Better sell your Domonic Brown cards now [Archive]

WCTYSON

03-03-2011, 01:14 PM

Boo

03-03-2011, 01:14 PM

SI had something about prospects and in winter ball in the Dominican and he was 2 for 29.

mld218

03-03-2011, 01:16 PM

Being from and in Philly burbs I know we usually see the negative. In part of last season and so far this year he really has done squat.

7290morint

03-03-2011, 01:17 PM

crazy8parlay

03-03-2011, 01:21 PM

Has anybody ever heard of small sample sizes? You are going to dump him based on 29 winter league at bats and 12 spring training at bats? Good god, good thing you don't run a baseball team. Statistically those numbers have no meaning.

Last year, when he made his debut. He went 13 for 62 (.210). Charlie sat him the day after his debut because he didn't want him to face left handed pitching. Now he can't hit either.

Yeah, between his debut last year, dominican, and ST, he's got 15 hits in 103 at bats.

Also, he's hoping to beat B'Fran for the job.

And in ST, you're mostly facing minor leaguers. And he's not even hitting them.

Zacky1053

03-03-2011, 01:24 PM

And in ST, you're mostly facing minor leaguers. And he's not even hitting them.

Same reason why you don't overreact to a 19-year old kid hitting .350 in ST but I agree about Brown. He's not a bust yet obviously but he's not proving (IMO) to be a "top prospect" at the ML level.

WCTYSON

03-03-2011, 01:24 PM

Has anybody ever heard of small sample sizes? You are going to dump him based on 29 winter league at bats and 12 spring training at bats? Good god, good thing you don't run a baseball team. Statistically those numbers have no meaning.

The voice of reason again. :D Look. The Phillies are going to make a World Series run, this is the reason D. Brown will be platooning with B. Fransisco in RF. Philly fans are becoming like Yankee fans, little to no patience with developing players, jaded. The Philly's would not have let Werth walk if they did not think D. Brown was their future. Just give the kid some time to figure it out. :cool:

boxbreaker88

03-03-2011, 01:25 PM

he is 23 still very young just cause he goes 0-12 doesnt mean he sucks there is much more to baseball then stats (IE DEFENSE) but as bryce harper said he doesnt care if he goes 0-50 this spring training it is about experience. Dom brown is just in a small slump players of the best caliber when they get to the majors all slump (cameron maybin, matt kemp, brennan boesch (2nd half of last year) because scouts and pitchers find their weakness

IamRalpho

03-03-2011, 01:54 PM

Matt Wieters and Dom Brown, both careers finished before they turn 25.

Wow.

mgugs46

03-03-2011, 02:09 PM

Brown does have problems with his swing though. Not that I think he is a bust - but I would not be shocked to see him struggle again this year and eventually be sent back to AAA.

btimm

03-03-2011, 02:17 PM

I couldn't agree more. And Harper had 2 Ks in his first 2 ST ABs on just 7 pitches!! Dump him too. :rolleyes:

patchgenie

03-03-2011, 02:40 PM

i heard there is a spot open in AAAA

7290morint

03-03-2011, 02:44 PM

Last year, when he made his debut. He went 13 for 62 (.210). Charlie sat him the day after his debut because he didn't want him to face left handed pitching. Now he can't hit either.

Yeah, between his debut last year, dominican, and ST, he's got 15 hits in 103 at bats.

Also, he's hoping to beat B'Fran for the job.

And in ST, you're mostly facing minor leaguers. And he's not even hitting them.

Unfortunately, these days the only way to do something you aren't good at is to do it until you are good at it. The only way Dominic Brown is going to get better at hitting major league left handers is to face them on a daily basis. That's how development works. That being said, 150 at bats is also a small sample size and statistically means nothing when he was done nothing but rake at all levels of the minor leagues. If you want stats that mean something you need at the minimum a full of year of at bats and even then if you are ready to give up on someone after one year there is something not right.

As for why the phillies decided to alter his swing, I do not know. Chances are it wasn't a good idea for them to do so since there was nothing really wrong with it from what I know. Hopefully they have a good reason otherwise it could have disastrous consequences.

guru

03-03-2011, 03:00 PM

LOL!!! 0 for 12 and everyone is yelling sell. You guys are worse than the guys on buying and selling short when their stock goes down a buck. :rolleyes:

Vintage Collector

03-03-2011, 03:16 PM

LOL!!! 0 for 12 and everyone is yelling sell. You guys are worse than the guys on buying and selling short when their stock goes down a buck. :rolleyes:

Along with your D. Browns sell your silver to me, it dropped 25 cents today.:rolleyes:

Seriously pm me if you have D Brown auto's or silver.:)!

mld218

03-03-2011, 03:22 PM

0 for 15 now

YanksBillsFan

03-03-2011, 03:37 PM

What's next? Are people going to label Matt Wieters a bust?

7290morint

03-03-2011, 03:46 PM

You know what else is funny, that ace that the phillies just signed this winter Cliff Lee, was actually optioned back to the minors after his first three seasons in 2007 and when he was called back up he was only used out of the bullpen. There were probably a lot of people who said he wasn't going to make it either...

D-SPADE

03-03-2011, 04:15 PM

What's next? Are people going to label Matt Wieters a bust?

Exactly.......Wieters lead all hitters going 3-4 w/ 2 RBI's yesterday.......guess that means he went from a "Bust" to "Break-out Year Alert" in one week after only two full years in the league.

Fickle folks on here.........very fickle.....

SteakNchop

03-03-2011, 05:39 PM

Baseball players are streaky. I find this perfectly normal if you look at all stats in the history of baseball.

7290morint

03-03-2011, 05:45 PM

Baseball players are streaky. I find this perfectly normal if you look at all stats in the history of baseball.

I would strongly disagree with this statement. You want to look at some stats and then tell me that albert pujols is streaky? What about chase utley? What about adrian gonalzez, hanley ramirez, ryan braun? These guys consistently put up strong numbers. WTH are you talking about streaky?

edit: maybe you want to double check your stats?

www.fangraphs.com

chansen10

03-03-2011, 05:52 PM

You suck D. Brown

stevejeltz

03-03-2011, 06:30 PM

He is now 0-15. I'll buy all your Dom Brown's @ 50% off. If he goes 0-3 tomorrow, offer drops to 75% off so you better PM me now :D

newcardsmell

03-03-2011, 09:32 PM

Too funny.I agree, Get rid of them now.

pm me if you are selling D. Brown Rookie Cards.:D

mld218

03-03-2011, 09:54 PM

I couldn't resist

Bang the Dom Slowly: Domonic Brown's Baseball Obituary - The Good Phight (http://www.thegoodphight.com/2011/3/2/2024247/bang-the-dom-slowly-domonic-browns-baseball-obituary)

fishacura

03-04-2011, 12:08 PM

I've been saying it for a while. The guy is not going to make it. Nothing but negative talk here in Philly about him. Gregg Gross tried to change his swing and it's not working. So far in ST, he's 0 for 12 with 8 strikeouts. Get them on ebay and get what you can before you lose your shirt.

Wow 12 ABs....let's demote him to Lakewood single A ball lol! He had a sub-par winter season also but if anyone is dumping PLEASE PM me!

fungi2510

03-04-2011, 01:13 PM

I understand how most posters on here are attacking the OP for jumping to conclusions at the 0-12. I do believe there is much more going on with D. Brown than you are saying. There have been reports that he has lost his athleticism, and obviously there is something wrong with his swing. I do not believe the 0-12 is the only thing here. Sticking out 67% of the time, even in a very small sample, is NEVER a good thing. Yes, he might be a little early, but it is definitely the time to be very cautious with his cards.

fishacura

03-04-2011, 02:35 PM

but it is definitely the time to be very cautious with his cards.

Exactly...maybe not time to pay a premium for them....but certainly not a time to start dumping given he's shown a couple years of success at various levels....and has by no means proven he can't do it in the bigs.

crazy8parlay

03-04-2011, 02:48 PM

Exactly...maybe not time to pay a premium for them....but certainly not a time to start dumping given he's shown a couple years of success at various levels....and has by no means proven he can't do it in the bigs.

This is like a teeter totter statement. You can't say one, without the other one being true.

....and has by no means proven he can't do it in the bigs.

So he's proved he can do it in the big leagues????

When has he done anything in the Big Leagues??

He was called up about 6 months ago, between Debut, Dominican, and ST, he has 15 hits.

That's just plain SAD!

fishacura

03-04-2011, 02:59 PM

This is like a teeter totter statement. You can't say one, without the other one being true.

....and has by no means proven he can't do it in the bigs.

So he's proved he can do it in the big leagues????

When has he done anything in the Big Leagues??

He was called up about 6 months ago, between Debut, Dominican, and ST, he has 15 hits.

That's just plain SAD!

Huh? How so? He hasn't proven anything but that certainly doesn't mean he's not capable so i completely disagree with the teeter-totter comment. He's had a bad run do doubt, but given his high prospect rating and track record I would hardly say he's proven he can't succeed.

mgugs46

03-04-2011, 03:07 PM

No matter how you slice it, 0-15 with 9Ks is not good.

weatherwarrior

03-04-2011, 04:08 PM

Huh? How so? He hasn't proven anything but that certainly doesn't mean he's not capable so i completely disagree with the teeter-totter comment. He's had a bad run do doubt, but given his high prospect rating and track record I would hardly say he's proven he can't succeed.

Brandon Wood says Minor League stats are misleading. He was someone who Was successful in the minors and awful in the bigs. While the sample size is small Dom Brown is a top 5 prospect on most list and has potential but if he ever realizes it thats another story.

37Jetson

03-04-2011, 04:14 PM

Dom is doing his best Cameron Maybin Impression of all no hype and no Big League Results.

mfflyer131

03-04-2011, 04:24 PM

i definetly dont agree with the sell your dominic brown cards now thing, but i understand the point he was trying to make, some people shouldnt take things so seriously..0-15 is not good, and there is a huge cause for concern for phillies fans, in my opinion..i know there are going to be the guys saying hes young and all, but they got rid of werth for this guy..hopefully for everyones sake, he pans out, baseball doesnt need another bust..

THE(NEXT)LEVEL

03-04-2011, 04:34 PM

Success isn't guaranteed in baseball, even if you are a highly rated prospect. Wouldn't be the first hyped prospect to flop, and surely wouldn't be the last. I must say though, it looks like a disturbing trend.

tehchamp

03-04-2011, 04:47 PM

I wouldn't be buying any Dominic Brown right now, but I also wouldn't just dump all of it right now.

fishacura

03-04-2011, 06:17 PM

Brandon Wood says Minor League stats are misleading. He was someone who Was successful in the minors and awful in the bigs. While the sample size is small Dom Brown is a top 5 prospect on most list and has potential but if he ever realizes it thats another story.

Who's debating that? Certainly not me as you'll see from reading my posts. What I did say is that anyone who SELLS low now is foolish if they have a lot invested. WAY too soon!

weatherwarrior

03-04-2011, 06:37 PM

Who's debating that? Certainly not me as you'll see from reading my posts. What I did say is that anyone who SELLS low now is foolish if they have a lot invested. WAY too soon!

I think you may have misinterpreted what I was saying. I was basically stating his track record doesn't amount to much. Until someone proves they can do it at the big league level their stats in the minors are misleading. And I understand what you are saying about selling low but if he does flop those that hold too long will be face palming themselves wondering "why didn't I minimize my losses".

While I have already sold Brown's cards away from my collection when prices were fairly high(I had some elites and several sterlings) I would entertain grabbing some if they continue to fall. When/if sterlings reach the $10-15 dollar range I think Ill grab a few cause at that point if they completely tank you will be out less money than if you buy in at $30.

If he continues this trend though his cards will bottom out like many a failed prospect before him. I hope he doesn't I know some guys that are heavily invested in the $30-35 dollar range and if tanks they will hundreds if not thousands.

mgugs46

03-05-2011, 04:45 PM

Broken hamate bone for Brown .... gonna need surgery

patchgenie

03-05-2011, 04:52 PM

i'll buy some sterling autos for 5 dollars apiece

mdogg

03-05-2011, 04:58 PM

might as well give me that $$$$ BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gmarutiak

03-05-2011, 05:19 PM

Broken hamate bone for Brown .... gonna need surgery

OP looks like a genius! Go play the lottery immediately! ;)

crazy8parlay

03-05-2011, 05:39 PM

Well, I didn't want that to happen. He still had some good trade value, but now he's damaged goods.

death2redemptions

03-05-2011, 07:37 PM

Not even knowing who he was I pulled an autograph of his from 2011 Topps and it almost sold for $20. I was very surprised because I thought he was just another one of those guys who's autos sell for $1-3 a piece. So I guess I may have gotten a good deal? No? Yes?

crazy8parlay

03-05-2011, 07:58 PM

220sports

03-05-2011, 09:36 PM

weatherwarrior

03-05-2011, 10:37 PM

Since when does a broken wrist = career over?! This thread gets better and better. Bring this thread back up in 2 years if he isn't an All Star. Until then AND he gets the chance to play EVERY day and sucks, this bust talk is nonsense.

Jordan schafer from the braves system says a broken wrist is bad joo-joo. He was a highly touted prospect that raked in spring training and broke his wrist in the first week of the regular season and he has never hit the same.

Zacky1053

03-05-2011, 10:39 PM

Jordan schafer from the braves system says a broken wrist is bad joo-joo. He was a highly touted prospect that raked in spring training and broke his wrist in the first week of the regular season and he has never hit the same.

I remember his cards jumping pretty nicely at the time too.

7290morint

03-05-2011, 10:40 PM

He broke the hook of the hamate bone which will zap his power for over a year. If you read about anybody else who has broke that it takes over a year for the power to come back. If this is going to drop his auto prices, you can count me as a buyer.

crazy8parlay

03-05-2011, 10:48 PM

Jordan schafer from the braves system says a broken wrist is bad joo-joo. He was a highly touted prospect that raked in spring training and broke his wrist in the first week of the regular season and he has never hit the same.

Hey, maybe it will work for Brown then??

He wasn't hitting at all. Maybe things will get better?? (Probably NOT)

7290morint

03-05-2011, 10:51 PM

Hey, maybe it will work for Brown then??

He wasn't hitting at all. Maybe things will get better?? (Probably NOT)

You are really all in on Dominic Brown being a failure. At this point it almost seems like you are rooting for him to fail:( Like I said before; Cliff Lee was sent to the Minors after 3 major league season and now look at what he is.

crazy8parlay

03-05-2011, 10:56 PM

You are really all in on Dominic Brown being a failure. At this point it almost seems like you are rooting for him to fail:( Like I said before; Cliff Lee was sent to the Minors after 3 major league season and now look at what he is.

Throwing a ball, is a lot different than swinging a bat.

A pitcher has total control over what he's going to do with the ball.

A batter has no idea what is being thrown at him until the last half a second.

So don't compare batters to pitchers. To easy.

7290morint

03-05-2011, 11:00 PM

Throwing a ball, is a lot different than swinging a bat.

A pitcher has total control over what he's going to do with the ball.

A batter has no idea what is being thrown at him until the last half a second.

So don't compare batters to pitchers. To easy.

Doesn't matter. If it's as simple as just throwing the ball then why do some pitchers have a problem finding the strike zone? Why can't have every pitcher strike batters out? Oh I know, because it's not that simple. Having plate discipline and know what to swing and what not to swing at come with time. I still don't see why you are rooting for him to fail. As a Phillies fan you should be rooting for him more than anybody else. I guess at this point you have staked your claim as him being a failure so you don't really have much of a choice. All of his tools point to superstar and if they just give him some time to take his lumps and let him develop he'll be fine. Albert Pujols wasn't some highly touted prospect when he came up and look where he is. If the tools are there the rest will come. I don't understand why you are willing to write him after after less than 200 Major League At Bats when he's done nothing but rake at the minor league levels.

chansen10

03-05-2011, 11:12 PM

Just wanted to let everyone know willie mays started his carrer out 1-24 and look how he turned out

IamRalpho

03-05-2011, 11:15 PM

Jordan Schaefer was also suspended for juicing, so HOW is that a good comparison?

That had a bit to do with his failure as a prospect

weatherwarrior

03-05-2011, 11:30 PM

Jordan Schaefer was also suspended for juicing, so HOW is that a good comparison?

That had a bit to do with his failure as a prospect

Well considering he was suspended in 2008 and in spring training of 2009 he was the best hitter the braves had his cards skyrocketed he then hit two homers in the opening sereis against the phillies including one in his first AB. His cards were scorching. Then he broke his wrist and is just now able to show some of the promising power he once had. So his suspension didn't affect whether or not he failed his broken hand directly did.

IamRalpho

03-06-2011, 12:00 AM

It sure added to him being a failed prospect now didnt it?

7290morint

03-06-2011, 12:08 AM

I still wouldn't write Schaefer off as a bust yet. Yes, he was suspended for 50 games for a banned substance but I don't know that anybody knows what it was besides him (at least from everything that I have read). What happens if he has a big bounceback year? While injuries are not an excuse they are certainly a valid reason if someones numbers are not where you'd expect them to be. Somebody could be trying to play through pain and end up altering swing/pitching mechanics in order to compensate. Personally, I'd rather see Jordan Schaefer try to put something together instead of Nate McLouth...I just think all this talk of labeling somebody a bust is really silly. Carlos Pena is another example of somebody who didn't put it together until late. While he certainly wasn't great this past year he still hits for a ton of power and knows how to take a walk. Some people are just late bloomers.

weatherwarrior

03-06-2011, 12:19 AM

It sure added to him being a failed prospect now didnt it?

Well baseball America ranked him 25 in 2008 and42 in 2009 but the suspension was not the reason he failed he hurt his hand and tried to play through it. As far as his suspension was concerned he was suspended for suspected use he never tested positive. ANSI agree I would rather him play CF for Atlanta than mclouth.

hmmdecloth

03-06-2011, 01:55 AM

He may have broken his hand/wrist, but he was 1 for 1 = no longer a bust right? :)

beardawnwood

03-06-2011, 07:29 AM

out 3-6 weeks

crazy8parlay

03-06-2011, 08:01 AM

He's gonna start in AAA or AA. He needs to develope consistancy before they bring him back.

Ben Francisco has obviously won the job already.

mgugs46

03-06-2011, 08:24 AM

Breaking a hamate bone doesnt mean you are a bust. It does mean [more than likely] his power wont be fully back until at least some point during the 2012 season.

crazy8parlay

03-06-2011, 08:45 AM

Breaking a hamate bone doesnt mean you are a bust. It does mean [more than likely] his power wont be fully back until at least some point during the 2012 season.

Power is important. But even before he broke his hand, the only power he had was the power to move air. (and kill bugs)

crazy8parlay

03-06-2011, 08:51 AM

Shame B'Fran is already 29 years old. The way he's hitting the ball, he might've been a decent investment.

fishacura

03-06-2011, 11:20 AM

FUnny how everyone is so brilliant. Many of you must be multi-millionaires. If it was that easy to predict the future of prospects we'd all be on easy street.

For all anyone knows, the reason his winter ball and spring has been so poor is because he's been injured all along with a hairline that broke.

Just some really funny banter....entertaining. I just wish I had the ability to predict the future like some out here seem to be able to do. They must be on easy street so more power to them.

tehchamp

03-06-2011, 11:58 AM

Didn't Nomar Garciaparra break his wrist and then afterwards became virtually an average/below average SS?

crazy8parlay

05-21-2011, 09:22 PM

Season Debut: 0-5 with 2 K's and 5 LOB. EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.........

boxbreaker88

05-21-2011, 09:27 PM

crazy8 you are ignorant towards baseball obv.

just because a guy gets injured and goes 0-20 or 7/53 doesnt mean he is a bust

these guys have 1000's of at bats and over the course of their career they even out

dominic brown is a stud and hasnt even been in the mlb for a full year

give the kid a break he could have graduated college last year and just gotten drafted

mikey121581

05-21-2011, 09:29 PM

much rather have mayberry starting

warmouth

05-21-2011, 10:23 PM

From what I hear, and see on TV, Phillie fans are the worst to turn their backs on their teams. Any truth to this?

gomiamigo

05-21-2011, 11:31 PM

As opposed to not showing up to support your teams at all like in Atlanta?

shadymccoy25

05-21-2011, 11:39 PM

1 game into the season and he's getting Ryan Leaf treatment?

bradical

05-21-2011, 11:53 PM

Season Debut: 0-5 with 2 K's and 5 LOB. EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.........

0-for-4, actually.

Must suck to be only 23 and have your career wrote off.....

7290morint

05-22-2011, 12:01 AM

Season Debut: 0-5 with 2 K's and 5 LOB. EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.........

Yeah, at this point he's (crazy8) entrenched himself so far into thinking that Brown is going to be a failure that he has no choice but to point out every bad thing about Brown and actually root for him to fail. Yeah, I'd much rather have Ben Francisco & John Mayberry Jr. playing for my team to. You'd probably also rather keep running Raul Ibanez out there too despite the fact that he's old and hasn't done anything since 2009. Give me a break. I can't believe that someone who is a Phillies fan actually thinks someone who is believed to have all star potential by every major baseball writing organization is going to be a huge failure. Certainly there have been "can't miss" prospects before but all of them have had some areas of weakness in their game. I ask you, what is Browns? You are probably in the same camp that thinks Matt Wieters is bust as well.

chansen10

05-22-2011, 12:12 AM

season debut: 0-5 with 2 k's and 5 lob. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww.........
haha you know absolutely nothing about baseball this thread makes me laugh!

warmouth

05-22-2011, 12:51 PM

As opposed to not showing up to support your teams at all like in Atlanta?

So, are the Top 10 worst fans in sports correct about Philly? Better to not go than to go and boo your team players I would say. Plus, if you were to ever come to ATL, you would see that if you didnt live in the Atlanta area, its really hard to get to the games. Big city, and I for instance, live 2-3 hours away in good traffic.

shadymccoy25

05-22-2011, 02:11 PM

I would rather watch Domonic Brown go up there than constantly see Ben Francisco go 0-4 each night.

oldtimer65

05-22-2011, 03:19 PM

From what I hear, and see on TV, Phillie fans are the worst to turn their backs on their teams. Any truth to this?

Not all, but there are a lot. I've been a fan for 37 years, and I've seen the best & worst of the Phillies. Anybody who thinks Domonic Brown is a bust after less than a half season of AB's is a true Negadelphian. If anybody can get him straight, Uncle Cholly can.

hmmdecloth

05-22-2011, 06:56 PM

Still buying Domonic Brown :) Send your sell lists my way.

warmouth

05-23-2011, 12:09 AM

Not all, but there are a lot. I've been a fan for 37 years, and I've seen the best & worst of the Phillies. Anybody who thinks Domonic Brown is a bust after less than a half season of AB's is a true Negadelphian. If anybody can get him straight, Uncle Cholly can.

Thats what I am saying. Manuel will help, and it should be easy. Brown is a stud in his own right. I can see a McCutchen/Heyward type from him, only a better batting average and a few more XBHs.

bradical

05-31-2011, 08:19 PM

Now batting .344, 2-for-3 with a 2B (4) and HR (1) tonight.

shadymccoy25

05-31-2011, 08:22 PM

Glad you brought this thread back Bradical. I was just thinking about it after I saw him hit the bomb.

crazy8parlay

05-31-2011, 08:30 PM

When does he start playing against lefties? Watch those numbers drop like a rock when he does.

jusdukky

05-31-2011, 08:31 PM

Always a lot of arm chair experts out there.:rolleyes: They keep making predictions and eventually they get one right.

7290morint

05-31-2011, 08:34 PM

When does he start playing against lefties? Watch those numbers drop like a rock when he does.

I still don't get why you are rooting for him to fail:confused:

crazy8parlay

05-31-2011, 08:42 PM

I still don't get why you are rooting for him to fail:confused:

I'm not rooting for him to fail. I'd love it if he actually ended up being the stud everyone says he is, but I just don't see it.

If he could hit lefties, that would be one thing. Charlie won't even let him fail against lefties.

7290morint

05-31-2011, 08:43 PM

I'm not rooting for him to fail. I'd love it if he actually ended up being the stud everyone says he is, but I just don't see it.

If he could hit lefties, that would be one thing. Charlie won't even let him fail against lefties.

It's alright, I look forward to you having to eat your words at the end of the season; after he's established himself as a legitimate ROY candidate.:devil:

crazy8parlay

05-31-2011, 08:54 PM

It's alright, I look forward to you having to eat your words at the end of the season; after he's established himself as a legitimate ROY candidate.:devil:

Key Word: Candidate

Isn't everyone a candidate?

Shouldn't be too hard to win it actually. Not many rookies to look at this year.

Freddie? Not with a .261 BA
Aroldis? Dead Arm
Harper? Maybe in MILB

Anyone else?

ReinholdMessner

05-31-2011, 09:46 PM

I'm not rooting for him to fail. I'd love it if he actually ended up being the stud everyone says he is, but I just don't see it.

If he could hit lefties, that would be one thing. Charlie won't even let him fail against lefties.

Ryan Howard couldn't (can't) hit lefties either, he seems to be ok

YanksBillsFan

05-31-2011, 09:54 PM

Freeman isn't the only ATL rookie to garner ROY contender status. Kimbrel is off to a good start with 15 saves. Beachy was having a solid season before hitting the DL. Lyles had a good start and could get himself into the mix with continued success. Justin Turner is making a case with the May he had. Yeah it's not as deep as the 2010 crop but there's quality this year.

crazy8parlay

06-12-2011, 04:47 PM

Now buying ALL Domonic Brown cards. Really, they can't get much lower!
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JUST KIDDING! No point in losing money today!

crazy8parlay

06-22-2011, 09:48 PM

avjp87

06-22-2011, 09:52 PM

crazy8parlay

06-22-2011, 10:05 PM

He hasn't even played a full season yet, give him some time. Howard didn't explode on the scene right away, neither did Utley. It took them a good 1-2 years to really flourish in the Majors.

But from the looks of it, doesn't look like i can change your mind.

Howard was awesome when he came up. 24 HR's in his first 2 years (107 games combined) and he batted over .280. 58 HR's in his first full season.

If anything, Howard has been on a downswing since. Mostly because people know how to pitch to him.

avjp87

06-22-2011, 10:06 PM

Howard was awesome when he came up. 24 HR's in his first 2 years (107 games combined) and he batted over .280. 58 HR's in his first full season.

If anything, Howard has been on a downswing since. Mostly because people know how to pitch to him.

I mean right away, you gotta give the dude some time. What were you expecting him to do?

crazy8parlay

06-22-2011, 10:10 PM

I mean right away, you gotta give the dude some time. What were you expecting him to do?

Come on, Brown can hit .350 in AAA, but can't hit .225 with the big club. He's been up and down twice, it happened both times. Once when they bought him up the first time last year, and then this year when he got hurt and they put him through the system again. He destroyed minor league pitching, but he can't hit the big guys. Sorry, he's a waste of time. Let someone else teach him how to hit. I want to win the World Series this year while we have this pitching staff.

HUNTER is the KEY!

7290morint

06-22-2011, 10:11 PM

Anyone still buying this guys stuff?

5 for 46! Now batting .206

Hopefully Ruben can put a nice package together that includes Brown or Singleton, Blanton (and half his salary), and one of the big 3 low level pitching prospects (May, Cosart, or Colvin), and whatever else needed, so he can get Hunter Pence from Dead Wade in Houston. Might be difficult now being Brown's trade value is disappearing. This trade should've happened a year ago when Werth was leaving and Brown still had value. Would hate to see such a great team lose without a right handed bat behind Howard.

You have to be the only person following baseball who thinks this. I bet if you were to ask any one of the gm's they would trade for this guy in an instant if he were available, but I'm sure that he isn't.

You realize that Ryan Howard really isn't that much better right? Strikes out over 30% of the time, doesn't hit left handing pitching and doesn't play great defense at first base, but I'm sure you already knew that. At least Brown gives you plus defense in the outfield even if he isn't hitting and I'm sure it's not because "people know how to pitch to him".

Edit: Here is an article about how awful Ryan Howard is against left handed pitchers. Since that seems to be one of your biggest arguments against Brown. Just to put things in perspective.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/338608-an-achilles-heel-ryan-howards-weakness

"Since 2006, his season BA against LHP has plummeted from .271 to .207. If you keep looking at it continues to get worse. Against LHP he has 371 K's in 1060 PA. The touted sluggers SLG drops to .444 with a .310 OBP."

crazy8parlay

06-22-2011, 10:17 PM

You have to be the only person following baseball who thinks this. I bet if you were to ask any one of the gm's they would trade for this guy in an instant if he were available, but I'm sure that he isn't.

You realize that Ryan Howard really isn't that much better right? Strikes out over 30% of the time, doesn't hit left handing pitching and doesn't play great defense at first base, but I'm sure you already knew that. At least Brown gives you plus defense in the outfield even if he isn't hitting.

I agree Howard is overrated and is one of the biggest whiffers in the game. But he has no trade value and the Phillies would have to include about 40% of his salary in ANY deal involving him. Domonic Brown is not a great outfielder. I don't know what games you've been watching, but he has a hard time tracking line drives. The other night, Shane Victorino stepped in front of him to catch the ball.

7290morint

06-22-2011, 10:20 PM

I agree Howard is overrated and is one of the biggest whiffers in the game. But he has no trade value and the Phillies would have to include about 40% of his salary in ANY deal involving him. Domonic Brown is not a great outfielder. I don't know what games you've been watching, but he has a hard time tracking line drives. The other night, Shane Victorino stepped in front of him to catch the ball.

You don't work much with numbers and sample sizes do you? So because Victorino had to step in on one play he's a terrible defender? Since he's had less than 500 major league at bats you are ready to write of Browns career? You are something else. You act like he's Chris Davis at the plate. You've probably written off Matt Weiters too. Don't you have a new topps product to b*tch about?

warmouth

06-22-2011, 10:25 PM

IMHO, Brown is overall, a better pick than Heyward or Stanton. The Scouts have touted him for years. They see something. As an all-around player, I believe Brown to be the best of the 2 mentioned, long term that is. Only an opinion.

crazy8parlay

06-22-2011, 10:31 PM

You don't work much with numbers and sample sizes do you? So because Victorino had to step in on one play he's a terrible defender? Since he's had less than 500 major league at bats you are ready to write of Browns career? You are something else. Don't you have a new topps product to b*tch about?

Right now (and for the past 9 months) the numbers tell me he won't amount to much. He can't hit lefties. Right now, he can't hit righties. I started this thread almost 4 months ago, nothing's changed. Seriously, I'm running out of reasons here. He booted a ground ball down the line about a month ago that allowed a guy on first to score. The ball wasn't even going fast. He backed off a linedrive in Worley's first start against the Braves last year which was the only hit Worley gave up in the outing. In his 42 games that he's played, he has 3 errors and only 1 assist. Not good when you have more errors than assists!

burgbasher

06-22-2011, 11:12 PM

Right now (and for the past 9 months) the numbers tell me he won't amount to much. He can't hit lefties. Right now, he can't hit righties. I started this thread almost 4 months ago, nothing's changed. Seriously, I'm running out of reasons here. He booted a ground ball down the line about a month ago that allowed a guy on first to score. The ball wasn't even going fast. He backed off a linedrive in Worley's first start against the Braves last year which was the only hit Worley gave up in the outing. In his 42 games that he's played, he has 3 errors and only 1 assist. Not good when you have more errors than assists!

crazy i'll have 2 say you are 1fake azz philly fan.All you do is trash this kid time and time again like your some fake espn analist . :rolleyes:

boxbreaker88

06-22-2011, 11:17 PM

he mustve punched you in the face or something because you hate him so much

burgbasher

06-22-2011, 11:30 PM

Or maybe he had a man crush on Dom and Dom said i don't swing that way .

hmmdecloth

06-22-2011, 11:40 PM

I'm still buying Jon or anyone who is selling.

crazy8parlay

06-23-2011, 06:57 AM

Or maybe he had a man crush on Dom and Dom said i don't swing that way .

Poor guy, we're talking baseball and you're thinking about gay things.

fishacura

06-23-2011, 07:27 AM

Agree that Brown could be a solid pro and it's too early to say. Also have to defend howard a bit here. The guy is a lifetime .280 40 HR guy who has reached major HR milestones faster than anyone in the game. Yes he strikes out a lot and it drives me nuts. But if you could have a guy who strikes out a lot but gives you .280 and 40 every year, would you take him?

Mike Schmidt is LOVED in this town and at the end of his career Howard is on pace to beat him in HRs and BA. Now Schmidt's defense was unreal and Howard is nowhere close. But Howard's defense has improved every year and he's at least average now. He's also very good at digging balls out of the dirt on errant throws.

Just saying...is he a HOFer...probably not unless he plays for a while and gets that HR number way up there. But the guy gets knocked for all the SOs which are annoying but at the end of the day look at the whole picture....not too many other first basemen in the league I would want over him.

ReinholdMessner

06-23-2011, 07:59 AM

The Phillies have tinkered so much with Dom's swing that I think it's foolish to judge him as a hitter right now. There have been at least 3 versions of it in this most recent stint in MLB.
I definitely don't like his tendency to pull off on everything. He hits a crap-ton of ground balls to 2nd base. That said, he was a toolsy guy to begin with.... if you didn't know he was raw, you weren't paying attention. He was never going to be the kind of guy to hit .300 out of the gate. It's pretty amazing he got to the majors as fast as he did, but now he really needs prolonged exposure to MLB pitching.
I also don't share the disdain for his fielding. He does look tentative on his routes at times, but he has a ++ arm to make up for it

btimm

06-23-2011, 08:03 AM

Strikeouts for big power hitters are nowhere near as bad as people make them out to be. Guy on first, you prefer Howard strike out or GIDP? I understand the strategy of baseball and that advancing runners is a productive at bat, but I don't think that is always true. I think for a guy whose main attribute is power, the team doesn't need him to try and move the runner. The team needs him to try and rake. And how many strikeouts occur without a man on base anyways? Wouldn't a K therefore be the same exact thing as a fly out? Stop worrying so much about Ks people!!

And it is far too early to tell anything about Brown yet, this is ridiculous.

burgbasher

06-23-2011, 11:03 AM

Poor guy, we're talking baseball and you're thinking about gay things.

Well this post was directed at you .:)! And for Brown he's only played how long a month so far 4 hr isn't that horrible .But his avg could be better but he's still a rookie ,and slumping right now to judge him with only a full month of playing time is amatuer .

burgbasher

06-24-2011, 11:41 PM

2-2 2bb not to bad of a night.

crazy8parlay

07-27-2011, 11:24 PM

Looks like Ruben will be including Domonic Brown in a trade for Hunter Pence!

Better move those Browns now!

7290morint

07-28-2011, 10:19 PM

Looks like Ruben will be including Domonic Brown in a trade for Hunter Pence!

Better move those Browns now!

Looks like it's not anywhere close to being a done deal and that Brown is off the table and if they don't have a deal by tomorrow afternoon the Astros are moving on.

mlb trade deadline hunter pence houston astros - MLB News | FOX Sports on MSN (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/mlb-trade-deadline-hunter-pence-houston-astros-philadelphia-phillies-072811)

greenjdo

07-28-2011, 10:42 PM

Calm down. He is a highly ranked prospect, just a kid. If they will just leave him alone and let him swing the way he has had success in the past he will develop quit nicely. Above average speed and a good defender. Offensively as he fills out some more his power will increase and he will learn to be more patient at the plate with experience.

Not a good defender with a reportedly below average work ethic.... Doesn't run out hits and loafs in the outfield..... Season ticket aNd Dom brown jersey owner saying this...send him for pence now

greenjdo

07-28-2011, 10:44 PM

greenjdo

07-28-2011, 10:50 PM

I agree Howard is overrated and is one of the biggest whiffers in the game. But he has no trade value and the Phillies would have to include about 40% of his salary in ANY deal involving him. Domonic Brown is not a great outfielder. I don't know what games you've been watching, but he has a hard time tracking line drives. The other night, Shane Victorino stepped in front of him to catch the ball.

How is a guy that is 2nd in the league in RBI overrated? His 1-3 hitters have all been hurt or horribly slumping at one point.... Not to mention the 5 hole production.....this will all change when he goes crazy in Aug-sept and carries the offense again

7290morint

07-28-2011, 10:50 PM

Not a good defender with a reportedly below average work ethic.... Doesn't run out hits and loafs in the outfield..... Season ticket aNd Dom brown jersey owner saying this...send him for pence now

What are you basing this on? Less than a full season of major league baseball? The preferred method of measuring how strong a players defense is ultimate zone rating (UZR) which requires a very large sample size (1+ seasons) and even then is not perfect. Considering he was very raw when drafted out of high school and has developed into a highly ranked prospect by every baseball organization (ESPN, BA, Baseball Intellect, etc...) I'd say he has a pretty solid work ethic. Amazing how much people want to rag on this guy with less than a season of baseball. Most talent evaluators give players a full two seasons before they start to even consider changing their opinions on players. If Brown was no good or the Phillies thought he was going to be no good they would have already unloaded him.

greenjdo

07-28-2011, 10:54 PM

What are you basing this on? Less than a full season of major league baseball? The preferred method of measuring how strong a players defense is ultimate zone rating (UZR) which requires a very large sample size (1+ seasons) and even then is not perfect. Considering he was very raw when drafted out of high school and has developed into a highly ranked prospect by every baseball organization (ESPN, BA, Baseball Intellect, etc...) I'd say he has a pretty solid work ethic. Amazing how much people want to rag on this guy with less than a season of baseball. Most talent evaluators give players a full two seasons before they start to even consider changing their opinions on players. If Brown was no good or the Phillies thought he was going to be no good they would have already unloaded him.

I've watched play in the minors...not a strong arm and take bad routes... I'm good friends with a beat writer this is where he work ethic questioning is from....1 assist this year!

I would take a pence at 27 that has been stuck in A bad lineup than a young Dom brown.... The year before Michael Taylor was traded he was a highly ranked prospect that was untouchable per the phils brass.... Where is Taylor now?

7290morint

07-28-2011, 11:00 PM

I've watched play in the minors...not a strong arm and take bad routes... I'm good friends with a beat writer this is where he work ethic questioning is from....1 assist this year!

I would take a pence at 27 that has been stuck in A bad lineup than a young Dom brown.... The year before Michael Taylor was traded he was a highly ranked prospect that was untouchable per the phils brass.... Where is Taylor now?

Unless you are a trained talent evaluator this means little to nothing. That being said defensive routes were the one thing that evaluators had said he needs to work on. You know how that will happen? By playing everyday. Again, number of assists mean little to nothing with such a small sample size. Seriously, Philadelphia has one of the best records in baseball and is very capable of winning the world series but somehow it's still not enough. Unreal. I also don't ever remember Michael Taylor being that highly ranked ever by any organization. May have been a top 100 guy but never in the top 10 or at the very top like Brown.

dmott19

07-28-2011, 11:06 PM

7290morint

07-28-2011, 11:10 PM

I dont want him for Pence. As an Astros fan, I would not be happy without Vance Worley. And if the Phillies dont want to do that, Id like to see Pence stay put for the rest of the season. Ed Wade cant get fired fast enough. Once again, IMO.

Why? So you can have another J.A. Happ?:eek: I would steer clear of Vance Worley if I was the Astros that is for sure. Everyone knows his value will never be higher than it is right now and there is no way he will sustain the success that he has been having thats why the Phillies have been trying so hard to make him the centerpiece of a deal. I haven't read one piece of scouting that projects him as more than a 5th starter or reliever unless he can develop an actual changeup that is at least average.

dmott19

07-28-2011, 11:15 PM

Why? So you can have another J.A. Happ?:eek: I would steer clear of Vance Worley if I was the Astros that is for sure. Everyone knows his value will never be higher than it is right now and there is no way he will sustain the success that he has been having thats why the Phillies have been trying so hard to make him the centerpiece of a deal.

I like to think Worley is different than Happ, but Ive been wrong before. Worley is 23 and When Happ came over, he was 26 or 27. I just dont like any of the trades Ive seen yet. I hold Pence with a high Value (as do the Astros obviously) and would love to keep him on the squad.

Im just bitter from some of the past trades done by Mr. Wade.

greenjdo

07-28-2011, 11:23 PM

Why? So you can have another J.A. Happ?:eek: I would steer clear of Vance Worley if I was the Astros that is for sure. Everyone knows his value will never be higher than it is right now and there is no way he will sustain the success that he has been having thats why the Phillies have been trying so hard to make him the centerpiece of a deal. I haven't read one piece of scouting that projects him as more than a 5th starter or reliever unless he can develop an actual changeup that is at least average.

At least we agree on Worley... I'm happy to give up Worley for pence

7290morint

07-28-2011, 11:27 PM

At least we agree on Worley... I'm happy to give up Worley for pence

Ha ha, I think anybody would!!!:eek:

greenjdo

07-28-2011, 11:40 PM

Unless you are a trained talent evaluator this means little to nothing. That being said defensive routes were the one thing that evaluators had said he needs to work on. You know how that will happen? By playing everyday. Again, number of assists mean little to nothing with such a small sample size. Seriously, Philadelphia has one of the best records in baseball and is very capable of winning the world series but somehow it's still not enough. Unreal. I also don't ever remember Michael Taylor being that highly ranked ever by any organization. May have been a top 100 guy but never in the top 10 or at the very top like Brown.

I don't need to be a scout to see his throws are slow to release and far from accurate... Even pat the bat threw people out

His uzr or total zone stats are all negative....That's over six seasons....no difference in playing a minor leaguers hit or a major leaguers....i

greenjdo

07-28-2011, 11:42 PM

Also, Taylor was 29 by baseball America when brown was 15

7290morint

07-28-2011, 11:58 PM

I don't need to be a scout to see his throws are slow to release and far from accurate... Even pat the bat threw people out

His uzr or total zone stats are all negative....That's over six seasons....no difference in playing a minor leaguers hit or a major leaguers....i

Also, Taylor was 29 by baseball America when brown was 15

That was 2010. In 2011 D. Brown was #4 by BA and Taylor wasn't even on the list. There were always questions about his ability though which hasn't been the case with Brown. Defensive routes & UZR numbers aside I still don't think that's enough to write him off. There have been plenty of offensive minded players who lack in the defense area. Less than a full season of at bats is simply not enough to say he's never going to develop into anything. You guys would rather watch Ryan Howard hack away with his sub .800 OPS and sub .200 avg against lefties. Just wait until that contract extension kicks in. We'll just agree to disagree and time will tell.

greenjdo

07-29-2011, 06:51 AM

That was 2010. In 2011 D. Brown was #4 by BA and Taylor wasn't even on the list. There were always questions about his ability though which hasn't been the case with Brown. Defensive routes & UZR numbers aside I still don't think that's enough to write him off. There have been plenty of offensive minded players who lack in the defense area. Less than a full season of at bats is simply not enough to say he's never going to develop into anything. You guys would rather watch Ryan Howard hack away with his sub .800 OPS and sub .200 avg against lefties. Just wait until that contract extension kicks in. We'll just agree to disagree and time will tell.
That is my point on taylor, from 29 in bb to off the list!!

As far as ryan, his ops will not be sub 800 in a month...
No worries buddy, just discussion

crazy8parlay

07-29-2011, 07:10 AM

7290morint

07-29-2011, 07:58 PM

Worley is off the table with Blanton being done and Oswalt being an unknown risk.

With the Phillies just losing the 3 game series to the Giants, I expect a deal to be done today.

Good Bye D'Brown, I won't miss ya!

Looks like Singleton, Cosart and 2 PTBNL.

Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/mlbtraderumors/status/97108456003223552)

dizzyduff13

07-29-2011, 08:07 PM

Why is Pence still in the game then?

whywhy

07-29-2011, 08:09 PM

Looks like Singleton, Cosart and 2 PTBNL.

Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/mlbtraderumors/status/97108456003223552)

i would LOVE that trade!!!!!!

7290morint

07-29-2011, 08:14 PM

Why is Pence still in the game then?

Not sure, but it's being confirmed by multiple sources now.

Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/SI_JonHeyman/status/97111143654502402)

crazy8parlay

07-29-2011, 08:44 PM

7290morint

07-29-2011, 08:46 PM

Actually, it's Singleton, Cosart, and Domonic Brown. But the Astros don't want Brown, so they are trying to trade him for prospects to another team.

I've heard a lot of weird scenarios over the past 12 hours. One was Domonic Brown going to the Yankees and Dellin Betances goes to the Astros.

You are so full of sh*t. If they were trading Brown they would have done it already. Care to post a reliable link where this is coming from? Face it, the Phillies value Brown and that's all there is to it. Furthermore, you don't think the deal would have been done already if they included Brown?

crazy8parlay

07-29-2011, 08:47 PM

You are so full of sh*t. If they were trading Brown they would have done it already. Care to post a reliable link where this is coming from? Face it, the Phillies value Brown and that's all there is to it. Furthermore, you don't think the deal would have been done already if they included Brown?

That's what it was this afternoon. Haven't exactly been paying attention the past 6 hours. I guess something has changed?

7290morint

07-29-2011, 08:50 PM

Phillies To Acquire Hunter Pence: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/phillies-astros-progressing-toward-pence-deal.html)

Singleton, Cosart & 2 PTBNL.

death2redemptions

07-29-2011, 09:44 PM

Why is Pence still in the game then?

What do you mean by that?

7290morint

07-29-2011, 09:45 PM

What do you mean by that?

He wasn't removed from the game until the 5th inning. Typically if a player is going to be traded they are taken out of the lineup before the game starts or removed immediately upon the trade being agreed upon. He wasn't removed until later.

death2redemptions

07-29-2011, 09:47 PM

He wasn't removed from the game until the 5th inning. Typically if a player is going to be traded they are taken out of the lineup before the game starts or removed immediately upon the trade being agreed upon. He wasn't removed until later.

OK, thanks for the info

avjp87

07-29-2011, 09:50 PM

Domonic Brown is not being traded.

greenjdo

07-30-2011, 12:50 AM

You are so full of sh*t. If they were trading Brown they would have done it already. Care to post a reliable link where this is coming from? Face it, the Phillies value Brown and that's all there is to it. Furthermore, you don't think the deal would have been done already if they included Brown?

Jayson stark did report the attempt of three way trading.... So Dom to lehigh valley.... See you in september

ReinholdMessner

07-30-2011, 06:38 AM

Jayson stark did report the attempt of three way trading.... So Dom to lehigh valley.... See you in september

not happening, dom is getting a real chance to develop, deal with it

greenjdo

07-30-2011, 07:09 AM

not happening, dom is getting a real chance to develop, deal with it

What's not happening, I'm happy as a clam that Dom brown is not gonna be the phillies starting RF!!!:flex:

If he were getting a real chance to develop he would be in the minors:)!

gasper33

07-30-2011, 07:52 AM

It almost did happen, d. brown for d. Betances. Yankees backed out last second!!

crazy8parlay

09-08-2011, 12:47 PM

Wow, what a drop in D'Brown prices recently. Sterling auto is as low as $10 on the bay now. Hope you guys aren't looking for your wallets!

crazy8parlay

10-05-2011, 01:06 PM

So are all you Domonic Brownosers still buying his cards?

WCTYSON

10-05-2011, 01:38 PM

So are all you Domonic Brownosers still buying his cards?

Why not? Buy low and sell high. You should be doing the same. ;)

death2redemptions

10-05-2011, 01:40 PM

I watched him play against the Braves and he doesn't look like anything special. He'll probably bat under .250 every season and I don't see him hitting anymore than 20-25 HR's. He may do better with another team. Trying to make a come up with a team like the Phillies must cause lots of anxiety trying to live up to the potential that he's projected to have. I think he'd do better playing with a non contending team.

bradical

10-05-2011, 01:49 PM

So are all you Domonic Brownosers still buying his cards?

Indeed. Just got a nice 30-card 2008 Chrome lot for $5 dlvd.

breakinsanity

03-09-2016, 09:31 AM

Anyone on this post still buying Domonic Brown cards? Funny read.

theflushingmets

03-09-2016, 09:35 AM

i actually just bought a few for next to nothing. call me crazy but ill roll the dice on a few dollar autos in case he pans out in toronto. its a nice place to hit and that lineup has lots of protection. i wasn't in on him back then though. now i see a nice buy low candidate. aaron hicks has been my other buy low candidate this year. yankee stadium could be very nice to him if he gets a few hundred at bats.