Killer Inside: The Mind of Aaron Hernandez

[Gurds]

Just released today on Netflix. Really looking forward to watching this.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11475228/

[hairysasquatch]

Is Urbz in it?

[Soxfanguy]

Tom Brady in it?

[Callmerookies]

3 episodes at an 1hr each... It's Sad what happened to him RIP ( and I'm saying it now you can disagree with me but don't reply to my comment with no dumb &+#€

[Callmerookies]

Cuz most of yall on this site be bull %#+^ 24/7 n got nothing better to do than troll

[Noles939913]

Cuz most of yall on this site be bull %#+^ 24/7 n got nothing better to do than troll

https://media3.giphy.com/media/wVcNP3TnXbl84/giphy.gif

Are you having some form of mental breakdown?

[jlzinck]

3 episodes at an 1hr each... It's Sad what happened to him RIP ( and I'm saying it now you can disagree with me but don't reply to my comment with no dumb &+#€

Cuz most of yall on this site be bull %#+^ 24/7 n got nothing better to do than troll

You're an angry little fella aren't you?

Hernandez was a scumbag gangbanger killer.

If he didn't have athletic prowess he probably would have died sooner.

[Siberian13]

3 episodes at an 1hr each... It's Sad what happened to him RIP ( and I'm saying it now you can disagree with me but don't reply to my comment with no dumb &+#€

Cuz most of yall on this site be bull %#+^ 24/7 n got nothing better to do than troll

He was a POS. It's actually sad what happened to everyone he hurt. You're not a smart man/woman and this is coming from me, which is not a good look. :)

[ATLOTP]

As far as murder is concerned, he doesn't hold a candle to the GOAT, the juice man.

[Siberian13]

As far as murder is concerned, he doesn't hold a candle to the GOAT, the juice man.

He has more bodies than OJ

[awz50]

Cuz most of yall on this site be bull %#+^ 24/7 n got nothing better to do than troll

Collapse of the mind

[Soxfanguy]

He has more bodies than OJ

depends if you count the Boston double murder or not

[mortatort]

I don’t know his whole story in detail but am completely open to learning, whether it be sympathetic or not. A person can be both a victim and a criminal, which I suspect he was both. I can appreciate that sort of duality in life. That said, once you’re an adult and sane enough to keep up with a high profile job there’s little room for defending a murderer. But like I said, I’m open to learning and look forward to watching this.

[Noles939913]

I don’t know his whole story in detail but am completely open to learning, whether it be sympathetic or not. A person can be both a victim and a criminal, which I suspect he was both. I can appreciate that sort of duality in life. That said, once you’re an adult and sane enough to keep up with a high profile job there’s little room for defending a murderer. But like I said, I’m open to learning and look forward to watching this.

A victim of what exactly? He came from a normal middle class family and didn’t decide to turn into a street thug until his dad died when he was in high school. I believe his brother is still a high school football coach.

[Soxfanguy]

A victim of what exactly? He came from a normal middle class family and didn’t decide to turn into a street thug until his dad died when he was in high school. I believe his brother is still a high school football coach.

I thought he was abused as a kid?

[Noles939913]

I thought he was abused as a kid?

Probably the story this documentary will try to paint. Because like Chris Rock said “you can’t be just straight crazy these days”. They all have to have some sob story about why they’re the way they are.

[Soxfanguy]

I think he's a bad guy. When did Tom Brady ever kill anybody?

[mortatort]

A victim of what exactly? He came from a normal middle class family and didn’t decide to turn into a street thug until his dad died when he was in high school. I believe his brother is still a high school football coach.

The trailer mentions his father’s violent outbursts. I’m not making any big claims one way or another.

[Siberian13]

I think he's a bad guy. When did Tom Brady ever kill anybody?

Falcons fans :(

[Soxfanguy]

Falcons fans :(

I thought that was Ray Lewis?

[Siberian13]

I thought that was Ray Lewis?

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[Soxfanguy]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/XsUtdIeJ0MWMo/giphy.gif

I know 28-3

[mortatort]

Falcons fans :(

Lol! This is true!

I was a falcons fan since the 80’s until that day. We’ve basically been watching that 2nd half choke for decades, they finally perfected it and now there’s no reason to even watch them, IMO. Now I’m just a floater fan and this year it’s 9ers :D

[49erRCCollector]

Lol! This is true!

I was a falcons fan since the 80’s until that day. We’ve basically been watching that 2nd half choke for decades, they finally perfected it and now there’s no reason to even watch them, IMO. Now I’m just a floater fan and this year it’s 9ers :D

We welcome you with open arms.

[Bassplayah101]

I have zero motivation to watch this.

His name, his story and everything about him has no value to me and Im not interesting in listening to one or more psychologists who read a thousand books about human behavior to tell me what I already know, or tell me how many problems he had in life, boo friggin hoo..

He was a murderer and a bully thug that did not value his life or the life or any other human being.

Good riddance.

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[Whodatiz]

Cuz most of yall on this site be bull %#+^ 24/7 n got nothing better to do than troll

IP check on aisle PBM.

[shayscards79]

Not very interested in a documentary about Hitmandez

[airfawkies2]

Soon as im done watching the last of these also just released episodes of "the circle" ill be watchin. Can't believe im watching this shyt right now..someone just do the right thing here and cut off my netflix b4 its too late..



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[mortatort]

Soon as im done watching the last of these also just released episodes of "the circle" ill be watchin. Can't believe im watching this shyt right now..someone just do the right thing here and cut off my netflix b4 its too late..




I know you probably didn’t mean anything by it, but you might consider not using images like that online. You’d be surprised how many people have lost loved ones to gun related suicide and those sorts of jokes/images can be very disturbing for them. I had no idea how common it was until... well you can figure it out.

Again, I fully understand that most people aren’t meaning to cause anyone distress, but it does.

[smanzari]

Soon as im done watching the last of these also just released episodes of "the circle" ill be watchin. Can't believe im watching this shyt right now..someone just do the right thing here and cut off my netflix b4 its too late..

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This made me LOL; yea I watch that crap too

[majestik101]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/jSxK33dwEMbkY/giphy.gif?cid=349c9dd748999dce07eb868365d68016c1a53025bab5066c&rid=giphy.gif

Reported. :)

[Whodatiz]

I know you probably didn’t mean anything by it, but you might consider not using images like that online. You’d be surprised how many people have lost loved ones to gun related suicide and those sorts of jokes/images can be very disturbing for them. I had no idea how common it was until... well you can figure it out.

Again, I fully understand that most people aren’t meaning to cause anyone distress, but it does.

It's a gif. Grow up.

[mortatort]

It’s just a polite suggestion. Wasn’t vilifying anyone or being rude about it.

[Noles939913]

I know you probably didn’t mean anything by it, but you might consider not using images like that online. You’d be surprised how many people have lost loved ones to gun related suicide and those sorts of jokes/images can be very disturbing for them. I had no idea how common it was until... well you can figure it out.

Again, I fully understand that most people aren’t meaning to cause anyone distress, but it does.

I once tripped and fell down at a Grateful Dead concert. Your avatar makes me relive that terrible day and causes me great pain and anguish. Please change it. Thank you.

[Cyphon25]

I know you probably didn’t mean anything by it, but you might consider not using images like that online. You’d be surprised how many people have lost loved ones to gun related suicide and those sorts of jokes/images can be very disturbing for them. I had no idea how common it was until... well you can figure it out.

Again, I fully understand that most people aren’t meaning to cause anyone distress, but it does.

I really hope you are trolling with this.

[no10pin]

I know you probably didn’t mean anything by it, but you might consider not using images like that online. You’d be surprised how many people have lost loved ones to gun related suicide and those sorts of jokes/images can be very disturbing for them. I had no idea how common it was until... well you can figure it out.

Again, I fully understand that most people aren’t meaning to cause anyone distress, but it does.

It was a clip from a network TV comedy. Not everything is a thing.

[airfawkies2]

I know you probably didn’t mean anything by it, but you might consider not using images like that online. You’d be surprised how many people have lost loved ones to gun related suicide and those sorts of jokes/images can be very disturbing for them. I had no idea how common it was until... well you can figure it out.



Again, I fully understand that most people aren’t meaning to cause anyone distress, but it does.

I understand n nvr thought bout it b4. Thx i will remember this in the future..no bs

[Siberian13]

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-08/14/16/enhanced/webdr13/anigif_enhanced-685-1439583207-17.gif

[ninjacookies]

In.


I think it's fair to wonder exactly how much CTE and brain trauma can play a role in these extreme cases. Was AHern a scumbag that committed unforgivable atrocities? Absolutely. Could possible severe CTE have steered an already troubled youth down the path of homicidal tendencies? Perhaps.

It's hard for me to believe Chris Benoit was a premeditated murderer most of his life. Anyone who's been around someone in the advanced stages of dementia knows how perplexing and downright scary it can be. The mind is the most powerful weapon, especially when/if it's eroded.

[airfawkies2]

agreed...fair to say the leastIn.


I think it's fair to wonder exactly how much CTE and brain trauma can play a role in these extreme cases. Was AHern a scumbag that committed unforgivable atrocities? Absolutely. Could possible severe CTE have steered an already troubled youth down the path of homicidal tendencies? Perhaps.

It's hard for me to believe Chris Benoit was a premeditated murderer most of his life. Anyone who's been around someone in the advanced stages of dementia knows how perplexing and downright scary it can be. The mind is the most powerful weapon, especially when/if it's eroded.

[Whodatiz]

I understand n nvr thought bout it b4. Thx i will remember this in the future..no bs

Weak.

[mortatort]

I understand n nvr thought bout it b4. Thx i will remember this in the future..no bs

I totally get it. I hadn’t ever thought about it either. Thanks for not taking offense.

[airfawkies2]

Weak.Meh. There was a time where i would have ranted about pc police etc but i don't even bother anymore..besides i knew what he was TRYING to say. Obviously he got called out in the past for being insensitive accidentally to someone who had lost someone.. at least I think that's what he meant. so he was just throwing out a bit of advice no harm no foul in this case and by the way same thing has happened to me. Sort of

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[Whodatiz]

Meh. There was a time where i would have ranted about pc police etc but i don't even bother anymore..besides i knew what he was TRYING to say. Obviously he got called out in the past for being insensitive accidentally to someone who had lost someone.. at least I think that's what he meant. so he was just throwing out a bit of advice no harm no foul in this case and by the way same thing has happened to me. Sort of

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It's a gif from a sitcom. Don't take it seriously.

[Whodatiz]

I once tripped and fell down at a Grateful Dead concert. Your avatar makes me relive that terrible day and causes me great pain and anguish. Please change it. Thank you.

Eh. Being a Grateful Dead fan is offensive enough.

I had the unfortunate opportunity of attending a Bob Dylan & Grateful Dead concert years ago.

Worst concert I have ever attended in my life. I couldn't understand a word Bob Dylan was saying & the Grateful Dead were awful.

[airfawkies2]

It's a gif from a sitcom. Don't take it seriously.I didn't.

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[mortatort]

Meh. There was a time where i would have ranted about pc police etc but i don't even bother anymore..besides i knew what he was TRYING to say. Obviously he got called out in the past for being insensitive accidentally to someone who had lost someone.. at least I think that's what he meant. so he was just throwing out a bit of advice no harm no foul in this case and by the way same thing has happened to me. Sort of

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I’ll explain in a little more detail where I was coming from and then I’ll dip out of this thread and people can either understand, be sarcastic, whatever it’s all good. I’ve taken worse from better. Wasn’t really planning on it but it’s cool, I don’t mind.

My little brother took his own life with a gun 8 years ago next month. For a good while those common innocuous references similar to that gif had an effect on me that made me sick to my stomach and it would take a few minutes or an hour or whatever to shake it off. I never blamed the people that used the joke, they were just trying to convey frustration in whatever it was they were doing at the time. Also after it happened like 20 different people that I knew or worked with came to me to tell me that they had lost their brother, sister, mother etc in the same way and I was amazed at how many. In doing a little research on the subject I learned that more than half of all gun violence in the US is suicide. That really kind of put it in perspective for me. Among those there are many police officers, military and other highly respected folks that had turned to the same desperation. I don’t have quite that same visceral reaction that I used to but there’s still a tinge of it when I randomly run into that sort of joke and it instantly brings up that image. It’s not a PC thing or a virtue signaling thing. It’s just a matter of maybe being a little more aware of what an innocent joke might make other people instantly come back to in their minds, whether it happened to their loved one last week or last decade.

[Siberian13]

Eh. Being a Grateful Dead fan is offensive enough.

I had the unfortunate opportunity of attending a Bob Dylan & Grateful Dead concert years ago.

Worst concert I have ever attended in my life. I couldn't understand a word Bob Dylan was saying & the Grateful Dead were awful.

People like Justin Beebs too. For some reason people like bad music. We all like bad music to somebody.

[Archangel1775]

3 episodes at an 1hr each... It's Sad what happened to him RIP ( and I'm saying it now you can disagree with me but don't reply to my comment with no dumb &+#€

Cuz most of yall on this site be bull %#+^ 24/7 n got nothing better to do than troll

Peace be with you.

[mortatort]

Eh. Being a Grateful Dead fan is offensive enough.

I had the unfortunate opportunity of attending a Bob Dylan & Grateful Dead concert years ago.

Worst concert I have ever attended in my life. I couldn't understand a word Bob Dylan was saying & the Grateful Dead were awful.

Was it The Dead tour in about 2002 or 2003 by chance? If so that was pretty much the worst show I’ve ever seen too. Sound was horrible and couldn’t even tell what song they were playing for most of the show. I even tried moving around the arena to find a good listening spot but it was just too awful. The one I was at was in Tampa. Uncharacteristic of the dead to have such awful sound, but yes it was absolutely horrid.

[Archangel1775]

I see someone mentioned the relationship between brain injury and murdering people. I'm having a hard time believing this. How many retired football players have committed premeditated murder on multiple people? The vast majority of the time, they go down a path of self destruction ending their own lives. These were choices he made and I'll be honest, his IQ doesn't seem to be very high. Seemingly, his attitude and the influence of people he surrounded himself with brought him down the path he chose.

[Noles939913]

I’ll explain in a little more detail where I was coming from and then I’ll dip out of this thread and people can either understand, be sarcastic, whatever it’s all good. I’ve taken worse from better. Wasn’t really planning on it but it’s cool, I don’t mind.

My little brother took his own life with a gun 8 years ago next month. For a good while those common innocuous references similar to that gif had an effect on me that made me sick to my stomach and it would take a few minutes or an hour or whatever to shake it off. I never blamed the people that used the joke, they were just trying to convey frustration in whatever it was they were doing at the time. Also after it happened like 20 different people that I knew or worked with came to me to tell me that they had lost their brother, sister, mother etc in the same way and I was amazed at how many. In doing a little research on the subject I learned that more than half of all gun violence in the US is suicide. That really kind of put it in perspective for me. Among those there are many police officers, military and other highly respected folks that had turned to the same desperation. I don’t have quite that same visceral reaction that I used to but there’s still a tinge of it when I randomly run into that sort of joke and it instantly brings up that image. It’s not a PC thing or a virtue signaling thing. It’s just a matter of maybe being a little more aware of what an innocent joke might make other people instantly come back to in their minds, whether it happened to their loved one last week or last decade.

I still can’t tell if this is serious or not.

Do you refuse to watch movies or television in the off chance you might see a gun or someone pretending their finger is a gun since it’d trigger a panic attack or breakdown or whatever you wanna call it?

[Whodatiz]

Was it The Dead tour in about 2002 or 2003 by chance? If so that was pretty much the worst show I’ve ever seen too. Sound was horrible and couldn’t even tell what song they were playing for most of the show. I even tried moving around the arena to find a good listening spot but it was just too awful. The one I was at was in Tampa. Uncharacteristic of the dead to have such awful sound, but yes it was absolutely horrid.

Yep. That was it. It was at our esteemed Lakewood Amphitheatre here in Atlanta.

[hairysasquatch]

I see someone mentioned the relationship between brain injury and murdering people. I'm having a hard time believing this. How many retired football players have committed premeditated murder on multiple people? The vast majority of the time, they go down a path of self destruction ending their own lives. These were choices he made and I'll be honest, his IQ doesn't seem to be very high. Seemingly, his attitude and the influence of people he surrounded himself with brought him down the path he chose.

Well, one comes to mind...:coffee:

[ATLOTP]

He has more bodies than OJ

It's not about body count, it's about beating the case. He beat the case! He's the GOAT!

[airfawkies2]

It's not about body count, it's about beating the case. He beat the case! He's the GOAT!He did do that..even made them change the law. Well not him but his victims family made them change it.

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[Soxfanguy]

He did do that..even made them change the law. Well not him but his victims family made them change it.

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What did they change?

[airfawkies2]

What did they change?Well the law was in the state of Massachusetts if you die while you are appealing a murder conviction your conviction gets thrown out well they changed that law

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[ninjacookies]

I see someone mentioned the relationship between brain injury and murdering people. I'm having a hard time believing this. How many retired football players have committed premeditated murder on multiple people? The vast majority of the time, they go down a path of self destruction ending their own lives. These were choices he made and I'll be honest, his IQ doesn't seem to be very high. Seemingly, his attitude and the influence of people he surrounded himself with brought him down the path he chose.

Murdering people is an extreme case. And it's not necessarily murdering others, but yourself...basically making extremely irrational decisions that were not prevalent before such injuries. Also see: Junior Seau. Obviously it's never as simple as black or white. I'd say majority of people are not predisposed to murderous or deathly thoughts. But if you combine the right amount of depression with the right amount of angst and mix them with the right brain trauma and/or drugs...it could be that extra nip that pushes someone already on the cusp over the edge.

Did we not read Larry Johnson's little memoir? Pretty scary.

[lionsfan20]

One episode in and it's pretty interesting so far. I knew very little about Hernandez and this case so I am learning a lot. Still can't believe someone would kill 2 people right before signing a 40 million dollar contract. Unbelievable.

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[airfawkies2]

One episode in and it's pretty interesting so far. I knew very little about Hernandez and this case so I am learning a lot. Still can't believe someone would kill 2 people right before signing a 40 million dollar contract. Unbelievable.

Sent from my SM-G950U using TapatalkNetflix does the best documentary series

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[lionsfan20]

Netflix does the best documentary series

Sent from my LM-Q720 using TapatalkI agree. They did a great job as usual.

Had to binge watch it all. My initial reaction is that the whole situation all around is just extremely sad. Obviously I feel bad for the families of the victims but crazy enough I really feel bad for Aaron and his family as well especially his daughter. Which was not something I expected.

On a side note. Even though every team has their issues and likely would have handled the situation similarly. I still got a gross feeling in my stomach regarding the way the patriots handled the whole thing.

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[r0yals2012]

There is also a special on investigation discovery a 3 night event starting on Monday it’s called Aaron Hernandez Mind of a Monster

[houdini]

Cuz most of yall on this site be bull %#+^ 24/7 n got nothing better to do than troll


You might as well wear a sign. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1302413

[Archangel1775]

Cuz most of yall on this site be bull %#+^ 24/7 n got nothing better to do than troll

You might as well wear a sign. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1302413

Yeah, the only sense that guys comment made was "give me attention".....so attention was given....with a hammer! :)

[Noles939913]

You might as well wear a sign. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1302413

Holy moly this was the “worth $700” guy?!?

[callou2131]

Just watched the 1st episode. Going in I knew nothing of the case, or him. All I knew was he was a football player that was convicted of murder. I actually find it pretty interesting. They arent blaming anyone yet. I was really surprised that he was gay, because I did know that he had a daughter. Also his mom is a scumbag. On to episode 2.

[lionsfan20]

Just watched the 1st episode. Going in I knew nothing of the case, or him. All I knew was he was a football player that was convicted of murder. I actually find it pretty interesting. They arent blaming anyone yet. I was really surprised that he was gay, because I did know that he had a daughter. Also his mom is a scumbag. On to episode 2.I was surprised about him being gay or bisexual as well. I assumed that was just typical prison sex rumors. His mom is a real piece of work and only gets worse as time goes on. I have no doubt that losing his father and having her as a mother are main reasons he became the man he was.

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[AnthonyCorona]

Haven’t watched it yet but sounds like everyone likes it. I really feel bad for his daughter in all this


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[Brian48]

I actually didn't think this was a great documentary. Thought in some places they were just adding stuff on. Also thought they left out a lot of the negative stuff with the family during his formative years.

For those who are interested in hearing more about the Hernandez case, what happened, and some of the stuff that led to it, I thought the True Crime Guys podcast did a great job of it.

https://truecrimelasvegas.podbean.com/?s=aaron+hernandez

[Siberian13]

Watched it. His mother comes off has a terrible person as well. Not a good look for her.

[Copeskey45]

I'll probably give it a watch tonight or tomorrow

[callou2131]

Finished it. It was OK. His mother is a scumbag, His fiance is a scumbag for getting rid of the murder weapon, I have no doubt he killed those 2 in Boston, and shot that one guy in the head. The only real victim in his family is the daughter.

[49erRCCollector]

I’ll explain in a little more detail where I was coming from and then I’ll dip out of this thread and people can either understand, be sarcastic, whatever it’s all good. I’ve taken worse from better. Wasn’t really planning on it but it’s cool, I don’t mind.

My little brother took his own life with a gun 8 years ago next month. For a good while those common innocuous references similar to that gif had an effect on me that made me sick to my stomach and it would take a few minutes or an hour or whatever to shake it off. I never blamed the people that used the joke, they were just trying to convey frustration in whatever it was they were doing at the time. Also after it happened like 20 different people that I knew or worked with came to me to tell me that they had lost their brother, sister, mother etc in the same way and I was amazed at how many. In doing a little research on the subject I learned that more than half of all gun violence in the US is suicide. That really kind of put it in perspective for me. Among those there are many police officers, military and other highly respected folks that had turned to the same desperation. I don’t have quite that same visceral reaction that I used to but there’s still a tinge of it when I randomly run into that sort of joke and it instantly brings up that image. It’s not a PC thing or a virtue signaling thing. It’s just a matter of maybe being a little more aware of what an innocent joke might make other people instantly come back to in their minds, whether it happened to their loved one last week or last decade.

Sorry to hear this happened. Sorry for your loss.

[whoshotjr]

I see someone mentioned the relationship between brain injury and murdering people. I'm having a hard time believing this. How many retired football players have committed premeditated murder on multiple people? The vast majority of the time, they go down a path of self destruction ending their own lives. These were choices he made and I'll be honest, his IQ doesn't seem to be very high. Seemingly, his attitude and the influence of people he surrounded himself with brought him down the path he chose.

In his case I think CTE could be a bit of a cop-out. As far as retired players, I think their actions might include CTE, but what gets shoved aside to also include a bunch of rather abrupt/jarring lifestyle changes that happen after pro football:

- no longer day-to-day with your teammates who were your life
- less structured life style or too much free time
- depression
- finding a job that they enjoy or a job at all
- paycheck that is almost nothing compared to playing days and/or needing to reign in their lifestyle financially
- spending time with a spouse that you realize you don't know as well as you should
- dealing with pain and/or drug addictions related to pain

[Mister2Bits]

I can't get myself to watch it. Aaron was such a big part of the Gators National Title run. I knew he was a trouble maker at the time, but never in a million years did I think he was capable of doing what he did. I rooted for him. I cheered for him. I remember what I felt like when I first heard he was a suspect in a murder. I remember how angry I was at him when he was sent to prison. I remember how sad I was when I heard he killed himself.

Still hard to believe after all these years.

[airfawkies2]

In his case I think CTE could be a bit of a cop-out.

They said something like..he had the worst case of cte for his age according to whomever was the lead researcher of cte etc etc . i dunno

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[ninjacookies]

It's not a cop out. It's called a potentially (and very real) contributing factor to extreme, irrational choices.


Robin Williams took his own life and it was later revealed he had lewd body dimentia. It's easy for the outside world that people deem 'normal' to assess the actions of individuals that may be functioning with augmented mental capacities.

[lionsfan20]

In his case I think CTE could be a bit of a cop-out. As far as retired players, I think their actions might include CTE, but what gets shoved aside to also include a bunch of rather abrupt/jarring lifestyle changes that happen after pro football:



- no longer day-to-day with your teammates who were your life

- less structured life style or too much free time

- depression

- finding a job that they enjoy or a job at all

- paycheck that is almost nothing compared to playing days and/or needing to reign in their lifestyle financially

- spending time with a spouse that you realize you don't know as well as you should

- dealing with pain and/or drug addictions related to painSo I take it you did not watch it?? I'm not saying cte caused him to murder people. That was due to many other factors throughout his life. However his CTE was very bad. As the last poster mentioned it was one of the worst cases they have seen. Worse than many retired veterans. The part of the brain most damaged was the portion of the brain that controls decision making. So I'm guessing this played a part in his temper and rash decision making.

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[mortatort]

Just finished watching. To me his story and behavior fits both the CTE narrative and the sociopath/raised hard/abused narrative very well. It's only a guessing game which contributed more. I found myself both sympathetic and non-sympathetic while watching. Sympathetic for his childhood and not sympathetic for his adulthood, mostly. I can see CTE being a contributing factor for the horrible behavior but not for the lack of remorse afterward.

[HeadstrongRSS]

Just finished watching. To me his story and behavior fits both the CTE narrative and the sociopath/raised hard/abused narrative very well. It's only a guessing game which contributed more. I found myself both sympathetic and non-sympathetic while watching. Sympathetic for his childhood and not sympathetic for his adulthood, mostly. I can see CTE being a contributing factor for the horrible behavior but not for the lack of remorse afterward.

As someone who is super interested in psychopathy and sociopathy, I agree 100% with this. He had this m in him, it's in his DNA. Usually when you combine that with a childhood that had violence and then add head trauma, you get a sociopath capable and willing to murder.

[gmarutiak]

Finished watching it last night. I normally enjoy Netflix documentary shows, but I found this one to be pretty boring. Most NFL fans already know most, if not all, or the information that is brought up in this show.

A buddy of mine has watched the Hernandez documentary on Hulu and the one on Netflix and he said the one on Hulu is much better.

[packfan15412]

I’m one episode in... If you don’t think losing your father at 16-17 years of age and then having your mom banging your cousins husband months later in your fathers bed mess you up you’re not right. I work in education at the middle school level and some of the home lives these kids have are brutal. There’s no way out! For instance we have a 12 year old who does drugs at home with her dad and has been on birth control since she was in 5th grade tell me how you’re ever going to get out of that? Every time I talk to her she’s empty... no emotion no care in the world for anything. Gives no crap about her future or what she’s doing to her body... she’s 12.


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[Noles939913]

I’m one episode in... If you don’t think losing your father at 16-17 years of age and then having your mom banging your cousins husband months later in your fathers bed mess you up you’re not right. I work in education at the middle school level and some of the home lives these kids have are brutal. There’s no way out! For instance we have a 12 year old who does drugs at home with her dad and has been on birth control since she was in 5th grade tell me how you’re ever going to get out of that? Every time I talk to her she’s empty... no emotion no care in the world for anything. Gives no crap about her future or what she’s doing to her body... she’s 12.


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Okay I get your sob story but Hernandez actually murdered people rough childhood or not. At least he’s not a burden on society anymore which is probably the useful thing he ever did off the football field.

[packfan15412]

Sob story? It’s just the truth. I’m not saying he was innocent or anything just saying stuff like that messes people up at a young age... just a sad story overall.

Okay I get your sob story but Hernandez actually murdered people rough childhood or not. At least he’s not a burden on society anymore which is probably the useful thing he ever did off the football field.






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[airfawkies2]

I’m one episode in... If you don’t think losing your father at 16-17 years of age and then having your mom banging your cousins husband months later in your fathers bed mess you up you’re not right. I work in education at the middle school level and some of the home lives these kids have are brutal. There’s no way out! For instance we have a 12 year old who does drugs at home with her dad and has been on birth control since she was in 5th grade tell me how you’re ever going to get out of that? Every time I talk to her she’s empty... no emotion no care in the world for anything. Gives no crap about her future or what she’s doing to her body... she’s 12.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAnd to hear him calling her out on it through the prison audio tapes adamantly telling her how bad she f***** him up speaks volumes

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[Noles939913]

Sob story? It’s just the truth. I’m not saying he was innocent or anything just saying stuff like that messes people up at a young age... just a sad story overall.








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Okay and plenty of people have had it way worse than Hernandez and never harmed anyone. Let’s not act like a rough childhood single handedly leads people to murder.

[mortatort]

Okay and plenty of people have had it way worse than Hernandez and never harmed anyone. Let’s not act like a rough childhood single handedly leads people to murder.

Nobody has said that.

[Noles939913]

Nobody has said that.

Why’s everyone acting so sympathetic towards his childhood then? He deserved his “terrible” childhood in a retroactive sense in my opinion. Did his brother not have the same childhood? He’s not running around like a lunatic killing people.

[jasonm2121]

The doc is very interesting. Had no idea he was having sex with his HS QB, and the aunt thing with his mom is wild as well. What a mess.

[Krissy7]

I finished watching the series yesterday. Learned a lot because I hadn't followed his case or backstory all that closely. They certainly threw out every possible "reason" behind why he may have turned out to be the person he was....parenting issues,abuse,death of father, lack of supervision, substance abuse, shame, pressure to perform on the field, paranoia, CTE, etc.... No one will ever know which one or combination of factors was the culprit, or why he was unable to overcome his adversities like some people can and take full advantage of the opportunities his talents provided him. They even tried to blame the Patriots because they refused his request to trade him and instead connected him with a realtor who apparently ended up helping him get his "flop house" rental. I found the audio recordings of the phone conversations while he was in prison the most interesting and revealing into his frame of mind and how he was treated and thought of by his family.

[packfan15412]

Dude no one is acting sympathetic towards him or giving him a “pass” for murdering people but just stating that it messes people up... it’s like a gateway drug... it opens the door for him to start experimenting and trying different things which eventually lead to his criminal activities. It’s not like everyone with a crap childhood never gets out of it... or everyone with a great childhood doesn’t commit a crime. But the chances are extremely higher for someone to commit crimes when they come from childhoods like that. Look up all the serial killers... many came from some sort of traumatic event or terrible childhood

Why’s everyone acting so sympathetic towards his childhood then? He deserved his “terrible” childhood in a retroactive sense in my opinion. Did his brother not have the same childhood? He’s not running around like a lunatic killing people.






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[jmarascojr]

His mom was a real POS, between banging the cousin's boyfriend and then moving him in to trying to get his money when he was in jail...

"I told you give me a million when you signed and I'd be good for life" (yeah right).

The having sex with/dating the HS QB friend was a surprise as well...

[JWBlue]

If I watch it will my opinion of him change?

[Antoniow11]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/wVcNP3TnXbl84/giphy.gif

Are you having some form of mental breakdown?

Ahahahahaahahahahahahaha

[airfawkies2]

If I watch it will my opinion of him change?Nah

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[lionsfan20]

If I watch it will my opinion of him change?My opinion of him didnt change I just understand a lot better now why and how it all happened.

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[babyfaceposey]

May his body burn in hell for eternity.

[xbignick]

Just watched all three parts and it seems there's not much new information and it was spaced out way too long with irrelevant people commenting. The lady for example in part 1 who said the first thing she did was ask who Aaron Hernandez was...why was she given any screen time?

Would have been a good one hour special.

[KevJo]

Watching episode 1 right now.

Kevin

[ninjacookies]

As someone who is super interested in psychopathy and sociopathy, I agree 100% with this. He had this m in him, it's in his DNA. Usually when you combine that with a childhood that had violence and then add head trauma, you get a sociopath capable and willing to murder.

You believe some people were born inherently evil?

Not a diss...just curious.


It's an interesting topic. I don't know what to think, to be honest. But I do know upbringings can shape a lot of who a person is later in life. That's why they call it your formative years. Particular early events are also typically what help develop fetishes.

No, growing up in an effed up environment doesn't mean you have to develop into a person that perpetuates the cycle...though some people deal with adversity differently than others, have varying levels of sensitivity, or have a smaller coping capacity.

Does anyone honestly think Michael Jackson's upbringing didn't have anything to do with his actions later in life (regardless if the allegations were true)? And why is it that he, out of all his siblings, seemingly fell off the deep end of the eccentricity spectrum more than the others? Why did most of them choose to butcher their faces and go under the knife repeatedly? Self hatred from the constant physical appearance put downs given by their abusive father?

It's difficult to apply blanket statements when it comes to mental health and the actions that result from it...each case can be wildly different with an infinite number of factors.

[mortatort]

You believe some people were born inherently evil?

Not a diss...just curious.


It's an interesting topic. I don't know what to think, to be honest. But I do know upbringings can shape a lot of who a person is later in life. That's why they call it your formative years. Particular early events are also typically what help develop fetishes.

No, growing up in an effed up environment doesn't mean you have to develop into a person that perpetuates the cycle...though some people deal with adversity differently than others, have varying levels of sensitivity, or have a smaller coping capacity.

Does anyone honestly think Michael Jackson's upbringing didn't have anything to do with his actions later in life (regardless if the allegations were true)? And why is it that he, out of all his siblings, seemingly fell off the deep end of the eccentricity spectrum more than the others? Why did most of them choose to butcher their faces and go under the knife repeatedly? Self hatred from the constant physical appearance put downs given by their abusive father?

It's difficult to apply blanket statements when it comes to mental health and the actions that result from it...each case can be wildly different with an infinite number of factors.


I think it’s possible for a child to be a sociopath with a normal upbringing. There was a kid in my town that murdered his mother last year after an argument about grades. He buried her on a nearby church property and made up a story to feed the cops and had no remorse about what he had done. I personally know his uncle and coached little league with him. Maybe there’s something I don’t know but from all accounts the kid had a normal upbringing and it was a total shocker. The kid was like 14 or 15 at the time.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news-journalonline.com/news/20181115/gregory-ramos-debary-teen-accused-of-killing-mother-indicted-as-adult%3ftemplate=ampart

[Siberian13]

I think it’s possible for a child to be a sociopath with a normal upbringing. There was a kid in my town that murdered his mother last year after an argument about grades. He buried her on a nearby church property and made up a story to feed the cops and had no remorse about what he had done. I personally know his uncle and coached little league with him. Maybe there’s something I don’t know but from all accounts the kid had a normal upbringing and it was a total shocker. The kid was like 14 or 15 at the time.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news-journalonline.com/news/20181115/gregory-ramos-debary-teen-accused-of-killing-mother-indicted-as-adult%3ftemplate=ampart

If you’re not there with him in that house, you know nothing about his upbringing. Things can always look normal from the outside looking in.

[Siberian13]

May his body burn in hell for eternity.

Sounds pretty crazy. Hernandez was a believer

[mortatort]

If you’re not there with him in that house, you know nothing about his upbringing. Things can always look normal from the outside looking in.

Absolutely. Most of the time family members would have some idea if bad stuff is going down but not always. In this case, and as far as I know, there was nothing to suggest a bad upbringing but you’re correct in that anything is possible. Wild case though. Police said that after his fake story fell apart he was bragging about how he had done it and that he should win an award for his performance.

[notfast]

The having sex with/dating the HS QB friend was a surprise as well...

This guy and his dad weren't very believable IMO

[HeadstrongRSS]

You believe some people were born inherently evil?

Not a diss...just curious.


It's an interesting topic. I don't know what to think, to be honest. But I do know upbringings can shape a lot of who a person is later in life. That's why they call it your formative years. Particular early events are also typically what help develop fetishes.

No, growing up in an effed up environment doesn't mean you have to develop into a person that perpetuates the cycle...though some people deal with adversity differently than others, have varying levels of sensitivity, or have a smaller coping capacity.

Does anyone honestly think Michael Jackson's upbringing didn't have anything to do with his actions later in life (regardless if the allegations were true)? And why is it that he, out of all his siblings, seemingly fell off the deep end of the eccentricity spectrum more than the others? Why did most of them choose to butcher their faces and go under the knife repeatedly? Self hatred from the constant physical appearance put downs given by their abusive father?

It's difficult to apply blanket statements when it comes to mental health and the actions that result from it...each case can be wildly different with an infinite number of factors.

No, I dont for the most part. There are thousands upon thousands of "psychopaths" out there, many of whom lead productive lives. Some end up in prison, but many are CEOs, lawyers, police, surgeons, etc. They're typically popular, funny, driven, engaging people. Psychopathy really just has to do with an emotional detachment that makes someone capable of doing bad. They have no remorse and are not capable of remorse. They just arent wired to feel for others, but learn to fake it along life to advance their own interests.

That's why they estimate the greatest concentration of non-incarcerated psychopaths is fortune 500 CEOs. It takes a lack of empathy to cut jobs for shareholder dividend or your own bonus. That's extremely valuable for these companies.

About 1 in 100 men have psychopathy. Estimates are somewhere around a million in the US. Those aren't all killers. BUT, when you combine this condition with a traumatic or violent upbringing, or brain injury, they become capable of unimaginable evil. I think that's where he ended up.

Capable of it + bad and violent childhood + CTE = triple homicide perpetrator.

[KevJo]

Sounds pretty crazy. Hernandez was a believer

If one believes in Christ Jesus and acknowledges/believes in the Kingdom of Heaven existing yet commits Murder he or she must know eternal damnation is the result going by the commands/scriptures.

However, no human can ever quantify or measure the mercy Christ Jesus offers. Thus not for us to condemn or admonish nor condone, that is up to the all Mighty and the all Mighty alone.

Anywho.

Kevin

[KevJo]

This guy and his dad weren't very believable IMO

That part/angle was something I did not fully believe. Might have something of happened when they were younger? Maybe, does that mean he lived the rest of his life in the closet? Not necessarily. But you could sense that was what they were implying.

Kevin

[ninjacookies]

No, I dont for the most part. There are thousands upon thousands of "psychopaths" out there, many of whom lead productive lives. Some end up in prison, but many are CEOs, lawyers, police, surgeons, etc. They're typically popular, funny, driven, engaging people. Psychopathy really just has to do with an emotional detachment that makes someone capable of doing bad. They have no remorse and are not capable of remorse. They just arent wired to feel for others, but learn to fake it along life to advance their own interests.

That's why they estimate the greatest concentration of non-incarcerated psychopaths is fortune 500 CEOs. It takes a lack of empathy to cut jobs for shareholder dividend or your own bonus. That's extremely valuable for these companies.

About 1 in 100 men have psychopathy. Estimates are somewhere around a million in the US. Those aren't all killers. BUT, when you combine this condition with a traumatic or violent upbringing, or brain injury, they become capable of unimaginable evil. I think that's where he ended up.

Capable of it + bad and violent childhood + CTE = triple homicide perpetrator.

We're on the same page. Well stated.

[Siberian13]

If one believes in Christ Jesus and acknowledges/believes in the Kingdom of Heaven existing yet commits Murder he or she must know eternal damnation is the result going by the commands/scriptures.

However, no human can ever quantify or measure the mercy Christ Jesus offers. Thus not for us to condemn or admonish nor condone, that is up to the all Mighty and the all Mighty alone.

Anywho.

Kevin

You can be forgiven for anything though, so...

[jasonm2121]

Wonder how many murderers dig on Harry Potter

[Siberian13]

Wonder how many murderers dig on Harry Potter

Probably quite a bit. I would assume a lot of criminals these days grew up Harry. :) I assume they are fans of House Slytherin :)!

[Copeskey45]

I just got done watching this and all I can say is WOW.... Here are my opinions on it.

1. I feel like the music choice for the intro was a little too "happy" and upbeat for the subject matter.

2. I fully believe that his childhood (his father mainly) had everything to do with what happened.

3. I honestly don't understand how Urban Meyer is still allowed to be associated with anything football. I feel like he covered up alot for Hernandez and it's been proven that he likes to cover up violence.

4. I don't feel like CTE had anything to do with him committing the murder(s). I put the (s), since he wasn't formally convicted, but we all know he did it.

5. Jose Baez has to be the Scott Boras of attorneys. No one likes him, unless your his client.

6. The Patriots organization also knew what Hernandez was doing and did everything in their power to cover it up. When it came out, they had to "take action" and release him.

7. I really don't get why they chose to include that segment of Ryan O'Callaghan's story about him coming out to his parents. Seems like that was sort of a time filler.

8. I commend Odin's mother, Ursla, with the strength to forgive him for the murder of her son. That's something I don't know if I could do.

9. I don't think that he cried because it was the last time he would see his daughter or because people finally "believed him". I think he cried because he knew what he did and actually felt bad about doing it.

And finally, the biggest thing that really made me mad/confused....

10. I felt that they spent WAY too much time on his sexuality. I understand that it's possible that Odin's death was possibly linked to something Odin may have seen, but honestly, who gives a crap if he was gay/bi/straight??

Overall, I really did enjoy it. I felt sorry for him for the first 30 minutes, but that quickly changed.

[KevJo]

You can be forgiven for anything though, so...


Not necessarily, so....

Kevin

[Siberian13]

Not necessarily, so....

Kevin

Prove it :)!

[KevJo]

Prove it :)!

Go out and kill 3 people, hang yourself and come back and let us know how it goes, plan?

[Copeskey45]

This guy and his dad weren't very believable IMO

I feel the same way, but its easy to say those things when the person isnt here to defend themselves.

I don't believe them at all.

[actionbryan]

So his intention was to kill himself because he was under the impression that would make him legally not guilty and this would make his beneficiaries eligible for benefits from the Patriots and/or NFL.

Was he correct or misguided? Felt the doc wasn’t clear on that end result

[Siberian13]

Go out and kill 3 people, hang yourself and come back and let us know how it goes, plan?

Coming back as a cat

[Copeskey45]

So his intention was to kill himself because he was under the impression that would make him legally not guilty and this would make his beneficiaries eligible for benefits from the Patriots and/or NFL.

Was he correct or misguided? Felt the doc wasn’t clear on that end result

He was misguided. In the doc it said that his fiancee would spend more money in legal fees than she would be getting back because the Pat's would fight it in court.

[lionsfan20]

So his intention was to kill himself because he was under the impression that would make him legally not guilty and this would make his beneficiaries eligible for benefits from the Patriots and/or NFL.

Was he correct or misguided? Felt the doc wasn’t clear on that end resultYes that seemed to be his intention. However they changed the law after his death and actually put the murder conviction back on his record. So Pat's didnt even have to fight her in court. He is a murderer again and his Pat's contract and money is forfeited.

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[airfawkies2]

Yes that seemed to be his intention. However they changed the law after his death and actually put the murder conviction back on his record. So Pat's didnt even have to fight her in court. He is a murderer again and his Pat's contract and money is forfeited.

Sent from my SM-G950U using TapatalkPats always seem to find themselves in slimey grimey situations..

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[lionsfan20]

Pats always seem to find themselves in slimey grimey situations..

Sent from my LM-Q720 using TapatalkI agree. They looked slimy as usual in this doc. I do think you have to ride the line so to speak to be successful in professional sports or any business for that matter.

I also wanted to add that I find it very sad if he actually did kill himself in order to ensure his family received that contract money. That might have been the one good thing he could have done with his life and it is all for nothing. It doesn't hurt him at all as he was doomed either way but his daughter will be the one that suffers. I just hope that the mother was smart with her money or finds a way to provide a good life for their daughter. At least his daughter was very young and likely won't remember her dad or any of this drama and could still grow up in a fairly normal household.

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[21Pittsburgh58]

Halfway through the first episode. Damn, seemed like a great kid in HS. Very interested to see where this goes (I know how it ends).