Why does Ovechkin YG seem to be going much higher than Crosby's?

[kellmuff]

People buying in anticipation of him taking a run at Gretzky's record? Just doesn't seem like there's any real reason otherwise?

[JMarchand1981]

Prior to this season I thought it was the run-up to 700. That's done, so I'm not sure why he is outselling Crosby (or if he even is, I am going by what you are saying).

[Cavaliercards]

My two cents

Malkin Young Gun PSA 10 sells for $399-450

Backstromg Young Gun PSA 10 sells for $139-180


Ovechkin is the Man in DC, where I feel Malkin gets more love from Pittsburgh than Backstrom does from DC Collectors.

Part of this is yes obviously the numbers difference, but the point is I think it splits the Penguins money further than Ovechkin money gets split.

[Bigduga]

They’re both great hockey players.

Crosby is kind of a boring, plain-vanilla dink. Ovechkin isn’t. It makes a difference.

[signed79]

The value skyrocketed once he won a Cup and Conn Smythe.

[tyrith]

They’re both great hockey players.

Crosby is kind of a boring, plain-vanilla dink. Ovechkin isn’t. It makes a difference.

I think this is most of it. It's a lot more fun to own Ovi stuff than Crosby, because Crosby is vanilla and Ovechkin is fun as hell.

Ovechkin is also just tracking towards having a higher place in history, shocking as that might have been three years ago. He's passed, at least for a little bit, Crosby in points, even though he has 200 more goals. He's lead the league in goals 7 of the last 8 years.

Being a center, two way play, setting up teammates - all that stuff matters, but scoring ultimately matters the most and is by far the sexiest thing. Now that Ovechkin has a Cup and won't go down in history as not being able to win, everyone has permission to do what they want and go in on his stuff.

Plus, recency bias - Crosby was hurt last year, and hockey players can fall off a cliff in their early 30s...or they can player 10 more years at Crosby's age. But there's prob some amount of bet hedging going on for some people.

[aro13]

Not certain where you are getting your pricing data but it seems to be that Crosby still outsells Ovechkin.

PSA 10
Last 5 Ovechkin between $2000 and $2500
Last 5 Crosby between $1800 and $3100
PSA 9
Last 5 Ovechkin between $750 and $1100
Last 5 Crosby between $900 and $1300
BVG 9.5
Last 5 Ovechkin between $900 and $1900
Last 5 Crosby between $1450 and $2250
BVG 9
Last 5 Ovechkin between $625 and $1000
Last 5 Crosby between $1000 and $1025

[JMarchand1981]

$1800 for a crosby psa 10? Is that right? I should be selling mine.

[aro13]

Last three are 2200, 2500 and 3100. Only one was PWCC if you’re thinking of any funny business

[JMarchand1981]

Last three are 2200, 2500 and 3100. Only one was PWCC if you’re thinking of any funny business

The investing crew have hit hockey.

[kellmuff]

I think this is most of it. It's a lot more fun to own Ovi stuff than Crosby, because Crosby is vanilla and Ovechkin is fun as hell.

Ovechkin is also just tracking towards having a higher place in history, shocking as that might have been three years ago. He's passed, at least for a little bit, Crosby in points, even though he has 200 more goals. He's lead the league in goals 7 of the last 8 years.

Being a center, two way play, setting up teammates - all that stuff matters, but scoring ultimately matters the most and is by far the sexiest thing. Now that Ovechkin has a Cup and won't go down in history as not being able to win, everyone has permission to do what they want and go in on his stuff.

Plus, recency bias - Crosby was hurt last year, and hockey players can fall off a cliff in their early 30s...or they can player 10 more years at Crosby's age. But there's prob some amount of bet hedging going on for some people.

Have to disagree there. Crosby is tracking to be a top 5 player of all time and certainly one that's better than Ovechkin.

[tyrith]

Have to disagree there. Crosby is tracking to be a top 5 player of all time and certainly one that's better than Ovechkin.

Yeah, that might have been overstating it. But Crosby is very, very far behind Ovechkin in the single most important stat, and it's not lost on people that Crosby has gotten to play his entire career with another elite scorer in a way that Ovechkin has not.

[k13]

Canadians must have lost control of the market...ha

;)

[chezball]

Last three are 2200, 2500 and 3100. Only one was PWCC if you’re thinking of any funny business

What about prostein?

[rohara99]

I think Ovies prices surged recently as the supply of Ovie YG’s was basically nothing on eBay. There are always lots of Crosby’s available it seems.

That’s my best guess. Although both had jumped 25-50% in last month it seems.

[CB Nostalgia]

As great as Crosby is and how quickly people want to pencil him into that number five spot on all time lists, Ovechkin has a reasonable chance to be the all time leader in goals scored. That moment transcends hockey and adds value that two more cups and even the golden goal cannot for Crosby.

Crosby might be the superior player in terms of peak or team accomplishments but if Ovechkin breaks Gretzky’s record his cards will skyrocket.

[asujbl]

Crosby is super boring to those that don’t understand Hockey.

Those that get the nuance? Obviously he’s one of the best ever

Casual people like Ovi

Crosby is Tim Duncan.

[rohara99]

If Crosby is #5 on “the list’ i suppose Ovie could be right there as #6.

[ZappBrannigan]

Crosby is super boring to those that don’t understand Hockey.

Those that get the nuance? Obviously he’s one of the best ever

Casual people like Ovi

Crosby is Tim Duncan.

People that don’t understand hockey should stick to collecting Tim Duncan.

[asujbl]

People that don’t understand hockey should stick to collecting Tim Duncan.

And people that don't understand Basketball should stick to collecting Sidney Crosby

If you can't get the point? I can't help you

[JMarchand1981]

Crosby is super boring to those that don’t understand Hockey.

Those that get the nuance? Obviously he’s one of the best ever

Casual people like Ovi

Crosby is Tim Duncan.

This is solid. I was a Duncan guy. I am also a crosby guy.

[rohara99]

I don’t know much about Tim Duncan but I assume he’s boringly elite and never says or does the wrong thing. And throw in vanilla interviews?

[JMarchand1981]

I don’t know much about Tim Duncan but I assume he’s boringly elite and never says or does the wrong thing. And throw in vanilla interviews?

That is Tim Duncan's Wikipedia page.

[codered]

Honestly the biggest factor in Ovie closing the gap is more non Canadians entering the market as the hobby has grown. Rule of thumb is that old school Canadian collectors pay more for Canadian players. Trust me I’ve heard this idea talked to death over my many years of collecting and visiting my LCS and other shops across Canada. Old school Canadian Collectors were a huge part of the hockey market. The new investor market (assuming they aren’t Canadian) doesn’t care as much about a players nationality. Just my two cents

[Inferno]

Even in a shortened season Ovie will pass Mike Gartner and Phil Esposito on the all-time goal scoring list this year, and will have a shot to tie or even pass Marcel Dionne if he manages more than 25 goals which is doable for him in 56 games. Each new guy he knocks off will make more headlines and the hype will climb.

Should he manage to pass Dionne this year it would put him 5th all time and only a few back of Brett Hull, whom he would pass early into the 2021-22 season to take 4th. Then he'll be 150~ back of the record at age 36.

He will hit a wall at some point and slow down due to age but it will be later in his career than most players IMO because he's not depending on his speed to score. He'll always have his shot and PP prowess which will age better. It might take him five years or so to grind out the remaining goals if he has the desire to play into his early 40s.

Whether he actually passes Gretzky... I dunno. He's lost a lot of time already due to lockouts and the pandemic. And he's made it clear he wants to finish his career in Russia. He'll have to be willing to stick it out and grind out some low scoring seasons towards to end to scrape by the record.

Even if he doesn't I think he'd finish his career no lower than 2nd ALL-TIME on the goal scoring list ahead of the legendary Gordie Howe. That's a legendary career in its own right and like others have said Ovie has been a larger than life and likable face of the league for his entire career. He's an absolute gift to hockey and even the staunchest Canadian collectors have to admit it.

[Selanne00008]

I do think the all time goals record plays a certain factor. But, Im not sure why the run up over the past couple months.

It's the reason I bought a PSA 9 and PSA 10 last year becasue I thought he had a shot at Gretzky and I thought as he passes each all-time great it will be a news article and people will start to take the chance of the record being broken seriously.

Only big hockey fans thought there would be an outside shot at the goals record a couple years ago. Ovie is still producing at an ultra high level and tied for most goals in the season at his age. I def see him as the Selanne/Jagr type that will obviously slow down a bit but still produce at a clip of around 35 goals per full season until he is 40. That gets him close enough to basically say to himself "why stop now, i'm so close to it"

I think he gets there, but the pandemic and lockout did make me reconsider.

[clearblue]

What is the nonsense about Canadians only collecting Canadian hockey players. That's news to me. Maybe this only applies to the oppressed Don Cherry lovers out there. Real collectors collect good players. Ovie is a stud on and off the ice. Highly productive year after year and a champion to boot. Nobody celebrated a Stanley Cup win like he did. People love that about him. He's got so much appeal to everyone who's a fan of sports and hockey, it's no wonder everyone wants a piece of him in their collections.

[CB Nostalgia]

Ovechkin finishing his career in Russia isn’t on some predetermined timeline. A 42 year old Ovechkin would still be the best goalscorer in the KHL. Datsyuk is still putting up good numbers at the same age.

[Inferno]

What is the nonsense about Canadians only collecting Canadian hockey players. That's news to me. Maybe this only applies to the oppressed Don Cherry lovers out there. Real collectors collect good players. Ovie is a stud on and off the ice. Highly productive year after year and a champion to boot. Nobody celebrated a Stanley Cup win like he did. People love that about him. He's got so much appeal to everyone who's a fan of sports and hockey, it's no wonder everyone wants a piece of him in their collections.

There was definitely a lot of bias against Ovie, mostly in the early years. And lots of bitter fans when Crosby lost the Calder to him. I was guilty of it too. I'm a Nova Scotian who lives a few hours from Crosby's home town, I probably wouldn't be collecting at all if it wasn't for Sid bringing me back into watching hockey. I'm as big a Crosby fan as anybody and the Golden Goal in particular meant a lot to me. A lot of folks were either Team Crosby or Team Ovechkin in those days. I was Team Crosby and didn't like Ovie at first but he 100% proved me wrong and won me as a fan. As the years went on I came to respect him more and more and I was very happy for him when he finally got his Cup. He's one of my favorite players now and I'm cheering him on to pass Gretzky's record. Not very often you can say you watched a player's career from start to finish and saw him break a seemingly untouchable record.

I put my money where my mouth is and acquired a PSA 9 Ovie YG for my PC because like you said I couldn't not have him in my collection. Clearly more and more people are feeling the same way lately.

[boston12]

The last couple of years being shortened hurt his chances to catch Gretzky on the all time goals list but he will be #2 worst case scenario (barring injury) at the end of it all.

[Devonshmevon]

Are there Russian buyers for big hockey cards? I don't know anything about it at all, just know that the basketball market is really international.

[codered]

What is the nonsense about Canadians only collecting Canadian hockey players. That's news to me. Maybe this only applies to the oppressed Don Cherry lovers out there. Real collectors collect good players. Ovie is a stud on and off the ice. Highly productive year after year and a champion to boot. Nobody celebrated a Stanley Cup win like he did. People love that about him. He's got so much appeal to everyone who's a fan of sports and hockey, it's no wonder everyone wants a piece of him in their collections.

I get what you’re saying and agree. I actually collected Ovie for a short time. I remember picking up his stuff his rookie year and second year and anytime I’d bring up some of his stuff at the shops everyone would tell me “no matter how good he is he’ll never sell as well as he would if he were Canadian”. Granted I was younger and hockey is far from my favourite sport, I just liked how he played. I firmly believe players like Mcjesus and Lafrenière wouldn’t sell for so much if they weren’t Canadians. I don’t see mcdavid selling the same way if he was Swedish of Russian. The few times you do see non Canadians sell they usually play for Canadian or original 6 teams. I know it’s an old school bias (very don cherry) but it’s still a market factor.

Edit: I actually only have two hockey jerseys in my closet. A Home leafs Jersey that’s blank on the back and a red Ovechkin capitals jersey

[tyrith]

This is why the sweet spot of collection is Finnish players that are on teams in non-traditional hockey markets :)

[ZappBrannigan]

What is the nonsense about Canadians only collecting Canadian hockey players. That's news to me. Maybe this only applies to the oppressed Don Cherry lovers out there. Real collectors collect good players. Ovie is a stud on and off the ice. Highly productive year after year and a champion to boot. Nobody celebrated a Stanley Cup win like he did. People love that about him. He's got so much appeal to everyone who's a fan of sports and hockey, it's no wonder everyone wants a piece of him in their collections.

I guess I’m an oppressed Don Cherry fan I only collect Canadians.

[WillBBC]

This is why the sweet spot of collection is Finnish players that are on teams in non-traditional hockey markets :)

Heck yeah, has made collecting Patrik Laine an absolute joy for my wallet.

[Vintage Collector]

There is a place for both in history but I think a canadian will eventually outsell a Russian.

Can't go wrong with either.

[AShamoun]

This is simple. Crosby is one of the biggest whiny ass bitches to ever put on skates. Ovi isn't.

[Inferno]

This is simple. Crosby is one of the biggest whiny ass bitches to ever put on skates. Ovi isn't.

lol :rolleyes:

Welcome to the forum

[greenrebellion]

This is simple. Crosby is one of the biggest whiny ass bitches to ever put on skates. Ovi isn't.

Amazing first post. :D

[Selanne00008]

Amazing first post. :D

Agreed. Way to make a splash!! I like it. :coffee:

[asujbl]

This is simple. Crosby is one of the biggest whiny ass bitches to ever put on skates. Ovi isn't.

I respect this first post

I wish you had signed up just to post it

[creasecollector]

This is simple. Crosby is one of the biggest whiny ass bitches to ever put on skates. Ovi isn't.

What an enterance to the Blowout. #FirstPostLegend

[glorbgorb]

Are there Russian buyers for big hockey cards? I don't know anything about it at all, just know that the basketball market is really international.

Yes, there are a handful or deep-pocketed collectors. I know of a few that collect Ovi and Jagr (my main pc).

[k13]

Remember....they said Russians would never sell well or higher than Canadians...look at it now.

Kucherov over stamkos
Ovie over Crosby

It goes on.

Fedorov/Bure

[ejs23]

I remember a few years back there was an ongoing "Toews is better than Crosby" debate here. This is how you know Crosby is the top player of his era, he's always the measuring stick used by haters.

As for values, I expect it's all the new "investors" breaking into hockey. Ovechkin is a name they all know and not far removed from winning a Cup. He, like most russians, was maybe relatively cheap compared to others... so that's where they're "investing."

As for Crosby v Ovechkin... who cares, they're both great players. They've both won impressive amounts of personal hardware. Crosby does edge him out in Cups won. The one thing Ovie fans seem to cling to is that he's scored more goals... which is definitely impressive. But he's also taken more shots than just about anyone in NHL history... and his shot% is more in line with high scoring defensemen than with offensive scorers. He's played 168 more games than Crosby in his career, and taken 2373 more shots... but only leads Crosby by 15 points. Crosby is all time top 10 in points per game.

But hey, I do like Ovechkin. Was happy that he won a Cup.

[kellmuff]

Cups are a terrible measure of an individual. Even cups aside Crosby is better but I think they'll go be remembered as top 10 talents ever. Ovy is the best goal scorer ever.

[mintacular]

Did you just compare 3 cups to 1 as "edging him out"? Do you not remember how many 1st seeded Ovie Caps teams flamed out early in the playoffs?


I remember a few years back there was an ongoing "Toews is better than Crosby" debate here. This is how you know Crosby is the top player of his era, he's always the measuring stick used by haters.

As for values, I expect it's all the new "investors" breaking into hockey. Ovechkin is a name they all know and not far removed from winning a Cup. He, like most russians, was maybe relatively cheap compared to others... so that's where they're "investing."

As for Crosby v Ovechkin... who cares, they're both great players. They've both won impressive amounts of personal hardware. Crosby does edge him out in Cups won. The one thing Ovie fans seem to cling to is that he's scored more goals... which is definitely impressive. But he's also taken more shots than just about anyone in NHL history... and his shot% is more in line with high scoring defensemen than with offensive scorers. He's played 168 more games than Crosby in his career, and taken 2373 more shots... but only leads Crosby by 15 points. Crosby is all time top 10 in points per game.

But hey, I do like Ovechkin. Was happy that he won a Cup.

[Selanne00008]

Did a psa 10 Ovie YG just sell for 4k? Shill?


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[kellmuff]

Did a psa 10 Ovie YG just sell for 4k? Shill?


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This is why I created the topic. Seems like the Ovechkin prices are all hovering towards the 4K mark while the Crosby ones sit in the low 3's.

[rohara99]

Since Christmas here are Crosby and Ovie YG PSA 10 sales (in USD) from oldest to newest.

Crosby - $2500, $3050, $2427, $2850, $3250
Ovechkin - $2625, $2700, $3224, $3000, $2595, $3538, $4050

Crazy growth in less than 2 weeks.

Also that last Ovie that sold for $4050 I strongly doubt it was shilled. I just bought 2 fairly pricey cards off that same seller for way below market value that nobody else bid on. They just showed up in the mail yesterday. If he was shilling he would have shilled the cards I bought up.

This is why I created the topic. Seems like the Ovechkin prices are all hovering towards the 4K mark while the Crosby ones sit in the low 3's.
Lets see the next couple comps. Ovie surged above Crosby maybe 2-3 months ago... but it only lasted a couple days and Crosby's prices shot past Ovie as they always do.

Regardless I'm glad I picked up a Crosby and Ovie YG BGS 9.5's several weeks ago when they dipped.

[creasecollector]

Some nutty sales right now!

[Selanne00008]

Since Christmas here are Crosby and Ovie YG PSA 10 sales (in USD) from oldest to newest.

Crosby - $2500, $3050, $2427, $2850, $3250
Ovechkin - $2625, $2700, $3224, $3000, $2595, $3538, $4050

Crazy growth in less than 2 weeks.

Also that last Ovie that sold for $4050 I strongly doubt it was shilled. I just bought 2 fairly pricey cards off that same seller for way below market value that nobody else bid on. They just showed up in the mail yesterday. If he was shilling he would have shilled the cards I bought up.


Lets see the next couple comps. Ovie surged above Crosby maybe 2-3 months ago... but it only lasted a couple days and Crosby's prices shot past Ovie as they always do.

Regardless I'm glad I picked up a Crosby and Ovie YG BGS 9.5's several weeks ago when they dipped.




Good info thanks for spelling it out for us. Man really glad I picked up a psa 10 ovie, musta been around June or so? For $1300. Have a psa 9 and just bought a clean raw copy two weeks ago.


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[rohara99]

Good info thanks for spelling it out for us. Man really glad I picked up a psa 10 ovie, musta been around June or so? For $1300. Have a psa 9 and just bought a clean raw copy two weeks ago.

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9's seems to be selling for $1200-$1500 now too... its nuts.

And no worries. I like to keep tabs on Crosby/Ovie YG's as they're the drivers for the modern hockey card market IMO. Everything gets compared back to them.

[Selanne00008]

9's seems to be selling for $1200-$1500 now too... its nuts.

And no worries. I like to keep tabs on Crosby/Ovie YG's as they're the drivers for the modern hockey card market IMO. Everything gets compared back to them.



I’m also pretty shocked by how many raw copies are for sale. And by that I mean how few. In spring time there was a doezen raw copies sitting out there of Ovie. Some in very good condition others not so much.

Now? There’s like 2 raw for sale. At quick glance it’s the same for Crosby.


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[aro13]

Since Christmas here are Crosby and Ovie YG PSA 10 sales (in USD) from oldest to newest.

Crosby - $2500, $3050, $2427, $2850, $3250
Ovechkin - $2625, $2700, $3224, $3000, $2595, $3538, $4050

Crazy growth in less than 2 weeks.

Also that last Ovie that sold for $4050 I strongly doubt it was shilled. I just bought 2 fairly pricey cards off that same seller for way below market value that nobody else bid on. They just showed up in the mail yesterday. If he was shilling he would have shilled the cards I bought up.

Like this kind of data. But I am curious. Where are you getting those sales numbers from? VCP only lists the $4050 sale for OVI and the $3250 and $3050 for Crosby.

[mrb842]

Like this kind of data. But I am curious. Where are you getting those sales numbers from? VCP only lists the $4050 sale for OVI and the $3250 and $3050 for Crosby.

just wait until the leafs get hot and watch what happens to your auston matthews/marner/nylander stashes to see stupid $. I feel like that's a huge potential bubble. Biggest team in canadas wealthiest city w/long cup wait. they have to be very hungry there.

I like crosby, but American media loves a stat chase and the ovi gretzky chase will send those numbers up.

[valleynuckfan]

Like this kind of data. But I am curious. Where are you getting those sales numbers from? VCP only lists the $4050 sale for OVI and the $3250 and $3050 for Crosby.
???
eBay completed sales....

[rohara99]

Like this kind of data. But I am curious. Where are you getting those sales numbers from? VCP only lists the $4050 sale for OVI and the $3250 and $3050 for Crosby.

Those are all taken off 130point.com which are all ebay sales.

[Selanne00008]

So Ovie PSA 10 now up to $5500 most recent sale.
Crosby had a $4750 sale.

Cant believe these were 1100-1500 over summer. Same trend though, Ovie slightly out performing

[buffbills83]

I cashed in on some Tom Brady rookies and was planning on buying an Ovi and/or Sid YG PSA 10. I admittedly haven't looked at them for about six months or so. I was shocked to see what they're going for now! Part of me says that I should just wait until the summer to let the market simmer down a bit, but the other part of me says that even at these prices, they're the cheapest they'll ever be.

Was looking to pick up a Patrick Kane too and looking at the sales from ~November to now, those are up almost 100% too. Jeez!

[Inferno]

I cashed in on some Tom Brady rookies and was planning on buying an Ovi and/or Sid YG PSA 10. I admittedly haven't looked at them for about six months or so. I was shocked to see what they're going for now! Part of me says that I should just wait until the summer to let the market simmer down a bit, but the other part of me says that even at these prices, they're the cheapest they'll ever be.

Was looking to pick up a Patrick Kane too and looking at the sales from ~November to now, those are up almost 100% too. Jeez!

They didn't stop climbing over the last offseason so I'm not sure they'll slow down this summer either. Maybe if the market as a whole has a correction.

The Kane increase is good to see. He was undervalued and lagging way behind the two big guys.

[rohara99]

I cashed in on some Tom Brady rookies and was planning on buying an Ovi and/or Sid YG PSA 10. I admittedly haven't looked at them for about six months or so. I was shocked to see what they're going for now! Part of me says that I should just wait until the summer to let the market simmer down a bit, but the other part of me says that even at these prices, they're the cheapest they'll ever be.

Was looking to pick up a Patrick Kane too and looking at the sales from ~November to now, those are up almost 100% too. Jeez!

Buy a BGS 9.5 (low gem or true gem) for half the price. Makes zero sense that PSA 10's are out performing BGS 9.5 true gems by 50-100%. They're the same cards!

[Agent99]

People buying in anticipation of him taking a run at Gretzky's record? Just doesn't seem like there's any real reason otherwise?

Speculation OV will become the all-time NHL goals leader surpassing Gretzky (894 goals). Currently 184 goals from achieving this. Has a good chance to challenge that record but has lost 40+ NHL games due to the pandemic shortened season last year and this year, plus sat out due to covid protocol.

For him to achieve this, he must stay healthy, continue playing on the number 1 powerplay unit, play another 6 full seasons averaging 30.67 goals a season and have a little luck to go with all these variables.

[glorbgorb]

Buy a BGS 9.5 (low gem or true gem) for half the price. Makes zero sense that PSA 10's are out performing BGS 9.5 true gems by 50-100%. They're the same cards!

You've gotta remember, the BGS rule for modern cards was predominantly hockey for the longest time (with PSA being vintage). There are a lot of people from other sports dipping their toes into hockey now. Is the BGS/PSA rules the same in other sports? I have to assume the people paying so much more for the PSA cards are basketball or baseball collectors (or prospectors in this case).

[asujbl]

Buy a BGS 9.5 (low gem or true gem) for half the price. Makes zero sense that PSA 10's are out performing BGS 9.5 true gems by 50-100%. They're the same cards!

They are on the "same cards" to people that have been collectors for a while and are used to pulling cards out of packs before they even send them to get slabbed.

They are very different cards to people that are looking at the investment side. They aren't paying for just the card. You know this.

[valleynuckfan]

They are on the "same cards" to people that have been collectors for a while and are used to pulling cards out of packs before they even send them to get slabbed.

They are very different cards to people that are looking at the investment side. They aren't paying for just the card. You know this.
Truth.

[Selanne00008]

Speculation OV will become the all-time NHL goals leader surpassing Gretzky (894 goals). Currently 184 goals from achieving this. Has a good chance to challenge that record but has lost 40+ NHL games due to the pandemic shortened season last year and this year, plus sat out due to covid protocol.

For him to achieve this, he must stay healthy, continue playing on the number 1 powerplay unit, play another 6 full seasons averaging 30.67 goals a season and have a little luck to go with all these variables.


It seems daunting. He “should” get to 730 this year. That would be 19 more on top of this years 5 for a 24 goal season in 52 games (4 game covid suspension). They may not even play 56 in total though. So roughly 164 left after this shortened season is up. But yeah, 5 more seasons after this one at about 32 goals gets him there. He’s 35 and will be 36 right at the start of next season.

I think he can do it. The main reason is his goals per game clip has not slowed. .7 goals/game last season and the most goals in the league at 34 years old. .63 goals per game the season before that. So his Ave/game went up slightly last year.

This year. 5 goals in 8 games. Super small sample size of course, but he’s obviously the same player.

I think he can easily hit 40-44 goals the next couple seasons still and he will get within 80-100 goals and it will really be in play then. Then his last season or two he will only need to average 20-25 or even do it in 4 more seasons after this and not 5.


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[glorbgorb]

He's only 35. If Jagr can play professionally and he's almost 49, Ovy still has some years left in him.

[k13]

What will Ovie peak if he breaks the record?

Or will he go down like Lebron after winning championship because of the anticipation and sell off.

[Selanne00008]

What will Ovie peak if he breaks the record?

Or will he go down like Lebron after winning championship because of the anticipation and sell off.


I think this will be different. If we make the assumption he gets within say, 50 goals. The demand will be able to keep up with any supply surge. Once he breaks it I feel like the supply surge will have already happened.


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[rohara99]

If Ovie breaks the record his prices will go absolutely insane! Thats one of Gretzky’s “unbreakable” records.

For the record I don’t think he breaks it. He’s already hinted that he wants to play at home in Russia at some point.

But would be super cool if he does.

[valleynuckfan]

...For the record I don’t think he breaks it. He’s already hinted that he wants to play at home in Russia at some point....
Also true.
I really don't think the all time goals record is top of his to-do list.
Playing in his homeland is way more important.
Just think of all the good Canadian kids that salivate to play for Team Canada. It's on the same level.

[Inferno]

Even if he passes GORDIE FRIGGIN HOWE with 802+ goals and lands second all time its still a legendary modern career.

It doesn't have to be record-or-bust for Ovie.

[Selanne00008]

Even if he passes GORDIE FRIGGIN HOWE with 802+ goals and lands second all time its still a legendary modern career.

It doesn't have to be record-or-bust for Ovie.


Also very true. Most thought Wayne’s record was unbreakable. I don’t see any current player being able to sustain and come close.

To be fair to Crosby. Where are we at with him? Are the Pens on the decline ? Or can they co tongue to be a top 2-3 seed in the division.

It seems Washington has always been 1st or 2nd in the division with moderate playoff success. Yet they do well when Ovie is out. And now a Philly looks like a threat to both teams. Sidney still undervalued?


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[mooselang]

Also very true. Most thought Wayne’s record was unbreakable. I don’t see any current player being able to sustain and come close.

To be fair to Crosby. Where are we at with him? Are the Pens on the decline ? Or can they co tongue to be a top 2-3 seed in the division.

It seems Washington has always been 1st or 2nd in the division with moderate playoff success. Yet they do well when Ovie is out. And now a Philly looks like a threat to both teams. Sidney still undervalued?


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I think the Penguins are all but done. It will be interesting to see what the new management group does, though. 5 on 5, they have actually been pretty good. They’re just getting let down by their horrendous Powerplay and goaltending. If they can right the Powerplay ship and get some competent goaltending from Jarry, they will be much more dangerous. But still not a contender.


The funny thing about the Flyers is that they’re horrendous 5v5 this year. Just cannot carry the play whatsoever. But, they are converting. The scary thing is that if Carter Hart starts playing like his reputation and they improve 5v5, they might be a dangerous team.

Caps are an interesting team. Not especially good 5v5. But....this has been the case for a few years now. They just always seem to find a way.

I just hope the Penguins can stay ahead of the Isles for that last spot, but I honestly don’t think that’s going to happen.

[Dr kicker]

Goals sells anyone remember Hull 86 goals season ?

Sad i didnt keep a few , use to deal Ice /99 for 12-1500 , SPA BGS 9.5 for 350-500 , Ultimate BGS 9.5 450-650. A YG Pristine was 400$ back then.

[mooneyes]

If Ovie breaks the record his prices will go absolutely insane! Thats one of Gretzky’s “unbreakable” records.

For the record I don’t think he breaks it. He’s already hinted that he wants to play at home in Russia at some point.

But would be super cool if he does.

Define insane! Curious what people think the ceiling could be?
20k? Actually that would be insane but maybe not. lol

Even if he breaks 800 goals, which I think is a given, that is a ton of goals in the modern era.

[odjickfan]

Goals sells anyone remember Hull 86 goals season ?

Sad i didnt keep a few , use to deal Ice /99 for 12-1500 , SPA BGS 9.5 for 350-500 , Ultimate BGS 9.5 450-650. A YG Pristine was 400$ back then.

It's crazy how Hull rookies are cheap! I picked a raw one last month, one corner is not perfect, but still a nice looking card!

[Selanne00008]

Define insane! Curious what people think the ceiling could be?
20k? Actually that would be insane but maybe not. lol

Even if he breaks 800 goals, which I think is a given, that is a ton of goals in the modern era.


I don’t think that’s out of the question at all. But in doing so I’m considering that the market in general is still trending upwards until he gets there in about five years. It seems crazy to me that there are more Gretzky rookies on eBay than there are Ovechkin Young guns. Seems odd.

Ovechkin and Crosby could be sitting at 10 K within a year. There’s still four more years to go then.


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[Inferno]

I don’t think that’s out of the question at all. But in doing so I’m considering that the market in general is still trending upwards until he gets there in about five years. It seems crazy to me that there are more Gretzky rookies on eBay than there are Ovechkin Young guns. Seems odd.

Ovechkin and Crosby could be sitting at 10 K within a year. There’s still four more years to go then.


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Between Topps and OPC there are 12k+ Gretzky RCs in the PSA pop report alone. About 6k of each. Add in BVG and KSA and whoever else and there would be thousands more. Its actually a pretty common card much like the Fleer Jordan.

Ovechkin meanwhile only has 1300 total Young Guns in the PSA pop report. There are more at BGS than there are at PSA but even when you add those in the number is probably around 5k at the most. Fewer than even just the OPC Gretzky never mind the Topps ones too.

A lot of modern collectors are PC-ing the modern stars and Ovechkin and Crosby are the top of that list and shorter printed than ultra modern Young Guns. Makes for a demand that exceeds supply.

[glorbgorb]

Ovechkin meanwhile only has 1300 total Young Guns in the PSA pop report. There are more at BGS than there are at PSA but even when you add those in the number is probably around 5k at the most.

That's why the Young Guns collectibility doesn't make sense to me. A nice 1/1 Ovy doesn't cost as much as a high-grade YG.

[rohara99]

That's why the Young Guns collectibility doesn't make sense to me. A nice 1/1 Ovy doesn't cost as much as a high-grade YG.

People want rookie cards. And no Ovie 1/1 rookie cards are affordable.

[Selanne00008]

Between Topps and OPC there are 12k+ Gretzky RCs in the PSA pop report alone. About 6k of each. Add in BVG and KSA and whoever else and there would be thousands more. Its actually a pretty common card much like the Fleer Jordan.

Ovechkin meanwhile only has 1300 total Young Guns in the PSA pop report. There are more at BGS than there are at PSA but even when you add those in the number is probably around 5k at the most. Fewer than even just the OPC Gretzky never mind the Topps ones too.

A lot of modern collectors are PC-ing the modern stars and Ovechkin and Crosby are the top of that list and shorter printed than ultra modern Young Guns. Makes for a demand that exceeds supply.


Good info here. I didn’t realize the disparity between the YGs in general and Gretzky’s OPC/TOPPS total count. I kinda just assumed a 2005 general rookie would have out produced a 1979 card.


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[rohara99]

Define insane! Curious what people think the ceiling could be?
20k? Actually that would be insane but maybe not. lol

Even if he breaks 800 goals, which I think is a given, that is a ton of goals in the modern era.

I'd guess Ovie YG would fetch 2-2.5x Crosby YG if Ovie breaks the goal record.

[glorbgorb]

People want rookie cards. And no Ovie 1/1 rookie cards are affordable.

I get that. And I'm not talking about rookie 1/1s specifically. I guess I'm in the minority if I'd rather have a nice 1/1 auto patch as opposed to a graded YG of which there are literally thousands.

[mooneyes]

Beckett has graded 2906 Ovy YG's with 738 BGS 9's, 1736 are 9.5, and only 54 BGS 10s.
They only list one Black Label YG. That would be a valuable card to own!
(One card is a BGS 3.0 with a surface cond. of 2. Not sure why someone would bother? lol )

With 1300 graded by PSA added to around 2,500 BGS 9 or better that is still only 3,800 YG's. Not a huge number considering how desirable the card is. Seems like an iconic card to me.
Should be fun to watch. Hopefully the Russian machine never breaks...except records.

[Tonic3]

People want rookie cards. And no Ovie 1/1 rookie cards are affordable.

Not intending to high-jack the thread with a specific "value" question........but........since you all brought up 1/1 rc's what do you think a printing plate Masterpiece 1/1 of the Ovechkin YG might go for in today's market?

[k13]

Between Topps and OPC there are 12k+ Gretzky RCs in the PSA pop report alone. About 6k of each. Add in BVG and KSA and whoever else and there would be thousands more. Its actually a pretty common card much like the Fleer Jordan.

Ovechkin meanwhile only has 1300 total Young Guns in the PSA pop report. There are more at BGS than there are at PSA but even when you add those in the number is probably around 5k at the most. Fewer than even just the OPC Gretzky never mind the Topps ones too.

A lot of modern collectors are PC-ing the modern stars and Ovechkin and Crosby are the top of that list and shorter printed than ultra modern Young Guns. Makes for a demand that exceeds supply.

There's so many raw YGs out there still and many being graded as we speak.

Probably around 20k ovie YGs made.

Everyone and their mom has a YG set made every year.

[glorbgorb]

(One card is a BGS 3.0 with a surface cond. of 2. Not sure why someone would bother? lol )

That's one of those "I dare you to get this graded" cards. But you know what? Someone out there will buy it.

[beanman25]

I pulled my Ovie YG from a retail box I bought w allowance. (was 15 at the time). I'm sending it in to PSA soon, just to protect it forever. It's easily my favorite card I've ever pulled. I remember bringing it to school to show off, haha.

[mooneyes]

$7,200 cdn for last PSA 10 and 4,500 cdn for BGS 9.5 with 2x10 subs and 2x 9.5s...that is a huge $$$ difference for basically the same card!

[creasecollector]

$7,200 cdn for last PSA 10 and 4,500 cdn for BGS 9.5 with 2x10 subs and 2x 9.5s...that is a huge $$$ difference for basically the same card!

That's crazy

[JMarchand1981]

Beckett has graded 2906 Ovy YG's with 738 BGS 9's, 1736 are 9.5, and only 54 BGS 10s.
They only list one Black Label YG. That would be a valuable card to own!
(One card is a BGS 3.0 with a surface cond. of 2. Not sure why someone would bother? lol )

With 1300 graded by PSA added to around 2,500 BGS 9 or better that is still only 3,800 YG's. Not a huge number considering how desirable the card is. Seems like an iconic card to me.
Should be fun to watch. Hopefully the Russian machine never breaks...except records.

I just want to add...I submitted a Henrik Lundqvist YG that came back a BGS 4. Obviously there was something wrong with the card that I missed.

[mooneyes]

Yesterday, $7,250 cdn, than $7,600 cdn and than $8,500 cdn is the new mark for PSA 10.
The price is literally rising throughout the day! lol

[Selanne00008]

At this point the 10K barrier will be blown through way before this shortened season is even over

[PatchSentinel]

I would rather have a raw future watch auto for that kind of money.

[mooneyes]

I would rather have a raw future watch auto for that kind of money.

Where could you get one though?

I see a box on eBay for 4k...

[PatchSentinel]

Where could you get one though?

I see a box on eBay for 4k...

Well the last raw Crosby FWA was an accepted best offer from an original listing price of $6,500 on January 10. That was only a month ago so maybe the card grew in value in "card years," card years being the equivalent to 10 years or more of growth condensed into a single month the way things are going. Who knows these days?

[Selanne00008]

Ovie on fire as of late with goals. Sid racking up points as well!


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[Inferno]

Ovie is a freak. You can never count the guy out of a goal scoring race.

[k13]

Yesterday, $7,250 cdn, than $7,600 cdn and than $8,500 cdn is the new mark for PSA 10.
The price is literally rising throughout the day! lol

Last two sold for $5700 and $6600.

Huge hockey auctions yesterday.
Majority of them went lower than previous highs.

[Selanne00008]

Last two sold for $5700 and $6600.

Huge hockey auctions yesterday.
Majority of them went lower than previous highs.

Damn I missed out. I woulda at least done some window shopping. What's the best way to search for a big hockey auction night? Search PWCC?

Or just specific players and do some sorting is all it takes?

[Selanne00008]

Ovie and Crosby YGs still holding strong right around 5K.

Ovie just sold around $5100. Crosby between 4500-4900.

I am finding that raw ovie's sell for less than raw Crosby's though. For whatever reason. Not by a ton but there is a difference.

Has anyone noticed other higher end Ovie/Crosby rookies going up in values similar with the YGs? Compared to say 1 year ago?

[Inferno]

Ovie and Crosby YGs still holding strong right around 5K.

Ovie just sold around $5100. Crosby between 4500-4900.

I am finding that raw ovie's sell for less than raw Crosby's though. For whatever reason. Not by a ton but there is a difference.

Has anyone noticed other higher end Ovie/Crosby rookies going up in values similar with the YGs? Compared to say 1 year ago?

I don't have numbers but I believe their Fleer Ultra RCs and Gold Medallions have been doing quite well lately.

[rohara99]

Ovie and Crosby YGs still holding strong right around 5K.

Ovie just sold around $5100. Crosby between 4500-4900.

I am finding that raw ovie's sell for less than raw Crosby's though. For whatever reason. Not by a ton but there is a difference.

Has anyone noticed other higher end Ovie/Crosby rookies going up in values similar with the YGs? Compared to say 1 year ago?

Crosby and Ovie are two of the only guys that haven’t dipped in price the past month or so. Ovie and Crosby still heading to the moon.

[rohara99]

I don't have numbers but I believe their Fleer Ultra RCs and Gold Medallions have been doing quite well lately.

Yup. Ovie Ultra is selling for significantly more then Crosby Ultra. Does the American market prefer Ovie over Crosby and do they really like the Ultra cards?

[UD HighGloss]

Yup. Ovie Ultra is selling for significantly more then Crosby Ultra. Does the American market prefer Ovie over Crosby and do they really like the Ultra cards?


I mean, the Ultra’s especially gold medallions look nice. Not hard to see why they’d go up in price.

Will be interesting to see if Ovi continues to outsell Crosby once he falls short of Gretzky’s goal record. A lot of people were buying and paying in hopes of that.


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[Selanne00008]

I mean, the Ultra’s especially gold medallions look nice. Not hard to see why they’d go up in price.

Will be interesting to see if Ovi continues to outsell Crosby once he falls short of Gretzky’s goal record. A lot of people were buying and paying in hopes of that.


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If he does fall short it may not matter. He'd be all alone in 2nd and by a lot of ppl still considered the best goal scorer ever.

Still think he does it though. This years pace is around 46G over 82 games

[mooselang]

I’m a Penguins fan with a profound hatred of the Caps (but less than I hate the Flyers).

But at this point, how is he NOT the best goal scorer of all time? Whether or not he breaks the record, he is.

And it’s not particularly close. The goalies he had to score on, the era he played in....

Gretzky threw 49 mph unscreened wristers from the blueline that would “sneak” 5 hole. Bossy was great, but along with Gretzky just feasted on a diluted talent pool and 5’5” unathletic goalies.

Ovechkin is mind-blowing.

Also Mario is the 2nd best goal scorer ever. 35 goals in 43 games in 2001. After taking 3.5 years off. When he is in his late 30s. In the deadest of the dead puck era. Give me a break. It’s amazing. Take a seat Wayne.

[UD HighGloss]

If he does fall short it may not matter. He'd be all alone in 2nd and by a lot of ppl still considered the best goal scorer ever.

Still think he does it though. This years pace is around 46G over 82 games


I’m being realistic here. He will be 36 next season and would have to have 5.5 more seasons of 30 goals.

He is the best goal scorer of all time, no arguement. But father time is the best at minimizing production as players get older.


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[Selanne00008]

I’m being realistic here. He will be 36 next season and would have to have 5.5 more seasons of 30 goals.

He is the best goal scorer of all time, no arguement. But father time is the best at minimizing production as players get older.


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I hear ya on being realistic. Would be an amazing accomplishment if he can.

I just see the pace and think 2 years from now he should be well north of 800, even with a dip on production. The shot is still elite.

From there it's just a matter of mental strength and passion to pot another 80 goals or so. He could fall off a cliff but I don't see it happening with his style of play.

[aro13]

Using a baseball method devised by Bill James to figure out chances of a player achieving a goal Ovechkin comes in with a 37% chance of breaking Gretzky's record.

He is 165 goals away. He is 35 and his goal totals the last 3 years have been 49, 51 and 48 (in only 68 games). He currently has 24 in 42 games. Projected over a 70 game season that would be 40 goals and a full season 46 goals.

I’m being realistic here. He will be 36 next season and would have to have 5.5 more seasons of 30 goals.

You might be right but like I pointed out above his current averages give no indication that he is going to drop off so quickly right away. We are talking about a player who has averaged basically 45 to 50 goals from age 32 to age 35. In Gretzky's 32 to 35 age years he scored 38, 11 (short season), 23 and 25.

[Selanne00008]

Using a baseball method devised by Bill James to figure out chances of a player achieving a goal Ovechkin comes in with a 37% chance of breaking Gretzky's record.

He is 165 goals away. He is 35 and his goal totals the last 3 years have been 49, 51 and 48 (in only 68 games). He currently has 24 in 42 games. Projected over a 70 game season that would be 40 goals and a full season 46 goals.



You might be right but like I pointed out above his current averages give no indication that he is going to drop off so quickly right away. We are talking about a player who has averaged basically 45 to 50 goals from age 32 to age 35. In Gretzky's 32 to 35 age years he scored 38, 11 (short season), 23 and 25.

We will know a LOT more a year from now, and especially 2 years from today. Obviously. But yeah based on hwere he is, and any comments he makes. By the time we are in april 2022 he's going to get questions about it often. Eventually I would probly respond with don't jinx it guys, no more questions about it

[callou2131]

I’m a Penguins fan with a profound hatred of the Caps (but less than I hate the Flyers).

But at this point, how is he NOT the best goal scorer of all time? Whether or not he breaks the record, he is.

And it’s not particularly close. The goalies he had to score on, the era he played in....

Gretzky threw 49 mph unscreened wristers from the blueline that would “sneak” 5 hole. Bossy was great, but along with Gretzky just feasted on a diluted talent pool and 5’5” unathletic goalies.

Ovechkin is mind-blowing.

Also Mario is the 2nd best goal scorer ever. 35 goals in 43 games in 2001. After taking 3.5 years off. When he is in his late 30s. In the deadest of the dead puck era. Give me a break. It’s amazing. Take a seat Wayne.

Agree with this. The goal tending was so bad back then. Smaller equipment, stand up style etc. I would say almost every goalie playing today would be better than the best of that era if he had the same equipment etc. Also Take into account a lock out year, and a half year for covid. I would also agree with Mario as well as #2.

[aro13]

Agree with this. The goal tending was so bad back then. Smaller equipment, stand up style etc. I would say almost every goalie playing today would be better than the best of that era if he had the same equipment etc. Also Take into account a lock out year, and a half year for covid. I would also agree with Mario as well as #2.

I would disagree about the goaltending. Look at Patrick Roy - he played in the 80's with small equipment and goal scoring at a plenty and he was still playing well in 2002-03 when he retired. The good players adapt to the game and it's changes. I'm not a big Gretzky fan but his dominance relative to his peers is unquestionable and again - the great players adapt to the game around them - Ray Bourque for example was great in the 80's, 90's and early in the 2000's. The game changed a lot during that time but Bourque just adapted.

[kellmuff]

the only thing stopping him would be injuries and/or a desire to finish his career off in the KHL. If not, he will literally play until he breaks it

To think he's lost 2+ years due to lockouts and COVID. Too bad.

[kellmuff]

Also Take into account a lock out year, and a half year for covid. I would also agree with Mario as well as #2.

He would have played in 04-05 too. So he lost a year and a half to lockouts (12-13 too) and then about 40 games to COVID. Tough.

[k13]

I would disagree about the goaltending. Look at Patrick Roy - he played in the 80's with small equipment and goal scoring at a plenty and he was still playing well in 2002-03 when he retired. The good players adapt to the game and it's changes. I'm not a big Gretzky fan but his dominance relative to his peers is unquestionable and again - the great players adapt to the game around them - Ray Bourque for example was great in the 80's, 90's and early in the 2000's. The game changed a lot during that time but Bourque just adapted.

Patrick Roy never adapted the game adapted around him.

1986 2.94 .891 < high scoring era
1992 3.20 .894 < high scoring era
2001 1.94 .925 < low scoring era

Somehow at 36 he got better than his prime.:rolleyes:

[aro13]

Patrick Roy never adapted the game adapted around him.

1986 2.94 .891 < high scoring era
1992 3.20 .894 < high scoring era
2001 1.94 .925 < low scoring era

Somehow at 36 he got better than his prime.:rolleyes:

My point was that Roy had small equipment in the 80's and when the equipment got better and the style changed he was still really good. The same goalie who looked so good in 2001 was the one who looked small and awful in the 80's on film.

[mooselang]

My point was that Roy had small equipment in the 80's and when the equipment got better and the style changed he was still really good. The same goalie who looked so good in 2001 was the one who looked small and awful in the 80's on film.

There are exceptions, but it was just different pre-1995(ish).

Goalies didn't have goalie coaches. They weren't, minimum, 6'2'' like every goalie is today (minus a few exceptions). It was just totally different then. Maybe instead of saying the goalies were worse then, we could just say it was so much easier to score.

[kellmuff]

Goalies were objectively worse then though. And there's nothing wrong with saying that.

Athletes in the 80s were terrible (in every sport) by todays standards.

[Inferno]

Goalies were objectively worse then though. And there's nothing wrong with saying that.

Athletes in the 80s were terrible (in every sport) by todays standards.

Half of them smoked darts between periods and most of them showed up to camp fat and out of shape from doing nothing but drinking beer all summer. The players today work out with fitness gurus like Gary Roberts and probably train harder in the offseason than they do midseason.

[aro13]

There are exceptions, but it was just different pre-1995(ish).

Goalies didn't have goalie coaches. They weren't, minimum, 6'2'' like every goalie is today (minus a few exceptions). It was just totally different then. Maybe instead of saying the goalies were worse then, we could just say it was so much easier to score.

Absolutely, I agree. It was a lot easier to score goals in the 1980's than today. In the early 80's the average game had 8 goals scored - today that number is less than 6.

Goalies were objectively worse then though. And there's nothing wrong with saying that.

Athletes in the 80s were terrible (in every sport) by todays standards.

Huh? That is so far from factual. Different maybe, but terrible. I think not. As someone pointed out about Mario Lemieux he averaged 1.35 points a game at 37 in 2003 against those superior athletes. If athletes were so superior now you would see World Records being shattered all the time, and there not. Al Macinnis shot the puck as hard in the 80's as Zdeno Chara does now and he doesn't have the advantage of the modern stick. Paul Coffey's time around the rink in a race is as fast as any superior athlete today.

In context Ovechkin is likely a better goal scorer than Gretzky given it is much harder to score now but that has nothing to do with the quality of the opposition.

[jmarascojr]

I'm a Gretzky fan, but even I look at some of his highlights and wonder how the goalies didn't stop a lot of those goals...

But take away all of his goals and he still is the all time points leader, that says something...

Crosby woulda crushed in the 80s, Gretzky woulda crushed in the 50s/60s and Howe woulda crushed in the 1910s and 20s...

It's the evolution of the sport and the players, "scrubs" now woulda been stars in previous generations.

[TFP]

Got this today...


https://www.instagram.com/p/CN3oSjKs3ad/


They also have a sweet 4CLR Ovi SPx BGS 9.5/Au 10 I’m keeping an eye on.

[EdwardJ]

I'm a Gretzky fan, but even I look at some of his highlights and wonder how the goalies didn't stop a lot of those goals...

But take away all of his goals and he still is the all time points leader, that says something...

Crosby woulda crushed in the 80s, Gretzky woulda crushed in the 50s/60s and Howe woulda crushed in the 1910s and 20s...

It's the evolution of the sport and the players, "scrubs" now woulda been stars in previous generations.

Agree with this. I think it clicked for me when someone said "if what Gretzky was doing back then was so easy, then why didn't anyone else do it".

The game is just so different each decade, even players equipment now is better than goalie equipment back in the 70's, it makes for getting a shot so difficult when you have 2-3 guys blocking.

[Selanne00008]

Crosby seems to be sitting around 3700-4,000

Ovie of course most know has gone up n up. Looks like most recent sales are between 7500-8500 or so. Not sure how long it’ll keep it. Still years away from a record breaking goal.


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[GoSportsball]

Ovie stuff is already 4-5x what it was in September. No way this is sustainable. Well, who knows. Nothing makes sense these days.

[Inferno]

Raw Ovie Young Guns are selling for $2k+ right now. Bonkers.

[arenasmvp]

Longer term, would you rather have a couple of PSA 10 Young Guns or a single BGS 9.5 SP authentic auto #/999 rookie? The Young Guns are about half the price of the auto right now, wondering what people think.

[boston12]

Longer term, would you rather have a couple of PSA 10 Young Guns or a single BGS 9.5 SP authentic auto #/999 rookie? The Young Guns are about half the price of the auto right now, wondering what people think.

I would go the SPA future watch route personally.

[Tonic3]

Not intending to high-jack the thread with a specific "value" question........but........since you all brought up 1/1 rc's what do you think a printing plate Masterpiece 1/1 of the Ovechkin YG might go for in today's market?

Sorry to bump my own post but I was curious if all of you Ovie experts would have an idea on the question above? With YG's going for so much I would think the 1/1 Masterpiece printing plate would go for quite a bit. What do you all think?

[WillBBC]

Yes. It would sell for quite a bit.

[k13]

Longer term, would you rather have a couple of PSA 10 Young Guns or a single BGS 9.5 SP authentic auto #/999 rookie? The Young Guns are about half the price of the auto right now, wondering what people think.

Obviously Future Watch.

Would you rather have Two Lebron Topps base PSA 10 rookies or his Sp Authentic BGS 9.5 ?

It will take a few years for people to figure this out.

PSA pop is only low because everyone in hockey graded with Beckett.
If PSA ever opens up a location in Canada the pop on Ovechkin Young Guns will go thru the roof since everyone and their mom has one.

[arenasmvp]

Obviously Future Watch.

Would you rather have Two Lebron Topps base PSA 10 rookies or his Sp Authentic BGS 9.5 ?

It will take a few years for people to figure this out.

PSA pop is only low because everyone in hockey graded with Beckett.
If PSA ever opens up a location in Canada the pop on Ovechkin Young Guns will go thru the roof since everyone and their mom has one.

I completely agree. Was kind of just pointing it out because YG is either overpriced, Future Watch is underpriced, or a combo of both at these current prices.

[WillBBC]

I am super curious where the next Future Watch PSA 10 lands. I saw one was pulled down with a 40K asking price, wonder what the story was there.

[Selanne00008]

I am super curious where the next Future Watch PSA 10 lands. I saw one was pulled down with a 40K asking price, wonder what the story was there.


I have one at BGS right now… waiting….


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[WillBBC]

Heck yeah, good luck!

Here's one I submitted a few years ago. I love this man.

https://i.imgur.com/tP2oQ77.jpg

[Selanne00008]

Heck yeah, good luck!

Here's one I submitted a few years ago. I love this man.

https://i.imgur.com/tP2oQ77.jpg


Beauty!!

I went with BGS simply because I didn’t think it would gem with PSA. But I’m saying my prayers for a BGS 9.5 xmas gift result.

I think a 9.5 recently went on eBay at auction, maybe around 16K? Would have to think PSA 10 would be 25ish?


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[rohara99]

Beauty!!

I went with BGS simply because I didn’t think it would gem with PSA. But I’m saying my prayers for a BGS 9.5 xmas gift result.

I think a 9.5 recently went on eBay at auction, maybe around 16K? Would have to think PSA 10 would be 25ish?


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Good luck. BGS is hammering on grades right now. Gotta keep up with Jones' on being the toughest graders.

[cowtowncollectr]

Love this thread. The excitement Ovie is generating is great for the whole hobby. Incredible in a few months his cards have completely pulled away from Crosby where they were anchored.
I agree, the future watch is a much better "investment". I personally think the future watch is an unappealing card...dorky looking, in street clothes etc, and the Young guns is a much nicer photo, but the Young guns are so so plentiful. I think in general the young guns are overpriced and the lesser known rookies hold better value.

[GoSportsball]

Ultimate collection is the sleeper

[rohara99]

Ultimate collection is the sleeper

This. Missed some in the summer and now they've gone bonkers... I'm tapping out of that battle haha.

Even his rookie insert autos are all $2-3k+++ now.

[rohara99]

I think in general the young guns are overpriced and the lesser known rookies hold better value.

Ultra rookie is a significantly tougher pull then the YG's and great looking IMO.

I grabbed a Ultra BGS 9.5 before the season and again missed out on a couple BGS 9.5 Ultra Gold Medallions that I'm kicking myself over. Such a good looking card.

[Inferno]

Ultra rookie is a significantly tougher pull then the YG's and great looking IMO.

I grabbed a Ultra BGS 9.5 before the season and again missed out on a couple BGS 9.5 Ultra Gold Medallions that I'm kicking myself over. Such a good looking card.

Not a BGS 9.5 but I just got my Ovie to complete the pair

https://i.imgur.com/y6hqW88.jpg

These are pure collection cards for me so not very concerned about the slabs. I’ve been saying for a while these are the best looking cards from their rookie season and I stand by it. The gold really outlines the players and makes them pop right out of the card. Just awesome.

And yeah, WAY tougher pulls than the Young Guns. The gold SP rookies were case hits and there were 21 in the set. With all the popularity gold cards have these days I can’t figure out why these aren’t more popular. I’d easily sell my Young Guns before I’d ever think about selling these.

[k13]

Ultimate collection is the sleeper

For sure.

Should be a $50k card.

[DontToewsMeBro]

If Ovechkin gets the record over Gretzky it will be a damn disgrace

Russians suck ass

Always have, always will

[123GHJ]

This. Missed some in the summer and now they've gone bonkers... I'm tapping out of that battle haha.

Even his rookie insert autos are all $2-3k+++ now.

I'm glad I pulled these two years ago.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51732332663_8f38fb87df.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51731270462_6a276def56.jpg

[mwash1983]

Love this thread. The excitement Ovie is generating is great for the whole hobby. Incredible in a few months his cards have completely pulled away from Crosby where they were anchored.
I agree, the future watch is a much better "investment". I personally think the future watch is an unappealing card...dorky looking, in street clothes etc, and the Young guns is a much nicer photo, but the Young guns are so so plentiful. I think in general the young guns are overpriced and the lesser known rookies hold better value.

How plentiful are the UD Power Play RC, I bought one at a show in October for $10.

[GoSportsball]

If Ovechkin gets the record over Gretzky it will be a damn disgrace

Russians suck ass

Always have, always will

Theres no way anyone can say with a straight face that these guys suck ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBsOuA5qgFg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTNBRz94Nvg (starting at :43)

They're the only personalities in the league right now.

[creasecollector]

The Ultra Gold Medallions are my fav

[DontToewsMeBro]

Theres no way anyone can say with a straight face that these guys suck ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBsOuA5qgFg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTNBRz94Nvg (starting at :43)

They're the only personalities in the league right now.

Straight face

Russians are a$$holes and suck sweaty donkey nuts

[GoSportsball]

Straight face

Russians are a$$holes and suck sweaty donkey nuts

Can you please not be so coy and just tell us how you really feel? Lol

[JMarchand1981]

Wow. At these numbers, I need to sell whatever ovie’s I have remaining.

[DontToewsMeBro]

Can you please not be so coy and just tell us how you really feel? Lol

No problem

How can I help?

[rohara99]

So this is where Don Cherry has been hiding out?

[Inferno]

Wow. At these numbers, I need to sell whatever ovie’s I have remaining.

With PSA 9 Young Guns pushing $4k CAD I’ve actually started considering selling mine.

[Archangel1775]

With PSA 9 Young Guns pushing $4k CAD I’ve actually started considering selling mine.

Sell the hype and buy the dip

[CanadianKid]

Sell the hype and buy the dip

Exactly, wont be picking one up again until after the season.

[kellmuff]

Not a BGS 9.5 but I just got my Ovie to complete the pair

https://i.imgur.com/y6hqW88.jpg

These are pure collection cards for me so not very concerned about the slabs. I’ve been saying for a while these are the best looking cards from their rookie season and I stand by it. The gold really outlines the players and makes them pop right out of the card. Just awesome.

And yeah, WAY tougher pulls than the Young Guns. The gold SP rookies were case hits and there were 21 in the set. With all the popularity gold cards have these days I can’t figure out why these aren’t more popular. I’d easily sell my Young Guns before I’d ever think about selling these.

I might not have this fully correct but I'm pretty sure in that Fleer set that the there were two tiers of rookies. And while you got 6 or 7 in a box, only 1 or 2 were from the higher tier. So the odds to pull were very low. And that's only for the base rookie, not these golds.

I missed out on a gold Ovy BGS 9 for like $600 Cdn a couple weeks ago and I'm still bummed about that.

[Poochie]

That’s true. Tier 1 were 1 in 4, Tier 2 were 1 in 24.

[rohara99]

I might not have this fully correct but I'm pretty sure in that Fleer set that the there were two tiers of rookies. And while you got 6 or 7 in a box, only 1 or 2 were from the higher tier. So the odds to pull were very low. And that's only for the base rookie, not these golds.

I missed out on a gold Ovy BGS 9 for like $600 Cdn a couple weeks ago and I'm still bummed about that.

I believe i was bidding on that card too! haha. I've lost out on many Ovie Ultras since the summer. Finally got my base BGS 9.5 off facebook.

And yes Ovi/Crosby were SSP for sure. Super tough pulls.

[edogg]

I think my Ovi YG BGS 9 is selling for more right now than my Crosby BGS 9.5. Something I never in a million years would have ever expected to happen.

[Inferno]

I believe i was bidding on that card too! haha. I've lost out on many Ovie Ultras since the summer. Finally got my base BGS 9.5 off facebook.

And yes Ovi/Crosby were SSP for sure. Super tough pulls.

I would like to have the base versions as well but they’re also going up fast. I prioritized the golds first so if it happens I don’t get the base ones I can live with it.

[MIRRABB]

It's never going to be high on the list because it's an XRC, but does anyone else like the look of the 2004-05 SP Authentic as much as I do? 2004-05 SP Authentic is one of the best looking sets ever IMO. Also technically Ovi's draft year

[rohara99]

It's never going to be high on the list because it's an XRC, but does anyone else like the look of the 2004-05 SP Authentic as much as I do? 2004-05 SP Authentic is one of the best looking sets ever IMO. Also technically Ovi's draft year

XRC? Its a base parallel.

[MIRRABB]

XRC? Its a base parallel.

Parallel? It's a redemption XRC.

[rohara99]

Parallel? It's a redemption XRC.

Ah I get it, sorry... I thought you were talking about the Ultra Gold car.

The redemption card you're talking about is a good looking card! Also yea you never see it.

[cowtowncollectr]

The Ultra Gold's are awesome. Wish I owned one. Much more rare than the YG

[k13]

Are the Golds/numbered Fleer Ultra ones only in hobby or retail too?

[Inferno]

Are the Golds/numbered Fleer Ultra ones only in hobby or retail too?

Just hobby.

[rohara99]

There are also Ice Medallion versions #/25.

Seen Crosby and Ovie Ice Medallion once (a couple months ago) and they both sold via BIN for a depressingly low price.

[Inferno]

There are also Ice Medallion versions #/25.

Seen Crosby and Ovie Ice Medallion once (a couple months ago) and they both sold via BIN for a depressingly low price.

The Crosby Ice is my white whale.

[creasecollector]

The Ice Medallion rookies are awesome.

I believe that was the first year they did them in hockey.

[GoSportsball]

I think one of the sleepers for this rookie class is the 2004 SP Authentic XRC. Those look great.

[creasecollector]

I think one of the sleepers for this rookie class is the 2004 SP Authentic XRC. Those look great.

Those so look awesome!

[MIRRABB]

aside from SP XRC I'm also a huge fan of the Black Diamond.

[Inferno]

The Black Diamond is nice too but is already priced out of my comfort zone. Maybe some day.