2021-22 Obsidian Basketball

[BayAreaChris]

No thread again?

FOTL is happening now. Floor is $300. My guess is it sells out around $400-$450.

[phil]

No thread again?

FOTL is happening now. Floor is $300. My guess is it sells out around $400-$450.



At least 3800 boxes made so hopefully lower.

[daveyou]

hobby presale is 350 so.. 375-400?

[Tbone76]

At least 3800 boxes made so hopefully lower.

So how does that compare to previous years?

[phil]

383.33
362.50
341.67
320.83

[phil]

So how does that compare to previous years?



Same amount as last year, but 2021 Hobby is preselling for $100+ less than 2020 and will probably drop after release, so guessing the powers might be a little wary of overpaying for FOTL.

[Tonic3]

No thread again?

FOTL is happening now. Floor is $300. My guess is it sells out around $400-$450.

No thread because most people, including myself, just don’t care anymore. I’m over the price manipulation and overpriced junk with patches not even associated with a player. I used to be excited about FOTL releases, now it’s just one more overpriced attempt at screwing people over. Panini alienated a lot of there base collectors over the last few years with outrageous prices, and now many refuse to play their games.

[phil]

Gone at $383, none for me. I'm a poet.

[boxbuster7]

would've maybe grabbed one or two at floor, but ok without it

[sethc1020]

No thread because most people, including myself, just don’t care anymore. I’m over the price manipulation and overpriced junk with patches not even associated with a player. I used to be excited about FOTL releases, now it’s just one more overpriced attempt at screwing people over.

Bingo!!!

[mossoholic]

Gone at $383, none for me. I'm a poet.

Lol 3800 boxes gone at $383.33 or higher. Yeah sure. I added to cart at 1:39 in 1 click. What did it "sell out" about 60-90 seconds after that?

[phil]

Lol 3800 boxes gone at $383.33 or higher. Yeah sure. I added to cart at 1:39 in 1 click. What did it "sell out" about 60-90 seconds after that?



Yeah pretty obvious this time. 2020 FOTL is on ebay as low as $575 so hard to pay ~$400 for 21 and expect to make anything flipping.

[Asian62150]

No thread because most people, including myself, just don’t care anymore. I’m over the price manipulation and overpriced junk with patches not even associated with a player. I used to be excited about FOTL releases, now it’s just one more overpriced attempt at screwing people over. Panini alienated a lot of there base collectors over the last few years with outrageous prices, and now many refuse to play their games.

+1

This is exactly what some of us said if Panini focused on short term over long term.

FOTL was a great concept. Maybe a little too good at the beginning. But almost every change they've taken since then has served to make it less appealing.

The dutch auction process was supposed to be "fair" and help combat bots (kinda). But now it's just a manipulated tool to make sure certain distributors can protect their assets.

FOTL threads used to be pages and pages long, esp on release day. Ppl fighting the circle of death, begging to give Panini their money. It was an event each time.

1-2 years later...hardly a peep. Ppl don't care. And that's the worst thing someone can say about your product.

[Tbone76]

+1

This is exactly what some of us said if Panini focused on short term over long term.

FOTL was a great concept. Maybe a little too good at the beginning. But almost every change they've taken since then has served to make it less appealing.

The dutch auction process was supposed to be "fair" and help combat bots (kinda). But now it's just a manipulated tool to make sure certain distributors can protect their assets.

FOTL threads used to be pages and pages long, esp on release day. Ppl fighting the circle of death, begging to give Panini their money. It was an event each time.

1-2 years later...hardly a peep. Ppl don't care. And that's the worst thing someone can say about your product.

Seems like it might be the overall new release market that is suffering from buyers fatigue - not just FOTL product. Prizm released to limited fanfare. I walked into my Walmart and saw 30 blasters sitting there (Calgary, Canada). But unless buyers take a hard stance and stop supporting breakers and such, then nothing will change. It's a supply-demand market, just like everything else, so obviously Panini is still making money with their strategy. Even if one release suffers (FOTL, Prizm, etc) they've added so many other revenue streams that would make them indifferent.

[Grizzkid12]

On today's edition of products I didn't even realize were releasing that breakers will rip for maybe a week before the entire community loses all interest we have Obsidian Basketball!

[tmar214]

This entire year of basketball releases has been underwhelming. Goes to show if you can’t get the products out on time people won’t care.

[NoleinJax]

No thread because most people, including myself, just don’t care anymore. I’m over the price manipulation and overpriced junk with patches not even associated with a player. I used to be excited about FOTL releases, now it’s just one more overpriced attempt at screwing people over. Panini alienated a lot of there base collectors over the last few years with outrageous prices, and now many refuse to play their games.

Really need a thumbs up button here or something.

[brothertona]

That is the biggest issue - the season has already happened.

[gomiamigo]

Really need a thumbs up button here or something.

Couldn't agree more. I clicked on the auction right after it started just to see, saw the price, laughed, closed the tab.

[rifleman69]

And flopping on ebay. Yikes...

[kingb22]

This entire year of basketball releases has been underwhelming. Goes to show if you can’t get the products out on time people won’t care.

The only 3 NBA uniformed products that have been interesting this year have been Contenders (wish they were doing the Contenders Optic like Football), Origins and Donruss Choice, and MAYBE Donruss Elite. Coincidentally those have more or less held their value. The rest have been terrible, especially Prizm, and are taking a bath. On Prizm it's not just that it released in the summer, it's that the quality control has been bad for a $200 product let alone a $1200+ product.

(Note I'm not a buyer of the uber expensive stuff and missed Photogenic, in case anyone is a big fan in those).

[t6p]

The only 3 NBA uniformed products that have been interesting this year have been Contenders (wish they were doing the Contenders Optic like Football), Origins and Donruss Choice, and MAYBE Donruss Elite. Coincidentally those have more or less held their value. The rest have been terrible, especially Prizm, and are taking a bath. On Prizm it's not just that it released in the summer, it's that the quality control has been bad for a $200 product let alone a $1200+ product.

(Note I'm not a buyer of the uber expensive stuff and missed Photogenic, in case anyone is a big fan in those).

They're not doing Contenders Optic basketball this year?

[mossoholic]

The only 3 NBA uniformed products that have been interesting this year have been Contenders (wish they were doing the Contenders Optic like Football), Origins and Donruss Choice, and MAYBE Donruss Elite. Coincidentally those have more or less held their value. The rest have been terrible, especially Prizm, and are taking a bath. On Prizm it's not just that it released in the summer, it's that the quality control has been bad for a $200 product let alone a $1200+ product.

(Note I'm not a buyer of the uber expensive stuff and missed Photogenic, in case anyone is a big fan in those).

And what is the only 21-22 basketball product that has had a significant increase in price? The only NBA uniform product the bums weren't allow to manipulate. Photogenic.

In terms of look, value, and price the average buyer had access to the 3 best 21-22 basketball products so far are Photogenic, Elite, and either Contenders or Revolution.

BTW 21-22 Prizm hobby isn't a $1200 product. It's a $350 product manipulated by bums to sell at $1900 a box that within a couple weeks went down to under $1000 a box. It's around $950 now.

[kingb22]

They're not doing Contenders Optic basketball this year?

Sorry just noticed this .. I've scanned all the release calendars and didn't see any mention for the rest of 2022. Based on football where regular contenders released 3/9 and contenders optic on 6/22, basketball should have been released already (regular was on 4/13) or certainly by the end of August.

[sethc1020]

Sorry just noticed this .. I've scanned all the release calendars and didn't see any mention for the rest of 2022. Based on football where regular contenders released 3/9 and contenders optic on 6/22, basketball should have been released already (regular was on 4/13) or certainly by the end of August.

I hope they do, CO has become one of my favorite brands.

[t6p]

Sorry just noticed this .. I've scanned all the release calendars and didn't see any mention for the rest of 2022. Based on football where regular contenders released 3/9 and contenders optic on 6/22, basketball should have been released already (regular was on 4/13) or certainly by the end of August.

Interesting. Last year Contenders basketball came out in May and Contenders Optic didn't come out until December. I'd be very surprised if they skipped it this year. I could be wrong but I'd imagine it's released late this year again.

[kingb22]

I was looking at the Obsidian checklist and saw a 10 card series called Mist. Has anyone seen it? I've watched a good number of breaks and have never seen one nor are there any listings on ebay that I can find.

The FOTL are crazy good this year - the regular not so much. The FOTL RPA are nice by themselves but they also seem to have replaced the mediocre auto not the good auto slot

[vincecarder]

I was looking at the Obsidian checklist and saw a 10 card series called Mist. Has anyone seen it? I've watched a good number of breaks and have never seen one nor are there any listings on ebay that I can find.

The FOTL are crazy good this year - the regular not so much. The FOTL RPA are nice by themselves but they also seem to have replaced the mediocre auto not the good auto slot

Check out ebay, Mist die cuts are listed.

[thor_rider08]

I was looking at the Obsidian checklist and saw a 10 card series called Mist. Has anyone seen it? I've watched a good number of breaks and have never seen one nor are there any listings on ebay that I can find.

The FOTL are crazy good this year - the regular not so much. The FOTL RPA are nice by themselves but they also seem to have replaced the mediocre auto not the good auto slot

I do not believe Mist has been released yet as it's a T-Mall/Panini Asia exclusive.
Normally those fall after the US line drops. I am not sure how long before they release 0_o

The current Mist inserts on Ebay are from 2020-21 not 2021-22

I was only able to find 1 Lebron from 2020-21 Obsidian and snatched it up!
https://photos.smugmug.com/18-19-Obsidian-base-etch-parallel/i-rB4QJvB/0/65b0548e/XL/Resized_IMG_20220611_142644_094-XL.jpg

[kingb22]

Wow that's cool. I was searching eBay for 21-22 Obsidian so must not be out yet

[thor_rider08]

Wow that's cool. I was searching eBay for 21-22 Obsidian so must not be out yet

I verified...and they are not out yet.

Have to wait for the TMall breaks and hope we can find some!

[AutoPatchRookie]

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