Official Cleveland Guardians (fka Cleveland Indians) 2022 Season Thread

[OhioPlayer]

have been watching some Grapefruit League games--Arias looks legit-skipped AA ball and was the third youngest player in AAA. i'm sure the Guardians will keep him down to control his years. The outfield looks like a trainwreck unless they can get franmil reyes to play out there regularly. Bullpen is Clase without many other experienced relievers.

[RobTheGood]

Maybe this thread title doesn’t need the old team name displayed…

[JRamIsTheKing]

I have to admit, as a lifelong Indians fan dating to Super Joe, I am really struggling to connect to the team. Listening to a game and they are talking about some team I've never heard of. Most players that are unknown, and those that are known are being offered for trade. The team does nothing to improve year after year. I no longer live in Ohio.

Leaning toward becoming a free agent.

[tribefan1979]

My username is tribefan1979 and I'm not sure I could name half the players that will be in our starting lineup on opening day.

[lambeauleap87]

Love that the two free agent signings were in the form of a AAAA back-up catcher and Bryan Shaw. This team isn't even going to pretend to try to be watchable with a $45 million payroll and holes at catcher, 1B, 2B, LF, and RF (and throughout the bullpen). All while disconnecting from the fan base with a botched rebrand.

At least they went all-in on their NRI deals this year with Enyel de los Santos, the retread corpse of Sandy Leon, Jake Jewell, and Ian Gibaut.

[callou2131]

Bobby Bradley is the GOAT

[asujbl]

I've never cared about a Baseball season less than I do right now

[fungi2510]

So maybe the axe should fall on this thread. Kinda useless, don'tcha think?

[Raleigh504]

It will be useless until they go on a run and some how become playoff relevant for a month or so.... or if:

- Franmil stays healthy and hits a ton of HR
- J-Ram is top 3 in MVP voting through the whole year with a shot at winning
- Bieber/Civale/Plesac all have a great year and are top 15 in Cy Young with one of them winning it
- McKenzie looking like a legit #1 starter


This could all happen, but we will have no run support. J-Ram will go 2-4, Franmil will hit a HR with no one on. The starter will either have no runs and then the bullpen gives up the 1-0 lead or give up 1 run in a 0-1 loss.

[Raleigh504]

My username is tribefan1979 and I'm not sure I could name half the players that will be in our starting lineup on opening day.

Granted nobody is a real lock for starting except

3B J-Ram (unless they trade him)
CF Straw
DH Franmil

To me, every position is really open and the guys who are competing for them are AAAA players, farm system guys, some old guy they signed as an invite or someone who started 2-3 years ago and then lost their job.

[LVDan]

It will be useless until they go on a run and some how become playoff relevant for a month or so.... or if:

- Franmil stays healthy and hits a ton of HR
- J-Ram is top 3 in MVP voting through the whole year with a shot at winning
- Bieber/Civale/Plesac all have a great year and are top 15 in Cy Young with one of them winning it
- McKenzie looking like a legit #1 starter


This could all happen, but we will have no run support. J-Ram will go 2-4, Franmil will hit a HR with no one on. The starter will either have no runs and then the bullpen gives up the 1-0 lead or give up 1 run in a 0-1 loss.

IF Biebs returns to form I expect the SP to be among the league's best ERA wise. Im expecting strong showings from T McK and Quantrill. Both are talented enough to not need Civale and Plesac to be world beaters IMO.

The offense though, yeah lots and lots of question marks. Maybe a Steven Kwan -type surprises and becomes a solid OF for them. Maybe Bradley is consistent enough to let the power play all year. Maybe Bradley Zimmer isnt a total stiff. Who knows.

[Raleigh504]

IF Biebs returns to form I expect the SP to be among the league's best ERA wise. Im expecting strong showings from T McK and Quantrill. Both are talented enough to not need Civale and Plesac to be world beaters IMO.

The offense though, yeah lots and lots of question marks. Maybe a Steven Kwan -type surprises and becomes a solid OF for them. Maybe Bradley is consistent enough to let the power play all year. Maybe Bradley Zimmer isnt a total stiff. Who knows.

Agreed, if we let up 2+ runs then realistically we won't have a chance to win. Hopefully Bradley can hit 35+ HR (with limiting Ks) and Franmil can get 42+. I expect Ramirez to hit a lot of doubles like he did in 2017 when he led the league. That will help out in getting (hopefully) an easy run each time.

Also, I think they shut down a lot of their staff last year because they didn't have a shot at going to the playoffs/wanted the young guys to play and see for this year. So I think Bieber will be fine, it is just getting off the rust from not facing competition in so long.

[JRX]

You mean the 37M payroll isn't going to fill the seats? Another cheapskate owner that has completely ruined a franchise and decided to just bank the revenue sharing money. I remember when they set the records for sellouts. Ramirez probably gets traded this year or next. Bieber as well.

[lambeauleap87]

IF Biebs returns to form I expect the SP to be among the league's best ERA wise. Im expecting strong showings from T McK and Quantrill. Both are talented enough to not need Civale and Plesac to be world beaters IMO.

The offense though, yeah lots and lots of question marks. Maybe a Steven Kwan -type surprises and becomes a solid OF for them. Maybe Bradley is consistent enough to let the power play all year. Maybe Bradley Zimmer isnt a total stiff. Who knows.

I can't figure out what they are doing in the outfield - you know at this point Zimmer (850+ career PAs with a .657 OPS/79 wRC+), Mercado (800+ career PAs, .686 OPS/82 wRC+), and Naylor (650 career PAs, .695 OPS/87 wRC+ coming off a massive injury with -- defense) are not legitimate MLB players, at least not on good teams.

Nolan Jones was bad last year and still hasn't resumed full activity off of his injury late last season. George Valera has 100 PAs above A-ball. They want to try Amed Rosario in LF (with all of 126 career innings there as a career SS).

I think their complete lack of planning in the OF is the most discouraging part because it's like they didn't even fake an attempt - the AAA outfield right now is going to be failed prospects/TTO guys Will Benson/Oscar Gonzalez with Daniel Johnson too, who belongs in the Mercado/Zimmer bucket. Not even any NRI signings to hold out fake hope for!

[tribefan26]

My username is tribefan1979 and I'm not sure I could name half the players that will be in our starting lineup on opening day.

I’m with you.

[LVDan]

I can't figure out what they are doing in the outfield - you know at this point Zimmer (850+ career PAs with a .657 OPS/79 wRC+), Mercado (800+ career PAs, .686 OPS/82 wRC+), and Naylor (650 career PAs, .695 OPS/87 wRC+ coming off a massive injury with -- defense) are not legitimate MLB players, at least not on good teams.

Nolan Jones was bad last year and still hasn't resumed full activity off of his injury late last season. George Valera has 100 PAs above A-ball. They want to try Amed Rosario in LF (with all of 126 career innings there as a career SS).

I think their complete lack of planning in the OF is the most discouraging part because it's like they didn't even fake an attempt - the AAA outfield right now is going to be failed prospects/TTO guys Will Benson/Oscar Gonzalez with Daniel Johnson too, who belongs in the Mercado/Zimmer bucket. Not even any NRI signings to hold out fake hope for!

I have moderate hopes for Johnson and Benson maybe. Mercado at his best seems league avg across the board. Zimmer wouldve been cut long ago if it weren't for A- their OF dire straits. B- Him losing so much time due to injury before last year. C- Showing super high sprint speed and and an occasional 450'+ HR. Now is his last best shot.
There are plenty of semi talented OF/1B/DH types blocked in MLB that coulda been had for a bag o balls to create some more competition in camp but as it looks now lets just say that it's the worst OF in MLB, again.

[asujbl]

So maybe the axe should fall on this thread. Kinda useless, don'tcha think?

Once they trade Jose, which they will, it can shut down

[SaltyCracker]

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[OhioPlayer]

Franmil Jram Bieber and Clase are fun to watch. Team will be interesting if they play the kids.

[beavers]

Steven Kwan has looked good. Does he not have any cards?

[Tanker1812]

Franmil Jram Bieber and Clase are fun to watch. Team will be interesting if they play the kids.

Arias was optioned to Columbus today.

I wish they’d give up on the Bobby Bradley experiment already and move Chang to 1st and let Arias see the bigs playing 2nd and platooning at SS with Giminez.

Our infield talent thru the organization is amazing but it’s so clogged up right it’s a wonder when we will ever be able to see guys like Arias, Freeman and Rocchio

[Chris Lyle]

I usually try to be optimistic with the team, but there is nothing really to be optimistic about.
The outfield will be a revolving door with no one getting an everyday shot to even see if they can perform.
JRam will be gone at some point (the extension may happen just to make his value go up)
The front office literally signed a back up catcher and Bryan Shaw.... YIKES.... They are not even trying.
This will be like when Kevin Milwood won the ERA title and had a losing record... Sorry Biebs...
Bullpen is the worst it has been in quite sometime

The Dolan's need to go and I was hoping for the minority owner but not sure what happened there...

[Chris Lyle]

I can't figure out what they are doing in the outfield - you know at this point Zimmer (850+ career PAs with a .657 OPS/79 wRC+), Mercado (800+ career PAs, .686 OPS/82 wRC+), and Naylor (650 career PAs, .695 OPS/87 wRC+ coming off a massive injury with -- defense) are not legitimate MLB players, at least not on good teams.

Nolan Jones was bad last year and still hasn't resumed full activity off of his injury late last season. George Valera has 100 PAs above A-ball. They want to try Amed Rosario in LF (with all of 126 career innings there as a career SS).

I think their complete lack of planning in the OF is the most discouraging part because it's like they didn't even fake an attempt - the AAA outfield right now is going to be failed prospects/TTO guys Will Benson/Oscar Gonzalez with Daniel Johnson too, who belongs in the Mercado/Zimmer bucket. Not even any NRI signings to hold out fake hope for!


I still think though that the revolving door of outfielders that Francona uses and never just giving someone the job is part of the problem with the OF. Now I'm not saying any of the guys you mentioned would be great, but Francona's style does not help younger players.

[OhioPlayer]

I still think though that the revolving door of outfielders that Francona uses and never just giving someone the job is part of the problem with the OF. Now I'm not saying any of the guys you mentioned would be great, but Francona's style does not help younger players.

They don’t want to pay a dime for outfielders. If you were jram why would you want to sign long term? It seems the days of investing in a winning team are over

[Raleigh504]

I usually try to be optimistic with the team, but there is nothing really to be optimistic about.
The outfield will be a revolving door with no one getting an everyday shot to even see if they can perform.
JRam will be gone at some point (the extension may happen just to make his value go up)
The front office literally signed a back up catcher and Bryan Shaw.... YIKES.... They are not even trying.
This will be like when Kevin Milwood won the ERA title and had a losing record... Sorry Biebs...
Bullpen is the worst it has been in quite sometime

The Dolan's need to go and I was hoping for the minority owner but not sure what happened there...

From what I heard, there is a new minority owner (other one sold his shares to buy Royals) has options/ability to buy the team in 5-6 years. Not sure how the new guy would be about spending, but I assume he would be better.


https://calltothepen.com/2021/12/21/the-cleveland-guardians-get-a-new-minority-owner/

[Raleigh504]

I still think though that the revolving door of outfielders that Francona uses and never just giving someone the job is part of the problem with the OF. Now I'm not saying any of the guys you mentioned would be great, but Francona's style does not help younger players.

Yea I am not a fan of platooning unless the two players are older vets and need the days off.

I remember Zimmer starting off great during his rookie season before injuring his shoulder sliding into first. He then couldn't stay healthy. Mercado then came up in his place and played great for a rookie, but the second year he couldn't progress.

I think Naylor could be a solid option in RF if he plays up to his potential however coming off a bad injury, I worry he may be slower now in the field and have to rely on playing 1B.

I prefer Chang at either 2B or 3B and the way he is playing, he should earn the starting spot on opening day.

Let the young guys play and see what they can do.

[JRX]

You know there are only 10 teams with a payroll under 100M, and only 4 with a payroll under 50m. At this point, the As, Pirates, Cleveland, and Bal should be threatened with contraction. Its a joke that they're all just at or below 40m. They're really the only 4 teams not trying at all. Its a shame because they've all had great runs in the past.

[LVDan]

Im curious to see how Quantrill does. I used his 2nd half success as an excuse to buy a bunch of his RC parallels for peanuts. Well, peanut shells actually. *Shrugs*

[ClevelandIC]

You know there are only 10 teams with a payroll under 100M, and only 4 with a payroll under 50m. At this point, the As, Pirates, Cleveland, and Bal should be threatened with contraction. Its a joke that they're all just at or below 40m. They're really the only 4 teams not trying at all. Its a shame because they've all had great runs in the past.

I hate being a Cleveland apologist but they are very much in contention again this year. Last year their top three starters all missed multiple months and still finished 2nd in the division and a decent record until the All-Star Break when the wheels started falling off. They may not pay anybody but they're trying and will compete with what could be one the best divisions in baseball. They've done it every year for about a decade.

[JRX]

They've done well developing pitchers, but you can't tell me 37M where 18 of it are Ramirez and Bieber is trying.

[ClevelandIC]

They've done well developing pitchers, but you can't tell me 37M where 18 of it are Ramirez and Bieber is trying.

Their front office is trying, ownership is not. I think Cleveland could have four top 15 cy young finishes this year if the starting 5 holds up. And Cal Quantrill could be the best of all of them.

@LVDan well done on buying. He is limited to a couple of late 2019 releases and will be on some more radars in May.

[auctionjmm]

It's hard to discuss payroll in MLB when everyone who is pre-arbitration is basically playing for peanuts regardless of how good they are. It's good clickbait to trash a team with a 39 million payroll but then you consider: Triston McKenzie, Zach Plesac, Aaron Civale, Myles Straw, and Emmanuel Clase are all pre-arb. 60% of your rotation and your closer. What would be "fair market" for those guys? Bieber is only making 6 million. Franmil at 4.5 Quantrill at 2.5. You get the point. They are worth far more than 39 million in terms of talent.

The key will be whether or not the team makes the moves to sign and extend these guys. As others have said, this could be a lethal rotation for years to come. Still a solid farm system as well. That 39 million can balloon very quickly when you start paying guys what they are worth.

I'm optimistic that an 80-82 team who lost nobody of significance and dealt with injuries all year could at least be in the conversation again. When you are this young, it's hard to know just how good you might actually be.

[ScooterD]

It's hard to discuss payroll in MLB when everyone who is pre-arbitration is basically playing for peanuts regardless of how good they are. It's good clickbait to trash a team with a 39 million payroll but then you consider: Triston McKenzie, Zach Plesac, Aaron Civale, Myles Straw, and Emmanuel Clase are all pre-arb. 60% of your rotation and your closer. What would be "fair market" for those guys? Bieber is only making 6 million. Franmil at 4.5 Quantrill at 2.5. You get the point. They are worth far more than 39 million in terms of talent.

The key will be whether or not the team makes the moves to sign and extend these guys. As others have said, this could be a lethal rotation for years to come. Still a solid farm system as well. That 39 million can balloon very quickly when you start paying guys what they are worth.

I'm optimistic that an 80-82 team who lost nobody of significance and dealt with injuries all year could at least be in the conversation again. When you are this young, it's hard to know just how good you might actually be.

Excellent point that I hadn’t considered.

[JRX]

When you have a bunch of young cheap pitching, that's the time you sign a bunch of fa position players and make a run for it. Were they even involved with any fa this offseason? Spend another 70-100m and go for it. You're telling me they couldn't have done the Correa deal because you have Rosario? Sign a 1B, etc. What exactly is the plan, extend all the starters and then have no money for pos players? They have the second lowest payroll in baseball and are 60M behind the Reds.

[asujbl]

Can we talk about the god awful "team song" that was released today? Or just ignore it since it's so stupid?

I'm good with either

[Raleigh504]

I just read they expect their payroll to get to $50MM by opening day. Hopefully that means an extension for Ramirez.

Hopefully with the young arms, they can sign some team friendly extensions with some and then get some additional assets for others they don't.

Remember how angry people were for not signing Kluber? Ended up trading him away to Texas for Clase and Deshields and so many people were pissed. Kluber has looked a shell of himself outside of the no-hitter he threw and we got one of the top 5 closers in the league. I can see a few guys on the rotation that end up having a career like Kluber (which isn't bad at all) where the money spent isn't worth it.

Cleveland staff is really the MVP because they are able to identify young talent and help them become very good players or young stars.

[Raleigh504]

Can we talk about the god awful "team song" that was released today? Or just ignore it since it's so stupid?

I'm good with either

This? Yes, not that good...

https://youtu.be/poL6M_kSNUg

[auctionjmm]

When you have a bunch of young cheap pitching, that's the time you sign a bunch of fa position players and make a run for it. Were they even involved with any fa this offseason? Spend another 70-100m and go for it. You're telling me they couldn't have done the Correa deal because you have Rosario? Sign a 1B, etc. What exactly is the plan, extend all the starters and then have no money for pos players? They have the second lowest payroll in baseball and are 60M behind the Reds.

I agree with this 100% but I think we are a year too early for that. Remember, they did spend up leading to 2016 when they knew they had a run in them so there is precedent for making a few splashes when they feel they are getting close.

I think with them being so young and not knowing exactly what they have yet, it made sense to wait a year. Let's find out more about Gimenez, Chang, Rosario. Is Arias ready? Is Steven Kwan on the right trajectory to start alongside Straw? Will JRam re-sign? Can we lock up Bieber? If they can answer some of those questions and solidify a few positions, maybe sign some key extensions, then they could head into offseason with a better plan for trades and free agency. And if they really shock the world and end up in a playoff race, maybe they would advance the timeline with some deadline deals. I guess I'm okay with another year of middling if it provides clarity on what moves will be best for the long term.

[dfr52]

You mean the 37M payroll isn't going to fill the seats? Another cheapskate owner that has completely ruined a franchise and decided to just bank the revenue sharing money. I remember when they set the records for sellouts. Ramirez probably gets traded this year or next. Bieber as well.

Great post, completely agree.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by JRX View Post
You mean the 37M payroll isn't going to fill the seats? Another cheapskate owner that has completely ruined a franchise and decided to just bank the revenue sharing money. I remember when they set the records for sellouts. Ramirez probably gets traded this year or next. Bieber as well.

Great post, completely agree.

Unfortunately it doesn't matter. Pro sports is at a point where regardless people won't stop going and watching. Changing from an all time great legendary name to a terrible name, not spending any money, not looking like contenders for the foreseeable future. Dolan is a piece of garbage. But enough people will still watch and go to games. I couldn't even begin to guess how much Indians baseball I watched on tv the last 25+ years. How many 100s of games I've been to. Went to every playoff and World Series game except for 1 since 2007. I don't plan on ever watching or going to a Guardians of the Game game. If they ever make the playoffs I will probably watch because it's playoff baseball. Not because I ever want to watch them play.

Very few people care or will change. I'm in the very small minority. If people quit going to games and stopped watching maybe it would change. If thousands of people showed up opening day to protest maybe it would help. I've never attended a protest in my life but if I knew thousands would be protesting opening day I would go and protest.

[base set]

Did the Cleveland baseball club try out their new Guardians uniforms a few times last year?

I doubt that and fully expect the Topps photoshop department got their work in early, on an S1 Guardians card I pulled today.

[Raleigh504]

So reports are Padres are trying to get J-Ram before Opening Day... they are supposedly pursuing him hard. I feel that if they can't extend him then they may trade him sooner than later

IF he were to get traded to SD, who would you want in return?
I can see CJ Abrams, an MLB level OF, and a few lower tier prospects.

[OhioPlayer]

So reports are Padres are trying to get J-Ram before Opening Day... they are supposedly pursuing him hard. I feel that if they can't extend him then they may trade him sooner than later

IF he were to get traded to SD, who would you want in return?
I can see CJ Abrams, an MLB level OF, and a few lower tier prospects.


I would be surprised if cj would be included.


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[Chris Lyle]

Sad when I see a guy like Meadows get traded to the Tigers for a middle infielder prospect... This front office isn't even trying...

[Chris Lyle]

So reports are Padres are trying to get J-Ram before Opening Day... they are supposedly pursuing him hard. I feel that if they can't extend him then they may trade him sooner than later

IF he were to get traded to SD, who would you want in return?
I can see CJ Abrams, an MLB level OF, and a few lower tier prospects.

Not sure Abrams would be involved. I think he should be. If not it better be 2 MLB Level guys and go from there.

[Chris Lyle]

I agree with this 100% but I think we are a year too early for that. Remember, they did spend up leading to 2016 when they knew they had a run in them so there is precedent for making a few splashes when they feel they are getting close.

I think with them being so young and not knowing exactly what they have yet, it made sense to wait a year. Let's find out more about Gimenez, Chang, Rosario. Is Arias ready? Is Steven Kwan on the right trajectory to start alongside Straw? Will JRam re-sign? Can we lock up Bieber? If they can answer some of those questions and solidify a few positions, maybe sign some key extensions, then they could head into offseason with a better plan for trades and free agency. And if they really shock the world and end up in a playoff race, maybe they would advance the timeline with some deadline deals. I guess I'm okay with another year of middling if it provides clarity on what moves will be best for the long term.

i get your point, but in those years where you have a 39M, can't they at least try to bring in someone to help the OF?

[Raleigh504]

Not sure Abrams would be involved. I think he should be. If not it better be 2 MLB Level guys and go from there.

Also, we would probably need to include a Middle Infield prospect on our end because we would have way too many. I could see a lower ceiling guy getting added.

They typically do well recently in trades so I would assume if they do trade him that we would get a nice haul.

Also I heard in contrast that all this trade talk is swirling so that Cleveland will give a better offer to J-Ram instead of the 4 year 89MM offer they did before.

[Chris Lyle]

Also, we would probably need to include a Middle Infield prospect on our end because we would have way too many. I could see a lower ceiling guy getting added.

They typically do well recently in trades so I would assume if they do trade him that we would get a nice haul.

Also I heard in contrast that all this trade talk is swirling so that Cleveland will give a better offer to J-Ram instead of the 4 year 89MM offer they did before.

I'd be open to that. We could've traded one of those middle infield prospects probably for Meadows.

[ClevelandIC]

JRam Extended!

[asujbl]

With this year, and his 2023 option, it's basically 150 over 7 years

That's a freaking steal

Finally something good for Cleveland fans

[ClevelandIC]

With this year, and his 2023 option, it's basically 150 over 7 years

That's a freaking steal

Finally something good for Cleveland fans

True hometown discount. I believe Jose really wanted to be here for the long term. One of the best team-friendly contracts in all of baseball. Next up is Bieber in my opinion. Will hopefully happen around the All-Star break if he has a good first two months, or going into the start of next season.

[Raleigh504]

True hometown discount. I believe Jose really wanted to be here for the long term. One of the best team-friendly contracts in all of baseball. Next up is Bieber in my opinion. Will hopefully happen around the All-Star break if he has a good first two months, or going into the start of next season.

Wow that is a steal and a full no trade clause too.

[NCWolf]

Perhaps Jose is the real lifer that Freddie claimed to be.

[NYRE2PECT]

J Ram 5 years $124M

[NYRE2PECT]

Perhaps Jose is the real lifer that Freddie claimed to be.

Ouch :D

[beavers]

Kwan is the greatest player in the history of the game. Go Beavs

[auctionjmm]

Kwan is the greatest player in the history of the game. Go Beavs

I thought ST might have been a fluke but anyone who gets 8 hits during opening weekend deserves a little attention. I can't believe he's never had a card before. 5th round pick who hit .300+ in his minor league career and hasn't even appeared in a Pro Debut or Heritage Minors set. Crazy.

[tribefan1979]

Kwan is the greatest player in the history of the game. Go Beavs

Ichiro Jr!!! Kwan Series 2 to the moon!!!

[Raleigh504]

I like our current OF set up with Straw, Kwan and Mercado. Also not against getting Conforto if there is any decrease in play from the OF or a cheaper playoff push guy.

[Chris Lyle]

I like our current OF set up with Straw, Kwan and Mercado. Also not against getting Conforto if there is any decrease in play from the OF or a cheaper playoff push guy.


I just hope that Francona just let's them play and it looks like he is going to. At least till Naylor is healthy

[Raleigh504]

I just hope that Francona just let's them play and it looks like he is going to. At least till Naylor is healthy

Which is great... Good thing with Naylor is he can play 1B too. Bobby hasn't been great and Chang has been ok so far. He could play OF to give one of them a day off too along with playing 1B.

[Tanker1812]

I like our current OF set up with Straw, Kwan and Mercado. Also not against getting Conforto if there is any decrease in play from the OF or a cheaper playoff push guy.

I’m hoping we see Oscar Gonzalez called up at some point. I’m not ready to give up on Mercado but if push comes to shove I’d like to see an OF if Kwan, Straw and Gonzalez.

[LVDan]

Franmil has been trash so far. Good thing I love him unconditionally like a family member with the flu.

[Chris Lyle]

Which is great... Good thing with Naylor is he can play 1B too. Bobby hasn't been great and Chang has been ok so far. He could play OF to give one of them a day off too along with playing 1B.

Yeah hopefully Francona doesn't start a revolving door and let's the guys play.

[Chris Lyle]

I’m hoping we see Oscar Gonzalez called up at some point. I’m not ready to give up on Mercado but if push comes to shove I’d like to see an OF if Kwan, Straw and Gonzalez.

Would like to see Gonzalez also, but I am ok with just letting mercado play and see what happens for now. Another home run today

[Chris Lyle]

Franmil has been trash so far. Good thing I love him unconditionally like a family member with the flu.

As we all know Reyes is so streaky. But the start has not been very good

[fatjacksonfan]

I think Franmil started slow last year too

[Raleigh504]

As we all know Reyes is so streaky. But the start has not been very good

I think Franmil started slow last year too

He keeps chasing the curves/sliders outside the zone.... once he fixes that then he will be good.

[Rememberthepast]

I’m bumping this thread so all six Cleveland fans know there’s a thread for them and don’t need to create a new player thread anytime someone hits the ball well for a couple days.

[Alwayslefty]

Franmil has been trash so far. Good thing I love him unconditionally like a family member with the flu.

This ^^^^^^^. Smh...

[Raleigh504]

Double header today! They brought up the #3 prospect in the organization, Gabriel Arias and starting 2B today. Hopefully he does well. Will be curious on who that pushes out with the amount of guys that can play the MI....
- Arias
- Chang
- Rosario
- Clement (playing OF today)
- Gimenez
- Miller

[Pixman1]

Bye bye Bobby Bradley. Such a prolific signer too.

[Raleigh504]

I may be wrong, but it seems like in years past that Cleveland would develop young guys. Then not retain them and have a talented player go into FA. Now it seems that they get these young guys, then they have a flash in the pan for a season or two, struggle then are after thoughts.

Bieber isn't the same dominate pitcher, Civale was supposed to be that #1-C option behind him with Plesac being a #1 starter in the second slot. McKenzie is doing pretty decent for a #4 starter, but still can do better (doing amazing compared to the other 4 though). I also think this can be attributed to Hedges if he is the one calling the game and not the coach relaying it in to him.


Definitely not consistent on offense and Francona seems to always mix up the lineups to try and outsmart the other team. I will be curious to see when he decides to hang it up, I don't see Cleveland ever firing him just because he is a big name manager to coach in a smaller market (and want to).

[rippev]

Triston McKenzie just shutting down my Astros! He’s got an arm.

[Alwayslefty]

Triston McKenzie just shutting down my Astros! He’s got an arm.

He looked smooth last night. Been more aggressive this year and looks like he’s got a shot at a front end guy. Not sure he’ll be an ace ever but could end up a strong 2.

[Chris Lyle]

Regardless of what happens with this team going forward they are a lot of fun. You never know what is going to happen next. The next few weeks will be interesting with the Dodgers and Twins, etc on the schedule

[Philthy]

I have not been able to watch any Guardian games this year (fan of a NL East team), but I come in peace!

I was in a "years of bowman" break and bought Cleveland particularly because I liked your prospects in 2021 and 2022 products. However, I ended up hitting a sparkle auto of Oscar Gonzalez. I went to BRef to check it out and see he's with the big club and hitting .400 in 65 PA.

I am not very familiar with this guy, is there a consensus on his ceiling? Is he expected to be an everday major leaguer? I know I could look some of this up, but its fun to discuss with fans. Thanks!

[Alwayslefty]

I’m no expert. But he trains with Manny Ramirez and has the same fearless approach as manny. Not the mastery of the strike zone yet. The fear is not the tools, it’s fear he will swing at too many pitches out of the zone. He’s gotten a lot of hits this year already hitting bad balls. Make no mistake, he’s a tough out. He will go oppo, hit situationally. Most impressive is his bat speed and contact rate. I think he stays. Major holes in Cleveland’s outfield. He’s got amazing tools. Seems like a great op for him. The big hope is he starts to elevate the ball and show off his power.





I have not been able to watch any Guardian games this year (fan of a NL East team), but I come in peace!

I was in a "years of bowman" break and bought Cleveland particularly because I liked your prospects in 2021 and 2022 products. However, I ended up hitting a sparkle auto of Oscar Gonzalez. I went to BRef to check it out and see he's with the big club and hitting .400 in 65 PA.

I am not very familiar with this guy, is there a consensus on his ceiling? Is he expected to be an everday major leaguer? I know I could look some of this up, but its fun to discuss with fans. Thanks!

[itsbaytime]

I am aware that no one really cares, but Jram is a beast and on pace for 170 rbis.

[Raleigh504]

I am aware that no one really cares, but Jram is a beast and on pace for 170 rbis.

Game last night the announcers were literally saying if he played for New York or Boston then he would be getting MVP talk the way he is playing.

[BlockShotStop]

Game last night the announcers were literally saying if he played for New York or Boston then he would be getting MVP talk the way he is playing.

He's the most under-hyped dude in the game. He's a monster and because he's in Cleveland (which I love, see my handle), he's ignored.

[Chris Lyle]

Game last night the announcers were literally saying if he played for New York or Boston then he would be getting MVP talk the way he is playing.

If he were in NY or Boston I think the MVP would already be his to lose. IMO. But hey I will take him in CLE awards or no awards.

[Chris Lyle]

I have not been able to watch any Guardian games this year (fan of a NL East team), but I come in peace!

I was in a "years of bowman" break and bought Cleveland particularly because I liked your prospects in 2021 and 2022 products. However, I ended up hitting a sparkle auto of Oscar Gonzalez. I went to BRef to check it out and see he's with the big club and hitting .400 in 65 PA.

I am not very familiar with this guy, is there a consensus on his ceiling? Is he expected to be an everday major leaguer? I know I could look some of this up, but its fun to discuss with fans. Thanks!


Oscar has all the tools. His ceiling will be in his strikeouts. If he can keep the K's down I think he has all the tools to be a very nice player.

[Chris Lyle]

Blitzer approved to be minority owner by MLB. Maybe with this some money will get spent on making this fun team even better

[Chris Lyle]

Great start to this tough stretch with beating the Dodgers with Kershaw on the mound. I know it's early but who would've thought that after play on June 17th that the Guardians would be 1 game out of first place??? Really loving this team...

[1800gambler]

Hit a sweet Valera green sapphire auto /50 today so I’m by proxy rooting for you guys for awhile

[Chris Lyle]

Hit a sweet Valera green sapphire auto /50 today so I’m by proxy rooting for you guys for awhile

Nice Valera has been on fire this year...

[Chris Lyle]

Hopefully JRam is going to be ok... Great win today going into Tuesday against the Twins

[Eckstein197]

Hopefully JRam is going to be ok... Great win today going into Tuesday against the Twins

What happened to JRam?

[Chris Lyle]

What happened to JRam?

Been dealing with a sore thumb that was jammed in Colorado

[LVDan]

Franmil back from a solid rehab assignment today or tomorrow I think. It's gonna be up to him to assimilate and contribute to this lineup on a fairly short leash I think.
Hoping for the best

[Chris Lyle]

Franmil back from a solid rehab assignment today or tomorrow I think. It's gonna be up to him to assimilate and contribute to this lineup on a fairly short leash I think.
Hoping for the best

Activated today, Mercado designated for assignment. Hopefully Franimal can keep it up!

[Chris Lyle]

Civale activated and Sandlin sent down.

[GoTribe!!!]

Franmil back from a solid rehab assignment today or tomorrow I think. It's gonna be up to him to assimilate and contribute to this lineup on a fairly short leash I think.
Hoping for the best

You and me both!

[Chris Lyle]

You and me both!

Thankfully JRam back in the line up also!!

[Eckstein197]

Good game so far, Ump is being VERY generous on the outside bottom corner all game. He’s calling it consistently for both teams so really not a problem but strike zone definitely expanded tonight

[Chris Lyle]

Good game so far, Ump is being VERY generous on the outside bottom corner all game. He’s calling it consistently for both teams so really not a problem but strike zone definitely expanded tonight

Listening on radio so hard to tell lol. As long as it's consistent can't complain

[Eckstein197]

Slightly off topic but for the guardians fans, did you want spiders? Or fine with guardians?

[Chris Lyle]

Slightly off topic but for the guardians fans, did you want spiders? Or fine with guardians?
Didn't want Spiders and Guardians has grown on me.

[tribefan1979]

Slightly off topic but for the guardians fans, did you want spiders? Or fine with guardians?

SPIDERS!

Or even better extension of Spiders... Cleveland Widowmakers

[hammertime]

Spiders would've been infinitely better than Guardians although I guess I get why they didn't go with it...anyway this team can hit! Look out!

[Eckstein197]

Didn't want Spiders and Guardians has grown on me.

What did you want?

[Chris Lyle]

What did you want?

Wasn't sure what I wanted to be honest. But didn't want Spiders. Something crazy like the Rockers would have been fun

[Chris Lyle]

No idea why you pitch to Aaraez there!!! Morgan shows he is human but have no idea why you pitch to Aaraez :doh:

[Eckstein197]

No idea why you pitch to Aaraez there!!! Morgan shows he is human but have no idea why you pitch to Aaraez :doh:

I can’t believe Pagan threw a meatball to Franmil. Would have rather just walked him. Also should have been Duran in the 8th

[Chris Lyle]

I can’t believe Pagan threw a meatball to Franmil. Would have rather just walked him. Also should have been Duran in the 8th

I couldn't believe that either. Glad to see Franamil get a big hit

[Eckstein197]

Btw the extra innings runner on rule is still something I hate with a passion. Whether it’s helpful or hurtful today, still hate it

[Chris Lyle]

Btw the extra innings runner on rule is still something I hate with a passion. Whether it’s helpful or hurtful today, still hate it

Can't stand the rule

[Chris Lyle]

Nice start to the series.... getting Civale back and still figuring out how to get the win after losing it!!

[auctionjmm]

Slightly off topic but for the guardians fans, did you want spiders? Or fine with guardians?

Interestingly enough, I barely notice the name change. I think part of the reason is nobody in Cleveland ever called them the Indians anyway lol. Everyone said "Tribe" and still does. Tribe still applies if using the literal definition so I still say tribe and at least everyone I know still says tribe so it doesn't feel like the name has even changed.

[Eckstein197]

I was taking a look at Cleveland's schedule and if rain does not play any factors, Guardians have 17 games in the next 15 days. Which includes Red Sox and Yankees in addition to the Twins games. That is brutal

[Raleigh504]

Slightly off topic but for the guardians fans, did you want spiders? Or fine with guardians?

I honestly wanted Tribe. For the logo, you can just do the "C" and maybe eventually create another logo. You couldn't even call it "racist" or anything based on the definition and would be actually accurate for the city of Cleveland.

Not a fan of the name, I still say Indians and the logo is horrible too. Also, I would have preferred if they changed the colors too from red & blue to maybe orange & blue.... tie into the other teams in the city Browns (Orange) and Cavs (team has had orange in their uniforms).



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[Philthy]

I’m no expert. But he trains with Manny Ramirez and has the same fearless approach as manny. Not the mastery of the strike zone yet. The fear is not the tools, it’s fear he will swing at too many pitches out of the zone. He’s gotten a lot of hits this year already hitting bad balls. Make no mistake, he’s a tough out. He will go oppo, hit situationally. Most impressive is his bat speed and contact rate. I think he stays. Major holes in Cleveland’s outfield. He’s got amazing tools. Seems like a great op for him. The big hope is he starts to elevate the ball and show off his power.

Oscar has all the tools. His ceiling will be in his strikeouts. If he can keep the K's down I think he has all the tools to be a very nice player.

Appreciate the replies guys! I think I'm going to stick the card in a PSA value sub and just hold to see how he does. Will give me another guy from this rookie class to follow along and check box scores which is half the fun of collecting for me.

[Chris Lyle]

Oscar with a big hit to put us on top. This team never says die

[Chris Lyle]

Well never mind.

Gio always gets us at least once whenever we play against him

[Alwayslefty]

Well never mind


Yeah that didn’t last. Geez.


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[Alwayslefty]

Yeah that didn’t last. Geez.


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I’ll retract that. Wow. Guardians are fun to watch this year.

[Chris Lyle]

I’ll retract that. Wow. Guardians are fun to watch this year.

Very fun! Love their never say die scrappy attitude.

[Chris Lyle]

Heard a stat tonight that was crazy with the win tonight we are 17-4 since May 30th. We were 5 games back of first with a losing record and here we are in 1st place. I know its only late June but man this is fun.

[JWBlue]

They have an it factor but that starting pitching is going to their Achilles heal.

[Chris Lyle]

They have an it factor but that starting pitching is going to their Achilles heal.

What am I missing? Yeah Civale has to get it together. But Plesac has been better the last 3 times out, Bieber is Bieber, Quantrill has been solid and Mckenzie has been fine other than tonight. If something doesn't work they have guys in AAA ready to step up I think.

[OscarOne]

What am I missing? Yeah Civale has to get it together. But Plesac has been better the last 3 times out, Bieber is Bieber, Quantrill has been solid and Mckenzie has been fine other than tonight. If something doesn't work they have guys in AAA ready to step up I think.

Plus they have logjam of talent in the minors--they almost have too make a trade to clean up the affiliate rosters.

[Chris Lyle]

Plus they have logjam of talent in the minors--they almost have too make a trade to clean up the affiliate rosters.

I was reading about this exact thing from cleveland.com Terry Pluto. He was saying that basically they have a lot of decisions to make especially in the middle infield etc. I would think on paper that we should be able to make some pretty good deals if they want to.

[MegaMan]

Heard a stat tonight that was crazy with the win tonight we are 17-4 since May 30th. We were 5 games back of first with a losing record and here we are in 1st place. I know its only late June but man this is fun.

Oscar called up May 26

[Chris Lyle]

Oscar called up May 26

Seems like he did something for the clubhouse or something like that

[Raleigh504]

For Plesac and Civale, I feel they need to hit their stride. They aren't in MLB ready shape from injuries. Bieber is back to form from his injury last year. Triston is solid except he seems to always have a bad pitch where they hit a HR. Luckily it has mostly been solo HR but needs to limit that.

We have a lot of young talent, it is hard to say if we should trade them for MLB guys for a playoff push or trade the MLB starter for a rental to allow them to move into the lineup next year.

Franmil would be hard to move since he is playing poorly, we traded/DFA some of the other low hanging fruit (Zimmer & Mercado which I am bummed since they both showed promise). Bo Naylor is in the waiting to come up as our starting catcher so I would trade/move our starters and some other guys for a rental in Contreras. I am fine with our OF, but don't think Owen Miller is our future 1B so that could be another rental position (Josh Bell?)

[Chris Lyle]

For Plesac and Civale, I feel they need to hit their stride. They aren't in MLB ready shape from injuries. Bieber is back to form from his injury last year. Triston is solid except he seems to always have a bad pitch where they hit a HR. Luckily it has mostly been solo HR but needs to limit that.

We have a lot of young talent, it is hard to say if we should trade them for MLB guys for a playoff push or trade the MLB starter for a rental to allow them to move into the lineup next year.

Franmil would be hard to move since he is playing poorly, we traded/DFA some of the other low hanging fruit (Zimmer & Mercado which I am bummed since they both showed promise). Bo Naylor is in the waiting to come up as our starting catcher so I would trade/move our starters and some other guys for a rental in Contreras. I am fine with our OF, but don't think Owen Miller is our future 1B so that could be another rental position (Josh Bell?)

Plesac and Civale will get there. If you do get another outfielder couldn't Naylor be the 1st baseman going forward? Can't wait to see Bo Naylor.

[auctionjmm]

This feels like the Cavs all over again. Same comments. They are "exciting", "fun to watch", "young", "team-friendly contracts", "good chemistry".

Guardians youngest team in MLB.

Browns youngest team in NFL.

Cavs were 7th youngest before the Rubio trade. I'm sure they are in the top 5 now. See what happens in Free Agency.

First time I can ever think of where all 3 teams will be considered playoff contenders and are young enough that they should all be better from season to season. Perhaps a nice run coming for the city?

[Chris Lyle]

Was hoping to see a shutout today but Morgan gets touched up again. Hopefully we can pull it out

[Eckstein197]

Was hoping to see a shutout today but Morgan gets touched up again. Hopefully we can pull it out

Kind of nice seeing the Cleveland bullpen blow a late lead, just expecting it to be us again

This can be a big swing for tonight, both teams probably going to use their best relievers in this 1-1 game, making them unavailable for tonight

[Chris Lyle]

Kind of nice seeing the Cleveland bullpen blow a late lead, just expecting it to be us again

This can be a big swing for tonight, both teams probably going to use their best relievers in this 1-1 game, making them unavailable for tonight

Well you guys got the lead now so, tonight will be interesting for sure

[Eckstein197]

Well you guys got the lead now so, tonight will be interesting for sure

We can still easily blow it, hopefully Pagan will be fine and then I trust Duran in the 9th

[Eckstein197]

We can still easily blow it, hopefully Pagan will be fine and then I trust Duran in the 9th

and by me saying this I have jinxed Duran to blow it in the 9th

[Chris Lyle]

and by me saying this I have jinxed Duran to blow it in the 9th

I would say even when if they don't blow it they would both be unavailable tonight right?

[Eckstein197]

I would say even when if they don't blow it they would both be unavailable tonight right?

Definitely. I don't think we have ever seen any pitcher pitch in game 1 of a DH and then pitch in game 2. It would be similar to taking a pitcher out when there is a really long rain delay

[Eckstein197]

There you go, Cleveland gonna win this game now. Pagan just can’t pitch against Cleveland

[Chris Lyle]

There you go, Cleveland gonna win this game now. Pagan just can’t pitch against Cleveland

Lol. Seems like this matchup is crazy on both sides may not be over

[Eckstein197]

Lol. Seems like this matchup is crazy on both sides may not be over

I’m just glad they didn’t burn Duran and lose this game.

And I’m assuming Clase is gonna be used in the 9th

Failed to capitalize with Kepler on second

[EBCollectibles]

I’m just glad they didn’t burn Duran and lose this game.

And I’m assuming Clase is gonna be used in the 9th

Failed to capitalize with Kepler on second

Is Pagan a All-Star or HOF'er? That Padre trade looks better for the Twins everyday.

[Raleigh504]

I am assuming they could use Clase again tonight to close if needed but then wouldn't be able to use him tomorrow. Who else would close for Cleveland if we are in that situation?

[Chris Lyle]

I am assuming they could use Clase again tonight to close if needed but then wouldn't be able to use him tomorrow. Who else would close for Cleveland if we are in that situation?

Hate to say it but maybe Shaw... Not that I like the idea

De Los Santos maybe he has done it at least once

[Eckstein197]

Off to extras again

[Eckstein197]

Pagan again in the 10th. Don’t know why Rocco keeps going to him. Cleveland just has his number bad. I’d rather try anyone else, even Thornburg

[Eckstein197]

Twins need at least another. Straw gonna bunt to lead off the bottom of the 10th. With his speed he probably gets on so runners on first and third with no outs. And against Pagan.

Cleveland should feel pretty good about the bottom of the inning

[Eckstein197]

Another bullpen implosion, should have walked Naylor to get to Franmil

[EBCollectibles]

Another bullpen implosion, should have walked Naylor to get to Franmil

The noose is still loose!! Choke City!!

[jbrown36836]

What a comeback! Roll Tribe!

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[Chris Lyle]

Another bullpen implosion, should have walked Naylor to get to Franmil

Not sure that you walk Naylor, but I get what you are saying.

[Chris Lyle]

What a comeback! Roll Tribe!

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I'm going to keep saying it. This team is just fun. Will be interesting to see how they keep developing.

[Eckstein197]

I'm going to keep saying it. This team is just fun. Will be interesting to see how they keep developing.

I will say, still feel like the twins have a much better shot at winning the division than the guardians. Guardians have yet to dominate the twins in really any game they’ve played. Like the twins did on Monday/game 2 Tuesday. Everyone of Cleveland’s wins over the twins has been by 1 run.

[Chris Lyle]

I will say, still feel like the twins have a much better shot at winning the division than the guardians. Guardians have yet to dominate the twins in really any game they’ve played. Like the twins did on Monday/game 2 Tuesday. Everyone of Cleveland’s wins over the twins has been by 1 run.

I don't look at scores like that and say oh another team is better because they dominated in a couple of ball games. That being said at this point. The Twins do and should have with their team make up versus the Guardians ongoing development do have the better shot of winning the division. But as they say that's why you have to play the games.

[Eckstein197]

I don't look at scores like that and say oh another team is better because they dominated in a couple of ball games. That being said at this point. The Twins do and should have with their team make up versus the Guardians ongoing development do have the better shot of winning the division. But as they say that's why you have to play the games.

What I’m more so saying is the twins have beaten the guardians in numerous different ways. They’ve won blowouts, they’ve won close games like the 1-0 last week. The guardians have only won because of Twins bullpen meltdowns. If the twins fix their bullpen, the guardians haven’t shown in 10 games they can beat the twins in any method except Twins bullpen falling apart

Of course I say this and the guardians will probably win today like 7-1 cuz it’s Bieber and this is a hardcore jinx by me

[EBCollectibles]

I don't look at scores like that and say oh another team is better because they dominated in a couple of ball games. That being said at this point. The Twins do and should have with their team make up versus the Guardians ongoing development do have the better shot of winning the division. But as they say that's why you have to play the games.

Eckstein looks at everything different from everyone else.:)!

[Eckstein197]

In similar central news, Twins and guardians will have a chance to bury the white Sox by the all star break. Twins have 7 versus them, guardians have 4. Doesn’t mean either team will succeed by burying them, but with them 6 back of the twins and 4 back of the guardians, if both teams post winning records against Chicago, there is a very good shot that Chicago is 8-9 back of first place at the all star break

[Chris Lyle]

What I’m more so saying is the twins have beaten the guardians in numerous different ways. They’ve won blowouts, they’ve won close games like the 1-0 last week. The guardians have only won because of Twins bullpen meltdowns. If the twins fix their bullpen, the guardians haven’t shown in 10 games they can beat the twins in any method except Twins bullpen falling apart

Of course I say this and the guardians will probably win today like 7-1 cuz it’s Bieber and this is a hardcore jinx by me

But you have to stay in the game to even get to the bullpen. It's not like they scored a ridiculous amount of runs just of the bullpen. Yes the outcomes have come off the bullpen at times but that doesn't mean they can't beat them or hang with them in other ways. I'm not trying to be a homer but I think it's a little hard to make the statement that you are trying to make.

[Eckstein197]

But you have to stay in the game to even get to the bullpen. It's not like they scored a ridiculous amount of runs just of the bullpen. Yes the outcomes have come off the bullpen at times but that doesn't mean they can't beat them or hang with them in other ways. I'm not trying to be a homer but I think it's a little hard to make the statement that you are trying to make.

I mean they kind of have scored the bullpen of their runs off of the bullpen. In the 4 guardians wins over the last week-ish

6/21 - 6 runs scored, 3 off starter, 3 bullpen
6/22 - 11 runs scored, 3 off starter, 8 bullpen
6/28 - 3 runs scored, 1 off starter, 2 bullpen
6/29 - 7 runs scored, 3 off starter, 4 bullpen

So you’ve scored 27 runs, 17 of those were off the bullpen. With I think 9 of them versus Pagan. You’re scoring 63% of your runs off the bullpen.

[Chris Lyle]

I mean they kind of have scored the bullpen of their runs off of the bullpen. In the 4 guardians wins over the last week-ish

6/21 - 6 runs scored, 3 off starter, 3 bullpen
6/22 - 11 runs scored, 3 off starter, 8 bullpen
6/28 - 3 runs scored, 1 off starter, 2 bullpen
6/29 - 7 runs scored, 3 off starter, 4 bullpen

So you’ve scored 27 runs, 17 of those were off the bullpen. With I think 9 of them versus Pagan. You’re scoring 63% of your runs off the bullpen.

I guess 4 games to me doesn't mean that a team can't beat someone any other way. I can look up the numbers I know they are there, but I don't think you say one team has no way of beating another team in that small of a sample size.

[Chris Lyle]

I mean they kind of have scored the bullpen of their runs off of the bullpen. In the 4 guardians wins over the last week-ish

6/21 - 6 runs scored, 3 off starter, 3 bullpen
6/22 - 11 runs scored, 3 off starter, 8 bullpen
6/28 - 3 runs scored, 1 off starter, 2 bullpen
6/29 - 7 runs scored, 3 off starter, 4 bullpen

So you’ve scored 27 runs, 17 of those were off the bullpen. With I think 9 of them versus Pagan. You’re scoring 63% of your runs off the bullpen.


I really do get what you are saying but I don't agree with the logic. I could argue that if you don't score off the starter and suddenly in your sample size that's 10 more that have to be scored off the bullpen and that likely doesn't happen.

[Eckstein197]

I guess 4 games to me doesn't mean that a team can't beat someone any other way. I can look up the numbers I know they are there, but I don't think you say one team has no way of beating another team in that small of a sample size.

I’m not saying Cleveland can’t beat the twins in that way, they absolutely can. I’m just saying we haven’t actually seen it. They can, we just haven’t seen it

[ClevelandIC]

Looking ahead as the trade deadline approaches I wonder if/who the Guardians will be targeting for trade. No secret that Cleveland has a pile of minor league talent and no place to put them moving forward - they could be very active.

Bryan Reynolds - under control until 2025 and really doesn't make sense for Pittsburgh to move unless they get both quality and quantity which Cleveland could fulfill.

Frankie Montas - He might be the pitcher who commands the most at the trade deadline but I see no reason that Cleveland wouldn't be in the mix

Andrew Benintendi? - Empty batting average but he gets on base. Not sure I would understand this one but I am trying to think of players who are available and fit the Cleveland mold (Low strikeout, athletic)

Carl Edwards - I think bullpen arms available at the deadline will be few and far between but Edwards could slot into the Guardians pen.

Jose Quintana? - Showing signs of life again. Would be a consolation prize to any of the major starting pieces that get moved.

Willson Contreras - Huge hole in the lineup at catcher - Would be a huge get.

Just some names that have crossed my mind this week. Any thoughts?

[Chris Lyle]

I’m not saying Cleveland can’t beat the twins in that way, they absolutely can. I’m just saying we haven’t actually seen it. They can, we just haven’t seen it

I mean I could say the same thing about the Twins against the top starters for the Guardians, you've only faced Bieber and Quantrill once and only scored i think like 4 runs of those 2, bigger wins were against Civale, Pilkington and one outlier against McKenzie, Plesac is somewhere in the middle. So if Civale gets right and everyone is healthy and on their current track can the Twins beat the top starters of the Guardians? They haven't shown it on a regular basis right?

[Chris Lyle]

Looking ahead as the trade deadline approaches I wonder if/who the Guardians will be targeting for trade. No secret that Cleveland has a pile of minor league talent and no place to put them moving forward - they could be very active.

Bryan Reynolds - under control until 2025 and really doesn't make sense for Pittsburgh to move unless they get both quality and quantity which Cleveland could fulfill.

Frankie Montas - He might be the pitcher who commands the most at the trade deadline but I see no reason that Cleveland wouldn't be in the mix

Andrew Benintendi? - Empty batting average but he gets on base. Not sure I would understand this one but I am trying to think of players who are available and fit the Cleveland mold (Low strikeout, athletic)

Carl Edwards - I think bullpen arms available at the deadline will be few and far between but Edwards could slot into the Guardians pen.

Jose Quintana? - Showing signs of life again. Would be a consolation prize to any of the major starting pieces that get moved.

Willson Contreras - Huge hole in the lineup at catcher - Would be a huge get.

Just some names that have crossed my mind this week. Any thoughts?

I would love to see Laureano and Montas come to the Guardians. Probably not going to happen but would be awesome. I wouldn't over pay for Contreras. Bryan Reynolds would be great. Another name is Brandon Drury with the Reds

[ClevelandIC]

I would love to see Laureano and Montas come to the Guardians. Probably not going to happen but would be awesome. I wouldn't over pay for Contreras. Bryan Reynolds would be great. Another name is Brandon Drury with the Reds

Drury having a career year for sure. I haven't looked deep into his numbers but I do wonder how much he's being propped up by playing in Cincinnati.

Laureano definitely fits the mold as well. That could happen.

[Chris Lyle]

Drury having a career year for sure. I haven't looked deep into his numbers but I do wonder how much he's being propped up by playing in Cincinnati.

Laureano definitely fits the mold as well. That could happen.

Drury's average is lower away but the power numbers are almost the same.

[Eckstein197]

I mean I could say the same thing about the Twins against the top starters for the Guardians, you've only faced Bieber and Quantrill once and only scored i think like 4 runs of those 2, bigger wins were against Civale, Pilkington and one outlier against McKenzie, Plesac is somewhere in the middle. So if Civale gets right and everyone is healthy and on their current track can the Twins beat the top starters of the Guardians? They haven't shown it on a regular basis right?

I mean the twins pounded McKenzie twice. So I think they just have his number. Also I’d say coming into this series McKenzie was pretty similar to Quantrill, I wouldn’t say Quantrill is heads and shoulders above McKenzie.

Bieber is obviously a stud, he’s in his own tier on that team as he should be

[Chris Lyle]

I mean the twins pounded McKenzie twice. So I think they just have his number. Also I’d say coming into this series McKenzie was pretty similar to Quantrill, I wouldn’t say Quantrill is heads and shoulders above McKenzie.

Bieber is obviously a stud, he’s in his own tier on that team as he should be

I'm talking production the Twins have not faced Bieber or Quantrill but once the whole season. Quantrill is certainly above McKenzie as things stand today. Not head and shoulders but he is above.

My point is still that of the games you guys won and the bigger wins Bieber,Quantrill and even Plesac were not on the mound. It was Civale, Pilkington and McKenzie and the Guards came back and won one of the bad McKenzie games.

[Eckstein197]

I'm talking production the Twins have not faced Bieber or Quantrill but once the whole season. Quantrill is certainly above McKenzie as things stand today. Not head and shoulders but he is above.

I mean I could say the same things, and I could even add the guardians can’t even hit the middle of the Twins rotation as Devin Smeltzer who’s nowhere near our top starter has diced up the guardians for what, 1 run in 12/13 innings the past 2 starts?

As things stand today, because the twins pounced on McKenzie his last 2 starts? What about before those 2 starts, would you have said McKenzie is below Quantrill?

[Chris Lyle]

I mean I could say the same things, and I could even add the guardians can’t even hit the middle of the Twins rotation as Devin Smeltzer who’s nowhere near our top starter has diced up the guardians for what, 1 run in 12/13 innings the past 2 starts?

As things stand today, because the twins pounced on McKenzie his last 2 starts? What about before those 2 starts, would you have said McKenzie is below Quantrill?

Part of my point that I'm trying to get at is that you can go back and forth with little stats ie your bullpen comment my top 2 starter comment and the point is none of it matters thats why you play the games. They have played 10 games against each other I think it is that's not enough to clearly state any trend etc.

As far as McKenzie for me Quantrill was above him before the two starts

Not sure why the mean face showed up... Fat fingered on my phone I guess

[Eckstein197]

Part of my point that I'm trying to get at is that you can go back and forth with little stats ie your bullpen comment my top 2 starter comment and the point is none of it matters thats why you play the games. They have played 10 games against each other I think it is that's not enough to clearly state any trend etc.

As far as McKenzie for me Quantrill was above him before the two starts

Not sure why the mean face showed up... Fat fingered on my phone I guess

That’s fair. I am expecting Cleveland to win today as I definitely have jinxed it. If the twins can steal today, this weekend sets up nicely for the twins to add on to their lead with you guys playing the Yankees and us playing the Orioles. Would have just been nice to have added to our division lead more when given the opportunities.

I will say, the twins have bounced back strong after these bullpen meltdowns especially on Tuesday afternoon, so I’m hopeful they bounce back today. Just worried that one of these bullpen meltdowns will be the straw that breaks the camels back

[Eckstein197]

Ump has been bad today from the start. Real large strike zone

[Eckstein197]

Legit have no idea how the twins cover the final 5 innings if they’re winning going into the 9th

Moran for 2 I guess. Then 3 innings left. Only fresh arms are Thornburg and Duffey. I guess they could split the final 3. Cotton could pitch but every other arm is out and dead for today

[ClevelandIC]

Gaurdians had so many chances today but only needed the ninth! Back to back walk off home runs against the Twins is pretty satisfying.

[Raleigh504]

Wow what a game. Came in to see the bottom of the 9th. I had high hopes of Gimenez this season and he already surpassed them. Kid is something special so far

[Sportnut08]

Twins are 5-6 against Cleveland this year, but winning where it counts, outscoring the Guardians 61-45 :)!

[Chris Lyle]

Great game today for sure. Gimenez is really budding so far this year. Glad to see the comeback this series after getting spanked a couple games

[Chris Lyle]

Twins are 5-6 against Cleveland this year, but winning where it counts, outscoring the Guardians 61-45 :)!

You take out the 2 blowouts or even one of them and suddenly its less than 5 runs difference. Seems a little skewed to me

[Sportnut08]

You take out the 2 blowouts or even one of them and suddenly its less than 5 runs difference. Seems a little skewed to me

Don’t worry. It was sarcasm :D

[Chris Lyle]

Don’t worry. It was sarcasm :D

No worries. My fault for missing that

[Eckstein197]

Well Cleveland fans, time to bid you adieu. Twins guardians next game is early September. Hopefully by that time the Twins bullpen is fixed at least a little bit

[Chris Lyle]

Well Cleveland fans, time to bid you adieu. Twins guardians next game is early September. Hopefully by that time the Twins bullpen is fixed at least a little bit

And hopefully it's still a close race and maybe even the Guardians go out and make some deals. And the starting pitching is shored up. See you in September

[lambeauleap87]

I haven't posted here a ton, but the Guardians have been...more fun than I expected, I guess? Lot of oddities with how much the pitching has regressed but the young bats are (mostly) ahead of themselves. Really enjoy Gimenez, hope he makes the All Star team this year.

Some really difficult decisions for the front office to make coming up - Nolan Jones is raking in AAA, Tyler Freeman turned it around after a slow start, Will Brennan looks like a legit bat, and a bunch of the young guys at lower levels are playing well. They're going to have to consolidate talent sooner or later, and that goes a long way toward the direction of the organization.

[Raleigh504]

I haven't posted here a ton, but the Guardians have been...more fun than I expected, I guess? Lot of oddities with how much the pitching has regressed but the young bats are (mostly) ahead of themselves. Really enjoy Gimenez, hope he makes the All Star team this year.

Some really difficult decisions for the front office to make coming up - Nolan Jones is raking in AAA, Tyler Freeman turned it around after a slow start, Will Brennan looks like a legit bat, and a bunch of the young guys at lower levels are playing well. They're going to have to consolidate talent sooner or later, and that goes a long way toward the direction of the organization.

I agree.

What I see, if they still continue to be top 2 in the division and win close games, they will make a move or two by the deadline. It would be maybe a utility guy or platoon guy on the MLB roster along with a young guy for a rental and some other lower prospect that can grow. I see either a C, some bullpen help, 1B or OF spot but definitely not all those spots.

I heard they are trying Nolan Jones in OF, but the way I look at it, if he was THAT good then they would have brought him up to figured out where to play him vs keeping him down all this time.

[LVDan]

Nice game. Beautiful outing by McKenzie and some signs of life from the big man.


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[lambeauleap87]

Great debut weekend from Nolan Jones, definitely the bright spot of a bad baseball week - that and the last two starts from McKenzie are especially encouraging.

Wild to me that Andres Gimenez made an All-Star roster in Cleveland before Lindor made one in New York. Clase making one while Kluber was a total waste in Texas. Couple solid trades to reflect on, even if this season is getting not-so-fun.

[lambeauleap87]

Bringing this up for some deadline thoughts - I think they might add a catcher (Omar Narvaez?), maybe a flier on an arm or two, but probably not do much. Really expecting more "Connor Capel for Oscar Mercado" type deals, thinning the guys that need to be added to the 40 man this winter.

Also adding - Andres Gimenez is fun. What a showing last night with four hits and three steals.

And Franmil is getting demoted to AAA Columbus if he's not dealt today; who EVER would've imagined that happening?

[JRamIsTheKing]

Steven Kwan has been amazing this year. For a player no one gave a second thought (he didn't make it into ANY product?), he has been very good in the Majors, and a big part of the team's success this season. Can't wait to get some of his cards.

[beavers]

Steven Kwan has been amazing this year. For a player no one gave a second thought (he didn't make it into ANY product?), he has been very good in the Majors, and a big part of the team's success this season. Can't wait to get some of his cards.

16th in the MLB in OBP. Gets tons of long at bats. I imagine we will see more power as time goes by but so far he has been overall good at worst.

[LVDan]

Really sad to see Reyes sent down but he's the weakest link in their DH mix and can't field so it makes a lot of sense. :(

[Eckstein197]

Was it surprising not to see the guardians make any trades? I remember you guys saying a big upcoming roster/40 man crunch incoming. Feels like guardians were ripe for a couple moves for at least a rental or 2

[Eckstein197]

And also thank you for Sandy Leon. His defense is much more fun to watch when you’re forced to watch a ton of Gary Sanchez

[Chris Lyle]

Was it surprising not to see the guardians make any trades? I remember you guys saying a big upcoming roster/40 man crunch incoming. Feels like guardians were ripe for a couple moves for at least a rental or 2

Was a little surprised to see that we didn't make any moves, but the team has some chemistry and they are letting the young guys play, so I can see it I guess.

And also thank you for Sandy Leon. His defense is much more fun to watch when you’re forced to watch a ton of Gary Sanchez

Lol. Defense is mostly all he will give you.

[Chris Lyle]

I'm a diehard and it may not last but it's great to see this team having fun!! And in first place on August 11th I never saw this coming

[Raleigh504]

I'm a diehard and it may not last but it's great to see this team having fun!! And in first place on August 11th I never saw this coming

Die hard too, I will always refer to them as the Indians. Also still waiting until the minority owner buys the team from Dolan. I have heard that he isn't afraid to spend money on his teams to win. Not saying give me a Yankees payroll, but if they spend in the middle of the pack, I think fans will come back to watch games.

Note: There has been a huge drop-off since the name change, over 30% drop in TV views and 6k less fans coming to games. I think going from 20-22 ranking in attendance to basically 28th-ish.

[Raleigh504]

Cleveland should have made some minor moves, get a rental reliever to add depth to bullpen, maybe get a platoon outfielder/1B rental to free up some 40 man roster space.

Sucks about Franmil but hopefully he can turn his career around in Chicago. Was a fan of his, but was hard when he would watch fastballs down the middle go by and then swing at a curve out of the zone.

[Chris Lyle]

Die hard too, I will always refer to them as the Indians. Also still waiting until the minority owner buys the team from Dolan. I have heard that he isn't afraid to spend money on his teams to win. Not saying give me a Yankees payroll, but if they spend in the middle of the pack, I think fans will come back to watch games.

Note: There has been a huge drop-off since the name change, over 30% drop in TV views and 6k less fans coming to games. I think going from 20-22 ranking in attendance to basically 28th-ish.

Yeah the name change has really had a negative affect for sure. I think with the minority owner you will see less of our star players leaving without getting contract extensions, etc. add that with going out and adding nice pieces to add to the team and you're right hopefully fans will come back

[Chris Lyle]

Cleveland should have made some minor moves, get a rental reliever to add depth to bullpen, maybe get a platoon outfielder/1B rental to free up some 40 man roster space.

Sucks about Franmil but hopefully he can turn his career around in Chicago. Was a fan of his, but was hard when he would watch fastballs down the middle go by and then swing at a curve out of the zone.

From what I can gather there was some tension with Franmil and management because of him not staying in shape and it spiraled when he just wasn't productive.

As far as the deadline I was hoping to see a decent starter maybe and some bullpen help but I guess maybe they can do something in the off season and use this time to figure out who can play etc with some of the fringe 40 man roster guys.

[LVDan]

Pretty dominant outing from Quantrill last night. Allowed zero runs and one base runner in 7ip on the road in TOR. I was surprised to see his sinker sitting 94-95 too. Might be a wonky radar gun.


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[Chris Lyle]

Pretty dominant outing from Quantrill last night. Allowed zero runs and one base runner in 7ip on the road in TOR. I was surprised to see his sinker sitting 94-95 too. Might be a wonky radar gun.


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Yeah seems just a touch high but I will definitely take the results. He seems to really be settling in. Has the bulldog moxy and is one of my favorites

[EBCollectibles]

This division is the Guardians. You don't have to worry about the Twins they stink.

[Chris Lyle]

This division is the Guardians. You don't have to worry about the Twins they stink.

I wouldn't say that.. on another note can't wait to see Curry!

[Raleigh504]

From what I can gather there was some tension with Franmil and management because of him not staying in shape and it spiraled when he just wasn't productive.

As far as the deadline I was hoping to see a decent starter maybe and some bullpen help but I guess maybe they can do something in the off season and use this time to figure out who can play etc with some of the fringe 40 man roster guys.

That makes sense with Franmil, he was supposed to learn to play RF to allow some other guys to DH but it seemed he never really cared. Granted if you consistently hit 40+ HR a year and .250ish then you would always have a roster spot.

[Chris Lyle]

That makes sense with Franmil, he was supposed to learn to play RF to allow some other guys to DH but it seemed he never really cared. Granted if you consistently hit 40+ HR a year and .250ish then you would always have a roster spot.

Very true, unfortunately at least this year, he didn't have the numbers to deal with the tension.

[Chris Lyle]

Andres comes up big. Civale looked good again. I know it's the Tigers but still. Now for the Curry Debut!! Who would've thought Guardians in 1st place with 46 to go

[Chris Lyle]

Curry very up and down... Hoping Guards can squeak this one out.

[Chris Lyle]

Eli Morgan... Uggh...

[Chris Lyle]

Tough loss. Umps didn't help but can't blame them completely. Hoping for a split tomorrow

[ClevelandIC]

Cal Quantrill about to prove himself to be a work horse. I'm guessing he goes 8 innings tonight

[Chris Lyle]

Big series starts tonight. I think with this being so unexpected this year and this team just being fun I am really pumped for this stretch of baseball.

[LVDan]

After a rough 1st inning this kid is killing it. He could really use a pick me up from the offense here.


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[BigSlim16]

I’ve been dabbling a little in prospecting, and honed in on Angel Martinez as my guy. Happy to see he was promoted to AA. That Guardians organization is just stacked with excited prospects

[Chris Lyle]

I’ve been dabbling a little in prospecting, and honed in on Angel Martinez as my guy. Happy to see he was promoted to AA. That Guardians organization is just stacked with excited prospects

Yeah the farm system is looking pretty good. got a lot of decisions to make the next couple of years.

[Chris Lyle]

After a rough 1st inning this kid is killing it. He could really use a pick me up from the offense here.


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So glad to see the offense finally come through last night. Sticks has really turned it on!!

[Chris Lyle]

Tough loss tonight, but can still get the series win tomorrow and at least the Twinkies lost also.

[Chris Lyle]

Great win last night. Oscar really starting to shine in RF. Just let him keep playing!! Civale looked good again.... Maybe he has righted the ship... Twinkies and Chi-Sox lose all in all a great night.


August 24th 1st place and 9 games over .500. Wow! This has been fun!

[EBCollectibles]

Great win last night. Oscar really starting to shine in RF. Just let him keep playing!! Civale looked good again.... Maybe he has righted the ship... Twinkies and Chi-Sox lose all in all a great night.


August 24th 1st place and 9 games over .500. Wow! This has been fun!

You don't have to worry about the Twins. They could make the Titanic II movie about that team.

[ClevelandIC]

This team feels invincible right now. Go to San Diego and give up 1 Run. JRam and Oscar Gonzalez each with two homers in the small series.

[Chris Lyle]

This team feels invincible right now. Go to San Diego and give up 1 Run. JRam and Oscar Gonzalez each with two homers in the small series.

I hope they keep it rolling and don't run out of gas in September.

[Chris Lyle]

Team has been fun but has officially hit the wall

[psychosockmonke]

Team has been fun but has officially hit the wall

Yeah, 5 L's in a row with a total of 4 runs. It's been rough. Really hoped they could pull it off tonight and stop the bleeding. Oh well.

[Chris Lyle]

Yeah, 5 L's in a row with a total of 4 runs. It's been rough. Really hoped they could pull it off tonight and stop the bleeding. Oh well.

Maybe they can find it against the Royals.

[lambeauleap87]

Team has been fun but has officially hit the wall

Francona must be one of the best clubhouse managers of all time, but he is just truly dreadful as an in-game manager. So much of these struggles that the team has run into the last couple seasons are a direct result of poor lineup construction and roster management.

His obsession with guys that were crappy utility infielders (like he was) seems to have cost the Guardians just about every year. I can only handle so much Ernie Clement, Mike Freeman, Owen Miller, Michael Martinez, etc.

[Chris Lyle]

Francona must be one of the best clubhouse managers of all time, but he is just truly dreadful as an in-game manager. So much of these struggles that the team has run into the last couple seasons are a direct result of poor lineup construction and roster management.

His obsession with guys that were crappy utility infielders (like he was) seems to have cost the Guardians just about every year. I can only handle so much Ernie Clement, Mike Freeman, Owen Miller, Michael Martinez, etc.

I'm with you there. But the reporters in Cleveland think he is the greatest because of what this team has done this year.

This team needed offensive help when the rosters expanded and we got Ernie Clement.:doh:

[Chris Lyle]

Wow bad loss tonight...

[psychosockmonke]

Wow bad loss tonight...

So ugly. The one run sucks, but didn't surprise me. But Clase starting off with two walks blew my mind.

[lambeauleap87]

I'm with you there. But the reporters in Cleveland think he is the greatest because of what this team has done this year.

This team needed offensive help when the rosters expanded and we got Ernie Clement.:doh:

How Will Brennan or Bo Naylor didn't get called up given that Straw/Maile/Hedges have been three of the worst players in the Majors this year offensively is beyond me. Even worse when you've got Richie Palacios DH'ing and Ernie Clement/Owen Miller continuing to play regularly while Jones/Arias are still in AAA.

[Chris Lyle]

How Will Brennan or Bo Naylor didn't get called up given that Straw/Maile/Hedges have been three of the worst players in the Majors this year offensively is beyond me. Even worse when you've got Richie Palacios DH'ing and Ernie Clement/Owen Miller continuing to play regularly while Jones/Arias are still in AAA.

Have no idea why Francona insists on running some guys out regardless how bad they are... Clement, Miller, and the others you mentioned. This is why regardless of what some are saying Franconia is not a youthful teams ideal manager

[Chris Lyle]

Man really can't afford a bullpen meltdown here

[Eckstein197]

Man really can't afford a bullpen meltdown here

Twins were so close to making that comeback. Correa tried to put the team on his back.

[Chris Lyle]

Glad to get the win!!

Sticks vs Archer tomorrow and Bieber on Sunday! Looking good right now for at least 2 out of 3

[Chris Lyle]

Twins were so close to making that comeback. Correa tried to put the team on his back.

Was really worried there for a bit for sure

[psychosockmonke]

That was an ugly 9th.

[Chris Lyle]

Bryan Shaw... Uggh... Glad to get the win though let's go for the sweep!!! Bieber on the mound tomorrow

[lambeauleap87]

If the White Sox could just get Tony La Russa back healthy, the Guardians could have this division pretty well locked up soon.

[Chris Lyle]

If the White Sox could just get Tony La Russa back healthy, the Guardians could have this division pretty well locked up soon.


For sure.. Glad to get the sweep this weekend. Hopefully we can keep it rolling

[Chris Lyle]

I know I keep saying this but I still can't believe we are sitting where we're sitting right now. I know the division is way off, but you still have to go out and win games.

[Chris Lyle]

Another good win tonight! Pilkington with a decent start

[apb4]

What a weapon Clause is in the 9th. That guy just comes in throwing gas and that cutter is almost impossible to square up.

That trade with Texas may go down as one of the biggest heists in team history. To think they got one of the 3 best closers in baseball for 1 inning of Kluber, is straight-up robbery. Between that trade, the Lindor trade and a few others I have no idea why anybody would want to trade with the Guards/Tribe. They have a way of finding guys in these trades. All things considered, especially the market and financial constraints you would be hard-pressed to find a better front office over the past 15-20 years.

[Chris Lyle]

What a weapon Clause is in the 9th. That guy just comes in throwing gas and that cutter is almost impossible to square up.

That trade with Texas may go down as one of the biggest heists in team history. To think they got one of the 3 best closers in baseball for 1 inning of Kluber, is straight-up robbery. Between that trade, the Lindor trade and a few others I have no idea why anybody would want to trade with the Guards/Tribe. They have a way of finding guys in these trades. All things considered, especially the market and financial constraints you would be hard-pressed to find a better front office over the past 15-20 years.

They made some weird decisions over the years, but overall I would have to agree. They said Clase went to the Francona and Carl Willis and apologized for blowing the save the other night. They told him you're human we think you're alright. Especially when it "ballooned" his ERA to 1.36 or something like that.

[Raleigh504]

What a weapon Clause is in the 9th. That guy just comes in throwing gas and that cutter is almost impossible to square up.

That trade with Texas may go down as one of the biggest heists in team history. To think they got one of the 3 best closers in baseball for 1 inning of Kluber, is straight-up robbery. Between that trade, the Lindor trade and a few others I have no idea why anybody would want to trade with the Guards/Tribe. They have a way of finding guys in these trades. All things considered, especially the market and financial constraints you would be hard-pressed to find a better front office over the past 15-20 years.

It is the talent recognition as well as getting multiple guys for 1 when trading. If you are able to throw more at the wall, then there is a better likelihood that one will stick.

Just wish they would sign some vets here and there and spend some money (not a ton) to fill in some of the gaps or to add depth.

[apb4]

It is the talent recognition as well as getting multiple guys for 1 when trading. If you are able to throw more at the wall, then there is a better likelihood that one will stick.

Just wish they would sign some vets here and there and spend some money (not a ton) to fill in some of the gaps or to add depth.

Agree about the spending, they have need a corner bar with some pop for the last 20 years or so.

I think they may be a bit scared from some of the past free agent deals. Most of their big ticket signings have been rather meh. Edwin and Nick Swisher come to mind. Those guys were alright but really nothing special. Free agency with those 2’d level guys can be a scary proposition, just hard to find guys who are going to provide value on the backend of those contracts. I think they are afraid of getting stuck with an albatross.

[Chris Lyle]

It is the talent recognition as well as getting multiple guys for 1 when trading. If you are able to throw more at the wall, then there is a better likelihood that one will stick.

Just wish they would sign some vets here and there and spend some money (not a ton) to fill in some of the gaps or to add depth.

I think you may see some of that in the off season, I really think the management team decided to see what they have with the current 40 man, etc. and may tweak somethings in the off season. I may be wrong but I think it could happen.

[Raleigh504]

Agree about the spending, they have need a corner bar with some pop for the last 20 years or so.

I think they may be a bit scared from some of the past free agent deals. Most of their big ticket signings have been rather meh. Edwin and Nick Swisher come to mind. Those guys were alright but really nothing special. Free agency with those 2’d level guys can be a scary proposition, just hard to find guys who are going to provide value on the backend of those contracts. I think they are afraid of getting stuck with an albatross.

Agreed, they will just need to limit the length of the contract. Granted I think both were coming off a good year when they signed them and just didn't produce for what they were being paid. They could easily wait (like they normally do) and then sign a vet to a 1 year deal with a club mutual option for year 2 or do a 2 year deal. Who comes to mind this past offseason (Joc Pederson $6M, Tommy Pham $7.5M).

I think you may see some of that in the off season, I really think the management team decided to see what they have with the current 40 man, etc. and may tweak somethings in the off season. I may be wrong but I think it could happen.

I think they will extend some guys and sign some guys to minor league deals that could crash the MLB roster. Not sure who would be a good target this coming offseason. I guess it depends on how we do this postseason.

[Chris Lyle]

Agreed, they will just need to limit the length of the contract. Granted I think both were coming off a good year when they signed them and just didn't produce for what they were being paid. They could easily wait (like they normally do) and then sign a vet to a 1 year deal with a club mutual option for year 2 or do a 2 year deal. Who comes to mind this past offseason (Joc Pederson $6M, Tommy Pham $7.5M).



I think they will extend some guys and sign some guys to minor league deals that could crash the MLB roster. Not sure who would be a good target this coming offseason. I guess it depends on how we do this postseason.

Oh yeah the I think the minority owner will allow us to keep some guys.. then get those middle of the road guys like you are talking about for a cheap 1 or 2 year contract.

And by the way clutch bomb by Oscar!

[Chris Lyle]

Gaddis coming up to pitch tomorrow, headed into a stretch where we could put the Twins away for good and maybe get some breathing room from the Chi Sox. First things first lets get the sweep today!!!

[Chris Lyle]

Oscar starting to heat up again, another dinger!

[MegaMan]

Oscar starting to heat up again, another dinger!

Beast!

[LVDan]

Beast!


No RCs until what, 23 TCU releasing in feb 24?
I hate Topps now “call ups”


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[Chris Lyle]

Beast!

Absolutely. I think he is going to be a very solid player going forward. I know we aren't the best team by any means, but if they can keep it going may have a punchers chance in the playoffs to make a little noise.

[Chris Lyle]

No RCs until what, 23 TCU releasing in feb 24?
I hate Topps now “call ups”


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Yeah. not a fan myself... did pick up a non auto gold refractor bowman chrome

[Chris Lyle]

Cal a little off so far today, hopefully the offense can pick him up.