Zimmer and Spielman out!

[oldgoldy97]

Thank you.

Who’s in?

[Boo]

Don Cousins

[oldgoldy97]

There was talk of getting Tomlin back out of the Pitt black hole.

[Viking6]

I am going to miss Spielman and his draft day trades. That was always fun.

Zimmer needed to go. It was his time

[oldgoldy97]

I’m actually hoping for Byron Leftwich, aka Forrest Whitaker’s illegitimate son.

[longhornjunkie]

Zimmer back as Cowboys DC if someone poaches Quinn?

[byronscott4ever]

Just let them search league wide and not do in-house for both, for starters

[JeremyNick]

There was talk of getting Tomlin back out of the Pitt black hole.

Why would he leave a stable organization for Minny? That’s like moving from a penthouse to section 8.

https://c.tenor.com/MH6f5Y-LxuYAAAAM/itadoriminaj.gif

[Viking6]

There was talk of getting Tomlin back out of the Pitt black hole.

I don't see that happening. It would cost Minnesota a 1st round pick + to trade for him anyways. I don't wanna do that.


I kind of want Harbaugh.

[oldgoldy97]

Flores fired.

Bring him in.

[Rememberthepast]

The Vikings definitely have talent with some saying the QB spot is the weakest link. Overall though I think is a great place for an offensive coordinator. Of the three below, i don’t know who would be better suited to be a head coach. Many thought Josh McDaniels would do well, too.

Kellen Moore
Byron Leftwich
Eric Bieniemy

[CC_123]

We need an offensive minded HC in here. Doug Pederson, Kevin O'Connell, Mike McDaniel should be getting hard looks. I am a big fan of hiring Kris Richard as the DC. He is young and was fired prematurely from Seattle. He was a huge reason that defense was good from 2012-2017. They fell off after they fired him. Vic Fangio would be cool as a DC too, but Richard is the top guy I want.

[Rememberthepast]

With Nagy out too, would you rather coach the Vikings or Bears based on current talent?

[byronscott4ever]

With Nagy out too, would you rather coach the Vikings or Bears based on current talent?

Just on these two (more fires coming I’m sure), I think MN by a bit

[CC_123]

Just on these two (more fires coming I’m sure), I think MN by a bit

I don't even think it's close. The Vikings offensive talent far outweighs the Bears. That alone will be attractive enough to get a top HC here. The Vikings are likely the top destination on the market for a HC. They should be able to get "their" guy.

[oldgoldy97]

With Nagy out too, would you rather coach the Vikings or Bears based on current talent?

Offense: Vikes
D:Bears

Overall: Vikes

[JeremyNick]

Flores fired.

Bring him in.

Another Belicheck disciple success.

When will teams learn?

[Rememberthepast]

I don't even think it's close. The Vikings offensive talent far outweighs the Bears. That alone will be attractive enough to get a top HC here. The Vikings are likely the top destination on the market for a HC. They should be able to get "their" guy.

Offense: Vikes
D:Bears

Overall: Vikes

I agree with both of you. Of the four open spots (Min, Chi, Den, & Jax) Minnesota clearly wins out in my book. Is the defense one coach away or a couple players away from being better?

Looking around the league, maybe Seattle opens up, Las Vegas, Carolina and the Giants, none of those have what Minnesota has right now.

[byronscott4ever]

I don't even think it's close. The Vikings offensive talent far outweighs the Bears. That alone will be attractive enough to get a top HC here. The Vikings are likely the top destination on the market for a HC. They should be able to get "their" guy.

For the record, Vikings fan here, so I considered that it’s possible that the Vikings clean out players like Cousins, Hunter, Barr…

[Dbacksbaseball]

I don't even think it's close. The Vikings offensive talent far outweighs the Bears. That alone will be attractive enough to get a top HC here. The Vikings are likely the top destination on the market for a HC. They should be able to get "their" guy.

Sure they have Jefferson who is elite and Cooks in his prime. But they don’t have a QB who can take them far.

The Bears have a young QB to look at and the next coach will also likely get some rope to work with, with a less talented roster.

Also bringing a winning team to chicago>bringing a winning team to Minnesota. Just fact. I have no horse in the race so just speaking objectively but it’s not a closed book the Minnesota is a preferred landing spot.

[Rememberthepast]

For the record, Vikings fan here, so I considered that it’s possible that the Vikings clean out players like Cousins, Hunter, Barr…

Cousins won’t go anywhere with one year left on his contract, at $35 million. So, he would have one year under a new HC to prove his worth.

[Rememberthepast]

I agree with both of you. Of the four open spots (Min, Chi, Den, & Jax) Minnesota clearly wins out in my book. Is the defense one coach away or a couple players away from being better?

Looking around the league, maybe Seattle opens up, Las Vegas, Carolina and the Giants, none of those have what Minnesota has right now.

Add in Miami and I would still take the Minnesota job. Tua isn’t worth it to me.

[longhornjunkie]

We need an offensive minded HC in here. Doug Pederson, Kevin O'Connell, Mike McDaniel should be getting hard looks. I am a big fan of hiring Kris Richard as the DC. He is young and was fired prematurely from Seattle. He was a huge reason that defense was good from 2012-2017. They fell off after they fired him. Vic Fangio would be cool as a DC too, but Richard is the top guy I want.

Better have some talent for Richard to work with, though. He was "passing game coordinator" in Dallas and fell off quickly. Not sure if it was the overall hierarchy or the talent or what, but his star fell here.

[Dolphinsfan1127]

Add in Miami and I would still take the Minnesota job. Tua isn’t worth it to me.

You'd rather take Kirk cousins over Tua?

[oldgoldy97]

Sure they have Jefferson who is elite and Cooks in his prime. But they don’t have a QB who can take them far.

The Bears have a young QB to look at and the next coach will also likely get some rope to work with, with a less talented roster.

Also bringing a winning team to chicago>bringing a winning team to Minnesota. Just fact. I have no horse in the race so just speaking objectively but it’s not a closed book the Minnesota is a preferred landing spot.

Fact?

Prove it.

[jplarson]

Offense: Vikes
D:Bears

Overall: Vikes

Yes, though Bears D going to be diminished some more as they shed veterans. Decent core, but guys like Mack, Quinn, and Hicks all in doubt.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Fact?

Prove it.

Well let’s look at qualifiers.

What city has won more championships? Chicago.

Population of the city played in

Minneapolis/ 420k
Chicago 2.7M

More Championships, More fans= More notoriety.

Don’t be upset because Minnesota is not a destination location. Same applies to several other city’s.

Always been known the winning in Philly, New York City, Chicago, LA is a bigger deal. Just because the Vikings are your team doesn’t make it not true.

[Hollywood42]

I'm iffy on moving on from Spielman, but he and Zimmer were a package deal. Don't think Zim was the biggest problem but it was his time, partially his fault and partially not

[Grid]

I agree with both of you. Of the four open spots (Min, Chi, Den, & Jax) Minnesota clearly wins out in my book. Is the defense one coach away or a couple players away from being better?

Looking around the league, maybe Seattle opens up, Las Vegas, Carolina and the Giants, none of those have what Minnesota has right now.

If we are just looking at rosters, I agree with all of you and say Minnesota is the better team.

But out of those 4, you would have to think Chicago is the sexiest destination for a HC. Beyond Chicago itself being the best place to live for the next few years. The lore of the NFL's charter franchise. But also the opportunity to develop a young QB. If you can make a winner out of the Bears, thats a huge plus on your resume.

You can develop a young QB in Jacksonville too. But, you know, Jacksonville.

Minnesota you are stuck with Captain Kirk for another year, and then rebuilding your offense again.

And Denver is a whole lot to take on. You really aren't working with much of anything there.

[Rememberthepast]

You'd rather take Kirk cousins over Tua?

Yes I would. I don’t believe Tua’s tool set is as good as Cousins. Plus, I don’t trust Tua can stay healthy. One year left with Cousins, or two to three years with Tua? I’ll take Cousins.

[Rememberthepast]

Minnesota basically has until 2025 to make the playoffs and do well with the current contract situation. Jefferson and Thielen both become UFA in 2025 with cook in 2026

[Rememberthepast]

For the record, I’m a Detroit Lions fan. Born and raised in the area and moving back soon. In my dreams of dreams, I hope Rodgers is done after this year. I hope Chicago hires Harbaugh and Minnesota screws the pooch in their HC and coordinator positions.

If Aaron Rodgers leaves after this season, Minnesota has to be the favorite for the next two to three years.

[CC_123]

Well let’s look at qualifiers.

What city has won more championships? Chicago.

Population of the city played in

Minneapolis/ 420k
Chicago 2.7M

More Championships, More fans= More notoriety.

Don’t be upset because Minnesota is not a destination location. Same applies to several other city’s.

Always been known the winning in Philly, New York City, Chicago, LA is a bigger deal. Just because the Vikings are your team doesn’t make it not true.

This is the dumbest thing I have read in a long time. That 1985 championship holds ZERO weight in today's game.

We can look at facts like this

Cousins > any QB the Bears have
Cook > Montgomery
JJ > Mooney
Thielen & KJ > any other WR the Bears have
Conklin > Kmet
Vikes OL > Bears OL (not by much)

Bears have a "better" defense but not by much. Guys like Smith, Kendricks, Hunter are better than anything the Bears have at those same positions. Head coaches dont go somewhere because it is a "destination". They go somewhere because they see the roster build up and talent and want to win a Super Bowl. As the rosters stand RIGHT now, the Vikings are closer to a Super Bowl than the Bears and that is what potential HCs care about.

[CC_123]

People also fail to realize that the Vikings are not going to pay Kirk 45 million next season. That is just the fact of it. Kirk is still performing at a high level. 4000+ yards, 30+ TDs, and 10 or less INTs is basically a lock yearly for him. The Vikings are going to restructure that deal, likely with a big signing bonus, to get that yearly number down in the low to mid 20s a year. Kirk wants to stay here so he isnt going to be stubborn and refuse a restructure.

[Dolphinsfan1127]

This is the dumbest thing I have read in a long time. That 1985 championship holds ZERO weight in today's game.

We can look at facts like this

Cousins > any QB the Bears have
Cook > Montgomery
JJ > Mooney
Thielen & KJ > any other WR the Bears have
Conklin > Kmet
Vikes OL > Bears OL (not by much)

Bears have a "better" defense but not by much. Guys like Smith, Kendricks, Hunter are better than anything the Bears have at those same positions. Head coaches dont go somewhere because it is a "destination". They go somewhere because they see the roster build up and talent and want to win a Super Bowl. As the rosters stand RIGHT now, the Vikings are closer to a Super Bowl than the Bears and that is what potential HCs care about.

1000% agree with this. No one cares about what you did 35 years ago, All every coach cares about is where the team is now, not 35 years in the past.

[oldgoldy97]

But, facts.

:rolleyes:

[CC_123]

Also the Bears and Vikings are likely going to have different outlooks on the next HC. Bears tried an offensive mind and it failed. They are likely to look at a defensive mind like Leslie Frazier or Brian Flores. Vikings tried the defensive HC and failed. They are likely looking for an innovative offensive mind to get the most out of the offense we currently have.

[Rememberthepast]

Maybe PJ Fleck will jump ship from University of Minnesota to the Minnesota Vikings!? Hahahhahahahah

I’m just jealous as a Lions fan that Minnesota is very close to being a contender with the division practically wide open for the taking (dependent on Rodgers returning). Right now Vikings have the 12th pick, a 2nd, 3rd, 5th and three 6th round picks.

[Jamesebee]

Population of the city played in

Minneapolis 420k
Chicago 2.7M

Don’t be upset because Minnesota is not a destination location. Same applies to several other cities.

Minor correction:

"[Minneapolis] is the 16th largest metropolitan statistical area with a population of 3,690,261 according to 2020 census estimate. The larger 21-county Minneapolis–St. Paul MN–WI Combined Statistical Area, which is also the 16th largest, has a population of 4,046,181 according to 2020 census estimates."

To verify, Chicago is ranked 3rd on this list, with 9.6 million in the metro area. Plenty of other markets (including Tampa, Charlotte, Denver, etc.) are ranked lower than Minneapolis if strictly measured by population size.

[oldgoldy97]

Minor correction:

"[Minneapolis] is the 16th largest metropolitan statistical area with a population of 3,690,261 according to 2020 census estimate. The larger 21-county Minneapolis–St. Paul MN–WI Combined Statistical Area, which is also the 16th largest, has a population of 4,046,181 according to 2020 census estimates."

To verify, Chicago is ranked 3rd on this list, with 9.6 million in the metro area. Plenty of other markets (including Tampa, Charlotte, Denver, etc.) are ranked lower than Minneapolis if strictly measured by population size.

Also, TC area is in the top 20 in median income.

Chicago isn’t.

[Eagle]

Ouch. Big changes on the horizon. Nothing like going into negotiations with your best player Jefferson, and being unsure who the next QB is.

[Highstubbs]

Priority Number 0ne and Two for next GM

Cousins cap number next year is 45mm
D Hunters is 26 MM

how those two items are figured out will directly impact the teams final record next year as much and any new HC will change the record.

[Viking6]

People also fail to realize that the Vikings are not going to pay Kirk 45 million next season.

This is the issue. I hope the team actually does pay him 45 million next year. Him and his agent have not done the Vikings any favors with his contract. If they lower his cap number next year to 30 mil it will just give him more fully guaranteed additional years on the contract.

Pay him 45 mil and be in cap hell for 2022 and just let him walk in 2023 and get a 3rd round comp pick and 45 mil in cap freedom.

[CC_123]

Priority Number 0ne and Two for next GM

Cousins cap number next year is 45mm
D Hunters is 26 MM

how those two items are figured out will directly impact the teams final record next year as much and any new HC will change the record.

The Cousins cap hit is easy, really? You give him a hefty singing bonus (I am not joking when I say $50 million) and then extend his contract out for 3 more seasons at $20-$23 million. Is he going to say no to $119 million guaranteed over the next 3 seasons? I doubt it. And since signing bonus doesnt go against the cap, this is the smartest way to go about it.

As for Danielle. I expect something similar. The Vikings arent going to pay a player who hasn't been healthy the last two season 26 million. They'll hit him with a signing bonus, extend his deal out 1-2 years and make him earn that big time deal

Rob Brzezinski has been a wizard with working these types of things out, so I put my full trust in his ability to do that again.

[CC_123]

This is the issue. I hope the team actually does pay him 45 million next year. Him and his agent have not done the Vikings any favors with his contract. If they lower his cap number next year to 30 mil it will just give him more fully guaranteed additional years on the contract.

Pay him 45 mil and be in cap hell for 2022 and just let him walk in 2023 and get a 3rd round comp pick and 45 mil in cap freedom.

There is no better alternative than Cousins for the Vikings right now. The best bet is to extend it and draft a rookie to develop behind him. Trading him is always on the table after next year if you do this. Playing out his deal at $45 million would be absolutely stupid for the Vikings to do and I highly doubt they do that

[majestik101]

The Vikes will still lose

[CC_123]

The Vikes will still lose

Shhhhh. Let us have hope.

[Highstubbs]

Sure they have Jefferson who is elite and Cooks in his prime. But they don’t have a QB who can take them far.

The Bears have a young QB to look at and the next coach will also likely get some rope to work with, with a less talented roster.

Also bringing a winning team to chicago>bringing a winning team to Minnesota. Just fact. I have no horse in the race so just speaking objectively but it’s not a closed book the Minnesota is a preferred landing spot.



Bonus against Da Bears is they do not have there 1st round draft pick next year. With the NFL being a what have you done for me lately...... losing the 6th-7th overall pick is not going to help them in their recruiting there next HC

[Viking6]

There is no better alternative than Cousins for the Vikings right now. The best bet is to extend it and draft a rookie to develop behind him. Trading him is always on the table after next year if you do this. Playing out his deal at $45 million would be absolutely stupid for the Vikings to do and I highly doubt they do that

How long are we gonna develop said rookie? If we restructure cousins he would be on a guaranteed contract paying him 35 million a year. His agent is not going to do us any favors playing on 20 mil cap charges. I will take that rookie making 1 mil and the savings to spend on the rest of the team. We can't win paying Cousins 35mil a season. We basically proved it the past 4 years. You are just setting up more of the same with a different coaching staff.

[JeremyNick]

The Cousins cap hit is easy, really? You give him a hefty singing bonus (I am not joking when I say $50 million) and then extend his contract out for 3 more seasons at $20-$23 million. Is he going to say no to $119 million guaranteed over the next 3 seasons? I doubt it. And since signing bonus doesnt go against the cap, this is the smartest way to go about it.

As for Danielle. I expect something similar. The Vikings arent going to pay a player who hasn't been healthy the last two season 26 million. They'll hit him with a signing bonus, extend his deal out 1-2 years and make him earn that big time deal

Rob Brzezinski has been a wizard with working these types of things out, so I put my full trust in his ability to do that again.

Signing bonuses 100% count agains the cap. They are spread out of the remainder of the deal for cap purposes. So $50 million signing bonus would count
16.6 million against the cap over 3 years plus the guaranteed salary for that season.

Nothing you posted makes sense though about a new Cousins contract.

[Highstubbs]

The Cousins cap hit is easy, really? You give him a hefty singing bonus (I am not joking when I say $50 million) and then extend his contract out for 3 more seasons at $20-$23 million. Is he going to say no to $119 million guaranteed over the next 3 seasons? I doubt it. And since signing bonus doesnt go against the cap, this is the smartest way to go about it.

As for Danielle. I expect something similar. The Vikings arent going to pay a player who hasn't been healthy the last two season 26 million. They'll hit him with a signing bonus, extend his deal out 1-2 years and make him earn that big time deal

Rob Brzezinski has been a wizard with working these types of things out, so I put my full trust in his ability to do that again.


So what with Cousins career record 59-62-1 gives you hope that he is finally ready to lead a team to the playoffs. The Vikings went 13-3 the year before he showed up.......yeah he has great stats but when does it finally show up where it matters? (Wins and loses) or are you a fan of great stats and not a super bowl contending team?

[lambeauleap87]

Cousins has been bending the Vikings over for awhile with these shorter-term guaranteed contracts; it gives him huge cap numbers and inflexibility to restructure (like now - they can't restructure, they have to extend). I don't expect that to change now - especially with his $45 million cap hit giving him additional leverage and the Vikings in a tougher, but not unmanageable cap situation for 2022.

Zimmer was the only coach in the NFCN that's been able to compete with the Packers for awhile, so I'm not sad to see him go. Just couldn't put it together consistently. I think Spielman wasn't bad either, the Vikings just never saw results. I think they're probably best off moving out of the Cousins purgatory and trying to retool the roster since they've seemed stuck in between for awhile now. That said, it becomes a lot harder to do if Rodgers leaves the North and no one looks like a contender there.

[CC_123]

How long are we gonna develop said rookie? If we restructure cousins he would be on a guaranteed contract paying him 35 million a year. His agent is not going to do us any favors playing on 20 mil cap charges. I will take that rookie making 1 mil and the savings to spend on the rest of the team. We can't win paying Cousins 35mil a season. We basically proved it the past 4 years. You are just setting up more of the same with a different coaching staff.

A rookie is gonna need to sit two years and learn, especially since this years class is weak overall at QB. But the Vikings arent going to pay Cousins 45 million next year. They have two options, which is trade him or restructure/extend. Paying 45 million isnt on the table. Chances are they restructure the deal to free cap space and sell Cousins on the idea that they need that cap to build an offensive line in front of him. Everyone thinks Cousins is greedy because he was offered guaranteed money and took it. Cousins has restructured previously to save some cap, no doubts he would do it again.

Cousins money is also not the reason we didnt win. The staffs inability to open up the playbook and adjust defensive schemes is why we didnt win. The last two years, Cousins led us to 8+ go ahead scores in the final 4 minutes of a game that we ended up losing. Not because of talent, not because of money, because of defensive schemes that failed. We have the talent with paying Cousins, they just weren't coached up.

[lambeauleap87]

A rookie is gonna need to sit two years and learn, especially since this years class is weak overall at QB. But the Vikings arent going to pay Cousins 45 million next year. They have two options, which is trade him or restructure/extend. Paying 45 million isnt on the table. Chances are they restructure the deal to free cap space and sell Cousins on the idea that they need that cap to build an offensive line in front of him. Everyone thinks Cousins is greedy because he was offered guaranteed money and took it. Cousins has restructured previously to save some cap, no doubts he would do it again.

This is just semantics/education, but they cannot restructure Cousins, they can only extend him since he only has one year left.

Players do not have to agree to restructures unless void years or new terms are added, so when you see teams restructuring deals (i.e., pushing cap hits into future years), it is almost always without the player's consent.

[CC_123]

So what with Cousins career record 59-62-1 gives you hope that he is finally ready to lead a team to the playoffs. The Vikings went 13-3 the year before he showed up.......yeah he has great stats but when does it finally show up where it matters? (Wins and loses) or are you a fan of great stats and not a super bowl contending team?

Oh, so wins and losses are QB stat? Not a team stat? Last time I checked QBs arent out there on defense blowing leads that you got them late in the game. Wins/losses for QBs is just as dumb of a stat as wins/losses for pitchers in baseball. The TEAM went 59-62-1, not Cousins.

2017 when we went 13-3 was also a perfect storm. Top defense in the league with an offense that only needed to score 20 to win. Look at what the Vikings offense has ranked since Cousins got here and what the defensive ranks have been and tell me which has been the problem over the last 4 years

[CC_123]

I'm not saying Kirk is the savior of Minnesota. I am saying they are going to have to extend him because they arent going to eat 45 million next year. Extending him doesnt mean he will be here past this next season (he's gonna be here anyways because a team isn't trading for him unless we eat part of that 45 mil) but get an offensive minded HC in here and see what happens with a proven QB. If it doesnt work out, there are plenty of teams that would trade for him after next season. But resorting to a journeyman or a rookie QB is just going to disgruntled Jefferson and he is going to force his way out

[packman80]

MN is not going to find a better QB the Cousins I expect him to sign something like a 4 year $140 million dollar contract ext.

[Highstubbs]

I hope you are right, bc in Cousins i see a guy that really is not interested in being a leader and figuring out how to win SB's what i see is guy who wants to collect paychecks nothing more. (imo)

[lambeauleap87]

I'm not saying Kirk is the savior of Minnesota. I am saying they are going to have to extend him because they arent going to eat 45 million next year. Extending him doesnt mean he will be here past this next season (he's gonna be here anyways because a team isn't trading for him unless we eat part of that 45 mil) but get an offensive minded HC in here and see what happens with a proven QB. If it doesnt work out, there are plenty of teams that would trade for him after next season. But resorting to a journeyman or a rookie QB is just going to disgruntled Jefferson and he is going to force his way out

If the Vikings give Kirk the deal you've suggested (with a $50 million signing bonus over three years), he would be a poison pill for Minnesota to deal because any remaining amount on the pro-rated signing bonus would be applied as a dead cap hit. So in this hypothetical, Minnesota would actually lose ~$34 million in cap space by having Kirk not play for them in 2023.

He's in a very tradable position right now (because he only has $10 million in dead cap if traded in '22), which is why I've seen his name come up to a team like Cleveland or Denver, who have the cap space and need to make it work.

[CC_123]

MN is not going to find a better QB the Cousins I expect him to sign something like a 4 year $140 million dollar contract ext.

This is what people dont realize. The alternative is ugly. One year with a different QB and people will be wishing Cousins was back.

Hell, Cousins had virtually the same stats that Favre had in 2009. Difference is, Favre was the QB of a team that had a capable defense. If the Vikings would have won 10 games this year (which they should have considering the defense blew games late against Detroit, Dallas, Arizona), Cousins would have been in MVP talks. They could have and probably should have been a 11+ win team. That's why blowing up the entire roster probably isnt the right move. If next year is a failure, then try it then.

[Highstubbs]

This is what people dont realize. The alternative is ugly. One year with a different QB and people will be wishing Cousins was back.

Hell, Cousins had virtually the same stats that Favre had in 2009. Difference is, Favre was the QB of a team that had a capable defense. If the Vikings would have won 10 games this year (which they should have considering the defense blew games late against Detroit, Dallas, Arizona), Cousins would have been in MVP talks. They could have and probably should have been a 11+ win team. That's why blowing up the entire roster probably isnt the right move. If next year is a failure, then try it then.

Here's the question to be asking, are a new GM/HC going to want to hitch their careers to Cousin's? Don't most new regimes want to bring in their "players/coaches"?

[Viking6]

He's in a very tradable position right now (because he only has $10 million in dead cap if traded in '22), which is why I've seen his name come up to a team like Cleveland or Denver, who have the cap space and need to make it work.

Cleveland actually makes a ton of sense to me if they did move him. Baker for Kirk swap with us tossing in some day 3 draft picks. We save 15-20 mil in cap space along with getting a QB for a year to show something or see what Kellen Mond has if Baker flops in the first 8-10 games.

[Viking6]

This is what people dont realize. The alternative is ugly. One year with a different QB and people will be wishing Cousins was back.


I don't believe Cousins is the problem. Him being paid as a top 5 QB is most definitely PART of the problem thou. The new thing of rolling with a young QB early to save cap space is 100% something the new GM/Coach needs to consider.

[lionsfan20]

Has cook even played a full season?? Jefferson is a stud. After that the roster is average at best. Hence the average season they had. I don't see minny as the top destination at all. Chicago, Miami, NY(if available) will all be more desirable for HC prospects. Maybe even Jacksonville simply due to Lawrence. Young talented QB is the most important piece to any franchise.

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[CC_123]

Has cook even played a full season?? Jefferson is a stud. After that the roster is average at best. Hence the average season they had. I don't see minny as the top destination at all. Chicago, Miami, NY(if available) will all be more desirable for HC prospects. Maybe even Jacksonville simply due to Lawrence. Young talented QB is the most important piece to any franchise.

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Well people who get paid to analyze these things disagree with you and see the Vikings as the top destination for a HC out there.

[f2tornado]

Cousins is statistically a Top 10 QB: 4th in passer rating, 15th in QBR, 9th yards, 9th TDs, only 7 picks...

The dude might not be Legend but he's plenty serviceable to go places. As others have noted, the defense is not what it once was.

[Grid]

This is the dumbest thing I have read in a long time. That 1985 championship holds ZERO weight in today's game.

We can look at facts like this

Cousins > any QB the Bears have
Cook > Montgomery
JJ > Mooney
Thielen & KJ > any other WR the Bears have
Conklin > Kmet
Vikes OL > Bears OL (not by much)

Bears have a "better" defense but not by much. Guys like Smith, Kendricks, Hunter are better than anything the Bears have at those same positions. Head coaches dont go somewhere because it is a "destination". They go somewhere because they see the roster build up and talent and want to win a Super Bowl. As the rosters stand RIGHT now, the Vikings are closer to a Super Bowl than the Bears and that is what potential HCs care about.

Meh, if anyone doesn't think the destination is important, they are wrong. It is all something to consider.

You are going to pull your kids out of school, and move to a new city. Are you going to look at your lifestyle in Jacksonville, and say its just as good as Chicago in one of the affluent neighborhoods around Halas Hall?

The 85 Bears were decades ago. And yet, they are still celebrated for their efforts to this day. That says a lot about the fandom in the city you would coach in.

Major markets have major opportunities outside being a coach. Think appearances, commercials and other things tied to it.

And when it comes to the roster, I don't think that plays much into anything, unless you have a marquee player on it. The reason that team fired the last coach, is because it wasn't working. If I am rebuilding a team, I am not looking to see what current players I can force into my new system. I'm more worried about draft picks, salary cap and things of that nature.

A hot HC is looking for opportunity. And landing the gig for the Bears, Giants or other major market teams is a big opportunity.

[oldgoldy97]

That’s why GB is a great landing spot. The big market.

If Chicago is a great spot why do they keep getting dogs as HCs?

[oldgoldy97]

Eerie.

[Grid]

That’s why GB is a great landing spot. The big market.

If Chicago is a great spot why do they keep getting dogs as HCs?

Because management picks the wrong people? That has nothing to do with talent not wanting to coach the Bears. But everything to do with the Bears being a poor judge of talent.

Show me one HC that refused to coach the Bears, and took a different HC job elsewhere.

[oldgoldy97]

Because management picks the wrong people? That has nothing to do with talent not wanting to coach the Bears. But everything to do with the Bears being a poor judge of talent.

Show me one HC that refused to coach the Bears, and took a different HC job elsewhere.

Show me one that turned down the Vikes.

I’m pretty sure Harbaugh told the Bears no. Just wasn’t broadcast.

Honestly, though, not many good coaches turn down any opportunity.

[Dbacksbaseball]

This is the dumbest thing I have read in a long time. That 1985 championship holds ZERO weight in today's game.

We can look at facts like this

Cousins > any QB the Bears have
Cook > Montgomery
JJ > Mooney
Thielen & KJ > any other WR the Bears have
Conklin > Kmet
Vikes OL > Bears OL (not by much)

Bears have a "better" defense but not by much. Guys like Smith, Kendricks, Hunter are better than anything the Bears have at those same positions. Head coaches dont go somewhere because it is a "destination". They go somewhere because they see the roster build up and talent and want to win a Super Bowl. As the rosters stand RIGHT now, the Vikings are closer to a Super Bowl than the Bears and that is what potential HCs care about.

Dumbest thing you read in a while?

You just virtually said coaching in the 3rd biggest market in the country isn't a pull.

You backed that up by saying 0 Championships are greater or equal to a championship.

Wild Logic. Yikes.

So lets look at all this other stuff.

Mind you I will once again say, I have been in every stadium in the NFC North, Love being in Minnesota, Love being in Green Bay, not so much Detroit or Chicago. I cheer for the 2nd worst team in the AFC (Texans). So I have no bias when it comes to this. Speaking as a fan of the game in general.

Cousins better then Fields. This year? Sure. Do we know what Fields is? If you say yes....you are lying. Meanwhile cousins is getting run out of town by fans. What are the Vikings without Cousins? According to the GB game last week......exceptionally bad. Remember the bears have more recently been to the playoffs (With Trubisky at QB) than the Vikings have with cousins.

Dalvin over Monty? Sure... on the surface Cooks is elite, Monty is in the 'good' tier. Cook has an injury history, and many people in the Vikings camp are publically questioning if they can get a return on Dalvin to take it and let Mattison run with the keys. I wouldn't consider Dalvin v Monty a decision that sways a coach to Minnesota over Chicago. RB's are a dime a dozen. (Cook 2nd rounder, Monty 3rd rounder in their respective drafts)

WR Ranks. Once again we barely know what the Bears young receivers are. For how bad the QB play was I really like Mooney.

So Jefferson (Elite), Mooney (Good Start), Thielen (Good but Aging-hurt-32 at the start of next year coming off surgery), Kmet, Irv Smith are probably the best 5 going forward.

If you want to argue 32 year old Thielen over 24 year old Mooney who just put in a 1000 yard season in that offense, it again is not a sway issue. The only potential sway would be coaching Jefferson....but do WR really have that pull? Last was maybe Randy Moss in NE?

OL--both bad.

D- Bears. Vikings have a lot of players that were great 4-5 seasons ago. Hunter, and Kendricks are about what's left and Hunter cant stay healthy.


So where's the difference? The difference is Kirk Cousins is a solid, but very unspectacular QB who takes the Vikings to the playoffs in 50% of his seasons. Nagy was prolifically one of the worst offensive play calling coaches the past few years and put a dual threat rookie QB into a mosh pit offense. He also somehow managed to put a Trubisky lead team into the playoffs, not once but twice (also 50% of his seasons). The Vikings haven't had a relevant playoff run since the Eagles smoked them in the Championship game in 2017/18 playoffs. What I am politely saying is both teams are not in a great spot and then you are left picking between the bright lights or the smaller market setting which is not going to be advantage MN.

[DontToewsMeBro]

By reading all these posts you'd think Kirk Cousins got fired and not Zimmer

Vikings are stuck with Cousins for one more year then buh-bye

After that? I just hope they don't trade historical places with the Lions or Jets

[lionsfan20]

Well people who get paid to analyze these things disagree with you and see the Vikings as the top destination for a HC out there.Yep. And people get paid to predict the weather wrong 50% of the time as well. Just because they get paid doesn't mean they are right. I can find professionals that say Minny isn't a top landing spot as well. Good luck!

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[CC_123]

Yep. And people get paid to predict the weather wrong 50% of the time as well. Just because they get paid doesn't mean they are right. I can find professionals that say Minny isn't a top landing spot as well. Good luck!

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How was your first game in the second week of January in the last three decades? Unfortunately it was just a regular season game since, ya know, the Lions are allergic to the playoffs and super allergic to division titles (I mean, you guys STILL haven't won a NFC North title).

What I do know, is the Vikings arent going to botch the hire like the Lions did with Patricia and then again with Campbell. Or maybe that is because coaches actually WANT to come coach here, unlike Detroit. "Good luck"

[Slette]

It's probably a bit early to be calling the Campbell hire a botch. Their record was far from spectacular, but those guys seemed to get up for every game this year.

[Grid]

It's probably a bit early to be calling the Campbell hire a botch. Their record was far from spectacular, but those guys seemed to get up for every game this year.

Yeah, I have read/heard the same things. The players like him, and they respect him. I don't think he is a bad coach, as the team shows up to play each week.

With that said, the team just isn't very talented. Swift is good, but outside of him, what do you have? I had to google who Amon-Ra St. Brown was. I guess he was their leading receiver.

Not a single Pro Bowler this year. Good coach, bad team. I'd give Campbell some time, more time than most, to see what he can do with a few more pieces in place.

[oldgoldy97]

I would guess Campbell would have tried at the end to get Jefferson the record unlike old grumpy pants Zimmer.

[Slette]

Yeah, I have read/heard the same things. The players like him, and they respect him. I don't think he is a bad coach, as the team shows up to play each week.

With that said, the team just isn't very talented. Swift is good, but outside of him, what do you have? I had to google who Amon-Ra St. Brown was. I guess he was their leading receiver.

Not a single Pro Bowler this year. Good coach, bad team. I'd give Campbell some time, more time than most, to see what he can do with a few more pieces in place.

That has to be concerning for Lions fans - to draft so high every season, and to have so little to show for it.