Patriots under investigation for filming Bengals sideline

[Boo]

Discuss:coffee::coffee:

[glen87]

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[SirTommyWinAlot]

NFL needs to focus on their ref problem.

Having said that, once brady retires i'm done with the NFL. Goodell's NFL is gross.

[majestik101]

Patriots? Cheating? I'm shocked.

[Ray27Ray52]

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[patchgenie]

brady could beat the bengals blindfolded. it seems bogus.

[LCM1223]

Why would the Patriots need to cheat against the 1-win Bengals

[majestik101]

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[Ray27Ray52]

“Patriots’ advance scout was not filming but being filmed, per a league source. He was being filmed for a feature the team produced called, ‘Do Your Job.’ The video crew was credentialed by the Browns to shoot video in the press box and their PR person was aware, per the source.”

[majestik101]

“Patriots’ advance scout was not filming but being filmed, per a league source. He was being filmed for a feature the team produced called, ‘Do Your Job.’ The video crew was credentialed by the Browns to shoot video in the press box and their PR person was aware, per the source.”

So it's not the Bengals? It's the Browns? Which crap team is it?

[Boo]

So it's not the Bengals? It's the Browns? Which crap team is it?

No, the Browns said it was fine. The Bengals, who the Pats happen to play this week, did not know or ok it.

[Ray27Ray52]

So it's not the Bengals? It's the Browns? Which crap team is it?

This supposedly happened during the Browns-Bengals game. Why the Patriots had a rep there filming a "Do your Job" segment I have no idea.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Nothing to see here. The focus should be on the NFL's poor refereeing.

[88horsepower]

brady could beat the bengals blindfolded. it seems bogus.

While I don’t think there’s likely anything to this accusation, if you’ve watched Brady and the Pats offense lately, they haven’t had an easy time beating people with their eyes open. That offense is a disaster.

[Boo]

This supposedly happened during the Browns-Bengals game. Why the Patriots had a rep there filming a "Do your Job" segment I have no idea.

Patriots' employees filming an advance scout doing his/her job. Wonder what an advance scout does?:coffee::coffee:

[mc1]

NFL needs to focus on their ref problem.

Having said that, once brady retires i'm done with the NFL. Goodell's NFL is gross.

Doesnt feel good getting jobbed huh?

Tuck rule gave you a super bowl. You should never complain about the refs ever.

[JeremyNick]

Lolz - “But the refs...”

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Doesnt feel good getting jobbed huh?

Tuck rule gave you a super bowl. You should never complain about the refs ever.

People make mistakes. That's totally understandable. HOWEVER, the gents that are rolled out there by the league today make mistakes over and over and over. That's totally different.

[majestik101]

Funny I see the tuck rule called over and over and over and over again. And that was a mistake.

[Onepocketj]

Times have changed. My high school team always went and spied on the practices of the teams we were playing.

[jasonm2121]

NFL needs to focus on their ref problem.

Having said that, once brady retires i'm done with the NFL. Goodell's NFL is gross.

This. Can’t wait for Brady to hang them up so I can as well. League is a joke all around.

[hairysasquatch]

Pats fans: our team is the greatest in the league!

Also Pats fans: the whole league is a joke!

Did I get that right??

[Siberian13]

Pats fans: our team is the greatest in the league!

Also Pats fans: the whole league is a joke!

Did I get that right??

You forgot 28-3 :)

[cking]

There is no better way to start a thread............a thread that I am sure will turn into at least 20 pages then with these words

Patriots under investigation

That is as good as it gets for us Blowout members

Now lets get to it.

What have the Deflatriots and Belicheat been accused of now?

[boston12]

Fake news

[JeremyNick]

There is no better way to start a thread............a thread that I am sure will turn into at least 20 pages then with these words

Patriots under investigation

That is as good as it gets for us Blowout members

Now lets get to it.

What have the Deflatriots and Belicheat been accused of now?

I’m gonna go with ToneDeafGate.
Only a tone deaf organization, with a tone deaf owner and tone deaf ultra coach/GM with a history of illegally taping teams, would send a representative of their organization into another teams facility to videotape said representative while a game is going on against a team they will be playing the following week.
Fans may say it’s simply so absurd it can’t be true. I say they are the NFLs versions of the wet bandits.

[Siberian13]

I assume this is how Patriots fans feel about the crying in this thread?

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[hostilecarrot]

Gotta love seeing the Pats fans come out of the woodworks to save their lord and savior Robert Kraft.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Our Lord and Savior is The One Tom Brady.

Bob Kraft is just a jester not unlike Roger Goodell.

[jasonm2121]

This all sounds like the fat girl saying you hit on her because you waved hello.

[Fenway55]

Doesnt feel good getting jobbed huh?

Tuck rule gave you a super bowl. You should never complain about the refs ever.
That was the right call according to the league rules in place at the time. It had been called many times before.

Sorry not sorry.

[Bassplayah101]

Doesnt feel good getting jobbed huh?



Tuck rule gave you a super bowl. You should never complain about the refs ever.
Found the guy that never looked up the rules at the time.

I am happy to see that the salt still flows all these years later.





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[Bassplayah101]

I assume this is how Patriots fans feel about the crying in this thread?



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[ALBASKETBALL]

Old habits die hard

[ucLAkers]

In other news...Bengals still suck!
Updated news...6-10 Cowboys win SB!!

[cinnakaok]

Some of the wording in the statement they put out is comical.i mean unintended oversight that You asked the browns for credentials but forgot to inform the league and the team we play next week that we would have a film crew there

They also admit that the film crew broke nfl policy but it was a mistake.

At least as a whole the statement basically admits they did something wrong

[rman112]

Chiefs equipment ends up in Newark. Now this. Either the Patriots are the most amazingly lucky franchise in the universe, or they cheat.

[RedSoxFan28]

Some of the wording in the statement they put out is comical.i mean unintended oversight that You asked the browns for credentials but forgot to inform the league and the team we play next week that we would have a film crew there

They also admit that the film crew broke nfl policy but it was a mistake.

At least as a whole the statement basically admits they did something wrong

I agree with you about their statement , thought it was trash.

but I dont see any reason or gain for BB/ the actual team by recording the Bengals sideline. If there isn't any benefit, why do it?

@geoffschwartz
Again, I’m not sure what the Patriots were to gain from video taping the Bengals unless they have audio of them talking about individual plays as they make adjustments on the sidelines. There are no signals anymore.

@ZachSDunn
This was my whole response to this.... In the NFL, only hand signals you can get stuff from is the QB or DB’s during checks. You can get those on the coaches film. NFL isn’t college where plays are signaled in.

[ohio_mba]

You all better just start dumping your Brady cards to me at a deeply discounted rate. Once him and Belichick retire the real truth will come out. They will have to forfeit all of their rings, Belichick and Brady both will be banned from the Hall of Fame, Gisele will seek out a divorce, etc. His cards will be worth nothing.

[cinnakaok]

I agree with you about their statement , thought it was trash.

but I dont see any reason or gain for BB/ the actual team by recording the Bengals sideline. If there isn't any benefit, why do it?

@geoffschwartz
Again, I’m not sure what the Patriots were to gain from video taping the Bengals unless they have audio of them talking about individual plays as they make adjustments on the sidelines. There are no signals anymore.

@ZachSDunn
This was my whole response to this.... In the NFL, only hand signals you can get stuff from is the QB or DB’s during checks. You can get those on the coaches film. NFL isn’t college where plays are signaled in.

I agree with you also I really don’t think they had any intention of any wrong doing. Which is why I think there statement makes it look worse then it really is

[ThePatriotWay]

Gotta love how every single year it's something else.

*Patriots colluded to get AB!*
*Patriots filmed a 1-12 team!*

Get them!!!

etc.

Nobody cares though, when a Bills guy runs to read a play sheet.

Nobody cares though, when fake stories goes viral to get AB off the team.

Nobody cares though, when a fan shines a lazer in Brady's eyes during the AFC championship game.

etc.

[cking]

Have your fun now Patriot fans.

You are going to get waxed in the playoffs this year by KC or Baltimore.

Make no mistake about it. And hopefully it is going to happen in Gillette Stadium like it did in game 7 at home for the Bruins in the Stanley Cup Finals.

Get all your smack talking in now, because its all over. Done. Finally.

[Archangel1775]

Have your fun now Patriot fans.

You are going to get waxed in the playoffs this year by KC or Baltimore.

Make no mistake about it. And hopefully it is going to happen in Gillette Stadium like it did in game 7 at home for the Bruins in the Stanley Cup Finals.

Get all your smack talking in now, because its all over. Done. Finally.
I'm not a Pats fan but someone says this every damn year......the road still goes through them

[ThePatriotWay]

I'm not a Pats fan but someone says this every damn year......the road still goes through them

Not only this, but people really think they they will automatically go back to losing seasons after Brady.

As long as Belichick is there, winning seasons will remain.

Even if Belichick leaves, I doubt there will be much trouble. Josh McDaniels could just take over and continue to lead the division.

[88horsepower]

Not only this, but people really think they they will automatically go back to losing seasons after Brady.

As long as Belichick is there, winning seasons will remain.

Even if Belichick leaves, I doubt there will be much trouble. Josh McDaniels could just take over and continue to lead the division.

Your faith in Josh McDaniels is something you might reconsider. And I wouldn’t be so sure the division will always be a cakewalk.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Have your fun now Patriot fans.

You are going to get waxed in the playoffs this year by KC or Baltimore.

Make no mistake about it. And hopefully it is going to happen in Gillette Stadium like it did in game 7 at home for the Bruins in the Stanley Cup Finals.

Get all your smack talking in now, because its all over. Done. Finally.

There's an aging cowboy with the brim of his hat low over his forehead, masking the pierced look in his eyes. He's down for one last hurrah in the form of killing off all the bad guys causing havoc in his town, then riding off into the sunset on his beloved horse never to be heard or seen again.

It's going to be better than any classic western ever made.

[RedSoxFan28]

Your faith in Josh McDaniels is something you might reconsider. And I wouldn’t be so sure the division will always be a cakewalk.

I hope McDaniels leaves

[cking]

I'm not a Pats fan but someone says this every damn year......the road still goes through them

I understand that. In the past I knew the Pats would be right there in the end. I did not like it but I was well aware of it.

I honestly am not trying to break the chops of any Patriots fans. My two observations watching them this year is why I think the run may be coming to an end soon.

#1-It has to end at some point. It cant go on forever.

#2-This one is much more relevant, football wise, then #1 is. I have been watching football a long time. Yes, I have been wrong many, many, many times over the years.

But the Pats look very slow to me on offense. It just does not look like it used to.

I dont like the Pats but over the years I cant deny that they were great and looked like a well oiled machine.

I am just not seeing it this year.

Maybe their defense will bail them out. Thay are really good on the D side of the ball.

Anything can happen. I just dont like their chances this year.

If Lamar and Mahomes were not around I would say maybe. Barring a massive injury by one or both of them, and I dont think anyone wants to see that, I just cant see NE getting by them.

But NE has proved me wrong many times over the years, so we shall see.

Its going to be fun and interesting to watch. Thats the best part. I love football this time of year.

[Bassplayah101]

Have your fun now Patriot fans.

You are going to get waxed in the playoffs this year by KC or Baltimore.

Make no mistake about it. And hopefully it is going to happen in Gillette Stadium like it did in game 7 at home for the Bruins in the Stanley Cup Finals.

Get all your smack talking in now, because its all over. Done. Finally.Lolol, after 20 years of complete and utter domination, you can have it. My belly is full..


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[Kingofkings1281]

Have your fun now Patriot fans.

You are going to get waxed in the playoffs this year by KC or Baltimore.

Make no mistake about it. And hopefully it is going to happen in Gillette Stadium like it did in game 7 at home for the Bruins in the Stanley Cup Finals.

Get all your smack talking in now, because its all over. Done. Finally.

Thanks for the update.

[codered]

While I don’t think there’s likely anything to this accusation, if you’ve watched Brady and the Pats offense lately, they haven’t had an easy time beating people with their eyes open. That offense is a disaster.

As long as they score more than zero points I think they’ll fair okay against the bungles lol still have a ridiculously tough defence

Where is the cartman meme “I misinterpreted da rulez”?

[ThePatriotWay]

Your faith in Josh McDaniels is something you might reconsider. And I wouldn’t be so sure the division will always be a cakewalk.

Was just saying worst case scenario. It's not like they'll just go to immediately losing seasons.

[88horsepower]

Was just saying worst case scenario. It's not like they'll just go to immediately losing seasons.

It’s hard to say. I’ve seen proud organizations used to winning go downhill pretty quick and I’ve seen some that continue to win. Nothing is a guarantee.

[Fenway55]

I understand that. In the past I knew the Pats would be right there in the end. I did not like it but I was well aware of it.

I honestly am not trying to break the chops of any Patriots fans. My two observations watching them this year is why I think the run may be coming to an end soon.

#1-It has to end at some point. It cant go on forever.

#2-This one is much more relevant, football wise, then #1 is. I have been watching football a long time. Yes, I have been wrong many, many, many times over the years.

But the Pats look very slow to me on offense. It just does not look like it used to.

I dont like the Pats but over the years I cant deny that they were great and looked like a well oiled machine.

I am just not seeing it this year.Yeah sure thing buddy. I’m sure last year when they were 11-5 and lost to Pittsburgh and Miami, you were predicting a Super Bowl Championship.

I wish I had a dollar for every time someone predicted the end of the dynasty and another 50 cents for every time they said “yeah I know we said this before, but this year it’s different..!!”

[Boo]

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According to a report from ESPN's Diana Russini, the videographer identified himself as an employee of Robert Kraft, had the camera focused on the Bengals sideline for the first quarter, and when confronted by Bengals security, asked if the situation could be forgotten if the footage was deleted.
The details in Russini's report has striking similarities to accusations of how the Patriots filmed opposing teams during what became known as "Spygate."
The NFL now has the tape. Its contents are unknown at this time.
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The NFL is investigating the New England Patriots after an unusual situation took place during the Cincinnati Bengals' Week 14 game versus the Cleveland Browns.


According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Patriots had an advance scout at the game filming a feature titled "Do Your Job" that the team produces. The series covers a day in the life of different members of the Patriots organization. Schefter added that the Browns credentialed the video crew.

According to multiple reports, a Bengals official saw the video being taped and alerted Bengals security, who then confiscated the tape. The NFL has the tape, and it is unknown what's on it. Bengals coach Zac Taylor told reporters on Monday that he was aware of a situation that took place but would not comment on it.

The Patriots play the Bengals in Week 15 in Cincinnati.

ESPN's Diana Russini reported some eyebrow-raising details from the confrontation between the Bengals official, Bengals security, and the Patriots crew.

According to Russini, the cameraman in the box identified himself as an employee of Robert Kraft. A source at the scene told her the camera was focused on the Bengals' sideline for the first quarter. A source also told Russini that the pro scout allegedly being featured in "Do Your Job" was interviewed before the game but was not interviewed once the game began.

According to Russini, when Bengals security arrived to interview the Kraft cameraman, the cameraman "asked if they could just delete the footage, and it all be forgotten."

According to Russini, the Patriots no longer have the tape, and the Bengals would not release the tape to ESPN.

Similarities to "Spygate"
The situation bears striking similarities to how the Patriots filmed opposing teams during the "Spygate" scandal.


ESPN's Don Van Natta and Seth Wickersham reported in 2015 that the Patriots would send scouts to opponents' games undercover as media members. They would get media credentials listed under "Patriots TV" or "Kraft Productions" and were prepared with excuses for what to say they were filming if security asked.

Van Natta and Wickersham wrote in 2015: "The videographers also were provided with excuses for what to tell NFL security if asked what they were doing: Tell them you're filming the quarterbacks. Or the kickers. Or footage for a team show."

[rittdk01]

There is more coverage of the extracurricular activity in the NFL than the actual games.

I seriously doubt the Patriots were filming that crappy team to try getting an edge. :doh:

[Boo]

There is more coverage of the extracurricular activity in the NFL than the actual games.

I seriously doubt the Patriots were filming that crappy team to try getting an edge. :doh:

Doesn't matter, doing something stupid and against NFL rules (especially if you are the Patriots) is beyond dumb.

[hairysasquatch]

Nobody on BO stirs the pot quite like Boo. :coffee:

[jlzinck]

They should be made to forfeit the game this week and schedule a public execution of a random patriots employee on Monday.

[IndySportsCards]

Why would the Patriots need to cheat against the 1-win Bengals

Highlights for their "What Not To Do" series of films.

[Boo]

Nobody on BO stirs the pot quite like Boo. :coffee:

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[JeremyNick]

They should be made to forfeit the game this week and schedule a public execution of a random patriots employee on Monday.

Or just face discipline again for doing something against the league rules.
But it’s easier to overreact and make stupid suggestions to distract from the reality of the Patriots idiocy.

[jlzinck]

Or just face discipline again for doing something against the league rules.
But it’s easier to overreact and make stupid suggestions to distract from the reality of the Patriots idiocy.

You must be so much fun at parties.

[JeremyNick]

You must be so much fun at parties.

That was a quick turn to personal insults. Usually people with no argument flounder around a while before throwing up the white flag.
Enjoy the “Everyone hates us pity party”, I won’t be sending in my RSVP to that one.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Been a good minute since i've used this song.

For all the Pats haters

LKta_gRc2gA

[dashcol]

Or just face discipline again for doing something against the league rules.
But it’s easier to overreact and make stupid suggestions to distract from the reality of the Patriots idiocy.

That was a quick turn to personal insults. Usually people with no argument flounder around a while before throwing up the white flag.
Enjoy the “Everyone hates us pity party”, I won’t be sending in my RSVP to that one.

Well that escalated quickly. Only took three pages this time, good job guys, it normally takes longer to bring out the anger.

People just don’t get sarcasm anymore do they?

[hairysasquatch]

https://i.imgur.com/MfKkXMK.gif

I am forced to concede that "spooning out the chum" is a better analogy for your role on these boards.

[cnewby]

That was a quick turn to personal insults. Usually people with no argument flounder around a while before throwing up the white flag.
Enjoy the “Everyone hates us pity party”, I won’t be sending in my RSVP to that one.

You. I like you.

[blackbears86]

As a Pats fan, this pisses me off.


scenario #1: It really is a legitimate mistake: Still makes the Patriots look bad/like cheaters and fuels the haters.

scenario #2: They really were taping the Bengals: makes the Patriots look worse/like cheaters and continues to fuel the haters.


regardless, it bugs me the Pats would even put themselves in this type of position after all that's transpired in the past.

[88horsepower]

As a Pats fan, this pisses me off.


scenario #1: It really is a legitimate mistake: Still makes the Patriots look bad/like cheaters and fuels the haters.

scenario #2: They really were taping the Bengals: makes the Patriots look worse/like cheaters and continues to fuel the haters.


regardless, it bugs me the Pats would even put themselves in this type of position after all that's transpired in the past.

This is how I’d be feeling if I were a Patriots fan.

[Morgoth]

As a Pats fan, this pisses me off.


scenario #1: It really is a legitimate mistake: Still makes the Patriots look bad/like cheaters and fuels the haters.

scenario #2: They really were taping the Bengals: makes the Patriots look worse/like cheaters and continues to fuel the haters.


regardless, it bugs me the Pats would even put themselves in this type of position after all that's transpired in the past.

This is just a small bump in the road for the folks that gave justification on these boards for Krafts handy being ok

[hairysasquatch]

Does anyone really think Kraft has given up handiest? :coffee:

[Dielon]

Spygate 2 Electric Boogaloo. -should have been the title

[IronMonkey415]

I'm going to an Asian Massage parlor later.

[JeremyNick]

As a Pats fan, this pisses me off.


scenario #1: It really is a legitimate mistake: Still makes the Patriots look bad/like cheaters and fuels the haters.

scenario #2: They really were taping the Bengals: makes the Patriots look worse/like cheaters and continues to fuel the haters.


regardless, it bugs me the Pats would even put themselves in this type of position after all that's transpired in the past.

That was my first post. It’s either they are really dumb, or really dumb and tone deaf. Considering they videotaped the sidelines for 8 minutes straight I’m guessing it’s not just an oopsie.

[Re2pect]

What clowns. One is an accident, two is a a trend...what is this??? Suspend Bellicheat!!

[JWBlue]

This is clearly cheating and the Pats will be punished.

[TimBuckTwo]

So what else is new?

[Siberian13]

I'm going to an Asian Massage parlor later.

Say hi to Mrs Boo. Discount Tuesday’s

[Soxfanguy]

I feel like Brady will be suspended for this. Goodell doesn't like him

[Soxfanguy]

Why the Bengals? Might as well go record a high school team instead

[rittdk01]

They have headsets to talk to the defense and offense and don't even do signals anymore, so there is nothing they could gain from taping the sideline. Am I missing something :confused:

[fazzle]

Why the Bengals? Might as well go record a high school team instead

It's very simple to understand why the Bengals.

A) The AFC East is still up for grabs, so even though they're a 1-12 team, it's still a very important game for the Patriots, and one they're not used to having this late in the season.

B) Zac Taylor is a coach they've never faced before, so getting extra footage of him and his crew is a huge advantage.

C) Zac Taylor is a disciple of Sean McVay, so they're potentially getting extra info incase of another Rams matchup

D) It being "just the Bengals" makes it a lot easier to write off and laugh about rather than being taken seriously.

[21Pittsburgh58]

It's very simple to understand why the Bengals.

A) The AFC East is still up for grabs, so even though they're a 1-12 team, it's still a very important game for the Patriots, and one they're not used to having this late in the season.

B) Zac Taylor is a coach they've never faced before, so getting extra footage of him and his crew is a huge advantage.

C) Zac Taylor is a disciple of Sean McVay, so they're potentially getting extra info incase of another Rams matchup

D) It being "just the Bengals" makes it a lot easier to write off and laugh about rather than being taken seriously.

Without coming off as anti-Patriots or a Patriots-homer, you managed to sum it up perfectly. Well done!

[Soxfanguy]

It's very simple to understand why the Bengals.

A) The AFC East is still up for grabs, so even though they're a 1-12 team, it's still a very important game for the Patriots, and one they're not used to having this late in the season.

B) Zac Taylor is a coach they've never faced before, so getting extra footage of him and his crew is a huge advantage.

C) Zac Taylor is a disciple of Sean McVay, so they're potentially getting extra info incase of another Rams matchup

D) It being "just the Bengals" makes it a lot easier to write off and laugh about rather than being taken seriously.

That makes a lot more sense

[Morgoth]

I think its just something they do no matter who the opponent is

[DontToewsMeBro]

Patriots cheated??????

https://i.imgur.com/SvZ9sGQ.gif?noredirect

[Bassplayah101]

Early reports suggest the NFL is taking the Patriots org at their word, as there is no evidence of malice and they have been fully cooperating with whatever investigatory steps the NFL is currently performing.

But please continue with the pitchforks.


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[Re2pect]

Early reports suggest the NFL is taking the Patriots org at their word, as there is no evidence of malice and they have been fully cooperating with whatever investigatory steps the NFL is currently performing.

But please continue with the pitchforks.


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Yeah, we'll all take your word for it.

[JeremyNick]

Early reports suggest the NFL is taking the Patriots org at their word, as there is no evidence of malice and they have been fully cooperating with whatever investigatory steps the NFL is currently performing.

But please continue with the pitchforks.


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No pitchforks by there is a report that they taped the Bengals sideline for 8 minutes uninterrupted. I don’t know what reports you heard but by virtue of the league investigating they are in fact not taking the Patriots at their word.

[Wade Mulroy]

Evidence of the Patriots cheating? No way!

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[Bowman1951]

Chiefs equipment ends up in Newark. Now this. Either the Patriots are the most amazingly lucky franchise in the universe, or they cheat.I know, right? That ttttoootttaaallllly impacted the outcome of the game!

[jasonm2121]

I know, right? That ttttoootttaaallllly impacted the outcome of the game!

100%. Major impact, that is obvious.

[cnewby]

"TomBradyLand" and "GOAT City" definitely check out.

[jasonm2121]

Got to, thanks!

[Bassplayah101]

Yeah, we'll all take your word for it.Why wouldn't you?

Am i going to come here and flat out lie about what the NFL network just reported on TV?

Get a life, kid..


No pitchforks by there is a report that they taped the Bengals sideline for 8 minutes uninterrupted. I don’t know what reports you heard but by virtue of the league investigating they are in fact not taking the Patriots at their word.

Same with you.


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[cnewby]

Why wouldn't you?

Am i going to come here and flat out lie about what the NFL network just reported on TV?

Get a life, kid..




Same with you.


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huh??:coffee:

[Bowman1951]

"TomBradyLand" and "GOAT City" definitely check out.PBM's, begin the investigation IMMEDIATELY.

[cnewby]

PBM's, begin the investigation IMMEDIATELY.

NFL already is. :doh:

[Bowman1951]

NFL already is. :doh:It looks like that went wwwaaayyyyy too far over your head.

[cnewby]

It looks like that went wwwaaayyyyy too far over your head.

Yup. you're too smart for me. :)!

[lecreccio]

That was the right call according to the league rules in place at the time. It had been called many times before.

Sorry not sorry.


That call had NEVER been called before, ever! And the following year they called it twice in the first couple of weeks and it was never called again.

[Brian48]

That called had NEVER been called before, ever! And the following year they called it twice in the first couple of weeks and it was never called again.

Irrelevant. It was the correct call for the time as stupid as the rule is. Get over it.

[JWBlue]

NFL ‘inclined to believe’ Patriots’ videotaping explanation, but team wouldn’t be ‘off the hook,' could still face punishment (reports)

https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2019/12/nfl-inclined-to-believe-patriots-videotaping-explanation-but-team-wouldnt-be-off-the-hook-could-still-face-punishment-reports.html

[Fenway55]

That call had NEVER been called before, ever! And the following year they called it twice in the first couple of weeks and it was never called again.
You’re phenomenally ignorant of the NFL. That call was called many times. It was even called *against* the Patriots earlier that season in a game against the Jets.

The only thing is it didn’t make national headlines when it happened in a regular season game. So people like you ignorantly think something unusual went on when they called it in the playoffs.

[Siberian13]

You’re phenomenally ignorant of the NFL. That call was called many times. It was even called *against* the Patriots earlier that season in a game against the Jets.

The only thing is it didn’t make national headlines when it happened in a regular season game. So people like you ignorantly think something unusual went on when they called it in the playoffs.

Yeah well I never got a tweet about it, so....

[88horsepower]

Early reports suggest the NFL is taking the Patriots org at their word, as there is no evidence of malice and they have been fully cooperating with whatever investigatory steps the NFL is currently performing.

But please continue with the pitchforks.


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Because we all believe the NFL stands for transparency and integrity. Right.

[ThePatriotWay]

Can we all just admit that people just hate the Patriots because of their success and they will do anything to bring them down? Nobody cares unless it's the Patriots. A lot of minor things get blown up into big issues just because it's the Patriots.

Example 1) Steelers deflate gate.

No investigation
Nobody cares
Media did not care to blow up the story
The NFL quickly ended it

Example 2) Patriots deflate gate.

Years of investigation
Years of court battles
Suspended QB
Fines
Loss of draft picks
Still won the super bowl

I'm so sick of the witch hunts that occur every single year. Sometimes, there are multiple witch hunts in just one year alone. For example, earlier in the season, it was "The Patriots colluded to get AB." Now, it's "They recorded a 1-12 team!"

The Patriots are found guilty as soon as the media and haters pick up a whiff of something involving the Patriots.

Nobody cares though, if Brady gets a laser shined in his face all day at the AFC game and nobody cares when other teams do the same #@#@#@#@. I'm so fed up with how much attention the Patriots get just from the most ridiculous #@#@#@#@.

"Inb4, well then stop cheating.."

[Brian48]

Can we all just admit that people just hate the Patriots because of their success and they will do anything to bring them down? Nobody cares unless it's the Patriots. A lot of minor things get blown up into big issues just because it's the Patriots.

Example 1) Steelers deflate gate.

No investigation
Nobody cares
Media did not care to blow up the story
The NFL quickly ended it

Example 2) Patriots deflate gate.

Years of investigation
Years of court battles
Suspended QB
Fines
Loss of draft picks
Still won the super bowl

I'm so sick of the witch hunts that occur every single year. Sometimes, there are multiple witch hunts in just one year alone. For example, earlier in the season, it was "The Patriots colluded to get AB." Now, it's "They recorded a 1-12 team!"

The Patriots are found guilty as soon as the media and haters pick up a whiff of something involving the Patriots.

Nobody cares though, if Brady gets a laser shined in his face all day at the AFC game and nobody cares when other teams do the same #@#@#@#@.

You forgot to mention that Deflategate, at worst, was a 25k equipment violation according to the rules, and that's only if the party was found guilty of the incident, of which there was NEVER any hard evidence according to the Mitchell report. Brady was penalized for not cooperating with the investigation, not for deflating the balls. This was the official ruling. Would you trust turning over your phone with all your private information to Goodell's team when they ALREADY had full transcripts of all the text communications? It's not like they would "leak" anything out, would they? The other owners were still pissed about SpyGate and wanted to burn the Pats for something (anything) to make up for it.

[Celticsfan748]

I love the patriots hate. I live in mass and don’t watch many games now admittedly, but it’s kind of sad to watch opposing fan groups lose it lol


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[lecreccio]

You’re phenomenally ignorant of the NFL. That call was called many times. It was even called *against* the Patriots earlier that season in a game against the Jets.

The only thing is it didn’t make national headlines when it happened in a regular season game. So people like you ignorantly think something unusual went on when they called it in the playoffs.


It was not called MANY times. The Jet game you referred was the only time it was ever call before the “tuck rule game”. I was wrong about the other two times it was called. I said it happened in the following season but I was wrong. It was called once in 2005 and once in 2011. I guess you’re statement might be PHENOMENALLY ignorant. But Im not sure what ignorant means.....

[Fenway55]

Can we all just admit that people just hate the Patriots because of their success and they will do anything to bring them down? Nobody cares unless it's the Patriots. A lot of minor things get blown up into big issues just because it's the Patriots.

Example 1) Steelers deflate gate.

No investigation
Nobody cares
Media did not care to blow up the story
The NFL quickly ended it

Example 2) Patriots deflate gate.

Years of investigation
Years of court battles
Suspended QB
Fines
Loss of draft picks
Still won the super bowl

I'm so sick of the witch hunts that occur every single year. Sometimes, there are multiple witch hunts in just one year alone. For example, earlier in the season, it was "The Patriots colluded to get AB." Now, it's "They recorded a 1-12 team!"

The Patriots are found guilty as soon as the media and haters pick up a whiff of something involving the Patriots.

Nobody cares though, if Brady gets a laser shined in his face all day at the AFC game and nobody cares when other teams do the same #@#@#@#@. I'm so fed up with how much attention the Patriots get just from the most ridiculous #@#@#@#@.

"Inb4, well then stop cheating.."
My favorite is when the Carolina Panthers got caught on LIVE TV illegally heating their footballs in Minnesota. As soon as I saw that I laughed and said “That’s illegal.” It was, in short, an equipment violation.

You know what their punishment was? A letter of warning (and not even a particularly sternly worded one at that)

[Fenway55]

It was not called MANY times. The Jet game you referred was the only time it was ever call before the “tuck rule game”. I was wrong about the other two times it was called. I said it happened in the following season but I was wrong. It was called once in 2005 and once in 2011. I guess you’re statement might be PHENOMENALLY ignorant. But Im not sure what ignorant means.....
Lol!! You go from “it was never called” to “the Jet game was the ONLY time”. Lololol!!

It was called many times. It just isn’t a stat they keep or anything like that so you aren’t going to be able to google box scores.

[rman112]

I know, right? That ttttoootttaaallllly impacted the outcome of the game!

Why is it ALWAYS something with the Pats?

[21Pittsburgh58]

Can we all just admit that people just hate the Patriots because of their success and they will do anything to bring them down? Nobody cares unless it's the Patriots. A lot of minor things get blown up into big issues just because it's the Patriots.

Example 1) Steelers deflate gate.

No investigation
Nobody cares
Media did not care to blow up the story
The NFL quickly ended it

Example 2) Patriots deflate gate.

Years of investigation
Years of court battles
Suspended QB
Fines
Loss of draft picks
Still won the super bowl

I'm so sick of the witch hunts that occur every single year. Sometimes, there are multiple witch hunts in just one year alone. For example, earlier in the season, it was "The Patriots colluded to get AB." Now, it's "They recorded a 1-12 team!"

The Patriots are found guilty as soon as the media and haters pick up a whiff of something involving the Patriots.

Nobody cares though, if Brady gets a laser shined in his face all day at the AFC game and nobody cares when other teams do the same #@#@#@#@. I'm so fed up with how much attention the Patriots get just from the most ridiculous #@#@#@#@.

"Inb4, well then stop cheating.."

Patriots fans simply don't get it. It's not the football team that is the reason for 'pitchforks'. Most fans of other teams actually respect and appreciate what the organization, Brady and Belichick has accomplished over the last 17 years.

So if it's not the team, Brady or Belichick - what or WHOM do you think is the reason for the 'hate' as you guys like to put it? One guess (and it's not Old Handjob Krafty either) and if you can't get it, then Pats FANS are clueless.

[ThePatriotWay]

What is there to get? Besides the fact that the media and haters give special attention to the Patriots compared to other organizations which I just detailed above.

[boston12]

Great fuel for the stretch run here. Go Pats!

[JeremyNick]

"The Patriots are found guilty as soon as the media and haters pick up a whiff of something involving the Patriots."

They filmed the Bengals sideline for 8 minutes straight.
Filming a team's sideline is illegal. I mean it's pretty cut and dry. At this point, the Patriots should be aware of this rule. Not even taking into account the fact that filming the opposing team's sideline for 8 minutes straight has nothing to do with a documentary on an advanced scout and the fact that when caught the guy wanted the tapes destroyed.

[hanstess]

https://images.app.goo.gl/18kH9Cz65B3Pph3N8

[Fenway55]

Why is it ALWAYS something with the Pats?Because it’s stuff every team does but the Pats are the ones who make it national headlines.

Earlier this year, both the Lions and Steelers were fined for lying on the injury report, which is a violation of league rules. But no one gives a crap about the Lions or Steelers, so no one cares when they violate league rules and get punished for it.

When it’s the Lions or Steelers, it’s barely a blip on the radar. But if the Patriots did it? National headlines.

[Fenway55]

Patriots fans simply don't get it. It's not the football team that is the reason for 'pitchforks'. Most fans of other teams actually respect and appreciate what the organization, Brady and Belichick has accomplished over the last 17 years.

So if it's not the team, Brady or Belichick - what or WHOM do you think is the reason for the 'hate' as you guys like to put it? One guess (and it's not Old Handjob Krafty either) and if you can't get it, then Pats FANS are clueless.
We know why you hate us. You hate us because we’re the most dominant dynasty in the modern era of the NFL. Nobody hates the Browns, nobody hates the Padres, nobody hates the Hornets. But plenty of people sure hate the Patriots, Yankees and Lakers.

[tennelson55]

Old habits die hard

This is it. Do the same, rinse and repeat until more championships won.

[coltsnsox07]

"If you cheat and fail, your a cheater. If you cheat and succeed, your savvy."
http://https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49202282487_3702bb5899_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2hXQypi)MV5BNTQ3MzE0MTgxNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMTY2NDg0MjE@._V1_UY1200_CR485,0,630,1200_AL_ (https://flic.kr/p/2hXQypi) by tod wacko (https://www.flickr.com/photos/149945439@N04/), on Flickr

[TheFrenzy]

#Bengalzi

[TheFrenzy]

We know why you hate us. You hate us because we’re the most dominant dynasty in the modern era of the NFL. Nobody hates the Browns, nobody hates the Padres, nobody hates the Hornets. But plenty of people sure hate the Patriots, Yankees and Lakers.

Ok Boomer.

(Or do you pronounce it “Okay Boomah” when you’re in Boston?)

[Celticsfan748]

Ok Boomer.



(Or you say it “Okay Boomah” when you’re in Boston?)



I’m 25


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[TheFrenzy]

I’m 25


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Okay Boomah.

;)

[49erRCCollector]

This is a non-story. I don’t get the brouhaha.

[ninjacookies]

Taping the Bengals is like Tom Arnold hiring a private detective to find out if Roseanne is committing adultery.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

NNiie_zmSr8

[SirTommyWinAlot]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Ef0TRTKRVGGQw/giphy.gif

[Fenway55]

Ok Boomer.

(Or do you pronounce it “Okay Boomah” when you’re in Boston?)

LOL..!! When all you have is the latest trendy internet comeback du jour (which it’s clear you don’t even understand the meaning of, you just heard it somewhere and thought you’d look cool if you used it yourself) then you really have nothing.

[fazzle]

Because it’s stuff every team does but the Pats are the ones who make it national headlines.

Earlier this year, both the Lions and Steelers were fined for lying on the injury report, which is a violation of league rules. But no one gives a crap about the Lions or Steelers, so no one cares when they violate league rules and get punished for it.

When it’s the Lions or Steelers, it’s barely a blip on the radar. But if the Patriots did it? National headlines.

Yeah, they were fined. They were punished for their league rule violations and took the punishment and moved on. They didn't deflect deflect deflect deflect and try to pretend there was nothing there.

[KhalDrogo]

"The Patriots are found guilty as soon as the media and haters pick up a whiff of something involving the Patriots."

They filmed the Bengals sideline for 8 minutes straight.
Filming a team's sideline is illegal. I mean it's pretty cut and dry. At this point, the Patriots should be aware of this rule. Not even taking into account the fact that filming the opposing team's sideline for 8 minutes straight has nothing to do with a documentary on an advanced scout and the fact that when caught the guy wanted the tapes destroyed.
There will be some serious penalties if this report is true. No getting away from it.

[JeremyNick]

There will be some serious penalties if this report is true. No getting away from it.

Apparently not. Which is absolutely incredible. They have the guy on tape saying let’s just delete the video and act like this didn’t happen. I mean c’mon, how obtuse is the NFL.

[Siberian13]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/296/334/cf5.gif

[dfr52]

Just not a good look for a franchise that has had issues with competitive advantage in the past.

[JeremyNick]

Just not a good look for a franchise that has had issues with competitive advantage in the past.

“Has had issues with competitive advantage”
You are the BO diplomat of the year with that statement.

[88horsepower]

I wonder how many other team have been caught filming illegally in the last five years.

Name them all for me.

[boston12]

No team has ever been hated more then the patriots. And personally I love it!!

[lecreccio]

No team has ever been hated more then the patriots. And personally I love it!!

The Chicago Black Sox........also cheaters.

[Grid]

The Chicago Black Sox........also cheaters.

To be fair, the Black Sox did not cheat. They threw games for money. IE they lost on purpose.

A little bit different type of scandal.

[Fenway55]

Yeah, they were fined. They were punished for their league rule violations and took the punishment and moved on. They didn't deflect deflect deflect deflect and try to pretend there was nothing there.
You obviously didn’t read the team statement as of a couple days ago.

[Fenway55]

No team has ever been hated more then the patriots. And personally I love it!!
Me too! It’s the ultimate compliment. Like I said, no one hates the nobodies.

[Bassplayah101]

I hate the Patriots with a seething fury.

That is all.

Go pats!

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[boston12]

The Chicago Black Sox........also cheaters.

Yeah always hear people talking pure liquid lava hate about those darn black Sox

[fazzle]

You obviously didn’t read the team statement as of a couple days ago.

The one where they were bending over backwards to say "yeah we broke the rules but we didn't MEAN anything by it! It was all in good faith! We made a(nother) mistake! C'mon guys! Plus, we also didn't have anything to do with it, it was an independent group not at all following any orders from us," that one?

Or do you actually mean the statement from Belichick trying to disavow any knowledge of it?

Or the team employee hoping that the footage could be erased and forgotten about, again?

Definitely sounds like things you'd do when it's no big deal.


The New England Patriots are that board member that has awesome cards that you're willing to overpay for, but is constantly scamming and somehow has an excuse for it every time they get called out, and even though only the most ardent of fans are buying it, they still manage to get away with it.

The Patriots are ProspectRush. Hopefully it catches up with them eventually like it did with him.

[boston12]

The one where they were bending over backwards to say "yeah we broke the rules but we didn't MEAN anything by it! It was all in good faith! We made a(nother) mistake! C'mon guys! Plus, we also didn't have anything to do with it, it was an independent group not at all following any orders from us," that one?

Or do you actually mean the statement from Belichick trying to disavow any knowledge of it?

Or the team employee hoping that the footage could be erased and forgotten about, again?

Definitely sounds like things you'd do when it's no big deal.


The New England Patriots are that board member that has awesome cards that you're willing to overpay for, but is constantly scamming and somehow has an excuse for it every time they get called out, and even though only the most ardent of fans are buying it, they still manage to get away with it.

The Patriots are ProspectRush. Hopefully it catches up with them eventually like it did with him.

Merry Christmas !

[Bulls90s]

Bill Belichick is a dictator...that's why he is buddies with dotard Trump! Hell, he probably taught him how to cheat.

[Bassplayah101]

The one where they were bending over backwards to say "yeah we broke the rules but we didn't MEAN anything by it! It was all in good faith! We made a(nother) mistake! C'mon guys! Plus, we also didn't have anything to do with it, it was an independent group not at all following any orders from us," that one?

Or do you actually mean the statement from Belichick trying to disavow any knowledge of it?

Or the team employee hoping that the footage could be erased and forgotten about, again?

Definitely sounds like things you'd do when it's no big deal.


The New England Patriots are that board member that has awesome cards that you're willing to overpay for, but is constantly scamming and somehow has an excuse for it every time they get called out, and even though only the most ardent of fans are buying it, they still manage to get away with it.

The Patriots are ProspectRush. Hopefully it catches up with them eventually like it did with him.Wow.. so angry. You should channel that, specifically into getting your information correct.

The film crew are not employees but are in fact an independent company executing the filming for the show.


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[boston12]

Bill Belichick is a dictator...that's why he is buddies with dotard Trump!

Both highly successful men, accomplished more in their lives then 99.99999999999% of the people in this universe.

[Comix Guy]

Both highly successful men, accomplished more in their lives then 99.99999999999% of the people in this universe.

That's like when you tell someone their clock is broken and they respond "Its right twice a day!"

[fazzle]

The film crew are not employees but are in fact an independent company executing the filming for the show.



Independent contractors working for the Patriots alongside a Patriot employed scout. I'm sure they were entirely acting of their own accord.

[Cactuspies]

We know why you hate us. You hate us because we’re the most dominant dynasty in the modern era of the NFL. Nobody hates the Browns, nobody hates the Padres, nobody hates the Hornets. But plenty of people sure hate the Patriots, Yankees and Lakers.

don't forget the steelers have blamed the pats multiple times for the NFL having equipment failures at Gillette. Also they send their players and staff undercover to other locker rooms to get play books. They also have mics and cameras in the toilets and shower knobs.

then there is also ernie adams and his magic or voodoo or witchcraft

[cnewby]

That's like when you tell someone their clock is broken and they respond "Its right twice a day!"

Its actually nothing like that. :)!

[Fenway55]

The solution to this whole thing is so obvious that even the NFL is smart enough to figure it out:

We know the Patriots got credentials from the home team (Cleveland Browns). So ask every other team that the Patriots sent their advance scout to if they also had a request for cameraman credentials. If this is truly an isolated incident, then only a total moron would think the Patriots would be so afraid of Cincinnati that they did this for them but not, like, for KC and Baltimore and Houston. But if it is something they’ve done 5, 6, 7 times already this season, then there’s probably something to the story.

[JeremyNick]

The solution to this whole thing is so obvious that even the NFL is smart enough to figure it out:

We know the Patriots got credentials from the home team (Cleveland Browns). So ask every other team that the Patriots sent their advance scout to if they also had a request for cameraman credentials. If this is truly an isolated incident, then only a total moron would think the Patriots would be so afraid of Cincinnati that they did this for them but not, like, for KC and Baltimore and Houston. But if it is something they’ve done 5, 6, 7 times already this season, then there’s probably something to the story.

It doesn’t matter. You are not allowed to video the sidelines and they did it for 8 minutes and were caught. End of story.

[NYstateofmind]

It doesn’t matter. You are not allowed to video the sidelines and they did it for 8 minutes and were caught. End of story.

Of course it matters.

Nuance is important.

[jdandns]

What's one more stain on the filthy tapestry that is this rotten-from-top-to-bottom organization?
Could be worse. At least this one wasn't literally applied to it by Kraft himself.

[JeremyNick]

Of course it matters.

Nuance is important.
For what?
There is a rule, they broke it.
There is no rationalizing it. Especially for a team that has broken said rule before.

[boston12]

What's one more stain on the filthy tapestry that is this rotten-from-top-to-bottom organization?
Could be worse. At least this one wasn't literally applied to it by Kraft himself.

Who’s your favorite current Patriot? Mine is Tom Brady

[Fenway55]

It doesn’t matter. You are not allowed to video the sidelines and they did it for 8 minutes and were caught. End of story.
Of course it matters. The Commissioner has to levy a punishment and there are light years of difference between doing every week to every team in order to gain a competitive advantage in the following week's game versus some clueless independent contractor who really was just filming a documentary, with footage that was not going to be viewed by football ops.

That, my ignorant friend, is the difference between losing a 7th round pick versus losing a 1st rounder.

[Fenway55]

For what?
There is a rule, they broke it. This is pretty silly. There is a rule that says I can't drive 80 on the highway. There's also a rule that says I can't murder my girlfriend.

Ya think the punishment is the same for breaking those rules? (Not that I have any plans to do the latter, mind you....)

[jdandns]

Who’s your favorite current Patriot? Mine is Tom Brady

I'll go with Brady, too.
He's a California kid, like me.

[JeremyNick]

This is pretty silly. There is a rule that says I can't drive 80 on the highway. There's also a rule that says I can't murder my girlfriend.

Ya think the punishment is the same for breaking those rules? (Not that I have any plans to do the latter, mind you....)

No but there should be punishment. It’s a second offense, under the same regime for breaking the same rule.

[JeremyNick]

Of course it matters. The Commissioner has to levy a punishment and there are light years of difference between doing every week to every team in order to gain a competitive advantage in the following week's game versus some clueless independent contractor who really was just filming a documentary, with footage that was not going to be viewed by football ops.

That, my ignorant friend, is the difference between losing a 7th round pick versus losing a 1st rounder.

What is the punishment for getting caught a second time?
That princess - is the real issue.

[Fenway55]

What is the punishment for getting caught a second time?
That princess - is the real issue.
Well, little girl, what we need to do is determine if it is indeed a second time. Sorry not sorry, but if this was never going to be used by football ops, then it isn't even remotely the same thing.

[JeremyNick]

Well, little girl, what we need to do is determine if it is indeed a second time. Sorry not sorry, but if this was never going to be used by football ops, then it isn't even remotely the same thing.

And here we go again. You keep taking in circles. It doesn’t matter what the intent was. They got caught, taping a teams sideline - unabated for 8 minutes mind you - again. Whether it was intentional or an oopsie, should be of no concern. You can’t do it. Just like you can’t speed, or kill your girlfriend. And if you do it twice, the punishment adds up.
You want to be a passive-aggressive princess. I’ll call you out on it. You want to discuss this rationally, don’t start throwing around personal insults. And if you can’t handle it, sit in the corner.

[blackbears86]

Bill Belichick is a dictator...that's why he is buddies with dotard Trump! Hell, he probably taught him how to cheat.



So far, the best post of this thread by far.





I LOVE more than anything how the haters get caught up in the Patriots.:devil:

[blackbears86]

And here we go again. You keep taking in circles. It doesn’t matter what the intent was. They got caught, taping a teams sideline - unabated for 8 minutes mind you - again. Whether it was intentional or an oopsie, should be of no concern. You can’t do it. Just like you can’t speed, or kill your girlfriend. And if you do it twice, the punishment adds up.
You want to be a passive-aggressive princess. I’ll call you out on it. You want to discuss this rationally, don’t start throwing around personal insults. And if you can’t handle it, sit in the corner.



Jeremynick: It's totally about intent. Seems quite obvious.



After the NFL investigates, if it's proven the film crew was directed to tape the Bengals sideline for scouting purposes yes, throw the book at the Pats.


If it truly was a "mistake" fine them and move on.

[jdandns]

There's no proof Bill has to pay for it like those other dudes.

[49erRCCollector]

How is this on page 7? I can’t imagine caring that much.

[JeremyNick]

Jeremynick: It's totally about intent. Seems quite obvious.



After the NFL investigates, if it's proven the film crew was directed to tape the Bengals sideline for scouting purposes yes, throw the book at the Pats.


If it truly was a "mistake" fine them and move on.
There is no intent in the NFL rule. You are adding it in to justify.
The rule is you are not allowed to tape for any reason. They got caught taping. Intent does not matter. Especially considering filming a teams sideline for 8 minutes has nothing to do with a scouting documentary. But that point is superfluous. The rule does not mention intent at all.

[blackbears86]

There is no intent in the NFL rule. You are adding it in to justify.
The rule is you are not allowed to tape for any reason. They got caught taping. Intent does not matter. Especially considering filming a teams sideline for 8 minutes has nothing to do with a scouting documentary. But that point is superfluous. The rule does not mention intent at all.



It's not about justifying anything. This is where you and I differ.



If they taped the sidelines and picked up absolutely nothing but players stretching and coaches standing around with clipboards---no big deal. What's the intent? (maybe it really was for a documentary)


If they taped the sidelines while different plays/formations are being run in an actual practice---intent (spying) is clearly there: big deal.


Because if they truly were intending to tape/spy on the Bengals you would think it would be during an part of practice where they could actually see formations/down situations.



I'm not here to argue, but it's two totally different issues as far as I'm concerned. Maybe the NFL is that rigid? No idea. I do agree: no part of practice should be taped, but I would put the hammer down on the Pats if that 8 minute tape showed the Bengals practicing all their third down formations.

[Fenway55]

And here we go again. You keep taking in circles. It doesn’t matter what the intent was. They got caught, taping a teams sideline - unabated for 8 minutes mind you - again. Whether it was intentional or an oopsie, should be of no concern. You can’t do it. Just like you can’t speed, or kill your girlfriend. And if you do it twice, the punishment adds up.
You want to be a passive-aggressive princess. I’ll call you out on it. You want to discuss this rationally, don’t start throwing around personal insults. And if you can’t handle it, sit in the corner.
I am discussing it rationally. I am trying to explain to your simple mind that there are varying degrees of infractions. (And if you can handle a personal insult then maybe you shouldn’t have started crap by throwing one out, little girl)

And yes, of course it matters what the intent was. On what planet are you living where intent doesn’t matter in such cases?

The only one talking in circles is you. You keep saying “they broke a rule”. Considering they *admitted* violating league policy, you’re not really contributing much.

Now do you have anything intelligent or insightful to say on the matter, little girl? Or are you just going to continue to parrot your “they broke a rule!” mantra?

[Fenway55]

There is no intent in the NFL rule. You are adding it in to justify.
The rule is you are not allowed to tape for any reason. They got caught taping. Intent does not matter. Especially considering filming a teams sideline for 8 minutes has nothing to do with a scouting documentary. But that point is superfluous. The rule does not mention intent at all.
Look, we know it hurts. It hurts you so bad that the Patriots have beaten your team in the playoffs time and time and again. It hurts that they’re the dynasty you can only dream of. It just hurts so bad to see all those Lombardi Trophies. It hurts you so much and you’re so jealous.

It’s understandable how you can lose your mind over this whole thing. I suggest you seek professional help to let go of your anger.

[Siberian13]

How is this on page 7? I can’t imagine caring that much.

Fenway and JeremyNick flirting with each other doesn’t help :)!

[Bassplayah101]

Fenway and JeremyNick flirting with each other doesn’t help :)! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191212/06a578a9ac02f0dd9a2b6681e12836ab.gif

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[JeremyNick]

Well, little girl, what we need to do is determine if it is indeed a second time.....

I am discussing it rationally....
The only one talking in circles is you. You keep saying “they broke a rule”. Considering they *admitted* violating league policy, you’re not really contributing much...

So we need to determine if it is indeed a second time, even though they already admitted doing it. Then you argue that I’m talking in circles and in the same breath say that I’m saying the same thing again and again.
I shouldn’t have to point the obvious out here but I will say you’re like a Mutt chasing it’s tail, both in the amount of circles you are making here and your level of general intelligence.

[Fenway55]

So we need to determine if it is indeed a second time, even though they already admitted doing it. It’s obvious you’re not intelligent enough to understand this subject matter at hand. They admitted violating league policy, but neither I nor the league share your ignorant stance that “filming is filming.” This isn’t a second offense if it was not something being used by football ops in order to gain a competitive advantage. Newsflash: That’s the key issue at hand, little girl. So yes, even though a league policy was broken, we need to determine if it was a second offense or if this is something different from before.

Despite your desperate attempts to claim otherwise, to every single intelligent, thinking individual, the context and intent matters. Intelligent people see a difference between an independent contractor taking b-roll footage that barely sees the light of day versus a cameraman providing video to the coaching staff for dissection and analysis of an upcoming opponent.

Let go of the pain, my friend. We know you cried yourself to sleep all those times the Patriots took you out of the playoffs. We know how angry and bitter you were when they hoisted Lombardi after Lombardi. Just don’t take it so seriously and don’t get so mad.

[BostonNut]

You’re a little girl! No you’re a princess! No you’re not intelligent! No you’re talking in circles!

:cry: This is great :popcorn:

[JeremyNick]

It’s obvious you’re not intelligent enough to understand this subject matter at hand. They admitted violating league policy, but neither I nor the league share your ignorant stance that “filming is filming.” This isn’t a second offense if it was not something being used by football ops in order to gain a competitive advantage. Newsflash: That’s the key issue at hand, little girl. So yes, even though a league policy was broken, we need to determine if it was a second offense or if this is something different from before.

Despite your desperate attempts to claim otherwise, to every single intelligent, thinking individual, the context and intent matters. Intelligent people see a difference between an independent contractor taking b-roll footage that barely sees the light of day versus a cameraman providing video to the coaching staff for dissection and analysis of an upcoming opponent.

Let go of the pain, my friend. We know you cried yourself to sleep all those times the Patriots took you out of the playoffs. We know how angry and bitter you were when they hoisted Lombardi after Lombardi. Just don’t take it so seriously and don’t get so mad.

Context matters when you want to rationalize the action. Context, intent or whatever you want to define it as this post is not part of the NFL rules. This is the second time they been caught doing this, there is no rational explanation for why they were videotaping a teams sideline for 8 minutes and, irregardless, they and the videographer knew it was illegal. “Can’t we just delete these and act like it never happened”. So despite the fact that you want deflect (you hate the Patriots) or rationalize (it’s only a problem if we know exactly why they did it) or just talk in circles (we don’t know if they actually did it, they said they did it), it boils down to what they did is against the rules and it’s the second time they broke said rule. Punish them and move on.

[Siberian13]

You’re a little girl! No you’re a princess! No you’re not intelligent! No you’re talking in circles!

:cry: This is great :popcorn:

This is what happens when a patriots fan and Steelers fan finally meet on ehamrony. Match made in heaven.

[Fenway55]

Context matters when you want to rationalize the action. Context, intent or whatever you want to define it as this post is not part of the NFL rules. You keep saying this. Could you please quote the relevant rule? Because I don’t think what you’re saying is true. So please support your claim, which you’ve made several times, about what the rules *actually* say.

Either show the rule or admit you’re just making things up out of thin air.
This is the second time they been caught doing this, there is no rational explanation for why they were videotaping a teams sideline for 8 minutes and, irregardless, they and the videographer knew it was illegal. “Can’t we just delete these and act like it never happened”. So despite the fact that you want deflect (you hate the Patriots) or rationalize (it’s only a problem if we know exactly why they did it) or just talk in circles (we don’t know if they actually did it, they said they did it), it boils down to what they did is against the rules and it’s the second time they broke said rule. Punish them and move on.I agree. Fine the multi-multi billionaire a couple hundred thousand dollars and let’s all move on.

[BostonNut]

This is what happens when a patriots fan and Steelers fan finally meet on ehamrony. Match made in heaven.

I don’t know, seems like one of them should have swiped right...

[Siberian13]

I don’t know, seems like one of them should have swiped right...

You don’t pass up on a perfect match

[Ray27Ray52]

You’re a little girl! No you’re a princess! No you’re not intelligent! No you’re talking in circles!

:cry: This is great :popcorn:

Seeing this back and forth between these two members is cringe worthy because it makes me realize I used to do the same thing on this forum. Hell even you and I used to go rounds over Tom Brady back in the day. Remember when we hated each other? Now I think you're a loveable huggable type of guy and I wouldn't throw you out of bed unless we were going to do it on the floor. So there's still hope for them yet!

[BostonNut]

Seeing this back and forth between these two members is cringe worthy because it makes me realize I used to do the same thing on this forum. Hell even you and I used to go rounds over Tom Brady back in the day. Remember when we hated each other? Now I think you're a loveable huggable type of guy and I wouldn't throw you out of bed unless we were going to do it on the floor. So there's still hope for them yet!

Oh yes...I remember being that guy. It’s funny how you age that sports stop mattering.

[Fenway55]

This is what happens when a patriots fan and Steelers fan finally meet on ehamrony. Match made in heaven.
When was the last time the cheating Steelers beat the Patriots in a game that actually mattered? The 90’s? I mean, yeah, they beat them last year but, IIRC, the Patriots went on to win the Super Bowl while the Steelers didn’t even make the playoffs so it’s tough to say that game *really* mattered...

I think we’d have to go back to the days of Kordell Stewart.....

[Ray27Ray52]

Oh yes...I remember being that guy. It’s funny how you age that sports stop mattering.

Can I get an amen?

I used to live and die with the Ravens results. If they lost my whole day was ruined. Now I just go on living my life because at the end of the day it's just sports. It's hard to still be emotionally invested when you realize your entire outlook on life revolves around millionaires throwing a piece of leather around a field for 3 hours. They surely don't need me to defend them as if they are a family member.

[Siberian13]

When was the last time the cheating Steelers beat the Patriots in a game that actually mattered? The 90’s? I mean, yeah, they beat them last year but, IIRC, the Patriots went on to win the Super Bowl while the Steelers didn’t even make the playoffs so it’s tough to say that game *really* mattered...

I think we’d have to go back to the days of Kordell Stewart.....

I mean I don't care about any of that. Just want to know what you guys had for dinner.

[Siberian13]

Can I get an amen?

I used to live and die with the Ravens results. If they lost my whole day was ruined. Now I just go on living my life because at the end of the day it's just sports. It's hard to still be emotionally invested when you realize your entire outlook on life revolves around millionaires throwing a piece of leather around a field for 3 hours. They surely don't need me to defend them as if they are a family member.

It's just a child's game. Just watch to enjoy. Don't go kicking puppies and punching babies like these angry guys. Even though it sounds fun.

[jasonm2121]

It's just a child's game. Just watch to enjoy. Don't go kicking puppies and punching babies like these angry guys. Even though it sounds fun.

Fckin love puppies.

[hostilecarrot]

I love how a couple of people who have a combined 90,000 posts on a sports forum have come together to agree that sports don't matter. So wholesome <3 :)!

[BostonNut]

I love how a couple of people who have a combined 90,000 posts on a sports forum have come together to agree that sports don't matter. So wholesome <3 :)!

If you pay any attention to me at all you’d realize that my past 20,000 posts have been destroying the joffs in SW.

[Bassplayah101]

This is why we cant have an annual Blowoutforums gathering. I imagine it would be close to this, only with middle aged couch jockeys with football jerseys on.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191212/945d7e5f211be1921bfe06ca5e2fdce6.jpg

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[Siberian13]

If you pay any attention to me at all you’d realize that my past 20,000 posts have been destroying the joffs in SW.

Including yourself which is impressive

[Siberian13]

I love how a couple of people who have a combined 90,000 posts on a sports forum have come together to agree that sports don't matter. So wholesome <3 :)!

I mean they don’t really matter. It’s just entertainment like wrestling. Watch it and enjoy it if you want. Don’t be angry about it. I mean you stay hostile, we need you but the others no.

[BostonNut]

Including yourself which is impressive

Mrs. Boo has been unavailable lately. :(

[blackbears86]

Fckin love puppies.Speaking of puppies. Or were you talking about sweater puppies?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191212/168049fd0d3f51a0d8a725bf50e94bbf.jpg

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Yes: that's my puppy! Now a year old. These were taken last Christmas!

[Siberian13]

Mrs. Boo has been unavailable lately. :(

Sorry about that. Got her working OT for the holidays.

[88horsepower]

I wonder how many other team have been caught filming illegally in the last five years.

Name them all for me.

Still waiting.

[blackbears86]

Still waiting.




Well, that took about 20 seconds to find:


The Broncos were fined $100,000 for filming the 49ers during a "walkthrough" prior to an NFL game in London in 2010.


The Denver coach at the time: Josh Mcdaniels:eek:

[Siberian13]

Well, that took about 20 seconds to find:


The Broncos were fined $100,000 for filming the 49ers during a "walkthrough" prior to an NFL game in London in 2010.


The Denver coach at the time: Josh Mcdaniels:eek:

Math is hard

[blackbears86]

Math is hard

LOL!!!

[jasonm2121]

Speaking of puppies. Or were you talking about sweater puppies?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191212/168049fd0d3f51a0d8a725bf50e94bbf.jpg

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Yes: that's my puppy! Now a year old. These were taken last Christmas!

Fckin love that puppy.

[hostilecarrot]

I wonder how many other team have been caught filming illegally in the last five years.

Name them all for me.

Well, that took about 20 seconds to find:


The Broncos were fined $100,000 for filming the 49ers during a "walkthrough" prior to an NFL game in London in 2010.


The Denver coach at the time: Josh Mcdaniels:eek:

Well, this is awkward.

[jasonm2121]

What’s going on today? I was just reading an article about that time the Jets filmed NE sideline in 2011. Ah, but they didn’t win a SB. No problem.

[ShanWVU]

*~hAtErS mAkE mE fAmOuS~*

[norskarv]

Math is hard

Hey, 5 out of 4 people have trouble with math, just sayin'.

[Siberian13]

Hey, 5 out of 4 people have trouble with math, just sayin'.

https://media.tenor.com/images/9033d54803af642b7595c4d82fa2fa1d/tenor.gif

[88horsepower]

What’s going on today? I was just reading an article about that time the Jets filmed NE sideline in 2011. Ah, but they didn’t win a SB. No problem.

I guess math is just too complex.

Anyhow, it seems the narrative is Everyone Does It. Yet, all I’ve heard so far is that two teams in the last ten years got caught that aren’t the Patriots and one of those team was run by Belichick’s right hand man. Maybe another team or two got caught doing it, but that’s far from the narrative that everyone does it.

[blackbears86]

I guess math is just too complex.

Anyhow, it seems the narrative is Everyone Does It. Yet, all I’ve heard so far is that two teams in the last ten years got caught that aren’t the Patriots and one of those team was run by Belichick’s right hand man. Maybe another team or two got caught doing it, but that’s far from the narrative that everyone does it.



Where are people saying everyone does it?


I'm as big a Pats homer as anybody, but I agree if they taped Bengals practicing plays they deserve to get torched.

[blackbears86]

What’s going on today? I was just reading an article about that time the Jets filmed NE sideline in 2011. Ah, but they didn’t win a SB. No problem.



and it was more than 5 years ago, which is some random timeline that 88horsepower has apparently set, so I guess it's ok:D

[blackbears86]

Well, this is awkward.



I'm so embarrassed!:o:o

[88horsepower]

and it was more than 5 years ago, which is some random timeline that 88horsepower has apparently set, so I guess it's ok:D

Pick a timeline. Go ahead.

[blackbears86]

Pick a timeline. Go ahead.



why did you happen to pick 5 years? Not trying to pick a fight. Just seems so.....random.

[88horsepower]

why did you happen to pick 5 years? Not trying to pick a fight. Just seems so.....random.

It was random. Totally arbitrary.

[blackbears86]

It was random. Totally arbitrary.



lol!:coffee:

[88horsepower]

lol!:coffee:

Why does it matter? Pick a time frame you are comfortable with if for some odd reason 5 years isn't your flavor of coffee.

[TimBuckTwo]

While people are saying it makes no sense to film a 1-XX team, it is possible the Patriots want to lock in home field advantage through the playoffs and want to win every game possible.

As well to the people saying, " what is there to see on the sidelines they send in signals via radio", let's think about this, film the sidelines and game, sync clocks with someone intercepting the radio transmissions. I am sure they are not scrambled or encrypted.

[blackbears86]

Why does it matter? Pick a time frame you are comfortable with if for some odd reason 5 years isn't your flavor of coffee.



I think what matters is what's on that 8 minute tape.

Like I said earlier, if it's a bunch of players stretching and coaches twirling their whistles----No biggie.


If the tape shows the Bengals in actual game formations and practicing plays ---then Goodell should throw the book at the Pats.

[JeremyNick]

I think what matters is what's on that 8 minute tape.

Like I said earlier, if it's a bunch of players stretching and coaches twirling their whistles----No biggie.


If the tape shows the Bengals in actual game formations and practicing plays ---then Goodell should throw the book at the Pats.

If I read the report right it was during the game and just the sidelines, coaches and players going on/off the field for 8 minutes.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Nothing to see here, move along. Close this thread down and everybody move along.

[blackbears86]

If I read the report right it was during the game and just the sidelines, coaches and players going on/off the field for 8 minutes.



so basically not much?

[TimBuckTwo]

Still open....

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Fine but remember, the success of the Patriots is God's will. Our glory is preordained. To speak out against our success is to go against God.

[Siberian13]

Fine but remember, the success of the Patriots is God's will. Our glory is preordained. To speak out against our success is to go against God.

Ok I speak out. Not worried

[SirTommyWinAlot]

I get it, how can you be afraid of going to hell if you're already in it?

[JeremyNick]

Fine but remember, the success of the Patriots is God's will. Our glory is preordained. To speak out against our success is to go against God.

Bobby Rubandtug approves this message.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

You know I'm just messin' with you siberian. lol.

[Fenway55]

While people are saying it makes no sense to film a 1-XX team, it is possible the Patriots want to lock in home field advantage through the playoffs and want to win every game possible.It makes no sense to film a 1-12 team, but thanks for the insight that the Patriots would rather win than lose. Brilliant analysis.
As well to the people saying, " what is there to see on the sidelines they send in signals via radio", let's think about this, film the sidelines and game, sync clocks with someone intercepting the radio transmissions. I am sure they are not scrambled or encrypted.Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand another hater shows he doesn't know what he is talking about. The helmet signals are very heavily encrypted.

What do you think they're doing? Broadcasting on 88.9 FM like my in-car Bluetooth player?

[Fenway55]

Fine but remember, the success of the Patriots is God's will.
You're darn right it is. Why do you think he made the sky blue?

[SirTommyWinAlot]

alright i'll keep it strictly to 28-3 jokes. my bad.

[Siberian13]

I get it, how can you be afraid of going to hell if you're already in it?

I don’t believe in your witchcraft sir :)

[SirTommyWinAlot]

You're darn right it is. Why do you think he made the sky blue?

yep and drew bledsoe's injury was an act of God. He had a plan for Tommy and it wasn't for him to sit on the bench for several years before he would get his chance.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

I don’t believe in your witchcraft sir :)

Alright i'm going to come up with a good 28-3 joke. Stay tuned...

[Siberian13]

alright i'll keep it strictly to 28-3 jokes. my bad.

As long as you’re joking and not whining/arguing, I approve. :)!

[SirTommyWinAlot]

ok it'll have to be later. I just back from the gym and my body's tired. I need to lay on the couch and chill for awhile.

and no i'm not whining.:)

[TimBuckTwo]

Is that Linda Ronstadt avatar?

So fine..

[TimBuckTwo]

It makes no sense to film a 1-12 team, but thanks for the insight that the Patriots would rather win than lose. Brilliant analysis.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand another hater shows he doesn't know what he is talking about. The helmet signals are very heavily encrypted.

What do you think they're doing? Broadcasting on 88.9 FM like my in-car Bluetooth player?

What crypto are they using genius?

[Siberian13]

What crypto are they using genius?

litecoin

[JeremyNick]

What crypto are they using genius?

Bitcoin.

They’re heavily encrypted. :confused:
Except when opposing teams get the local radio stations. Somehow those aren’t so heavily encrypted.

[SirTommyWinAlot]

Is that Linda Ronstadt avatar?

So fine..

yep, prettiest singer of all time in my books. Also a great person.

Too bad she's not able to sing anymore.:(

[Whodatiz]

Fine but remember, the success of the Patriots is God's will. Our glory is preordained. To speak out against our success is to go against God.

Shut up already.

[Siberian13]

Shut up already.

You leave Tommy alone you bully!

[HBMC]

As a Pats fan, this pisses me off.


scenario #1: It really is a legitimate mistake: Still makes the Patriots look bad/like cheaters and fuels the haters.

scenario #2: They really were taping the Bengals: makes the Patriots look worse/like cheaters and continues to fuel the haters.


regardless, it bugs me the Pats would even put themselves in this type of position after all that's transpired in the past.

From a pure optics perspective, this will age like milk.

No team has ever been hated more then the patriots. And personally I love it!!


Look at my avatar, now shut your gormless internet sound hole. No one will achieve the polarization of the Dallas Cowboys. Period.

Context matters when you want to rationalize the action. Context, intent or whatever you want to define it as this post is not part of the NFL rules. This is the second time they been caught doing this, there is no rational explanation for why they were videotaping a teams sideline for 8 minutes and, irregardless, they and the videographer knew it was illegal. “Can’t we just delete these and act like it never happened”. So despite the fact that you want deflect (you hate the Patriots) or rationalize (it’s only a problem if we know exactly why they did it) or just talk in circles (we don’t know if they actually did it, they said they did it), it boils down to what they did is against the rules and it’s the second time they broke said rule. Punish them and move on.

Irrespective, or regardless, not both.

[blackbears86]

From a pure optics perspective, this will age like milk.




Look at my avatar, now shut your gormless internet sound hole. No one will achieve the polarization of the Dallas Cowboys. Period.
Irrespective, or regardless, not both.




Umm... No.

If this was the Cowboys that did something like this, the thread would have been done by page 4, tops.

The Cowboys are no longer polarizing, just pathetic.

[Fenway55]

What crypto are they using genius?now now... no need to get all pissy just because I called you out for having no idea what you are talking about. It’s not my fault you showed your own cluelessness when you said “I am sure they are not scrambled or encrypted”.

Article after article after article talks about how the coach headset communications are encrypted, as are the helmet communications to talk to the QB or defensive captain. One of the best quotes I saw was:

“ The NFL has said there are some 268 million different military-grade encryption codes protecting the frequencies. And while security is strict, teams also do their due diligence to protect transmissions.”

[Fenway55]

Umm... No.

If this was the Cowboys that did something like this, the thread would have been done by page 4, tops.

The Cowboys are no longer polarizing, just pathetic.hey the Cowboys have actually won Super Bowls. If you don’t believe, just ask any 30 year old.