New website from Josh Luber - The Evolution Continues - 3/8/22

[worldtravel00]

Saw this posting on Josh Luber's Instagram post.

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The Evolution Continues - 3/8/22
https://www.zerocoolcards.com

SOMETHING BIG IS COMING TO TRADING CARDS
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Any guess what this is?

[glassofwater]

Saw this posting on Josh Luber's Instagram post.

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The Evolution Continues - 3/8/22
https://www,zerocoolcards.com

SOMETHING BIG IS COMING TO TRADING CARDS
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Any guess what this is?

so this is the big announcement on sports card nonsense podcast they teased

[PSA2Pac]

Cards in the METAVERSE

500 billion copies of a copy of a copy in alternate universes. Parallelograms hidden in the soliloquy

All of them, all of the time, for infinitus

[mattglet]

Premium trading cards for pop culture, art, and entertainment.

A part of Fanatics trading cards.

[auburn35]

The trademark application covers several uses.

-Goods and Services
Downloadable and recorded computer software featuring digital trading cards

-Goods and Services
Collectable printed trading cards; printed trading cards, other than for games

- Goods and Services
Trading cards for games

- Goods and Services
Association services, namely, promoting the public interest and awareness in trading cards and trading card subjects; wholesale trading card and distributorship services; wholesale ordering services in the field of trading cards; online retail store services featuring trading cards; retail store services featuring trading cards; provision of an online marketplace for buyers and sellers of goods and services; organization of promotions using audiovisual media

- Goods and Services
Online trading of options on the options exchange market; organization of online stock exchanges for the benefits of the trade of stocks, options, and other financial securities; fund investment consultation; management of a capital investment fund; funds investment; financial evaluation of trading cards

- Goods and Services
Media services in the nature of electronic transmission of entertainment media content; transmission of messages over electronic media

- Goods and Services
Providing information in the field of trading cards; education services, namely, providing information concerning causes supported by public figures; entertainment services, namely, providing an online virtual environment for trading virtual and digital trading cards and tokens; gaming services in the nature of trading card gaming; gambling services; entertainment media production services for the Internet

- Goods and Services
Testing and research of trading cards

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

No way this doesn’t involve NFTs, right?

[NYBBFAN]

Luber? I hardly know her.

[jlzinck]

Am I supposed to know what a Josh Luber is?

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Am I supposed to know what a Josh Luber is?

The guy running the show for Fanatics’ sports card takeover.

[PoPCulture]

Am I supposed to know what a Josh Luber is?

North America’s chief sneakerhead

[Bcr]

I love the movie reference for "Hackers" but I hope this isn't something nft related

[Doctor Claw]

It seems like a Josh Luber is basically a glorified sneaker salesman, though his PR person would have you believe he's Steve Jobs.

Cards don't need an evolution. A '52 Mantle, Cracker Jack Cobb, Goudey Ruth or Gehrig, 1968 Ryan, thousands upon thousands of other cards-- they're all doing just perfectly fine, and don't need any evolution.

Fanatics and its top execs, however, want to take your money and herd the sheep; hence their gauche carnival barking about "evolution."

For anyone who has ever watched 30 Rock, Fanatics reminds of the Bro Body Douche CEO.

[SandStoneSports]

so this is the big announcement on sports card nonsense podcast they teased

Looks that way. That pod has really grown on me. Lets hope its something good and not just NFTs.

[griffank11]

Looks that way. That pod has really grown on me. Lets hope its something good and not just NFTs.

I believe they are launching a platform soon similar to Loupe and Whatnot. Could that be it?

[SandStoneSports]

It seems like a Josh Luber is basically a glorified sneaker salesman, though his PR person would have you believe he's Steve Jobs.

Cards don't need an evolution. A '52 Mantle, Cracker Jack Cobb, Goudey Ruth or Gehrig, 1968 Ryan, thousands upon thousands of other cards-- they're all doing just perfectly fine, and don't need any evolution.

Fanatics and its top execs, however, want to take your money and herd the sheep; hence their gauche carnival barking about "evolution."

For anyone who has ever watched 30 Rock, Fanatics reminds of the Bro Body Douche CEO.

I am not sure what he has planned, but the Sports card space does need some fixing. What made the 52' Mantle great, is what hobby really needs, and thats limited run. Panini and Topps both overproduce, when you have the amount of sets and the amount of cards each set has, many of these cards dont have any long term value, they are meant for day traders.

Whoever is running Fanatics business needs to limit the number of sets. Have a couple high end sets, a couple mid range sets, and keep the Donruss stuff so they are still affordable for kids. Right now the hobby belongs to middle aged men, which isnt a good thing for long term viability. Maybe its just me, but the amount of production makes my head spin.

[Doctor Claw]

Interestingly, vintage and prewar cards that are scarce and desirable today achieved that scarcity by surviving through time. So the rarity was not really intended at the time of manufacturing. To last a century or so, let alone with a modicum of eye appeal, without being claimed by the sheer passage of time, it is something of a feat for an old baseball card. Some of those cards have sure seen a lot; if they could talk, as the saying goes...

On the flipside, we have cards we collected as kids—— for me, it was 1986 Topps; and we bought and loved the things just fine without any awareness or care for things like print runs. So perhaps Fanatics can make cards like that for the kids today. Not sure if it will line their pockets the way Fanatics execs want their pockets lined, though, and so I suppose that is where the manufactured scarcities come in for the adults who play in that sandbox.

[jduds]

so this is the big announcement on sports card nonsense podcast they teased

99% sure this is not the announcement.

[mattglet]

See my previous post... I copied this from the website. They are literally making non-sports cards.

"Premium trading cards for pop culture, art, and entertainment"

[jduds]

Looks that way. That pod has really grown on me. Lets hope its something good and not just NFTs.

If you like the Pod, check out the Newsletter where I've been doing a weekly column. There are some old articles on the sign up page, but I think it's gotten a lot better (my stuff I write for them has for sure). Most of the time my articles are numbers focused (favorite recent one was a look at car value by playing position in the NBA as well as Draft position), but this week featured an NBA second half preview and a more in-depth baseball preview is in the works for as soon as the lockout ends. All of the articles will be available in an archive of some sort very soon.

https://www.sportscardsnonsense.com/hobbynews

[jduds]

See my previous post... I copied this from the website. They are literally making non-sports cards.

"Premium trading cards for pop culture, art, and entertainment"

I like this avenue actually if that's what this ends up being. Pop culture offerings right now are scattershot and need a more coherent plan.

[kkart]

It seems like a Josh Luber is basically a glorified sneaker salesman, though his PR person would have you believe he's Steve Jobs.

Cards don't need an evolution. A '52 Mantle, Cracker Jack Cobb, Goudey Ruth or Gehrig, 1968 Ryan, thousands upon thousands of other cards-- they're all doing just perfectly fine, and don't need any evolution.

Fanatics and its top execs, however, want to take your money and herd the sheep; hence their gauche carnival barking about "evolution."

For anyone who has ever watched 30 Rock, Fanatics reminds of the Bro Body Douche CEO.

Well said. And from what I've seen he doesn't the hobby much at all.
No offense to those of you who are new to all this but ultra modern cards are just a fraction of this hobby overall. And while Josh seems to get the business aspect of things mostly, he doesn't seem to understand the true "collecting" aspects of the hobby especially when it comes to the vintage side of things.

I'll be honest. This seems like it has something to do with NFT's. I'm a baseball card collector, not a digital asset asset anything collector. No NFT is going to ever replace the look, feel, smell, texture, and love of old vintage cardboard. NFT's can't ever replace that nor can it replace the tangibility aspect that cards have. For me, personally, there is absolutely nothing similar between NFT's & baseball cards. It's like comparing collecting vintage cards to vintage cereal boxes and how NFT's and baseball cards somehow wound up in the same orbit with one another is just wild to me.

[ThoseBackPages]

there is no reason to "make less" of anything card related.
Fanatics has to get more cards, to more people.
"we" are already hooked. Deny that if you like, but it is true.
if you dont like the sound of that, there are already billions of cards out there to collect.

[SaltyCracker]

there is no reason to "make less" of anything card related.
Fanatics has to get more cards, to more people.
"we" are already hooked. Deny that if you like, but it is true.
if you dont like the sound of that, there are already billions of cards out there to collect.

Seems like that’s Fanatics vision. Go from an estimated 5 million current collectors to 50 million.

[msucollector4]

What if it is a more functional StarStock? they could have an option to purchase a box/pack and have it opened live and then added to your online portal to be sold direct from there, sent off for grading, or just shipped to you.

[KhalDrogo]

Rubin’s vision is that DTC and marketing will lead to his 10x growth he thinks he can achieve. I think he’s wrong on DTC. None of his interviews strike me as someone who understands the nuances of the hobby.

[msucollector4]

Rubin’s vision is that DTC and marketing will lead to his 10x growth he thinks he can achieve. I think he’s wrong on DTC. None of his interviews strike me as someone who understands the nuances of the hobby.

The thing that makes me hopefully is that he seems willing to be more accessible and transparent which could be good in gauging reactions to moves they make.

[SupermanBrandon]

Better get the lube out. If the hobby thinks it’s bad now, just wait…


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[ZappBrannigan]

It seems like a Josh Luber is basically a glorified sneaker salesman, though his PR person would have you believe he's Steve Jobs.

Cards don't need an evolution. A '52 Mantle, Cracker Jack Cobb, Goudey Ruth or Gehrig, 1968 Ryan, thousands upon thousands of other cards-- they're all doing just perfectly fine, and don't need any evolution.

Fanatics and its top execs, however, want to take your money and herd the sheep; hence their gauche carnival barking about "evolution."

For anyone who has ever watched 30 Rock, Fanatics reminds of the Bro Body Douche CEO.

This all day long.

[salthill]

What if it is a more functional StarStock? they could have an option to purchase a box/pack and have it opened live and then added to your online portal to be sold direct from there, sent off for grading, or just shipped to you.
They’ll do that. Rubin said as much on Bill Simmons’ podcast this week.

Also, they have three main goals…
“I want us to have billions of sports fans globally, who look at Fanatics as a beloved brand, and use us to do most things digitally.”

[msucollector4]

They’ll do that. Rubin said as much on Bill Simmons’ podcast this week.

Also, they have three main goals…
“I want us to have billions of sports fans globally, who look at Fanatics as a beloved brand, and use us to do most things digitally.”

I missed that, but I think that could be a cool option for people

[boxbuster7]

What if it is a more functional StarStock? they could have an option to purchase a box/pack and have it opened live and then added to your online portal to be sold direct from there, sent off for grading, or just shipped to you.

What fun is that? The best part of the hobby is opening boxes and packs imo

[msucollector4]

What fun is that? The best part of the hobby is opening boxes and packs imo

I agree, I was thinking more along the lines of group breaks and stuff. I think having the option of having those cards added to a platform to sell without even touching them would be a neat option

[salthill]

I agree, I was thinking more along the lines of group breaks and stuff. I think having the option of having those cards added to a platform to sell without even touching them would be a neat option
They plan to vertically integrate the entire process, for consumers who want that.
ie buy, open (including breaking), grade, list, sell. All optional.

[msucollector4]

They plan to vertically integrate the entire process, for consumers who want that.
ie buy, open (including breaking), grade, list, sell. All optional.

Depending on fees and stuff, I could see myself using that service a lot.

Wonder if they will try to acquire a grading company to keep it in house?

[ewokpelts]

I am not sure what he has planned, but the Sports card space does need some fixing. What made the 52' Mantle great, is what hobby really needs, and thats limited run. Panini and Topps both overproduce, when you have the amount of sets and the amount of cards each set has, many of these cards dont have any long term value, they are meant for day traders.

Whoever is running Fanatics business needs to limit the number of sets. Have a couple high end sets, a couple mid range sets, and keep the Donruss stuff so they are still affordable for kids. Right now the hobby belongs to middle aged men, which isnt a good thing for long term viability. Maybe its just me, but the amount of production makes my head spin.
The 52 mantle is great because everyone’s mom threw them out. There might have actually been more 52 mantles PRINTED than any junk wax, but l most are in the Atlantic or a landfill.

You can still get an 88 topps wax
Pack for $1 because the number of those cards thrown out is far less than vintage cards.

C’mon people!

[YouTheManNick]

Pretty sure the real Zero Cool (if he were real) would not take too kindly to his handle being bastardized by a multi-billion dollar corporation in the name of profit.

He, Acid Burn and the rest of the Gibson Gang would have to get the band back together to bring down Fanatics.

I'm no entrepreneur... but I think this dream to grow card collecting 5-10x is just that... a dream. Collectors are born. Not made.

Just because you like sports doesn't mean you can be marketed into liking cards. No matter how many news stories come out about record high card prices, a very large amount of the population will always just roll their eyes and say "I can't believe someone would pay that much money for a stupid card" then go about their day. Has nothing to do with the distribution model or marketing. These people don't care and never will.

If this Josh Luber guy is any character from Hackers he's Eugene 'The Plague.' The hacker who sold his soul to the big corporation. And that's fine. Get paid. But trying to position yourself as a Robin Hood when you're clearly a Nottingham is pretty cringe.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Pretty sure the real Zero Cool (if he were real) would not take too kindly to his handle being bastardized by a multi-billion dollar corporation in the name of profit.

He, Acid Burn and the rest of the Gibson Gang would have to get the band back together to bring down Fanatics.

I'm no entrepreneur... but I think this dream to grow card collecting 5-10x is just that... a dream. Collectors are born. Not made.

Just because you like sports doesn't mean you can be marketed into liking cards. No matter how many news stories come out about record high card prices, a very large amount of the population will always just roll their eyes and say "I can't believe someone would pay that much money for a stupid card" then go about their day. Has nothing to do with the distribution model or marketing. These people don't care and never will.

If this Josh Luber guy is any character from Hackers he's Eugene 'The Plague.' The hacker who sold his soul to the big corporation. And that's fine. Get paid. But trying to position yourself as a Robin Hood when you're clearly a Nottingham is pretty cringe.

Very true. You are either born with the collector gene, or you’re not.

[NYRE2PECT]

Very true. You are either born with the collector gene, or you’re not.

Out of about 100 people where I work, there are exactly 2 of us that get trading cards. Most others think we are out of our minds.

Conversely, about 30 of them have some sort of pour-over coffee station in their work area.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Out of about 100 people where I work, there are exactly 2 of us that get trading cards. Most others think we are out of our minds.

Conversely, about 30 of them have some sort of pour-over coffee station in their work area.

Haha… I’m in the middle of that exact Venn Diagram!

I’ve had a few friends try to get into cards when they see my stuff, but they just don’t have that gene, so it doesn’t stick.

[Rictor]

I am not sure what he has planned, but the Sports card space does need some fixing. What made the 52' Mantle great, is what hobby really needs, and thats limited run. Panini and Topps both overproduce, when you have the amount of sets and the amount of cards each set has, many of these cards dont have any long term value, they are meant for day traders.


The 52 Mantle was overproduced actually. 500-600 cases of that series were dumped in the ocean because of the overproduction. The rarity is accidental. Kids didn't save their cards back then. They were disposable.

I know my Dad tells me he liked the Topps gum and would throw the cards away, LOL.

These days even if a card is limited to 100, it seems like it's easy to find, as all 100 are preserved. Artificial scarcity is hard to create.

[rngrdanny22]

These days even if a card is limited to 100, it seems like it's easy to find, as all 100 are preserved. Artificial scarcity is hard to create.


This is partly due to the internet. A card numbered to 100 in the early 90's was a myth talked about in card shops across the country.

[MoreToppsPlease]

They plan to vertically integrate the entire process, for consumers who want that.
ie buy, open (including breaking), grade, list, sell. All optional.

Yup, flush out as many middlemen as possible.

This will drop the value of many cards.

[MoreToppsPlease]

This is partly due to the internet. A card numbered to 100 in the early 90's was a myth talked about in card shops across the country.

This is very true. Now we know even the vast majority of 1/1s have little value

[msucollector4]

Yup, flush out as many middlemen as possible.

This will drop the value of many cards.

I would think it would affect the new stuff they put out, not necessarily everything.

but even if it does I would love to be able to rip boxes on a frequent basis again

[mc1]

Depending on fees and stuff, I could see myself using that service a lot.

Wonder if they will try to acquire a grading company to keep it in house?

Rubin is invested in CCG.

https://www.complex.com/music/jay-z-roc-nation-michael-rubin-invest-blackstone-takeover-collectibles-company

[salthill]

Rubin is invested in CCG.

https://www.complex.com/music/jay-z-roc-nation-michael-rubin-invest-blackstone-takeover-collectibles-company


Plus they already encapsulate…
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220307/a6c62e8afa01284468b962e2837e5567.jpg

[ChefCurry312]

Maybe it's a Fanatics/Topps version of epack? Have a feeling it will involve NFTs too

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Maybe it's a Fanatics/Topps version of epack? Have a feeling it will involve NFTs too

Micheal Rubin mentioned NFTs every chance he could during his recent interview with Bill Simmons. NFTs will be a huge part of Fanatics offering… as long as NFTs are still a thing and making money for them.

[Scientist78]

Am I supposed to know what a Josh Luber is?


uhhh yeaaa... Lex Luger's brother, Duh!?

:D

[NHRonin]

Interestingly, vintage and prewar cards that are scarce and desirable today achieved that scarcity by surviving through time. So the rarity was not really intended at the time of manufacturing. To last a century or so, let alone with a modicum of eye appeal, without being claimed by the sheer passage of time, it is something of a feat for an old baseball card. Some of those cards have sure seen a lot; if they could talk, as the saying goes...

On the flipside, we have cards we collected as kids—— for me, it was 1986 Topps; and we bought and loved the things just fine without any awareness or care for things like print runs. So perhaps Fanatics can make cards like that for the kids today. Not sure if it will line their pockets the way Fanatics execs want their pockets lined, though, and so I suppose that is where the manufactured scarcities come in for the adults who play in that sandbox.

Kids today aren’t like we were back then. I didn’t care what a card was worth, I just wanted cards of my favorite players. Most kids today follow the adults and want the low numbered autographed, etc. cards.

[NHRonin]

Micheal Rubin mentioned NFTs every chance he could during his recent interview with Bill Simmons. NFTs will be a huge part of Fanatics offering… as long as NFTs are still a thing and making money for them.

NFTs are the most ridiculous thing yet. The only people making big money are the ones controlling them and selling them to the rubes.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

NFTs are the most ridiculous thing yet. The only people making big money are the ones controlling them and selling them to the rubes.

Exactly. That’s the role Fanatics hopes to fill: the dealer selling to the rubes.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Kids today aren’t like we were back then. I didn’t care what a card was worth, I just wanted cards of my favorite players. Most kids today follow the adults and want the low numbered autographed, etc. cards.

I’m not sure how old you are, but kids have cared about the value of cards since at least the late 80’s/early 90’s (my childhood).

[Grid]

Interestingly, vintage and prewar cards that are scarce and desirable today achieved that scarcity by surviving through time. So the rarity was not really intended at the time of manufacturing. To last a century or so, let alone with a modicum of eye appeal, without being claimed by the sheer passage of time, it is something of a feat for an old baseball card. Some of those cards have sure seen a lot; if they could talk, as the saying goes...

On the flipside, we have cards we collected as kids—— for me, it was 1986 Topps; and we bought and loved the things just fine without any awareness or care for things like print runs. So perhaps Fanatics can make cards like that for the kids today. Not sure if it will line their pockets the way Fanatics execs want their pockets lined, though, and so I suppose that is where the manufactured scarcities come in for the adults who play in that sandbox.

Yup! This is what gets lost in translation so often.

100 years ago, not many thought to safely save and store their old tobacco cards. Condition was rough right out of the pack, as these were simply used to make tobacco pouches more stable. They were practical, and not a long term collectable.

Those that didnt get tossed right away, were often thumbtacked to walls, taped to lockers or glued in scrap books.

Even the famed 1952 Topps set. Topps made millions of those cards. They were sold in every dime store, and often news stands, back in the day. They cost a kid a penny per card, and often ended up in bike spokes, bent up with rubber bands and usually tossed out once you got older.

The fact that these cards were never made to be kept mint and safe, makes those better conditioned ones worth so much money.

They became rare by extension, and not on purpose.

[Grid]

I’m not sure how old you are, but kids have cared about the value of cards since at least the late 80’s/early 90’s (my childhood).

Meh. I'm from the same era. And us kids traded cards with other kids to complete sets, of have duplicates of our favorite players.

No one back in the 80's, at least at my school, was thinking long term collectiblity and value.

Come the early 90's, the adult collectors at the card shops were stockpiling hundreds of copies of the next "Sure Fire" rookie. Those adults remember back to the cards their moms threw out. And wanted to make sure they cashed in on the next big wave.

When SP, inserts and rare parallels started popping up in the mid 90s. That's when kids wanted to chase the same stuff as the grown ups. The adults made it cool to have those rarer cards. No one was building sets by then. It was chasing the latest and greatest.

[theshowandme]

Just got the email


“Welcome to zerocool.

We’re building the first trading card company focused on the biggest names in pop culture, art and entertainment.

Our first drop is VeeFriends — an extremely limited, premium quality, physical trading card set based on Gary Vaynerchuk’s NFT project of the same name. We’re selling the set in a Blind Dutch Auction on zerocool.com, which we think is the fairest way to sell cards.

The auction is now officially live. You have until Thursday, March 10, at 9 p.m. ET to get in your bids.

Here is more information about the VeeFriends set. If you want to learn how a Blind Dutch Auction works, this video and this explainer are both helpful.

Email us at help@zerocool.com with questions or check our FAQs.

And if you want to save this email for the future, feel free. We get it; we’re all collectors, too. Just don’t go turning it into an NFT.

Welcome to the evolution.

zerocool

“

[theshowandme]

Here is the checklist: https://zerocool.com/auctions/veefriends/checklist

This is somehow real

[rngrdanny22]

zerocool is a very astute name for this.

[ThoseBackPages]

easy pass

[boxbuster7]

Just got the email


“Welcome to zerocool.

We’re building the first trading card company focused on the biggest names in pop culture, art and entertainment.

Our first drop is VeeFriends — an extremely limited, premium quality, physical trading card set based on Gary Vaynerchuk’s NFT project of the same name. We’re selling the set in a Blind Dutch Auction on zerocool.com, which we think is the fairest way to sell cards.

The auction is now officially live. You have until Thursday, March 10, at 9 p.m. ET to get in your bids.

Here is more information about the VeeFriends set. If you want to learn how a Blind Dutch Auction works, this video and this explainer are both helpful.

Email us at help@zerocool.com with questions or check our FAQs.

And if you want to save this email for the future, feel free. We get it; we’re all collectors, too. Just don’t go turning it into an NFT.

Welcome to the evolution.

zerocool

“

I thought your post was a joke. We are doomed if Rubin and Luber are really this stupid. Hot garbage isn't even a good way to describe this. Holy #$%^

[rngrdanny22]

I thought your post was a joke. We are doomed if Rubin and Luber are really this stupid. Hot garbage isn't even a good way to describe this. Holy #$%^

I don't know about you, but I'll be chasing the 5 different 1/1's of both Optimistic Otter and Tolerant Tortoise.

[rngrdanny22]

Have you guys looked up what these look like!?

Holy God...

[itsbaytime]

Have you guys looked up what these look like!?

Holy God...


Yes, they look like my 6 year old drew and colored them while on the toilet. What a pile of trash. I think they are trying to see how much they can actually get away with.

[tier1dc]

https://i.imgur.com/cbS2ygYl.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/i85ph50l.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/T0nn9nwl.png

this has to be a social experiment.

[msucollector4]

Love the idea of the dutch blind auctions; hate the product.

But i did bid $10 just to see what happens. maybe itll be such a meme that it holds some value

[hermanotarjeta]

Is he seriously mocking us all?

[mattglet]

It's worse than I thought it would be. Props to them for that.

[theshowandme]

Out of all the people's hand drawn doodles to NFT...

Do we not have the notebooks of van Gogh, Picasso, Rembrandt, Monet, and da Vinci?

[peterose4hof]

I'm so confused. I just spent 5 minutes on their website and now I'm even more confused. WTF is this?

[theshowandme]

I'm so confused. I just spent 5 minutes on their website and now I'm even more confused. WTF is this?


They’re taking hand drawn art that were turned into NFTs and now building physical cards from those NFTs (I think)

Go get yourself a case and tell us how it goes.

[Mattsurewood]

"I'm gonna sell these hand drawn doodles, if they sell...we will be good..."


https://c.tenor.com/eCOlIHg_VaQAAAAd/tony-robbins-gary-vee.gif

[KhalDrogo]

Is he seriously mocking us all?
Yes..

[theshowandme]

Checklist has some bangers

https://zerocool.com/auctions/veefriends/checklist

[JLEICHTER35]

"There are now 4 major trading card brands....Topps, Panini, Upper Deck, Zerocool are now your 4 trading card companies..." lmfao:doh:

[imbluestreak23]

What is happening

Take me back to 2003

[Silent George]

people...work jobs...pay taxes...pay for food, shelter, clothing, transportation...then they have what little is left over from their labor to use on everything else in life, including their own personal enjoyment...and they buy this?

I feel like this is a spectacular argument to raise taxes.

[Scottish Punk]

bwahaaaa

If these sell out quickly, than I don't know what to think of our little hobby. It will prove again for me that the "thing" attached to the NFT is irrelevant. It is just about pumping and dumping.

I just can't imagine building a set of these for actual cards. Like really???

[auctionjmm]

These are not sports cards. They most likely won't be purchased by sports card collectors. They are being launched from a non-sports division. Why are baseball card people in here commenting as if this has anything to do with sports cards?

To be fair, VeeFriends has 239k followers on IG so if just .0003% of those followers buy one, they will sell out.

I say let them have their fun with an 800 box non-sports product and let's go back to worrying about baseball cards IF Fanatics even gives us a reason to worry.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Checklist has some bangers

https://zerocool.com/auctions/veefriends/checklist

At first, I honestly this was a group of modern celebrities who I just wasn’t familiar with. This looks amazingly bad.

[YouTheManNick]

These are not sports cards. Why are baseball card people in here commenting as if this has anything to do with sports cards?



Because this is likely a test run for things they plan to do with sports cards.

Big picture, auctionjmm. See it.

[boxbuster7]

Because this is likely a test run for things they plan to do with sports cards.

Big picture, auctionjmm. See it.

Exactly, they are seeing how far they can take us.

I get the feeling that these companies are upset that consumers made big profits in 2020/2021 and now they are making us all pay for it.

[Kobe101]

What does everything think the floor price will be?

I wouldn't pay $1 for these if I had to keep them. I am sure a lot of people will buy them. Gary has proved he can crap in a bag and his followers will buy it.

[Earlsnake07]

Not sure how many of you guys listed to Sports Cards Nonsense....but they have been hinting at a big announcement for today - I sure hope this isn't it - if so.....I think they will lose a bit of credibility thinking this is/was a good idea.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Not sure how many of you guys listed to Sports Cards Nonsense....but they have been hinting at a big announcement for today - I sure hope this isn't it - if so.....I think they will lose a bit of credibility thinking this is/was a good idea.

I tried listening to them for a bit, they’re okay, but had to stop. Sports Boy Jesse knows knowing about sports, and they both have an extra dislike for baseball. It’s takes them too long to actually start the show, they see, to think we’re interested in their personal lives. They talk more about celebrity cards then baseball cards, and NFTs have become a big thing for them. There’s just nothing of interest for me there. When they do actually talk about sports cards, it’s usually just basketball. So yeah, it was an easy quit for me.

[auburn35]

Nope.. but I'm sure it will sell. The same characters were used on UNO cards and that product sold out.

https://creations.mattel.com/products/veefriends-uno-card-game-hlk98

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0568/1132/3597/products/VEEFriends_CARDS_160x160.gif?v=1642802937

[rngrdanny22]

This makes bird cards look like Mike Trout.

[kyle1707]

I heard Jeff Wilson gives this a thumbs up

I was kidding when I wrote this

But it does not surprise me

So much goofy stuff in hobby and goofy you tubers

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzkyh-N5y3A

[Scottish Punk]

I heard Jeff Wilson gives this a thumbs up

Hellloooooooooooooooooo animal alliteration investors!!!!

[theshowandme]

I heard Jeff Wilson gives this a thumbs up


He might sue you for misspelling his name

[rms13]

I just listened to the podcast and this guy certainly talks a good game. I would buy those cards immediately!

[auctionjmm]

Because this is likely a test run for things they plan to do with sports cards.

Big picture, auctionjmm. See it.

So, a baseball card product, limited to 800 boxes, in reverse Dutch auction format? Sign me up. This would be great for sports cards if products like this can be created in the sports world. The concept is legit. So unless Fanatics plans to have Robinson Cano draw a bunch of goofy sketches and sell them as one product, I think we'll be okay in that regard.

[randino101]

For those that don't know, Josh Luber is the founder/CEO of StockX & supposedly has one of the biggest sneaker collections in the world.

I've bought some retail wax on his site & sold a few things as well, but this Veefriends things is a hard PASS.

Coincidentally, he bought a 2nd year Mahomes white sparkle Prizm from me on eBay last year. I thought it was a bit strange since that card was a NM-MT raw copy (and clearly described & photographed as such). Figured a dude like that could easily buy a GEM MT 10 (even at ~10k), but maybe he saves his big $$$ buys for sneakers...

[KhalDrogo]

So, a baseball card product, limited to 800 boxes, in reverse Dutch auction format? Sign me up. This would be great for sports cards if products like this can be created in the sports world. The concept is legit. So unless Fanatics plans to have Robinson Cano draw a bunch of goofy sketches and sell them as one product, I think we'll be okay in that regard.
How much Bowman Chrome X did you buy?

[boxbuster7]

I just listened to the podcast and this guy certainly talks a good game. I would buy those cards immediately!

which podcast?

[rms13]

which podcast?


Sports Card Nonsense. He was on today’s episode

[rms13]

He does have some great ideas. Making boxes collectible with chase versions of boxes is a great next level idea he mentioned. The Dutch auction at least on higher end products is also great.

[LittleJimmies]

He does have some great ideas. Making boxes collectible with chase versions of boxes is a great next level idea he mentioned. The Dutch auction at least on higher end products is also great.

Oh God, they're among us!!!!

[auctionjmm]

How much Bowman Chrome X did you buy?

Wish I had. But I wasn't involved in that one. Proves my point though. Cleared the Dutch auction at $50 and still sells around $300?

[brothertona]

Bowman absolutely, I buy a case of Bowman and they grade the hits, and I get a box full of graded cards and the base that I wanted to keep and the rest is out of sight and out of mind. Sign me up for that everyday. Flagship as well.

Depending on fees and stuff, I could see myself using that service a lot.

Wonder if they will try to acquire a grading company to keep it in house?

[mallowciraptor]

This is a joke right???

[KhalDrogo]

He does have some great ideas. Making boxes collectible with chase versions of boxes is a great next level idea he mentioned. The Dutch auction at least on higher end products is also great.
Upper Deck already did that with auto’d versions of Exquisite boxes. Not exactly the most collected item.

[rms13]

Upper Deck already did that with auto’d versions of Exquisite boxes. Not exactly the most collected item.


I was out of the hobby at that time. Was collecting wax as hot as it is now?

[YouTheManNick]

So, a baseball card product, limited to 800 boxes, in reverse Dutch auction format? Sign me up. This would be great for sports cards if products like this can be created in the sports world. The concept is legit.

These things will be in basements next to late 90's Star Wars figures and PEZ dispensers before we know it.

It's all artificial, hype driven, manufactured scarcity. I'm sure there will be plenty of early adopters who make money off suckers in the flip game. But the people left holding the bag on these are gonna get burned.

The internet has truly given new meaning to the term 'greater fool.'

[boxbuster7]

I was out of the hobby at that time. Was collecting wax as hot as it is now?

no, not even close. If I remember correctly those auto'd boxes had every card of that player

[anusinha]

Dibbs on the Flatulent Frog Superfractor

[hawkfandan]

I can’t believe the people behind something this bad are now the brain trust running our entire hobby. No es bueno.

[SupermanBrandon]

Bro! Bro!! Bro!!!

[sixtyfeet]

Scrolling this thread and I though the zerocool email was a well thought out joke / troll post. Truly an incredible feat that this is a real thing that some people will pay actual money for.

[rngrdanny22]

Bro! Bro!! Bro!!!

Bruh.

[Earlsnake07]

Who's in for the dangling donkey dong????????

[theshowandme]

Who's in for the dangling donkey dong????????

Cannot wait for the reaction videos of a kid pulling card #96 "F*** You Monday Mole"

[ThoseBackPages]

Bro! Bro!! Bro!!!

Bruh.

Brah.

[overboosted]

Sports Cards Nonsense officially jumped the shark yesterday. That huge announcement they have been teasing for over a month was some cards of Gary V NFTs!?
What a joke, Mike has hinted so many times he is NOT a fan of Gary V, and hates the whole NFT thing and the whole episode he is saying how great this junk is.
Biggest sellout ever.

[rngrdanny22]

Brah.

Brosephus.

[overboosted]

And someone said Josh Luber started StockX. That's the fine print. Main story is this guy is the co-founder and Chief Vision Officer of Fanatics Trading Cards which makes him responsible for the future of Fanatics Trading cards, which means the future of pretty much all licensed Football, Baseball, and Basketball cards.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Sports Cards Nonsense officially jumped the shark yesterday. That huge announcement they have been teasing for over a month was some cards of Gary V NFTs!?
What a joke, Mike has hinted so many times he is NOT a fan of Gary V, and hates the whole NFT thing and the whole episode he is saying how great this junk is.
Biggest sellout ever.

He started to come around a little on NFTs before I stopped listening. But yeah, very lame indeed. I think he realized it’s more profitable to be in on the NFT scam, than being on the outside. I’m sure he also wants to be in Luber’s good graces… and you can’t blame him for that. What influencer wouldn’t want that right now?

[auctionjmm]

These things will be in basements next to late 90's Star Wars figures and PEZ dispensers before we know it.

It's all artificial, hype driven, manufactured scarcity. I'm sure there will be plenty of early adopters who make money off suckers in the flip game. But the people left holding the bag on these are gonna get burned.

The internet has truly given new meaning to the term 'greater fool.'

Are we talking about the same thing? I'm talking about products like All-Star Rookie Cup, but on an even more limited basis. Imagine if that one was 800 boxes only. A Jeter autograph is a Jeter autograph whether it comes from Series 1 or an online release. You aren't going to find them in basements next to junk toys. This has long been a part of Fanatics plans to have different levels of products.

[Earlsnake07]

Sports Cards Nonsense officially jumped the shark yesterday. That huge announcement they have been teasing for over a month was some cards of Gary V NFTs!?
What a joke, Mike has hinted so many times he is NOT a fan of Gary V, and hates the whole NFT thing and the whole episode he is saying how great this junk is.
Biggest sellout ever.

Unfortunately feel the same way

Was a show that I religiously listened to 2 x week since the beginning - not going to be the case going forward. I respect the hustle, but don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining.

[KhalDrogo]

SCN lost its way a long time ago. Reflective of the “names” in the hobby in general. Just one big circle jerk for most of these guys. Nobody willing to step out of line and call #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@ on things that are #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@.

[YouTheManNick]

Are we talking about the same thing? I'm talking about products like All-Star Rookie Cup, but on an even more limited basis. Imagine if that one was 800 boxes only. A Jeter autograph is a Jeter autograph whether it comes from Series 1 or an online release. You aren't going to find them in basements next to junk toys. This has long been a part of Fanatics plans to have different levels of products.

Yeah. We've diverged a bit. I won't disagree with you on the Jeter example. But at the same time, if everything is 'high end' and 'limited' does any of it even matter after a while? My 1/1 is better than your 1/1 because Josh from cardboard chronicles says it is. At some point it's just too much manufactured rarity.


SCN lost its way a long time ago. Reflective of the “names” in the hobby in general. Just one big circle jerk for most of these guys. Nobody willing to step out of line and call #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@ on things that are #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@.


They're a part of the ringer which is owned by Bill Simmons / Spotify. Simmons has investments into card related projects. They will support whatever Simmons tells them to support... when they're not busy saying 'this guy is good... what's his rookie go for? .... $250... Eh, that might be a buy... or that could be a sell..." Real compelling stuff.


Also. Apologies for being a bit fiery on this thread, but this extreme corporate-izing of cards (and collectibles in general) that's happening right now just really irks me. Bastardizing the name of a movie character who clearly stood against corporate greed. Consolidation and monopolization. It's the 90's cranked up to a eleven thanks to social media and the internet. You can't trust any of these corporate mouthpieces. They all have an angle and spoiler alert, it's not to make you money. Has me seriously contemplating walking away from all modern cards including my PC's and just focusing on vintage. Sigh.

[dantheman514]

Sports Cards Nonsense officially jumped the shark yesterday. That huge announcement they have been teasing for over a month was some cards of Gary V NFTs!?
What a joke, Mike has hinted so many times he is NOT a fan of Gary V, and hates the whole NFT thing and the whole episode he is saying how great this junk is.
Biggest sellout ever.

I totally agree with this take. I have listened to every episode from the start, but I am out after this kiss a$$ lovefest with Luber. It was essentially a commercial for Fanatics, and they begged him to come back and do it again for future Topps releases.

[CicadaMound]

If Josh Luber does nothing else for trading cards, rebranding "nonsports" as "culture" is a genius move that should be applauded and adopted (even though sports are nothing if not culture themselves).

That said, there's another angle to think about these things - it's way easier to manipulate culture cards than sports cards, or even gaming cards. Sports cards have value tied to player performance, and gaming cards have value tied to their place in the metagame. There are real, established markets for the objects, aside from manipulators. Because fewer people currently seriously collect culture cards, new entrants are more subject to manipulation.

[imbluestreak23]

I still haven't seen a video criticizing the Fanatics takeover of the hobby.

It's truly a shame. Gotta keep it real. Luber/NFTs/Gary/SCI are all shams

[The Accountant]

Sports Cards Nonsense officially jumped the shark yesterday. That huge announcement they have been teasing for over a month was some cards of Gary V NFTs!?
What a joke, Mike has hinted so many times he is NOT a fan of Gary V, and hates the whole NFT thing and the whole episode he is saying how great this junk is.
Biggest sellout ever.

Unfortunately feel the same way

Was a show that I religiously listened to 2 x week since the beginning - not going to be the case going forward. I respect the hustle, but don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining.

SCN lost its way a long time ago. Reflective of the “names” in the hobby in general. Just one big circle jerk for most of these guys. Nobody willing to step out of line and call #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@ on things that are #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@.

I totally agree with this take. I have listened to every episode from the start, but I am out after this kiss a$$ lovefest with Luber. It was essentially a commercial for Fanatics, and they begged him to come back and do it again for future Topps releases.

Glad I'm not the only one thinking this. Honestly, ever since that episode where they broke out laughing randomly, they've kind of just been forcing the banter and laughter.

But I get it, they're in the main spotlight now and that comes with some standards / arse-kissing. Started with SGC, which was justified. Then the biggest flag for me is when they suddenly "love" NFTs... to find out they're in bed with Panini, an NFT maker. Now same thing with Luber and the blind auction junk... but I mean the guy is the face of hobby now, they have to appease that crowd if they want remain in the inside circle.

Happy for Mike and Jesse though, seem like really great guys and it's nice to see them have some success.

I'm going to keep listening although I really feel like things are different with them now as they're trying to expand content and grow the brand, rather than focus on the card stuff a lot of us are looking for.

[ThoseBackPages]

never heard of SCN

[Kobe101]

If Josh Luber does nothing else for trading cards, rebranding "nonsports" as "culture" is a genius move that should be applauded and adopted (even though sports are nothing if not culture themselves).

That said, there's another angle to think about these things - it's way easier to manipulate culture cards than sports cards, or even gaming cards. Sports cards have value tied to player performance, and gaming cards have value tied to their place in the metagame. There are real, established markets for the objects, aside from manipulators. Because fewer people currently seriously collect culture cards, new entrants are more subject to manipulation.

He made Gary Vs crappy doodle scam NFTs into crappy cards.

He should be booed and ridiculed for making this his first project. This is probably the dumbest thing done in cards this decade. This was such a lazy first move. Topps and Panini put more effort in getting gamed user jerseys then they did on this project.

[hawkfandan]

Sports Cards Nonsense officially jumped the shark yesterday. That huge announcement they have been teasing for over a month was some cards of Gary V NFTs!?
What a joke, Mike has hinted so many times he is NOT a fan of Gary V, and hates the whole NFT thing and the whole episode he is saying how great this junk is.
Biggest sellout ever.

Agree 100% - the entire thing was cringe. I couldn't believe what I was listening to. I expected to at least hear Mike say "this isn't my thing" but he just seemed to go along with it.

[SupermanBrandon]

It's become a good ole circle jerk at this point. It's becoming gross. At least try to hide it every once in a while. For a lot of these guys, it's become about being famous and gaining clout. The hobby & the cards are just the path to that.

[YouTheManNick]

I expected to at least hear Mike say "this isn't my thing" but he just seemed to go along with it.

His thing is making money. So, getting paid to shill for literally whatever Fanatics tells Bill Simmons to tell him to shill is very much his thing.

[overboosted]

I'd bet 90% of the people here don't realize Mike is semi active here. Not that he would peep his head in this thread, @Mikegioseffi

https://www.blowoutforums.com/member.php?u=35759

[SupermanBrandon]

I'd bet 90% of the people here don't realize Mike is semi active here. Not that he would peep his head in this thread, @Mikegioseffi

https://www.blowoutforums.com/member.php?u=35759


Because he might read this, people shouldn’t speak their opinions? Who cares if he’s on BO or not.


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[YouTheManNick]

I'd bet 90% of the people here don't realize Mike is semi active here. Not that he would peep his head in this thread, @Mikegioseffi

https://www.blowoutforums.com/member.php?u=35759

I'd bet 99% don't care.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

I'd bet 99% don't care.

Correct. I bet he doesn’t care either. I’m sure his word to describe us would be “donkeys”.

[overboosted]

Because he might read this, people shouldn’t speak their opinions? Who cares if he’s on BO or not.

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That's not what I was getting at. I was the first one to come in this thread and trash his podcast. I was just letting people know he is kind of "one of us". Or, at least, he was...

[k13]

And someone said Josh Luber started StockX. That's the fine print. Main story is this guy is the co-founder and Chief Vision Officer of Fanatics Trading Cards which makes him responsible for the future of Fanatics Trading cards, which means the future of pretty much all licensed Football, Baseball, and Basketball cards.

Buy hockey and soccer.
At least you can get a $100 base card in one of them.

You'll never get that in other sports.

[YouTheManNick]

Correct. I bet he doesn’t care either. I’m sure his word to describe us would be “donkeys”.

100%. Nor should he care. It's nearly impossible to create any form of entertainment that is liked by everyone. You do you as the saying goes. Find your audience, focus on them, and don't worry about everyone else.

SCN may not be for me. But there are other people that it is for. And that's fine. One of my favorite aspects about card collecting is there's so many different ways to do it. Find what suits you. Focus on that. And you'll be okay.

That said. Sometimes rolling your eyes and shaking your head in the privacy of your own home just doesn't cut it. You gotta vent a little. Even if it won't change a gosh dern thing.

Oddly enough. On a personal level. If the product that sparked this thread was named anything other than Zero Cool I probably wouldn't have even commented. Just looked at the link, rolled my eyes and went about my day. But it's the bastardization of the name of a character who stood against everything fanatics represents that really annoys me. It's such typical corporate BS. It's like if Bank of America used Robin Hood as a mascot. Or if the evangelical christian community adopted Slayer's 'South of Heaven' as their official theme song. They just don't go together. The idea that Josh the Luber sees himself as some revolutionary maverick when he's literally 'the man' when it comes to modern cards just speaks volumes to me. You ain't Zero Cool. You're The Plague. You ain't Empire Records. You're music town. You ain't Luke Skywalker. You're Emperor Palpatine. You ain't the Tampa Bay Rays. You're the New York Yankees.

Argh. I'm venting again. Sorry. I'll go now.

[overboosted]

well said

[Earlsnake07]

That's not what I was getting at. I was the first one to come in this thread and trash his podcast. I was just letting people know he is kind of "one of us". Or, at least, he was...

Exactly why I supported (listened) the show for so long - he knows BS when he sees it - been on BO forever so he has seen quite a bit.

And his original option on NFT's was probably what a majority of people on this site thought (they were/are a scam and so on)......but obviously things have flipped.

Again....I respect the hustle, but no need to talk about a "big announcement" and then come out with that.

I feel like the kid in A Christmas Story who finally got the decoder ring and all it turned out to be was a commercial for Ovaltine :doh::doh::doh::doh:

[jduds]

I write a weekly article for the SCN newsletter and have always had free reign to write what I see fit without once having any demands or even suggestions of favorable treatment to sponsors or friends (massive difference in audience size of course).
I was a bit bummed by the announcement as well at first as this first product is just not in my wheelhouse, but am looking forward to future releases (just give me some video game and Survivor products and I'll be thrilled).
Also, if you haven't check out the SCN newsletter. It's hitting its stride now and my article this week is one of my favorites I've done yet (comparing auction prices to BIN prices). https://www.sportscardsnonsense.com/hobbynews

[tjforce]

Exactly why I supported (listened) the show for so long - he knows BS when he sees it - been on BO forever so he has seen quite a bit.

And his original option on NFT's was probably what a majority of people on this site thought (they were/are a scam and so on)......but obviously things have flipped.

Again....I respect the hustle, but no need to talk about a "big announcement" and then come out with that.

I feel like the kid in A Christmas Story who finally got the decoder ring and all it turned out to be was a commercial for Ovaltine :doh::doh::doh::doh:

So you're telling me that you'll buy Gary V's 'Ovaltine Owl' card?

[peterose4hof]

I write a weekly article for the SCN newsletter and have always had free reign to write what I see fit without once having any demands or even suggestions of favorable treatment to sponsors or friends (massive difference in audience size of course).
I was a bit bummed by the announcement as well at first as this first product is just not in my wheelhouse, but am looking forward to future releases (just give me some video game and Survivor products and I'll be thrilled).
Also, if you haven't check out the SCN newsletter. It's hitting its stride now and my article this week is one of my favorites I've done yet (comparing auction prices to BIN prices). https://www.sportscardsnonsense.com/hobbynews

When I click on the link the most "current" article is from Nov 2021.

Am I doing something wrong or is that truly the most recent article?

[jduds]

When I click on the link the most "current" article is from Nov 2021.

Am I doing something wrong or is that truly the most recent article?

It's not the most recent article, but you have to sign up for the newer ones (free) and they come via email every Friday now. They haven't updated that website in a while as all the news articles are moving to another site in the next week or so.

I will add that the newsletter is a pretty different beast than it was when that November one came out (looks much better now). It's also not a great representation of subject matter as the early ones overly focused on graded card pricing articles (good info/data but a bit of overkill on my part).

[Earlsnake07]

So you're telling me that you'll buy Gary V's 'Ovaltine Owl' card?

Didnt even know that was a thing.......but hell no

Only scribble I am buying is a snake saying "word up Earl".........:D:D:D

[peterose4hof]

It's not the most recent article, but you have to sign up for the newer ones (free) and they come via email every Friday now. They haven't updated that website in a while as all the news articles are moving to another site in the next week or so.

I will add that the newsletter is a pretty different beast than it was when that November one came out (looks much better now). It's also not a great representation of subject matter as the early ones overly focused on graded card pricing articles (good info/data but a bit of overkill on my part).

Just signed up for the newsletter. Thanks!

[jduds]

Just signed up for the newsletter. Thanks!


Thanks for giving it a shot! Hope you like it. I think the best is yet to come for it, but I'm proud of what we are putting out.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

100%. Nor should he care. It's nearly impossible to create any form of entertainment that is liked by everyone. You do you as the saying goes. Find your audience, focus on them, and don't worry about everyone else.

SCN may not be for me. But there are other people that it is for. And that's fine. One of my favorite aspects about card collecting is there's so many different ways to do it. Find what suits you. Focus on that. And you'll be okay.

That said. Sometimes rolling your eyes and shaking your head in the privacy of your own home just doesn't cut it. You gotta vent a little. Even if it won't change a gosh dern thing.

Oddly enough. On a personal level. If the product that sparked this thread was named anything other than Zero Cool I probably wouldn't have even commented. Just looked at the link, rolled my eyes and went about my day. But it's the bastardization of the name of a character who stood against everything fanatics represents that really annoys me. It's such typical corporate BS. It's like if Bank of America used Robin Hood as a mascot. Or if the evangelical christian community adopted Slayer's 'South of Heaven' as their official theme song. They just don't go together. The idea that Josh the Luber sees himself as some revolutionary maverick when he's literally 'the man' when it comes to modern cards just speaks volumes to me. You ain't Zero Cool. You're The Plague. You ain't Empire Records. You're music town. You ain't Luke Skywalker. You're Emperor Palpatine. You ain't the Tampa Bay Rays. You're the New York Yankees.

Argh. I'm venting again. Sorry. I'll go now.

Good points all around. I can understand your frustration. But yeah, I’m genera, I share your basic “if it’s not for me, just move on and don’t worry about it” attitude.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

I write a weekly article for the SCN newsletter and have always had free reign to write what I see fit without once having any demands or even suggestions of favorable treatment to sponsors or friends (massive difference in audience size of course).
I was a bit bummed by the announcement as well at first as this first product is just not in my wheelhouse, but am looking forward to future releases (just give me some video game and Survivor products and I'll be thrilled).
Also, if you haven't check out the SCN newsletter. It's hitting its stride now and my article this week is one of my favorites I've done yet (comparing auction prices to BIN prices). https://www.sportscardsnonsense.com/hobbynews

That’s cool. I have no beef with Mike and Jesse. It sounds like, from a comment SCN itself posted on their IG, that they were a bit underwhelmed with the announcement themselves. Good luck on your newsletter!

[chester0711]

there is no reason to "make less" of anything card related.
Fanatics has to get more cards, to more people.
"we" are already hooked. Deny that if you like, but it is true.
if you dont like the sound of that, there are already billions of cards out there to collect.

It's an addiction. If it wasnt, then people would trade more and spend money less. We call it a hobby to mask the fact that it is another way to gamble. Yes, there are some people out there that "collect" cards as a hobby, but they make up a small portion of the card buying population. Most of us are looking for the quick buck or the the long investment, either way, its like gambling.

I have alway thought, if they found a way to make it illegal to sell sports cards, the industry would be dead in a matter of minutes.

[SleepyWill]

Being a 37 year old consumer, I find myself having 0 interest in NFTs.

However, my cousins that fall into the 18-28 year old demo are obsessed with them for some reason. Likely because they're entire world revolves around their phones and social media, the idea of owning something that isn't tangible isn't that big of a deal for them.

[duron]

I feel like the kid in A Christmas Story who finally got the decoder ring and all it turned out to be was a commercial for Ovaltine :doh::doh::doh::doh:

Splendid

[Bcr]

Looks like people were bidding thousands for a single box on Twitter. Curious on what the clearing price was.

[SupermanBrandon]

Looks like people were bidding thousands for a single box on Twitter. Curious on what the clearing price was.

To be fair...a good portion of people on Twitter are idiots!

[bubblesquirtle]

Looks like people were bidding thousands for a single box on Twitter. Curious on what the clearing price was.


Probably 3-5k wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 20-30 people who bought them all


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[Bcr]

$2,150 was the clearing price with 22,644 bids.

[SupermanBrandon]

Probably 3-5k wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 20-30 people who bought them all

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This! Im more interested to know how many different people won these. That will tell the story.

[overboosted]

Gary V bought them all

[theshowandme]

This is insane

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224881040186

[SpartanWarrior]

Yup! This is what gets lost in translation so often.

100 years ago, not many thought to safely save and store their old tobacco cards. Condition was rough right out of the pack, as these were simply used to make tobacco pouches more stable. They were practical, and not a long term collectable.

Those that didnt get tossed right away, were often thumbtacked to walls, taped to lockers or glued in scrap books.

Even the famed 1952 Topps set. Topps made millions of those cards. They were sold in every dime store, and often news stands, back in the day. They cost a kid a penny per card, and often ended up in bike spokes, bent up with rubber bands and usually tossed out once you got older.

The fact that these cards were never made to be kept mint and safe, makes those better conditioned ones worth so much money.

They became rare by extension, and not on purpose.
================

And what these guys seem to miss is the reason that the cards later became valuable was the emotional connection to getting them as a kid. Enjoying them, playing with them, collecting them. Its the memory of being a kid that created the draw as people became adults to go out and repurchase the cards.

It should concern people that there are no longer packs of cards sitting by the checkout counter of grocery stores. Yes, $20 boxes can be found at Walmart but that rules out a LOT of kids. I used to do odd jobs around the neighborhood, collect my change until I had enough for 4-5 packs and ride my bike to the store to buy some cards. That creates an emotional attachment that lasts.

Look around most card shows and you see the children of well off parents. That is fine as far as it goes and great for them to be able to enjoy silver optic RPS whatever, but it excludes the vast number of young kids whose parents don't have 100's or 1000's for their child to spend on cards.

If they care about long term health of the hobby, they will find a way to produce nice cards in packs that sell for a buck. Then if you want to print national treasure for $500 a pack or NTF's or whatever be my guest.

Its far easier to bring back a young adult into the hobby that collected as a kid than it is to convert a young adult with no memories of collecting into a collector at age 25 or 35.

[theshowandme]

That box is $4,250 with 5 days left…

The generation that needed common core, ate Tide Pods on TikTok, and spent their life savings on GameStop stock really are changing the game of cards…

[jduds]

Gary V bought them all

That is a possibility, but I doubt it due to potential for bad press if exposed. Didn't Ben Baller do that with this year's Baller Chrome release?

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

That box is $4,250 with 5 days left…

The generation that needed common core, ate Tide Pods on TikTok, and spent their life savings on GameStop stock really are changing the game of cards…

While it could very well be an actual person (from a generation you seem to dislike?), I tend to think it’s either Gary V, Josh, a financial stakeholder, or someone related to this project who is bidding this up and will set a “legit final auction value” that will make headlines. It’s possible no real money will change hands even when the sale is completed, the headlines generated (including the talk on BO) is all free advertising for them. I wouldn’t be shocked to see a number north of $15k. It needs to be a number big enough to generate talk, and generate advertising/fomo for the next release. They need people saying to themselves “I should have just bid more on the Blind Dutch Auction!”

It could also be some Gen Z idiot. I dunno…

[SupermanBrandon]

Just like a lot NFTs...the seller could also be the buyer! Highly likely.

[oldgoldy97]

Is Luber the man to drive the hobby to government regulation?

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Is Luber the man to drive the hobby to government regulation?



I doubt it, but it’s an interesting question. Fantastics paid a lot of money for these licenses, and they’re going to want to see a return sooner rather than later. So Luber will be under a lot of pressure to deliver results. Stunts like this eBay auction will only get you so far though.

[k13]

Manipulating and scamming is in Gary Vee's dna.
Don't fall for all this garbage.

[k13]

My MJholdings lady is getting lonely yet they think the hobby is getting bigger.

[kyle1707]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzkyh-N5y3A

Vee and Jeff

Makes me cringe

If you don’t think these people are trying to screw you over.

I’m not sure what tell you

My goodness

[imbluestreak23]

That video is disgusting, as is the product.

[Grizzkid12]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzkyh-N5y3A

Vee and Jeff

Makes me cringe

If you don’t think these people are trying to screw you over.

I’m not sure what tell you

My goodness

I just searched the comments to try & find one positive comment and gave up after about 5 minutes

The "creative" minds that put this thing together are legit on their own planet and not even pretending to try & put something nice together as they bend collector/investors over

This is just sad

[baseballmitts]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzkyh-N5y3A



Wow that is the worst thing I've ever seen.

[boxbuster7]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzkyh-N5y3A

Vee and Jeff

Makes me cringe

If you don’t think these people are trying to screw you over.

I’m not sure what tell you

My goodness


iconic duo

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

This is sort of a test in physical “NFTs” right? With the thought being: What if we take nothing, just a stupid drawing, put it on a card, and make it “rare” by limiting its production and creating numbered parallels. There’s no league/player association/IP licenses to acquire, just dumb scribbles of characters they own the rights to. It’s a smart move on their part to test out something like this. I’m insulted by its existence, but it’s still smart for them to at least test the waters of people’s financial stupidity. What if the guy who invented Pet Rock had been like, “Nah, that’s dumb”?

[pskell02]

Initial thought on that video.

1. Any 10 year old can design better-looking characters.
2. I hope future high end releases aren't stuffed into that same kind of small inner box.
3. Who the hell asked for a set of childish animations with no historical significance?
4. Content of the cards aside, the design is garbage.

[anusinha]

Almost seems like a troll.

"How stupid can we make a product that the hypebois will still empty their wallets over?"

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Initial thought on that video.

1. Any 10 year old can design better-looking characters.
2. I hope future high end releases aren't stuffed into that same kind of small inner box.
3. Who the hell asked for a set of childish animations with no historical significance?
4. Content of the cards aside, the design is garbage.

1. I think that’s kind of the style they were going for.
2. Yeah, watching SCI try to pull those cards out was painful. Also, he doesn’t own a box cutter for that kind of stuff?!
3. Absolutely no one. But I think this is a test to create their own cards where they owned all IP.
4. Yes. Pure garbage.

[Pixman1]

The f word on one of the cards was crass. Embarrassing- beanie babies as cards but at least beanie babies were cute.

[Athey49]

I just searched the comments to try & find one positive comment and gave up after about 5 minutes

The "creative" minds that put this thing together are legit on their own planet and not even pretending to try & put something nice together as they bend collector/investors over

This is just sad

Loved the one comment: "You could hit up the local Dennys and find better drawings on their placemats"

[CicadaMound]

Parkside Squishmallows >>> Zerocool Veefriends

[Yanks23]

Sci is doing a live with Josh on ig. Should be interesting to see reactions. My guess all bad comments blocked.

[imbluestreak23]

Just created a vid poking fun at this trash.

Dropping it tomorrow. Word needs to get out to hopefully deter this type of innovation moving forward.

The last thing we need is for sneakerhead hypebois to like this, want more of it, and that's where Fanatics puts their efforts moving forward.

[majestik101]

ZeroCoolCards Vee Friends is the worst product since Topps Project 2020

[Grizzkid12]

Just created a vid poking fun at this trash.

Dropping it tomorrow. Word needs to get out to hopefully deter this type of innovation moving forward.

The last thing we need is for sneakerhead hypebois to like this, want more of it, and that's where Fanatics puts their efforts moving forward.

Post the link when it drops please

Was just searching my known Sportscard podcasts/YT channels to see if anyone was trashing it yet and "shockingly" no one was

It's almost like the well known influencers in this hobby don't want to talk bad about Fanatics & Luber out of fear that could come back to bite them. Dare I say they're in it for the *gasps MONEY

But yea, it's crazy seeing how literally every single person on the YT vid trashed it and then on the IG interview all of the positive comments were coming from well known hobby accounts (or ones that think they are).

Just like Fanatics wants us to enter a new generation of collecting with zerocool, we're entering a new generation of shilling.

Influencers publicly suck up to said company trying to get on their good side and say nice things about a crap product so that the average Joe who unfortunately follows said influencers advice goes out and buys it.

Marketing 101 I suppose, but it's kinda gross to watch on the ground floor and when it's so blatant on a turd sandwich product.

[hammertime]

4. Content of the cards aside, the design is garbage.

THIS. A million times this. Straight money grab.

[imbluestreak23]

Post the link when it drops please

Was just searching my known Sportscard podcasts/YT channels to see if anyone was trashing it yet and "shockingly" no one was

It's almost like the well known influencers in this hobby don't want to talk bad about Fanatics & Luber out of fear that could come back to bite them. Dare I say they're in it for the *gasps MONEY

But yea, it's crazy seeing how literally every single person on the YT vid trashed it and then on the IG interview all of the positive comments were coming from well known hobby accounts (or ones that think they are).

Just like Fanatics wants us to enter a new generation of collecting with zerocool, we're entering a new generation of shilling.

Influencers publicly suck up to said company trying to get on their good side and say nice things about a crap product so that the average Joe who unfortunately follows said influencers advice goes out and buys it.

Marketing 101 I suppose, but it's kinda gross to watch on the ground floor and when it's so blatant on a turd sandwich product.

Just dropped it.

It is a shame. I went through the comment section of some other videos and the number of people lining up to buy this is truly fascinating.

_IwVC4jHuBk

[Kobe101]

Just dropped it.

It is a shame. I went through the comment section of some other videos and the number of people lining up to buy this is truly fascinating.

_IwVC4jHuBk

Watched the video and a relatively new subscriber. Good content man!

[dantheman514]

A 1/1 has now hit eBay, listed by Probstein (which seems fitting somehow): https://www.ebay.com/itm/373976103071?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338002588&toolid=20008&mkevt=1

[Grizzkid12]

Just dropped it.

It is a shame. I went through the comment section of some other videos and the number of people lining up to buy this is truly fascinating.

_IwVC4jHuBk

Holy hell what an amazing and informative review. Couldn't agree more

My only critique would be when you had that graphic up that said "SUCKS" I'd make it larger :D

Thanks for telling it like it is and being true to the hobby.

We need more peeps like you to get recognition in it :)!

[Handsome Wes]

So either one of two things is going on.

One, the market is being manipulated because no one in their right mind is laying down $6K for this junk, which is what's happening on eBay. Reminds me of the "Retro Video Game Auction Scam" - companies / people are colluding with each other to artificially inflate prices.

Two, I am like Principal Skinner at the 4H Club saying "Am I so out of touch...? No, it's the children who are wrong."

[Grizzkid12]

So either one of two things is going on.

One, the market is being manipulated because no one in their right mind is laying down $6K for this junk, which is what's happening on eBay. Reminds me of the "Retro Video Game Auction Scam" - companies / people are colluding with each other to artificially inflate prices.

Two, I am like Principal Skinner at the 4H Club saying "Am I so out of touch...? No, it's the children who are wrong."

High, high chance the market is being manipulated

Not sure how many of these sold at 6k or whatever, but if you're this company with all of the money (and ideas to print more and more of these as Luber already confirmed), knowing how heavily collectors are going to weigh what the secondary market does on your first release would you not allocate say $120,000 of the 1.8 million you made off this junk to set artificial sales and prop up the market?

But we wouldn't think a company who releases such an amazing, clear non-money grab kind of product like zerocool would do such things, right?

[imbluestreak23]

Watched the video and a relatively new subscriber. Good content man!


Holy hell what an amazing and informative review. Couldn't agree more

My only critique would be when you had that graphic up that said "SUCKS" I'd make it larger :D

Thanks for telling it like it is and being true to the hobby.

We need more peeps like you to get recognition in it :)!

Much appreciated guys. Man, listening to folks talk about this on the interwebs is incredibly frustrating. Listening to Gary talk about VeeFriends and where the NFT world is going...there needs to be a complete delineation of cards and NFTs, and we as a hobby need new faces for the community.

[hammertime]

Someone on FB said (apparently with a straight face): "VeeFriends is going to be the new Disney". What are these people smoking.

[CicadaMound]

Someone on FB said (apparently with a straight face): "VeeFriends is going to be the new Disney". What are these people smoking.

As someone who actually follows the animation industry, that's the funniest part of the whole debacle. Where are the actual small children who will be nostalgic for this stuff? Where are the merchandising tie-ins, the cartoons, the storybooks, the fruit snacks?

Granted, the Series 2 designs are much better. If he's serious about the project he'd better hire actual animation/children's media writers though.

https://blog.veefriends.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Screen-Shot-2022-03-07-at-10.48.18-AM.png

I wasn't kidding about the Squishmallow cards btw.

[BayAreaChris]

I am not a fan of the designs but if you’re surprised by the success then you haven’t been following culture NFTs. The comparable Veefriends NFTs are selling for huge profits and if people want the physical card to pair it with those profits, it’s no skin off their back.

The market for these cards can’t be sports card collectors. It’s the entertainment and culture market. The same people buying all the NFTs, speculating, and creating groups tied to that.

[Bcr]

I can't wait for the NFT craze to end. It should have been over a long time ago, but you have guys like Gary Vee and collectible companies pumping out this garbage that makes a ton of easy money.

[imbluestreak23]

I can't wait for the NFT craze to end. It should have been over a long time ago, but you have guys like Gary Vee and collectible companies pumping out this garbage that makes a ton of easy money.

I just listened to Gary's Full Send podcast just to hear about NFTs a bit more. The rationale and logic behind it has fallacies. He puts the criticism of NFTs exclusively on those who do not understand the technology, overlooking the fact that there are folks who don't believe it's going to take off. He also contradicts himself considerably. "NFTs are a digital flex as that's all people want to do now a days." Next sentence, "people in it for the money aren't happy and need to re-evaluate their lives."

[Zauron]

Speaking of websites, whatever happened to that guy promoting that buysportscards website?

[Bcr]

Zerocoolcards just retweeted this. And yes these are the same breakers that tried to scam the Trevor Lawrence Kaboom awhile back.

https://twitter.com/backyardbreaks_/status/1504539388235202564?s=20&t=u8GB5GHvhRGdOODvbtEnUA

[mc1]

Speaking of websites, whatever happened to that guy promoting that buysportscards website?

https://media0.giphy.com/media/fe4dDMD2cAU5RfEaCU/giphy.gif

[KhalDrogo]

Zerocoolcards just retweeted this. And yes these are the same breakers that tried to scam the Trevor Lawrence Kaboom awhile back.

https://twitter.com/backyardbreaks_/status/1504539388235202564?s=20&t=u8GB5GHvhRGdOODvbtEnUA
Wow! I just pissed myself. Can’t believe that happened. I’ve never seen anything so awesome in my life!

[imbluestreak23]

Cesspool

[SupermanBrandon]

Is everyone enjoying the anal probing yet? Just wait and see how far they go w/ the probe. We're playing "Just the Tip" right now.

[Goldie]

I think it's important to not link to their Twitter page - gives them more fame and notoriety when they're absolutely among the most unbearable and dishonest people I've come across in this hobby (which is saying something).

The fact that they're linked so heavily to this is reason #1, even moreso than the ridiculous designs, that these products should be avoided like the plague for anything but a game of hot potato.

[Scottish Punk]

I just listened to Gary's Full Send podcast just to hear about NFTs a bit more. The rationale and logic behind it has fallacies. He puts the criticism of NFTs exclusively on those who do not understand the technology, overlooking the fact that there are folks who don't believe it's going to take off.

Most people who are into NFTs use the excuse when somebody pushes back on NFTs. Those people just don't get it. There are blind NFT haters for sure. There are many who bring up valid criticisms with NFTs and their attached brother cryptocurrency.

[Grizzkid12]

Zerocoolcards just retweeted this. And yes these are the same breakers that tried to scam the Trevor Lawrence Kaboom awhile back.

https://twitter.com/backyardbreaks_/status/1504539388235202564?s=20&t=u8GB5GHvhRGdOODvbtEnUA

If this release/ the people Fanatics is backing so far are a sign of whats to come, this hobby is going to be unbearable soon

May just have to buy up enough wax to last a few years if I'd like to rip something once in a blue, unfollow all hobby social media accounts, and live in my own little bubble with complete blinders on to anything going on in this "hobby" until hopefully the "influencers" move on to the next thing or I just drop dead.

Never thought I'd say this, but I have a feeling I'm going to miss all of the previous hobby villains of the last few years (Topps, Panini, distributors etc) and wish that things were as "bad" as they have post 2019.

The greed is real and these guys aren't leaving a single dollar on the table and are showing zero tact while doing so

[The Accountant]

Just created a vid poking fun at this trash.

Dropping it tomorrow. Word needs to get out to hopefully deter this type of innovation moving forward.

The last thing we need is for sneakerhead hypebois to like this, want more of it, and that's where Fanatics puts their efforts moving forward.

Really digging your channel man. Especially those grading piles. I'll keep watching :)!

[sdsportscards]

Ive been collecting cards as a kid. Have hundreds, probably thousands of graded cards at home. Have sold hundreds online as well (moreso recently). I ALSO own my own real estate business. Both a team of agents (sales), and a development side (filps, spec homes). Only mention that to share that I'm not some 20 year old NFT Gary V stan.

Reading this thread, I'm honestly pretty surprised at the hate being spewed.

I've followed Gary Vaynerchuk's content for about 10 years now. I read two of his books and follow his content on social media. The guy is ON TOP of the marketing game. Some of his tactical advice has helped me grow my businesses DRAMATICALLY. He got his start by growing his dad's liquor store back in the early 2000s from a $3mm local shop to a $60mm online superstore, thanks to YouTube & Google PPC.

I only say all of that to say that I've seen nothing scammy about the dude. I legit have no idea where the negativity is coming from.

Past couple of years, I've seen him more and more active in the sports cards world. Mostly because he loved collecting as a kid (talked about that a lot on social media, how he used to sell at the National as a kid). He actually mentioned that he actively stopped talking about certain cards because he was getting so much hate as a "pump and dumper" and stuff back in 2020. He runs a 9 figure advertising company, why would he risk his reputation "pumping and dumping" Kevin Durant rookies?

As for VeeFriends (Discl: I own 4), he was early in the NFT space. He's released VeeFriends at .5 eth (~$1,800) and the floor on that project is ~15 eth (~$45,000) each now. They're stupid doodles, but thats the thing with NFTs, you're not buying the art (some NFTS are good art, most arent), you're buying into the community behind it. With VeeFriends, each NFT folder gets access to Gary's conference for the next 3 years. The more rare ones have other access levels (hangouts, Facetimes, etc). Again, as far as the NFT space goes, VeeFriends is one of the ONLY ones that ISN'T a complete piece of crap scam. I guess, if you just dont like NFTs in general, you'd think that it was all dumb, or a scam, in which case I guess I get your point. But nothing about what Gary is doing specifically is scammy.

I dont know guys, I honestly just don't see what you're seeing.

As far as ZeroCool (I dont own any) it's just Fanatics stepping into the non-sports cards market. Find people in the CULTURE, who have DEMAND, and make a product that sells. Looks to me like they nailed it.

[hammertime]

They're stupid doodles, but thats the thing with NFTs, you're not buying the art (some NFTS are good art, most arent), you're buying into the community behind it.

https://media.tenor.com/images/2f9b0e2be3b636771cdc5d0b978d0978/tenor.gif

[imbluestreak23]

Really digging your channel man. Especially those grading piles. I'll keep watching :)!

Much appreciated friend :)!

[KhalDrogo]

Here’s how the hobby feels about these clowns. About 100 responses in each poll.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220323/148797298ef540a1b974982a60a46fbd.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220323/95fbac027cf5b5ec997992bd15781842.jpg

[overboosted]

I gave up on the sports cards nonsense podcast. If anyone else did and wants a replacement, Sports Card Nation is pretty good. Also, PSA's new podcast is good too.

[bubblesquirtle]

Here’s how the hobby feels about these clowns. About 100 responses in each poll.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220323/148797298ef540a1b974982a60a46fbd.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220323/95fbac027cf5b5ec997992bd15781842.jpg

I think getting Gary vee as their entry point for NON SPORTS is fairly decent. Disregarding the artwork of the cards, the quality and presentation gives me hope for future projects/brands/auto signers they pick up.

[hawkfandan]

I gave up on the sports cards nonsense podcast. If anyone else did and wants a replacement, Sports Card Nation is pretty good. Also, PSA's new podcast is good too.

I will check Sports Card Nation out, thanks for the rec.

[OhioLawyerF5]

With VeeFriends, each NFT folder gets access to Gary's conference for the next 3 years. The more rare ones have other access levels (hangouts, Facetimes, etc).

Again, as far as the NFT space goes, VeeFriends is one of the ONLY ones that ISN'T a complete piece of crap scam.

These two quotes, back to back in your post, seem very contradictory to me. I read the first quote and all I could think of was that you were describing some scam at the local hotel where a motivational speaker put on a conference to teach losers how to win friends and influence people. The very definition of a scam. Then your second quote says this is the only one that isn't a scam. I'm not seeing the disconnect here. I mean, if you need friends and marketing advice, by all means, buy NFTs for the "community". Not me. Any time you have to spend money to make a "friend", what you are making is most certainly not a friend.

[JoshMN]

These two quotes, back to back in your post, seem very contradictory to me. I read the first quote and all I could think of was that you were describing some scam at the local hotel where a motivational speaker put on a conference to teach losers how to win friends and influence people. The very definition of a scam. Then your second quote says this is the only one that isn't a scam. I'm not seeing the disconnect here. I mean, if you need friends and marketing advice, by all means, buy NFTs for the "community". Not me. Any time you have to spend money to make a "friend", what you are making is most certainly not a friend.

I agree with your comment, but I don't think it is worth the effort.

As Warren Buffett said:
“If you've been playing poker for half an hour and you still don't know who the patsy is, you're the patsy.”

[hammertime]

Disregarding the artwork of the cards, the quality and presentation gives me hope for future projects/brands/auto signers they pick up.

Really? Disregarding the artwork, the entire design looks bland and phoned-in.

[sdsportscards]

These two quotes, back to back in your post, seem very contradictory to me. I read the first quote and all I could think of was that you were describing some scam at the local hotel where a motivational speaker put on a conference to teach losers how to win friends and influence people. The very definition of a scam. Then your second quote says this is the only one that isn't a scam. I'm not seeing the disconnect here. I mean, if you need friends and marketing advice, by all means, buy NFTs for the "community". Not me. Any time you have to spend money to make a "friend", what you are making is most certainly not a friend.

I hear what you're saying. I really do. He's got a Discord community with over 200,000 members. And millions more who follow via social media, and get advice/tips for free. Nobody has to buy an NFT, and they can still learn a lot from the guy. As for the second quote, I'm simply saying that in the landscape today, 90%+ of the NFT projects are scams, or simply not going to make it. VeeFriends is one of the few blue chip projects.

[sdsportscards]

I agree with your comment, but I don't think it is worth the effort.

As Warren Buffett said:
“If you've been playing poker for half an hour and you still don't know who the patsy is, you're the patsy.”

Such an L take. Anyone who bought a VeeFriend at release has made 10-40x on their purchase. I don't think any of them, me incl, are complaining about that.

[JRX]

Most people who are into NFTs use the excuse when somebody pushes back on NFTs. Those people just don't get it. There are blind NFT haters for sure. There are many who bring up valid criticisms with NFTs and their attached brother cryptocurrency.

Those are the people that don't realize they're the marks / future bag holders.

[Hockey24xx]

Such an L take. Anyone who bought a VeeFriend at release has made 10-40x on their purchase. I don't think any of them, me incl, are complaining about that.

The only ones who have made a cent are the ones who have sold. Never forget that. Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Tomorrow that could be zero.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Such an L take. Anyone who bought a VeeFriend at release has made 10-40x on their purchase. I don't think any of them, me incl, are complaining about that.

That's how most scams work. Those who are in early make the money because they dump it on someone else who is left holding the bag when the artificially created market crashes.

[OhioLawyerF5]

I hear what you're saying. I really do. He's got a Discord community with over 200,000 members. And millions more who follow via social media, and get advice/tips for free. Nobody has to buy an NFT, and they can still learn a lot from the guy. As for the second quote, I'm simply saying that in the landscape today, 90%+ of the NFT projects are scams, or simply not going to make it. VeeFriends is one of the few blue chip projects.

Then let's call it for what it is, a social network you joined. It's not trading cards, or even NFTs. It's a social network. You can take away the NFTs or cards and it will be the same for you, correct? Then the NFTs are clearly just a way for Gary to make money off you. A scam in the purest sense of the word.

[SupermanBrandon]

Ever wonder why Gary says the exact same things over and over and over? It’s called brainwashing. Easy for those on the outside to see…very difficult for the followers to admit.

[Biohazarddfl]

Such an L take. Anyone who bought a VeeFriend at release has made 10-40x on their purchase. I don't think any of them, me incl, are complaining about that.Have you legitimately sold any? Or are basing the profits on what other sales have gone for? I'm curious because all of the sales on eBay look shilled.

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[mattglet]

Ever wonder why Gary says the exact same things over and over and over? It’s called brainwashing. Easy for those on the outside to see…very difficult for the followers to admit.

Gary sees how well it works in politics, why not in sports cards!

[hawkfandan]

In his latest manifesto (“I wrote a thing 2.0”) Luber states the following:

“Gary is one of the most important people in the world today.”

Alrighty then.

[KhalDrogo]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220326/844e9d1787f3d1a040766d48507c34d3.jpg

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220326/844e9d1787f3d1a040766d48507c34d3.jpg

Please tell me there’s a lawsuit coming…

[KhalDrogo]

Please tell me there’s a lawsuit coming…
Hopefully!