Baseball Club - Financials - June/July Breaks

[swerve]

So here is where we are:

May - 2011 Bowman Jumbo Case ($975 due)

Current balance - $167.39

Some money has been collected for future months already - don't remember off hand.

So, roughly $2,000 to collect for May and June. This doesn't not factor in fees, shipping/supply costs or monies collected for unclaimed teams.

I think many want Triple Threads in July but I noticed the price has already gone up on this (which I frankly think the price hike is ridiculous). 9 box case ~$1,700

That said I think we will have a very small budget for June so maybe a 6 box case of Bowman Platinum?

Lets discuss June and July!

[upsbroker06]

I definitely want to see 2011 Platinum in some way,shape or form in June. Either a 6 box case or 12 box case.

[rambel]

My answer would be obvious :)

[upsbroker06]

I know some may be against it,but I would be willing to chip in additional money on my team for June to do a 12 box case of Platinum.

[swerve]

Yeah, I know some were pretty against adding additional funds at any time.

[grm94]

I would personally like to keep the price where it's at! Also is there another option rather than TTT, because at the that price with 18 hits is crazy!

[rambel]

We also should be getting some additional funds from the bidding process for May ... correct?

[swerve]

We also should be getting some additional funds from the bidding process for May ... correct?

yep...............

[swerve]

I would personally like to keep the price where it's at! Also is there another option rather than TTT, because at the that price with 18 hits is crazy!

there are 36 hits per 9 box case

[grm94]

there are 36 hits per 9 box case

Oh my bad...Thanks!

[slugger82685]

I say platinum for sure in june

[gergs1134]

I agree with platinum for June. I would also be willing to throw in some extra cash to make the cases 12 box platinum in June and 18 box TTT in July (I would still even if not everbody wanted to). How many times can I be part of opening a master case of TTT for about $100!! If it's anything like tribute, I would be okay with that price. Have you emailed BO about price for TTT, I have seen it as low as 3099 for an 18 box case on other sites and they are usually pretty good about matching or going lower.

[mgugs46]

Yeah I would love to Platinum and TTT and would be happy to throw in extra money as well

[swerve]

Just going on rough math everyone would have to add an EXTRA $45 per month for June and July in order to break a 12 box case of Platinum and an 18 box case of TTT. I just can't see that gaining enough momentum.

[upsbroker06]

Hopefully the bidding for the unclaimed teams is pretty good for Bowman. Lots of cards and chances at color for all teams.

[stevejeltz]

id be down for an extra $45 for Platinum and TTT. I believe i'll be in the minority and this is something I think has to be unanimous for all owners.

[gergs1134]

I'm willing to throw in $100 (or a little more) each month for June and July if we can do both. I don't think everybody needs to agree. I would still be willing to put in the extra money even if a couple teams did not wish to (I can't blame the Rangers or Pirates for example wanting not to do this). But again, I would only be willing to do so if there was enough money to do 12 Platinum and 18 TTT.

[grm94]

I personally can't put in $100 extra because I have 2 teams(Angels/Cubs) and it's just not in my budget. If we can come up with some compromise that could work for everyone I would be on board!

[slugger82685]

I'm willing to throw in $100 (or a little more) each month for June and July if we can do both. I don't think everybody needs to agree. I would still be willing to put in the extra money even if a couple teams did not wish to (I can't blame the Rangers or Pirates for example wanting not to do this). But again, I would only be willing to do so if there was enough money to do 12 Platinum and 18 TTT.

yeah my Rangers team has been taking a beating in these breaks lol

[grm94]

yeah my Rangers team has been taking a beating in these breaks lol

So has the Angels!!!

[rambel]

You can count me in if we need to put in some extra funds for June/July. I would like to see Platinum and TTT be ripped as well.

[alsjunk2002]

What do you see for the rest of the months. Does anyone have a plan for the rest of the year ? Are there going to be any months that it would be best to do nothing?

[mgugs46]

I personally can't put in $100 extra because I have 2 teams(Angels/Cubs) and it's just not in my budget.

If I understood Swerve right its an extra $45 per team, so it'd be a total of an extra $90 for you [and me, and anyone who has 2 teams] not an extra $100 per team.

Anyhow, Id be willing to throw an extra $90 for the 2 months if we do the 12 and 18 box cases.

[swerve]

It would be $45 per month, per team for both June and July. So if you have two teams then it would be an additional $180 total or $90 per month, in addition to your normal $45/month. So a total of $360 for June and July if you have two teams.

[mgugs46]

So, $360 then .... ?

$45 x 2 teams for June - $90
$45 x 2 team for July - $90
$45 x 2 extra for June - $90
$45 x 2 extra for July - $90

Right?

[swerve]

So, $360 then .... ?

$45 x 2 teams for June - $90
$45 x 2 team for July - $90
$45 x 2 extra for June - $90
$45 x 2 extra for July - $90

Right?

yeah, i fixed my post. :)!

[gergs1134]

Bump. No other opinions???? Also May payment sent.

[mwolfson22]

Unless it is Unanimous I don't think we can add extra money... While I would be down to double up, I will not double up while other people in the break don't.

[slugger82685]

i would only be down with it if the teams that arent represented well would get one of the extra teams, I dont think its fair to ask teams to chip in double what they are paying now when their team only has a few possible hits in it

[RckyMtCollector]

Since personally I do not want to pay the extra $45.00 I would if it was a majority vote. I would like to know if everyone wants to pay the extra for a Big Break why can't we just not break for two months that don't have product coming out, I would be then willing to double up on a Payment or two for the next couple of months.

Also I think we need to change the way we are doing the Auctions for the extra teams to Maximize getting the most $$ for the teams that were not taken. ie Live auction thread or something that shows what other people are bidding. $118 seems kinda low to collect last month for the extra teams as I know combined on the (2) extra teams I bid on was $50.00 and then there would have been (4) additional teams even at a low of say $20.00 would have been $130.00. At $45 a pop we should be trying to get $180 for the additional teams. JMO

[mwolfson22]

Since personally I do not want to pay the extra $45.00 I would if it was a majority vote. I would like to know if everyone wants to pay the extra for a Big Break why can't we just not break for two months that don't have product coming out, I would be then willing to double up on a Payment or two for the next couple of months.

Also I think we need to change the way we are doing the Auctions for the extra teams to Maximize getting the most $$ for the teams that were not taken. ie Live auction thread or something that shows what other people are bidding. $118 seems kinda low to collect last month for the extra teams as I know combined on the (2) extra teams I bid on was $50.00 and then there would have been (4) additional teams even at a low of say $20.00 would have been $130.00. At $45 a pop we should be trying to get $180 for the additional teams. JMO

That's what I thought last month and it was never posted what each team went for.... I think that is a must because I am not sure how we only collected 130 last month when all of the teams were sold.

I will ask for the 2nd time what did each team go for last month in the auction?

[swerve]

Each product is going to have different bidding results. I don't think the process needs to be changed, people just need to participate - or we just say if you offer $25 then you pay $25 even if nobody else offers for the team.

There were no Diamondbacks in the product so obviously no bids for them, the rest were:


Padres $36
Blue Jays $28
Astros $13 (don't remember if this resulted in anything)
White Sox $11 (upsbroker made the only offer at $10 so I paid $12)
A's $27 (I got ZERO cards with this slot)


Tribute was high risk so I don't think people wanted to entertain the idea of getting nothing. I think bids will be better for Bowman and other upcoming products.

[RckyMtCollector]

Each product is going to have different bidding results. I don't think the process needs to be changed, people just need to participate - or we just say if you offer $25 then you pay $25 even if nobody else offers for the team.

There were no Diamondbacks in the product so obviously no bids for them, the rest were:


Padres $36
Blue Jays $28
Astros $13 (don't remember if this resulted in anything)
White Sox $11 (upsbroker made the only offer at $10 so I paid $12)
A's $27 (I got ZERO cards with this slot)



Tribute was high risk so I don't think people wanted to entertain the idea of getting nothing. I think bids will be better for Bowman and other upcoming products.

But again we're trying to maximize the $$$ amount we are trying to get. There were actually 4 Teams I was interested in. But opted to only bid on (2). If I would have known the Jays were at $28 my bid was $27 I would then have countered higher. As for the "I got ZERO cards with this slot" you and I didn't know that prior to the break. Again it's a game of chance. If you want to keep it silent then here's another option. Send ALL bids to a Mod that is NOT participating in the break. I did my research and knew that the Rox had limited participation and decided to try and pick up a second team. Again JMO.

[upsbroker06]

But again we're trying to maximize the $$$ amount we are trying to get. There were actually 4 Teams I was interested in. But opted to only bid on (2). If I would have known the Jays were at $28 my bid was $27 I would then have countered higher. As for the "I got ZERO cards with this slot" you and I didn't know that prior to the break. Again it's a game of chance. If you want to keep it silent then here's another option. Send ALL bids to a Mod that is NOT participating in the break. I did my research and knew that the Rox had limited participation and decided to try and pick up a second team. Again JMO.

OR just put the max you are willing to spend. If you are willing to go 40 max on a team, just send 40. The way this is set up,if the next highest max is 32,you would pay 33.

If there is such a concern about the money being generated from the unclaimed teams, don't let me win 4 teams in the heroes break for 60 some dollars total. Just my opinion.

[RckyMtCollector]

IDK maybe just me but why all the "SECRECY" about bid amounts????????????


OR just put the max you are willing to spend. If you are willing to go 40 max on a team, just send 40. The way this is set up,if the next highest max is 32,you would pay 33.

If there is such a concern about the money being generated from the unclaimed teams, don't let me win 4 teams in the heroes break for 60 some dollars total. Just my opinion.


But my point is someone can look at the bid amounts and say "hey wow sox are only at $11 hey yeah i'll take a chance i'll pay $15.00." Then someone who bid $11 say nope can't have them cheap i'm doing $18.00 See where i'm going with this - Trying to Maximizing bidding and generate more $$$$$$$. I don't know maybe totally way off base. Again JMO.

Hey I know Let Take a Poll????????

[swerve]

My intent from my comment about "I got zero cards with this slot" was to provide some reasoning as to why the slots may have gone as cheap as they did. I believe with a few of those slots they only way to get anything was if it was a "hit".


The Blue Jays went for $28 because you were the second highest bidder at $27 - I think the winner would have actually gone up to $32 or something like that.

If someone wants to take over the bidding process and make it more involved by all means I will relinquish that role.

The system that was put in place was just hey, send me one "bid" for the maximum that you are willing to pay for each team you are interested in. The max you are going to end up paying is $1 more than the next highest bid so there is no risk to you. So to me you are either interested or you are not, it shouldn't have to come down to "where is the current bid". And then an oh, that is it, ok I'll bid now.

I have tried to avoid bidding for this very reason and I figured this would come up BUT I'm not going to give myself a different set of rules (ie. pay $5 more than the next highest bid or something because I know where the bids stand). Maybe it is my one "perk" for doing the work. :confused:

My 2¢

[upsbroker06]

IDK maybe just me but why all the "SECRECY" about bid amounts????????????





But my point is someone can look at the bid amounts and say "hey wow sox are only at $11 hey yeah i'll take a chance i'll pay $15.00." Then someone who bid $11 say nope can't have them cheap i'm doing $18.00 See where i'm going with this - Trying to Maximizing bidding and generate more $$$$$$$. I don't know maybe totally way off base. Again JMO.

Hey I know Let Take a Poll????????

Because I don't like you and I will never let you win an auction if I know you are the high bidder.

[RckyMtCollector]

IDK maybe just me but why all the "SECRECY" about bid amounts????????????





But my point is someone can look at the bid amounts and say "hey wow sox are only at $11 hey yeah i'll take a chance i'll pay $15.00." Then someone who bid $11 say nope can't have them cheap i'm doing $18.00 See where i'm going with this - Trying to Maximizing bidding and generate more $$$$$$$. I don't know maybe totally way off base. Again JMO.

Hey I know Let Take a Poll????????

Because I don't like you and I will never let you win an auction if I know you are the high bidder.


Hey that's totally cool with me if it means more money for the Group to get Higher End Product. I'm not the one that started crying because I wanted everyone to put more money in for Higher End Product. I'm fine with what we do from Month to Month. I'm here to get Rockies Cards Hit or Not. So if I pay $45.00 every month for Base so be it, it's a chance i'm taking but I WILL NOT agree to increase the fees monthly for higher end product if we are not Maximizing our potential for the other 6 teams that don't have "sponsors" if you will. Again I think you should message all the members to get involved in this discussion as this all seems to die unless we're doing a break.

[gergs1134]

Since personally I do not want to pay the extra $45.00 I would if it was a majority vote. I would like to know if everyone wants to pay the extra for a Big Break why can't we just not break for two months that don't have product coming out, I would be then willing to double up on a Payment or two for the next couple of months.

Also I think we need to change the way we are doing the Auctions for the extra teams to Maximize getting the most $$ for the teams that were not taken. ie Live auction thread or something that shows what other people are bidding. $118 seems kinda low to collect last month for the extra teams as I know combined on the (2) extra teams I bid on was $50.00 and then there would have been (4) additional teams even at a low of say $20.00 would have been $130.00. At $45 a pop we should be trying to get $180 for the additional teams. JMO

I like the idea of breaking every month, that is the reason I would like to pay the extra. There are teams that should be quite interested in opening extra boxes of these higher end products like the Yanks, BoSox, Cards, Braves, Dodgers, Giants etc. I would think these teams would want to throw a little extra in as the chances for their teams hits increases. Maybe it's just me, but I would be more than willing to pay $100 or more each for about half the teams in a 18 box case of TTT.

As for the auctions, I have never been a fan of the silent auction (for transparency reasons). Not that I don't trust Swerve or anyone else, it would just eliminate any questions and as Rocky said, probably increase what we take in for the teams. With bidding for Bowman, Platinum and TTT we could easily make this happen if a few more members step forward.

[RckyMtCollector]

Maybe it is my one "perk" for doing the work


Considering the major discussion on a different threat about this I really think you don't want to go there.

[swerve]

I don't mind conducting a vote on whether or not a new process for bidding should be put into place.

BUT I will say that someone else would have to be willing to be in charge of it.


I will also throw out that if another one of our reputable group members (like patrick :) ) would like to host one or two of our breaks I will gladly make the payments and have Chris ship to an alternate destination.

[swerve]

1) No way to get a unanimous vote.

2) I agree that this doesn't really make any sense for some teams.


So - I think we just have to plug along with what we have and that "I assume" is a 6 box case of Platinum and 9 box of TTT for June and July. But looks like we need to decide if this is the course of action quick as TTT is up again.



NOW an additional proposal for the ones that do want more:

I order a 12 box case of Platinum and 18 box case of TTT.

6 boxes Platinum and 9 boxes TTT go to group break. Both of these products should have inner cases so it will be easy to identify that the first 6 box/9 box case is for the group.

For the other 6 and 9 boxes - those that want to participate pay the remaining balances. In return you get your original team + the rest of the teams don't want to participate are randomly assigned to those that do.


Thinking out loud here so...

[upsbroker06]

I know some may be against it,but I would be willing to chip in additional money on my team for June to do a 12 box case of Platinum.

Hey that's totally cool with me if it means more money for the Group to get Higher End Product. I'm not the one that started crying because I wanted everyone to put more money in for Higher End Product. I'm fine with what we do from Month to Month. I'm here to get Rockies Cards Hit or Not. So if I pay $45.00 every month for Base so be it, it's a chance i'm taking but I WILL NOT agree to increase the fees monthly for higher end product if we are not Maximizing our potential for the other 6 teams that don't have "sponsors" if you will. Again I think you should message all the members to get involved in this discussion as this all seems to die unless we're doing a break.

Obviously I was not being serious when I said I didn't like you. I don't even know you. As far as crying about wanting people to put more money in I simply stated( as you can see from my quote above) that I would be willing to do so.

I could care less either way. I will still bid what I feel comfortable bidding for the unclaimed teams. I just think the one bid for each team keeps things simple for Dave. I also like the silent auction thing, but I enjoy bidding in them in real life as well.

[gergs1134]

I would be agreeable to the additional boxes/cost either way, although it makes moresense for those of us that do pay to reap the rewards.

[iluvfish2]

I have no problems holding off a month if we've got bigger and better products coming. But think in order to do this, we need to have a majority agreement. I know there isnt much in the summer thats released. Obviously being baseball, this should be prime time, but at the same time, you tend to get more in the preseaon, then post season, and even the shows in the summer tend to have low attendance.

I do think we had some prebreak discussions on Triple Threads. Still very much a big gamble for anyone. That being said, plus side this year is that it does have about double the hits, but also has a higher cost.

I do think pricing is a big factor for breaking any product. If its to high then there's not enough reward for everyone.

As for the bidding process, I think its ok as is now. Those that do the research are bidding (or just hoping to hedge their bets getting a 2nd team). either threory works but can also be quickly disproven once we open the packs. Not exactly like we're bidding on known quantity of anything.

[Straw44]

I like your most recent idea of breaking "half" cases under the normal budget and allowing a smaller subset to break the other "half" by splitting that cost by however many people want to participate.

That seems an easy way to satisfy both camps.

[stevejeltz]

1. I like the silent bidding and have no problem with the current way we are doing it.

2. I think the idea of doing full cases and splitting them for people who want to pay extra. Count me in for extra $ either way.

[swerve]

And that was the intent of the silent bid process to begin with - it was the simplest, less time consuming way to do it.

[mgugs46]

I don't get why when you bid you wouldnt bid your max amount? I bid 35 for the Jays. Next highest was 27, I paid 28. If you were willing to pay 40 for example - why not just bid that to begin with?? Making the bidding public isn't going to make me bid more than what my max bid would be anyhow - nor would it entice me to bid on a team I had no interest in to begin with.

[mgugs46]

Also, I am all for the idea of full cases for those willing to pay extra

[rambel]

I agree with the current process (silent bidding). If I want an extra team, I know what I want to bid on it ... if I get it for less, I'm happy. We don't have an Ebay system in place where the timer can exactly count down to an end time. We always have those last milli-second bidders who may or may not hit the deadline before bidding ends and then complain that they got in their bids before the time expires ... too many possible issues could occur.

Also, count me in for extra $.

[Bum Dawg]

I think the silent bid process if fine the way it is.

The full cases of the next two products for those willing to pay extra is fine with me. On a totally unrelated note: how do the Indians and Mets look for platinum and TTT as far as possible hits? ;)

[swerve]

This could also be broken down per product. Obviously TTT is way more expensive than Platinum.

So if EVERY team wanted to stay in for the second half of a Bowman Platinum Case then we could do like $20 per team.

So the key is would everyone stay in for just an additional $20 in June?

[upsbroker06]

I'm good with the current silent bid process.

I am also in with getting the full 12 and 18 box cases and doing 6 and 9 or whatnot for the main $45 and then do the other 6 and 9 for those that want to pick up the balance.

[pskell02]

I'm in agreement regarding the silent bids. If you want to bid on the team, just throw in your highest bid. Don't see how a drawn out public bidding process would increase the total price.

I'm also ok with throwing out a little more money so that we can break a product that we really want. But I will say, I'm strapped until the first, so any extra out of me would have to wait :p

[mgugs46]

Quick question ... if some of us do the full cases, will we still do the bidding for the first half, and then re bid the second half, or just random for the second half ?

[swerve]

Quick question ... if some of us do the full cases, will we still do the bidding for the first half, and then re bid the second half, or just random for the second half ?

if we end up doing it this way then you would only be bidding on the first half, second half would be randomly assigned among those that paid.

[mgugs46]

So, for example, if I won the Jays at $30, that would only count for the 1st 6 boxes of Platinum, and then the Jays, and all the other teams with no owners, plus the teams with owners who didnt want to pony up the extra cash would be randomed? Sounds good to me.

[swerve]

So, for example, if I won the Jays at $30, that would only count for the 1st 6 boxes of Platinum, and then the Jays, and all the other teams with no owners, plus the teams with owners who didnt want to pony up the extra cash would be randomed? Sounds good to me.

yep...............

[sd_navarre]

I have no issues with the unclaimed team bidding process.

I agree with the idea of doing the base case for everyone, then opening up the "extra" case for those who pay extra. I would probably put up the extra cash for the "extra" case.

[gergs1134]

I don't have a problem with the bidding process, just not a fan of it, which is why my bids have been minimal. This is a trial and error process for us all and we are only 4months in. The prices for the unclaimed teams have been somewhat lower than I anticipated they would sell for, maybe I am the only one. Not trying to change anyones mind, just throwing ideas out.

It wouldn't have to be a long, drawn out process. It could be make an announcement (thread and send PM), bidding starts on Tues at 0600 and ends at 1800 on Thurs (or whatever days). Any bids time stamped after 1759 in the thread on Thurs would not count (not sure if this can be manipulated). It would be public, not sure how that is a bad thing? I believe it would increase the $$$ for the leftover teams, with this approach I know I would have put a few more bids in which is extra money in the pot.

[guru]

I like the silent bidding process.

I am also willing to pay extra for a month or two to cover the cost of a 12 box case of Platinum and an 18 box case of TTT

Either way, I want to get an 18 box case of TTT so if a sacrifice must be made, let it be with Platinum.

[messingaroundok]

The current bidding process is fine with me.

In terms of additional funds, I don't think i would be able to contribute that much more. If i can scrounge up the funds I'll definitely try to help, just not sure if I can right now :(

[meyer9977]

The bidding is fine the way it is.

I would be in with the extra money for Platinum and Triple Threads.

[mwolfson22]

To clarify.... I don't have a problem with bidding process. I just think bids should be announced with winners!

I like the idea of second cases for people who want to double up!

[grm94]

I'm fine with the bidding the way it is.

Also fine with whoever wants to pay more for the other 1/2 of the case!

[maculay75]

I actually think bowman and TTt are both overpriced and should can both of them. Bowman is way too high for what the avg team will receive. Also why is no one bringing a topps 2 case break into play? Much rather have that then throwing in extra dollars

[rambel]

Do we have a count of which teams wish to add extra money to June/July? Do we also have an idea of what the extra 1/2 case would cost? With these values, we can figure out approximately how much more we need to add in each month.

I'm not at a PC to determine this.