Mahomes vs. Jimmy G Prices - Post Super Bowl

[Siberian13]

Curious on how much we are talking about for these guys. I’ll use one example assuming it’s the closest to compare since Jimmy had Topps products.

Jimmy G. Contenders base auto vs. Mahomes Contenders base auto or any comparable two cards.

Where are they at now?
How much higher if they win?
How much lower if they lose?

Tree Fiddy ain’t gonna cut it dis time. How much hype will each get? More room for Jimmy since Mahomes prices are already cray-cray?

Discuss....

[FBallHobbies]

Mahomes will continue to rise if he plays like he is. Patty contenders are more in demand because of how sp'd they were. Take account of the trimmed examples which makes the count for authentic copies even less

I could see Mahomes hit Brady prices. Brady has very few 1/1 rookies, Mahomes has tons of them.

[pcptrade]

Mahomes will continue to rise if he plays like he is. Patty contenders are more in demand because of how sp'd they were. Take account of the trimmed examples which makes the count for authentic copies even less

I could see Mahomes hit Brady prices. Brady has very few 1/1 rookies, Mahomes has tons of them.

Brady Champ Ticket #/100 vs Mahomes Champ Ticket #/10 (only 8 if you factor in one trimmed and one lost). Mahomes Contenders Rookie Ticket RC#303 Auto's print run is approx 212 (Total graded copies 161) whereas Brady Contenders Rookie Ticket Auto graded copies are close to 800, which is almost 5X the graded copies of Mahomes contenders.

[majestik101]

If the 49ers win the Super Bowl it won't be because of Jimmy G. Hence, I don't think his prices will see much of an increase. If he loses however, I would expect to see his stuff fall fast. Mahomes on the other hand his prices will continue to rise, win or lose, mostly because of the division he plays in.

[dio]

If the 49ers win the Super Bowl it won't be because of Jimmy G. Hence, I don't think his prices will see much of an increase. If he loses however, I would expect to see his stuff fall fast. Mahomes on the other hand his prices will continue to rise, win or lose, mostly because of the division he plays in.


If someone want to sell me jimmy National Treasure RPA cheap, let me know, since it'll be coming down, i'm willing to buy now at discount, he'll be our quarterback for next couple years, not planning to resell

[ucLAkers]

The one with the Topps logo

[dio]

The one with the Topps logo

the #274 /99 one

[ninjacookies]

I think most see that Mahomes will most likely carry the torch for the next generation (I don't consider Wilson part of the new) now that Brady is at the tail end of his career. His arm talent is unmatched. The only concern is injury considering the nature of the sport.

I don't think anyone views 28 year old Jimmy in the same light except maybe 49ers die hards. There's a lot more of a safety net built into Mahomes prices at this point considering his age, already having an mvp, and a super bowl appearance. Regardless how things play out.

Still think it's insane how much Mahomes sells for, but I can't be hypocritical because I understand how Luka and Zion prices work in basketball.

[smaili]

If by any chance Jimmy G goes bezerk and racks up the stats, Niners win it, and he ends up being the next big thing, would you expect his original rookie to be the most sought after or the "rookie" of his first year on the new team?

[Zauron]

If Jimmy has insane stats and wins MVP, he will go up in price.

If he has a mediocre game and they win, probably a slight increase

Mahomes, if the Chiefs win, it will most likely be because of him and his prices will double IMO. I'm debating risking it now to buy stuff today, and hoping they win and see his prices rise up.

If the Chiefs lose, I don't see a dramatic fallout. If he has a horrible game maybe, but not drastic.

[SleeperCards]

Curious on how much we are talking about for these guys. I’ll use one example assuming it’s the closest to compare since Jimmy had Topps products.

Jimmy G. Contenders base auto vs. Mahomes Contenders base auto

Where are they at now?
How much higher if they win?
How much lower if they lose?

Tree Fiddy ain’t gonna cut it dis time. How much hype will each get? More room for Jimmy since Mahomes prices are already cray-cray?

Discuss....

Not a good comparison. In theory it works because same brand, but Mahomes Contenders is an SP with severe condition issues and tons of altered ones on the market. Better comparison would be NT RPA /99. Right now a 9.5 would probably run around $3500 for Jimmy and $35,000 for Mahomes. I'm not going to attempt to predict the future values, but I will predict a bunch of piss poor takes.

[smaili]

Not a good comparison. In theory it works because same brand, but Mahomes Contenders is an SP with severe condition issues and tons of altered ones on the market. Better comparison would be NT RPA /99. Right now a 9.5 would probably run around $3500 for Jimmy and $35,000 for Mahomes. I'm not going to attempt to predict the future values, but I will predict a bunch of piss poor takes.

Do you happen to know how to tell if it's been altered? I asked this q in another thread but no luck so thought I might ask again here :)

[rittdk01]

Mahomes prices are currently broken through the ceiling and at several SB win prices. Hopefully he is more Brady and less Brees for a career.

[SleeperCards]

Do you happen to know how to tell if it's been altered? I asked this q in another thread but no luck so thought I might ask again here :)

If the card is clean and ungraded that's a big red flag. If it's in a PSA 10 case check to see who has sold it in the past, if it's PWCC or Probstein that's a big red flag. If it measures short and looks extremely clean that's a big red flag. The best way to determine if it's altered is before and after pictures, if you find one you're interested in, go through all previous sold listings since 2017 and see if you can find a match.

[sethc1020]

I honestly don't see a huge jump in prices for either if they win. Mahomes prices seem to already have SB wins built into them, they may jump a bit but not drastically. Jimmy on the other hand I see as a Flacco type as far as values winning the SB. Flaccos stuff didn't really jump after winning the SB and I don't see Jimmys either. If he plays lights out and wins the MVP maybe a decent jump. The 49rs only lost 3 games this year and yet Jimmys prices didn't see a huge jump that you would expect from a QB going 13-3. Mainly because the 49rs are winning games without really needing him to do much.

[dio]

I honestly don't see a huge jump in prices for either if they win. Mahomes prices seem to already have SB wins built into them, they may jump a bit but not drastically. Jimmy on the other hand I see as a Flacco type as far as values winning the SB. Flaccos stuff didn't really jump after winning the SB and I don't see Jimmys either. If he plays lights out and wins the MVP maybe a decent jump. The 49rs only lost 3 games this year and yet Jimmys prices didn't see a huge jump that you would expect from a QB going 13-3. Mainly because the 49rs are winning games without really needing him to do much.

It's more like people don't watch our games, our D and run game is average at best, more like vanilla defense in second half with all these injuries, he's the man carries us. I don't care how people view him now, but time will tell people how good he is. Season ticket holder here still remember the horror days without him, we can't even sell our tickets

[sethc1020]

It's more like people don't watch our games, our D and run game is average at best, more like vanilla defense in second half with all these injuries, he's the man carries us. I don't care how people view him now, but time will tell people how good he is. Season ticket holder here still remember the horror days without him, we can't even sell our tickets
Which one are you talking about? It seems like you are talking about Jimmy as the QB but then sounds like KC on the run game and D.

[dio]

Which one are you talking about? It seems like you are talking about Jimmy as the QB but then sounds like KC on the run game and D.


Jimmy G and 9ers. Second half of our season. Full back,two star OL, multiple core defense player went out on injury. We were not good on running and d in last 8 game of regular season

[49erRCCollector]

Even if the Niners win I don’t think Jimmy’s prices go crazy. The narrative on him has changed. He’d have to throw for 400 yards to see an uptick.

Mahomes, if he wins? Crazy town.

[smaili]

If the card is clean and ungraded that's a big red flag. If it's in a PSA 10 case check to see who has sold it in the past, if it's PWCC or Probstein that's a big red flag. If it measures short and looks extremely clean that's a big red flag. The best way to determine if it's altered is before and after pictures, if you find one you're interested in, go through all previous sold listings since 2017 and see if you can find a match.

Yeah for the ungraded I completely agree, my worry was more so for already graded copies and the assumption that it's properly been vetted by the PSA/BGS company :doh:

[SleeperCards]

Yeah for the ungraded I completely agree, my worry was more so for already graded copies and the assumption that it's properly been vetted by the PSA/BGS company :doh:

You really have to do your own research even with the graded copies. I'd say ESPECIALLY with the graded copies because you're putting even more money into them.

[lisu]

It's more like people don't watch our games, our D and run game is average at best, more like vanilla defense in second half with all these injuries, he's the man carries us. I don't care how people view him now, but time will tell people how good he is. Season ticket holder here still remember the horror days without him, we can't even sell our tickets

I agree with you. Jimmy always comes up big when they need him.

[dbpsooner]

I think Jimmy G has a lot more to lose. Niners seem to have the more complete team and losing imo will be squarely on his shoulders. If you switched qbs for this game would the niners be a 10 point fav? On the flip side, if Mahomes wins, he would be cemented as one of the best all time imo. The upside would be crazy. I think it will be a great game!

[deemsterz33]

If Jimmy has insane stats and wins MVP, he will go up in price.

If he has a mediocre game and they win, probably a slight increase

Mahomes, if the Chiefs win, it will most likely be because of him and his prices will double IMO. I'm debating risking it now to buy stuff today, and hoping they win and see his prices rise up.

If the Chiefs lose, I don't see a dramatic fallout. If he has a horrible game maybe, but not drastic.

Look at Flacco's SB run in 2012 as a comp to Jimmy G. In 4 games:
1140 YDS
11 TDS
0 INT
117 passer rating

SB: 287 YDS, 3 TD, 0 INT

Edit: to clarfify, I'm pointing out that Flacco absolutely threw down during that run and his prices are in the tank.

[oplum29]

Look at Flacco's SB run in 2012 as a comp to Jimmy G. In 4 games:
1140 YDS
11 TDS
0 INT
117 passer rating

SB: 287 YDS, 3 TD, 0 INT

Edit: to clarfify, I'm pointing out that Flacco absolutely threw down during that run and his prices are in the tank.

Flacco isn't a "fantasy" guy, which is what is driving the market right now. Flacco as a rookie in 2019, his prices would be insane, but Flacco from 2007, his prices now, are garbage.

it's crazy. that run he had was insane, and he got almost no love, i think Kapernick's prices went higher than Flacco did.

[oplum29]

I think Jimmy G has a lot more to lose. Niners seem to have the more complete team and losing imo will be squarely on his shoulders. If you switched qbs for this game would the niners be a 10 point fav? On the flip side, if Mahomes wins, he would be cemented as one of the best all time imo. The upside would be crazy. I think it will be a great game!

JimmyG has nothing to lose, because according to all the media outlets, they are here inspite of him, not because of him...

yeah go figure :doh:

[dbpsooner]

JimmyG has nothing to lose, because according to all the media outlets, they are here inspite of him, not because of him...

yeah go figure :doh:

You just made my point. If they lose it will because their QB wasn’t good enough. As you just said, many think they are here in spite of him. If they don’t win, who do you think people will blame?

[SleeperCards]

You just made my point. If they lose it will because their QB wasn’t good enough. As you just said, many think they are here in spite of him. If they don’t win, who do you think people will blame?

People are idiots.

[rittdk01]

Both QB's are great and should benefit just from making the Super Bowl I would think. And Jimmy G played outstanding QB in high pressure situations all season. The niners have a badass run game, so somethings gotta give. I'm sure any fan would take a win over any stat, but these are investors making the rules lol.

[dio]

seeing people compare Jimmy G to flacco and dilfer makes me know none of them really watch 9ers game. still waiting for people here to sell me a low deal on his NT. everyone is saying he sucks and will come down to flacco price, mighrt just sell me at lower right now

[coltsnsox07]

A bit OT but I drafted Dante Pettis in fantasy and everyone thought he was a great steal but did nothing so I cut him early. SF fans, what's up with him?

[oplum29]

A bit OT but I drafted Dante Pettis in fantasy and everyone thought he was a great steal but did nothing so I cut him early. SF fans, what's up with him?

seems like a bust right now. wouldn't doubt it if he and Goodwin are released/traded after the season.

49ers have Jalen Hurd and Trent Taylor on IR the whole season at wide receiver.

[dio]

A bit OT but I drafted Dante Pettis in fantasy and everyone thought he was a great steal but did nothing so I cut him early. SF fans, what's up with him?

Pettis not into football from what I heard

[oplum29]

Pettis not into football from what I heard

hu?

he's on the roster, he dresses out.

[SleeperCards]

hu?

he's on the roster, he dresses out.

He's saying his heart/mind is not in it.

[oplum29]

He's saying his heart/mind is not in it.

where did you get that from?

he's quitting football or what?

[SleeperCards]

where did you get that from?

he's quitting football or what?

I think you're misunderstanding. I was trying to clarify what the previous poster was trying to state. Pettis has been in the doghouse and thankfully the 49ers haven't had to use him as he's been unreliable.

[oplum29]

so is JimmyG back into the "disappointment" column after tonight's loss?

from Twitter, it seems this dude is nothing more than another Rex Grossman. IDK about that, still think the 49ers have their guy, but i think the JimmyG market is probably as good as non-existent right now.

[Onepocketj]

so is JimmyG back into the "disappointment" column after tonight's loss?

from Twitter, it seems this dude is nothing more than another Rex Grossman. IDK about that, still think the 49ers have their guy, but i think the JimmyG market is probably as good as non-existent right now.

Yeah. I feel bad for people with his cards. He wasn't flashy tonight but was consistent with his passes and did what needed to get done up until the end. Horrible play calling probably cost him the game and maybe the MVP. Huge swing in a matter of minutes.

[anusinha]

during the first 3 quarters he was pretty good aside from that one desperation heave. Then in the 4th Shanahan went into brain dead mode and ruined everything that he had done up to that point.

[imb4]

Jimmy under pressure: 0 for 7 for ZERO yards.

Given three chances to lead a game-clinching drive, Garoppolo failed each time. San Francisco's possessions in the final quarter resulted in two punts, a turnover on downs and an interception. For the quarter, he completed just 3 of 11 passes for 36 yards, with an interception and a passer rating of just 2.8.

While Mahomes was heating up and leading three consecutive scoring drives, his counterpart was allowing himself to get shaken by Kansas City's pressure. Then when Garoppolo finally had a clean pocket and receiver Emmanuel Sanders beat his coverage, the 28-year-old quarterback overthrew him.

Source (https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/jimmy-garoppolo-super-bowl-liv-49ers-choke-01e04mp9t2se)

[JWBlue]

Jimmy under pressure: 0 for 7 for ZERO yards.

Given three chances to lead a game-clinching drive, Garoppolo failed each time. San Francisco's possessions in the final quarter resulted in two punts, a turnover on downs and an interception. For the quarter, he completed just 3 of 11 passes for 36 yards, with an interception and a passer rating of just 2.8.

While Mahomes was heating up and leading three consecutive scoring drives, his counterpart was allowing himself to get shaken by Kansas City's pressure. Then when Garoppolo finally had a clean pocket and receiver Emmanuel Sanders beat his coverage, the 28-year-old quarterback overthrew him.

Source (https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/jimmy-garoppolo-super-bowl-liv-49ers-choke-01e04mp9t2se)

He hits Sanders and he is likely a hero.

[ninjacookies]

Unfortunately, Jimmy G has earned the early Russell Wilson hobby stigma as a game manager behind a stout defense, whether deserved or not. Take it from a RW clector...it's going to be hard to shake it.

[imb4]

He hits Sanders and he is likely a hero.

Agreed. That was one of the pressured passes. He looked great in a clean pocket, and was lighting KC up down the middle.

[JeremyNick]

I feel like the hobby is pretty much going to move on from Jimmy G at this point. Basically a fool me once, fool me twice mentality. He was hyped as the heir apparent to Brady, until Brady stuck around too long and he got traded. Then he became the man in San Fran, until he got injured. Then he came back. He has a good season, his team gets to the SB and now it’s his time. And then he comes up short again.

He’s 28. He may have a successful career but I’m pretty sure the hobby is done with him.

[Cyphon25]

Flacco isn't a "fantasy" guy, which is what is driving the market right now. Flacco as a rookie in 2019, his prices would be insane, but Flacco from 2007, his prices now, are garbage.

it's crazy. that run he had was insane, and he got almost no love, i think Kapernick's prices went higher than Flacco did.

I didn't collect then but as a watcher of the game it doesn't seem crazy at all to me. Anyone who watched Flacco knew that was a 1 off miracle run that was going to destroy the Ravens cap situation. His cards didn't go up but he made himself an insane amount of money he didn't really deserve based off of 1 magic run he was never going to replicate.

Was Flacco ever even considered a top 10 guy? I am not even sure most Ravens fans like him lol.

[Athey49]

Had a best offer on my Jimmy G topps chrome black auto of $1k, was swiftly canceled after the game:doh:

[Boo]

Agreed. That was one of the pressured passes. He looked great in a clean pocket, and was lighting KC up down the middle.

Winston can throw from clean pockets as well. QBs make their money when there is pressure...look at Mahomes last night, was there more than 3-4 times he didn't have pressure on him when he dropped back?

[chuckerrrr]

Had a best offer on my Jimmy G topps chrome black auto of $1k, was swiftly canceled after the game:doh:



Fickleness of the hobby right there.


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[jstephens24]

Fickleness of the hobby right there.


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could have accepted offer during game though

[Zauron]

Jimmy looked mediocre most of the game. Some of his throws were off, even on completions, that caused his receivers to be tackled immediately instead of being able to get more yards. There was one crossing route to Sanders where if he leads him, it's like another 20 yards or more, but he throws slightly behind and Sanders gets tackled immediately.

Of course, the big one, completely overthrowing Sanders down the middle late. He hits that, 49ers go up 3 with 1:30 left and likely considered clutch, etc.

I think he's going to be decent QB, but not necessarily someone I would invest in right now. He is never going to have the ultimate stats at the end of his career, he only has 44 career TD passes and will turn 29 next year.

For Mahomes, guy made great throws in the clutch and pressured. Although he did have 2 picks, and honestly if it weren't for that last pick that bounced off of Hill's hands(it was a bad pass though), it's probably 34-20 game or worse.

[shrevecity]

could have accepted offer during game though

Then it would be request to cancel or returned claiming damage.

[Athey49]

could have accepted offer during game though

Then it would be request to cancel or returned claiming damage.

Exactly what happened. I was expecting it..

Buyer's name is hotglass2011 if anyone is wondering

[JeremyNick]

Had a best offer on my Jimmy G topps chrome black auto of $1k, was swiftly canceled after the game:doh:

Depending on how long you had the offer for, I possibly have no real issue with it.
You obviously had the offer and wanted to wait and see if you could get others. He decided he didn’t want to buy at that price anymore. He was hoping to get in early on the post SB bump and you were hedging your bets against selling too early.

[Athey49]

Depending on how long you had the offer for, I possibly have no real issue with it.
You obviously had the offer and wanted to wait and see if you could get others. He decided he didn’t want to buy at that price anymore. He was hoping to get in early on the post SB bump and you were hedging your bets against selling too early.

Had it for an hour or so I think. Remember seeing the update on my phone but set it aside as I just wanted to watch the game and not get distracted. I put the buyer's name because some people would ask for it. I'm really not that upset about it though

[Siberian13]

Unfortunately, Jimmy G has earned the early Russell Wilson hobby stigma as a game manager behind a stout defense, whether deserved or not. Take it from a RW clector...it's going to be hard to shake it.

Comparing these two seems wrong.

[LC2nine10]

Comparing these two seems wrong.

100%
Ive never really thout of him as a game manager, thats alex smith style.
Russel just doesnt seem to have a lot around him. Id trade jimmy for him any and all day long. Would have made last night's game crazy.

[JeremyNick]

Had it for an hour or so I think. Remember seeing the update on my phone but set it aside as I just wanted to watch the game and not get distracted. I put the buyer's name because some people would ask for it. I'm really not that upset about it though

Yeah I’d not fault you for putting his info out there then.
I’m not a fan of the offer parameters on Ebay. If I make and offer, I want a timely response. If I ever get offers from sellers I accept or reject immediately. Though I don’t usually deal in high $$$ cards.

[AlexHunter]

Yeah I’d not fault you for putting his info out there then.
I’m not a fan of the offer parameters on Ebay. If I make and offer, I want a timely response. If I ever get offers from sellers I accept or reject immediately. Though I don’t usually deal in high $$$ cards.

Though, some people aren’t able to get to their phones for 8-14 hours because Of work stuff or life in general. I think the 24 or 48 hour windows for an offer to be accepted or rejected is totally okay. I wish I had the ability to accept or reject an offer immediately like you.

There’s nothing worse than getting on your phone after work, seeing a solid offer I would have accepted, And then seeing it was cancelled with messages of “hello?” And “accept the offer already” lol

Though- I don’t usually deal in high end card either haha

[Athey49]

Yeah I’d not fault you for putting his info out there then.
I’m not a fan of the offer parameters on Ebay. If I make and offer, I want a timely response. If I ever get offers from sellers I accept or reject immediately. Though I don’t usually deal in high $$$ cards.

Wasn't really that bummed about it either to be honest. I paid I think $6 or so in a half case break back in 2015 and got that card. And him now being on my favorite team, I wasn't in a real hurry to sell it which is why I had it listed so high in the first place

[oplum29]

Jimmy looked mediocre most of the game. Some of his throws were off, even on completions, that caused his receivers to be tackled immediately instead of being able to get more yards. There was one crossing route to Sanders where if he leads him, it's like another 20 yards or more, but he throws slightly behind and Sanders gets tackled immediately.

Of course, the big one, completely overthrowing Sanders down the middle late. He hits that, 49ers go up 3 with 1:30 left and likely considered clutch, etc.

I think he's going to be decent QB, but not necessarily someone I would invest in right now. He is never going to have the ultimate stats at the end of his career, he only has 44 career TD passes and will turn 29 next year.

For Mahomes, guy made great throws in the clutch and pressured. Although he did have 2 picks, and honestly if it weren't for that last pick that bounced off of Hill's hands(it was a bad pass though), it's probably 34-20 game or worse.

Garoppolo was drafted in 2014, he just finished his 6th year in the league, which is crazy to even think about.

he didn't really play until 2016, got traded in 2017, missed all but 3 games in 2018, and played all of 2019.

i would invest in him because he'll be dirt cheap now. He's only 29 and still on a very good 49ers team with a loaded defense. If the 49ers get back and do win one, the narrative will change.

[asujbl]

Patrick Mahomes could literally crack the Top 30 in all time passing yards by the time he is the same age as Graps is now

And we all assume Graps has a lot of years to go

Wrap your mind around that

[spacewrangler]

Patrick Mahomes could literally crack the Top 30 in all time passing yards by the time he is the same age as Graps is now

And we all assume Graps has a lot of years to go

Wrap your mind around that

They don't belong in the same conversation honestly its not fair to Jimmy

[asujbl]

They don't belong in the same conversation honestly its not fair to Jimmy

True

Jimmy is so handsome

Mahomes? Meh

[oplum29]

honestly, KC could end up being the next Patriots in the AFC and ruling the conference for the next 5 years at least with Mahomes.

Outside of maybe Baltimore or a rebuilt Patriots team with actual offensive weapons, nobody really matches up well with KC.

in the NFC, it's SF, Seattle, NO, and if all things go well, Dallas. Also, the Giants are a quiet team that is going to be good too.

[ninjacookies]

Comparing these two seems wrong.

It is. Just trying to draw a correlation between the two based on being pigeonholed in the hobby. Russ was not the Russ we know now back in 2013-14. Extremely dynamic, but almost everyone and their momma was saying how coddled he was by that great defense and run game. Until both those things left and people gave in.

I certainly don't think Jimmy will ever be Russell Wilson caliber. Two completely different age dynamics and skillsets. Jimmy's got a much smaller window to accomplish great things, because he most certainly will never have cumulative stat records with a 6+ year delayed start.

[oplum29]

It is. Just trying to draw a correlation between the two based on being pigeonholed in the hobby. Russ was not the Russ we know now back in 2013-14. Extremely dynamic, but almost everyone and their momma was saying how coddled he was by that great defense and run game. Until both those things left and people gave in.

I certainly don't think Jimmy will ever be Russell Wilson caliber. Two completely different age dynamics and skillsets. Jimmy's got a much smaller window to accomplish great things, because he most certainly will never have cumulative stat records with a 6+ year delayed start.

a SB title would have changed everything for him. a SB MVP would have sent his stuff through the roof.

now, everything is dirt cheap again.

[ninjacookies]

a SB title would have changed everything for him. a SB MVP would have sent his stuff through the roof.

now, everything is dirt cheap again.

'Shoulda ran it...'


Trust me, I know the feels.

[oplum29]

'Shoulda ran it...'


Trust me, I know the feels.

amazing how championships can be won or lost by coaches making key decisions

[ninjacookies]

amazing how championships can be won or lost by coaches making key decisions

And can completely change the course of a franchise's history going forward. It really is amazing.