Kaboom and Downtowns are terrible investments.

[jeff152380]

Im not trying to offend anybody who like these. I am just trying to get a point across too people who dont get the front row seat I do by running a shop. The last two years these Panini unaccountable case hit cards are flying out of retail and hobby packs/boxes/cases. They are simply not rare. People need to wake up and see this. I feel there is going to be a huge market correction on these Panini unaccountable case hit cards when people see the flood. The numbered versions are fine, there is accountability... Any of the Panini so called case hit cards that are not numbered I have no trust in....

This being said I run a shop so if tomorrow walks in with a Kaboom I can resell, id buy it to resell, but I would not buy it to hold.... If I was a collector id wait it out to buy they guy you want when the prices come down.

If you dont like what I said, Im not trying to win your opinion. Im just trying to help people out who dont see through the panini fog.

[mnvikingstwins]

The good ones are the older products that (a) weren't in retail and (b) weren't rewards exclusive

[Pacmeyer]

Would anyone want them at all if they weren't rare/HTF/etc? Should color blast to the list.

[JMTerp]

It'll be interesting to see it play out down the line. My biggest questions are not regarding the unknown print run (but seemingly high) as much as it's about:

a) Are there enough people in the hobby 10-15 years from now who seek these out because they remember the "thrill" when they were a thing?

b) A large % of the downtowns/kabooms pulled are being slabbed: how many of those actually stay in circulation and how many slabs end up in row box PC's stashed away? That could equalize things back a bit regarding high print runs.

I think you're most likely right and they end up being bad long term investments in most cases but I'm not sure they crater completely.

[CanadianKid]

Kaboom

[rawkstar2k]

I don't know what Kaboom is doing in football, but in Basketball, 2013 Kaboom is constantly rising and will be one of the most iconic sets ever produced (in my opinion of course). These cards are super rare and there may be less than 75 of each card produced (I've seen that there were roughly 1500 cases of Innovation made that year, so 1500/20 is 75). I've been buying these cards for awhile and I have no plans to ever sell or trade them as there is a true finite production amount and the rise of other Kaboom sets just makes them more desirable.

[Siberian13]

I’ve wanted to add a Kaboom to my PC but there’s been so many listed I just keep passing on them. I’ll get one at some point

[Seahawks fan]

Other than Downtowns and Kabooms being pulled all day everyday across every social media platform. The other problem is the lack of player selection (Wilson has 4 years of Kabooms and 3 years of Downtowns) and the fact that Downtowns have a regular and Optic version. Both aspects really water down the "Rarity" to me.

[mcb0419]

It'll be interesting to see it play out down the line. My biggest questions are not regarding the unknown print run (but seemingly high) as much as it's about:

a) Are there enough people in the hobby 10-15 years from now who seek these out because they remember the "thrill" when they were a thing?

b) A large % of the downtowns/kabooms pulled are being slabbed: how many of those actually stay in circulation and how many slabs end up in row box PC's stashed away? That could equalize things back a bit regarding high print runs.

I think you're most likely right and they end up being bad long term investments in most cases but I'm not sure they crater completely.

This is similar to what I was thinking. Also, to point (a)- how will Panini's lack of license impact the demand/prices? Will it make them more desirable because there are no new versions coming out, or less because people are going to forget them outside of those with nostalgia for them?

[monkeymcgee]

Panini reminds me of the 90s companies. Print until people stop buying.

Good for you for calling this out.

[IlliniBear]

There’s a 50 card checklist this year so I actually dispute that these cards aren’t rare. Last year 114 Herbert base cards have been PSA graded.

I guess if retail ends up doubling the print run of these there could be a correction but only 114 PSA slabbed rookie Herbert Kabooms still seems pretty rare to me. But what do I know.

[jeff152380]

There’s a 50 card checklist this year so I actually dispute that these cards aren’t rare. Last year 114 Herbert base cards have been PSA graded.

I guess if retail ends up doubling the print run of these there could be a correction but only 114 PSA slabbed rookie Herbert Kabooms still seems pretty rare to me. But what do I know.

Im not going to look at all the pop reports, but if there is 114 PSA already
How many are in the other pop reports BGS/HGA/SGC?
How many are raw/in a pile waiting to be graded?
How many are still sitting in wax?
How could we possibly know with Panini not being accountable making these unnumbered..
Im going to guess this numbers is going to climb up into 500+ range which is rare in terms of how much product there is, but not for card selling for thousands.....

[IlliniBear]

Im not going to look at all the pop reports, but if there is 114 PSA already
How many are in the other pop reports BGS/HGA/SGC?
How many are raw/in a pile waiting to be graded?
How many are still sitting in wax?
How could we possibly know with Panini not being accountable making these unnumbered..
Im going to guess this numbers is going to climb up into 500+ range which is rare in terms of how much product there is, but not for card selling for thousands.....

By comparison there are 32 Herbert Color Blasts graded so those certainly are more rare.

You raise some interesting points and perhaps the new release Kabooms are a bubble. Particularly if they up the print run this year.

[Zauron]

Un-numbered inserts, I don't understand the appeal in dishing out thousands for them when you don't know the print run.

A Gold numbered to 10, awesome only 10 exist.

But paying thousands for a 2021 Justin Herbert un-numbered Kaboom seems ridiculous to me. Go buy a rookie auto instead.

[jjrpilot]

A friend just texted me that a Gold Kaboom Darnold just sold for 4k. Then today he's basically done for the season. Turns out that the seller apparently bought it for 10k.

10k to 4k to practically 0. Tough out there!

I guarantee you that the buyer will return it

[sportsfanatic]

$10K for a gold Darnold Kaboom? Yikes smh....

[rms13]

Would anyone want them at all if they weren't rare/HTF/etc? Should color blast to the list.

I want some because I think they look cool. I don’t have any because I won’t pay what most are asking. So I hope this market correction happens.

[rms13]

Un-numbered inserts, I don't understand the appeal in dishing out thousands for them when you don't know the print run.

A Gold numbered to 10, awesome only 10 exist.

But paying thousands for a 2021 Justin Herbert un-numbered Kaboom seems ridiculous to me. Go buy a rookie auto instead.

People pay stupid money for PSA Prizm base cards when PSA pop counts are already really high and there will probably be a lot more once PSA catches up. It’s all stupid.

[Donkaylove]

Other than Downtowns and Kabooms being pulled all day everyday across every social media platform. The other problem is the lack of player selection (Wilson has 4 years of Kabooms and 3 years of Downtowns) and the fact that Downtowns have a regular and Optic version. Both aspects really water down the "Rarity" to me.

you just said it, not rare/desired

[mike1498]

I’ve always been an auto guy (I’ll buy cards that are just patches if it says GU on the back). It blows my mind what non auto/ non patch cards in general go for. While I know in reality any autod card you’re paying for more than you would for just the auto, at least when I buy an autod card I feel like I’m buying something a bit more than cardboard. I don’t think I could convince myself to buy a non autod/ non patch card for over a few hundred. I will eventually do it I’m sure, but at least right now it’s a bit absurd

[Pacmeyer]

I want some because I think they look cool. I don’t have any because I won’t pay what most are asking. So I hope this market correction happens.

They're not ugly cards (I'd save that for color blast). However, can't help feeling that the majority of collectors clamoring for them wouldn't look twice if not for perceived rarity. I seem to remember lots of snickering at color blast then Spectra BKB came out and people wanted the cards. Only in a completely screwed up market would crap that looks like ads for Sherwin Williams be sought after.

[mike1498]

They're not ugly cards (I'd save that for color blast). However, can't help feeling that the majority of collectors clamoring for them wouldn't look twice if not for perceived rarity. I seem to remember lots of snickering at color blast then Spectra BKB came out and people wanted the cards. Only in a completely screwed up market would crap that looks like ads for Sherwin Williams be sought after.

Actually I like the look of the colorblasts. I just wouldn’t pay what the market rate is for them.

[kevbojones]

Pretty much anything from 2019 and newer is a terrible investment

[oldgoldy97]

Are Trout Updates rare?

[regularp]

Depends which ones you're buying and what grade. I'm not too keen on the 2018 ones since they were those Kaboom! packs with all sports in them but that is Brady's first one.

2019 and 2020 Brady Kaboom! cards are pretty tough grades so I think PSA 10s of those are very safe bets. Only 9 (out of 38) from 2019 and 11 (out of 53) from 2020. Condition sensitive cards almost always do well in the long term when you get gems.

[nabzy28]

Unnumbered anything that's claimed to be a 'case hit' is a land mine, especially when they're nothing more than a 'regular' type card. They could have stacks of these things just sitting in a drawer. (Probably do - why not - they know they're printing money.) I've thought this for quite some time. Now that they know they're losing licenses in a few years, I'd lean toward it being even more dangerous than ever to touch anything they're peddling as 'rare', if it's unnumbered.

[Dilemma90]

Rare or not, I think the art alone will make them collectible. They bring a hommage to the city that's player plays for which is super cool imo. aka Josh Allen having buffalos, and Niagara Falls in the background.

[cardsin47]

If they’re very in demand now, why wouldn’t that carry over into the future? Rarity is completely separate from supply and demand. You can own a card that’s 1 of only 8 in the world, and no one cares ……. Or you can own a card with 10,000 copies floating around in the market, and they sell instantly with continued price growth

[marinocollector]

Never go against the crowd. Popularity and nostalgia will always over rule everything.

One thing Panini has done that most card companies in the 90s failed to do is create a product that stands out, a brand that is immediately desirable, a product that will be loved by future generations, and uniformity across all three major sports.

The closest any brand has ever come to this is 70-80s Topps and 97-99 Fleer/Skybox. Fleer/Skybox was not popular among adult collectors the way these insert sets are now. In the 2000s, Bowman Chrome was King in baseball. In football, it was between SPA/Contenders. In basketball, it was Exquisite. Now we have ultra limited products known as "the best" among all sports. If a Kobe collector cant afford a Kobe Kaboom, they can get a Mahomes, if thats too expensive, maybe a Mike Trout? As people hop sports the perceived value goes up. There's too many products out there to know what to collect and what not to collect, Kabooms, Downtowns, and Gold Prizm simplify the hobby and make people spend the money necessary to own them.

Now the big thing? Ultra rare (less than 250 made) does not equate to valuable. And rare (250-500 made) does not equate to readily available. As time passes and the market does not jump as much, these cards will disappear. A card numbered to 10 is only as valuable as the 11 people who want to own it say its worth. Newer Kabooms are common compared to most insert sets and parallels, but a whole lot of people want them and love them.
The Golds and Greens have HUGE potential, but I dont see the Silvers slipping off any time soon. And with Panini era coming to an end soon, these will be the highlights of one of the greatest runs a card manufacturer has ever created for collectors.

[packman80]

Never a fan of Kaboom. Looks like a card made for a 7 year old to get them interested in cards.

[2010GBPackers]

OP, I get what you're saying but eventually, the market gets to determine whether these stay valuable or not. (And right now the Downtown inserts are far less sought after than Kaboom!) I used to think this was going to be a passing fad with the Kaboom! insert, but the average collector LOVES them. It's past being a pump and dump at this point, and the gold parallels /10 are the centerpiece of most player PC's now. You could convince me the Downtown's are overrated, especially since there are no gold parallels and Panini tried to replicate them with a dumb "On the Horizon" set, most of which are ugly.

I collect a lot of basketball and stayed away from the Kabooms mostly because of the cartoonish graphics of the early sets. It really wasn't until 2018 that Panini balanced the cartoon graphics with the realistic features of the player. If you look at the early Kaboom's, the enhancements of the player's physical features are so far off it's off-putting (to me). Since 2018 though, it's been a much different set and luckily that was football's first year of them. To me, they're limited enough and have the attention of every collector - from the casual to the high-end - to have staying power. And the gold parallels? Good luck ever finding a decent player for under $3k.

[FinSoonerGMG]

this thread in the box breaks section is a great example: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1493465

No different than the "rare" NFT that someone overpays for

[DetroitFan14]

This is where I’m at - specifically re: kabooms and I’ll use Brady Kabooms as that’s what I collect and am most familiar with.

I find them appealing….at say like… $700-$1000. Some of these are fetching 4-10K.

And for that reason, I’m out. Much better ways to spend that type of money in this market. Give me a rookie auto that he actually touched, handled, signed OR a premium game used patch. All of those scream better value to me - so that’s what I continue to go after.

[marinocollector]

OP, I get what you're saying but eventually, the market gets to determine whether these stay valuable or not. (And right now the Downtown inserts are far less sought after than Kaboom!) I used to think this was going to be a passing fad with the Kaboom! insert, but the average collector LOVES them. It's past being a pump and dump at this point, and the gold parallels /10 are the centerpiece of most player PC's now. You could convince me the Downtown's are overrated, especially since there are no gold parallels and Panini tried to replicate them with a dumb "On the Horizon" set, most of which are ugly.

I collect a lot of basketball and stayed away from the Kabooms mostly because of the cartoonish graphics of the early sets. It really wasn't until 2018 that Panini balanced the cartoon graphics with the realistic features of the player. If you look at the early Kaboom's, the enhancements of the player's physical features are so far off it's off-putting (to me). Since 2018 though, it's been a much different set and luckily that was football's first year of them. To me, they're limited enough and have the attention of every collector - from the casual to the high-end - to have staying power. And the gold parallels? Good luck ever finding a decent player for under $3k.

this. Honestly, as one of the "old guard" I was against the Kaboom thing. But after watching the silver Marino sell above $200 for several months, I made a deal on a gold for a little over double the going rate of the silver. Figured, worse case, if I was buying one, might as well get the limited version.

That thing has gotten an insane amount of love on IG. More so than 1/1s and other high end autos and patches I own

[21stguy]

Im not going to look at all the pop reports, but if there is 114 PSA already
How many are in the other pop reports BGS/HGA/SGC?
How many are raw/in a pile waiting to be graded?
How many are still sitting in wax?
How could we possibly know with Panini not being accountable making these unnumbered..
Im going to guess this numbers is going to climb up into 500+ range which is rare in terms of how much product there is, but not for card selling for thousands.....

Shouldn‘t forget about how many have been cracked and resubbed.

Not sure about previous years but a 10 Kaboom isn‘t exactly a common card, sorry to disappoint. I‘ll check how many new Herbert and Burrow Kabooms have been added to the PSA pop report in past months when I get a chance.

[mikee1186]

Good points OP as the market will continue to be flooded with more and more case hits, often with repeat players, with print runs constantly creeping up. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. At some point after many years and many products, I suspect they will feel a lot more common and may lose some of their luster.

I know this is the football section but I'd love to get an opinion on one. I pulled a Morant downtown from a Prizm Draft cello last year. I somehow got economy sub back in 9 months and it graded PSA 10. There are a few others out there right now and they are going for $800-1000 but my plan for now was to hold because 1) he's a stud, 2) his only other downtown version is the very rare One & One, and 3) mine is a 2nd year card and if his trajectory continues, even if he eventually has other downtowns, they will be later years and likely have higher print runs. I realize he has a few different Kabooms already also but the downtown market seems to be somewhat distinct from that. Any thoughts on selling now vs. holding?

[JeremyNick]

Case hits in general are becoming less and less desirable. Now products have multiple types of “case level” hits.

[Fratboy]

Kaboom and Downtown are def not as rare as 2020 Luminance Shining Stars.

It's hard as hell to track all of those down. I like some Kaboom though.

[TheFrenzy]

Unnumbered anything that's claimed to be a 'case hit' is a land mine...

It's what really holds back the prices on Prizm Red & Blue SSPs and Optic Teal Velocity SPs.

Absolutely beautiful cards and legitimately rare too. But the lack of numbering holds prices back.

[TheFrenzy]

Kaboom and Downtown are def not as rare as 2020 Luminance Shining Stars.

I just can't take Shining Stars seriously.

Every time I see this...
https://i.imgur.com/VnY4Un9.png?1

...I immediately think of this.
https://i.imgur.com/uqoQNmp.png?1

uLeAot4Zrxo

[blockedbyjames]

Using pop reports of '19, '20 or '21 rookies as a judgment for rarity is not good advice. Those reports will not generally show a realistic population estimate for at least 2 years. There are still legions of cards at PSA, BGS, etc. and sealed.

[oldgoldy97]

Never a fan of Kaboom. Looks like a card made for a 7 year old to get them interested in cards.

So it didn’t work.

Boom.

Roasted.

[bloodwings19]

I love it, but I don't own any as of now because price is madness. I regret not buying the Kaboom here and on eBay, it was selling around $25-$100 when it first came out on non-hot players (Neymar, Bo Bichette, Vladdy). The one you get from Panini packs from Panini points. I used to own 2 2021 Downtown cards (baseball-no license), both appreciated in value when I last sold it in the summer. For the current price, it is not worth it.

[bamafan3559]

I want some because I think they look cool. I don’t have any because I won’t pay what most are asking. So I hope this market correction happens.

I own two that I bought in the offseason while prices were down (Tua and Derrick Thomas). I looked up prices for Mac Jones a couple of days ago and as much as I love the guy as a player there's no way I'm spending multiple thousands on one when they are everywhere.

[bamafan3559]

This is where I’m at - specifically re: kabooms and I’ll use Brady Kabooms as that’s what I collect and am most familiar with.

I find them appealing….at say like… $700-$1000. Some of these are fetching 4-10K.

And for that reason, I’m out. Much better ways to spend that type of money in this market. Give me a rookie auto that he actually touched, handled, signed OR a premium game used patch. All of those scream better value to me - so that’s what I continue to go after.

This is pretty much where I'm at unless it's a numbered version. I would probably be willing to bump that up for Downtowns because of the art, but not by too much.

[21stguy]

So within roughly 5 months, the graded Kabooms went from 450 to 850, gem rate stayed same. Since beginning of September (700), there haven't been really graded that many, I think that does give you an idea about what's going to happen, especially given Absolute isn't exactly the wax people are holding for longterm. Gem rate staying pretty similar over the course of 5 months too.

Given that, I'd doubt you'll see 500+ per card.

https://i.ibb.co/F4DfLg8/2020-kaboom.png

[mfisher27]

this thread in the box breaks section is a great example: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1493465

No different than the "rare" NFT that someone overpays for

What does a pack out error prove?

[rms13]

I own two that I bought in the offseason while prices were down (Tua and Derrick Thomas). I looked up prices for Mac Jones a couple of days ago and as much as I love the guy as a player there's no way I'm spending multiple thousands on one when they are everywhere.

As a Pats fan I’d rather spend those thousands on whatever the best Brady card is I could get for that money. I love Mac but not enough to spend thousands on a kaboom.

[cardsin47]

OP - these cards are wildly popular. I understand your store let you realize there are more being produced than most if not all people think —/ but if the supply/demand ratio still has the cards appreciating, I would challenge your notion that they are therefore a “terrible investment”

…and I collect wax, so don’t even know if I own any
A better terrible investment example would be a stack of PSA 2 Ryan Leaf 2nd year Cards :cool:

[CoronaBowl LV]

Un-numbered inserts, I don't understand the appeal in dishing out thousands for them when you don't know the print run.

A Gold numbered to 10, awesome only 10 exist.

But paying thousands for a 2021 Justin Herbert un-numbered Kaboom seems ridiculous to me. Go buy a rookie auto instead.

Your logic is sound.

[altaeria]

Their understated elegant design makes them timeless.

[Einstein43]

So I recently received back my 2018 Peyton Manning kaboom from psa …. PSA 10 - bought for $35 raw payed $105 after upcharges - current value 1.8k - 2k - can’t complain

[vthobby]

Are Trout Updates rare?

oldgoldy97 famous quote on his signature: You know who doesn’t worry about wining? Losers."



What is Wining anyways? lmao

I can't believe this guy's quote has not been corrected.....until he sees this!

LMAO! :doh:

[Fratboy]

oldgoldy97 famous quote on his signature: You know who doesn’t worry about wining? Losers."



What is Wining anyways? lmao

I can't believe this guys quote has not been corrected.....until he sees this!

LMAO! :doh:

We were going to see how long it took him to figure it out...

oh well

[vthobby]

We were going to see how long it took him to figure it out...

oh well

He will probably try and correct a word that is correctly spelled......although there are not that many words..... the fact that he ended it with "Losers"
made me almost p - ss my pants! LMAO

Sorry to point his idiocy out to him! Maybe he will miss this? lol

:cool:

[vthobby]

Never go against the crowd. Popularity and nostalgia will always over rule everything.

One thing Panini has done that most card companies in the 90s failed to do is create a product that stands out, a brand that is immediately desirable, a product that will be loved by future generations, and uniformity across all three major sports.

The closest any brand has ever come to this is 70-80s Topps and 97-99 Fleer/Skybox. Fleer/Skybox was not popular among adult collectors the way these insert sets are now. In the 2000s, Bowman Chrome was King in baseball. In football, it was between SPA/Contenders. In basketball, it was Exquisite. Now we have ultra limited products known as "the best" among all sports. If a Kobe collector cant afford a Kobe Kaboom, they can get a Mahomes, if thats too expensive, maybe a Mike Trout? As people hop sports the perceived value goes up. There's too many products out there to know what to collect and what not to collect, Kabooms, Downtowns, and Gold Prizm simplify the hobby and make people spend the money necessary to own them.

Now the big thing? Ultra rare (less than 250 made) does not equate to valuable. And rare (250-500 made) does not equate to readily available. As time passes and the market does not jump as much, these cards will disappear. A card numbered to 10 is only as valuable as the 11 people who want to own it say its worth. Newer Kabooms are common compared to most insert sets and parallels, but a whole lot of people want them and love them.
The Golds and Greens have HUGE potential, but I dont see the Silvers slipping off any time soon. And with Panini era coming to an end soon, these will be the highlights of one of the greatest runs a card manufacturer has ever created for collectors.

I just fell off my chair!

This at the end:

"And with Panini era coming to an end soon, these will be the highlights of one of the greatest runs a card manufacturer has ever created for collectors."

I literally fell off my chair and almost choked out! :doh: :eek:

The only way that makes any sense at all is if you take the word "collectors" out and insert "hobby dealers".

Did Trump write that last sentence? lmao

:doh::eek:

[marinocollector]

I just fell off my chair!

This at the end:

"And with Panini era coming to an end soon, these will be the highlights of one of the greatest runs a card manufacturer has ever created for collectors."

I literally fell off my chair and almost choked out! :doh: :eek:

The only way that makes any sense at all is if you take the word "collectors" out and insert "hobby dealers".

Did Trump write that last sentence? lmao

:doh::eek:

If you are capable of having an intelligent adult conversation about this I’m game.

[vthobby]

If you are capable of having an intelligent adult conversation about this I’m game.

You'd need 2 adults who actually care about what you wrote so good luck with that.

:cool:

[TimBuckTwo]

I always thought Kabooms were the bomb

[Archangel1775]

The inconsistency between ratios and sports has kept me away from them although the 2018 Lamar Jackson 1/1 that I didn't buy for $300 seems like a steal today :)

[oldgoldy97]

Signature updated to an even bigger fail.

[packman80]

So it didn’t work.

Boom.

Roasted.

If you consider that roasted I feel for your sense of humor.

[bks14sr]

Kaboom and Downtowns are unique, beyond a serial number. It’s hard to keep getting excited for a different color refractor with a low sn. One of the only modern parallels I chase, which makes me bias. I actually hoard a few player’s downtown cards.

[seth2720]

like everything else. they're overprinting since demand is high. that will bring down the value as more and more are put out . just buy the older ones i guess those are the better investments although the value of those may get hurt too, but not as bad.

[marinocollector]

Signature updated to an even bigger fail.

Well played

[actionbryan]

I bought 1 today just to have one .

[mfw13]

I want some because I think they look cool. I don’t have any because I won’t pay what most are asking. So I hope this market correction happens.

I'm pretty much in the same place.

I've got three Kabooms in my PC, all from 2018 (Jerry Rice, Klay Thompson, and Cristian Pulisic), since that's the only design I really like.

Have no desire to buy any other players at current prices....

[thecardscout]

colorblast are the most rare of the inserts. I think Color blast are HEAVILY UNDERVALUED

[Pacmeyer]

colorblast are the most rare of the inserts. I think Color blast are HEAVILY UNDERVALUED

Downtown... nod to players' hometowns.
Kaboom... nod to comic book art.
Color blast... nod to community college graphic design class.

[YayNJ]

Panini reminds me of the 90s companies. Print until people stop buying.

Good for you for calling this out.

You act as if Topps aren't printing 20+ parallels for each card these days too lol

[mcb0419]

Downtown... nod to players' hometowns.
Kaboom... nod to comic book art.
Color blast... nod to community college graphic design class.

Has anyone else seen the fake/custom Color Blast that are on Facebook Marketplace? I just found a Brady Bucs one- it says Legacy Collectibles- Color Blast on the back

[monkeymcgee]

You act as if Topps aren't printing 20+ parallels for each card these days too lol


I don’t know—it seems like Topps is as least a little embarrassed about it. Panini doesn’t even stick serial numbers on most of the bs parallels they spew out. Lol


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[Seahawks fan]

I don’t know—it seems like Topps is as least a little embarrassed about it. Panini doesn’t even stick serial numbers on most of the bs parallels they spew out. Lol


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This isn't 2012 anymore... there is no lesser evil these days...It's all the same crap.

This is what Football would look like if Topps was still in the game...and this pic isn't even the complete rainbows. 2015 Topps football was even worse with Regular, Chrome, Mini Chrome, SB anniversary set, 2 oversized sets, and 60th anniversary

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51675776233_1b2976a37e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mJpRVc)

[monkeymcgee]

This isn't 2012 anymore... there is no lesser evil these days...It's all the same crap.

This is what Football would look like if Topps was still in the game...and this pic isn't even the complete rainbows. 2015 Topps football was even worse with Regular, Chrome, Mini Chrome, SB anniversary set, 2 oversized sets, and 60th anniversary

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51675776233_1b2976a37e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mJpRVc)

I'm not going to argue that Topps is not lazy when it comes to design because they are, but those are not all from the same product. I agree though, they certainly are guilty of running the presses as well.

I can admit I have a big bias against Panini because they really ruined the Playoff brand which was a personal favorite, so I'm probably not being fair to them.

[TheFrenzy]

Panini's entire strategy in a nutshell:

B62ACxuq8Pw

(plus plagiarism)

[jplarson]

Panini's entire strategy in a nutshell:

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This is the way.

[oplum29]

Im not trying to offend anybody who like these. I am just trying to get a point across too people who dont get the front row seat I do by running a shop. The last two years these Panini unaccountable case hit cards are flying out of retail and hobby packs/boxes/cases. They are simply not rare. People need to wake up and see this. I feel there is going to be a huge market correction on these Panini unaccountable case hit cards when people see the flood. The numbered versions are fine, there is accountability... Any of the Panini so called case hit cards that are not numbered I have no trust in....

This being said I run a shop so if tomorrow walks in with a Kaboom I can resell, id buy it to resell, but I would not buy it to hold.... If I was a collector id wait it out to buy they guy you want when the prices come down.

If you dont like what I said, Im not trying to win your opinion. Im just trying to help people out who dont see through the panini fog.

i get what you're saying, and i agree, that these case hits being #'d would help out a lot, since we actually have zero clue as to how many were produced.

if Walmart got a case, then there's one. if Target got a case, that's another. if a card shop got 2, there's another 2 hits, it actually can become a little bit confussing i guess.

i don't agree with the crazy prices you are seeing for these cards, like $1000 for a "case hit" that isn't numbered, and i agree you'll see at some point a market correction, but not that much.

the only case hit i like so far is Element Nuclear, and i finally got my first one today! i didn't pay $800 or $1500 or whatever, i actually got it at a price i think they'll end up being at later on ($300).

the only other two Nuclear cards that interest me are the Brady and the Mac Jones, but i'm not paying over $1000 for those cards, that's insane.

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[oldgoldy97]

Think if Jambalayas were numbered. Then they might be worth something.

[YayNJ]

This isn't 2012 anymore... there is no lesser evil these days...It's all the same crap.

This is what Football would look like if Topps was still in the game...and this pic isn't even the complete rainbows. 2015 Topps football was even worse with Regular, Chrome, Mini Chrome, SB anniversary set, 2 oversized sets, and 60th anniversary

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51675776233_1b2976a37e_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2mJpRVc)

yeah but but panini!

[auburn35]

Thought this might be a good thread for this story.

Be careful where you buy your boxes (common sense) but specifically when chasing these downtown inserts.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CWN9DBzpyel/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[Pacmeyer]

Thought this might be a good thread for this story.

Be careful where you buy your boxes (common sense) but specifically when chasing these downtown inserts.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CWN9DBzpyel/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Better advice... don't buy boxes, from anyone/anywhere, with the expectation that anything good is inside.

[anusinha]

Better advice... don't buy boxes, from anyone/anywhere, with the expectation that anything good is inside.

same thing with absolute and kabooms

[jzx1103]

I also find Panini to be lazy, every year now the rare inserts a Kaboom, Downtown, Color Blast, with similar designs. It will no longer be special 20 years down the road if they literally make em every year. Most 90s rare inserts were actually unique and made for only 1 or 2 years and thats it. God I miss the late 90s early 2000s

[Bo knows]

Better advice... don't buy boxes, from anyone/anywhere, with the expectation that anything good is inside.

That’s my motto, well that and Everybody wang chung tonight

[seth2720]

I also find Panini to be lazy, every year now the rare inserts a Kaboom, Downtown, Color Blast, with similar designs. It will no longer be special 20 years down the road if they literally make em every year. Most 90s rare inserts were actually unique and made for only 1 or 2 years and thats it. God I miss the late 90s early 2000s

yes x10 . I only collect the 90's stuff and still love it. I was buying 90's boxes this summer and opening them in the park on sunny days listening to 90's music. Felt like 1995!

[bks14sr]

Making terrible investments. Decided I wanted a 2021 Downtown Barry, then the rabbit hole opened. Buying more if anybody has one.

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[westcm31]

Rare or not, I think the art alone will make them collectible. They bring a hommage to the city that's player plays for which is super cool imo. aka Josh Allen having buffalos, and Niagara Falls in the background.


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[Seahawks fan]

Think if Jambalayas were numbered. Then they might be worth something.

Is that really a good comparison? 1 in 720 hobby packs and something no one saw coming as a must have years later. Compared to Kabooms/Downtowns that can be found in mass produced retail and can be weighed to find. All of this during a inflated boom. I'm not saying they will be worthless just not the prices some are going for.

Production/Foresight
It's like the people who had no idea 80s Star Wars Toys would be worth money sealed. Then Episode 1 came out and everyone went out and bought the toys and kept them sealed thinking the same would happen (especially Darth Maul)... Years later they are still plentiful and the Darth Mauls Sealed are less now than what they cost 20 years ago despite Star Wars still being a popular commodity.

[49erRCCollector]

Is that really a good comparison? 1 in 720 hobby packs and something no one saw coming as a must have years later. Compared to Kabooms/Downtowns that can be found in mass produced retail and can be weighed to find. All of this during a inflated boom. I'm not saying they will be worthless just not the prices some are going for.

Production/Foresight
It's like the people who had no idea 80s Star Wars Toys would be worth money sealed. Then Episode 1 came out and everyone went out and bought the toys and kept them sealed thinking the same would happen (especially Darth Maul)... Years later they are still plentiful and the Darth Mauls Sealed are less now than what they cost 20 years ago despite Star Wars still being a popular commodity.

Right on. Whether is is mass produced toys, overprinted base PSA 10s - the real value will come from scarcity + nostalgia.

I like Kabooms/Color Blasts - just not at these prices/availability. Better to focus on stuff that is really cool and flying under the radar.

[marinocollector]

Is that really a good comparison? 1 in 720 hobby packs and something no one saw coming as a must have years later. Compared to Kabooms/Downtowns that can be found in mass produced retail and can be weighed to find. All of this during a inflated boom. I'm not saying they will be worthless just not the prices some are going for.

Production/Foresight
It's like the people who had no idea 80s Star Wars Toys would be worth money sealed. Then Episode 1 came out and everyone went out and bought the toys and kept them sealed thinking the same would happen (especially Darth Maul)... Years later they are still plentiful and the Darth Mauls Sealed are less now than what they cost 20 years ago despite Star Wars still being a popular commodity.

The Jambalaya was popular and valuable from the start. The 2000s and the GU/Auto movement "killed their long term potential." I would be shocked if any of the Downtown have a much higher production than the Jambalaya. Rumors swirl that less than 100 Jambalaya exist. I feel like that number is low as its based on the idea that an Essential Credentials (/81 x 80) comes one per 6 box case.

[marinocollector]

Right on. Whether is is mass produced toys, overprinted base PSA 10s - the real value will come from scarcity + nostalgia.

I like Kabooms/Color Blasts - just not at these prices/availability. Better to focus on stuff that is really cool and flying under the radar.

I use to think like this. The under the radar items tend to stay under the radar though. The top 90s inserts are still the top 90s inserts for all sports.

I cannot think of one 90s set that has "boomed" (outside of 1998 Topps Tek baseball) that was not a top 10 set at the time of release. Sure, things like 95 Z-Teams and most Pinnacle products that were hot have dropped, but the PMGs, the Rubies, Crusades, Mirror Golds, Legacy, Playmaker Theatre, Jambalaya, Cut Above, Super Raves they were all sets we knew about from the 90s. The issue? Everyone assumed they would always be readily available. The print runs are too low. We're talking about items with print runs like a t206 Wagner, lower availability than a 52 Topps Mantle. Anything that future generations deem as a "must have" will grow in value exponentially over time. The modern collector is beyond spoiled. Another good example? 2003-04 Exquisite. Base card /225. For a $500 pack, a base card /225 seemed common and was frowned upon at release. What was a few hundred dollar MJ is now a $3k+ iconic item.

[Grid]

I use to think like this. The under the radar items tend to stay under the radar though. The top 90s inserts are still the top 90s inserts for all sports.

I cannot think of one 90s set that has "boomed" (outside of 1998 Topps Tek baseball) that was not a top 10 set at the time of release. Sure, things like 95 Z-Teams and most Pinnacle products that were hot have dropped, but the PMGs, the Rubies, Crusades, Mirror Golds, Legacy, Playmaker Theatre, Jambalaya, Cut Above, Super Raves they were all sets we knew about from the 90s. The issue? Everyone assumed they would always be readily available. The print runs are too low. We're talking about items with print runs like a t206 Wagner, lower availability than a 52 Topps Mantle. Anything that future generations deem as a "must have" will grow in value exponentially over time. The modern collector is beyond spoiled. Another good example? 2003-04 Exquisite. Base card /225. For a $500 pack, a base card /225 seemed common and was frowned upon at release. What was a few hundred dollar MJ is now a $3k+ iconic item.

Meh. I totally get the "Top inserts stay top inserts things". Same with the top brands are always collected, like Flagship brands still are.

But what happens, when these inserts and brands die, like they will have to with the looming Fanatics takeover?

What happens once Panini is pushed out of the NBA/NFL, and there are no more Crusades inserts to chase? Will people still favor those older, now dead, sets of cards as much?

For football collectors, people seemed to jump from Topps Chrome (and all those parallels) to Prizim pretty fast, once they had no more Chrome to collect each year.

Same with Upper Deck SP Authentic, with was THE RC to collect for football. The brand is now dead, and outside of key cards for certain players (as is the case with anything) how many SP Collectors are out there?

The only hope, is Fanatics buying out or otherwise using these existing brands, to keep them alive. Without that, they will drop in value and fall into obscurity, just like the former hot sets of Pacific Private Stock and Collectors Edge Masters.

[49erRCCollector]

I use to think like this. The under the radar items tend to stay under the radar though. The top 90s inserts are still the top 90s inserts for all sports.

I cannot think of one 90s set that has "boomed" (outside of 1998 Topps Tek baseball) that was not a top 10 set at the time of release. Sure, things like 95 Z-Teams and most Pinnacle products that were hot have dropped, but the PMGs, the Rubies, Crusades, Mirror Golds, Legacy, Playmaker Theatre, Jambalaya, Cut Above, Super Raves they were all sets we knew about from the 90s. The issue? Everyone assumed they would always be readily available. The print runs are too low. We're talking about items with print runs like a t206 Wagner, lower availability than a 52 Topps Mantle. Anything that future generations deem as a "must have" will grow in value exponentially over time. The modern collector is beyond spoiled. Another good example? 2003-04 Exquisite. Base card /225. For a $500 pack, a base card /225 seemed common and was frowned upon at release. What was a few hundred dollar MJ is now a $3k+ iconic item.

I think we are saying the same thing here. I'm speaking relative to Kabooms, say. There are other sets/inserts that are desired and when I say they are flying under the radar I mean to say they are undervalued, not that they aren't desired right now.

Meh. I totally get the "Top inserts stay top inserts things". Same with the top brands are always collected, like Flagship brands still are.

But what happens, when these inserts and brands die, like they will have to with the looming Fanatics takeover?

What happens once Panini is pushed out of the NBA/NFL, and there are no more Crusades inserts to chase? Will people still favor those older, now dead, sets of cards as much?

For football collectors, people seemed to jump from Topps Chrome (and all those parallels) to Prizim pretty fast, once they had no more Chrome to collect each year.

Same with Upper Deck SP Authentic, with was THE RC to collect for football. The brand is now dead, and outside of key cards for certain players (as is the case with anything) how many SP Collectors are out there?

The only hope, is Fanatics buying out or otherwise using these existing brands, to keep them alive. Without that, they will drop in value and fall into obscurity, just like the former hot sets of Pacific Private Stock and Collectors Edge Masters.

Agree here - this is why my base PC has always been "top/most valuable rookies". I figure if the player has any historical significance, that card will never "go out of style". Moss' SP Auth will Always be the card for me (along with the not-really-a-true RC Contenders).

But for chase sets, Unless you have a gold or green Kaboom I'm not sure what you have there long term. I could be wrong.

[marinocollector]

Meh. I totally get the "Top inserts stay top inserts things". Same with the top brands are always collected, like Flagship brands still are.

But what happens, when these inserts and brands die, like they will have to with the looming Fanatics takeover?

What happens once Panini is pushed out of the NBA/NFL, and there are no more Crusades inserts to chase? Will people still favor those older, now dead, sets of cards as much?

For football collectors, people seemed to jump from Topps Chrome (and all those parallels) to Prizim pretty fast, once they had no more Chrome to collect each year.

Same with Upper Deck SP Authentic, with was THE RC to collect for football. The brand is now dead, and outside of key cards for certain players (as is the case with anything) how many SP Collectors are out there?

The only hope, is Fanatics buying out or otherwise using these existing brands, to keep them alive. Without that, they will drop in value and fall into obscurity, just like the former hot sets of Pacific Private Stock and Collectors Edge Masters.

Crusades were made in 1998. One time. The top reds /25 sold for 4 digits way before the 2013 ones started popping up.

Topps Chrome has exploded in value. Along with Finest Refractors, Topps black /57 or less.

SPA is still very popular. Very coveted for top players. In all sports. Look at Brady SPA /1350 compared to lower or similar print runs. P Mann too. Rodgers SPA is his best RC by miles. Stafford is doing well, even though NT and Exquisite are both the preferred cards. Same thing with AP and Calvin J. 2006-2009 SPA died the same was 2002 and 2003 SPA died by 2009, weak rookie classes hurt the sets. SPA was a rookie card base set. Live by the best, die by the best. You can't complain 2006 SPA isnt as loved when the only draw was the rookies.

Also, Pacific's only hot set ever was 1999 base set bc of Warner for 3 months.

Edge was even worse.

And to go back even more? The top 90s inserts are ALL FROM DEAD BRANDS.

Fleer Skybox went to bankruptcy in 2004, was bought by Upper Deck in 2005. Have not made any licensed cards for over 12 years. Made some "failed" college products including remakes of some of these brands, that were so underwhelming boxes went on clearance for football. Now, based on the popularity of the dead brands, theyve jumped in pricing.

[golfer59]

Bump. Curious peoples thoughts on this 2 years later. Seems like Kaboom and Downtown have proven to be popular investmens with low pops.

[ArmyDC]

Better advice... don't buy boxes, from anyone/anywhere, with the expectation that anything good is inside.

I used to chase Kaboom and downtowns but never pulled any.

I have only been buying older stuff on eBay when I can find it. I have been extremely lucky lately with 2007 products, I pulled a Gold Chrome Brady from 2007 Topps DPP and hit this one out of weird 2007 Bowman Chrome box that I won on EBay. I think it was retail because there were only three cards a pack?

https://flic.kr/p/2nzAG1x

[JoshAllen3000]

Bump. Curious peoples thoughts on this 2 years later. Seems like Kaboom and Downtown have proven to be popular investmens with low pops.

I sold a raw Kaboom Josh Allen for 2k thinking it was the peak... one sold for 4K yesterday :eek:

[golfer59]

I sold a raw Kaboom Josh Allen for 2k thinking it was the peak... one sold for 4K yesterday :eek:

Yeah a Josh Allen Kaboom raw sold for $4250 the other day. And psa 9’s i have been seeing going for $4500-5k in private sales and one on slabs for $4400. And dont even think about looking at PSA 10 prices. They are insane! It seems like these guys were way off with all the bashing of Kabooms and Downtowns. The low supply and cool art has made it a very desirable product it seems like.

[bcmora]

Soooo, in 2022 we see second year 2021 Kaboom cards of Herbert & Burrow going at astronomical non-rookie card values...

[bcmora]

The Kabooms are the most high end art-like cards in my opinion with a super hero vibe on top of it. I think they will continue to hold & grow value due to the attraction to many non-sports people in addition to the fraternity... Equating our cards to art is the quickest way to Big Value Growth.

[Zauron]

The Kabooms are the most high end art-like cards in my opinion with a super hero vibe on top of it. I think they will continue to hold & grow value due to the attraction to many non-sports people in addition to the fraternity... Equating our cards to art is the quickest way to Big Value Growth.

I would rather have a Prizm Gold than a Kaboom insert

[golfer59]

The Kabooms are the most high end art-like cards in my opinion with a super hero vibe on top of it. I think they will continue to hold & grow value due to the attraction to many non-sports people in addition to the fraternity... Equating our cards to art is the quickest way to Big Value Growth.

I agree with this whole heartedly. People love the art and I mean love it. You combine that with the low pop numbers and you have a homerun. Old school collectors dont like them cause they arent old school looking cards. Which was probably why there was all the bashing a few years ago in this thread. A lot of The OG collectors dont like change or something different and these kabooma are cool, young and vibrant. All these young kids coming in with there crypto money really bothers some of the old school guys.

[49erRCCollector]

The Kabooms are the most high end art-like cards in my opinion with a super hero vibe on top of it. I think they will continue to hold & grow value due to the attraction to many non-sports people in addition to the fraternity... Equating our cards to art is the quickest way to Big Value Growth.

I agree with this whole heartedly. People love the art and I mean love it. You combine that with the low pop numbers and you have a homerun. Old school collectors dont like them cause they arent old school looking cards. Which was probably why there was all the bashing a few years ago in this thread. A lot of The OG collectors dont like change or something different and these kabooma are cool, young and vibrant. All these young kids coming in with there crypto money really bothers some of the old school guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIdsjNGCGz4&t=88s

[golfer59]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIdsjNGCGz4&t=88s

Hahahaha..😂😂

[49erRCCollector]

Hahahaha..😂😂

Lol. Just having fun with you guys.

[golfer59]

Lol. Just having fun with you guys.

I love it..it was funny stuff!

[bcmora]

Wicked cool, man...

Now, if you don't mind, I'm gonna go park my car in the barn and get a drink at the bubbla...

[Stifle]

Not intoKabooms.

[golfer59]

Not intoKabooms.

I wasnt’t at first either but then they started to grow on me. Kabooms, Downtowns and Stained glass. The art is cool. The pop is low and the constant grind higher in market value is ever so appealing.

[Archangel1775]

If you can get a good deal on Kabooms and Downtowns, hold long term. Golds will do really well. Just don’t overpay for the newer ones

[Ruffy]

a point to add: Panini (probably) didn't think these were going to be all that valuable. At first they really weren't. Then a few years ago they just took off. Market speaks. With that said, they're ovverrated.

[Archangel1775]

Seriously, to get a pulse of the hobby for the young generation, watch the card collector guy with the shop on YT and see what they are excited about. I can’t point anything out specifically but I’m sure the Downtowns and Kabooms are one of the inserts

[mfw13]

Would anyone want them at all if they weren't rare/HTF/etc?

Because the like the design(s).....

I've got several Kabooms that I would like to add to my collection if the price (ever) drops to a level that is within my budget.

[49erRCCollector]

I don't mind the Kabooms. Especially the golds. I think they are well-designed, love the font, etc. They just don't speak to me enough to pay for them. But I get why they are popular.

Downtowns I don't think look all that great tbh. I don't get the allure.

I agree with this whole heartedly. People love the art and I mean love it. You combine that with the low pop numbers and you have a homerun. Old school collectors dont like them cause they arent old school looking cards. Which was probably why there was all the bashing a few years ago in this thread. A lot of The OG collectors dont like change or something different and these kabooma are cool, young and vibrant. All these young kids coming in with there crypto money really bothers some of the old school guys.

I think this is an incorrect take. You gotta figure old school collectors - and I'm saying 80s kids/90s collectors loved the PMGs with Emmitt in a jet pack and all that silly stuff. That's just one example. Shiny, cartoon stuff, that IS 90s. The reason Kabooms and Downtowns exist is to CATER to old school collectors. There's endless cartoon/shiny cards throughout the 90s. It's stoking the nostalgia flame.

Maybe Mickey Mantle guy hates Kabooms, but he probably hates PMGs and Rubies, too. He also wants you to get off his lawn.

Also, believe me, no one cares whether people are coming to the hobby with crypto money or tech money or whatever. It's all currency at the end of the day.

The Good Will Hunting clip I posted above - my joking way of saying that the "old guys don't like young crypto guys deciding what's cool" and "cards as art" hot take feels ripped from card-guy social influencer speech. I've heard it verbatim on IG. Word for word. It may get 'follows' for those dudes, not so sure it's accurate.