508 on COMC]

Go check out his posts from his account here: TheRealDeal

Never mind. Just see below.

Disgusting. He must really think he’s bulletproof.

Nope. Brent is too busy having his number 1 whore Leon posting love notes to PWCC instead:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=268897

Leon has kicked off Net 54 nearly every critic of any of his advertisers. He has no job and as a twice convicted drug dealer won’t be getting one anytime soon, making him a slave to advertiser money. So now the board is a wasteland of $40 card buyers with very little uncensored mention of fraud. All of the people who uncover fraud are here now. The guy who discovered the fake signed T206 scam? Banned by Leon. He has admitted that Brent is his biggest advertiser and Brent is paying Leon to keep things under control. So Blowout is really the only place on the internet where fraud can be exposed and discussed. We’re lucky we have this forum.

I can’t think of ever hearing a bad word about Novella. I’ve also never heard a good word about Brent other than from those who are paid to do so.

Yes that’s fair although I don’t think he will provide a list of all consignments. Of course PWCC will do nothing other than staying one step ahead of the posse.

Really? He just banned a ten year member and erased his post in which he brought up PWCC’s massive fraud. You’re dreaming if you think Leon has not done all he can to stop any criticism of PWCC.

He is banning people like crazy in an effort to kill any criticism of PWCC. Brent must be torturing him today and threatening to cut off his monthly hush payment. Leon may have to get a job or start dealing drugs again if he loses that money.

Ten years on Net 54 and he’s banned because he mentioned that PWCC is engaging in fraud. Leon is an idiot. He bans people and they all come back with new names and he’s too dumb and lazy to figure it out. Considering he got fired from his last job years ago you’d think he’d have more time on his hands. But committing fraud and covering up fraud is a full time job.

All you did was note that PWCC is involved in fraud. Funny, the self-proclaimed biggest fraud fighter in the hobby is stopping as much discussion about PWCC fraud as possible. He’s already banned nearly every member who brings up any fraud of his advertisers. You were easy because you’re not a well-known member and he figured no one would notice. He even threatened the guy who posted after you because he quoted your fraud comments. Leon then went in himself and deleted the quote from the guy’s post and forced the guy to delete his comment that PWCC is an advertiser.

Clearly Brent is screaming at him to stop the discussions as Leon seems to be unraveling. You’d think he wouldn’t be such a wuss considering he’s been in jail for drug dealing. I guess that made him even softer than he is: no job, knee-deep in his own shill bidding as we saw on Blowout and fraud with his friends and now covering up for Brent. Disgusting.

Yes but look at the bright side. Luckey isn’t selling coke anymore. I mean that we know of.

You're a convicted drug dealer. In America that also means criminal.

And the garbage you posted above doesn't explain why Jim's bad phone number caused you to delete the comment that PWCC is a Net 54 advertiser from the next guy who posted. Who apparently is a member in good standing. But according to you if you're a member in good standing you can "say whatever you want." Liar.

The only people you checked up on yesterday for "registration issues" are two guys who ripped PWCC and your taking ad money from PWCC. But Brent didn't call you at all, no way no how.

Here's Leon admitting to shill bidding. Life comes at you fast when you're a dishonest, unemployed, convicted drug dealer who lies all day. Oh and the best one was when he sold his collection and had Heritage claim it was for "philanthropic reasons." Like paying his bills. Scumbags gotta scumbag.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1277651

There are dozens of similar marks on each card. It's the same card.

Yes, and it was for speaking ill of one of Leon's advertisers that you got the boot. How dare you point out fraud by one of his meal tickets? You can't expect him to get a job, can you? Yeap.

Jim's name was by his post the entire time. He was banned for being the 198th person that day to criticize PWCC's fraud.

With an unemployed hillbilly drug dealer.

This is true. PSA is incompetent and negligent until proof can be shown otherwise. They provide a sheen of authority with their slabs but clearly are clueless in how to spot altered cards. The targets here are Gary Moser and Brent Huigens. If they were smart, one of them would contact an attorney and offer up the other one. They're not so I suspect their cooperation won't come until they're sure they're about to be arrested.

Brent is obviously an idiot (hi Brent) but at some point you'd figure he'd hire a competent attorney who will tell him to shut up.

From coke dealer Leon on Net 54, who apparently is now Brent's mouthpiece (but he has no conflict of interest):

"There was no need to try to redefine what the hobby already accepts and doesn't accept, concerning alterations, and I told Brent that. He should also, immediately, distance himself from any known card doctors or trimmers (really from day one but it seems that ship has sailed). It is a shame too because I still feel PWCC is doing some great stuff that will help the hobby mature.

People have also taken a lot of things out of context. Brent feels trimming is bad. He feels flattening a card and trimming it is bad. He feels using a solvent is better than water as water can be more damaging, he states. I told him that the hobby has tacitly accepted water but nothing else."

How does this guy not get struck by a bolt of lightening for lying so easily?

Hey dummy: Brent is in bed with Moser and has been for years. And he knows full well that he's sold trimmed and altered cards.

Oh and Leon telling Brent to distance himself from criminals in the hobby is a hoot -- that's all who Leon surrounds himself with.

Still can't get over this whopper of a lie from Coke Dealer Leon (hi dummy):

"It is a shame too because I still feel PWCC is doing some great stuff that will help the hobby mature."

Yes so much great stuff.

Brent trying to change federal statute of limitations rules by his new post on Net 54:

We at PWCC will not tolerate our brand’s use as a front for bad behavior. That day is over. Today is a new day, based on facts and enforceable policies for which we expect the entire market to hold us accountable.

Prior sale research by dedicated hobbyists in the marketplace using our Auction Sales History, Worth Point, and other resources has given rise to a new level of oversight. We now have the grounds to take a public stance without concern that altered assets will simply flow to another venue for sale.

The grading companies need the help and patience of the market as we collectively aid growth and refine procedures and oversight. We feel they do a tremendous job handling a very difficult and demanding task and our market benefits greatly from their service. The grading companies are owed more from those of us who sell their products, and we must collectively take action to protect the market.

PWCC will officially cease working with any individual who has a proven track record of consistently hurting trust in the marketplace, the brand of PWCC, or the reputations of the grading companies upon which our market is based. We will collaborate with the grading companies to ensure bad actors are flagged, uniformly known, and that all is done to prevent them from affecting our market. PWCC will not work with any individuals whom the grading companies have banned, regardless of their individual track record with PWCC.

We are proud to announce the PWCC Marketplace Tenets which describe the basis that PWCC will operate moving forward. It also includes the PWCC Marketplace Guarantee, which asserts that any professionally-graded item previously sold by PWCC and later proven altered will be eligible for a full refund of the original purchase price. Any items flagged for alteration in current possession of PWCC will be removed from the marketplace. In both cases, PWCC will work with both our submitters, buyers and the grading companies to review the item, and if confirmed to be altered, remove those items from circulation and ensure our customers receive the proper support throughout the process.

There will always be individuals looking to take advantage of any market. We at PWCC are now in a position to do something proactive and protect our brand and the larger marketplace.

We welcome feedback. Please email me at betsy@pwccmarketplace.com anytime.

Even though PSA is fully aware that Brent is working with Gary Moser to defraud PSA (and many others). Nice hobby.

Brent, you're not grateful at all. You were caught and now you're shitting your pants. Probably time to hire a criminal attorney and stop trying to fix this yourself, because you're not as smart as you are dishonest.

These are common criminals and you expect them not to act as such? They have come on this thread and lied their asses off. And people are shocked that they’re destroying evidence? This is what criminals do.

Did you hear the sound of uncontrollable diarrhea in the background?

Anyone who thinks Brent (hi Brent) isn’t sincere in doing neat things for the hobby is an idiot. Yeap.

Here's what Leon at Net 54 has to say about Blowout and the work being done here:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpost.php?p=1879774&postcount=93

"A lot of what is posted over there is fact BUT a lot of it is conjecture too. With absolutely no accountability they can say anything at all, lies and falsehoods included, and not worry about any repercussions. Again, some of them do great stuff and are factual....and some of them are trolls and criminals just lying out of their pie holes. I think that is the reason some things don't get traction, because they are fallacies from anonymous idiots."

Keeping in mind that he's a shill bidder and a convicted criminal himself.

For the Net 54 guys here, what would Brent or any advertiser have to do for Leon Luckey to not accept their money? Obviously dealing drugs isn’t an issue as Leon has been to jail twice for that. But what type of fraud is too much? And obviously not shill bidding or selling stolen cards as Leon has done all of that too.

How is Moser packaging the altered cards in submissions? Burying them amongst legitimate cards or sending them in by themselves or with just an additional card or two?

Where is that idiot Brady Hill? Is he on BO telling us all what a visionary Brent is?

Look, we saw this with Mastro and we're seeing it again with Brent. People are either paid by Brent directly (Leon) to defend him even though it's obvious fraud is occurring. Not just defend him but actively try to stop people from talking about the fraud as we've seen with Leon and that idiot Martin on Net 54. While I don't know if Martin is paid directly like Leon is, there also is that other idiot Jesse who will go to his grave claiming Brent is clean probably due to making money off consignments to Brent which have done "well." No sane person will defend Brent unless there is money to be made for doing it. Why do you think Leon wrote a letter in support of Mastro for his sentencing?

If Bobby has been bought by Brent in order to hinder the investigation, he needs to be shunned. There is other pricing software out there and people need to let him know this will cost him.

Meanwhile over on Net 54, a newbie is unaware that Leon bans people who dare bring up his receiving lots of money from Brent to censor talk about Brent's crimes. Suddenly, Leon, who has not been heard of about Brent in weeks, swoops in:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpost.php?p=1881916&postcount=168

Well, since the only people whose bona fides are checked are the ones who note Leon’s hypocrisy and Brent’s crimes, you may be right.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpost.php?p=1881926&postcount=170

This is a PSA problem more than PWCC. Brent is one dealer. PSA is allowing the most obviously altered cards, tens of millions of dollars worth, to flow into the market. If their guarantee is honored completely on all of these cards, CLCT will cease to exist. Which means they won’t honor it.

As we know a handful of major card doctors. Putting them out of business or in jail won’t end card doctoring unfortunately. PSA making less like Stevie Wonder when grading cards will help.

RICO? Like what the Feds use for the mafia? A regular fraud indictment isn’t enough?

And the doctors will surely find another outlet when PWCC stops.

Same with a federal wire fraud conspiracy.

Are you a lawyer? Why don’t you sue someone!

If only we had a damn class actions lawyer! My Uncle Tom was one. Wish he was
around now.

Damn. I done Stepin in it now.

I like this!

You can see how fraud runs so rampant in this hobby if you just open your eyes. It's an unregulated industry and criminals who have been barred from regulated industries or who otherwise can't figure out a way to commit crime without getting caught will flock to us here. They consider this to be the Wild West. Look at how many criminals have prominent roles: JP Cohen, owner of Memory Lane was in jail for fraud and he ended up here. Ken Goldin was convicted of fraud, and he owns an auction house too. Leon Luckey
runs Net 54 and had an auction house: convicted of dealing coke twice, was in jail twice. And he ends up in the hobby where he's still trying to sell stolen cards or shilling his own auctions, when he's not selling his collection and falsely claiming he was doing it for "philanthropic purposes" which really means to pay his bills because he got fired from a job. Where else but this hobby can scumbags like this go and get away with what they get away with?

And this doesn't include all the others who have been convicted of crimes for their actions in the hobby: John Rogers, the Mastro guys, etc.

You have to assume every high grade card is altered and every auction is shilled. And act accordingly.

[vamz]

I don't know how anybody can bid with PWCC at this point.



If anything it's still safer to bid with them a theyre more public and people are scrutinising their sales.

Would this have been picked up if it was some random person selling on ebay?

[ThoseBackPages]

If anything it's still safer to bid with them a theyre more public and people are scrutinising their sales.

Would this have been picked up if it was some random person selling on ebay?

safer how?

[SPauthentic84]

If anything it's still safer to bid with them a theyre more public and people are scrutinising their sales.

Would this have been picked up if it was some random person selling on ebay?

maybe thats why there are so many relists

[corndog]

If anything it's still safer to bid with them a theyre more public and people are scrutinising their sales.

Would this have been picked up if it was some random person selling on ebay?

Yes, continue to give money to the most corrupt people the sports card world has ever known - Brent and Betsy Huigens and PWCC.

People will always find justification in dancing with the devil.

[Gem10collection]

Is there a database, or an excel file, or a google doc somewhere with all the altered cards documented?

If not, should the community give some $$ to anyone who is willing to put together such a service? I know 100% I would be willing to contribute $$$

[WhiteSoxJosh]

If anything it's still safer to bid with them a theyre more public and people are scrutinising their sales.

Would this have been picked up if it was some random person selling on ebay?

Great point. most likely not.

and wow. just got done reading the Real Deal. whoa nellie.

[Deadshot]

Is there a database, or an excel file, or a google doc somewhere with all the altered cards documented?

If not, should the community give some $$ to anyone who is willing to put together such a service? I know 100% I would be willing to contribute $$$

This is nowhere near complete but I'm doing the best I can. If you find any that I've overlooked, please post in the following thread so I can update

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1266012

[AbraCalabro]

Another classic, ruined.



Guy is really one of the worst.

:cry:

That guy is such a piece of... work.
Always right up the ass of BNC too. But always tried to play as if neutral. Scum.

As leader of the BO mob and high priest of the Nickel Card Cult, these responses please me. He trashed BNC until someone told him to shut his mouth on the matter and do a complete 180.

Regarding these cards, now we have to worry about discoloration and trimming! Not that I care, because despite it being trimmed, it's still going to sell for thousands, somewhere. Looking forward to buying more altered stuff. Can't keep me away from the hobby!

[Gem10collection]

Did I see this correctly? Did PWCC remove this card from their auctions?

[3124508 on COMC]

Did I see this correctly? Did PWCC remove this card from their auctions?

Yes..

[Gem10collection]

Yes..
Thanks 312!!!

Sounds like the hobby is sloooowly heading in the right direction.

[mindcycle]

Thanks 312!!!

Sounds like the hobby is sloooowly heading in the right direction.

Until the next set of trimmed card show up for auction on PWCC and are outed. It’s a vicious cycle.

[Deadshot]

The real question is what happens to the card now. But progress is progress.

[3124508 on COMC]

Until the next set of trimmed card show up for auction on PWCC and are outed. It’s a vicious cycle.

Or Probstein every day of the year....

[Waxingeloquence]

PWCC has this card up for auction now. It ends in 9 days and as of posting, bidding is at $3,150. Card was graded on July 9, 2012, so I doubt this is being sold for the first time, however I can't find any previous sales of this card. Trimmed right and bottom edges. Buyer beware.


https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/kobe-bryant-97-98-topps-finest-294319760
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2121002

https://i.imgur.com/EGHiqsn.jpg


Sorry for bumping an Old thread, But I just joined and came across this post while going through old threads. This is 99% my old card, I don't know if anyone really cares at this point but i can fill in some back story on it, if anyone else is familiar with this specific card LMK if i'm wrong on anything.

I got this card off eBay sometime in 2004, It was graded BGS 9. I used to post on the HK forums. I posted about this card at some point (2005) and a couple months later another Kobe collector offered to trade me for my BGS 9 Kobe gold Embossed refractor #62/74. He was offering me the same exact card just graded a PSA 9 and #24/74. This was right around the time kobe had switched over to #24, i asked him why would he do that trade as I feel Im winning, he said he preferred BGS to PSA so I didn't question any further. We did the trade, I have always wondered what happened to that Kobe.

Long story short My old card ends up being Re-graded a 9.5 at some point and is trimmed as stated in this thread. I have no idea if it was already trimmed when slabbed a BGS 9 when i had it but i really doubt it. This was also the best trade I've ever made, haha. I have pics of the #24/74 I can post if requested, I don't have pics of the BGS 9 #62/74 it was a really really long time ago. If i search through some old hard drives i might be able to grab some pics of the BGS 9 i'm claiming turned into this card.

[auburn35]

Sorry for bumping an Old thread, But I just joined and came across this post while going through old threads. This is 99% my old card, I don't know if anyone really cares at this point but i can fill in some back story on it, if anyone else is familiar with this specific card LMK if i'm wrong on anything.

I got this card off eBay sometime in 2004, It was graded BGS 9. I used to post on the HK forums. I posted about this card at some point (2005) and a couple months later another Kobe collector offered to trade me for my BGS 9 Kobe gold Embossed refractor #62/74. He was offering me the same exact card just graded a PSA 9 and #24/74. This was right around the time kobe had switched over to #24, i asked him why would he do that trade as I feel Im winning, he said he preferred BGS to PSA so I didn't question any further. We did the trade, I have always wondered what happened to that Kobe.

Long story short My old card ends up being Re-graded a 9.5 at some point and is trimmed as stated in this thread. I have no idea if it was already trimmed when slabbed a BGS 9 when i had it but i really doubt it. This was also the best trade I've ever made, haha. I have pics of the #24/74 I can post if requested, I don't have pics of the BGS 9 #62/74 it was a really really long time ago. If i search through some old hard drives i might be able to grab some pics of the BGS 9 i'm claiming turned into this card.

Welcome to the forum and thanks for sharing your story.

Seeing the ungraded (unaltered) card in the OP sold in 2012 and your ownership ended in 2005~, it doesn't appear you or your trade partner owned the card when it was trimmed.

[poudy]

It has surfaced again at Lelands auction
https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=103326

[3124508 on COMC]

It has surfaced again at Lelands auction
https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=103326

Thanks. I have sent an email to Lelands.

[3124508 on COMC]

Looks like this has been withdrawn from Lelands.