Cards being sold raw now, that's 99% not gradeable...

[messier2]

I'd be weary of buying any RAW:

2017-18 Prizm Rookies (Tatum, Mitchell, etc.)
2018-19 Prizm Rookies (Luka, Trae, etc.)

Lebron RC's
Kobe RC's

Basically any non-2019-20 RC's RAW...your odds of landing a GEM card is very low. You may get a 8 or 9, but don't expect at 9.5 or 10.

For 2019-20...at least you have a shot as many are still ripping and listing.

Any other notable cards?

[Jmsiak13]

Not everyone cares about grading

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[messier2]

Not everyone cards about grading

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Well, with money going around now for PSA 10 examples...yes, grading is what many are planning to do.

BUT, if you like non-gradeable raw cards, go for it!

[glen87]

not everyone cares about landing a GEM card

[messier2]

not everyone cares about landing a GEM card

Yes, great. Go buy them, so the ones interested in grading don't have to get damaged cards! :)

[patchgenie]

haha. i don't like grading and would never grade. stick to psa:)!

[bballautographs]

I hate grading and have never sent cards in to be graded. Pretty sure I am not alone in this sentiment

[alexlazarevich]

I prefer to have imperfections on my cards rather than a slabbed PSA 10 and always wondering if some cheesedick trimmed it before it was graded.

[bustsomewax]

Big if true.

[discodanman45]

I hate grading and have never sent cards in to be graded. Pretty sure I am not alone in this sentiment

I will be grading cards that I know will have long-term value. It will make them easier to sell when I pass them on to my kids. My PC cards with minimal value will never get graded to keep the collection uniform, even if a few have good value. I am not really doing it for myself, but for the sake of my kids to make sure they have an easier time getting money for the cards.

[The Accountant]

Only reason I would grade, which I don’t, is to much some money. Grading is overrated but dinguses gonna dingus.

[isles4life]

you shouldn't be buying raw cards if you are always expecting a gem

[messier2]

you shouldn't be buying raw cards if you are always expecting a gem

That's always been my buying mindset. When I buy raw, I expect 8 or 9. If I get a 9.5 or 10 gradeable cards...I'm ecstatic!

[anm2231]

Is this breaking news?

[messier2]

Is this breaking news?

No, but LOTS of newbies on here lately and I want to set their expectations.

[cowboyzqna]

Bought a raw Kobe topps rc and a raw lebron topps rc a few months ago. The kobe got a respectable 8.5 and the lebron dimed.


Not everyone in the hobby grades. Honest sellers are more prevalent than dishonest ones.



This thread made me look up what the LeBron is doing... Swear that card goes up a couple bills a week :eek: Goodness. Over 4k?

The kobe and Lebron where 330 dlvd.

[RadicalAlmond]

I think a better way to write this thread is:

I find it crazy people are willing to pay more for a raw Luka Silver then a 9. I mean are you with me?

[thefranchise3]

I think a better way to write this thread is:

I find it crazy people are willing to pay more for a raw Luka Silver then a 9. I mean are you with me?

It's criminal how some PSA 9's are close to raw cards. Just picked up a Mahomes Pink Optic for barely above a raw sells for.

[messier2]

I think a better way to write this thread is:

I find it crazy people are willing to pay more for a raw Luka Silver then a 9. I mean are you with me?

That's a whole different topic altogether. But, yes, those paying more for raw is taking a HUGE gamble on its potential grade...lots of gamblers in the market now!

[gowizards0]

It's criminal how some PSA 9's are close to raw cards. Just picked up a Mahomes Pink Optic for barely above a raw sells for.

Agreed but the separation has started

[discodanman45]

Your chances of buying a PSA 9 card and resubmitting it to PSA for a PSA 10 is greater than buying a raw card on ebay and getting a PSA 9...

[Jmsiak13]

I will be grading cards that I know will have long-term value. It will make them easier to sell when I pass them on to my kids. My PC cards with minimal value will never get graded to keep the collection uniform, even if a few have good value. I am not really doing it for myself, but for the sake of my kids to make sure they have an easier time getting money for the cards.Mate that's exactly what I'm hoping for with my cards...when I'm long gone and if my son ever needs money then he can do what he wants with them..(I hope he keeps them all though [emoji23])

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[Jmsiak13]

Only reason I would grade, which I don’t, is to much some money. Grading is overrated but dinguses gonna dingus.Dinguses gonna dingus...haha...I like that one

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[Cavs16]

99% wrong. I like my cards raw, I don’t grade. Plus have you seen some of those PSA 10s out there, they look worse then my junk drawer cards.....totally subjective and depends if you paid a premium.

[hairyangryfella]

Not everyone cares about grading


And/or live in a country where it's easily accessible or affordable...

[ovrcollect]

It will only get more difficult to buy raw with the intention of grading. Everyone and their sister has access to easy submission through PSA/BGS directly or through group submissions.

I'm only now wondering if this is another reason wax prices are flying... easiest access to what you would assume will be a high grade rc

[Jmsiak13]

And/or live in a country where it's easily accessible or affordable...True that ..I've never sent a card for grading...in the US it sounds so cheap..$11 bucks or something isn't it ? Honestly for that price I can see why psa has grading issues lol. That's quite cheap for something that increases the price 10 fold lol. You pay for what you get, hence why I don't grade..and even more of a reason is the constant fbi investigations yet ppl still send bulk lots in for grading..it's like wtf is wrong with you

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[Sportnut08]

How are there even any gem Prizm rookies? They're all scratched on the back.

[gomiamigo]

I haven't graded any base before I'm quite sure some are 10s or 9.5s.

[Inferno]

You really have to dig to find threads on this forum that aren't all about the money. They are more rare than Black Labels.

[phisouza33]

Who invited this guy?

[fumanchu]

this year alone i've had so many buyers want a return cause they don't think it will gem, this year only...never before

[messier2]

this year alone i've had so many buyers want a return cause they don't think it will gem, this year only...never before

Yup, this is the year of the new collectors and people not understanding the card/grading/pricing/re-sale process...and taking advantage of ebay's return policy.

[Vinny1984]

this year alone i've had so many buyers want a return cause they don't think it will gem, this year only...never before

I’m selling 3 base adebayo optic rcs for $20. Got a message asking for specifics on every card. I can understand that for a $100 card. 20 freaking dollars. I have no intent to respond.

[messier2]

I’m selling 3 base adebayo optic rcs for $20. Got a message asking for specifics on every card. I can understand that for a $100 card. 20 freaking dollars. I have no intent to respond.

I would say 99% of the time, they won't be satisfied with the purchase.

I'm not sure if blocking them is the answer...but that has crossed my mind many times when I get these inquiries.

[integrity8]

Your chances of buying a PSA 9 card and resubmitting it to PSA for a PSA 10 is greater than buying a raw card on ebay and getting a PSA 9...

I 100% agree with this comment...

[Arianny_Fan]

Grading sucks. Why do these threads always pop up. Stop glorifying grading when it's not all what its cracked up to be. Are you one of GaryVee's homeboys?

[Jopeal]

Thread should be retitled 'Be wary of selling cards raw on the internet'

[bdrr]

Thread should be a title, "get rich quick idiots want zero risk to their schemes"

By the way, if you think raw cards don't have value, and can't jump quickly, you live under a rock.

[MPA8877]

Believe it or not, a higher graded card doesn’t add inches to your d*ck

[ucLAkers]

There really have been alot more questions about surface lines & scratches....even on $10-$20 cards its nuts. But like always...they are still a potential customer so im nice about it and reply. Just barely told one guy yesterday “buy the card not the grade”..he bought the card.

[chuckerrrr]

Thing that really is a problem is the dinguses will buy your raw card on ebay at the lowest price listed and expect a gem when gems cost 5x the price.


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[dwtaylor1055]

If you plan to purchase a RAW card, you're taking the risk of it grading horribly or possibly grading as a true Gem or pristine. All a game of risk.

I am Leary of buying anything older than this current years rookies especially of Luka/Tatum/etc as they are either being listed for sale due to the card condition or because people are spending an outrageous amount of money on a single card and is an easy way to make a quick buck.

I purchased a Lebron Bowman RC for around $300 in April before prices skyrocketed which to me looks very solid in person. Luka raw prizm rcs are around $250 to $300 which is insane considering he's only in year 2. Yes this kid has a very bright future and oozing with potential as does Zion and Ja and Tatum, however, if I can spend a little more for a Lebron rc Im choosing this route.

[JP Universe]

I buy raw almost exclusively, with the expectation that there’s a small ‘flaw’ somewhere... As long as it doesn’t take away from my enjoyment of the card. To me there’s virtually no risk

There are occasions where I get a ‘IMO‘ A PSA 9 worthy or gem mint card. Of course... they will be sent off for grading. Just part of the fun of the hobby (Shrug)

[MyckKabongo]

People are mad at the OP, but he's got a good point. The noobs and people grilling ebay sellers about condition of raw cards should assume that for certain cards there is a near 0% chance of buying a raw gem. With expectations in check, this should result in fewer returns, fewer overall hassles for sellers and more satisfied buyers.

[KhalDrogo]

I must buy the right stuff, because my raw gem rate is way over 1%. Have to know what to buy and who to buy from.

[JeremyNick]

I don’t grade and sell anything I have as raw, nothing any issues I can see. I’m not a grader but I’ve sold some cards that I thought would be 9s minimum. I just don’t have the time or energy to grade.

[sethc1020]

Yeah pretty much anything higher end or more than 2-3 years old I just assume its either not grade worthy or that it has already been graded and cracked.

[messier2]

People are mad at the OP, but he's got a good point. The noobs and people grilling ebay sellers about condition of raw cards should assume that for certain cards there is a near 0% chance of buying a raw gem. With expectations in check, this should result in fewer returns, fewer overall hassles for sellers and more satisfied buyers.

SethC1020: Yeah pretty much anything higher end or more than 2-3 years old I just assume its either not grade worthy or that it has already been graded and cracked.

^^^

These are my points on making this thread. Just buyer beware, that's all. So many newbies on this forum, I want to let them know that be careful buying raw cards from non 2019-20 "hot" (or even common) rookies.

Less headaches for you and less headaches for the seller!

[KhalDrogo]

Nobody should buy raw. Only buy slabbed. Make things easier for guys like me.

[Vinny1984]

The biggest takeaway I got from this thread is that if you grade your cardboard or even care the slightest about having a pristine copy, you have been kicked off the cool table at lunch. This reminds me of high school.

[Orangejello727]

Most of my cards are raw. I only get them slabbed if they go crazy in price.

I just pulled out like 5 x Tatum / Mitchell prizm rookie from my box breaks the other night to get graded because they are worth selling in psa 10 slabs. If people did this more often, there wouldn't be a back log at PSA for months/years. That coupled with the fact that odd people are grading everything no matter what. I dont understand why people grade penny cards. Its like they bust a box of topps baseball and grade every card they pull.

[messier2]

The biggest takeaway I got from this thread is that if you grade your cardboard or even care the slightest about having a pristine copy, you have been kicked off the cool table at lunch. This reminds me of high school.

Well there are a lot of grading "haters" out there for whatever reason and that's fine. They are entitled to their opinion and not spend their money with the grading companies. Others choose to, and are doing well (same as the non-graders).

But, the $$$$ coming from selling graded cards is undeniable. The price difference between a raw, 9, and 10 are staggering. I want to set a lower expectation for newbies buying raw cards, that's all. Don't expect a BGS 9.5 on a Tatum silver you buy raw...why hasn't it been slabbed yet? Damage, print lines, who know?! lol

Also, since box prices are super high, you don't see older product being busted regularly...so, the chances of getting a gem card is even lower since many are cherry-picked to death.

[zephyr]

graded is over rated always has been

[WillBBC]

If you plan to purchase a RAW card, you're taking the risk of it grading horribly or possibly grading as a true Gem or pristine. All a game of risk.

I am Leary of buying anything older than this current years rookies especially of Luka/Tatum/etc as they are either being listed for sale due to the card condition or because people are spending an outrageous amount of money on a single card and is an easy way to make a quick buck.

I purchased a Lebron Bowman RC for around $300 in April before prices skyrocketed which to me looks very solid in person. Luka raw prizm rcs are around $250 to $300 which is insane considering he's only in year 2. Yes this kid has a very bright future and oozing with potential as does Zion and Ja and Tatum, however, if I can spend a little more for a Lebron rc Im choosing this route.


This is what wrinkles my brain more than anything. We're five years away from LeBron's Chrome rookies still being around 100-150 raw and gems well south of a grand.

This is LeBron James. In 2015 he was already in the conversation as one of the greatest athletes of all time and his most iconic rookie was still very much affordable to the masses (I like to keep Exquisite separate from these conversations).

I love Luka, I love Zion, I even love Morant. But it just confuses the heck out of me that Luka Prizm rookies are approaching $1000 as PSA 10s when it took LeBron a solid 13-14 years for that to be the case. Blows my mind.

[hauntedcomputer]

All this is just evidence to me that this is a vibrant hobby made up of lots of different people with very individually peculiar tastes. Good thing not everyone wants the same thing, or there would be no hobby because none of us could afford that Big Thing. And then people would stop caring and even the Big Thing would be worthless and no fun.

[dwtaylor1055]

This is what wrinkles my brain more than anything. We're five years away from LeBron's Chrome rookies still being around 100-150 raw and gems well south of a grand.

This is LeBron James. In 2015 he was already in the conversation as one of the greatest athletes of all time and his most iconic rookie was still very much affordable to the masses (I like to keep Exquisite separate from these conversations).

I love Luka, I love Zion, I even love Morant. But it just confuses the heck out of me that Luka Prizm rookies are approaching $1000 as PSA 10s when it took LeBron a solid 13-14 years for that to be the case. Blows my mind.

Agree 100%! Luka/Zion/Ja imo will not pass Lebron, not sure anyone will in the near future and it blows my mind that Lukas base prizms psa 10s are doing close to $1k and Luka hasn't even completed his second season yet. I understand times have changed and due to the Covid-19 situation there has been a shift in sports cards an stuff is at an all time high. Its bound to start a downward spiral at some point but when is key.

[Vinny1984]

Well there are a lot of grading "haters" out there for whatever reason and that's fine. They are entitled to their opinion and not spend their money with the grading companies. Others choose to, and are doing well (same as the non-graders).

But, the $$$$ coming from selling graded cards is undeniable. The price difference between a raw, 9, and 10 are staggering. I want to set a lower expectation for newbies buying raw cards, that's all. Don't expect a BGS 9.5 on a Tatum silver you buy raw...why hasn't it been slabbed yet? Damage, print lines, who know?! lol

Also, since box prices are super high, you don't see older product being busted regularly...so, the chances of getting a gem card is even lower since many are cherry-picked to death.

OP, I’m completely with you. There’s a lot of new folk entering the hobby that are just trying to get there feet wet. They may think it’s the “norm” to buy and expect gem and then return when it won’t.

This thread turned into a graded vs non-graded argument which should be expected I guess. To the new folk here, skip past all the elementary posts complaining about grading. Understand that most raw cards for sale are raw for a reason. You can find gems out there if you’re willing to put the time in. Ask sellers for more pictures but ask in a polite and professional way. Also understand that if you do return an item because it won’t gem, you will more than likely be put on the blocked buyers list on here. Don’t underestimate the power of these boards. There are a ton of influential sellers that are very active here and a lot more that watch from the sidelines. End rant.

[Filthy]

Who cares? You want to throw out percentages... How about this one? 99% of people collecting cards DON'T CARE about grading.

[Vinny1984]

All this is just evidence to me that this is a vibrant hobby made up of lots of different people with very individually peculiar tastes. Good thing not everyone wants the same thing, or there would be no hobby because none of us could afford that Big Thing. And then people would stop caring and even the Big Thing would be worthless and no fun.

100% this. Case in point: I have 0 interest in ever attaining a Jordan rookie. I was born in 84 so I got to watch his career but wasn’t able to be fully vested in him. By the time I could really understand sports, Lebron was the guy followed by Kobe. The TC refractors of both are my bucket list cards. It’s the same thought for the generation just entering the hobby. Luka,Tatum, Trae, Zion, Ja etc. are THE guys. The market shifts are insanely fun to both watch and predict.

[Vinny1984]

Who cares? You want to throw out percentages... How about this one? 99% of people collecting cards DON'T CARE about grading.

Got proof?

[Filthy]

Got proof?

If you take the time to collect the data, I will put it together for you for presentation.

[DajuanWagner]

I prefer to have imperfections on my cards rather than a slabbed PSA 10 and always wondering if some cheesedick trimmed it before it was graded.



You tell him homie!!!!!!!!!!

[volblorx8634]

You've said that your goal is to inform others that they shouldn't expect gem cards when buying raw, which is the correct mindset and echoes your sentiments in the quote below. You should buy raw EXPECTING a gem mint card.

That's always been my buying mindset. When I buy raw, I expect 8 or 9. If I get a 9.5 or 10 gradeable cards...I'm ecstatic!

But your OP seems annoyed that it's difficult to find raw cards that gem. Not that it matters either way, just a little confused at what point you're trying to make haha

[Beavers98]

Believe it or not, a higher graded card doesn’t add inches to your d*ck

I thnk that's the opposite of the PSA Registry Slogan :cry:

[DajuanWagner]

Well there are a lot of grading "haters" out there for whatever reason and that's fine. They are entitled to their opinion and not spend their money with the grading companies. Others choose to, and are doing well (same as the non-graders).

But, the $$$$ coming from selling graded cards is undeniable. The price difference between a raw, 9, and 10 are staggering. I want to set a lower expectation for newbies buying raw cards, that's all. Don't expect a BGS 9.5 on a Tatum silver you buy raw...why hasn't it been slabbed yet? Damage, print lines, who know?! lol

Also, since box prices are super high, you don't see older product being busted regularly...so, the chances of getting a gem card is even lower since many are cherry-picked to death.




Grading is a scam!!!!!!!

[The_Reverend]

Most of my cards are raw. I only get them slabbed if they go crazy in price.

I just pulled out like 5 x Tatum / Mitchell prizm rookie from my box breaks the other night to get graded because they are worth selling in psa 10 slabs. If people did this more often, there wouldn't be a back log at PSA for months/years. That coupled with the fact that odd people are grading everything no matter what. I dont understand why people grade penny cards. Its like they bust a box of topps baseball and grade every card they pull.

Man I have been doing this recently. COVID 19 made me go through my boxes and look for forgotten or unknown cards. Those I deemed possible 10 I have graded and still was only about 50%. The good thing is some cards I graded that got “inferior” grades have brought in lots more than I thought. Yes I thought, “what if that had Gemmed?” I am enjoying the hobby side, but I have absolutely no problem with the investment side. Capitalism works!!!!!

[DajuanWagner]

Who cares? You want to throw out percentages... How about this one? 99% of people collecting cards DON'T CARE about grading.



^^^^ 100% this...…….oops, 99% this...……...

[Boo]

If you want a graded card, buy a graded card.

[jcardstore]

Buy gems or expect raw cards that won't gem. Not sure why we need another thread about this topic

[CaliCollector87]

Just wondering but why do the new people think 100% of the cards out of a pack are gem mint?

[Vinny1984]

If you take the time to collect the data, I will put it together for you for presentation.

Isn’t that your job with your claim?

[Timo]

Agree 100%! Luka/Zion/Ja imo will not pass Lebron, not sure anyone will in the near future and it blows my mind that Lukas base prizms psa 10s are doing close to $1k and Luka hasn't even completed his second season yet. I understand times have changed and due to the Covid-19 situation there has been a shift in sports cards an stuff is at an all time high. Its bound to start a downward spiral at some point but when is key.


We'll have to wait and see. It's going to be difficult for anyone to ever pass Lebron. But Luka is already putting up historical numbers and breaking all sorts of records. I'm too lazy to look em all up. But comparing Luka to Lebron through their first two seasons, he is superior to Lebron in almost every statistical category, and doing it in just 32 minutes per game, while Lebron played 41 MPG.

[messier2]

Just wondering but why do the new people think 100% of the cards out of a pack are gem mint?

It's the newbies that think that. Look at those posts that people are thinking of sending a card back to Panini because there is a slight print line on the back, the seasoned collectors know that not all cards that come out of the pack are gem mint.

When I buy raw cards, I have that mindset that 99% of the time, it will not be gem mint. I'm trying to let the NEWBIES (not you vets that have been in the hobby for years!) know to set their expectations low. It's the newbies that will be causing the headaches for sellers like me if/when they start returning cards because there is this or that.

[SuperCoolBeas]

I can say that I have DEFINITELY sold several raw cards that ended up being PSA 10's, BGS True Gems etc. in the past year (and still, likely do, for lower end cards). I def regret it now----but at the time was more interested in replenishing my cash budget for MOAR cards (I'm a tiny bit more savvy/patient now).

I think there are still a lot of people who haven't "graduated" to grading, simply don't care about it, or are more interested in fast money, and recouping their initial investments.

I get your point though---odds are against finding raw gems...but 2017/18 Prizm is still being broken in group breaks. So there's still an outside chance of raw "pack pulled" cards hitting the market.

And there are still the odd "baseball card collector who doesn't collect basketball cards but buys into basketball breaks anyway, because they can't help themselves" who want to sell raw (quickly) so they can invest in more Trout. IMHO.

This is my "glass half full" side's thinking.

[messier2]

I can say that I have DEFINITELY sold several raw cards that ended up being PSA 10's, BGS True Gems etc. in the past year (and still, likely do, for lower end cards). I def regret it now----but at the time was more interested in replenishing my cash budget for MOAR cards (I'm a tiny bit more savvy/patient now).

I think there are still a lot of people who haven't "graduated" to grading, simply don't care about it, or are more interested in fast money, and recouping their initial investments.

I get your point though---odds are against finding raw gems...but 2017/18 Prizm is still being broken in group breaks. So there's still an outside chance of raw "pack pulled" cards hitting the market.

And there are still the odd "baseball card collector who doesn't collect basketball cards but buys into basketball breaks anyway, because they can't help themselves" who want to sell raw (quickly) so they can invest in more Trout. IMHO.

This is my "glass half full" side's thinking.

Absolutely...you can look at this in so many different angles. Yeah, there are group breaks for 2017-18, but if you are in those breaks and know the prices the Tatum's go for...it would be in your best interest to at least examine the card to see what you got...then decide to grade or sell.

Right now my best advice is to go for the 2019-20 guys. People are ripping retail like crazy and need to get their $$$ back, so they sell raw (no matter the condition). Those are the ones you should buy from.

[Vinny1984]

I think there are still a lot of people who haven't "graduated" to grading.

Absolutely. Just read some of the social media groups. Majority of new entrants have no idea of even the first step into grading cards. Think the wait time is bad at psa now? This is nothing compared to the near future.

[Astros19]

Well there are a lot of grading "haters" out there for whatever reason and that's fine. They are entitled to their opinion and not spend their money with the grading companies. Others choose to, and are doing well (same as the non-graders).



But, the $$$$ coming from selling graded cards is undeniable. The price difference between a raw, 9, and 10 are staggering. I want to set a lower expectation for newbies buying raw cards, that's all. Don't expect a BGS 9.5 on a Tatum silver you buy raw...why hasn't it been slabbed yet? Damage, print lines, who know?! lol



Also, since box prices are super high, you don't see older product being busted regularly...so, the chances of getting a gem card is even lower since many are cherry-picked to death.Part of the reason you're seeing "grading haters" is because people post nonsense like assuming a cards not grade worthy, or has been cracked out of a holder and that's just not true.
I've sold over 10,000 cards on Ebay, none of which have been graded. I don’t care to hassle with grading, plain and simple.
I'm approaching 8,000 positive feedbacks and not one negative.
But when false statements are made about cards being cracked out or not grade worthy that's a slam on us that don't grade cards and also affects how much my upgraded cards sell for.

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[messier2]

Part of the reason you're seeing "grading haters" is because people post nonsense like assuming a cards not grade worthy, or has been cracked out of a holder and that's just not true.
I've sold over 10,000 cards on Ebay, none of which have been graded. I don’t care to hassle with grading, plain and simple.
I'm approaching 8,000 positive feedbacks and not one negative.
But when false statements are made about cards being cracked out or not grade worthy that's a slam on us that don't grade cards and also affects how much my upgraded cards sell for.

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Well, congrats! I would buy from you all day long!

Pro tip: Buy from Astros19! :)!

[SuperCoolBeas]

Part of the reason you're seeing "grading haters" is because people post nonsense like assuming a cards not grade worthy, or has been cracked out of a holder and that's just not true.

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Truth---Even "expert graders" are guilty of this lol. I sold a raw Ja Morant Silver Mosaic (like I said---I'm only a TINY bit more savvy now, lol)...I think I sold it because it came from one $20 blaster and Mosaic was new---I figured sell now, make $$$, before the inevitable price drop.

Anyway, sold it at the highest price for raw---and the buyer returned it due to a "surface dimple". I could see what he was talking about in fairness, but I still thought the card looked good. I wasn't going to get the same value because a couple weeks passed, so I sent it in to BGS....and the SURFACE got a TEN, lol.

Point being...I guess that could be a guy who would sell that same card RAW, as "damaged, PLEASE READ"...meanwhile its a true gem and likely PSA 10. Still lots of opportunities out there, even with the experienced graders.

[Astros19]

Thanks for the plug but I don't put my Ebay ID on here.
A couple of times in the past I've had auctions get messed with from some knucklehead that was upset over a messageboard off topic post and it's just not worth the headache.
I obviously don't know, but I would be shocked if none of the cards I've sold over the years weren't submitted and graded nicely. I just don't want to hassle with grading, that's all.


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[shayscards79]

I hate grading and have never sent cards in to be graded. Pretty sure I am not alone in this sentiment

You're not alone. I don't grade cards. I especially wouldn't grade modern cards; vintage cards I understand why but I still don't grade those.

[Vinny1984]

Anyway, sold it at the highest price for raw---and the buyer returned it due to a "surface dimple". I could see what he was talking about in fairness, but I still thought the card looked good. I wasn't going to get the same value because a couple weeks passed, so I sent it in to BGS....and the SURFACE got a TEN, lol.

No offense and congrats on getting that 10 but this is the reason a lot of people don’t take grading seriously. ANY imperfection should downgrade the card. Don’t even get me started on the 60/40 centering being “gem”.

[armyml]

I don't think you can assume any card raw on Ebay won't gem. A few of the people that replied are saying the same thing as me. I don't grade, and if I am selling a card of a player I don't PC, I don't care if its a gem or not. I just take high quality scans and list the condition of the card if I see anything wrong. Otherwise I'm sure quite a few cards I've sold on Ebay have come back Gem. For every seller that grades all the gems and sells the rest raw, there's one like me who is definitely not doing that.

[messier2]

I don't think you can assume any card raw on Ebay won't gem. A few of the people that replied are saying the same thing as me. I don't grade, and if I am selling a card of a player I don't PC, I don't care if its a gem or not. I just take high quality scans and list the condition of the card if I see anything wrong. Otherwise I'm sure quite a few cards I've sold on Ebay have come back Gem. For every seller that grades all the gems and sells the rest raw, there's one like me who is definitely not doing that.

So, if you have Luka base prizm. The PSA 10's go for almost $1K...9's go for $300ish...you wouldn't even consider looking at your raw Luka's to see if it is at least mint? I'm hoping you are not leaving money on the table...

If you are not going to look at it, hurray! You and Astros19 are my 2 favorite ebay sellers! lol

[prospectorgems]

I know for an absolute fact I have sold raw cards that were gem mint. For a very long period of time I did not have the extra funds available or the patience to grade cards. In fact, you are still going to see that a lot since PSA is so incredibly backed up that a lot of people simply will not have the patience to wait to have cards graded and will be selling gem raw copies.

Are your chances lower to find gem mint copies on ebay? Yes, but the chances are still out there. It's near impossible to tell if the card is gradeable anyway even from a high res scan. It's too hard to see what that edges look like or if there are any surface issues. And considering some people just don't grade for whatever reason they may have, they may not be looking closely for surface issues.

[armyml]

So, if you have Luka base prizm. The PSA 10's go for almost $1K...9's go for $300ish...you wouldn't even consider looking at your raw Luka's to see if it is at least mint? I'm hoping you are not leaving money on the table...

If you are not going to look at it, hurray! You and Astros19 are my 2 favorite ebay sellers! lol

Nah I PC Luka so I keep what I pull. But I have sold a lot of Zion and Ja this year raw. I only check to make sure edges and corners are sharp and there aren't surface issues. Prizms(no silvers), optic and donruss base, mosaic, chinese new year. Sold them all raw with no issues.

[messier2]

Nah I PC Luka so I keep what I pull. But I have sold a lot of Zion and Ja this year raw. I only check to make sure edges and corners are sharp and there aren't surface issues. Prizms(no silvers), optic and donruss base, mosaic, chinese new year. Sold them all raw with no issues.

Yes, happy buyers because they got some gems! lol :)

[Beavers98]

Part of the reason you're seeing "grading haters" is because people post nonsense like assuming a cards not grade worthy, or has been cracked out of a holder and that's just not true.
I've sold over 10,000 cards on Ebay, none of which have been graded. I don’t care to hassle with grading, plain and simple.
I'm approaching 8,000 positive feedbacks and not one negative.
But when false statements are made about cards being cracked out or not grade worthy that's a slam on us that don't grade cards and also affects how much my upgraded cards sell for.

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Just quoted this since I liked it. I've sold hundreds/thousands of cards raw here, eBay, etc. People here have even posted their Gem Mint cards they bought from me and had graded. So for those that say if it's not graded it must be junk is ridiculous. **(I do sell graded too from other purchases or were graded long ago)**

I was into grading around Lebron's Rookie Year and a few years before and after that. (PSA and BGS)I still bought and buy graded, but when it came time to send some in on my own, I looked at the few hundred dollars I was spending and just chose to open a box/case or buy a PC card instead of spending that money.

Graded has always carried a premium, but with the multipliers going through the roof along with box prices kind of changes it for me. I sent a small order to SGC to give them a try. 3 Months later I'm still waiting. Should have just gone with PSA or BGS, but that's another story. Anyway I had some extra cash and couldn't buy any boxes that were worth it imo, so sent something in. Previous 12-15 years I'd only graded 2 cards myself. Both vintage I just wanted to make sure were legit and unaltered.

[fdjizm]

These both graded PSA 10.
It's a gamble but some people take care of their cards.

[miscus555]

I’ve bought raw cards that ended up gems and I’ve studied my own cards to death for them to only end up 9’s

Weird world but always purchase how good the card looks instead of what it might grade and you will always see with more clarity

[babyfaceposey]

Wrong. I just sold 10 Tatums that have been penny sleeved since 2018. Not everyone grades. Have 30 optic and 5 holo of Mitchell just sitting in a box right now.

[Filthy]

Isn’t that your job with your claim?

Nope. Nobody cares enough to worry about it. It's no different that the BS statement that is the title of this thread. It's clear you are wanting back and forth discussion in regards to this topic, but the large majority of collectors just don't care. I'm not sure how that equates to "hating" on grading cards.....because it doesn't.

I don't mind the discussion, because afterall, this is a message board. But I would also challenge you to count exactly how many members posted in this very thread. You and the Original poster, are the ONLY ones who posted in this entire thread that agree. Which is even more interesting, as you both post in the exact same petulant manor. So, its pretty safe to say, that they're both your usernames. Literally posting, logging out/logging in with another username, just to agree with yourself, when noone else will.



Also.... This is pretty choice.


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[SuperCoolBeas]

Also.... This is pretty choice.



Lol @ the filename:coffee:

[kevbojones]

If you're looking for raw diamonds in the rough to grade...

Avoid buying raw cards from sellers that have a large mix of PSA and raw cards in their eBay stores.

It's likely that the raw cards for sale didn't pass the smell test to be considered as a worthy submission to a TPG

[k13]

Buy more from Non-US sellers as access to grading makes it less likely the raw cards have been picked thru.

[Canedude08]

Not everyone cares about grading

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Exactly. I want a Luka for my PC, I may get it graded just because I like having them graded on the shelf. That said, I have zero plans of selling that card, so the grade doesn't really matter.

[ucLAkers]

Dont buy this...buy that...dont buy from him...buy from her...

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I make it clear in my listings...NMMT...if you dont know that a NMMT is an 8/8.5 then beat it! The new generation of clectors dont know these things....
If we all started adding these to our listings then there should be no issues

Tire kicker-hows the surface any scratches?
Me-8.5 read description

Tire kicker-hows the corners?
Me-8.5 read description

15 years on eBay....no issues & still selling raw gems

[Spacemanspif]

If you're looking for raw diamonds in the rough to grade...

Avoid buying raw cards from sellers that have a large mix of PSA and raw cards in their eBay stores.

It's likely that the raw cards for sale didn't pass the smell test to be considered as a worthy submission to a TPG


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[messier2]

These both graded PSA 10.
It's a gamble but some people take care of their cards.

Nice! 2019-20 cards are "safer" IMO...it's more the 2018-19 or 2017-18 or older that I'm referring to.

[messier2]

If you're looking for raw diamonds in the rough to grade...

Avoid buying raw cards from sellers that have a large mix of PSA and raw cards in their eBay stores.

It's likely that the raw cards for sale didn't pass the smell test to be considered as a worthy submission to a TPG

PRO TIP! ^^^^

[messier2]

Nope. Nobody cares enough to worry about it. It's no different that the BS statement that is the title of this thread. It's clear you are wanting back and forth discussion in regards to this topic, but the large majority of collectors just don't care. I'm not sure how that equates to "hating" on grading cards.....because it doesn't.

I don't mind the discussion, because afterall, this is a message board. But I would also challenge you to count exactly how many members posted in this very thread. You and the Original poster, are the ONLY ones who posted in this entire thread that agree. Which is even more interesting, as you both post in the exact same petulant manor. So, its pretty safe to say, that they're both your usernames. Literally posting, logging out/logging in with another username, just to agree with yourself, when noone else will.



Also.... This is pretty choice.


https://www.blowoutforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=487509&d=1595342186

No, I have no idea who Vinny is and I don't need a second account to back up my statements. These are my opinions...we all have some!

[mc1]

If you're looking for raw diamonds in the rough to grade...

Avoid buying raw cards from sellers that have a large mix of PSA and raw cards in their eBay stores.

It's likely that the raw cards for sale didn't pass the smell test to be considered as a worthy submission to a TPG

:doh:

This again.

So if I buy and sell raw AND graded cards then that means I got them graded myself. That also means none of the raw cards are worth grading.

Got it.

[messier2]

:doh:

This again.

So if I buy and sell raw AND graded cards then that means I got them graded myself. That also means none of the raw cards are worth grading.

Got it.

I hear ya man. But, that's the tough part because the buyers don't know that you don't grade cards....you buy cards ALREADY graded.

But, hard to blame them to be hesitant to bid on your raw cards because they see graded copies on your auction list, as well.

[Vinny1984]

No, I have no idea who Vinny is and I don't need a second account to back up my statements. These are my opinions...we all have some!

Lol. Exactly.

[jzx1103]

What's considered not grade worthy? Anything below a 9? I been buying some stuff lately and noticed BGS graded 8s and 8.5s were still costing more than just a raw version.

[messier2]

What's considered not grade worthy? Anything below a 9? I been buying some stuff lately and noticed BGS graded 8s and 8.5s were still costing more than just a raw version.

For the newbies and sneaker-heads, anything that won't get a 9.5 or 10. For them, it's just undesirable to have a raw card in their posession that won't grade gem.

It's like the sneaker-heads buying dirty sneakers to show off to their "crew". Not gonna happen!

[discodanman45]

If you only care about making money, ripping people off, and being a sportscard investor ebay is a great place to be! It makes me sick to my stomach. The majority of sellers on ebay are good sellers, ship well, and don't hide things. There are the occasional jerks that will hide creases and sell cards different from the pictures, but they are about 10% of sellers. With ebay rules just buy thousands of cards per month, force returns on "item not as described" on PSA 8 and under cards, and submit to PSA and reap the benefits. You too could be an @#%#$%@ and make lots of money being a sportscard investor!

Or you can just sell counterfeit cards as real and make thousands of dollars per month without getting into any trouble at all. Ebay needs to bring the hammer down on the card returners and counterfeit card sellers. It is a bad place right now.

[ThoseBackPages]

SLABS FOREvA!!!!!!