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roro17
09-21-2021, 08:11 PM
Any thoughts?

Joe Girardi if Phillies miss the playoffs?
Aaron Boone if anything less than a WS appearance?
Luis Rojas (he may get one more year with a full healthy squad)
Jayce Tingler (if Padres miss playoffs?)

hammertime
09-21-2021, 08:19 PM
Bell, hopefully

roro17
09-21-2021, 08:21 PM
Bell, hopefully


Really? I thought they exceeded expectations this year. May have earned himself some more time.

awz50
09-21-2021, 08:23 PM
Melvin I would think

roro17
09-21-2021, 08:27 PM
Melvin I would think

ahhh eh good call

roro17
09-21-2021, 08:30 PM
Is Lovullo or Baldelli on the list? I mean the Twins were expected to more right?

LCM1223
09-21-2021, 08:31 PM
Girardi

100%

Triple B
09-21-2021, 08:33 PM
I was going to say Brandon Hyde, but he might get a 20 year contract to keep the Orioles trash.

Drew3000
09-21-2021, 08:49 PM
Bell, hopefully

Fingers crossed. He sucks

pete2345
09-21-2021, 09:33 PM
Baboon? GM Cashman??

cruiserdaddy7
09-21-2021, 10:05 PM
David Bell, with that horrid bullpen, has done well.

He didn’t give away Iglesias and Bradley. He didn’t want Gausman to walk for nothing as well. The front office did a horrendous job, let’s not forget the lack of a shortstop.

Drew3000
09-21-2021, 10:49 PM
David Bell, with that horrid bullpen, has done well.

He didn’t give away Iglesias and Bradley. He didn’t want Gausman to walk for nothing as well. The front office did a horrendous job, let’s not forget the lack of a shortstop.

Sure but he is married to the l/r matchup even ignoring reverse splits, plays guys like Aquino and DeShields over a lefty that’s been mashing, frequently double switches good players by the 6th inning so we’re left with 9th inning at bats by Travis Jankowski, Shogo, Mike Freeman, Mark Payton, etc

Has no feel for the game. Treats it like little league where everyone has to have a turn. Pure suckage

Maven
09-21-2021, 11:25 PM
Tingler need to go. He was never qualified to manage. AJ really screwed us with hiring his buddy over a real manager.


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sportsfanatic
09-21-2021, 11:33 PM
Baboon? GM Cashman??

Cashman's the one that's gotta go. Boone's just a puppet of the front office. Whoever they hire after Boone is gona do the same thing.

Gthompson1978
09-22-2021, 12:49 AM
I agree about Bell, they’ve got the pirates how many times in the last 3 weeks and they’re tanking, was in a really good position and now look…..SMH

fulltritty
09-22-2021, 04:24 AM
Boone, Cashman, the hitting and pitching coach, and the entire analytics and scouting team of the Yankees need to be sacked. :)!

amg2002
09-22-2021, 07:00 AM
Bell, hopefully

100% agree. If you watch Reds games regularly, he makes a lot of decisions that work out very poorly for the Reds.

The Reds are a train wreck as an organization and I hope the fire sale includes the owner and all coaches/manager.

Last postseason win - 1995

brauncj1
09-22-2021, 07:37 AM
Sure but he is married to the l/r matchup even ignoring reverse splits, plays guys like Aquino and DeShields over a lefty that’s been mashing, frequently double switches good players by the 6th inning so we’re left with 9th inning at bats by Travis Jankowski, Shogo, Mike Freeman, Mark Payton, etc

Has no feel for the game. Treats it like little league where everyone has to have a turn. Pure suckage

I second this!

brauncj1
09-22-2021, 07:38 AM
100% agree. If you watch Reds games regularly, he makes a lot of decisions that work out very poorly for the Reds.

The Reds are a train wreck as an organization and I hope the fire sale includes the owner and all coaches/manager.

Last postseason win - 1995

And this!

cruiserdaddy7
09-22-2021, 07:55 AM
I agree about Bell, they’ve got the pirates how many times in the last 3 weeks and they’re tanking, was in a really good position and now look…..SMH

Losing Winker is a huge part of it. Miley has been horrid and so has Gutierrez. Can't blame Bell for all of the issues, not even close.

Now we are stuck with the horrid Moose contract, another bad front office decision. Same with Shogo. The front office has been the issue. Drafting has been terrible as well.

maconithappen
09-22-2021, 08:03 AM
Aaron Boone, especially if the Yanks don't get in the playoffs.

amg2002
09-22-2021, 08:15 AM
Losing Winker is a huge part of it. Miley has been horrid and so has Gutierrez. Can't blame Bell for all of the issues, not even close.

Now we are stuck with the horrid Moose contract, another bad front office decision. Same with Shogo. The front office has been the issue. Drafting has been terrible as well.

Miley has 12 wins and a 3.37 ERA.
Greene and Lodolo are 2 of the best SP prospects in baseball

Aside from that Bell makes a lot of decisions during the game that do not make sense. The most recent...

Last night, TJ Friedl, who is left handed, and hits left handed pitching VERY WELL, was subbed out for Asdrubal Cabrera, who is 0-19 with the Reds so far. Cabrera Ks on 4 pitches. Reds were down 1 at that point in the game and had runners in scoring position.

This stuff happens all of the time. So many head scratching moments, almost if he has one of those 8 ball things to help him make decisions. Shake the 8 ball, follow directions, hope for the best.

Shogo, as evidenced in 2020, needs regular at-bats. When he was forced to play everyday in Aug and Sept 2020, he was arguably the Reds best hitter. He has been mismanaged.

Aquino has no business on a major league ball club, yet he runs him up there in key situations.

It took him months to figure out that Kyle Farmer is very good at baseball.

Up 1 in the 9th, lets let Doolittle try to close it out. He has 1 pitch and they kept running him out there for about 2 weeks trying to secure the closer job. The guy had a 6+ ERA.

There are so many times that Naquin would start to get hot again and he would get the day off in the middle of a 10 game hit streak. Then you wouldn't see Naquin for 3 or 4 games except to pinch hit. Maybe Aquino's bat will get hot in his place.

I would take Dave Miley over this guy...and that should say a lot.

coachnip13
09-22-2021, 09:16 AM
Last night, TJ Friedl, who is left handed, and hits left handed pitching VERY WELL, was subbed out for Asdrubal Cabrera, who is 0-19 with the Reds so far. Cabrera Ks on 4 pitches. Reds were down 1 at that point in the game and had runners in scoring position.



A guy who has been in the major leagues for four days is too good to get pinch hit for?

cruiserdaddy7
09-22-2021, 09:32 AM
Miley has 12 wins and a 3.37 ERA.
Greene and Lodolo are 2 of the best SP prospects in baseball

Aside from that Bell makes a lot of decisions during the game that do not make sense. The most recent...

Last night, TJ Friedl, who is left handed, and hits left handed pitching VERY WELL, was subbed out for Asdrubal Cabrera, who is 0-19 with the Reds so far. Cabrera Ks on 4 pitches. Reds were down 1 at that point in the game and had runners in scoring position.

This stuff happens all of the time. So many head scratching moments, almost if he has one of those 8 ball things to help him make decisions. Shake the 8 ball, follow directions, hope for the best.

Shogo, as evidenced in 2020, needs regular at-bats. When he was forced to play everyday in Aug and Sept 2020, he was arguably the Reds best hitter. He has been mismanaged.

Aquino has no business on a major league ball club, yet he runs him up there in key situations.

It took him months to figure out that Kyle Farmer is very good at baseball.

Up 1 in the 9th, lets let Doolittle try to close it out. He has 1 pitch and they kept running him out there for about 2 weeks trying to secure the closer job. The guy had a 6+ ERA.

There are so many times that Naquin would start to get hot again and he would get the day off in the middle of a 10 game hit streak. Then you wouldn't see Naquin for 3 or 4 games except to pinch hit. Maybe Aquino's bat will get hot in his place.

I would take Dave Miley over this guy...and that should say a lot.

Miley has run out of gas, have you not been watching lately? What do Greene and Lodolo have to do with the Major League club? Greene has shown he isn't ready, same with Lodolo.

Friedl had a great track record of hitting major league left handed pitching? Double A maybe...

I'd pick apart the rest of your hideous argument but it's not worth it after reading you would take Dave Miley over Bell. That's foolish...You take Price over him too?

Another Cincy fan with no clue what they are talking about. Playoffs last year, winning record this year with a God awful bullpen and tons of injuries (Votto,Castellanos,Winker,Gray,Antone,Sims). You are clueless.

To be clear, you want to fire a winning manager for Dave Miley. You want Friedl getting key at-bats and Shogo Akiyama playing daily. Sounds like a winning recipe.

cruiserdaddy7
09-22-2021, 09:36 AM
Wade Miley is 1-3 with an 8.35 era this month. He is part of the reason for the collapse. Losing Winker is another BIG reason. Votto has been slumping until the recent few homers as well.

Rooftop
09-22-2021, 09:42 AM
Suarez sucks donkey balls

80version
09-22-2021, 09:51 AM
Melvin I would think

Doubtful. He is not at fault for Laureano being suspended, Bassitt taking a liner to the face, and having an inadequate number of BP arms. He won MOY three times, and as recently as 2018 for the A’s, lol…

amg2002
09-22-2021, 09:57 AM
Miley has run out of gas, have you not been watching lately? What do Greene and Lodolo have to do with the Major League club? Greene has shown he isn't ready, same with Lodolo.

Friedl had a great track record of hitting major league left handed pitching? Double A maybe...

I'd pick apart the rest of your hideous argument but it's not worth it after reading you would take Dave Miley over Bell. That's foolish...You take Price over him too?

Another Cincy fan with no clue what they are talking about. Playoffs last year, winning record this year with a God awful bullpen and tons of injuries (Votto,Castellanos,Winker,Gray,Antone,Sims). You are clueless.

To be clear, you want to fire a winning manager for Dave Miley. You want Friedl getting key at-bats and Shogo Akiyama playing daily. Sounds like a winning recipe.

You did mention terrible drafting. That is the reason for the Greene/Lodolo comment.
They are 4 games over .500. Not acceptable with the team (on paper) that they have.
Put all injuries aside and they were lucky to hit 10 games over .500 this season. Go back to the 1st 2 months and see how many times Bell changed his mind on where guys hit in the lineup. He has been doing that for years.
The bullpen as been mismanaged from day 1.
The lineup has been mismanaged for years

Yes, Friedl should have hit in the situation above. Aging veteran who cannot hit anything at all right now (and really hasn't for about 2 years) cannot be a better option.

I am glad Bell has his supporters, but no matter what argument anyone can make, the Reds have not won in the postseason in 26 years. Bell has a sub .500 record as the manager of the Reds. The collapse this season and the inability to perform in last years playoffs are ultimately on him.

coachnip13
09-22-2021, 10:01 AM
I am glad Bell has his supporters, but no matter what argument anyone can make, the Reds have not won in the postseason in 26 years. Bell has a sub .500 record as the manager of the Reds. The collapse this season and the inability to perform in last years playoffs are ultimately on him.

So you want to keep blaming managers?

Drew3000
09-22-2021, 10:03 AM
Miley has run out of gas, have you not been watching lately? What do Greene and Lodolo have to do with the Major League club? Greene has shown he isn't ready, same with Lodolo.

Friedl had a great track record of hitting major league left handed pitching? Double A maybe...

I'd pick apart the rest of your hideous argument but it's not worth it after reading you would take Dave Miley over Bell. That's foolish...You take Price over him too?

Another Cincy fan with no clue what they are talking about. Playoffs last year, winning record this year with a God awful bullpen and tons of injuries (Votto,Castellanos,Winker,Gray,Antone,Sims). You are clueless.

To be clear, you want to fire a winning manager for Dave Miley. You want Friedl getting key at-bats and Shogo Akiyama playing daily. Sounds like a winning recipe.


You’re both partially correct. Friedl should’ve been allowed to hit last night mostly because Asdrubal Cabrera is like 0-30 with the Reds. Batting him in any situation is just stupid

Miley and Vlad have clearly run out of gas. Neither can hit their spots

And Shogo Akiyama is the worst offensive position player in the MLB. He deserves zero at bats, Bell has handled him correctly. Let’s hope he’s homesick and opts to go back to Japan this off-season.

Injuries have killed us, Winker was the heart of the team imo. But Bell is still a bad manager, injuries don’t change that. He’s used Brad Brach in extra innings when guys like Wilson, Cessa, Givens were available. He’s mismanaged Barrero. Why call up your top SS prospect and not play him? It’s not like Suarez/Moustakas have tore it up. Play him at SS and move Farmer over.

marterburn
09-22-2021, 12:40 PM
David Bell has been extended for 2 years, per C. Trent Rosecrans.

Drew3000
09-22-2021, 12:47 PM
David Bell has been extended for 2 years, per C. Trent Rosecrans.

Last names go a long way in Cincinnati

Bhenry4
09-22-2021, 12:47 PM
If by some miracle Tingler keeps his job, then Preller has to go as well.

Flip024
09-22-2021, 01:45 PM
Doubtful. He is not at fault for Laureano being suspended, Bassitt taking a liner to the face, and having an inadequate number of BP arms. He won MOY three times, and as recently as 2018 for the A’s, lol…

Agreed. He's taken a lot of heat lately but they may have actually overachieved this season. That bullpen is the worst I've seen in a while, not a dependable arm in the bunch.

ter
09-23-2021, 05:22 AM
David Bell = Marvin Lewis
Bob Castellini = Mike Brown and family
Cincinnati fans = we are fine with mediocrity as long as the team stays.

cruiserdaddy7
09-23-2021, 01:27 PM
Castellini has been terrible, no doubt about it. Having kept Iglesias and Archie Bradley alone would have made a huge difference. Front Office and Ownership have destroyed this team.

Bell is an easy scapegoat if people don't want to dig deeper. The off-season moves killed this team. Look at the bullpen and infield alone coming into this season. Suarez and Moose were supposed to stick at 3rd and SS? Neither can hit, defend, and in the case of Moose stay healthy. Losing Winker for this extended absence has been the nail in coffin. Miley and Vlad are worn down/shot in the rotation now.

Simply not Bells fault.

As for pointing out having Greene and Lodolo....How many top 10 picks have we had that have turned into nothing? Senzel....Greene has a TJ surgery already and isn't big league ready. Hendricks sucks, traded away Josiah Gray for freaking Kemp/Puig.....I mean, it's bad if we really want to dive into it.

2022 looks even worse. Castellanos is GONE. Givens, Lorenzen gone from already horrible bullpen. Bell should have fired the Reds.

ter
09-23-2021, 02:41 PM
Castellini has been terrible, no doubt about it. Having kept Iglesias and Archie Bradley alone would have made a huge difference. Front Office and Ownership have destroyed this team.

Bell is an easy scapegoat if people don't want to dig deeper. The off-season moves killed this team. Look at the bullpen and infield alone coming into this season. Suarez and Moose were supposed to stick at 3rd and SS? Neither can hit, defend, and in the case of Moose stay healthy. Losing Winker for this extended absence has been the nail in coffin. Miley and Vlad are worn down/shot in the rotation now.

Simply not Bells fault.

As for pointing out having Greene and Lodolo....How many top 10 picks have we had that have turned into nothing? Senzel....Greene has a TJ surgery already and isn't big league ready. Hendricks sucks, traded away Josiah Gray for freaking Kemp/Puig.....I mean, it's bad if we really want to dive into it.

2022 looks even worse. Castellanos is GONE. Givens, Lorenzen gone from already horrible bullpen. Bell should have fired the Reds.

I agree with almost everything you have said. However answer this one question. If David Bell leaves does he get another major league managerial job?

awz50
09-23-2021, 03:13 PM
Doubtful. He is not at fault for Laureano being suspended, Bassitt taking a liner to the face, and having an inadequate number of BP arms. He won MOY three times, and as recently as 2018 for the A’s, lol…

Moy means nothing in the long run if you can't get a team over the hump

Melvin has proved he can't, even though it's not even close to all his fault

r0yals2012
09-24-2021, 02:03 AM
I wish Mike Matheny and the pitching coach Cal Eldred. Matheny does not know how to manage a bullpen or pitching staff in that matter. Now I realize how excited Cardinals fans were excited when he got fired


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cloakroom
09-24-2021, 02:43 AM
tingler is as good as gone. preller might be a year off too.

Timsterino
09-24-2021, 04:17 AM
Any thoughts?

Luis Rojas (he may get one more year with a full healthy squad)

Rojas isn’t getting one more year of anything. Trust that.

D-Lite
09-24-2021, 12:08 PM
Boone has to go I think. The pitching has honestly out performed considering all the injuries but they've essentially gotten full years out of Judge and Stanton and the are near break even in the run differential. Too many guys underperforming at the plate and the reeks of poor management.

roro17
09-25-2021, 04:31 PM
Boone has to go I think. The pitching has honestly out performed considering all the injuries but they've essentially gotten full years out of Judge and Stanton and the are near break even in the run differential. Too many guys underperforming at the plate and the reeks of poor management.

Aaron Judge and Stanton are way overrated