NFL Panini Blockchain Discussion

[Soxfanguy]

https://www.paniniamerica.net/2019-panini-national-treasures-blockchain-tom-brady-1-1-patch-autograph.html

Tom Brady 1/1 patch auto. Wonder how much this will go for. Surprised they didn't use a shield though

[Soxfanguy]

https://www.paniniamerica.net/2019-panini-national-treasures-blockchain-patrick-mahomes-ii-and-deshaun-watson-1-1-dual-brand-logo-autograph.html

Mahomes/Watson Nike patch auto. Bet this one goes for big

[Bobbyplaza133]

I haven't followed this style of release for Panini. So these aren't inserted into products but rather reverse auctioned?

[SleeperCards]

At least they go down to .01, so they will actually sell.

[Soxfanguy]

I haven't followed this style of release for Panini. So these aren't inserted into products but rather reverse auctioned?

Yeah. You get a digital version of the card and a physical version also

[Soxfanguy]

At least they go down to .01, so they will actually sell.

Not sure about that with the Daniel Jones

[49erRCCollector]

I’m not the biggest fan of this. It kind of goes against the whole idea of ripping boxes or buying into breaks. If you’re just paying huge amounts why not get a personally signed jersey or something game-used? It’s just high priced memorabilia at that point. Right?

[rockonjp76]

Like what is the point of this?
What good is a digital version of a card lol?

[mcgee2134]

There is already a big thread in the basketball forum on the blockchain cards.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1340080&page=26

[Onepocketj]

Not falling for it. This thread is a train wreck in the basketball forum.

[49erRCCollector]

To each their own.

I will say the minute cards become digital only, I’m done. I can deal with different license holders, up and downs, scandals. My only requirement is that the collectible be a physical card.

It’s not the same as digital music or films.

[majestik101]

Digital cards can't be trimmed.

[golferphil]

Digital cards can't be trimmed.

Tough to get autographed though...

and also, WTF is a blockchain card?

[hairysasquatch]

Digital cards can't be trimmed.

Photoshopping would work wonders.

[deansayso]

Funny the Brady has him in a Nike jersey with a Reebok patch and the Woodson has him in a Reebok jersey with a Nike patch

[blevins26]

There is already a big thread in the basketball forum on the blockchain cards.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1340080&page=26


I've been following the thread in the basketball forum.

If you haven't read through it, it's worth skimming through so we can save ourselves 12 pages of recreating all the arguments.

[roberth404]

The future has arrived guys

[JeremyNick]

Digital cards can't be trimmed.

Photoshop bruh

[hilg2347]

Still completely confused on the purpose of having a digital card..... definitely a tangible collectible - similar to having a a paining by a certain artist created in a certain year, in a certain style? right?

[pazerbaijan]

Still completely confused on the purpose of having a digital card..... definitely a tangible collectible - similar to having a a paining by a certain artist created in a certain year, in a certain style? right?

Like physical cards, they're generated in limited quantities. The main difference is you can't touch them. Digital items are valued by some people in the same way we value physical items; Google "CS:GO skins" and see what comes up.

This is the point in the conversation where some doofus in his early 40s says something like "WELL WHAT IF I TAKE A SCREENSHOT OF THE CARD DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE A DIGITAL CARD TOO DURRRRRR I'M OLD." No, you don't; that would be the same as printing out a scan of a physical card and saying you own it. Personally, I'm not interested in digital trading cards, but it's exasperating to see the boomers here completely miss the point every time this topic comes up.

[hairysasquatch]

Like physical cards, they're generated in limited quantities. The main difference is you can't touch them. Digital items are valued by some people in the same way we value physical items; Google "CS:GO skins" and see what comes up.

This is the point in the conversation where some doofus in his early 40s says something like "WELL WHAT IF I TAKE A SCREENSHOT OF THE CARD DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE A DIGITAL CARD TOO DURRRRRR I'M OLD." No, you don't; that would be the same as printing out a scan of a physical card and saying you own it. Personally, I'm not interested in digital trading cards, but it's exasperating to see the boomers here completely miss the point every time this topic comes up.

Ageism rampant up in here! :eek:

[JeremyNick]

Ageism rampant up in here! :eek:

I have no interest in digital cards and I’m 35.
#NotaBoomer

Of course this guy doesn’t know the difference between a boomer and a Gen X’er.

[hairysasquatch]

I have no interest in digital cards and I’m 35.
#NotaBoomer

Of course this guy doesn’t know the difference between a boomer and a Gen X’er.

I didn't want to be the one to hurt his Millenial feelings.

[JeremyNick]

I didn't want to be the one to hurt his Millenial feelings.

It’s only fair game since he touched you in your boomer spot.
:)!

[pazerbaijan]

I have no interest in digital cards and I’m 35.
#NotaBoomer

Of course this guy doesn’t know the difference between a boomer and a Gen X’er.

Of course this guy doesn't know why I'm calling him a boomer.

I'm not into digital cards as a collectible, but the way Topps implements them in their various apps is pretty interesting. Any cards you collect can be used as part of a DFS game that allows for live substitutions during the games. I haven't played since around 2016, so I don't know what it's like now, but rare cards would have higher point multipliers for the game.

It's also a brilliant business move to make all previously released cards ineligible for the DFS games as soon as a new season starts. If you want to play, you basically have to buy a new collection every year. (That was why I quit.)

[mortatort]

Of course this guy doesn't know why I'm calling him a boomer.

I'm not into digital cards as a collectible, but the way Topps implements them in their various apps is pretty interesting. Any cards you collect can be used as part of a DFS game that allows for live substitutions during the games. I haven't played since around 2016, so I don't know what it's like now, but rare cards would have higher point multipliers for the game.

It's also a brilliant business move to make all previously released cards ineligible for the DFS games as soon as a new season starts. If you want to play, you basically have to buy a new collection every year. (That was why I quit.)

so it's kind of it's own little version of fantasy football? And to have a player on your team you must own the digital card?

Interesting.

I've seen digital cards on ebay but never looked into the details of them. I just figured they were for plain old collecting but in the digital format.

[BAInvestments]

Of course this guy doesn't know why I'm calling him a boomer.

I'm not into digital cards as a collectible, but the way Topps implements them in their various apps is pretty interesting. Any cards you collect can be used as part of a DFS game that allows for live substitutions during the games. I haven't played since around 2016, so I don't know what it's like now, but rare cards would have higher point multipliers for the game.

It's also a brilliant business move to make all previously released cards ineligible for the DFS games as soon as a new season starts. If you want to play, you basically have to buy a new collection every year. (That was why I quit.)

Panini has Panini Blitz. I remember getting cards promoting it so I checked it out basically as you described from what I remember.

Here is a post about it. I thought it was Panini's version of a cryptocurrency at first but after reading the article it's to authenticate the the physical card. Basically a buyer of one of these cards should verify that the seller of the card has the blockchain version of the card and transfers it to the new seller. The digital card is authenticating the physical card. If a blockchain card gets stolen and comes up for sale somewhere you as the victim would still have the digital version which would prove ownership. Basically if you sell the card you're transferring the physical and digital card.

https://en.cryptonomist.ch/2019/12/20/panini-trading-cards-on-blockchain/

[mcgee2134]

Here is a post about it. I thought it was Panini's version of a cryptocurrency at first but after reading the article it's to authenticate the the physical card. Basically a buyer of one of these cards should verify that the seller of the card has the blockchain version of the card and transfers it to the new seller. The digital card is authenticating the physical card. If a blockchain card gets stolen and comes up for sale somewhere you as the victim would still have the digital version which would prove ownership. Basically if you sell the card you're transferring the physical and digital card.

https://en.cryptonomist.ch/2019/12/20/panini-trading-cards-on-blockchain/

That's not right, it's two separate assets. You could sell the physical card and keep the digital card. It vise versa, and sell the digital card and keep the physical card.

[blevins26]

To provide some insight into the blockchain aspect of "Panini Blockchain":

1. If you read through Panini's statements regarding this product, you will find a lot of "CYA" statements. For example, the concept that someone can sell the digital version & the physical version of the card separately.

2. Keep in mind that blockchain is a very new concept. Panini is trying to do 2 things here: 1) take advantage of the marketing buzzword that is "blockchain" and 2) cover their assets (for lack of a better term)

3. Make no mistake, Panini WANTS buyers to keep the physical ownership AND the digital asset rights with the same owners. This is the whole concept behind the cards. The idea that a card can be traced from production-->buyer #1-->buyer #2 and so on. In the long run, this will create a provenance that is provably true.

4. This concept has a TON of potential but this is just an initial proof-of-concept. Think on this--the Wright Brothers first flight covered 852 feet. An insignificant distance............except that it proved it could be done. That's where we are with blockchain.

[mjohnatgt]

blevins, you say things over and over again. That doesn't make them true. If that's what Panini wanted, that's all that Panini would have allowed. Panini wants to sell high dollar cards direct to their millionaire customers instead of seeding those cards in packs. And they're doing it with the subterfuge that you have seemingly bought into. Just a marketing gimmick.

[mcgee2134]

blevins, you say things over and over again. That doesn't make them true. If that's what Panini wanted, that's all that Panini would have allowed. Panini wants to sell high dollar cards direct to their millionaire customers instead of seeding those cards in packs. And they're doing it with the subterfuge that you have seemingly bought into. Just a marketing gimmick.

What makes you think any of those cards were taken out of the NT boxes?

[mjohnatgt]

What makes you think any of those cards were taken out of the NT boxes?
They're not. You misunderstood me. They are basically reprints of the NT 1/1s. Just printing free money.

[blevins26]

blevins, you say things over and over again. That doesn't make them true. If that's what Panini wanted, that's all that Panini would have allowed. Panini wants to sell high dollar cards direct to their millionaire customers instead of seeding those cards in packs. And they're doing it with the subterfuge that you have seemingly bought into. Just a marketing gimmick.

I agree with you that Panini is in this for profit. Just like every company in the world. As I said in my comments, they're taking advantage of the "blockchain" buzzword to sell product.

However, I don't think this program is a bad thing. For every reason you could give that these cards should be in packs, I can probably come up with a reason why direct-to-consumer cards has validity.

For one, it allows ANY buyer to own ANY card (as long as the buyer is willing to pay the $$$).

For another, it gets away from the gambling aspect of breaking boxes. Let's face it, the current state of the hobby is WIDE open for an expose on the gambling aspects that these companies are pushing with their products.

[Kollectornet]

I just want to know who are these "Panini Millionaires". As I have stated before, a company main goal is to sell. We as the consumers either buy or we don't. So to complain about a company trying to make money, even if it is a gimmick, they are doing what they are supposed to do.

The good thing about this program is that you can see the original image (the digital card) so you know it wasn't trimmed or the patch wasn't replaced. I don't know if Panini keep the rights to the image meaning it can't only be viewed from their official site, I haven't got that far into this product. Yeah, images can be photoshopped but if it is on their site, the original exist unlike most memorabilia cards. Every memorabilia card should be scanned and posted to the companies site.

[mcgee2134]

The good thing about this program is that you can see the original image (the digital card) so you know it wasn't trimmed or the patch wasn't replaced. I don't know if Panini keep the rights to the image meaning it can't only be viewed from their official site, I haven't got that far into this product. Yeah, images can be photoshopped but if it is on their site, the original exist unlike most memorabilia cards. Every memorabilia card should be scanned and posted to the companies site.

It would be good if Panini did that, but they don't. The image on their website and of the blockchain digital card isn't an exact replica.

I'm trying to post pics but when posting my photobucket pics they are blurry.

[BigRhino]

I just want to know who are these "Panini Millionaires". As I have stated before, a company main goal is to sell. We as the consumers either buy or we don't. So to complain about a company trying to make money, even if it is a gimmick, they are doing what they are supposed to do.

The good thing about this program is that you can see the original image (the digital card) so you know it wasn't trimmed or the patch wasn't replaced. I don't know if Panini keep the rights to the image meaning it can't only be viewed from their official site, I haven't got that far into this product. Yeah, images can be photoshopped but if it is on their site, the original exist unlike most memorabilia cards. Every memorabilia card should be scanned and posted to the companies site.

Except Panini put fine print that the image doesnt even match the physical card making the whole thing pointless

[mcgee2134]

The Kyler Murray was posted on Panini's twitter and the Ja/Hui logman was for sale on ebay so you could see the signatures which are different from what is seen on Panini's website.

[JeremyNick]

The Tim Brady is listed as an auto patch with no auto on the card.

Blockchain is a clusterfudge.

[mhcook]

The Tim Brady is listed as an auto patch with no auto on the card.

Blockchain is a clusterfudge.The original version they put on the site was autographed. Interesting that they took it down and put up one that isn't signed.

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