Why you need to be careful buying raw!

[GoNYGoNYGo]

Hey guys my friend just sent me a video thats making the rounds on tiktok about how to make easy money in cards. Basically the same people who were buying up all the retail and flipping it are moving on to buying cards in really low psa grades likes 5's or 6's and cracking them and selling them at the raw price.

Just wanted to post as I feel like as this makes the rounds we will start to see more and more instances of people trying this and more damaged raw cards will hit the market. So just a reminder to be extra dilligent out there when buying anything raw.

Edit - obviously I know this has happened in the past I just think as more people try and make money in this hobby by flipping this will become more common than it used to be.

[TSonn]

Hey guys my friend just sent me a video thats making the rounds on tiktok about how to make easy money in cards. Basically the same people who were buying up all the retail and flipping it are moving on to buying cards in really low psa grades likes 5's or 6's and cracking them and selling them at the raw price.

Just wanted to post as I feel like as this makes the rounds we will start to see more and more instances of people trying this and more damaged raw cards will hit the market. So just a reminder to be extra dilligent out there when buying anything raw.

Edit - obviously I know this has happened in the past I just think as more people try and make money in this hobby by flipping this will become more common than it used to be.

Any ebay IDs?

[RandysHobby]

I no longer buy raw because everyone and their sisters grade.

[GoNYGoNYGo]

Any ebay IDs?

Haven't been able to figure that out yet but I'm trying.

[GeechQuest]

I no longer buy raw because everyone and their sisters grade.

I don’t have a sister :(

[GoNYGoNYGo]

I no longer buy raw because everyone and their sisters grade.

There are definitely raw options out there you just need to look closely at scans and I wouldn't buy anything raw from consignment personally.

Recently I have bought cards in the BST here and on eBay that gemmed so it is possible at least :).

[ronaldkosh]

This sounds like it will backfire...

1. Modern cards rarely grade that low. If they do, there will often be obvious flaws when selling raw.
2. If you're new to cards, it's a pain in the ass to crack those cases without damaging the card!

[TSonn]

I suppose this could be a situation when a buyer requests a return when the card is listed as "Like New" as the condition or has "GEM PSA 10!?!?!?!" in the title.

Ebay defines "like new" as:
"The item looks as if it were just taken out of shrink wrap. It has no visible wear, and all facets of the item are flawless and intact. See the seller's listing for full details and a description of any imperfections."

As a seller, I've started to only list my high dollar cards as "like new" if I truly cannot see any issues or if it's graded. Otherwise I mark the condition as "used". I haven't been burned yet but it just seems like such an easy loophole.

[GoNYGoNYGo]

This sounds like it will backfire...

1. Modern cards rarely grade that low. If they do, there will often be obvious flaws when selling raw.
2. If you're new to cards, it's a pain in the ass to crack those cases without damaging the card!

This is a valid point. I pray that it backfires on them - I just worry that they will sell to someone who's new to the hobby and doesn't know better.

[k13]

Can't be that many modern 5s and 6s

[Ober12]

I suppose this could be a situation when a buyer requests a return when the card is listed as "Like New" as the condition or has "GEM PSA 10!?!?!?!" in the title.

Ebay defines "like new" as:
"The item looks as if it were just taken out of shrink wrap. It has no visible wear, and all facets of the item are flawless and intact. See the seller's listing for full details and a description of any imperfections."

As a seller, I've started to only list my high dollar cards as "like new" if I truly cannot see any issues or if it's graded. Otherwise I mark the condition as "used". I haven't been burned yet but it just seems like such an easy loophole.

I just list everything as Very Good and provide good images of the card (and if there's any big damage I'd disclose it). Maybe they gem, maybe they don't, I'm not a grader and wouldn't want to be judged as such. Lots of sellers listing cards as Brand New or Like New when they shouldn't, to me that could be enough to warrant a return

[messier2]

So, they are busting PSA 5 and 6's of modern cards. For example:

Luka Holo PSA 5 (don't even know one exists), busts it, now it's raw with a nice ding or crease somewhere. Sells it raw on ebay and the buyer files a claim of damage not disclosed...they are forced to take the card back and refund the buyer....so, what's to gain here?!

[GoNYGoNYGo]

So, they are busting PSA 5 and 6's of modern cards. For example:

Luka Holo PSA 5 (don't even know one exists), busts it, now it's raw with a nice ding or crease somewhere. Sells it raw on ebay and the buyer files a claim of damage not disclosed...they are forced to take the card back and refund the buyer....so, what's to gain here?!

Obviously there are flaws and its not a perfect scam - none are - but for example they might buy this Juan Soto Soto Update 6 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Topps-Update-JUAN-SOTO-RC-ROOKIE-NATIONALS-US300-PSA-6/224253465015?hash=item34368c51b7:g:UfAAAOSw-JRfwVtn) and someone who isn't super into grading may not realize how much a wrinkle impacts a cards value.

[messier2]

Obviously there are flaws and its not a perfect scam - none are - but for example they might buy this Juan Soto Soto Update 6 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Topps-Update-JUAN-SOTO-RC-ROOKIE-NATIONALS-US300-PSA-6/224253465015?hash=item34368c51b7:g:UfAAAOSw-JRfwVtn) and someone who isn't super into grading may not realize how much a wrinkle impacts a cards value.

Sure, but don't people look at the card when they receive them. Not looking for grading purposes, just looking to make sure it's in decent shape (at least that's what I do)?

[GoNYGoNYGo]

Sure, but don't people look at the card when they receive them. Not looking for grading purposes, just looking to make sure it's in decent shape (at least that's what I do)?

Oh I do too! I've also seen some people here even post that they receive cards and just throw them in a box or something so I just wanted the community to be aware that it is happening.

[DajuanWagner]

So, they are busting PSA 5 and 6's of modern cards. For example:

Luka Holo PSA 5 (don't even know one exists), busts it, now it's raw with a nice ding or crease somewhere. Sells it raw on ebay and the buyer files a claim of damage not disclosed...they are forced to take the card back and refund the buyer....so, what's to gain here?!



I know of 2 Luka Optic Holo PSA 6's (that should have been 10's)..........

[messier2]

I know of 2 Luka Optic Holo PSA 6's (that should have been 10's)..........

Everything should be a 10! lol

Could be a label error or you just didn't see something they saw.

[shrevecity]

Any ebay IDs?

The ones selling this stuff could be as much a victim as everyone else raw cards are more difficult to trace.

[DajuanWagner]

Everything should be a 10! lol

Could be a label error or you just didn't see something they saw.




OOOOR, the grader was drunk........

[shrevecity]

I just list everything as Very Good and provide good images of the card (and if there's any big damage I'd disclose it). Maybe they gem, maybe they don't, I'm not a grader and wouldn't want to be judged as such. Lots of sellers listing cards as Brand New or Like New when they shouldn't, to me that could be enough to warrant a return

YOu don't even have to use those condition modifiers if you are not using the app to list. They only seem to kick back as required when you use the APP.

[sebreg]

Thanks for the warning. I presume I'm buying a lower grade card when I buy raw. At this point, gem rate for raw is prob lower b/c everyone has been mining raw cards this last year+. I tend to sell raw, like Ober12 usually just list condition as very good (if the card warrants) and then try to list any noticeable flaws. I'd rather have full transparency with the buyer, that way they aren't surprised by the card condition when they receive it.

[dunkindutchmen]

Hey guys my friend just sent me a video thats making the rounds on tiktok about how to make easy money in cards. Basically the same people who were buying up all the retail and flipping it are moving on to buying cards in really low psa grades likes 5's or 6's and cracking them and selling them at the raw price.

Just wanted to post as I feel like as this makes the rounds we will start to see more and more instances of people trying this and more damaged raw cards will hit the market. So just a reminder to be extra dilligent out there when buying anything raw.

Edit - obviously I know this has happened in the past I just think as more people try and make money in this hobby by flipping this will become more common than it used to be.

Lmao. I think the flipperbois need a new plan. I heard Taco Bell throws out their stale cinnamon twists. Maybe they could flip those.

[messier2]

Look, this is my philosophy when buying raw cards on ebay. If it's a popular card/player and the card is raw...99% sure there is a "problem" with that card. I avoid it.

Don't buy raw Luka RC's for example...they're raw for a reason! If you don't care about that, by all means. But if you do, stay away!

[GoNYGoNYGo]

Look, this is my philosophy when buying raw cards on ebay. If it's a popular card/player and the card is raw...99% sure there is a "problem" with that card. I avoid it.

Don't buy raw Luka RC's for example...they're raw for a reason! If you don't care about that, by all means. But if you do, stay away!

When I buy raw I assume an 8 if nothing is disclosed not lower than that and if its higher than great.

I bought all three of these raw two on eBay within the past 3/4 months and the Trae on these boards about 3/4 months ago. Granted I got EXTREMELY lucky obviously but it is possible.

https://photos.smugmug.com/High-End/i-KV8qxHh/0/98bdfb72/X2/Untitled%20%282%29-X2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/High-End/i-3BBw69J/0/228956ae/X2/Untitled%20%283%29-X2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Luka-Doncic/i-LLTj6Tm/0/d8ccbf9b/X2/Untitled%20%284%29-X2.jpg

[Promethius88]

Due to the ridiculous turn around time, I basically sell raw on Ebay. I know some of the cards have been subbed and came back Gem as a few buyers have been nice enough to contact me and let me know. At this point I won't sub a card that is worth less than $500 even if I think it is going to gem. Just not work the wait time anymore. So you can't just assume all raw on Ebay is garbage. I know I'm not the only one.

[messier2]

Of course, luck factors in as well. But, the odds are not in your favor, in general for top cards/players.

[Meets1]

So how do you all prospect for potential gems, short of just ripping wax?

[sethc1020]

There are definitely raw options out there you just need to look closely at scans and I wouldn't buy anything raw from consignment personally.

Recently I have bought cards in the BST here and on eBay that gemmed so it is possible at least :).

Definitely avoid raw through consignments if possible. People will send their higher end damaged raw cards to them so they don't have to worry about the returns. A while back I bought a raw MPJ Optic Red RC from Probstein. I threw a last second bid on it and didn't realize who the seller was. When it arrived there was a HUGE crease running down the center of the card front and back. Had to go through the hassle of sending it back and getting a refund. Not all are damaged but be very careful buying raw from any consignment sellers.

[GoNYGoNYGo]

So how do you all prospect for potential gems, short of just ripping wax?

I would say just be careful as others have said in here some people don't grade and just sell raw under a certain value. Keys for me when buying raw on eBay is scans of front and back, scans not blurry, and look at the sellers other items. If they have a ton of low end Luka chronicles cards in 9's and 10's but they are selling the base optic or prizm raw - ask yourself why?

There are definitely options out there you just have to do your due dilligence and double check the scans and sellers history.

[Meets1]

I would say just be careful as others have said in here some people don't grade and just sell raw under a certain value. Keys for me when buying raw on eBay is scans of front and back, scans not blurry, and look at the sellers other items. If they have a ton of low end Luka chronicles cards in 9's and 10's but they are selling the base optic or prizm raw - ask yourself why?

There are definitely options out there you just have to do your due dilligence and double check the scans and sellers history.

Makes sense- the thing I struggle with regarding scans- from those you can tell centering/corners/(mostly) edges, but can hardly get any idea on surface imperfections which seems like would be a big blind spot when deciding whether or not to purchase.

[cboog3105]

raw dawgin it all day everyday

no risk no reward

[DajuanWagner]

Lmao. I think the flipperbois need a new plan. I heard Taco Bell throws out their stale cinnamon twists. Maybe they could flip those.



This is not true. My local Taco Bell ONLY sells stale cinnamon twists........

[Siberian13]

Adopt a sister

[Ericc5Bears]

Eh, this seems incredibly overblown to me. First off, there already aren't many modern 5-7's in the first place. Second, when people do list those low-grade cards it's rare that they even list them for that much lower than raws. I just searched "Doncic Donruss PSA 7" and most of these sales are around the $60-$70 mark when the card typically does about $80-$100 raw, so you probably wouldn't even profit after ebay fees and tax. And finally, as others have pointed out, for a modern card to grade under an 8 it would need to have an obvious flaw which means there's a good chance you get returned on. I'll admit that I've cracked some poorly centered 8s and made 20 or 30 bucks here and there but there's just plain and simple no way someone could make consistent worthwhile profit doing this.

[DajuanWagner]

Eh, this seems incredibly overblown to me. First off, there already aren't many modern 5-7's in the first place. Second, when people do list those low-grade cards it's rare that they even list them for that much lower than raws. I just searched "Doncic Donruss PSA 7" and most of these sales are around the $60-$70 mark when the card typically does about $80-$100 raw, so you probably wouldn't even profit after ebay fees and tax. And finally, as others have pointed out, for a modern card to grade under an 8 it would need to have an obvious flaw which means there's a good chance you get returned on. I'll admit that I've cracked some poorly centered 8s and made 20 or 30 bucks here and there but there's just plain and simple no way someone could make consistent worthwhile profit doing this.



What does that mean? A friend of mine graded 2 Doncic Optic Holo rookie cards that both came back as 6's. Are you saying that modern cards should not be 5-7's???? That modern cards should be 9's and 10's straight out of the pack???

[psd2k10]

Due to the ridiculous turn around time, I basically sell raw on Ebay. I know some of the cards have been subbed and came back Gem as a few buyers have been nice enough to contact me and let me know. At this point I won't sub a card that is worth less than $500 even if I think it is going to gem. Just not work the wait time anymore. So you can't just assume all raw on Ebay is garbage. I know I'm not the only one.

I second this. I think it's best if people like the OP do stay away from raw because they are the ones that will return anything that doesn't look like it will 'Gem'. Let others who like to take risks reap the rewards.

I actually don't grade personally. I buy a lot of retail because I like to open. Any duplicates or anything I don't want, I sell raw. I actually have a lot of repeat customers because they know I sell raw cards I pull myself that are in great quality. We all know not all cards straight from the pack will Gem which is why I always make it a point to provide great quality photos of my cards. If you sell raw, do yourself a favor and don't ever take photos with cards still in top loaders. That automatically tells me you have something to hide.

[xTri]

What does that mean? A friend of mine graded 2 Doncic Optic Holo rookie cards that both came back as 6's. Are you saying that modern cards should not be 5-7's???? That modern cards should be 9's and 10's straight out of the pack???

Modern cards should be 9/10, maybe worst case an 8, out of a pack.
Either your friend missed something so obvious or the grader had a bad day. That luka card has a 95% chance of being a 9/10 based on the pop report.

[GoNYGoNYGo]

I second this. I think it's best if people like the OP do stay away from raw because they are the ones that will return anything that doesn't look like it will 'Gem'. Let others who like to take risks reap the rewards.

I actually don't grade personally. I buy a lot of retail because I like to open. Any duplicates or anything I don't want, I sell raw. I actually have a lot of repeat customers because they know I sell raw cards I pull myself that are in great quality. We all know not all cards straight from the pack will Gem which is why I always make it a point to provide great quality photos of my cards. If you sell raw, do yourself a favor and don't ever take photos with cards still in top loaders. That automatically tells me you have something to hide.

I literally said here that when I buy raw if there is no mention of any condition issues I assume its an 8. I don't assume that the person bought a 6 cracked it and is trying to pass it off as nm-mt. I buy lots of raw and just returned my first card ever last week because it had a significant crease that was hidden by the flash of the camera. I never assume anything is gem mint unless it is in a PSA 10 slab and even thats not a given :) - we have all seen instances of that.

[spurs50fan]

Anyone buying raw on EBay can easily spot the type of flaws that will get a 5 to I would even say 8

Appreciate the heads up but seems like a way to scare buyers into the overpriced arena of graded cards. Not accusing but that thing is trending hard right now

[Ericc5Bears]

What does that mean? A friend of mine graded 2 Doncic Optic Holo rookie cards that both came back as 6's. Are you saying that modern cards should not be 5-7's???? That modern cards should be 9's and 10's straight out of the pack???

I legitimately can't tell if this is sarcasm or not but I'm just going to assume it is.

[GoNYGoNYGo]

Anyone buying raw on EBay can easily spot the type of flaws that will get a 5 to I would even say 8

Appreciate the heads up but seems like a way to scare buyers into the overpriced arena of graded cards. Not accusing but that thing is trending hard right now

It could be that and hopefully thats all it is. The Soto I posted the link too early its very hard to tell that that would get a 6 from the scans. I also wasn't making this thread to say don't buy raw - it was just for informational purposes that take a second look and do your due dilligence when buying raw as word is starting to spread on more ways to scam people - or attempt to at least and even if you can return it its annoying have money from a large purchase tied up because someone tried to scam you.

[Yikes]

Never go raw...always strap up.

Unless you're looking to catch VD's.



Value Depreciation





Booyaah!

[spurs50fan]

It could be that and hopefully thats all it is. The Soto I posted the link too early its very hard to tell that that would get a 6 from the scans. I also wasn't making this thread to say don't buy raw - it was just for informational purposes that take a second look and do your due dilligence when buying raw as word is starting to spread on more ways to scam people - or attempt to at least and even if you can return it its annoying have money from a large purchase tied up because someone tried to scam you.

I really do appreciate informing the community. Unfortunately the scammers put us on edge so these help a lot

[DajuanWagner]

I legitimately can't tell if this is sarcasm or not but I'm just going to assume it is.



That is not sarcasm. A friend of mine graded 2 Luka Optic Holo's straight out of the pack and they came back as PSA 6's........true story. Nothing, at all, wrong with the cards..........

[jdahlstrom]

Just buy raw when a product comes out or buy graded .

[frankiecgsw]

Was going after a psa 7 curry absolute rookie auto thinking it would be cheap for the PC, but got out bid at the end. So went on about to continue looking for another one and see the same one popped back up the very next day. Dude legit cropped the photo and its still in the psa case but without the low grade... smh. Same jersey swatch and ball patch

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[tclausen]

I no longer buy raw because everyone and their sisters grade.

I personally do not grade and neither does my sister (but she doesn't collect :rolleyes:). I don't sell much, but I know some have gotten great looking raw cards from me in the past (Mint or Gem Mint) and I am fine with that. While it is always nice to make a buck it is not why I collect. Unfortunately card collecting is no longer a 'hobby' to many.

[1980bust]

If everyone stopped sending lots of 70 mid-tier base cards in for grading and creating such an insane backlog, then the cards you think have something wrong with them because they're sold raw might actually be able to be graded.

The turnaround time kills any spontaneous selling plans if you have to grade everything. But keep on grading a bunch of crappy $2 base cards, and keep on complaining that higher-end cards are being sold raw as if they're faulty.

[cardmole]

I actually don't grade personally. I buy a lot of retail because I like to open. Any duplicates or anything I don't want, I sell raw. I actually have a lot of repeat customers because they know I sell raw cards I pull myself that are in great quality. We all know not all cards straight from the pack will Gem which is why I always make it a point to provide great quality photos of my cards. If you sell raw, do yourself a favor and don't ever take photos with cards still in top loaders. That automatically tells me you have something to hide.

With you 100%

[CJsHockeyCards]

I know of 2 Luka Optic Holo PSA 6's (that should have been 10's)..........

Yep! Still baffles me.

[JoeAdam]

Here is a good example. Prior to this card I was 27/30 getting 10's with PSA with 3 9's. Then I got this random 5. The crease on the back is so faint that I completely missed it. Even knowing where it is, I struggle to find it sometimes.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50583319193_bd0f095a88_c.jpg

[The_Reverend]

I still buy raw, but scans are critical. I always assume the card will be 9 unless I am buying from someone that does not grade, they are still out there. I have gotten some head scratching grades but the one thing I will not do is break out a card and sell it raw! To me that is just wrong! I got sent in 4 Ja Morant Prizm and got 10, 9, 7 and 5. Yeap a 5. I sold it and was stunned at the closing price. There are collectors who look for these cards. Possible for what you described or for rarity. I have in my PV a Topps update rc of acuna and Soto both EX 5. No clue what I missed but they are unique to me.

[biggieruth]

I have mint and gem mint raw cards because I don't have the time to grade. I know this because I sold cards and people graded them and told me the grades.

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[biggieruth]

I know of 2 Luka Optic Holo PSA 6's (that should have been 10's)..........I will buy one

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[Giannis34fan]

I bought 3 Luka base Prizm RCs last December from a guy for 135 and ALL 3 came back PSA 10s! But I get what you are saying OP. Especially buying raw Luka RC lots from Probstein...they never inspect the cards...just post them...

[YayNJ]

Modern cards should be 9/10, maybe worst case an 8, out of a pack.

LOL :doh::D

[Arianny_Fan]

I'd rather have raw than nothing at all.

Also it's a proven fact that all women love it raw :D

[kevbojones]

Few easy tips

1) Buy raw when the product has been recently released, or not too long after

2) Avoid sellers who have a large mix of raw and graded (the raw cards probably didn't make their cut)

3) Buy raw if the card is "under the radar" or has a low pop report, or if the seller has no graded cards for sale.

4) If the seller takes the time to write a unique description, it might be worth a chance, if its not some super high profile card

[Pippenfan]

I bought 3 Luka base Prizm RCs last December from a guy for 135 and ALL 3 came back PSA 10s! But I get what you are saying OP. Especially buying raw Luka RC lots from Probstein...they never inspect the cards...just post them...

Just out of curiosity, mostly cause I think I sold those to you and pumped for your success, did you happen to ask seller about the condition?

Anyhow, I don’t grade cards or collect them (even for profit, which is dumb, but I just don’t believe in grading), but I try to be as honest with any card description/photo. There are other eBay folks like that too.

Also, listing photos make about 98% of everything apparent. The weird angles, poor lighting, blurred closeups are a dead giveaway. Take the photos, front and back, corners as well if need be, straight on with no weird angle, in a well lit room, and retake if it’s blurry—pretty obvious.

[Diver757]

Due to the ridiculous turn around time, I basically sell raw on Ebay. I know some of the cards have been subbed and came back Gem as a few buyers have been nice enough to contact me and let me know. At this point I won't sub a card that is worth less than $500 even if I think it is going to gem. Just not work the wait time anymore. So you can't just assume all raw on Ebay is garbage. I know I'm not the only one.

Don’t most people work on the assumption that when buying modern cards raw you are least buying a 7/8? Assuming no corner dings or surface problems?

[discodanman45]

Few easy tips

3) Buy raw if the card is "under the radar" or has a low pop report, or if the seller has no graded cards for sale.

I wouldn't trust this one. Many sellers have different eBay accounts. Obe for graded, one for raw, and even some have a separate account for PWE.

[DajuanWagner]

Here is a good example. Prior to this card I was 27/30 getting 10's with PSA with 3 9's. Then I got this random 5. The crease on the back is so faint that I completely missed it. Even knowing where it is, I struggle to find it sometimes.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50583319193_bd0f095a88_c.jpg



Hey, if you are ever submitting cards again, I am definitely subbing cards through you. 27/30 is mind blowing. I always get the wrong grader.....

[The Finest]

Obviously there are flaws and its not a perfect scam - none are - but for example they might buy this Juan Soto Soto Update 6 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Topps-Update-JUAN-SOTO-RC-ROOKIE-NATIONALS-US300-PSA-6/224253465015?hash=item34368c51b7:g:UfAAAOSw-JRfwVtn) and someone who isn't super into grading may not realize how much a wrinkle impacts a cards value.

I don't see how this is a scam at all.

[Jopeal]

I have a psa 4 that looks like it could be a 9.

Not sure how it relates to this thread but it's worth noting.

[bloodwings19]

I have more PSA 10, or BGS 9.5 from eBay raws that I buy than cards that I get from breakers.

[Sunsfan86]

I notice a lot of buyers message me and ask about flaws. Im honest and dont want returns so i disclose every thing thay could lower a grade like print lines or centering. I almost never hear back from them even if its the smallest of issues .

[Archangel1775]

Few easy tips

1) Buy raw when the product has been recently released, or not too long after



THIS is the most important. I'm still putting the set together but the first 200 refractors I bought soon after release were clean. But there was a point 2 months later where in the next 20.. 5 had to be returned due to refractor lines, staining or creasing. So I just ask the seller now for surface flaws. Even then, I still received one with a heavy refractor line thru the face of the player.

[GoNYGoNYGo]

Opened Facebook this morning and saw this! So stupid!

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[sebreg]

Yeah, I would never feel comfortable cracking a low grade card and selling raw without disclosing in info that it had graded at "x" grade previously. Just kind of a scummy thing to do. Personally I don't mind buying a lower grade card especially if I feel the value is there comparatively speaking with the higher grade price points. And sometimes those lower price points gives an entry point to pick up desired cards that may otherwise have been financially unattainable for some collectors (at least higher grade versions).

[Giannis34fan]

Just out of curiosity, mostly cause I think I sold those to you and pumped for your success, did you happen to ask seller about the condition?

Anyhow, I don’t grade cards or collect them (even for profit, which is dumb, but I just don’t believe in grading), but I try to be as honest with any card description/photo. There are other eBay folks like that too.

Also, listing photos make about 98% of everything apparent. The weird angles, poor lighting, blurred closeups are a dead giveaway. Take the photos, front and back, corners as well if need be, straight on with no weird angle, in a well lit room, and retake if it’s blurry—pretty obvious.

The seller just said to let him know what grades I got? But lost track of whom the seller was? It also took 5 months to get them back from PSA via a Standard submission... usually they take 2 months if not quicker... bought them in early to mid December 2019...

The seller did say that he doesn't do grading... if that was you? Thank you!! :D

I still have 5 more Luka Doncic Prizm base RCs. Need to inspect which ones are gradable in the next day or 2...

[Pippenfan]

The seller just said to let him know what grades I got? But lost track of whom the seller was? It also took 5 months to get them back from PSA via a Standard submission... usually they take 2 months if not quicker... bought them in early to mid December 2019...

The seller did say that he doesn't do grading... if that was you? Thank you!! :D

I still have 5 more Luka Doncic Prizm base RCs. Need to inspect which ones are gradable in the next day or 2...

Ha. Pretty sure that was me based on timeline and that statement; cool stuff. Sold all my extra base Prizms, Optics, and Donruss already, but holding on tight to my Chronicles stash. Won’t ever be a grading convert, but hope folks like yourself can benefit whenever I do sell!