Carson Wentz traded to Washington

[Gurds]

Per Schefter

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1501630862261108742?t=ZgVS2sRznXJgCTUciO-Jaw&s=19

[Soxrule111]

Didn’t expect that. Hopefully Trubisky ends up in Indy now

[Cavaliercards]

Didn’t expect that. Hopefully Trubisky ends up in Indy now

Definitely NY due to their new coach

[Cavaliercards]

Per Schefter

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1501630862261108742?t=ZgVS2sRznXJgCTUciO-Jaw&s=19

Yet another bad Redskins QB

[Bo knows]

The Redskins gave up two third round picks and paid his full $28 million salary and $5 million bonus. Holy #@#@#@#@.

[kaisersoze]

that is a massive haul for a questionable bump (if any) over Taylor Heinicke. happy as a giants fan

[alphaomegas]

Per Schefter

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1501630862261108742?t=ZgVS2sRznXJgCTUciO-Jaw&s=19

to the moon!!! o wait he not good

[beavers]

So where do the Colts turn? Jimmy G? Deshaun?

[lambeauleap87]

Terrible trade by the Colts to begin with, but that's actually not a bad return given the circumstances.

[majestik101]

So where do the Colts turn? Jimmy G? Deshaun?

Jameis

[LCM1223]

:cry:

[Brobocop]

The amount of draft picks that have been traded for this guy has to be some kind of record. Crazy stuff.

[Bo knows]

Terrible trade by the Colts to begin with, but that's actually not a bad return given the circumstances.

Not a Colts fan, but so many teams like to pretend like they didn’t make a mistake, so good for them for admitting it and moving on so quickly. And Washington, my gosh, what are you doing.

[Grid]

Oh my!

Trade terms, per sources…

Colts get:
🏈2022 third-round pick
🏈2023 third-round pick that can become a second if Carson Wentz plays 70 percent of plays.
🏈2022 second-round pick

Commanders get:
🏈QB Carson Wentz
🏈2022 second-round pick.

[49ersSF]

Here comes the Andrew Luck rumors.

[TheHeel]

Steep price for the human injury.

[Bosoxfan5990]

that is a massive haul for a questionable bump (if any) over Taylor Heinicke. happy as a giants fan

Washington went from 60-1 to win the Super Bowl to 75-1 after the trade. :D

[jplarson]

Oh my!

Trade terms, per sources…

Colts get:
🏈2022 third-round pick
🏈2023 third-round pick that can become a second if Carson Wentz plays 70 percent of plays.
🏈2022 second-round pick

Commanders get:
🏈QB Carson Wentz
🏈2022 second-round pick.


Good stuff! To follow up a bit on the total impact for the Colts. For a 2021 one-year rental of Carson Wentz:

Colts received:
🏈2022-2nd (42nd)
🏈2022-3rd (73rd)
🏈2023-2nd or 2023-3rd

Colts gave up:
🏈2021-3rd (84th)
🏈2022-1st (16th)
🏈2022-2nd (47th)

[Grid]

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[TheHeel]

I would have preferred Jimmy over Wentz

[SleeperCards]

I would have preferred Jimmy over Wentz

Indy may feel the same.

[altaeria]

Is Heinicke an unrestricted free agent? He may actually work as a steady "game manager" for a run-heavy team like Indy.

[gopowergoh]

Give me some jlove to the colts

[coltsnsox07]

Just snap the GD ball directly to Taylor every play, problem solved.

[49ersSF]

Jimmy G will be wearing a Colts uniform by the end of the week.

[asujbl]

If only the Browns hadn’t pissed away that entire draft I could talk more trash… since I didnt like Wentz from the get and everyone here told me I was wrong

But I can’t because the Browns messed it all up… I wanted Bosa or Ramsey… should have listened to me

Typical

[asujbl]

Commanders odds to win the SB went down, yes down, after the trade

Because Wentz is that bad

[asujbl]

Great trade for the Eagles. They get to catch passes from Wentz again

Stolen from Twitter

[jplarson]

Great trade for the Eagles. They get to catch passes from Wentz again

Stolen from Twitter

lol that's fantastic. Can't wait for the Bears to pick up Wentz in 4 years. Seems like a very Bearsy thing to do.

[49erRCCollector]

I'm sure a study exists but if you did a study over time of draft picks and weighted them to an average round/pick # against performance, longevity and success at their position, some of these picks for players might make more sense?

How many 3rd rounders are a) better than Wentz (who plays a key position) and actually pan out?

I guess it comes down to his good a team is a drafting versus trading that draft capital.

[JWBlue]

I dunno. I guess I am in the minority. They get a QB that was playing at an MVP level for half a season not that long ago.

I'm sure a study exists but if you did a study over time of draft picks and weighted them to an average round/pick # against performance, longevity and success at their position, some of these picks for players might make more sense?

How many 3rd rounders are a) better than Wentz (who plays a key position) and actually pan out?

I guess it comes down to his good a team is a drafting versus trading that draft capital.

That is why it is not a bad trade.

[rman112]

Why do the Colts think Jimmy G is an upgrade?

[splitrockgamer]

Great trade for the Eagles. They get to catch passes from Wentz again

Stolen from Twitter

:D:D:D

[49ersSF]

Jimmy to the Colts for some needed picks and Jameis to the 49ers as a FA would be a dream scenario for me.

[majestik101]

Jameis to the 49ers as a FA would be a dream scenario for me.

Will never happen. Former Buc John Lynch wants no part of JabooWins

[discodanman45]

Rich Eisen said the Colts are trying to go all in to get Derek Carr. It will be interesting to see what they do.

[majestik101]

Rich Eisen said the Colts are trying to go all in to get Derek Carr. It will be interesting to see what they do.

If that happens Vegas Dave will change his name to Indy Dave or Oily Dave after Lucas Oil Stadium

[49erRCCollector]

Jimmy to the Colts for some needed picks and Jameis to the 49ers as a FA would be a dream scenario for me.

Good lord, why?

[altaeria]

I dunno. I guess I am in the minority. They get a QB that was playing at an MVP level for half a season not that long ago.

Not that long ago???
Alex Smith was the starting QB in KC that same year.

[88horsepower]

I almost don't care who the Colts pick up at this point, I'm just glad to be done with the Wentz project. The guy wasn't a leader and despite being gifted a league leading rushing attack, couldn't play consistently well and often made some seriously boneheaded decisions. He's not a coachable player, based on everything I've seen. If Reich couldn't get through to him, I don't see how anything will change for Wentz in Washington. Wentz was an utter failure when the Colts merely needed him to be competent down the stretch. The losses to Vegas and Jacksonville sealed his fate.

As for who the Colts bring in, all the usual suspects are being named and very few feel like more than a lateral move. Carr intrigues me, but I can't imagine what the Colts will have to give up to get him. Jimmy, Winston, Trubisky, Bridgewater...none of those names inspire me. This will be the fifth year in a row the Colts will have a different starting quarterback under Reich. That's insane. In fact, I cannot recall any team in the last 30 years that had this kind of turnover at the most important position on the field.

[escapegoat]

wentz was also throwing to pittman, a rapidly declining hilton, pascal, and mo allie cox.

they’ll need to upgrade that WR cast pronto too

[Boo]

Wentz was actually decent most of last year (with a good running game). Heard from weeks 6-15 (or something like that) he was a top 5 QBR QB.

McLaurin is better than anything the Colts had as well.

To me Wentz was worth 2 third round picks.

[JWBlue]

Wentz was actually decent most of last year (with a good running game). Heard from weeks 6-15 (or something like that) he was a top 5 QBR QB.

McLaurin is better than anything the Colts had as well.

To me Wentz was worth 2 third round picks.

I don’t get the bashing of this guy. His overall performance the past few seasons hasn’t been close to bad.

[Boo]

I don’t get the bashing of this guy. His overall performance the past few seasons hasn’t been close to bad.

He's had some really, really bad games

[esoxwaters]

This will be the fifth year in a row the Colts will have a different starting quarterback under Reich. That's insane. In fact, I cannot recall any team in the last 30 years that had this kind of turnover at the most important position on the field.

Cowboys, Bears, Dolphins, and Raiders from the early aughts shuffled a lot of QBs through.

Specifically, the 1999-2018 Browns would like a word with you:

1999 Tim Couch / Ty Detmer
2000 Doug Pederson / Tim Couch / Spergon Wynn
2001 Tim Couch
2002 Tim Couch / Kelly Holcomb
2003 Kelly Holcomb / Tim Couch
2004 Jeff Garcia / Luke McCown / Kelly Holcomb
2005 Trent Dilfer / Charlie Frye
2006 Charlie Frye / Derek Anderson
2007 Derek Anderson / Charlie Frye
2008 Derek Anderson / Brady Quinn / Ken Dorsey / Bruce Gradkowski
2009 Brady Quinn / Derek Anderson
2010 Colt McCoy / Jake Delhomme / Seneca Wallace
2011 Colt McCoy / Seneca Wallace
2012 Brandon Weeden / Thad Lewis
2013 Jason Campbell / Brandon Weeden / Brian Hoyer
2014 Brian Hoyer / Johnny Manziel / Connor Shaw
2015 Josh McCown / Johnny Manziel / Austin Davis
2016 Cody Kessler / Robert Griffin III / Josh McCown
2017 DeShone Kizer / Kevin Hogan
2018 Baker Mayfield / Tyrod Taylor

[jplarson]

Cowboys, Bears, Dolphins, and Raiders from the early aughts shuffled a lot of QBs through.

Bears quarterback shuffle indeed. Just at the turn of the century:

2000 - McNown 9, Matthews 5, Miller 2
2001 - Miller 13, Matthews 3
2002 - Miller 8, Chandler 7, Burris 1
2003 - Stewart 7, Chandler 6, Grossman 3
2004 - Krenzel 5, Hutchinson 5, Quinn 3, Grossman 3
2005 - Orton 15, Grossman 1
2006 - Grossman 16
2007 - Grossman 7, Greise 6, Orton 3
2008 - Orton 15, Grossman 1
2009 - Cutler 16


Carson Wentz looks like Jay Cutler 2.0 and Jeff George 3.0.

[jplarson]

This will be the fifth year in a row the Colts will have a different starting quarterback under Reich. That's insane. In fact, I cannot recall any team in the last 30 years that had this kind of turnover at the most important position on the field.

Having mentioned the Bears, I get it from a Colts fan perspective. Since 1998, the position was always a stable one, only surpassed by the stability of the Packers. The last 4-5 years have been a whirlwind for Indy fans, it sucks to be on the other side of the coin now.

[21Pittsburgh58]

Cowboys, Bears, Dolphins, and Raiders from the early aughts shuffled a lot of QBs through.

Specifically, the 1999-2018 Browns would like a word with you:

1999 Tim Couch / Ty Detmer
2000 Doug Pederson / Tim Couch / Spergon Wynn
2001 Tim Couch
2002 Tim Couch / Kelly Holcomb
2003 Kelly Holcomb / Tim Couch
2004 Jeff Garcia / Luke McCown / Kelly Holcomb
2005 Trent Dilfer / Charlie Frye
2006 Charlie Frye / Derek Anderson
2007 Derek Anderson / Charlie Frye
2008 Derek Anderson / Brady Quinn / Ken Dorsey / Bruce Gradkowski
2009 Brady Quinn / Derek Anderson
2010 Colt McCoy / Jake Delhomme / Seneca Wallace
2011 Colt McCoy / Seneca Wallace
2012 Brandon Weeden / Thad Lewis
2013 Jason Campbell / Brandon Weeden / Brian Hoyer
2014 Brian Hoyer / Johnny Manziel / Connor Shaw
2015 Josh McCown / Johnny Manziel / Austin Davis
2016 Cody Kessler / Robert Griffin III / Josh McCown
2017 DeShone Kizer / Kevin Hogan
2018 Baker Mayfield / Tyrod Taylor

Great post! This makes me chuckle at the Browns organization.

[therealcjc33]

If that happens Vegas Dave will change his name to Indy Dave or Oily Dave after Lucas Oil Stadium

I mean, he is a greaseball so it's only fitting

[GaryPayton]

What are some good RCs to get of his? I imagine the 2016 Optic RR Holo or Select Silver.

[TC79]

wentz was also throwing to pittman, a rapidly declining hilton, pascal, and mo allie cox.

they’ll need to upgrade that WR cast pronto too

Wentz was not throwing wide open checkdowns to JT, who had room to run and could make people miss even if he wasn't wide open. That was infuriating.

[rms13]

All of the stories coming out of Indy make me believe Wentz is one of the worst teammates and worst human beings alive.

[jplarson]

We got it ALL wrong. The Colts are also sending a 7th rounder. Totally recontextualizes the trade. Commanders get a double promotion to Rear Admirals for the swindling.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/platform/amp/2022/3/10/22971091/colts-reportedly-also-sending-commanders-a-7th-round-pick-in-carson-wentz-trade

[Retired hobbist]

Commanders odds to win the SB went down, yes down, after the trade

Because Wentz is that bad

Actually that is up. When a team or athlete is bet against the odds lengthen against them and it's vice versa the other way.

I can't see Heinken beer is better than Wentz. It's not like Wentz is Blake Bortles or some other junk qb.

[88horsepower]

All of the stories coming out of Indy make me believe Wentz is one of the worst teammates and worst human beings alive.

Worst human beings alive? I’m not a fan of his, but worst human beings?

[rman112]

Worst human beings alive? I’m not a fan of his, but worst human beings?

Sorry, man. He's #1 the worst. There was a vote.

[JosieD]

All of the stories coming out of Indy make me believe Wentz is one of the worst teammates and worst human beings alive.

I haven't seen any. What is being posted?

[rms13]

I haven't seen any. What is being posted?

Just that none of his teammates, coaches or ownership liked him from the moment he arrived. He doesn't have any leadership skills, he has an abrasive personality, he is resistant to coaches and plays too recklessly. Basically the same things everyone in Philly said. Apparently Wentz requested a meeting with Jim Irsay after the season to clear the air and Irsay declined. He sounds like Jay Cutler 2.0

[Retired hobbist]

Just that none of his teammates, coaches or ownership liked him from the moment he arrived. He doesn't have any leadership skills, he has an abrasive personality, he is resistant to coaches and plays too recklessly. Basically the same things everyone in Philly said. Apparently Wentz requested a meeting with Jim Irsay after the season to clear the air and Irsay declined. He sounds like Jay Cutler 2.0

7 picks is reckless? Obviously there seems to be too much smoke for him to be the greatest teammate. He could be a guy who's success went to his head and is now not listening to advice.

People said Cutler but he could be Jeff George 2.0 too.

[Siberian13]

Just that none of his teammates, coaches or ownership liked him from the moment he arrived. He doesn't have any leadership skills, he has an abrasive personality, he is resistant to coaches and plays too recklessly. Basically the same things everyone in Philly said. Apparently Wentz requested a meeting with Jim Irsay after the season to clear the air and Irsay declined. He sounds like Jay Cutler 2.0

This makes someone one of the worst human being alive. :cry:

[rms13]

This makes someone one of the worst human being alive. :cry:

Maybe that's an exaggeration but that's seems like the opinion of everyone that has played or worked with him from the stories I've read. I mean, he has to be a pretty bad person if everyone across two organizations has a bad opinion of him. Now he goes to a real dumpster fire situation so that should be fun.

[Onions]

Maybe that's an exaggeration but that's seems like the opinion of everyone that has played or worked with him from the stories I've read. I mean, he has to be a pretty bad person if everyone across two organizations has a bad opinion of him. Now he goes to a real dumpster fire situation so that should be fun.

There were some unnamed "sources" out of Philly saying he was a bad teammate, then many named sources that came out to refute it publicly. Most of the bad press on him this year was because he decided to not take the vaccine.

I like Wentz, but he just doesn't know when to give up on a play. He tries to play hero ball and he gets injured or makes a bone-headed mistake as a result. If he can't get that part of his game figured out, he will never be more than a middle of the road QB. If he does, he could be very, very good. He is quickly running out of chances though.

Locally we have an annual charity fundraiser for all non-profits. We are a small company, and each year allow our employees to donate $250 to a charity of their choice. One of my employees chose Carson's AO1 charity this year. About 2 hours after submitting the donation, Carson himself called my office and personally thanked us for the donation. It was the only call we got thanking us. I thought that was pretty cool.

[altaeria]

Locally we have an annual charity fundraiser for all non-profits. We are a small company, and each year allow our employees to donate $250 to a charity of their choice. One of my employees chose Carson's AO1 charity this year. About 2 hours after submitting the donation, Carson himself called my office and personally thanked us for the donation. It was the only call we got thanking us. I thought that was pretty cool.

This is kinda related to the problem. He tends to only respect situations if they're all about him.

[EBCollectibles]

I haven't seen any. What is being posted?

Yea show us where you seen that or do you work for CNN?

[Onions]

This is kinda related to the problem. He tends to only respect situations if they're all about him.

I guess I don't look at charitable foundations as selfish endeavors.

If you go looking for people that say Carson is a bad teammate, you can find it. If you go looking for people that say he is a good teammate, you can find that too. Truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

People are allowed bad days. Hell, Micheal Jordan punched Steve Kerr (and others) in practice and is still the GOAT.

[JosieD]

Just that none of his teammates, coaches or ownership liked him from the moment he arrived. He doesn't have any leadership skills, he has an abrasive personality, he is resistant to coaches and plays too recklessly. Basically the same things everyone in Philly said. Apparently Wentz requested a meeting with Jim Irsay after the season to clear the air and Irsay declined. He sounds like Jay Cutler 2.0

I am an Eagles fan and think we moved on from him way too fast. Philly media is ridiculous. They say the dumbest stuff all the time and overreact to everything.

[JosieD]

Yea show us where you seen that or do you work for CNN?

I was talking about the Indy situation specifically.