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k13
11-30-2020, 11:54 PM
Can't be any closer comparison. :)!

Lamelo should put up similar 16/6/6 rookie stats on terrible shooting and lot of turnovers.

Both tall lanky point guards that can't shoot but fill up those stats in garbage time. Always garbage time because they don't help winning.

Lamelo might take a few more years to fade since he'll be given more time.


:coffee:

PKIPP
12-01-2020, 12:28 AM
I mean, I’m not much of a fan either but can we at least wait until the games actually start being played?

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ninjacookies
12-01-2020, 12:41 AM
But who was best Alex?

Ovechkin < Caruso.


Tussle me.

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k13
12-01-2020, 01:09 AM
At least at the time NT /99 were only going for $500-$800

Now the loss would have been 10x

Skeely
12-01-2020, 01:27 AM
lamelo will be a far worse version of lonzo. i have played with both of them. lamelo has big talent but not league talent

pejc300
12-01-2020, 01:40 AM
lamelo will be a far worse version of lonzo. i have played with both of them. lamelo has big talent but not league talent

Love these takes. Random guy on the boards: "I played with him; he doesn't have enough talent to play in the NBA."

Every GM: He's a top 5 pick


Not saying the guy is going to be an all-star, but to say he "doesn't have league talent" is probably a bit of a stretch.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 04:59 AM
Love these takes. Random guy on the boards: "I played with him; he doesn't have enough talent to play in the NBA."

Every GM: He's a top 5 pick


Not saying the guy is going to be an all-star, but to say he "doesn't have league talent" is probably a bit of a stretch.

i dont mean he will be out of the league in a year. i probably could have worded it better. i just mean if you think hes the next big thing and are going to cash in on him its probably not going to happen. i hope im wrong cause hes a nice guy but i would just say buyer beware. everybody should buy what they want and what makes them happy though of course

49ersSF
12-01-2020, 06:06 AM
GM's should really start consulting random guys who post on blowout before ever making that top 5 pick. This is how GM's lose their jobs.

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 06:13 AM
One day we will find a player that k13 doesn’t hate. Don’t know how long it’s going to take but one day his grinchy heart will find something that is remotely positive

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 06:20 AM
Love these takes. Random guy on the boards: "I played with him; he doesn't have enough talent to play in the NBA."

Every GM: He's a top 5 pick


Not saying the guy is going to be an all-star, but to say he "doesn't have league talent" is probably a bit of a stretch.

It’s such a lazy take. Lonzo doesn’t have the size and isn’t nearly as good of a ball handler in the half court.

They’re really not similar as players at all

Skeely
12-01-2020, 06:35 AM
It’s such a lazy take. Lonzo doesn’t have the size and isn’t nearly as good of a ball handler in the half court.

They’re really not similar as players at all

lonzo is listed at 6'6 and lamelo is listed at 6'8. Not that big of a difference. I would also say that lonzo was promoted as having good ball handling out of college just like lamelo is. We also havent seen lamelo play the type of competition that lonzo or many other guys have and yes there has been exceptions to that rule. However hes played overseas in two not so great leagues and he has played high school (where i will admit he was impressive) and then in a league created by his dad. all say it again. buy what makes u happy but dont expect to cash in on this guy.

shootit
12-01-2020, 07:07 AM
luka dominated the best europe league, lamelo couldnt even dominate a 9 team Australian league lol

lavar finessed the nba for 2 lottery picks lol

indyguy
12-01-2020, 07:12 AM
One day we will find a player that k13 doesn’t hate. Don’t know how long it’s going to take but one day his grinchy heart will find something that is remotely positive

I highly doubt it, but we still have a month left of 2020, so maybe he will turn a new leaf.

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 07:18 AM
lonzo is listed at 6'6 and lamelo is listed at 6'8. Not that big of a difference. I would also say that lonzo was promoted as having good ball handling out of college just like lamelo is. We also havent seen lamelo play the type of competition that lonzo or many other guys have and yes there has been exceptions to that rule. However hes played overseas in two not so great leagues and he has played high school (where i will admit he was impressive) and then in a league created by his dad. all say it again. buy what makes u happy but dont expect to cash in on this guy.

So let me make this clear, I'm not buying LaMelo or coming at this from an angle of making money on cards. Purely basketball.

LaMelo is such a naturally gifted passer, more so than Lonzo, add the extra inch or 2 and it makes a big difference. Guys like Luka and LeBron make such incredible passes 1 because they just have that natural feel for the flow of the game, and they can see the entire floor because of their size. LaMelo has both of those traits.

LaMelo is an excellent ball-handler. Again, like Lonzo but better. Lonzo's biggest problem in the NBA is that his handle isn't quite good enough in the half-court, I don't see that being a problem with LaMelo.

The biggest difference between the 2 is that Melo is absolutely fearless and is the kind of guy who's going to get buckets in big moments because he has that desire. Yea, the shot selection is bad, and his form is terrible but those can be fixed. Melo, if you watch him, regardless of competition has a killer instinct and wants to be the guy taking those big shots. Lonzo passes up wide open shots because he's just not an alpha scorer which is fine but again limits his star upside.

People want LaMelo to fail because of his dad and it's obvious because every other post references something about him. Who cares about his idiot dad, the dude is supremely talented and has a bright NBA future ahead of him.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 07:32 AM
I agree with your point that lamelo is ok with taking the big shots where as lonzo isnt but at the same time taking a big shot in a high school game is a lot different than an nba game. lonzo was also said to be this amazingly gifted passer out of college and that simply proved to not be true. Also, i generally couldnt care less about his dad and i do not want him to fail. He has a lot going for him i just generally dont think that he is the player people expect him to be. At the prices hes going to start out at hes going to have to be a top talent to maintain those. I think hes a role player who might rack up some decent numbers but i dont see him being a top talent at all. From just a basketball perspective if i were a hornets fan i would be very disappointed in this pick. Thank you for the great discussion though!

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 07:39 AM
I agree with your point that lamelo is ok with taking the big shots where as lonzo isnt but at the same time taking a big shot in a high school game is a lot different than an nba game. lonzo was also said to be this amazingly gifted passer out of college and that simply proved to not be true. Also, i generally couldnt care less about his dad and i do not want him to fail. He has a lot going for him i just generally dont think that he is the player people expect him to be. At the prices hes going to start out at hes going to have to be a top talent to maintain those. I think hes a role player who might rack up some decent numbers but i dont see him being a top talent at all. From just a basketball perspective if i were a hornets fan i would be very disappointed in this pick. Thank you for the great discussion though!

Lonzo is a fantastic passer / playmaker. He's one of the best passers in the NBA. Just because he's not putting up 20-10 every night doesn't mean he's not a really really good NBA player.

Who would you have wanted the Hornets to pick? LaMelo is truly a low floor, high ceiling guy obviously picking him was a risk and in 3 years we could be saying wow can't believe teams took Edwards and Wiseman over him.

Charlotte desperately needs guys who're going to create hype for the team and LaMelo is going to do just that. Big personality with the skill to back it up is EXACTLY what the Hornets needed.

GeechQuest
12-01-2020, 07:58 AM
You can’t teach size.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:00 AM
lonzo averaged 7 or so assists last year in 30 plus mins. thats solid but i would hardly call him a fantastic playmaker. i would have taken pretty much anybody from the 4-12 spot over ball except maybe deni. as far as the hornets needing someone to create hype, i would rather take the best player available than someone whos going to create hype and lamelo wasn't the best player available in the slightest imo.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:00 AM
You can’t teach size.

agreed. but at the same time size doesn't make you an elite player by itself.

GeechQuest
12-01-2020, 08:04 AM
agreed. but at the same time size doesn't make you an elite player by itself.

Right. But it’s not like Lamelo is just a trash basketball player and because of his size he’ll naturally be able to do “things” others struggle at.

If he puts in the work (I don’t think he will) he has natural gifts that will make him better than 80% of the league.

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 08:05 AM
lonzo averaged 7 or so assists last year in 30 plus mins. thats solid but i would hardly call him a fantastic playmaker. i would have taken pretty much anybody from the 4-12 spot over ball except maybe deni. as far as the hornets needing someone to create hype, i would rather take the best player available than someone whos going to create hype and lamelo wasn't the best player available in the slightest imo.

You think anyone from 4-12 was a better player than LaMelo?

Only 8am and time for me to log off :cry:

I guess you're entitled to your opinion....

BTW raw per game stats are like the worst possible way to evaluate whether or not a player is actually good at something. Here are Lonzo's playmaking grades from last season compared to the entire NBA.

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Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:07 AM
Right. But it’s not like Lamelo is just a trash basketball player and because of his size he’ll naturally be able to do “things” others struggle at.

If he puts in the work (I don’t think he will) he has natural gifts that will make him better than 80% of the league.

i agree that hes not a trash basketball player. that has never been something i said. but i do not think he has the capabilities to be better than 80 percent if the league even if he does put the work in.

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 08:09 AM
I don't even like LaMelo and agree with Geech that his attitude is probably going to hold him back from reaching his potential but he has natural qualities that most NBA players don't.

The only other player that I think would have been a good pick for the Hornets was Killian Hayes who I think is going to be an incredible NBA player.

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 08:10 AM
i agree that hes not a trash basketball player. that has never been something i said. but i do not think he has the capabilities to be better than 80 percent if the league even if he does put the work in.

You think more than 20% of the guys in the NBA are 6'7 with an elite handle and passing ability?

Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:19 AM
You think more than 20% of the guys in the NBA are 6'7 with an elite handle and passing ability?

i think being 6'7 is not a valid indicator of wether hes better than 20 percent of the nba and i do not believe he has the handling and passing ability that you think he does.

also i think per game stats are a very valid argument as long as you factor in playing time and their usage rate.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:20 AM
I don't even like LaMelo and agree with Geech that his attitude is probably going to hold him back from reaching his potential but he has natural qualities that most NBA players don't.

The only other player that I think would have been a good pick for the Hornets was Killian Hayes who I think is going to be an incredible NBA player.

if i had to name one guy i think would be way way better it would definitely be hayes.

indyguy
12-01-2020, 08:25 AM
if i had to name one guy i think would be way way better it would definitely be hayes.

I need a listing of your "better" break downs for the guys from the 4-12 slots.

4. Patrick Williams
5. Isaac Okoro
6. Onyeka Okongwu
7. Killian Hayes - way way better
8. Obi Toppin
9. Deni Avdija
10. Jalen Smith
11. Devin Vassell
12. Tyrese Haliburton

Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:28 AM
I need a listing of your "better" break downs for the guys from the 4-12 slots.

4. Patrick Williams
5. Isaac Okoro
6. Onyeka Okongwu
7. Killian Hayes - way way better
8. Obi Toppin
9. Deni Avdija
10. Jalen Smith
11. Devin Vassell
12. Tyrese Haliburton

its relatively simple. all these guys have proven them self on some level greater level than high school basketball, a low level overseas league and a league created by their dad. i think hayes would have been a good fit cause they clearly needed a guard and i think hes much more talented than lamelo. i will take 7 points per game in a top overseas league over running up stats in high school any day of the week

GeechQuest
12-01-2020, 08:29 AM
i think being 6'7 is not a valid indicator of wether hes better than 20 percent of the nba and i do not believe he has the handling and passing ability that you think he does.

also i think per game stats are a very valid argument as long as you factor in playing time and their usage rate.

It’s not a guarantee, but his height allows him to do things on the court others just aren’t physically capable of.

If Trae was 6’7” we’d be talking about him as an MVP favorite right now. His height hinders him in different facets of the game.

Lamelo doesn’t even need to perform at a Trae level to be a more complete player.

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 08:31 AM
i think being 6'7 is not a valid indicator of wether hes better than 20 percent of the nba and i do not believe he has the handling and passing ability that you think he does.

also i think per game stats are a very valid argument as long as you factor in playing time and their usage rate.

You don't have to believe me. You should believe the hundreds of professional scouts and talent evaluators who have been saying this about LaMelo for the last year, though.

If you don't want to trust the entire industry of NBA scouts that's a you problem

Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:35 AM
It’s not a guarantee, but his height allows him to do things on the court others just aren’t physically capable of.

If Trae was 6’7” we’d be talking about him as an MVP favorite right now. His height hinders him in different facets of the game.

Lamelo doesn’t even need to perform at a Trae level to be a more complete player.

hes the average height for an nba player. 6'8 is of course tall for a guard but it just doesnt make enough of a difference to make him an elite player with the skills he has which i dont believe are very impressive for a number 3 overall draft pick.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:36 AM
You don't have to believe me. You should believe the hundreds of professional scouts and talent evaluators who have been saying this about LaMelo for the last year, though.

If you don't want to trust the entire industry of NBA scouts that's a you problem

scouts and evaluators are wrong all the time. i generally trust the scouts but i think they missed on this one.

PittsburghCards
12-01-2020, 08:40 AM
Weren’t there a ton of people last year saying Zion’s game wouldn’t translate to the NBA....

indyguy
12-01-2020, 08:41 AM
its relatively simple. all these guys have proven them self on some level greater level than high school basketball, a low level overseas league and a league created by their dad. i think hayes would have been a good fit cause they clearly needed a guard and i think hes much more talented than lamelo. i will take 7 points per game in a top overseas league over running up stats in high school any day of the week

You make this claim, but it is obvious that the teams don't feel they did prove themselves or they would have been the top picks.

I'm as big a homer for Obi Toppin as there is on this board, but I wouldn't take him over Lamelo.

The only three I'd look at over Lamelo are Hayes, Deni (and I'm not sold on him) and Haliburton, but he's coming back from injury, so you really don't know what you have with him.

Patrick Williams, Okoro, and Jalen Smith? Hard pass.

Vassell...maybe, if he can bring his shooting to the next level.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:42 AM
Weren’t there a ton of people last year saying Zion’s game wouldn’t translate to the NBA....

probably. i wasnt one of them though. zion played at duke and was crazy good. lamelo racked up stats in high school. big difference.

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 08:42 AM
Weren’t there a ton of people last year saying Zion’s game wouldn’t translate to the NBA....

no... He was the consensus #1 pick by literally everyone. There was no question about Zions talent. There were questions about his shooting (which proved to be true) but outside of that nobody was question whether he would be a good NBA player or not

Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:44 AM
You make this claim, but it is obvious that the teams don't feel they did prove themselves or they would have been the top picks.

I'm as big a homer for Obi Toppin as there is on this board, but I wouldn't take him over Lamelo.

The only three I'd look at over Lamelo are Hayes, Deni (and I'm not sold on him) and Haliburton, but he's coming back from injury, so you really don't know what you have with him.

Patrick Williams, Okoro, and Jalen Smith? Hard pass.

Vassell...maybe, if he can bring his shooting to the next level.


being a top 12 pick means you have proved yourself somewhere in most scenarios. i will take a guy who showed up at a higher level than high school over a guy whos built on his hype from his high school performances. everybody in the top 12 but lamelo have played in college or at some other elite level.

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 08:44 AM
You make this claim, but it is obvious that the teams don't feel they did prove themselves or they would have been the top picks.

I'm as big a homer for Obi Toppin as there is on this board, but I wouldn't take him over Lamelo.

The only three I'd look at over Lamelo are Hayes, Deni (and I'm not sold on him) and Haliburton, but he's coming back from injury, so you really don't know what you have with him.

Patrick Williams, Okoro, and Jalen Smith? Hard pass.

Vassell...maybe, if he can bring his shooting to the next level.

Yea, if you compare ceilings the only guys that could possibly touch LaMelo (if he can maximize his talents) are Hayes and Haliburton imo.

I like Deni and think he's going to be a really good NBA player but he's a jack of all trades type of guy. I think a great comparison for him is Batum.

indyguy
12-01-2020, 08:44 AM
Weren’t there a ton of people last year saying Zion’s game wouldn’t translate to the NBA....

Maybe people that were saying he was too heavy, but I don't recall anyone saying he wouldn't be able to translate to the NBA.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:46 AM
Maybe people that were saying he was too heavy, but I don't recall anyone saying he wouldn't be able to translate to the NBA.

i believe this was the argument that some made

GeechQuest
12-01-2020, 08:46 AM
hes the average height for an nba player. 6'8 is of course tall for a guard but it just doesnt make enough of a difference to make him an elite player with the skills he has which i dont believe are very impressive for a number 3 overall draft pick.

At this juncture you’re probably right.

But with years and years of repetition developing his ceiling is higher than most at the position. You can’t project out work ethic of any of these guys. If Lamelo wants to put in the work he’s going to a great NBA player because he will be able to do basketball things that guys like Trae, Dame, and the like never have the opportunity to do because of their size limitations.

Look how limited Ben Simmons skills are and then compare Simmons to the rest of the league. His sheer size allows him to do things the majority of guards can’t physically do.

I would have taken Lamelo #1, so I may be biased. Solely based on his potential ceiling.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:49 AM
At this juncture you’re probably right.

But with years and years of repetition developing his ceiling his higher than most at the position. You can’t project out work ethic of any of these guys. If Lamelo wants to put in the work he’s going to a great NBA player because he will be able to do basketball things that guys like Trae, Dame, and the like never have the opportunity to do because of their size limitations.

Look how limited Ben Simmons skills are and then compare Simmons to the rest of the league. His sheer size allows him to do things the majority of guards can’t physically do.

I would have taken Lamelo #1, so I may be biased. Solely based on his potential ceiling.

so you would be ok waiting for a guy that you just said could take years and years to develop his ceiling. I dont see lamelo doing things that dame or trae are doing anytime soon no matter his size. im all for picking someone whit big upside but i think realistically lamelos ceiling is an average starter at best. not a super star.

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 08:51 AM
so you would be ok waiting for a guy that you just said could take years and years to develop his ceiling. I dont see lamelo doing things that dame or trae are doing anytime soon no matter his size.

Yes, especially as a small market team that's never going to be able to get a premier FA. You either draft a guy and develop him into a star or suck forever, just the way of the NBA.

indyguy
12-01-2020, 08:51 AM
With Lamelo, we will get to see what Shaun Livingston could have been...if Lamelo works.

If not, we will see what Shaun Livingston ended up as...not a knock on Shaun Livingston, but he never got to where he could have had he not been injured.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:54 AM
Yes, especially as a small market team that's never going to be able to get a premier FA. You either draft a guy and develop him into a star or suck forever, just the way of the NBA.

at the number three pick or number one pick for that matter i want a guy that can contribute seriously within a year or two or has the potential too.

indyguy
12-01-2020, 08:56 AM
at the number three pick or number one pick for that matter i want a guy that can contribute seriously within a year or two or has the potential too.

He will have the ball enough for them to find that out.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 08:56 AM
He will have the ball enough for them to find that out.

true,

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 08:58 AM
at the number three pick or number one pick for that matter i want a guy that can contribute seriously within a year or two or has the potential too.

Charlotte doesn't have the roster to compete in a year or 2.

Now if you were talking about the Warriors, I agree. They took probably the safest pick with a bit of future upside.

GeechQuest
12-01-2020, 09:00 AM
so you would be ok waiting for a guy that you just said could take years and years to develop his ceiling. I dont see lamelo doing things that dame or trae are doing anytime soon no matter his size. im all for picking someone whit big upside but i think realistically lamelos ceiling is an average starter at best. not a super star.

No team shoots the moon immediately with these picks anyway. They take a little bit of time to round out to NBA players.

Lamelo walking into the league is already a better passer/rebounder (thanks to his size) than most NBA point guards. His length will allow him to disrupt passing lanes, which is more than most NBA point guards. He's got so many positives that most point guards don't.

He's a higher upside version of his brother, who is a pretty decent NBA player.

Chris P
12-01-2020, 09:09 AM
One day we will find a player that k13 doesn’t hate. Don’t know how long it’s going to take but one day his grinchy heart will find something that is remotely positive

Steve Young! He said something positive about him in the football thread! Miracles DO happen!

yiguiri2002
12-01-2020, 10:54 AM
It always baffles me when people criticize players and they literally choose their biggest attributes to do so.

yiguiri2002
12-01-2020, 10:54 AM
Steve Young! He said something positive about him in the football thread! Miracles DO happen!

I think he's said good things about Lewandowski multiple times

Dame
12-01-2020, 11:01 AM
LaMelo is like Lonzo with a more natural shooters touch and extreme confidence.


I like what I see and I think he’ll be an All Star for sure.

Glebe
12-01-2020, 11:13 AM
LaMelo is like Lonzo with a more natural shooters touch and extreme confidence.


I like what I see and I think he’ll be an All Star for sure.

I don't see their games to be comparable at all really. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see Lonzo as an asset to a winning ball club (no pun intended), who is always willing to make the extra pass, has extremely high court IQ and occasionally make a shot. I see Melo as obviously a rough and raw prospect, shoot first, create his own offense and lead his team. I could be wrong but that's just my arm chair analysis.

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 11:22 AM
I don't see their games to be comparable at all really. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see Lonzo as an asset to a winning ball club (no pun intended), who is always willing to make the extra pass, has extremely high court IQ and occasionally make a shot. I see Melo as obviously a rough and raw prospect, shoot first, create his own offense and lead his team. I could be wrong but that's just my arm chair analysis.

I agree with this. I really don't think their games are very similar at all

cboog3105
12-01-2020, 02:20 PM
i hope this thread becomes the perma melo thread just for the title alone

ljandkg
12-01-2020, 02:24 PM
lonzo is listed at 6'6 and lamelo is listed at 6'8. Not that big of a difference. I would also say that lonzo was promoted as having good ball handling out of college just like lamelo is. We also havent seen lamelo play the type of competition that lonzo or many other guys have and yes there has been exceptions to that rule. However hes played overseas in two not so great leagues and he has played high school (where i will admit he was impressive) and then in a league created by his dad. all say it again. buy what makes u happy but dont expect to cash in on this guy.

For what it's worth, the Aussie NBL is a pretty good league, probably 3rd or 4th best in the world. It's very defence oriented. Lamelo had a stretch there where he was very good - consecutive TD's. I'm a Lavar/Ball franchise hater right from the get go and wanted Lamelo to fail miserably. He didn't.

I think the 16/6/6 isn' far off the mark, maybe 12/5/5 first year.
I do think he'll be better than Lonzo as his shooting stroke isn't hideous - just bad.

ninjacookies
12-01-2020, 02:27 PM
He and Zo are both natural playmakers. That, along with their god-awful, quirky release...are their only common ties. Gelo is the odd man out in that DNA set in terms of distribution skills.

Zo is a far superior defender. Melo is a far superior slash and dasher. Well, at least in terms of what we've seen against subpar euro and aussie bois. Both most likely will never be good, consistent outside shooters. But will always bring value because of their ability to dictate an offense.

Dame
12-01-2020, 02:53 PM
I don't see their games to be comparable at all really. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see Lonzo as an asset to a winning ball club (no pun intended), who is always willing to make the extra pass, has extremely high court IQ and occasionally make a shot. I see Melo as obviously a rough and raw prospect, shoot first, create his own offense and lead his team. I could be wrong but that's just my arm chair analysis.

Yeah, sorry that was a lazy analysis on my part.

What I was trying to say is both are tall guards and lead initiators/natural facilitators.


Things starts to drastically shift in LaMelo's corner because he tends to hunt opportunities for himself to score. I mentioned confidence because one of Lonzo's biggest weakness- something LaMelo doesn't seem to lack.


Can't comment on defense yet, Lonzo was able to play free safety throughout his career while LaMelo carried a heavier workload on offense when he played in Australia, so he wasn't really putting any effort defensively, like most high usage guards.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 03:18 PM
He and Zo are both natural playmakers. That, along with their god-awful, quirky release...are their only common ties. Gelo is the odd man out in that DNA set in terms of distribution skills.

Zo is a far superior defender. Melo is a far superior slash and dasher. Well, at least in terms of what we've seen against subpar euro and aussie bois. Both most likely will never be good, consistent outside shooters. But will always bring value because of their ability to dictate an offense.

i can agree with most of this. i think he might be a average starter at his ceiling as i previously stated which technically brings value to a team but i dont see him being a superstar that some people believe he will be and i certainly dont see his card prices staying up like they are now with the current cards available.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 03:23 PM
For what it's worth, the Aussie NBL is a pretty good league, probably 3rd or 4th best in the world. It's very defence oriented. Lamelo had a stretch there where he was very good - consecutive TD's. I'm a Lavar/Ball franchise hater right from the get go and wanted Lamelo to fail miserably. He didn't.

I think the 16/6/6 isn' far off the mark, maybe 12/5/5 first year.
I do think he'll be better than Lonzo as his shooting stroke isn't hideous - just bad.

he played like ten games in that league and shot a terrible shooting percentage. somebody made the claim that hes willing to take the big shot but that argument is kinda void when he cant shoot.

Dame
12-01-2020, 03:25 PM
I think Melo's game will keep his RC's high throughout his rookie season, probably the most valued in this draft.

He's going to be showcased and will have more room to make mistakes in CHA. He also has the most aesthetically pleasing game to watch.

indyguy
12-01-2020, 03:38 PM
he played like ten games in that league and shot a terrible shooting percentage. somebody made the claim that hes willing to take the big shot but that argument is kinda void when he cant shoot.

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

-Wayne Gretzky

-Michael Scott

GeechQuest
12-01-2020, 03:51 PM
i can agree with most of this. i think he might be a average starter at his ceiling as i previously stated which technically brings value to a team but i dont see him being a superstar that some people believe he will be and i certainly dont see his card prices staying up like they are now with the current cards available.

Hobby Good does not equal basketball good.

Trae is the second coming of Boston IT4. You wouldn't know this looking at his bass kards.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 04:22 PM
Hobby Good does not equal basketball good.

Trae is the second coming of Boston IT4. You wouldn't know this looking at his bass kards.

i agree. but i dont think he will be hobby good and i think he will basketball average.

Skeely
12-01-2020, 04:26 PM
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

-Wayne Gretzky

-Michael Scott

life is short. drive fast and leave a sexy corpse. thats my motto.

ninjacookies
12-01-2020, 05:16 PM
i can agree with most of this. i think he might be a average starter at his ceiling as i previously stated which technically brings value to a team but i dont see him being a superstar that some people believe he will be and i certainly dont see his card prices staying up like they are now with the current cards available.

Odds of him being a superstar: slim to Nunn.


He also has the most aesthetically pleasing game to watch.

This will be paramount. Assuming he remains flashy, it should help buoy his prices his rookie year. God knows Cha is in dire need of something remotely exciting now that Monk's locked in a Tyrone Biggums halfway house.

HODLing into his sophomore year should be considered financial waterboarding.

Dame
12-01-2020, 05:23 PM
God knows Cha is in dire need of something remotely exciting now that Monk's locked in a Tyrone Biggums halfway house.

HODLing into his sophomore year should be considered financial waterboarding.


:cry::cry::cry:

GeechQuest
12-01-2020, 05:30 PM
HODLing into his sophomore year should be considered financial waterboarding.

You just wait.

Dude has the the Lithuanian market on lock. Euro looking great against the Dollar. Lamelo becomes a long term FOREX play.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SpryColorfulBunting-max-1mb.gif

shaner1
12-01-2020, 05:33 PM
The younger brother is always the better brother

;)

ninjacookies
12-01-2020, 05:37 PM
You just wait.

Dude has the the Lithuanian market on lock. Euro looking great against the Dollar. Lamelo becomes a long term FOREX play.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SpryColorfulBunting-max-1mb.gif

Dumped Cardi B for Goga B. Converted my laris and fomod into Melo B 15 minutes later.


George Soros won't let a flippa live.

shootit
12-01-2020, 06:54 PM
For what it's worth, the Aussie NBL is a pretty good league, probably 3rd or 4th best in the world. It's very defence oriented. Lamelo had a stretch there where he was very good - consecutive TD's. I'm a Lavar/Ball franchise hater right from the get go and wanted Lamelo to fail miserably. He didn't.

I think the 16/6/6 isn' far off the mark, maybe 12/5/5 first year.
I do think he'll be better than Lonzo as his shooting stroke isn't hideous - just bad.

NBL is not top 5 n probably not even top 10 if there was a power ranking of basketball leagues around the world lol

jcardstore
12-01-2020, 09:34 PM
NBL is not top 5 n probably not even top 10 if there was a power ranking of basketball leagues around the world lol

It is 100% a top 10 league in the world. Top 5? Maybe not but still a very competitive league

shootit
12-02-2020, 07:02 PM
It is 100% a top 10 league in the world. Top 5? Maybe not but still a very competitive league

if its top 10 then its #8-10.. theres 9 teams in the whole league lol

asujbl
12-02-2020, 07:04 PM
I’m a 40 year old man that couldn’t give 2 craps about the Ball family

LaMelo can play

Don’t get it twisted

If his name was LaMelo Jones he would have gone #1

asujbl
12-02-2020, 07:05 PM
life is short. drive fast and leave a sexy corpse. thats my motto.

Did I say Messina?