1985 Michael Jordan Nike Promo - thoughts?

[tripncards]

I did some research on this forum on the rising value of cards in general from Covid, to investors flipping, to people having some extra cash on hand.

After The Last Dance came out, the Nike Promo card I bought for $750 PSA 10 is now selling for $10k+ on ebay/completed listings. I never thought I would see it go up so dramatically (as others have also posted for even common cards). The common denominator is price has gone up on cards overall. What is your opinion / thoughts on 1985 Nike Jordan Promo? Go down/up? Or sell it. I'm talking specifically about this card in general. I personally don't need 10k, but that is kind of hard for me to pass up at the moment after ebay fee's etc.

[3124508 on COMC]

My bet is that absolutely anything goes on these when it comes to size, so I would never pay more for a graded copy than your average raw copy.

[Illustrious]

I’ve been watching PSA 9’s the past two months hoping they’d cool down and I could pick up one at a decent price, instead they’ve doubled in almost all grades in that time. The ‘86 Fleer has dropped some and I thought the Nike would do the same, I was wrong.

[Erikthredd]

The one thing in this hobby that I've been most passionate about collecting is Nike related Jordan items and I've stayed far away from this card just for the fact that you'll never know if the card you may own or looking to buy is real or not. Doesn't even matter if its graded or not either. Next to his 86 Fleer & 84 Star this 85 promo has to be the next highest counterfeited/reprint card not to mention I've even read that there were sellers out there making copies of that promo then sealing them with the rest of that 5 card Nike set selling as an unopened sealed set.
If I was in the OP's position with a PSA 9,I'd take the 10K.

[Zcardsz]

I think it has a ton of room
To grow. It’s THE Iconic Image of the MJ logo,
Birth of Air Jordan. It’s pre 1986. Culturally it crosses sneakers and sports cards. Low population according to PSA pop reports. And very tough to get nice grade due to issues of storing them being oversized.

I think it’s just getting started.


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[doubledribble]

Always loved the card. Too many counterfeits as said above. If your 10 is legit, hold. Waiting for the Mars Blackmon set to take off.

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[Willikn]

So many fakes sold on Ebay the last few months. That usually kills this card any time it starts moving. Hasn't slowed it down yet.

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[imbluestreak23]

Have one at Beckett now that I opened from a sealed set. Hasn't been logged in nearly 2.5 months :(

[GatorPie]

Have one at Beckett right now myself, although it's probably only a 5 or 6. I've had it since 1999......were fakes being produced that far back?

[Willikn]

Have one at Beckett right now myself, although it's probably only a 5 or 6. I've had it since 1999......were fakes being produced that far back?

Yes indeed.

The fact that yours is low grade is good. You have a photo of it?

[heatdawg]

Just like the star, too many counterfeits, even graded. Best measure is to just stay away. Too many nice cards to collect to go after counterfeits.

[6celtics33]

Just like the star, too many counterfeits, even graded. Best measure is to just stay away. Too many nice cards to collect to go after counterfeits.

I’ve never seen a star RC counterfeit that’s been graded. Have you?

[6celtics33]

No one ever cared about this card because it was oversized. Gary likes it I guess so now it’s good.

I would sell at $10k and never think about it again but that’s just me.

[Erikthredd]

If someone still wants one of his cards with this iconic image but doesn't want to chance owning a fake there's also the 1985 6x8 Promo that PSA/BGS still grades.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/4s/9fbnkb75390y.jpg

And also the 5x7 1983-85 Nike Poster Card that PSA/BGS both grades.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/tg/uj74hwa77vyw.jpg
These two are both extremely rare compared to the 1985 3x5 Promo and I have never read anything about either having fakes out there. For comparison, PSA has graded over 2400+ of the Nike 3x5 cards but just a total of 24 of the 5x7 Nike Poster cards.

[Willikn]

For comparison, PSA has graded over 2400+ of the Nike 3x5 cards but just a total of 24 of the 5x7 Nike Poster cards.

Love that entire 5x7 set.

[Willikn]

I’ve never seen a star RC counterfeit that’s been graded. Have you?

I haven't seen a fake Nike graded by PSA/BGS/SGC either.

If we throw Pro Grading into the mix, then yes.

Honestly, just don't see many #101 counterfeits period. More of #117 and not many of those.

[Erikthredd]

Love that entire 5x7 set.

I've been slowing trying to collect every Jordan card from it and had been posting my progress here:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1027303/erikthredds-michael-jordan-5x7-nike-poster-card-collection#pagetop
I need to update it though since I sold a few and added some. (NFS/NFT)

[SteveIsLegend]

And also the 5x7 1983-85 Nike Poster Card that PSA/BGS both grades.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/tg/uj74hwa77vyw.jpg
These two are both extremely rare compared to the 1985 3x5 Promo and I have never read anything about either having fakes out there. For comparison, PSA has graded over 2400+ of the Nike 3x5 cards but just a total of 24 of the 5x7 Nike Poster cards.



Do you have more info on this one? An old coworker's dad used to own a shop up until 1994; I bought his collection about five years ago and this was in there... I guess I just assumed it was a reprint since I was never able to find any information on it.

EDIT: Just did a quick google search and saw your post on a different forum. Very helpful!

[Erikthredd]

Do you have more info on this one? An old coworker's dad used to own a shop up until 1994; I bought his collection about five years ago and this was in there... I guess I just assumed it was a reprint since I was never able to find any information on it.

I just posted a link above your comment that has more info about these and there's also this new site/blog that a fellow collector started about these recently:
https://www.nikepostercards.com/

[Willikn]

I've been slowing trying to collect every Jordan card from it and had been posting my progress here:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1027303/erikthredds-michael-jordan-5x7-nike-poster-card-collection#pagetop
I need to update it though since I sold a few and added some. (NFS/NFT)

You are doing better than me. That's impressive.

I have two that you are missing (unsure if I still have the Supreme Court). One is a terrible image with MJ wearing jean shorts that I don't have on my phone. This is the other one.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200811/f1fb6bebd701e44fdc9539e082ce4045.jpg

[Erikthredd]

You are doing better than me. That's impressive.

I have two that you are missing. One is a terrible image with MJ wearing jean shorts that I don't have on my phone. This is the other one.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200811/f1fb6bebd701e44fdc9539e082ce4045.jpg

That one is in that link but I actually just sold the one I had a couple weeks ago. Is the other one that you mentioned named There Is No Finish Line with a player shooting alone in a gym? This card is in my link if you scroll down past the first comment and I just found out that its not even Jordan in the picture,if that's the card you're talking about. If not,please post a pic I'd love to see it.

[Willikn]

That one is in that link but I actually just sold the one I had a couple weeks ago. Is the other one that you mentioned named There Is No Finish Line with a player shooting alone in a gym? This card is in my link if you scroll down past the first comment and I just found out that its not even Jordan in the picture,if that's the card you're talking about. If not,please post a pic I'd love to see it.

That's not MJ? Well that's embarrassing.

Yeah that's the one.

Not sure if it counts, but I also have, "The Master". That one is embossed.

[Erikthredd]

That's not MJ? Well that's embarrassing.

Yeah that's the one.

Not sure if it counts, but I also have, "The Master". That one is embossed.

Yup,its actually just some kid shooting in a gym that the Nike photographer took a pic of. I can just imagine how many cards/posters of that image were sold over the years stating it was MJ in it.
Is the Master a 4"x6"? I know there's a 4x6 Nike Retro card of it with various pics of Jordan retro sneakers on back and then there's a 4x6 Mini poster with blank back that I think is from a Costacos Brothers Poster but could be wrong on that.

[Willikn]

Yup,its actually just some kid shooting in a gym that the Nike photographer took a pic of. I can just imagine how many cards/posters of that image were sold over the years stating it was MJ in it.
Is the Master a 4"x6"? I know there's a 4x6 Nike Retro card of it with various pics of Jordan retro sneakers on back and then there's a 4x6 Mini poster with blank back that I think is from a Costacos Brothers Poster but could be wrong on that.

It is 4x6. Blank back. The "23/MJ" is raised. It is a Nike poster, although I do see a magnet on Ebay with the image that says, "Costacos Brothers". Can't imagine they got the rights to make a magnet with that image. That magnet is probably someone's basement creation.

This isn't mine. This is what it looks like.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200811/70dc8f8191d5704895cf3a7416a05586.jpg

[Erikthredd]

It is 4x6. Blank back. The "23/MJ" is raised. It is a Nike poster, although I do see a magnet on Ebay with the image that says, "Costacos Brothers". Can't imagine they got the rights to make a magnet with that image. That magnet is probably someone's basement creation.

This isn't mine. This is what it looks like.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200811/70dc8f8191d5704895cf3a7416a05586.jpg

I do know that Nike switched printing companies after 1991 and they went from the 5x7's to 4x6's and I thought I read somewhere that Costacos Bros was involved. Definitely a great looking poster card!

[tripncards]

Very interesting responses/perspective. Appreciate it.

[lyyca]

I think it has a ton of room
To grow. It’s THE Iconic Image of the MJ logo,
Birth of Air Jordan. It’s pre 1986. Culturally it crosses sneakers and sports cards. Low population according to PSA pop reports. And very tough to get nice grade due to issues of storing them being oversized.

I think it’s just getting started.


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THIS ^^

[tripncards]

I think it has a ton of room
To grow. It’s THE Iconic Image of the MJ logo,
Birth of Air Jordan. It’s pre 1986. Culturally it crosses sneakers and sports cards. Low population according to PSA pop reports. And very tough to get nice grade due to issues of storing them being oversized.

I think it’s just getting started.


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I agree. Great points.

[Illustrious]

A PSA 9 went for $2250 last night, I remember 3-4 years ago hesitating and resisting paying $200 for a PSA 9 when I wanted to pick one up...I really missed the boat on this one. :doh:

[Sportscards1086]

I don’t think a card is gonna go from 950-$10k just like that LMAO


If that’s the case I think the market would be consumed/dried up by Flippers

[tripncards]

I don’t think a card is gonna go from 950-$10k just like that LMAO


If that’s the case I think the market would be consumed/dried up by Flippers

Sportscards1086 - The PSA 10's are going for 10k+ (image attached). One PSA 10 is sitting @ $13k with a day left. That's why I mentioned completed sales in the original post vs asking price. I was caught by surprise they are going that high via completed sales.

[Jeff1970Red]

So I bought unopened. How do I know?

[Willikn]

So I bought unopened. How do I know?Open, take a photo and share it.

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[tripncards]

So I bought unopened. How do I know?

I have seen people post a pic and ask if it is legit

[Illustrious]

Here's a guy who bought two unopened sets, with one turning out to be fake. You can see the pretty noticeable differences of the counterfeits once he compares them with the real set:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzv5werEuC4

[rj.cataldo]

Here's a guy who bought two unopened sets, with one turning out to be fake. You can see the pretty noticeable differences of the counterfeits once he compares them with the real set:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzv5werEuC4



I don’t think that is the extent of the fakes though? They spelled Jordan’s name wrong on the card. Didn’t think the fakes were that obvious.


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[tripncards]

A PSA 9 went for $2250 last night, I remember 3-4 years ago hesitating and resisting paying $200 for a PSA 9 when I wanted to pick one up...I really missed the boat on this one. :doh:

It seems as if all the grades have just went up after The Last Dance came out. I do wonder if it's a true rise in value for this card, a "tv series" affect, or maybe little of both.

[GeechQuest]

This card is thought of as the ultimate snake oil card. Don West and Ken Goldin (yes, that Goldin) peddled these things back in the day. They sold them for $20K, then again for $5K. Not even PSA versions, but PRO graded versions. I still remember them saying these were going to be $100K.

It’s been the joke card of the hobby going on 20 years. It’s funny to see it gain traction and the Don West prophecy come full circle.

History seems to repeat itself.

[Illustrious]

Don West hyped a lot of cards back in the day, it doesn't mean those cards are "jokes" now and shouldn't be collected or in demand. Like it's been stated numerous times before, this card has a lot going for it: it's an 1985 card that predates the '86 Fleer, it's got the iconic pose that became the Air Jordan logo, and it's manufactured by Nike, which appeals to the sneakerheads. And before anybody brings up "well it's not standard size", neither is Kareem's, Pete Maravich's, or even Joe Namath's rookie cards, and that hasn't slowed demand for any of those down.

[mikeex0114]

Even fakes/reprints are selling for good money, not listed as such.

[Erikthredd]

I see lots of red flags with this 3 card Nike lot that just sold last night, if the buyer sees this comment I would seriously try to getting your money back.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-1985-Nike-Promo-Michael-Jordan-Rookie-Cards-RC-in-EX-or-better-condition-/363077968744?hash=item5489222368%3Ag%3AYMYAAOSwI25fOVUM&nma=true&si=mGE%252FgvLiIYeex%252F3KPVjdub1dsuw%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

[Willikn]

I see lots of red flags with this 3 card Nike lot that just sold last night, if the buyer sees this comment I would seriously try to getting your money back.


The OG of fakes. That one has been around for over 20 years. No foolin'

[Erikthredd]

The OG of fakes. That one has been around for over 20 years. No foolin'

Yup. All three have the red backboard box top right corner in the same position up near the top right corner of card,then go look at where the Nike logo is postioned on bottom left corner especially in pics 2&4. Those two might actually be trimmed on top of being fakes. Hopefully buyer reads this thread.

[tripncards]

I see lots of red flags with this 3 card Nike lot that just sold last night, if the buyer sees this comment I would seriously try to getting your money back.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-1985-Nike-Promo-Michael-Jordan-Rookie-Cards-RC-in-EX-or-better-condition-/363077968744?hash=item5489222368%3Ag%3AYMYAAOSwI25fOVUM&nma=true&si=mGE%252FgvLiIYeex%252F3KPVjdub1dsuw%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Interesting. Thanks for your reasoning on why that is. I didn't realize those would be immediate red flags. I also hope the buyer sees this as well. The PSA's seem to still be rising for the card.

[Erikthredd]

Interesting. Thanks for your reasoning on why that is. I didn't realize those would be immediate red flags. I also hope the buyer sees this as well. The PSA's seem to still be rising for the card.

Here's a BGS 9.5 to compare to the three raw copies above and what to look for listed below.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MICHAEL-JORDAN-1985-Nike-Promo-Rookie-Card-Bulls-Gem-Mint-BGS-9-5-PSA-10/392904733983?hash=item5b7af2751f:g:E2oAAOSwe9xfMbuo

Most bad fakes look like someone just cropped roughly 1/8" off of all four edges and you should be able to see the results by looking at:
1. The positioning of the BB box top right corner relative to the top edge. Bad fakes have part of that box corner missing where legit copies have white visible on the BB between box corner and top edge of card.
2. The sky visible between the right side of BB and right edge of card. Bad fakes have no blue showing,legit copies do right near top right corner of card.
3. The right BB pole and where the crossbar sits relative to the right edge of card. Fakes usually have the crossbar straight to the right edge where legit copies will have the outside of that right pole lower down on right edge of card.
4. The positioning of the buildings along the bottom edge of card,most noticeably near that bottom left corner of card. Fakes will sometimes have certain sections on a few buildings entirely missing. Also the Nike Logo and where its positioned relative to the bottom edge of card.
5. On back, fakes will sometimes have MICHEL instead of Michael.
6. For more clues from the back scroll to the 12:16 mark on this youtube video that Illustrious posted above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzv5werEuC4
You can see that the fake is yellowish and has that extra line over the Michel Jordan name. NOTE: you might find legit copies that have been yellowed over the years.

That all being said,with the level of sophistication in how we're seeing all types of Refractors,PMG's,Rubies,Embossed and many other styles of rare cards that have been repeatedly counterfeited over the years, that Jordan 1985 Nike 3x5 Promo has to be pretty easy to duplicate now which is why I originally said I'd personally stay far away from this card. Having one sitting in a one TPG slab or another regardless of grade really doesn't guarantee that it will be real. Hope this all helps.

[tripncards]

Here's a BGS 9.5 to compare to the three raw copies above and what to look for listed below.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MICHAEL-JORDAN-1985-Nike-Promo-Rookie-Card-Bulls-Gem-Mint-BGS-9-5-PSA-10/392904733983?hash=item5b7af2751f:g:E2oAAOSwe9xfMbuo

Most bad fakes look like someone just cropped roughly 1/8" off of all four edges and you should be able to see the results by looking at:
1. The positioning of the BB box top right corner relative to the top edge. Bad fakes have part of that box corner missing where legit copies have white visible on the BB between box corner and top edge of card.
2. The sky visible between the right side of BB and right edge of card. Bad fakes have no blue showing,legit copies do right near top right corner of card.
3. The right BB pole and where the crossbar sits relative to the right edge of card. Fakes usually have the crossbar straight to the right edge where legit copies will have the outside of that right pole lower down on right edge of card.
4. The positioning of the buildings along the bottom edge of card,most noticeably near that bottom left corner of card. Fakes will sometimes have certain sections on a few buildings entirely missing. Also the Nike Logo and where its positioned relative to the bottom edge of card.
5. On back, fakes will sometimes have MICHEL instead of Michael.
6. For more clues from the back scroll to the 12:16 mark on this youtube video that Illustrious posted above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzv5werEuC4
You can see that the fake is yellowish and has that extra line over the Michel Jordan name. NOTE: you might find legit copies that have been yellowed over the years.

That all being said,with the level of sophistication in how we're seeing all types of Refractors,PMG's,Rubies,Embossed and many other styles of rare cards that have been repeatedly counterfeited over the years, that Jordan 1985 Nike 3x5 Promo has to be pretty easy to duplicate now which is why I originally said I'd personally stay far away from this card. Having one sitting in a one TPG slab or another regardless of grade really doesn't guarantee that it will be real. Hope this all helps.

Damn. I see the differences. Wow.

[gottagitdemjs]

If someone still wants one of his cards with this iconic image but doesn't want to chance owning a fake there's also the 1985 6x8 Promo that PSA/BGS still grades.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/4s/9fbnkb75390y.jpg

And also the 5x7 1983-85 Nike Poster Card that PSA/BGS both grades.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/editor/tg/uj74hwa77vyw.jpg
These two are both extremely rare compared to the 1985 3x5 Promo and I have never read anything about either having fakes out there. For comparison, PSA has graded over 2400+ of the Nike 3x5 cards but just a total of 24 of the 5x7 Nike Poster cards.

Not sure about PSA, but BGS has also started grading the Shoe Hangtag. These are as rare as hens teeth, especially with the complete un-torn eyelet. Here is mine. I bought it about 10 years ago. I keep it with my OG I's (note the yellow receipt from the local auction house where I won them for $40!).

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50241630546_2bc8f604da_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50241630616_7275053a9a_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50240989873_249c142f9c_z.jpg

Also, here is my BGS 9.5 of the poster card. I sold this a couple years ago. Way too early. Wish I had it back.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/36222179011_29305bc6e6_z.jpg

[Erikthredd]

Not sure about PSA, but BGS has also started grading the Shoe Hangtag. These are as rare as hens teeth, especially with the complete un-torn eyelet. Here is mine. I bought it about 10 years ago. I keep it with my OG I's (note the yellow receipt from the local auction house where I won them for $40!).

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50241630546_2bc8f604da_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50241630616_7275053a9a_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50240989873_249c142f9c_z.jpg

Also, here is my BGS 9.5 of the poster card. I sold this a couple years ago. Way too early. Wish I had it back.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/36222179011_29305bc6e6_z.jpg

Good stuff! Those original shoe tags are definitely a tough find these days and yours looks real good. Buyers have to be aware of fakes for those too though but I'm not sure if these copies fold open like yours: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Air-Jordan-1-Hang-Tag-Sticker-Prop-Photo-Accessory-Reprint-Nike-Vintage-Retro-85/264768013906
That's incredible that you got that OG pair for $40 too. Don't feel too bad about the 9.5 Poster card,we've all sold off something at some point that we wish we had back. I plan on subbing my card soon and I'm likely looking at somewhere in the BGS 8-9 range.

[tripncards]

Not sure about PSA, but BGS has also started grading the Shoe Hangtag. These are as rare as hens teeth, especially with the complete un-torn eyelet. Here is mine. I bought it about 10 years ago. I keep it with my OG I's (note the yellow receipt from the local auction house where I won them for $40!).

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50241630546_2bc8f604da_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50241630616_7275053a9a_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50240989873_249c142f9c_z.jpg

Also, here is my BGS 9.5 of the poster card. I sold this a couple years ago. Way too early. Wish I had it back.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/36222179011_29305bc6e6_z.jpg

Very cool collection & thanks for sharing.

[prankster]

Just like the star, too many counterfeits, even graded. Best measure is to just stay away. Too many nice cards to collect to go after counterfeits.

Where is the evidence to support these comments? An expert on Star cards - I believe his name is Steve Taft - has refuted the idea that the counterfeits fool professional graders. I assume you are similarly speculating about the Nike cards making it to BGS or PSA slabs.

[prankster]

THIS ^^

Count me in this camp, too. I find the Nike promo card much more attractive and iconic than the '86 Fleer card. I agree with Gary V. on this.

[Springerj23]

People always throw up the too many counterfeits of the Star and now this card for argument. The 86 Fleer is the most counterfeited card in the world, yet with a little research, can be detected. I have seen Star 101 counterfeits, I haven’t seen a good one. Originals are easily distinguishable, just as it appears in this Nike promo example. A little time, effort, and research goes a long way.

With anything in the collectible world, if there is high value, then there will be fakes. Always have, and always will. You can’t let your heart outweigh your brain, typically the facts and clues are right there in front of you.

[prankster]

I don't own any Star cards currently, but I researched these cards and the consensus among those knowledgeable is that the fakes are easy to spot. One common concern is that the equipment today is far more sophisticated, but from what I recall, Steve Taft, the expert on Star cards, stated it's actually a hindrance since the type of printers used for those cards no longer exist. Presumably, the same is true of the Nike cards.

The point is, creating fakes that are indistinguishable cannot simply be done by ordinary people with sophisticated printers. You also need the same type of printer as those used in the mid '80s.

Edit: All that said, I think trimming is a potential threat with this as well as any other set.

[GTguy]

Love the image, simply iconic. But outside of that, I never really understood the love for what is essentially a post card of him in a Nike outfit. If going jumbo, his Star Court Kings checks off way more boxes and has an equally iconic image IMO.

[prankster]

Love the image, simply iconic. But outside of that, I never really understood the love for what I’d essentially a post card of him in a Nike outfit. If going jumbo, his Star Court Kings checks off way more boxes and has an equally iconic image IMO.

There will always be a wide variety of perspectives. I also like his Star cards. I just think, even if it's mere opinion, that at the least the Star cards are real rookies. What I don't get, and it's again an opinion, is how people point to a card made in his second season as his rookie card - that's quite arbitrary to me. Whether we like it or not, the Nike promo card and the Star cards were actually made while he was a rookie, and I think some misconceptions about the Star at least were necessarily checked in this thread. Eventually, I'd like to get some of those Star cards. What this thread and the market show is that the enthusiasm for those authentic Nike promo cards is super-high - breaking new sales records each week, it seems.

[tripncards]

Love the image, simply iconic. But outside of that, I never really understood the love for what I’d essentially a post card of him in a Nike outfit. If going jumbo, his Star Court Kings checks off way more boxes and has an equally iconic image IMO.

Granted, in 1985 Nike wasn't in the business of making basketball cards it was shoes all day. I would believe the "essence" of having Jordan on a card that is technically before Fleer's 1986 is catching peoples attention. As others have mentioned, it touches the sneaker community in the shoes itself & the "Air Jordan" logo.

What I also believe is when The Last Dance came out on ESPN, not everyone could watch the entire series on ESPN or didn't record it in time etc. Now that The Last Dance is on NetFlix, more people can easily access Netflix, all series, anytime on-demand, and it's causing people to re-visit all of his cards in general and giving a greater appreciation to a larger audience. After I finished the series, the first question came in my mind was "what's his basketball cards worth now?".

Hence the question, is this a Last Dance effect, an extra cash effect, quarantine effect, or a blend of it all. I'll check out the Star Court Kings & I appreciate your perspective.

[Erikthredd]

I don't own any Star cards currently, but I researched these cards and the consensus among those knowledgeable is that the fakes are easy to spot. One common concern is that the equipment today is far more sophisticated, but from what I recall, Steve Taft, the expert on Star cards, stated it's actually a hindrance since the type of printers used for those cards no longer exist. Presumably, the same is true of the Nike cards.

The point is, creating fakes that are indistinguishable cannot simply be done by ordinary people with sophisticated printers. You also need the same type of printer as those used in the mid '80s.
Edit: All that said, I think trimming is a potential threat with this as well as any other set.

Really? I bet whoever printed these didn't have the same type of printer used in the 90's and three of the four got past the grading companies but these basic-ass Nike cards are much harder to counterfeit? Sorry not buying it. Welcome to the forum.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1395468

[prankster]

Really? I bet whoever printed these didn't have the same type of printer used in the 90's and three of the four got past the grading copies but these basic-ass Nike cards are much harder to counterfeit? Sorry not buying it. Welcome to the forum.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1395468

Thanks! I like the work done by the BODA team. I just think there needs to be evidence before asserting that fake Nike promo cards or Star cards are getting slabbed in some significant number. I am aware that maybe a couple of fake Star cards snuck by PSA in the '90s, but we are talking about very specific cards here.

[Erikthredd]

Thanks! I like the work done by the BODA team. I just think there needs to be evidence before asserting that fake Nike promo cards or Star cards are getting slabbed in some significant number. I am aware that maybe a couple of fake Star cards snuck by PSA in the '90s, but we are talking about very specific cards here.

I don't think anyone here has hinted that these are getting "slabbed in some significant number." I do know for a fact that some have gotten by the graders over the years because I've seen some of the fake graded cards show up in my numerous daily ebay searches. I did indicate that even though one might be graded in one companies slab or another regardless of grade doesn't mean you shouldn't be checking to see if its real or not. Between all of what we've learned about trimming & counterfeit cards over the last 2-3 years on this blog,buyers should be checking out every card before purchasing to make sure they're not altered or fake, not just these Nikes.

[prankster]

I don't think anyone here has hinted that these are getting "slabbed in some significant number." I do know for a fact that some have gotten by the graders over the years because I've seen some the fake graded cards show up in my numerous daily ebay searches. I did indicate that even though one might be graded in one companies slab or another regardless of grade doesn't mean you shouldn't be checking to see if its real or not. Between all of what we've learned about trimming & counterfeit cards over the last 2-3 years on this blog,buyers should be checking out every card before purchasing to make they're not altered or fake, not just these Nikes.

I was responding to this comment in the first page of this thread:

"Just like the star, too many counterfeits, even graded. Best measure is to just stay away. Too many nice cards to collect to go after counterfeits."

If people see fake cards in slabs, it would be cool if they posted the photos in this forum for analysis. Anything else I have to take as hearsay. Just to be clear, I am already withholding any purchases in the near-future due to the trimming scandal this forum has blown wide open. So I agree with your general view. I am actually halting any purchases, and the alterations are a major factor. I am looking for cold, hard facts and not speculation.

[Erikthredd]

I was responding to this comment in the first page of this thread:

"Just like the star, too many counterfeits, even graded. Best measure is to just stay away. Too many nice cards to collect to go after counterfeits."

If people see fake cards in slabs, it would be cool if they posted the photos in this forum for analysis. Anything else I have to take as hearsay. Just to be clear, I am already withholding any purchases in the near-future due to the trimming scandal this forum has blown wide open. So I agree with your general view. I am actually halting any purchases, and the alterations are a major factor. I am looking for cold, hard facts and not speculation.

I must have missed that one. Unless its one of the big consignment sellers selling it,there's no need to post every fake card here because in many cases all you have to do is report it to ebay and,mostly in my experiences, they'll shutdown the listing.
I get the part about wanting facts not speculation. I'm pretty sure I'm the one that first mentioned the fakes but I've also already outed three fakes of this card since then so its not really just speculation. I'm sure there will be plenty more as these go up in price.

[prankster]

I must have missed that one. Unless its one of the big consignment sellers selling it,there's no need to post every fake card here because in many cases all you have to do is report it to ebay and,mostly in my experiences, they'll shutdown the listing.
I get the part about wanting facts not speculation. I'm pretty sure I'm the one that first mentioned the fakes but I've also already outed three fakes of this card since then so its not really just speculation. I'm sure there will be plenty more as these go up in price.

OK, cool. We are on the same page. Because... if it were true that "too many counterfeits" were getting graded, I'd seriously consider dumping the majority of my cards in my safe deposit box and looking for a hobby with less fraud (I'd keep my junk wax graded cards for reasons of nostalgia, though). I am already both intrigued and concerned with the level of fraud that is occurring.

Maybe in the future I will start a thread to expose fake cards in slabs if they exist. I am new here so we'll see.

[Willikn]

Granted, in 1985 Nike wasn't in the business of making basketball cards it was shoes all day. I would believe the "essence" of having Jordan on a card that is technically before Fleer's 1986 is catching peoples attention. As others have mentioned, it touches the sneaker community in the shoes itself & the "Air Jordan" logo.


Not in the business of making cards, but absolutely in the business of making and selling posters. That's what this set is, miniature versions with corresponding posters. As a child from that era I can attest to not only the Jordan image being popular, but man that Gooden image was loved by many a sports fan. The George Gervin Ice Man image? That is what the word "Iconic" should be reserved for.

I am a firm believer that collectibles with exceptional staying power weren't crafted exclusively to be collectibles. That is what we have in the 1980's Nike set(s).

[rj.cataldo]

Not in the business of making cards, but absolutely in the business of making and selling posters. That's what this set is, miniature versions with corresponding posters. As a child from that era I can attest to not only the Jordan image being popular, but man that Gooden image was loved by many a sports fan. The George Gervin Ice Man image? That is what the word "Iconic" should be reserved for.



I am a firm believer that collectibles with exceptional staying power weren't crafted exclusively to be collectibles. That is what we have in the 1980's Nike set(s).



Yes this. Nike POSTERS are some of the hardest to find and most collectible items. I actually collect them for autographs. The postcards were all produced as full size posters and the Jordan is near impossible to find in decent shape (or legitimate). That image and Jordan’s association with Nike is what makes that card so collectible in my opinion.


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[prankster]

Not in the business of making cards, but absolutely in the business of making and selling posters. That's what this set is, miniature versions with corresponding posters. As a child from that era I can attest to not only the Jordan image being popular, but man that Gooden image was loved by many a sports fan. The George Gervin Ice Man image? That is what the word "Iconic" should be reserved for.

I am a firm believer that collectibles with exceptional staying power weren't crafted exclusively to be collectibles. That is what we have in the 1980's Nike set(s).

In my view, this is a multifaceted topic. Another compelling reason to collect the Nike cards is that they honestly resemble cards, even if oversized, and have some biographical information on the back. Whether intended or not, they damn well look like cards. Also, the '86 Fleer was made in or after Jordan's second season. I know this view is unpopular in some circles, but it is weird to me that people consider a second year card a true rookie simply because of the company making the card. I personally - as a matter of opinion - will never accept a second year card as a rookie. The rookies are the Nike and Star cards - arguably the Star cards more so.

[Erikthredd]

Here are more to stay away from:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-NIKE-Michael-Jordan-2-Card-Lot-CRISP-SHARP-CLEAN-CHECK-MY-AUCTIONS/114371080126?hash=item1aa10c2fbe:g:nsMAAOSw33NfQbUj

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-NIKE-MICHAEL-JORDAN-2-CARD-LOT-SEE-DESCRIPTION-CHECKOUT-MY-AUCTIONS/114371091991?hash=item1aa10c5e17:g:Au0AAOSwVFpfQbgV

[prankster]

Here are more to stay away from:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-NIKE-Michael-Jordan-2-Card-Lot-CRISP-SHARP-CLEAN-CHECK-MY-AUCTIONS/114371080126?hash=item1aa10c2fbe:g:nsMAAOSw33NfQbUj

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-NIKE-MICHAEL-JORDAN-2-CARD-LOT-SEE-DESCRIPTION-CHECKOUT-MY-AUCTIONS/114371091991?hash=item1aa10c5e17:g:Au0AAOSwVFpfQbgV

Yes, those are obvious fake or trimmed cards. I notice the backboard red square is cropped. I don't recommend people to buy ungraded cards online. I operate under the assumption, though it's not always true, that if it's ungraded it's fake. I'm like Gary V. - I don't want to mess with raw cards of this type sold online.

[Homersbud84]

I’d sell it. I was in this similar situation with another Jordan that I sold for $10k. I didn’t need the money, but I only paid $478 (buying raw & sending it in) & there is no way I could’ve passed up a profit of that size. Sad to see the card go, but I got many other Jordans to admire!

[tripncards]

I’d sell it. I was in this similar situation with another Jordan that I sold for $10k. I didn’t need the money, but I only paid $478 (buying raw & sending it in) & there is no way I could’ve passed up a profit of that size. Sad to see the card go, but I got many other Jordans to admire!

I appreciate the comment Homersbud84. It is a size-able amount of $.

[coastala]

Yea lots of people getting burned buying this card raw

-Fakes are missing the middle building in the bottom left where the swoosh is

-Color on fakes is just off and not as clear/crisp

-Promotional use/not for resale on the back bottom right is right on the edge of fakes and more space on real ones

-Some are so bad they spell Michael wrong on the back like others have said


Keeps going up and has more room IMO

If it was anyone else besides Jordan I'd sell

I have a rule now if I'm on the fence at all about selling one of the big 3 or Brady/Gretzky I just hold

I've learned my lesson...

[prankster]

I don't think anyone here has hinted that these are getting "slabbed in some significant number." I do know for a fact that some have gotten by the graders over the years because I've seen some of the fake graded cards show up in my numerous daily ebay searches. I did indicate that even though one might be graded in one companies slab or another regardless of grade doesn't mean you shouldn't be checking to see if its real or not. Between all of what we've learned about trimming & counterfeit cards over the last 2-3 years on this blog,buyers should be checking out every card before purchasing to make sure they're not altered or fake, not just these Nikes.

OK, I have found a couple of slabbed Nike promo cards with cropping of the backboard red square that have been graded Mint or better by BGS, so I will see if I can get the BODA team or other experts to review these cards.

[rj.cataldo]

In my view, this is a multifaceted topic. Another compelling reason to collect the Nike cards is that they honestly resemble cards, even if oversized, and have some biographical information on the back. Whether intended or not, they damn well look like cards. Also, the '86 Fleer was made in or after Jordan's second season. I know this view is unpopular in some circles, but it is weird to me that people consider a second year card a true rookie simply because of the company making the card. I personally - as a matter of opinion - will never accept a second year card as a rookie. The rookies are the Nike and Star cards - arguably the Star cards more so.



I love both the Star and the Fleer. I’m not sure the Fleer will ever be dethroned because Star didn’t have staying power, the image is considered by some to be ugly, and the false narrative about forgeries of the 101.

That said, I’m with you. When I was growing up I remember the kid down the street who had two Jordan rookies (which we thought was a huge deal), and it was the Star, not the Fleer. I always grew up thinking the Star was the rookie. That card is SO under appreciated when you see the pop report on that card and then look at what some of the contemporary rookies go for. Last I liked there were less than 900 TOTAL star 101s graded in any condition.


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[prankster]

I love both the Star and the Fleer. I’m not sure the Fleer will ever be dethroned because Star didn’t have staying power, the image is considered by some to be ugly, and the false narrative about forgeries of the 101.

That said, I’m with you. When I was growing up I remember the kid down the street who had two Jordan rookies (which we thought was a huge deal), and it was the Star, not the Fleer. I always grew up thinking the Star was the rookie. That card is SO under appreciated when you see the pop report on that card and then look at what some of the contemporary rookies go for. Last I liked there were less than 900 TOTAL star 101s graded in any condition.


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Lots of good ideas in this thread. First it was said the Nike card was a card, then it was said it was a miniature poster, and then now we can say it straddles both categories in this dialectic. I think that's what makes the Nike card unique: it is both a card and memorabilia.

I see the Star cards are finally getting some recognition. The Star 101 is way up - out of my range honestly. And the Nike card PSA 10 I believe broke $15,000 in recent days. People can groan all they want, but the market is fluid and what's hot or recognized can change over time. I think the internet is bringing more awareness to cards that actually predate the '86 Fleer. Also, I agree, the '86 Fleer won't be dethroned most likely. However, it's about time a chorus grows that sincerely questions if it's the rookie. I don't care if I am the only one against a chorus of voices - I say, the Nike and Star cards are the rookies. Anyway, no disrespect is intended to fans of the Fleer card. I think all of these will be big winners over the next couple of years.

[Willikn]

I say, the Nike and Star cards are the rookies. Anyway, no disrespect is intended to fans of the Fleer card. I think all of these will be big winners over the next couple of years.

Not gonna win that debate. The "rookie rules" have been established long before 1985. Jackie Robinson has a legit 1947 card. It is not his rookie card and upon that fact I believe the entire hobby agrees.

A more egregious example, Stan Musial won the MVP in 1943. His hobby recognized rookie card issued in 1948. He is in that same 1947 set with Jackie.

Whether or not you buy into the new rookie rules (far more convoluted for baseball), the historical rules say no to both the Star Co. and the Nike. The key aspect though is that it doesn't matter. Collect what you like for the reasons you like. An XRC is the best available label and it can't apply to a multi-sport set. A 1952 Topps Mantle isn't a rookie card so maybe much ado about nothing.

Important to note, Jordan has five Nike cards from roughly 1985. Six if you count shirts/skins. I contend that Imagination came out in 1987 but the grading companies don't agree.

[Willikn]

Prism/Jewel Sticker and Interlake probably deserve a mention here as they too beat the 1986 Fleer to the market.

[Illustrious]

Just for comparison purposes, I did a side by side scan of a PSA 8 I recently picked up and a counterfeit I unknowingly bought on eBay about 7 years ago and sent to PSA for grading, where it obviously came back as not authentic:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50264469543_f94a1d3004_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50264476738_ec7d9d4624_b.jpg

[prankster]

Not gonna win that debate. The "rookie rules" have been established long before 1985. Jackie Robinson has a legit 1947 card. It is not his rookie card and upon that fact I believe the entire hobby agrees.

A more egregious example, Stan Musial won the MVP in 1943. His hobby recognized rookie card issued in 1948. He is in that same 1947 set with Jackie.

Whether or not you buy into the new rookie rules (far more convoluted for baseball), the historical rules say no to both the Star Co. and the Nike. The key aspect though is that it doesn't matter. Collect what you like for the reasons you like. An XRC is the best available label and it can't apply to a multi-sport set. A 1952 Topps Mantle isn't a rookie card so maybe much ado about nothing.

Important to note, Jordan has five Nike cards from roughly 1985. Six if you count shirts/skins. I contend that Imagination came out in 1987 but the grading companies don't agree.

I agree I will not win the debate, because it is subjective to a great extent - nor would I try to impose my opinions. However, going by the Wikipedia definition of a rookie card, the Nike, Star, Interlake, and sticker cards are the real rookies. However, there are some unwritten rules in the hobby, and thus far the '86 Fleer is regarded by consensus as the rookie. All I am saying is I reject that, and I see people are increasingly reevaluating what is and isn't the actual rookie due to the information now available. Once again, I will acknowledge that the '86 Fleer is unlikely to be dethroned. Also, I am quite happy for the Nike promo and the other cards mentioned to get the XRC designation! ;)

Edit: I see that you wrote that a multi-sport set cannot earn a rookie designation, and I flat out disagree, but that's just me. Actually, given the rising prices of the Nike promo, the market in large part seems to disagree.

[ThePackLife]

Might be common knowledge in here but I own four copies of these all PSA Graded and one clear way to spot fakes is the actual color of the paper used. On all my copies and just like the scans above the white on the back of mines is more of an off-white yellow. Like the actual card stock used was yellowish to begin with. Alot of the fakes I see have more of a natural white on the back as opposed to the yellowish color. Hope this actually helps anyone in the market for one.

[prankster]

Might be common knowledge in here but I own four copies of these all PSA Graded and one clear way to spot fakes is the actual color of the paper used. On all my copies and just like the scans above the white on the back of mines is more of an off-white yellow. Like the actual card stock used was yellowish to begin with. Alot of the fakes I see have more of a natural white on the back as opposed to the yellowish color. Hope this actually helps anyone in the market for one.

Thanks! The more feedback and even anecdotal stories, the better. The fact is, this card is really taking off in the market, so novice collectors need to be warned about the rampant counterfeits and how to spot them. Right now I am gathering information about cropping discrepancies and may start a thread on that, but I will need some time for that as I do not want to make accusations without basis.

[prankster]

Just for comparison purposes, I did a side by side scan of a PSA 8 I recently picked up and a counterfeit I unknowingly bought on eBay about 7 years ago and sent to PSA for grading, where it obviously came back as not authentic:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50264469543_f94a1d3004_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50264476738_ec7d9d4624_b.jpg

One distinct difference between the two is that parts of the skyline are missing on the "fake" one. The skyline is thus an important reference point.

[ThePackLife]

Thanks! The more feedback and even anecdotal stories, the better. The fact is, this card is really taking off in the market, so novice collectors need to be warned about the rampant counterfeits and how to spot them. Right now I am gathering information about cropping discrepancies and may start a thread on that, but I will need some time for that as I do not want to make accusations without basis.

No worries. I can provide pics or scans of mine at some point if necessary.

[Willikn]

I agree I will not win the debate, because it is subjective to a great extent - nor would I try to impose my opinions. However, going by the Wikipedia definition of a rookie card, the Nike, Star, Interlake, and sticker cards are the real rookies. However, there are some unwritten rules in the hobby, and thus far the '86 Fleer is regarded by consensus as the rookie. All I am saying is I reject that, and I see people are increasingly reevaluating what is and isn't the actual rookie due to the information now available. Once again, I will acknowledge that the '86 Fleer is unlikely to be dethroned. Also, I am quite happy for the Nike promo and the other cards mentioned to get the XRC designation! ;)

Edit: I see that you wrote that a multi-sport set cannot earn a rookie designation, and I flat out disagree, but that's just me. Actually, given the rising prices of the Nike promo, the market in large part seems to disagree.I am a passionate collector of all 80's Nike items. I do not care about RC designations. Of course I also own the 1986 Fleer #57 and love that too. Just sharing the hobby stance on things. The hobby re-invented a Topps paper Kobe. Never would have seen that coming. Who knows what's next.

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[prankster]

I am a passionate collector of all 80's Nike items. I do not care about RC designations. Of course I also own the 1986 Fleer #57 and love that too. Just sharing the hobby stance on things. The hobby re-invented a Topps paper Kobe. Never would have seen that coming. Who knows what's next.

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The interesting thing about this hobby is that there are no self-appointed experts who make the rules - the rules are dictated in large part by the market. Rather, there are many forces working in concert to make it what it is. What this thread shows is that there is arbitrariness in what is designated as a rookie, and this seems unavoidable. Right now, the market is opening up what it regards as a rookie. I personally am a huge fan of the 1985 Nike promo card largely because it beat out the '86 Fleer. I understand that some have an attachment to the Fleer, and that's OK. Also, in the grand scheme of things, I am just one voter in an increasingly growing market with potentially millions of participants. A couple of people have groused about the rise of the Nike promo card, and I think it's symbolic of the sea-change happening while rules and standards are in flux.

[tripncards]

Very interesting feed-back and perspectives. Keep them coming.

This month on eBay, 2 PSA 10's have ended at $15k sold.

[blinkme323]

Love the Nike card, but an unlicensed card of him in Nike gear will never be considered his true rookie. Imagine a Mantle rookie in street clothes? I’ll take the Yankee uniform.

As others have said, the Star 101 is incredibly undervalued though. If PSA ever started grading them again it would be an absolute explosion.


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[tripncards]

Apparently business is booming (for the moment) - https://amp.detroitnews.com/amp/3402183001

[Mrpokey]

I love all the Jordan Nike cards. All are undervalued.

[prankster]

Love the Nike card, but an unlicensed card of him in Nike gear will never be considered his true rookie. Imagine a Mantle rookie in street clothes? I’ll take the Yankee uniform.

As others have said, the Star 101 is incredibly undervalued though. If PSA ever started grading them again it would be an absolute explosion.


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The true rookie according to the market is the '86 Fleer. It will unlikely be dethroned. However, the market has a voice, and with a couple of PSA 10s closing at about $15,000 recently, it's saying the Nike promo is a legit rookie. This is the market talking right now. As far as the Star 101 is concerned, PSA has dropped the ball in refusing to grade it. I argue that that has the strongest case as the true rookie, but it's OK for others to disagree. We will never completely agree on these things, and that's OK.

[Willikn]

The true rookie according to the market is the '86 Fleer. It will unlikely be dethroned. However, the market has a voice, and with a couple of PSA 10s closing at about $15,000 recently, it's saying the Nike promo is a legit rookie. This is the market talking right now. As far as the Star 101 is concerned, PSA has dropped the ball in refusing to grade it. I argue that that has the strongest case as the true rookie, but it's OK for others to disagree. We will never completely agree on these things, and that's OK.

The first year Mike had a card to market was 1985. Don't buy that any of the Star Co cards were in any hands in 1984. Supposedly the first to market was the CKII and the photo on that card was taken in February of 1985. It is very possible that the Nike card was the first. Best guess though, "Freeze Frame" was the first.

Saying that the Nike card is a legit first year card holds water. Minor League baseball cards aren't rookie cards (still love my 1987 Bellingham Griffey). College pocket schedules aren't football rookies or basketball rookies. Sets like the 1947 Bond Bread aren't rookie cards. Sportscaster cards (Bird/Magic) aren't rookie cards. It doesn't make them less desirable at all. It just is.

The market isn't calling the Nike card the rookie card. The market APPEARS to be recalibrating its value. Given its population compared to the 1986 Fleer and its appeal to collectors outside the card arena, that adds up.


Love the Nike card, but an unlicensed card of him in Nike gear will never be considered his true rookie. Imagine a Mantle rookie in street clothes? I’ll take the Yankee uniform.

As others have said, the Star 101 is incredibly undervalued though. If PSA ever started grading them again it would be an absolute explosion.


Flip side, calling the Nike card, "unlicensed" is not accurate. It was properly licensed to be exactly what it is. If anything is unlicensed it would be the Star Co. cards given that their manufacturer was selling "back door" copies at a premium long after his rights to do so had expired.

That word unlicensed is misleading. Topps didn't have an NFL deal to show logos in 1981 and no one calls the Montana rookie unlicensed. I think that word should be reserved for cards with no legit copyright.

[prankster]

The market isn't calling the Nike card the rookie card. The market APPEARS to be recalibrating its value. Given its population compared to the 1986 Fleer and its appeal to collectors outside the card arena, that adds up.

The major auction houses and virtually all sellers are calling it a rookie. As I said, there is no formal organization that makes "rookie rules."

I argue that the Nike promo card is trading more like a card than memorabilia - as the recent closing prices consistently above $11,000 indicate.

It seems the XRC designation is the most accurate for this card.

[tripncards]

I appreciate everyone's opinion, perspective & thoughts. Another completed sale on eBay for PSA 10 = $15k. I'm still stunned by the up-tick in value. (on all graded ones)

[Willikn]

I appreciate everyone's opinion, perspective & thoughts. Another completed sale on eBay for PSA 10 = $15k. I'm still stunned by the up-tick in value. (on all graded ones)

The high bidders on the PSA 10 and the PSA 9 from last night, both dubious at best. As much as I love this card, I think I have to admit that at least some of this is manufactured.

[Gummybears]

I have recently sold and been paid for a PSA 9 at 3500. 2 have also sold on stockx for around that price. While some manipulation is always a worry, these seem to be legitimately rising.

[tripncards]

I have recently sold and been paid for a PSA 9 at 3500. 2 have also sold on stockx for around that price. While some manipulation is always a worry, these seem to be legitimately rising.

Wow interesting.

[tripncards]

The eBay market is getting a lot of MJ 1985 Promo's from all grades to all prices. I feel it's starting to cool down a little. Maybe I'm wrong.

[EJKaufman]

I am considering getting this card and have 2 options:
(1) a PSA 10 version for $11.7k (Pop 162)
(2) an SGC Gold Label for $16.75k (Pop 6)

The PSA 10 has sold for between 11.2k to 15.4k range recently. The SGC Gold Label was purchased for $10K in August and the buyer is trying to flip it. Which do you guys think is the better buy/value? I am leaning toward the PSA 10 as I'd save $5k and it's had the higher sales track record. But the population on the SGC Gold Label is about 4% of the population of the PSA 10's. Appreciate some opinions.

[sebreg]

Of the 80s Jordans, this is the one I'd like to pick up at some point. Love the photography, full-bleed, and action shot.

[Dame]

I am considering getting this card and have 2 options:
(1) a PSA 10 version for $11.7k (Pop 162)
(2) an SGC Gold Label for $16.75k (Pop 6)

The PSA 10 has sold for between 11.2k to 15.4k range recently. The SGC Gold Label was purchased for $10K in August and the buyer is trying to flip it. Which do you guys think is the better buy/value? I am leaning toward the PSA 10 as I'd save $5k and it's had the higher sales track record. But the population on the SGC Gold Label is about 4% of the population of the PSA 10's. Appreciate some opinions.

PSA 10

[Willikn]

I am considering getting this card and have 2 options:
(1) a PSA 10 version for $11.7k (Pop 162)
(2) an SGC Gold Label for $16.75k (Pop 6)

The PSA 10 has sold for between 11.2k to 15.4k range recently. The SGC Gold Label was purchased for $10K in August and the buyer is trying to flip it. Which do you guys think is the better buy/value? I am leaning toward the PSA 10 as I'd save $5k and it's had the higher sales track record. But the population on the SGC Gold Label is about 4% of the population of the PSA 10's. Appreciate some opinions.

Seeing images would be necessary.

This card varies in size coming out of the pack. The bigger, the better. Were I to pay a premium on that card, it wouldn't be for an SGC gold label. It would be for a larger copy. My bet, that SGC gold label will be small.

[tripncards]

I am considering getting this card and have 2 options:
(1) a PSA 10 version for $11.7k (Pop 162)
(2) an SGC Gold Label for $16.75k (Pop 6)

The PSA 10 has sold for between 11.2k to 15.4k range recently. The SGC Gold Label was purchased for $10K in August and the buyer is trying to flip it. Which do you guys think is the better buy/value? I am leaning toward the PSA 10 as I'd save $5k and it's had the higher sales track record. But the population on the SGC Gold Label is about 4% of the population of the PSA 10's. Appreciate some opinions.

I personally would go for the PSA 10.

[aaronking23]

Always thought this card was kinda a meme then it surged. Sitting on 2 (PSA 8 and 9) I got over a year ago only because I pc Jordan and it was so cheap.

Not sure if I should sell/hold. They're flooding the market but the demand is high for it for some reason. I can see it having another uptick because of the iconic image but at the same time it's a jumbo nike postcard that I'm just not crazy about maybe it's just me.

Thinking of selling one and using it to buy another Jordan.

[CoolG]

The 1988 Entenmann’s BULLS set is a great collectible.
Nice cards and rare.

[Jordan7]

If anyone has any 1985 sealed packs for sale please let me know.

[tripncards]

I was randomly looking on ebay closed auctions and saw this card has now crossed the $20k+ mark. I just wonder how long will it last, if/when the bubble pops will it affect Jordan in particular, or if it maintains this kind of value in the future with some up & down $ value bumps.

[Willikn]

If anyone has any 1985 sealed packs for sale please let me know.

Buying those is very risky. More fake "sealed sets" than real IMO. I do not know this seller. I have bought from him, both sealed and graded. I know his stash is real. May be better served to grab an 8 in the same price range.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NIKE-CARD-SET-1985-Factory-Sealed-MICHAEL-JORDAN-Chicago-Bulls-JUMPMAN/133638683887?hash=item1f1d7c7cef:g:9iwAAOSw0jRgAc8z

[Brent72]

Buying those is very risky. More fake "sealed sets" than real IMO. I do not know this seller. I have bought from him, both sealed and graded. I know his stash is real. May be better served to grab an 8 in the same price range.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NIKE-CARD-SET-1985-Factory-Sealed-MICHAEL-JORDAN-Chicago-Bulls-JUMPMAN/133638683887?hash=item1f1d7c7cef:g:9iwAAOSw0jRgAc8z

Is there any way to identify the fakes? I've had mine since the 80s so I know it's real, but how could I ever convince a potential buyer of that if I wanted to eventually sell it?

[Dame]

I was randomly looking on ebay closed auctions and saw this card has now crossed the $20k+ mark. I just wonder how long will it last, if the bubble pops will it affect Jordan in particular, or if it maintains this kind of value in the future with some up & down $ value bumps.

Doesn’t make sense to me. I was watching that and going for the PSA 10 and it went all the way up to $23k.

That’s an $8k bump from 2 weeks ago. Manipulation in play.

[Brent72]

I can understand the big bump in all MJ stuff lately, but it seems crazy for this card to have exploded that dramatically in a couple weeks

[Dame]

I can understand the big bump in all MJ stuff lately, but it seems crazy for this card to have exploded that dramatically in a couple weeks

Precisely

[pingbling23]

Bought my bgs 8.5 at the beginning of 2016 for around $100.

[Willikn]

Is there any way to identify the fakes? I've had mine since the 80s so I know it's real, but how could I ever convince a potential buyer of that if I wanted to eventually sell it?

All of the fakes I know, including the "sealed sets", are terrible. The image is too big for the card (among many other things) so the borders are all wrong. Stock is different. Font on the back is off. One of them, the word "Michael" is mispelled on the back.

May be newer ones now.

[Willikn]

Plenty of fakes for sale on Ebay right now.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Michael-Jordan-Nike-Promo-Card/154289544204?hash=item23ec5f9c0c:g:cxkAAOSwViVf9KwP

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-NIKE-Sports-Card-Promo-MICHAEL-JORDAN-RC-Rookie-Card-JUMPMAN/124527046941?hash=item1cfe63f11d:g:-KgAAOSwzN9f8z7n

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-nike-promo-michael-jordan-MINT/224316644170?hash=item343a505b4a:g:VlwAAOSw1A1fzU-I

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-michael-jordan-nike-promo-card-2-MINT-10-OUT-OF-10-RARE-INVEST/224315261963?hash=item343a3b440b:g:doMAAOSw0kpf~zHE

[aaronking23]

I have 2 of these slabbed

easy tell on the fakes is no middle building out of the 3 where swoosh is on bttm left on the front

You want that middle building that dips down

[tripncards]

Bought my bgs 8.5 at the beginning of 2016 for around $100.

Great deal. I’ll keep an eye out for this cards $ trend

[tripncards]

$35k - Psa 10 - 79 watchers

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Nike-Promo-Michael-Jordan-ROOKIE-RC-PSA-10-GEM-MINT-/224316784951?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292

[aaronking23]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/30acdfe581fc68d4dd0ecc0e873f9fc5/tenor.gif?itemid=4252190

[Dame]

Someone needs to pull the trigger to cause a chain reaction. The recent PSA 10 sale of $23k helped spike these new prices.

[Dame]

Cbreezy or Travis Scott needs to grab a PSA 10 and post that on their IG. they been a huge Air Jordan fan since day 1 lol

[Brent72]

If a PSA 9 is now bringing over $4k what's the going rate for a BGS 9 with good subs?

[ThePackLife]

IMHO, it's only a matter of time before the PSA 9's cross 10K territory. I do have two of them that I purchased for about $900 each right before The Last Dance aired on ESPN and 10K would probably be my selling point so hopefully it happens sooner than later.

[Illustrious]

I have a lot of Jordan cards, but for some reason this card has always been my favorite MJ. I’m glad to see it’s getting some well-deserved attention.

[Brent72]

I have a lot of Jordan cards, but for some reason this card has always been my favorite MJ. I’m glad to see it’s getting some well-deserved attention.

It's definitely his coolest looking early issue card with that iconic pose. :cool:

[Dame]

PSA 10 up for auction with Probestein

$27,600 with 5 days to go.

[tripncards]

Beckett BGS - Pristine 10 - $399,999.99 obo

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Nike-Michael-Jordan-BGS-10-Pristine-2-Rookie-RC-pop-4-/303562507540?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292

[yoyosh]

I taped one of these to my wall when I was a kid.
No idea what happened to it, but recently picked up a PSA 7
Such an iconic image
Will be fun to watch these in future years, they sure did print a lot of these back then!

[GatorPie]

Just got one I’ve had for over 20 years back from BGS. It got a 7.5, higher than I was expecting.

[thenwhatjk]

I sold a PSA 8 the same day I got it back from grading a week or so ago and it’s up like $400 from then

[Dame]

PSA 10 up to $31,000, will end tonight. PWCC vault has one for $65,000 from $40k.

A BGS 9.5 just sold for $12,500, that seems like amazing value considering how much PSA 10’s are going for.

Reached out to a few sellers with their PSA 9’s and no one is budging. Seems like most wants at least $9k for their copies

[tripncards]

PSA 10 up to $31,000, will end tonight. PWCC vault has one for $65,000 from $40k.

A BGS 9.5 just sold for $12,500, that seems like amazing value considering how much PSA 10’s are going for.

Reached out to a few sellers with their PSA 9’s and no one is budging. Seems like most wants at least $9k for their copies

I regret not picking up some PSA 9's five years ago...

[Dame]

I regret not picking up some PSA 9's five years ago...

Same, it was so cheap that even if it didn’t gain in value, having a vintage card with real significance was a nice collectors piece to have..

Who would’ve thought the value of these cards would be where they are today?

[visualplane]

I picked up a BGS 9 just a few weeks ago and it more than doubled since.

[Dame]

I picked up a BGS 9 just a few weeks ago and it more than doubled since.

86 Fleer just pulled every vintage Jordans prices up. Still on the lookout for a PSA 9, hoping the auction sells below $8k.

[Brent72]

I picked up a BGS 9 just a few weeks ago and it more than doubled since.

What's the BGS 9 going for on average now? Think I paid around $1200 for mine over the summer

[visualplane]

What's the BGS 9 going for on average now? Think I paid around $1200 for mine over the summer

$4500 - $4750

[visualplane]

It's an awesome card and I wouldn't mind holding it long term. It's got the iconic logo.

https://i.imgur.com/kswvCsp.png

[Brent72]

$4500 - $4750

Wow, glad I pulled the trigger when I did...thought I was overpaying at the time. :D

[Illustrious]

One of my biggest regrets is hesitating on buying a PSA 9 around 2016-17 for the $200-$250 they were going for because I thought that was too expensive for that particular card. I paid $1200 for a PSA 8 late last year and it killed me to do that, but based on the current market I guess I shouldn't feel too bad.

[Cavs16]

...........

[tripncards]

PSA 10 up for auction with Probestein

$27,600 with 5 days to go.

Now the auction ended and it sold for $35,101

[thenwhatjk]

How come these run ups only happen on high pop cards like this

[aaronking23]

got my psa 8 for 500$ about a month after the last dance aired and before it hit netflix, all jordans surprisingly dipped then and psa 9 pre covid for 350$

[MikawlBBC]

How come these run ups only happen on high pop cards like this

Any idea what the print run is for this set/card?

[Erikthredd]

Any idea what the print run is for this set/card?

They’re probably still being printed :D


Now the auction ended and it sold for $35,101

A year ago this month,these were selling in the $1000-1400 range.

[Spartanwilliam]

PSA 10 up to $31,000, will end tonight. PWCC vault has one for $65,000 from $40k.

A BGS 9.5 just sold for $12,500, that seems like amazing value considering how much PSA 10’s are going for.

Reached out to a few sellers with their PSA 9’s and no one is budging. Seems like most wants at least $9k for their copies

That was my thinking. Got a BGS 9 with three 9's and a 9.5 centering for around 5k. Potentially thinking of a slab swap to a PSA 9 or if really lucky a 10 and flipping it. Love the card but if I can get anywhere near that I have plenty of other things I could buy into.

[aaronking23]

total psa pop

85 nike - 2,643 (167 10's)

86 fleer - 18,394 (316 10's)

[Spartanwilliam]

total psa pop

85 nike - 2,643 (167 10's)

86 fleer - 18,394 (316 10's)

BGS

85 Nike - 1,303 (283 cards 9.5 and above)

86 fleer - 11,569 (532 cards 9.5 and above)

[Brent72]

So less than 4k graded vs almost 30k of the '86 Fleer. So glad I picked one of these up when I had the chance. :)!

[yoyosh]

I taped one of these to my wall when I was a kid.
No idea what happened to it, but recently picked up a PSA 7
Such an iconic image
Will be fun to watch these in future years, they sure did print a lot of these back then!

I waited for a pull back on the Fleer, obviously there hasn't been one.
I didn't want that to happen again with this guy

https://i.postimg.cc/4NQD42br/jordan-nike.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[pcptrade]

total psa pop

85 nike - 2,643 (167 10's)

86 fleer - 18,394 (316 10's)

BGS

85 Nike - 1,303 (283 cards 9.5 and above)

86 fleer - 11,569 (532 cards 9.5 and above)

Does that mean this could be a 100K card soon:D

[Illustrious]

SGC has also graded a total of 529 copies of the '85 Nike with 9 being Pristine 10's and 81 being Gem Mint 10's. As far as the '86 Fleer, they've graded a total of 2147 copies, with 1 being a Pristine 10 and 25 being Gem Mint 10's.

[Spartanwilliam]

SGC has also graded a total of 529 copies of the '85 Nike with 9 being Pristine 10's and 81 being Gem Mint 10's. As far as the '86 Fleer, they've graded a total of 2147 copies, with 1 being a Pristine 10 and 25 being Gem Mint 10's.


Somewhat blows my mind that people don’t look at/consider the pop reports. Doesn’t give the full picture, but at least it gives you an idea.

I think the difference for now is the size of the two cards and the fact that he’s not in a jersey. I own the 1985, so those don’t bother me but I get it. I do think this card will go up on value as people catch on/find out about it. Publicity is key for big $ on these cards.


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[aaronking23]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/l0EoBCmxtSZhJQvxS/giphy.gif

[GatorPie]

Just got mine back after 7 months. This card was evidently in an album at some point as all four corners show rubbing marks, hence the grade.

https://i.postimg.cc/fyMcs0np/2021-01-30-0005.jpg

[tripncards]

Somewhat blows my mind that people don’t look at/consider the pop reports. Doesn’t give the full picture, but at least it gives you an idea.

I think the difference for now is the size of the two cards and the fact that he’s not in a jersey. I own the 1985, so those don’t bother me but I get it. I do think this card will go up on value as people catch on/find out about it. Publicity is key for big $ on these cards.


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I agree. The last dance helped give Jordan cards overall a bump up and when you add in more publicity, time, new fans, older people having some $, I feel it will help in the long run

[ThePackLife]

We did it bois!

PSA 9's are now being listed in the $15-20K range and last I checked, auctions are at around $6-7K with quite some time left.

Congrats to those that bought and held...

[yoyosh]

Crazy to see some sellers with multiple auctions/listings and BUNCH of sold listings.
Those guys saw the future fs!

[Illustrious]

Crazy to see some sellers with multiple auctions/listings and BUNCH of sold listings.
Those guys saw the future fs!

Looking back, it should have been obvious to all of us:

1. it has one of the most iconic photos ever in sports, that later became an iconic logo from an iconic brand
2. it was actually released during his rookie year
3. although he's not in a Bulls uniform, he IS is Bulls colors
4. it has a much lower pop from all grading companies than the Fleer
5. it was outrageously affordable for decades

[visualplane]

$4500 - $4750

BGS 9 Nike Promo at $7500 now

[Brent72]

BGS 9 Nike Promo at $7500 now

Did one sell at that price or is it just asking price?

[gregboise]

Cool 2 see

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210201/90c1f6a608446d5b366ca085f88bc0d9.jpg
Where do you think the 1985 Air Jordan hang tag fits in to all this?


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[Cavs16]

Did one sell at that price or is it just asking price?

PSA 9 sold in auction today for $9,400....these are starting to move as people realize how low the pop counts are.

[Dame]

BGS 9.5 or an autographed PSA 8 Certified/UDA copy?

[thenwhatjk]

PSA 8 has now doubled since I sold on January 21

Y’all lemmings af

[Spartanwilliam]

PSA 8 has now doubled since I sold on January 21

Y’all lemmings af

I just got in on a BGS 9 with three 9's and a 9.5 centering earlier this week. Still room to get in and make a profit in the short and long-term. Not as lucky as some of you who got these a while back but profit is profit.

Just don't be the person buying the fake sealed packs/attic finds. These cards are not that hard to authenticate. Just dont be the guy buying the fake.

[thenwhatjk]

I assume early stuff that’s actually rare like the jewel sticker would not get a piece of this run up since it’s tougher to run up stuff that’s actually rare, yeah?

[aaronking23]

I assume early stuff that’s actually rare like the jewel sticker would not get a piece of this run up since it’s tougher to run up stuff that’s actually rare, yeah?

yes until the influencers decide to buy it them pump it like they do everything else

[thenwhatjk]

yes until the influencers decide to buy it them pump it like they do everything else

Thanks, just wanted to confirm

[Spartanwilliam]

Thanks, just wanted to confirm

I don't necessarily agree. Just easier to start a run on things that have a lower starting point. Though I have this card, I couldn't afford that sticker. I think that has a lot to do with it. But surely publicity helps.

At the same time: wouldn't you want the super rare things to be on the down-low for a bit if it's within your range? Just allows you to stock up a bit prior to the jump.

[thenwhatjk]

I don't necessarily agree. Just easier to start a run on things that have a lower starting point. Though I have this card, I couldn't afford that sticker. I think that has a lot to do with it. But surely publicity helps.

At the same time: wouldn't you want the super rare things to be on the down-low for a bit if it's within your range? Just allows you to stock up a bit prior to the jump.

Oh I don’t care either way and have zero money to invest or whatever, I just find it hilarious

[rj.cataldo]

I’m glad I own a PSA 9, but I find the run up on these as insane as the #57s. I wouldn’t be buying at at 9500 or whatever they are selling for. They are undoubtedly more rare than the Fleer but they aren’t distributed from a trading card company are oversized and don’t have a team uniform.

That said as a huge fan of all things Nike and Nike posters they are beautiful cards. I just don’t think the run up is sustained in the long run.


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[visualplane]

Did one sell at that price or is it just asking price?

Asking price was 9k, sold at $7500

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Nike-Promo-Michael-Jordan-2-BGS-9-MINT-Gorgeous-Pre-86-1986-Fleer/293975637696?hash=item4472503ec0:g:Uz8AAOSwDYJgEIsM

[yoyosh]

I’m glad I own a PSA 9, but I find the run up on these as insane as the #57s. I wouldn’t be buying at at 9500 or whatever they are selling for. They are undoubtedly more rare than the Fleer but they aren’t distributed from a trading card company are oversized and don’t have a team uniform.

That said as a huge fan of all things Nike and Nike posters they are beautiful cards. I just don’t think the run up is sustained in the long run.


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I’m a big supply/demand guy.
Many are priced out of any grade Fleer RC
Fleer RC stickers are heading in that direction too

SIX graded Nike MJs have sold TODAY, the cheapest being $2k for a PSA 4. :eek:
There’s currently only 20 remaining PSA graded copies for sale on eBay
Are prices sustainable? I have no idea!
Are these red hot? Absolutely!

[rj.cataldo]

I’m a big supply/demand guy.
Many are priced out of any grade Fleer RC
Fleer RC stickers are heading in that direction too

SIX graded Nike MJs have sold TODAY, the cheapest being $2k for a PSA 4. :eek:
There’s currently only 20 remaining PSA graded copies for sale on eBay
Are prices sustainable? I have no idea!
Are these red hot? Absolutely!


Everything Jordan is insanely hot right now - too hot in my opinion. Ultimately it depends what you goals are. If your in it for the “flip” then I personally would be comfortable leaving some meat on the bone and making a big profit. If you are just a collector and want to own one - I think patience is warranted.


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[Dame]

Everything Jordan is insanely hot right now - too hot in my opinion. Ultimately it depends what you goals are. If your in it for the “flip” then I personally would be comfortable leaving some meat on the bone and making a big profit. If you are just a collector and want to own one - I think patience is warranted.


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Massive room for profit on this one. Just wait until those PSA 10's starts going for $100k which is highly plausible considering the influence behind all these record breaking PSA 10 sales.

It's not if, it's when.

[Willikn]

Everything Jordan is insanely hot right now - too hot in my opinion. Ultimately it depends what you goals are. If your in it for the “flip” then I personally would be comfortable leaving some meat on the bone and making a big profit. If you are just a collector and want to own one - I think patience is warranted.


..or, if you are collector, buy something else in that realm. The actual posters haven't really moved much in the last year. Not that I can tell. Maybe because they don't fit inside a PSA slab? Maybe because .. opportunity. Maybe nothing at all, but at least you won't get raked over the coals buying them and man are they cool.

[aaronking23]

agree with rj

mj market is laughable right now but at the same time I'm not complaining

the prices of common base slabbed cards is ridiculous

sit back and chill mode, buying other things here and there

[thenwhatjk]

Is the general vibe that this is happening due to the Zions and Traes of the world not completely living up to their values so far this season?

[Dame]

Is the general vibe that this is happening due to the Zions and Traes of the world not completely living up to their values so far this season?

No

....

[Spartanwilliam]

No

....

Not completely off, but no. People have to realize what the market has become as of late: pick up as many Prizm P$A 10$ you can get!!!!

That can only work for so long. Eventually people look at the population reports.

At the same time this was happening: the cards of "older" stars such as LeBron, KD, Steph etc were not seeing the same jump in prices. People looked at that and thought: this makes no sense, let me get those. Eventually the "Prizm P$A 10$" crowd was pushed to that as well and the prices went crazy.

Now: It seems like everyone has picked up their base rookies and their "older" rookies. Because of that, people are jumping to the retired legends. And now we are seeing the same thing that happened with these base prizm's happen to the older legends. Kobe, MJ, Shaq etc are all going crazy right now.

But to say it is the result of these guys not "performing" is way off. The difference being that many of the "older" stars and retired legends have cemented their place in history. Their fate is sealed for the most part. Because of this, the cards are safer long-term. Luca, Trae, Zion etc are all one bad injury away from being a Deron Williams. That is the thought process IMO.

Is this sustainable? Possibly long-term, but not short term. There will be a fall in each of these three categories. Pick the category you feel comfortable in and make the purchases you're comfortable with. There is money to be made at all levels. Just have to have a plan.

[starfox]

I have this. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210202/10b4c427fba5797e1f269f8c7c71b167.jpg

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[tripncards]

The run up continues on eBay for all graded Nike promo's. I'm stunned.

[Spartanwilliam]

The run up continues on eBay for all graded Nike promo's. I'm stunned.

Shouldn't be. There aren't many of these cards out there based on the pop reports. Do you want a Fleer card or a Nike card? Sure, we've seen the arguments in here for/against but I see nothing but upside for this card. Just wish I had the $ to buy more than one.

[tripncards]

Shouldn't be. There aren't many of these cards out there based on the pop reports. Do you want a Fleer card or a Nike card? Sure, we've seen the arguments in here for/against but I see nothing but upside for this card. Just wish I had the $ to buy more than one.

I agree. Years ago, I looked at the Pop reports for Nike vs Fleer. I looked at pricing between the two at that time. Nike was very cheap. I researched the history between the two and the debates on this forum of Nike Vs Fleer Vs being a true rookie card.

I opted for Nike PSA 10 for $748 which was a lot cheaper than a Fleer PSA 10 going for 25k-30k at the time.


No regrets other than not buying more PSA graded Nike.

[Spartanwilliam]

I agree. Years ago, I looked at the Pop reports for Nike vs Fleer. I looked at pricing between the two at that time. Nike was very cheap. I researched the history between the two and the debates on this forum of Nike Vs Fleer Vs being a true rookie card.

I opted for Nike PSA 10 for $748 which was a lot cheaper than a Fleer PSA 10 going for 25k-30k at the time.


No regrets other than not buying more PSA graded Nike.

Wish I had done the same. Got in late, but not too late.

[Bulls90s]

I have ONE in my collection... PSA 7..got it fo' cheap too.

[rj.cataldo]

..or, if you are collector, buy something else in that realm. The actual posters haven't really moved much in the last year. Not that I can tell. Maybe because they don't fit inside a PSA slab? Maybe because .. opportunity. Maybe nothing at all, but at least you won't get raked over the coals buying them and man are they cool.


Wow - we couldn’t agree more on this front. When I first bought this card it was only because I couldn’t find an authentic and decent condition poster available. I had dreams at one time of getting that poster signed during the brief period it was possible to send in items to UD. I only got two of the four Nike posters I wanted to get signed done. I’d imagine that opportunity is gone forever given how UDA has been, but that said - the poster is a great buy.


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[tripncards]

Fake yet people are bidding

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-1985-Nike-Promo-/274670935019?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292

[Dame]

IMHO, it's only a matter of time before the PSA 9's cross 10K territory. I do have two of them that I purchased for about $900 each right before The Last Dance aired on ESPN and 10K would probably be my selling point so hopefully it happens sooner than later.

Took about 13 days since you posted this.

$9,600
$10,200
$11,200

Last 3 PSA 9 sales...

[Willikn]

Wow - we couldn’t agree more on this front. When I first bought this card it was only because I couldn’t find an authentic and decent condition poster available. I had dreams at one time of getting that poster signed during the brief period it was possible to send in items to UD. I only got two of the four Nike posters I wanted to get signed done. I’d imagine that opportunity is gone forever given how UDA has been, but that said - the poster is a great buy.


Looking at a couple (not the kingpin) still in the sleeve right now. I can move a 90 Fleer PSA 10, buy them, and have hundreds left over. What a world!

That Blue/Black you have, still hunting.

[Spartanwilliam]

Took about 13 days since you posted this.

$9,600
$10,200
$11,200

Last 3 PSA 9 sales...

Just need another PSA 10 to go on auction. Seems like every auction they go up more and more. Pretty ridiculous but its how things have been going.

[Illustrious]

PSA 8’s seem to be selling in the $4500-$5000 window now.

[aaronking23]

Psa 10 gonna hit 100k in 2-6 weeks

[tripncards]

Psa 10 gonna hit 100k in 2-6 weeks

Now that would be very interesting. I could pay off the remaining house loan and have some $ left over.

[Stoiclife]

Another card along with the 1987 Fleer PSA 9 that I shoyldshould have pulled the trigger on. Not to mention, it's such an aesthetically pleasing card of the GOAT.

[Dame]

Just need another PSA 10 to go on auction. Seems like every auction they go up more and more. Pretty ridiculous but its how things have been going.

And it’s going to happen. Few heavy hitters on IG are looking for a PSA 10.

The next Probstein/PWCC auction will most definitely break the recent sale of $35k.

And unlike most vintage Jordans, there really isn’t a lot of these in the market.


FOMO is already driving the prices on PSA 7-9.

[ThePackLife]

Took about 13 days since you posted this.

$9,600
$10,200
$11,200

Last 3 PSA 9 sales...


Crazy times indeed... I was thinking 6 months to a year and maybe we could get close. Less than two weeks is insane.

[tripncards]

And it’s going to happen. Few heavy hitters on IG are looking for a PSA 10.

The next Probstein/PWCC auction will most definitely break the recent sale of $35k.

And unlike most vintage Jordans, there really isn’t a lot of these in the market.


FOMO is already driving the prices on PSA 7-9.

I agree on FOMO.

Per PSA Population Report

Authentic = 6
3 = 3
4 = 26
5 = 35
6 = 102
7 = 246
8 = 1,108
9 = 953
10 = 167

Total Graded (so far) 2,646

Link: https://www.psacard.com/pop/multi-sport-cards/1985/nike/42461

[ThePackLife]

I agree on FOMO.

Per PSA Population Report

Authentic = 6
3 = 3
4 = 26
5 = 35
6 = 102
7 = 246
8 = 1,108
9 = 953
10 = 167

Total Graded (so far) 2,646

Link: https://www.psacard.com/pop/multi-sport-cards/1985/nike/42461

Less than 3,000 copies total is ridiculous.
Either way I'm here for it... Popcorn and all. lol

[Mustang1990]

for the same price would you get this card or an 1987 jordan ??

[Illustrious]

for the same price would you get this card or an 1987 jordan ??

Without a doubt the '85 Nike, the '87 is technically a 4th year card.

[Dame]

for the same price would you get this card or an 1987 jordan ??

Besides the 86 Fleer, I wouldn’t pick any other 80’s Fleer MJ over this one. This simply has a lot of history in it, but I’m biased since I have always been an Air Jordan collector.

The execution on this Nike card is simply timeless to me. Love the colors and obviously the Jumpman shot.

[hairyangryfella]

I saw one of these (not sure what exactly but it was one of those 'lame Nike cards') on Facebook and couldn't believe the asking price. Things really have gone too far.
Couldn't care less about anything not in pro uniform and the Nike cards have been around forever without that much desire, now they're multiple thousand dollars worth???

[Brent72]

I saw one of these (not sure what exactly but it was one of those 'lame Nike cards') on Facebook and couldn't believe the asking price. Things really have gone too far.
Couldn't care less about anything not in pro uniform and the Nike cards have been around forever without that much desire, now they're multiple thousand dollars worth???

It's one of his earliest issues on a card in his most iconic pose. Not surprising they have finally taken off in price.

[ThePackLife]

Can anyone post what the $13.9K Best Offer on the PSA9 actually sell for? It just sold today.

[Illustrious]

Can anyone post what the $13.9K Best Offer on the PSA9 actually sell for? It just sold today.

It appears it sold for the full $13,999 asking price.

[ThePackLife]

It appears it sold for the full $13,999 asking price.

Thank you sir.

[doubledribble]

Crazy. Now the 1991 Nike promo sets are taking off. I bought a handful last uear was happy to sell a few for $50. Should have held.

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[ninjacookies]

Bob while the masses weave.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-GOLD-PRIZM-Rare-Air-Card-Promo-Card-1-of-10-000/324467780587?hash=item4b8bc96beb:g:ZloAAOSwfFBgEzDH

[Illustrious]

Bob while the masses weave.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-GOLD-PRIZM-Rare-Air-Card-Promo-Card-1-of-10-000/324467780587?hash=item4b8bc96beb:g:ZloAAOSwfFBgEzDH

What happened to the tips of his toes? And the fingers on his hand for that matter.

[burke23]

Just nuts. Got an sgc 10 at psa right now - maybe I shouldn’t have put a min grade given what psa 9’s are doing.

[ThePackLife]

Bob while the masses weave.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-GOLD-PRIZM-Rare-Air-Card-Promo-Card-1-of-10-000/324467780587?hash=item4b8bc96beb:g:ZloAAOSwfFBgEzDH

MJ UberFractor... They aren't ready for all of this yet ninja.

[ninjacookies]

What happened to the tips of his toes?

Disintegrated from the atmospheric pressure on Mars.

ACEObois don't ignore science. #fax

MJ UberFractor... They aren't ready for all of this yet ninja.

The Qwasian Gallery wasn't built in a fortnite, playboy.

[Mustang1990]

Wow, currently the lowest BIN for psa 9 is $18k!!!

[Dame]

Wow, currently the lowest BIN for psa 9 is $18k!!!

Curious where the one with a starting bid of $13k will end up.

[Mustang1990]

Curious where the one with a starting bid of $13k will end up.

Yes... Lots of watchers so if imagine it gets some bids going towards the end

[Mustang1990]

Curious where the one with a starting bid of $13k will end up.


And there it goes.... 2 bids already

[ThePackLife]

I saw one of these (not sure what exactly but it was one of those 'lame Nike cards') on Facebook and couldn't believe the asking price. Things really have gone too far.
Couldn't care less about anything not in pro uniform and the Nike cards have been around forever without that much desire, now they're multiple thousand dollars worth???

There's hundreds of millions of people who associate more with the Jumpman logo than MJ himself... Sneakerhead culture moving into the hobby will eat this up...

[tripncards]

There's hundreds of millions of people who associate more with the Jumpman logo than MJ himself... Sneakerhead culture moving into the hobby will eat this up...

Great point on the sneaker community. Those are passionate collectors on many levels and they will pay a premium for Nike, the jump man logo and the fact it’s one of his earliest cards regardless of it being a Fleer, Topps etc. The jump man image is iconic and to this day put on all major sporting types. Football to basketball to golf to tennis etc

[Brent72]

There's hundreds of millions of people who associate more with the Jumpman logo than MJ himself... Sneakerhead culture moving into the hobby will eat this up...

I'd never thought about it, but that's actually a great point. The Jumpman logo is iconic to an entire group of people who aren't necessarily card collectors.

[Dame]

Goldin has one now. Nice to see the card being introduced to high end buyers.

BGS 9.5. $9500 with 5 days to go.

[Mustang1990]

I have 2 of these now... By far the COOLEST LOOKING card I've ever had.. Not just jordan card but any.. Glad I grabbed a few

[Dame]

If this thing reaches the $25k mark, those PSA 10’s will easily double in the market. Last PSA 10 was $35k.

https://i.postimg.cc/rpfhSjqj/72149155-3447-4-B64-93-E3-47-BD7-ACD9813.jpg


PSA 9’s are now shooting up to $14k range. It went up by $10k in just 2 weeks.

[GTguy]

Very cool niche card, but I have to think that there is a more defined ceiling for this one than any of his real rookies. Unlicensed, printed on bad stock, etc. should be interesting to see where it goes in the future though.

[Dame]

Very cool niche card, but I have to think that there is a more defined ceiling for this one than any of his real rookies. Unlicensed, printed on bad stock, etc. should be interesting to see where it goes in the future though.

It’s not going to reach Fleer 86 growth but I’ve been hearing the same doubts since last year when these were comically cheap. “It’s oversized”, “he’s not wearing his Bulls uniform” etc.

New money coming in doesn’t really conform with our standards. They see a vintage Air Jordan card - I know the word iconic has been thrown a lot lately, but the Jumpman is the epitome of an icon in pop cultures with fewer copies in circulation- and these consumers are paying the premium.

[yoyosh]

I’m a big supply/demand guy.
Many are priced out of any grade Fleer RC
Fleer RC stickers are heading in that direction too

SIX graded Nike MJs have sold TODAY, the cheapest being $2k for a PSA 4. :eek:
There’s currently only 20 remaining PSA graded copies for sale on eBay
Are prices sustainable? I have no idea!
Are these red hot? Absolutely!

5 days since my post above...fascinating to watch the market on these move so swiftly.

Today (Feb 6) there are
36 graded copies for sale on eBay
2 PSA 9s sold on Thurs, none yesterday and none so far today
Cheapest BIN is for a PSA 4 @ $2323.23 OBO

[aaronking23]

Don't understand why people are rushed to sell when they see prices soaring by the day it seems

feel like this card has a much higher ceiling than any 87-90 base card/ sticker

[Illustrious]

Don't understand why people are rushed to sell when they see prices soaring by the day it seems

feel like this card has a much higher ceiling than any 87-90 base card/ sticker

Preach!

[Mustang1990]

There is a whole additional audience for this card than a "regular" jordan or basketball card... Nike as a whole is much bigger than jordan

[aaronking23]

Also wasn't really meant to be collected and is a brutal grade bc it's slightly oversized

Seen guys pack pull these off youtube and I know that came back got 6's and 7's.

easy long term hold esp if you have a higher grade

[ThePackLife]

There are a few variables as to why selling this card now and taking the profits is not a bad idea... One thing that actually scares me is the fact that Nike could decide to "retro" this card set at some point and include it in a future release. Nike retros everything... I wouldn't put it past them to do the same here.

[Illustrious]

There are a few variables as to why selling this card now and taking the profits is not a bad idea... One thing that actually scares me is the fact that Nike could decide to "retro" this card set at some point and include it in a future release. Nike retros everything... I wouldn't put it past them to do the same here.

I'm not sure that would be possible since Upper Deck has the exclusive rights to make trading cards featuring him:

http://upperdeck.com/corporate/news-and-events/2015-03-17.aspx

Under the new agreement, the company will continue to be the sole producer of authenticated collectibles, trading cards and memorabilia featuring the basketball legend’s image and autograph.

[ThePackLife]

I'm not sure that would be possible since Upper Deck has the exclusive rights to make trading cards featuring him:

http://upperdeck.com/corporate/news-and-events/2015-03-17.aspx

Under the new agreement, the company will continue to be the sole producer of authenticated collectibles, trading cards and memorabilia featuring the basketball legend’s image and autograph.

Thank you!!! Looks like all is well then! To the moon bois!!!

[Dame]

Even if they reissue another, this only makes the original much more valuable. 1st prints will always have premiums.

[tripncards]

In baseball world, Topps did the same thing for the coveted 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle rookie card with a 1996 Topps Mantle Reprint. Fleer did the same for the Jordan Rookie card.

The original seems to be bullet proof in terms of being affected by a reprint that looks exactly the same as the original.

Tonight looking on eBay, the Nike Jordan’s are closing fast. I truly wonder what the Nike card will be worth by Nov-Dec 2021!

[captionwanker]

Even if they reissue another, this only makes the original much more valuable. 1st prints will always have premiums.

true, im just waiting for virgil abloh/Nike to make a version of this card and with something dumb like "PSA 10" on the center with Jordan with a gold chain, a dad hat, dreads, designer hoody and Off white 1s. Watch these original prints skyrocket.

[ThePackLife]

true, im just waiting for virgil abloh/Nike to make a version of this card and with something dumb like "PSA 10" on the center with Jordan with a gold chain, a dad hat, dreads, designer hoody and Off white 1s. Watch these original prints skyrocket.

Call me crazy but I'd buy 10 copies of that retro version and PSA all of them. lol

To everyone that commented in regards to my retro post, THANK YOU! Your insight is very much appreciated. That's why I love this place.

[Dame]

4 PSA 8 sold today between $5300-$5900 (Auction and Best offer accepted)

5th copy is at $5900 with 30 mins to go.

Are you kidding me? PSA 8's are now going above $6000. Wow.

[Brent72]

4 PSA 8 sold today between $5300-$5900 (Auction and Best offer accepted)

5th copy is at $5900 with 30 mins to go.

Are you kidding me? PSA 8's are now going above $6000. Wow.

I saw a BGS 9 sell today for $5900 so why would a PSA 8 be selling for the same or more? :confused:

[Dame]

That BGS 9 has an 8.5 surface. Considering how tough PSA 9’s are on vintage, it may cross as a PSA 8.


Either that or the guy who sold it saw a healthy profit and cashed out. That’s an aberration perhaps, there’s more data to support that PSA 8’a are easily selling for $5200-$6k especially if it’s a clean copy. Not all graded cards are the same.

[Mustang1990]

4 PSA 8 sold today between $5300-$5900 (Auction and Best offer accepted)

5th copy is at $5900 with 30 mins to go.

Are you kidding me? PSA 8's are now going above $6000. Wow.

These are just staring their assent.... Psa I gonna be 10 k before weekend ends

[Mustang1990]

these are just starting their accent.....

[captionwanker]

These are just staring their assent.... Psa I gonna be 10 k before weekend ends

what's a psa I? anyways you might be right a psa 9 is at $14k with several days left. All the good stuff might be at Gary V's vault

[Mustang1990]

what's a psa I? anyways you might be right a psa 9 is at $14k with several days left. All the good stuff might be at Gary V's vault

sorry meant psa 8.....did gary v put these out on his channel as well??

[captionwanker]

sorry meant psa 8.....did gary v put these out on his channel as well??

he said its grossly, grossly, grossly underrated and he's obsessed with the nike and interlake jordan. I won't be surprised if he had a ton of 10s when they were dirt cheap.

[aaronking23]

178 watchers psa 8 4700 with over a day left heavens to betsy :coffee:

[Mustang1990]

i just picked up another psa 9 for 12k and was happy to do it. these are going to continue to rise in my option. awesome cards

[Cavs16]

i just picked up another psa 9 for 12k and was happy to do it. these are going to continue to rise in my option. awesome cards

Tough to believe you after reading your -1 itrader

[GatorPie]

Do you guys think a PSA 6 would sell for more than a BGS 7.5?

[ThePackLife]

Looks like $15.9K is the new high for a PSA 9. The BIN was hit yesterday. Speechless

[TKF]

Hi folks, I am new to the community and had a question regarding re-submittals from BSG to PSA. I picked up 2 Jordan Nike cards 5 years ago, both graded BSG 9. In the order of Centering/ Corners/ Edges/ Surface, one is a 9.5/9.5/9.5/8.5 and the other is 9.5/9/9/8.5.

Would you recommend resubmitting? I know it is a gamble. I think I may not do it to the first slab because it is so close to a 9.5. Thanks for all your help!