Is Philip Rivers a first ballot HOFer?

[cking]

Does Rivers get in on his first try?

[Maven]

6th all time pass yards and TD, 12th all time passer rating, but no MVPs or Super Bowls. I’d still give him the nod depending on who else is up for consideration.

[majestik101]

Maybe not on his first try, but he'll be in. The HOF would be wise to put him and Antonio Gates on the same ballot.

[oldgoldy97]

No...

[oplum29]

not 1st ballot, but he'll get in

[erock28]

To me it depends on the competition on the ballot. I personally would not consider him a first ballot guy, but numbers don't lie. His career relative to his era is similar to another SD QB, the Hall of Famer Dan Fouts. Lot of yards, lots of TDs, a few too many picks...couple years with MVP votes; yet no post season heroics. Fouts DID make it in on his first try, but his Legends score is pretty weak.

[Dallas Cowboys]

No he’s not a HOFer at all. Just a quarterback who put up big numbers in an era when lots of quarterbacks put up big numbers. Do not compare him to HOF quarterbacks from earlier eras. You can only compare him to QBs of his era. Brett Favre played long enough to play in two eras and he’s in. Kurt Warner and Peyton Manning are in. Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Big Ben will get in someday. Eli Manning may get in on the strength of his two Super Bowl wins. Compared to those guys he’s not a hall of famer. He’s in the hall of very good with Romo and McNabb.

[cking]

No...

Do you think he gets in, just not on the first ballot?

[asujbl]

Nope

But obvious HOF’er

[brios8]

Great QB, but not HOF caliber

If he is in then they have to add:
Mcnabb,Romo,Matt Ryan,Rivers which are all a notch below:
Mannings-Brees-Rodgers-Brady-Warner-Big Ben

cant have them all in

[ArmyDC]

Yea because of the timing. A lot of people lump Eli, Rivers and Big Ben in together and he will benefit from that

[oldgoldy97]

Do you think he gets in, just not on the first ballot?

Yes.

Maybe 3rd try.

[asujbl]

Great QB, but not HOF caliber

If he is in then they have to add:
Mcnabb,Romo,Matt Ryan,Rivers which are all a notch below:
Mannings-Brees-Rodgers-Brady-Warner-Big Ben

cant have them all in

You lost all credibility once you say McNabb

At least try

[altaeria]

I suppose they could give him a shelf near Frank Gore.
Meh.

[brios8]

You lost all credibility once you say McNabb

At least try

Rivers is waaay closer to Mcnabb than he is to Brees-Manning-Brady-Rodgers

he might be similar to Big Ben.. however Big Ben was lucky enough to have a great defense, and playing against the lowly Browns-Bengals.. having a good team plus an easier schedule is what pushes him up to the HOF.

Rivers didnt have that luck even with Ladanian Tomlinson doing all the work


Mcnabb playoff games = 9-7
Rivers playoff games = 5-7

Mcnabb pro bowls =6
Rivers pro bowls =6

Mcnabb super bowls = 1
Rivers Super Bowls = 0

Ohhh and Rivers played 4 more seasons and with a better offense.. yet still Mcnabb beat him on these lol

[49erRCCollector]

He may get in but he is nowhere near HOF talent. Not even close.

[Onepocketj]

Might get in but not first ballot

[glen87]

no...

[jplarson]

Rivers compares favorably to Roethlisberger in terms of all-time stats. They are close to each other in attempts, completions, yards, TDs, INTs, Comp%, INT%, and Rating. Playoffs hurts Rivers chances. Awards he compares well to Roethlisberger.

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Seems like Manning got the playoff success, Rivers had the accumulator numbers and efficiency, and Rothlisberger got both.

For seasonal leaders, Rivers led the league once in attempts, completions, completion %, yards, TDs, and rating and twice with interceptions.

Manning led the league three times in interceptions.

Roethlisberger led the league once in attempts, completions, and TD% and twice in yards and interceptions.

I think Rivers makes it in but probably not first ballot, definitely not second ballot, and odds go up after that.

[Scottish Punk]

He is getting in at some point. I think he has to wait. We just had Eli,Brees,Ben, and Brady all retire in consecutive years. They will all go in ahead of Rivers. There is five modern area guys per year. The above are four of 15 slots over three years. I think the committee will want to get some other players in. Assuming Gronk retires again this year, he will most assurdley go in with Brady in five years.

[2010GBPackers]

Great QB, but not HOF caliber

If he is in then they have to add:
Mcnabb,Romo,Matt Ryan,Rivers which are all a notch below:
Mannings-Brees-Rodgers-Brady-Warner-Big Ben

cant have them all in

You lost all credibility once you say McNabb

At least try

When he said, McNabb????!!!

How about when he lumped the two "Mannings" into one tier. That's unforgivable. Peyton is arguably the greatest QB of all-time.

[Moneychrome20]

Is Phillip rivers a first ballot hall of famer??

Keep it going

[daveteach]

Let's see you have Brees, Manning and Rivers eligible in 2026 and Brady and Roethlisberger in 2027. So, it will be a crowded QB ballot for two years and who knows how long Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers go until they retire. I could see the Hall put all five of those guys in the two classes. It depends on who else will be eligible at that time that haven't gotten in the previous four years.

[Fulmer4MVP]

Great QB, but not HOF caliber

If he is in then they have to add:
Mcnabb,Romo,Matt Ryan,Rivers which are all a notch below:
Mannings-Brees-Rodgers-Brady-Warner-Big Ben

cant have them all in

Matt Ryan has a 102.6 HOFm on PFF
Big Ben has a 100.28
Rivers has a 98.06
Mcnabb has a 56

[Brian48]

I think he'll make it into the HOF, but not on the first try. He had a good run. Just no championships, but there's a lot of HOF'ers in the same boat.

[brios8]

When he said, McNabb????!!!

How about when he lumped the two "Mannings" into one tier. That's unforgivable. Peyton is arguably the greatest QB of all-time.

Well they do work together in their MNF show :D
and Eli has more super BOwl Rings :eek:

Matt Ryan has a 102.6 HOFm on PFF
Big Ben has a 100.28
Rivers has a 98.06
Mcnabb has a 56

if Rivers gets in because of stats then add Mcnabb because of the playoffs..

I 100% think non should be in.... but hey, they have to put some in a couple of years if there arent any other players worthy enough

Rivers is good, but for me HOF is something a bit more special than a Rivers in it

[Fulmer4MVP]

Well they do work together in their MNF show :D
and Eli has more super BOwl Rings :eek:



if Rivers gets in because of stats then add Mcnabb because of the playoffs..

I 100% think non should be in.... but hey, they have to put some in a couple of years if there arent any other players worthy enough

Rivers is good, but for me HOF is something a bit more special than a Rivers in it

Don't Eli and Peyton both have two rings?

[88horsepower]

Tough call. I actually think he does get in on the first ballot, but if he doesn't it won't be a long wait at all.

[bdoody42]

He will make it, but not on the first try.

[desertdogg]

No chance at getting in first year.

[mike1498]

Eli gets in before him. If Eli doesn’t get in, neither will Rivers. Wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t or both get in.

[mike1498]

Double post

[Noles939913]

Not first ballot but he’ll 100% get in.

[JosieD]

Don't Eli and Peyton both have two rings?

Yes, the both have 2.

[JosieD]

I don't think he will get in the HOF in our lifetime.

[mj91534]

I feel like they will try and make it so Rivers, Manning, and Big Ben go in together and maybe Fitzgerald to. Would make for a huge weekend.

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[88horsepower]

I don't think he will get in the HOF in our lifetime.

Damn, Josie. Based on what?

[clocsta2323]

Football hall of fame is almost as pathetic as the basketball hall of fame. Rivers will definitely get in. McNabb....whoever thinks he should be considered probably thought Chris Webber deserved enshrinement too.

[asujbl]

Rivers is waaay closer to Mcnabb than he is to Brees-Manning-Brady-Rodgers

he might be similar to Big Ben.. however Big Ben was lucky enough to have a great defense, and playing against the lowly Browns-Bengals.. having a good team plus an easier schedule is what pushes him up to the HOF.

Rivers didnt have that luck even with Ladanian Tomlinson doing all the work


Mcnabb playoff games = 9-7
Rivers playoff games = 5-7

Mcnabb pro bowls =6
Rivers pro bowls =6

Mcnabb super bowls = 1
Rivers Super Bowls = 0

Ohhh and Rivers played 4 more seasons and with a better offense.. yet still Mcnabb beat him on these lol

You clearly don’t know how the HOF works

This is all super cute if there was like a 10 year cut off where you compare players

There isn’t. You play a long time? That counts

FYI

[asujbl]

I don't think he will get in the HOF in our lifetime.

Damn…

Rationale?

[growdoe]

You clearly don’t know how the HOF works

This is all super cute if there was like a 10 year cut off where you compare players

There isn’t. You play a long time? That counts

FYI

If we're giving Longevity more weight, then Gore > Rivers. Gore's path to the Hall much more brutal through the trenches, which I think should count.

[wigglestrue]

Football hall of fame is almost as pathetic as the basketball hall of fame. Rivers will definitely get in. McNabb....whoever thinks he should be considered probably thought Chris Webber deserved enshrinement too.

Basketball Hall of Fame counts college and international, is the problem. But, uhhh, Webber was a legit inductee. In the lower range of HOFers, but still a solid one. 4 appearances on the All-NBA 1st/2nd teams is basically an automatic ticket to the HOF. He threw in a 3rd team, too, which matters in a league where 3rd team means you're one of the top 15-20 players that year. His stats are solid, basically averaged 20/10 for his career, which alone is also usually an automatic ticket to the HOF, plus he was one of the best-passing non-PGs in the history of the game, plus he was pretty much a beast on defense. He didn't have the ultimate playoff success, but then again corrupt NBA officials obviously robbed him against the Lakers. Then you add in his college career, as that HOF does? Absolutely deserving.

Football HOF seems like the most difficult to get in, actually. Probably a byproduct of football roster sizes, if they were more lenient the number of players enshrined would be ridiculous, even if they had good cases. The NBA and MLB and NHL equivalent of, say, Russ Francis or Corey Dillon would have already made it in. But the football Hall has to put the brakes on such borderline cases, because they have to induct so many distinct positions.

[Noles939913]

Basketball Hall of Fame counts college and international, is the problem. But, uhhh, Webber was a legit inductee. In the lower range of HOFers, but still a solid one. 4 appearances on the All-NBA 1st/2nd teams is basically an automatic ticket to the HOF. He threw in a 3rd team, too, which matters in a league where 3rd team means you're one of the top 15-20 players that year. His stats are solid, basically averaged 20/10 for his career, which alone is also usually an automatic ticket to the HOF, plus he was one of the best-passing non-PGs in the history of the game, plus he was pretty much a beast on defense. He didn't have the ultimate playoff success, but then again corrupt NBA officials obviously robbed him against the Lakers. Then you add in his college career, as that HOF does? Absolutely deserving.

Football HOF seems like the most difficult to get in, actually. Probably a byproduct of football roster sizes, if they were more lenient the number of players enshrined would be ridiculous, even if they had good cases. The NBA and MLB and NHL equivalent of, say, Russ Francis or Corey Dillon would have already made it in. But the football Hall has to put the brakes on such borderline cases, because they have to induct so many distinct positions.

These days Dillon would have major issues with the character clause for the MLB HOF.

[asujbl]

If we're giving Longevity more weight, then Gore > Rivers. Gore's path to the Hall much more brutal through the trenches, which I think should count.

Gore is making the HOF

So yeah

Not understanding your point

[jhssketchcards]

What would make a 1st ballot HOF? Is he in the top 25 QBs all-time overall convo? I honestly don’t know. My guess is no. Not much team success or personal accolades to warrant being in that mix. He will get in ala Fouts. When I think best all-time I don’t think of Rivers


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[MFaulkCollector]

What would make a 1st ballot HOF? Is he in the top 25 QBs all-time overall convo? I honestly don’t know. My guess is no. Not much team success or personal accolades to warrant being in that mix. He will get in ala Fouts. When I think best all-time I don’t think of Rivers


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I used to think like you..... but over time I've come to realize that not all HOF's are created equal... Just like baseball has it's inner circle so does football..... Just because a guy isn't a 2 time SB champion and 2 Time MVP doesn't mean he isn't a hall of famer

Around the time Rivers hung it up, he is/was 6th all time in TD passes, 6th all time in yards, 9th all time in wins with 134 and has a record about 30 games over .500, he made 8 pro bowls while playing in a conference with Manning and Brady...... he was the franchise QB for a team for 15 years and did win 5 playoff games and he also played in a AFC championship game

If stat padding was so easy in this era than I'd expect to see a bunch of guys with Rivers type stats...... the problem..... it's isn't and other non HOF don't have stats or a resume close to Rivers that started playing when he did....... Ben and Eli are first ballot locks I'm not sure what people are talking about with that nonsense. Rivers will be in within 3 years on the ballot no question. He is highly respected for his competitive spirit and being an ambassador of the game, along with being top 6 in major stat categories...... he is no doubt getting in

[Stifle]

not 1st ballot, but he'll get in

Correct !

[jhssketchcards]

I used to think like you..... but over time I've come to realize that not all HOF's are created equal... Just like baseball has it's inner circle so does football..... Just because a guy isn't a 2 time SB champion and 2 Time MVP doesn't mean he isn't a hall of famer

Around the time Rivers hung it up, he is/was 6th all time in TD passes, 6th all time in yards, 9th all time in wins with 134 and has a record about 30 games over .500, he made 8 pro bowls while playing in a conference with Manning and Brady...... he was the franchise QB for a team for 15 years and did win 5 playoff games and he also played in a AFC championship game

If stat padding was so easy in this era than I'd expect to see a bunch of guys with Rivers type stats...... the problem..... it's isn't and other non HOF don't have stats or a resume close to Rivers that started playing when he did....... Ben and Eli are first ballot locks I'm not sure what people are talking about with that nonsense. Rivers will be in within 3 years on the ballot no question. He is highly respected for his competitive spirit and being an ambassador of the game, along with being top 6 in major stat categories...... he is no doubt getting in


Maybe so. But if you were putting together all-time teams you’d have to get to about the 30th or so team before you started Rivers at QB.


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[jplarson]

Maybe so. But if you were putting together all-time teams you’d have to get to about the 30th or so team before you started Rivers at QB.


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True but it isn't the "all-time" team, it's the HoF.

[MFaulkCollector]

Maybe so. But if you were putting together all-time teams you’d have to get to about the 30th or so team before you started Rivers at QB.


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Yea, that's true.... and if the NFL has been around for 60ish years by the time he gets inducted.......... i would say being the 30th best at the most important and difficult position to play in all of pro sports over 60 years is Hall worthy. I was anti Frank Gore forever........ but sometimes you just need to break down and realize the Hall does have 3-4 tiers of QB's or other position guys

You have the Brady Manning Montana group.... Favre, Rodgers, Unitas, Elway, etc...... then down to the third tier of Big Ben, Russell Wilson if he achieves nothing more, Jim Kelly, Kurt Warner etc........... then you have the last tier of Fouts, Moon, whoever else..... at the end of the day they are all HOF's... it just is what it is

[SupermanBrandon]

No. Not a HOF'er.

[Archangel1775]

I dont see it.

[quackhead]

Tough call. I actually think he does get in on the first ballot, but if he doesn't it won't be a long wait at all.




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[quackhead]

I don't think he will get in the HOF in our lifetime.


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[Retired hobbist]

I used to think like you..... but over time I've come to realize that not all HOF's are created equal... Just like baseball has it's inner circle so does football..... Just because a guy isn't a 2 time SB champion and 2 Time MVP doesn't mean he isn't a hall of famer

Around the time Rivers hung it up, he is/was 6th all time in TD passes, 6th all time in yards, 9th all time in wins with 134 and has a record about 30 games over .500, he made 8 pro bowls while playing in a conference with Manning and Brady...... he was the franchise QB for a team for 15 years and did win 5 playoff games and he also played in a AFC championship game

If stat padding was so easy in this era than I'd expect to see a bunch of guys with Rivers type stats...... the problem..... it's isn't and other non HOF don't have stats or a resume close to Rivers that started playing when he did....... Ben and Eli are first ballot locks I'm not sure what people are talking about with that nonsense. Rivers will be in within 3 years on the ballot no question. He is highly respected for his competitive spirit and being an ambassador of the game, along with being top 6 in major stat categories...... he is no doubt getting in

John Brodie was top 3 at the time of his retirement and the hall has forgotten about him, same with Gabriel, Hadl and Hart.

Unlike Fouts who blew up the passing records and Moon who did this too, Rivers was among the best but never the best in his era.

[foleylion08]

I think you have to consider the backlog at the time he's eligible (2026). Five modern players per year, so 2022 is gonna leave a few deserving guys out.
-2023: Darrelle Revis, Jahri Evans, Joe Thomas
-2024: Julius Peppers , Antonio Gates
-2025: Luke Kuechly, (Eli?)
-2026: Brees, Fitz, Witten? (I'd consider Witten a better TE than Rivers was a QB)

I think the backlog may be too deep by the time he getes there for him to be a first ballot. Probably 3rd or so.

[Diver757]

Not a 1st ballot, and borderline HOF'er all together. Comparable stats to Eli with no Super Bowls. Way below Roethlisberger talent wise, as well as every other measurable. If Eli gets in, then their will be sentiment to put all 3 of the top '04 QB's in. Roethlisberger already measured for his jacket.

[matt roberson]

hell no.....

[jhssketchcards]

I think you have to consider the backlog at the time he's eligible (2026). Five modern players per year, so 2022 is gonna leave a few deserving guys out.
-2023: Darrelle Revis, Jahri Evans, Joe Thomas
-2024: Julius Peppers , Antonio Gates
-2025: Luke Kuechly, (Eli?)
-2026: Brees, Fitz, Witten? (I'd consider Witten a better TE than Rivers was a QB)

I think the backlog may be too deep by the time he getes there for him to be a first ballot. Probably 3rd or so.


Fitzpatrick or Fitzgerald??


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[Fulmer4MVP]

Not a 1st ballot, and borderline HOF'er all together. Comparable stats to Eli with no Super Bowls. Way below Roethlisberger talent wise, as well as every other measurable. If Eli gets in, then their will be sentiment to put all 3 of the top '04 QB's in. Roethlisberger already measured for his jacket.

Roethlisberger and Rivers have almost identical stats beyond the Super bowls. Of course Big Ben gets ahead with the two wins, but they were pretty neck and neck otherwise.

[rats60]

Roethlisberger and Rivers have almost identical stats beyond the Super bowls. Of course Big Ben gets ahead with the two wins, but they were pretty neck and neck otherwise.

Except they arent. Rivers is behind Ben. He is also behind Manning, Brady, Brees and Rodgers. Being the 6th best QB of your era without any SB wins is not a HOF resume. In 1979 the all time passing leaders had John Hadl #3, John Brodie #5 and Norm Snead #6. None made the HOF, none made a SB though Hadl did win an AFL championship. You either need better regular season numbers or SB championships to make the HOF.

[SupermanBrandon]

Except they arent. Rivers is behind Ben. He is also behind Manning, Brady, Brees and Rodgers. Being the 6th best QB of your era without any SB wins is not a HOF resume. In 1979 the all time passing leaders had John Hadl #3, John Brodie #5 and Norm Snead #6. None made the HOF, none made a SB though Hadl did win an AFL championship. You either need better regular season numbers or SB championships to make the HOF.

You can't be the 6th best QB of your era and be in the HOF. You can't compare his stats w/ HOF'ers of yesteryear (either) as he was in a much more pass happy league than back then. The guy was above average for a very long time. That's not HOF worthy. I hate Pittsburgh, but Rivers can't sniff Big Ben's jock strap.

[hche]

Not a 1st ballot, and borderline HOF'er all together. Comparable stats to Eli with no Super Bowls. Way below Roethlisberger talent wise, as well as every other measurable. If Eli gets in, then their will be sentiment to put all 3 of the top '04 QB's in. Roethlisberger already measured for his jacket.

Statistically, Rivers and Ben are almost identical. Both are ahead of Eli on statistics.

[razorsharp]

Statistically, Rivers and Ben are almost identical. Both are ahead of Eli on statistics.

Eli's 2011 postseason run is more impressive than anything Rivers or Ben did in their careers.

Eli is going to get in 1st ballot off his 2 Super Bowl's and being an ironman. Is it fair? That's subjective but he really is an enigma.

[Retired hobbist]

Except they arent. Rivers is behind Ben. He is also behind Manning, Brady, Brees and Rodgers. Being the 6th best QB of your era without any SB wins is not a HOF resume. In 1979 the all time passing leaders had John Hadl #3, John Brodie #5 and Norm Snead #6. None made the HOF, none made a SB though Hadl did win an AFL championship. You either need better regular season numbers or SB championships to make the HOF.

This is my point if you don't lead your team to a championship you need to blow up the stats for your position being a "Steady Eddy" type won't get you a gold jacket(at least not quickly).

[randino101]

Eli's 2011 postseason run is more impressive than anything Rivers or Ben did in their careers.

Eli is going to get in 1st ballot off his 2 Super Bowl's and being an ironman. Is it fair? That's subjective but he really is an enigma.


The fact that Eli's Giants beat TB12 & the Patriots twice for the Lombardi won't be lost on voters. That he played in a big market like NYC & is Peyton's younger brother (and Archie's son) won't hurt either...

[PLB9eight]

Deserved or not he’ll absolutely make it at some point.


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[jhssketchcards]

Deserved or not he’ll absolutely make it at some point.


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Certainly. He will be the Harold Baines of NFL


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[88horsepower]

When he makes the HOF, you just know everyone in here who disagrees with his induction will claim they know more about who is deserving than the 46-person selection committee that actually voted him in.

[PLB9eight]

When he makes the HOF, you just know everyone in here who disagrees with his induction will claim they know more about who is deserving than the 46-person selection committee that actually voted him in.


This too


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[Zauron]

You can't be the 6th best QB of your era and be in the HOF. You can't compare his stats w/ HOF'ers of yesteryear (either) as he was in a much more pass happy league than back then. The guy was above average for a very long time. That's not HOF worthy. I hate Pittsburgh, but Rivers can't sniff Big Ben's jock strap.

This is my thinking. He was a good QB, but in his era he was behind several guys. In 5 years he may fall down on the all time lists as well. No postseason success of note. He's more borderline than people may think.

[Diver757]

Roethlisberger and Rivers have almost identical stats beyond the Super bowls. Of course Big Ben gets ahead with the two wins, but they were pretty neck and neck otherwise.

Poorly worded with the measurables on my part. What I was getting at is that Roethlisberger was the superior athlete (at least for the majority of their careers, not the end obviously) and the guy you'd want to have the ball in crunch time. Tied for 2nd all time in game winning drives, 3rd in 4th quarter comebacks. I know that this isn't a should Roethlisberger get in thread, its just really easy to compare the 3 04' QB's.

[Grid]

Except they arent. Rivers is behind Ben. He is also behind Manning, Brady, Brees and Rodgers. Being the 6th best QB of your era without any SB wins is not a HOF resume. In 1979 the all time passing leaders had John Hadl #3, John Brodie #5 and Norm Snead #6. None made the HOF, none made a SB though Hadl did win an AFL championship. You either need better regular season numbers or SB championships to make the HOF.

The QB position, for the first 50 years of the league, was not what it is today. And the hall of fame shows that.

It was all about the running back, and that is why your Hadl and Sneads of the world didn't get it, even if they had better stats at the time. The stats were all so low.

You had a total of 16 QB's go into the hall in the first 30 years it existed. And you had 37 running backs over that time. They just enshrined 4 QB's, over the past 5 years. And just 2 running backs.

The script has been flipped, and QB's are getting the weight they should, for the way the game is played today.

[JosieD]

Damn, Josie. Based on what?

I think he will eventually get in. Maybe my math was bad. I think there will just be more deserving people in front of him that will cause a backlog for him.

Damn…

Rationale?

See above, please.

I think you have to consider the backlog at the time he's eligible (2026). Five modern players per year, so 2022 is gonna leave a few deserving guys out.
-2023: Darrelle Revis, Jahri Evans, Joe Thomas
-2024: Julius Peppers , Antonio Gates
-2025: Luke Kuechly, (Eli?)
-2026: Brees, Fitz, Witten? (I'd consider Witten a better TE than Rivers was a QB)

I think the backlog may be too deep by the time he getes there for him to be a first ballot. Probably 3rd or so.

I agree with this.

[SupermanBrandon]

Can you tell the history/story of the NFL in that era w/out mentioning Phillip Rivers? YES you can. Not a HOF'er.

[wxguy44]

yes, no question

[Grid]

Can you tell the history/story of the NFL in that era w/out mentioning Phillip Rivers? YES you can. Not a HOF'er.

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[49erRCCollector]

I'm not a Rivers fan. At all.

I know there lots of "reasons" but a dude who had a 14-2 record (and both losses were by 3 points) with that 2006 Chargers squad that were blowing people out, had 11 pro bowlers... and STILL lost in the divisional round to a mediocre Patriots team is kind of indicative of why I don't dig him.

Never got to a SB. Lost big games. Had HOF talent around him at different points.

Is it just that he put up stats?

If Thanos snapped him out of existence you 100% could tell the story for the NFL.

[jhssketchcards]

Reminds me of a similar draft when I think about the 2004 draft with 3 big QBs…

1983 NFL Draft
John Elway - 5x Super Bowl appearances, 2x Champ including SB MVP. 9x Pro Bowler. Retired with most wins by a starting QB (broken by Favre, Manning and Brady since). NFL HOF

Jim Kelly - 4 straight Suoer Bowl appearances, 0 wins, 5x Pro Bowler
NFL HOF

Dan Marino - 1x Super Bowl appearance, 0 wins but retired as all-time leader in yards, TDs and set highest passer rating by a rookie (broken by Roethlisberger). 9x Pro Bowler
NFL HOF


2004 NFL Draft
Eli Manning - 2x Super Bowl appearances, 2x Champ and 2x SB MVP (defeated T. Brady in both)
Most passing yards in a postseason (2011 - 1,219)
4x Pro Bowler

Ben Roethlisberger - 2x Super Bowl appearances, 2x Champ. Also holds NFL record most career games 500+ yds passing (4), most career games perfect passer rating (4) and most completions regular or postseason game (47).
6x Pro Bowler

Philip Rivers - 0 Super Bowl appearances
NFL record most passes completed (Tied with Tannehill - 25), Most consecutive games with PR above 120 (5). 8x Pro Bowler

I do think Rivers gets in eventually, but I think his love in NFL history will be distant behind Ben and Eli simply because they both won 2 Super Bowls and he never played in 1 (Both Ben and Eli are also 2x SB MVPs as well). I think if it weren’t for his postseason success Eli may very well not be a HOF but beating Tom Brady in those SB tends to push him over the edge. Someone made a good point that when we look back on this last 20 year stretch of the NFL where does Rivers fit:

No doubt HOF on 1st ballot
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Ben Roethlisberger

Eventual HOF maybe not 1st ballot:
Russel Wilson
Eli Manning

Outside looking in:
Matthew Stafford
Matt Ryan
Philip Rivers
Michael Vick
Donovan McNabb
Steve McNair
Daunte Culpepper
Chad Pennington
Joe Flacco
Brad Johnson
Tony Romo


I’m sure there are more to add to the bottom list but you get my drift. Those on the lower list are all very solid QBs and Stafford, Ryan, and McNabb all have to a SB as did McNabb. Flacco and Johnson both won SBs (Even if Stafford wins this weekend he’s still not a lock HOF for me yet BTW).

Rivers had a very solid career, but it’s hard to put him up there with being one of the elite QBs. If Eli gets in I’m sure Rivers will since the lack of postseason experience for Rivers but big regular season stats may be equal to Eli’s Super Bowl victories but little regular season success. Just my thoughts.


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[88horsepower]

I'm not a Rivers fan. At all.

I know there lots of "reasons" but a dude who had a 14-2 record (and both losses were by 3 points) with that 2006 Chargers squad that were blowing people out, had 11 pro bowlers... and STILL lost in the divisional round to a mediocre Patriots team is kind of indicative of why I don't dig him.


I'm reminded of something Peyton Manning once said when discussing the 2006 AFCCG comeback against the Patriots, how the world would see him differently after leading the Colts down the field for the go-ahead TD late in the fourth quarter, if on the ensuing kickoff the Patriots returned it for a TD and won the game.

If only Marlon McCree had just sat on the Tom Brady interception he hauled in late in the fourth quarter of the 2006 Divisional round with the Chargers up eight points. The Chargers could very well have won that game. And, considering the Chargers owned the Colts in the playoffs, one could argue that it would be Rivers, not Manning, who would have triumphed over the Chicago Bears in Super Bowl XLI.

[quackhead]

He had a unique passion for the game, unlike many other quarterbacks. One of those intangibles which will get him in.


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[matt roberson]

When he makes the HOF, you just know everyone in here who disagrees with his induction will claim they know more about who is deserving than the 46-person selection committee that actually voted him in.

Well most of us will probably be dead before he gets in, its going to be a long time, if ever.

[jhssketchcards]

Well most of us will probably be dead before he gets in, its going to be a long time, if ever.


Or like Stabler, he will be dead before he gets in.


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[Archangel1775]

He had a unique passion for the game, unlike many other quarterbacks. One of those intangibles which will get him in.


No idea what intangibles you’re speaking of. All I recall is him whining to a DE about something on YT

[Seahawks fan]

With the combination of rules constantly changing to protect QBs/ hinder defenses and going to a 17 game season, His stats could get matched easier.

I don't think he's a 1st ballot hofer but I do think he gets in. Getting in on the 3rd or 4th ballot compared to being a senior inductee depends on how many current/future QBs start approaching/passing his numbers and how weak the star/name power is in a HOF class.

[quackhead]

No idea what intangibles you’re speaking of. All I recall is him whining to a DE about something on YT

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If that is all you recall, then I don't know what to tell you.

[jhssketchcards]

True but it isn't the "all-time" team, it's the HoF.


I get that, but the HOF is the best of the best, not the Hall of Really Good.

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning

Rivers doesn’t belong in this group. He belongs with:

Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Joe Flacco

Only difference is all of these guys either won 1 or more SB or went to at least 1. Rivers didn’t. To put him into Canton among the top names above would be a joke. Stats are stats. A lot of guys pass for big yards and TDs now. Doesn’t make them a HOF.
When history reflects on this era of the NFL Rivers will be a footnote and not a chapter.


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[DalliLlama11]

I get that, but the HOF is the best of the best, not the Hall of Really Good.

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning

Rivers doesn’t belong in this group. He belongs with:

Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Joe Flacco

Only difference is all of these guys either won 1 or more SB or went to at least 1. Rivers didn’t. To put him into Canton among the top names above would be a joke. Stats are stats. A lot of guys pass for big yards and TDs now. Doesn’t make them a HOF.
When history reflects on this era of the NFL Rivers will be a footnote and not a chapter.


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When you say “guys pass for big yards now” who are you referring to? The guys of which are listed above and Hof/borderline Hof guys?

The argument can’t be made that several guys are passing for several yards when they haven’t. I’m not for or against Rivers really but having the peak for 1 season in volume is not the same as having volume for an entire career. And no one is constantly throwing for a lot a stats currently aside from Rodgers Ryan and Stafford, all Hof or borderline guys. The rest of the top Qbs are young guys that could eventually get there but still have 10+ years to go and that is not a given. Especially when guys like Burrow and Lamar have already basically lost a season, Josh could be hurt from his running style etc. Extra game helps but like you are trying to discredit by saying everyone is doing it, are you going to discredit the future for doing it with an extra game?

[jhssketchcards]

When you say “guys pass for big yards now” who are you referring to? The guys of which are listed above and Hof/borderline Hof guys?

The argument can’t be made that several guys are passing for several yards when they haven’t. I’m not for or against Rivers really but having the peak for 1 season in volume is not the same as having volume for an entire career. And no one is constantly throwing for a lot a stats currently aside from Rodgers Ryan and Stafford, all Hof or borderline guys. The rest of the top Qbs are young guys that could eventually get there but still have 10+ years to go and that is not a given. Especially when guys like Burrow and Lamar have already basically lost a season, Josh could be hurt from his running style etc. Extra game helps but like you are trying to discredit by saying everyone is doing it, are you going to discredit the future for doing it with an extra game?


Non HOF Top 30 All-Time Passing Yardage

Tom Brady 1st
Drew Brees 2nd
Ben Roethlisberger 5th
Philip Rivers 6th
Matt Ryan 8th (active)
Eli Manning 9th
Aaron Rodgers 10th (active)
Matthew Stafford 12th (active)
Carson Palmer 15th
Vinny Testaverde 16th
Drew Bledsoe 17th
Joe Flacco 19th (active)
Kerry Collins 20th
Dave Krieg 23rd
Boomer Esiason 24th
Donovan McNabb 25th
Russell Wilson 26th (active)
Matt Hasselback 27th
Alex Smith 28th
Andy Dalton 30th

Non HOF All-Time Passing TDs

Tom Brady 1st
Drew Brees 2nd
Aaron Rodgers 5th (active)
Philip Rivers 6th
Ben Roethlisberger 8th
Matt Ryan 9th (active)
Eli Manning 10th
Matthew Stafford 12th (active)
Carson Palmer 14th
Russell Wilson 15th (active)
Vinny Testaverde 18th
Dave Krieg 20th
Drew Bledsoe 23rd
Tony Romo 24th
Boomer Esiason 25th
John Hadl 26th

Based on those numbers, most of the leaders now in each debuted after the league made huge changes to QBs being protected. Tarkentons TDs record stood for 20 years before Marino broke it. Since Marino broke it 6 players broke his record since between 2007 and 2021. Similar analysis can be said for yards. Like many other Rivers was very good, but not great. Those guys listed above are in the top 30 QBs of all time for those stats, but it doesn’t make them the top 30 QBs of all-time.


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[TimBuckTwo]

Although I liked Philip and all I do not think he is worthy.

However based on the nominees list I just saw it looks like they are getting around to just about letting anyone in.

[2010GBPackers]

I get that, but the HOF is the best of the best, not the Hall of Really Good.

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning

Rivers doesn’t belong in this group. He belongs with:

Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Joe Flacco

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I think you can drop Roethlisberger and E. Manning into that latter group.

[jhssketchcards]

I think you can drop Roethlisberger and E. Manning into that latter group.


Perhaps, but Ben at least has the stats and the SB wins that help separate him. I do agree Eli fits more in the Phil Simms, Jim Plunkett group, but 2 wins in the SB against Tom Brady are huge. My thing about Rivers that makes me question his HOF worthiness is he has no real thumbprint on the league. Lots of QBs have set records here and there, but he was never truly relevant to the year he was in. The two other QBs he’s synonymous with in his draft had relevance winning 2 SB each. But that’s just my opinion, maybe Rivers gets in, if he does that’s cool and I will be happy for him, but if he doesn’t I won’t be disappointed


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[Brye86]

I think you can drop Roethlisberger and E. Manning into that latter group.

You're crazy lol... Both have 2 SB wins and are top 10 all time in passing yards.

[2010GBPackers]

You're crazy lol... Both have 2 SB wins and are top 10 all time in passing yards.

Yes, I am crazy. Unlike many on this board, I don't automatically anoint those with SB wins to all-time status. Four of those QB's are inner circle, 1st ballot HOFers. The others are indistinguishable.

Top 10 all-time in passing, LOL! In 15 years they'll be top 30. Products of the era they played in, nothing else.

[Scottish Punk]

You're crazy lol... Both have 2 SB wins and are top 10 all time in passing yards.

If Stafford wins tomorrow is HOF chances go up a ton. Of that list, only Flacco won't make it in. Ryan has a MVP, stats, and a Super Bowl appearance. He will get in eventually.

That really just leaves Testaverde and Palmer out of HOF from the top twenty in both lists. Neither will ever make it. Wilson will push somebody out as well. QBs on one list like McNabb, Bledsoe, Krieg etc are in the Flacco range to me. I would put those three above Flacco but I don't think they get in.

[hugh]

yes, no question

No, no question

[hugh]

He had a unique passion for the game, unlike many other quarterbacks. One of those intangibles which will get him in.


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Talking crap to defensive players gets you in the HOF? What a weird take

[DalliLlama11]

Non HOF Top 30 All-Time Passing Yardage

Tom Brady 1st
Drew Brees 2nd
Ben Roethlisberger 5th
Philip Rivers 6th
Matt Ryan 8th (active)
Eli Manning 9th
Aaron Rodgers 10th (active)
Matthew Stafford 12th (active)
Carson Palmer 15th
Vinny Testaverde 16th
Drew Bledsoe 17th
Joe Flacco 19th (active)
Kerry Collins 20th
Dave Krieg 23rd
Boomer Esiason 24th
Donovan McNabb 25th
Russell Wilson 26th (active)
Matt Hasselback 27th
Alex Smith 28th
Andy Dalton 30th

Non HOF All-Time Passing TDs

Tom Brady 1st
Drew Brees 2nd
Aaron Rodgers 5th (active)
Philip Rivers 6th
Ben Roethlisberger 8th
Matt Ryan 9th (active)
Eli Manning 10th
Matthew Stafford 12th (active)
Carson Palmer 14th
Russell Wilson 15th (active)
Vinny Testaverde 18th
Dave Krieg 20th
Drew Bledsoe 23rd
Tony Romo 24th
Boomer Esiason 25th
John Hadl 26th

Based on those numbers, most of the leaders now in each debuted after the league made huge changes to QBs being protected. Tarkentons TDs record stood for 20 years before Marino broke it. Since Marino broke it 6 players broke his record since between 2007 and 2021. Similar analysis can be said for yards. Like many other Rivers was very good, but not great. Those guys listed above are in the top 30 QBs of all time for those stats, but it doesn’t make them the top 30 QBs of all-time.


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30 is a very wide range. Especially when Rivers is currently 10. The top 100 passers arent gunna be the top 100 Qbs. But once you start narrowing it down you can say a top 10 statistical Qb is probably a top 25-30 Qb. All those Qbs in the top 15 of all those stats are either in or right on the cusp aside from Palmer. Rivers is there too. He may not be in and certainly wouldn’t be a first ballot guy but he has a chance.

[jhssketchcards]

I would t put Ryan or Manning as all-time top 10 QBs just because of stats.


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[Braswell10]

If Rivers doesn’t deserve to make the hall of fame, then neither does Stafford.

[wxguy44]

No, no question

ha, keep telling yourself that buddy!

[hugh]

ha, keep telling yourself that buddy!

First ballot? C'mon homer

[majestik101]

Discuss.

[jplarson]

Lack of pole means we can't add to the existing dataset. Thread fale.

[majestik101]

Lack of pole means we can't add to the existing dataset. Thread fale.

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[TheFrenzy]

When he makes the HOF, you just know everyone in here who disagrees with his induction will claim they know more about who is deserving than the 46-person selection committee that actually voted him in.

When their children ask who Phillip Rivers was they will tell them "no one".

And that's the way it will go.

[49erRCCollector]

When their children ask who Phillip Rivers was they will tell them "no one".

And that's the way it will go.

My brother.

[TheFrenzy]

My brother.

Hand on the Bible, I had no idea of the antipathy you held for Rivers until this day. I never pictured a 49ers-Chargers rivalry.

However, glancing at the stats, I see that the all-time series is tied 8-8????

[Stifle]

Rivers is waaay closer to Mcnabb than he is to Brees-Manning-Brady-Rodgers

he might be similar to Big Ben.. however Big Ben was lucky enough to have a great defense, and playing against the lowly Browns-Bengals.. having a good team plus an easier schedule is what pushes him up to the HOF.

Rivers didnt have that luck even with Ladanian Tomlinson doing all the work


Mcnabb playoff games = 9-7
Rivers playoff games = 5-7

Mcnabb pro bowls =6
Rivers pro bowls =6

Mcnabb super bowls = 1
Rivers Super Bowls = 0

Ohhh and Rivers played 4 more seasons and with a better offense.. yet still Mcnabb beat him on these lol

I would vote Dono in before Philip.

Playoffs are a aspect of being critiqued. Neither won a SB but McNabb was far superior in the Post Season.

Rivers was better than Vinny Testaverde but a poor man’s Warren Moon.

[TheFrenzy]

My brother.

You have to admit, it sounds great. (https://vocaroo.com/1jDVZXKlC5uF)

[49erRCCollector]

Hand on the Bible, I had no idea of the antipathy you held for Rivers until this day. I never pictured a 49ers-Chargers rivalry.

However, glancing at the stats, I see that the all-time series is tied 8-8????

It's not the Chargers. It's Rivers. he really gets under my skin.

You have to admit, it sounds great. (https://vocaroo.com/1jDVZXKlC5uF)

I see that as the final scene VoiceOver of an Oscar-winning biopic about my life.

[TheFrenzy]

I see that as the final scene VoiceOver of an Oscar-winning biopic about my life.

There's definitely some serious gravitas. I think that's what drew me to it as worthy copypasta.

I'm imagining the day Panini's licenses expire:

In a few years my son will see my collection, ask what Panini was, and I will tell him "nothing".

And that's the way it will go.

[49erRCCollector]

There's definitely some serious gravitas. I think that's what drew me to it as worthy copypasta.

I'm imagining the day Panini's licenses expire:

In a few years my son will see my collection, ask what Panini was, and I will tell him "nothing".

And that's the way it will go.

I like where you are going with this.

Only thing is, my son says that NOW, then watches Tik Tok videos instead of joining me in sports fandom OR collecting.

[Stifle]

Eli's 2011 postseason run is more impressive than anything Rivers or Ben did in their careers.

Eli is going to get in 1st ballot off his 2 Super Bowl's and being an ironman. Is it fair? That's subjective but he really is an enigma.

Unlike Jimmy Butler in the NBA Postseason, we have borderline players who just couldn’t rise above in the biggest stage. Butler is being recognized as “Jimmy Playoffs” while Rivers was recognized as “Philip One and Done”. With the team he had, he could have done more.

[packman80]

When he gets into HOF he needs to drop a curse word in his induction speech. :D

[cardsin47]

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