The Best Hitter in the next 10 years part 2

[Homerun]

Lots of options here as there are so many young talented players, will be fun to see how this one ages like the initial poll from 2012 did.

[oldgoldy97]

Only one White Sox on the list?

Your game is faltering.

[Homerun]

Only one White Sox on the list?

Your game is faltering.

I had to be somewhat biased but not too biased :D

[oldgoldy97]

I had to be somewhat biased but not too biased :D

:cry:

Nicely done.

[sammyjankis]

I don’t like Fernando Tatis Jr., but I think he’ll be the best hitter over the next 10 years.

[RobTheGood]

Vlad Jr has to be on this list.

[Homerun]

Vlad Jr has to be on this list.

I meant to include him but forgot :doh:

[pete2345]

Aaron Judge

[MoreToppsPlease]

Some guy that will come out of nowhere three years from now.

[pewe]

How do you measure “best”?

Most hits? Fewest Ks? Highest OBP? Highest SLG? Highest OPS? Highest wRC+?

Different players will probably be best at each of these questions…


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[Bars and Bar]

Aaron judgeeeee. All rise

[REGGIE206]

Juan Soto :)!

[Homerun]

How do you measure “best”?

Most hits? Fewest Ks? Highest OBP? Highest SLG? Highest OPS? Highest wRC+?

Different players will probably be best at each of these questions…


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I left it vague on purpose. However one views the best is all that matters. I tend to go by OPS and wRC+ but it’s definitely a matter of opinion.

[texmcpherson]

Maybe I’m not as crazy as I thought I was picking Yordan. Dude can rake.

[dream34]

Vladdy
https://i.imgur.com/X3JvcHA.jpg

[gresh87]

Boba > Yordan

[LCM1223]

Had to argue against Soto

Surprised at all the Yordan love

[bblair_2002]

I'm gonna go outside the box and say Trea Turner.

[hammertime]

I'm gonna go WAY outside the box and say Ezequiel Tovar.

[rfgilles]

I'm gonna go outside the box and say Trea Turner.

Trea Turner is great and underrated, but he is already 29.

[pewe]

Highest batting average next 10 years = Luis Arraez


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[SupermanBrandon]

Juan Soto :)!


Walks too much


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[clocsta2323]

Walks too much


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So did Ted Williams.

[rngrdanny22]

I want with everything in my being to say Soto, but I voted for Yordan.

I am basing this solely on my own interpretation of what "best hitter" means. I'm going with OPS and OPS+ for that determination. I think Yordan's power will have his OPS consistently higher than Soto over the next decade. That is, assuming he can avoid injuries and his knees hold together.

[rngrdanny22]

Walks too much


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If he can't start putting the bat on the ball and get his exit velocity back up, the walks will start to pull back.

Then again, that might give him more opportunities to barrel the ball, so potato/potato.

[rfgilles]

So did Ted Williams.

And Barry Bonds and Frank Thomas.

[NYRE2PECT]

Hard to go wrong with Yorda, Vladdy, or Soto....should be a fun ten years!

*voted Soto

[oldgoldy97]

Surprised that one guy didn’t come in here and say Kwan :rolleyes:

[brios8]

I would replace Tatis with Vlad and Eloy with Judge

other than that, the list seems like the top guys

[eye4talent]

Without Vlad listed, this poll is kinda bunk.

Because, really, it should be a debate between Vlad and Soto, with Yordan and Wander chiming in.

Vlad and Soto do need to figure out their ground-ball issues, of course. But considering that they’re only 23, there’s plenty of room to improve.

Yordan needs to stay healthy, which would be my concern about projecting him 10 years out.

Wander won’t be a major power hitter, but he could be peak Roberto Alomar—with a little more power and a longer peak period. That means a high average and lots of xbh.

J-Rod kinda reminds me of a more athletic Juan Gonzalez, so maybe he shouldn’t be discounted.

If Alex Kirilloff could get a new wrist, he’d be a major contender. But alas, that wrist problem likely won’t let him reach his potential.

Finally, because I’m a Cal Poly guy, give me Brooks Lee as a dark horse.


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[rfgilles]

Without Vlad listed, this poll is kinda bunk.

Because, really, it should be a debate between Vlad and Soto, with Yordan and Wander chiming in.

Vlad and Soto do need to figure out their ground-ball issues, of course. But considering that they’re only 23, there’s plenty of room to improve.

Yordan needs to stay healthy, which would be my concern about projecting him 10 years out.

Wander won’t be a major power hitter, but he could be peak Roberto Alomar—with a little more power and a longer peak period. That means a high average and lots of xbh.

J-Rod kinda reminds me of a more athletic Juan Gonzalez, so maybe he shouldn’t be discounted.

If Alex Kirilloff could get a new wrist, he’d be a major contender. But alas, that wrist problem likely won’t let him reach his potential.

Finally, because I’m a Cal Poly guy, give me Brooks Lee as a dark horse.


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Guerrero has had 1 elite year in 4 at this point, and his groundball issues were allegedly "fixed" last year. He isn't in the same class as Soto in my opinion. That being said he should be included in an exercise like this.

[Robles Fan]

Other: Michael Harris

[awz50]

Yordan or Harris

[Homerun]

Without Vlad listed, this poll is kinda bunk.

Because, really, it should be a debate between Vlad and Soto, with Yordan and Wander chiming in.

Vlad and Soto do need to figure out their ground-ball issues, of course. But considering that they’re only 23, there’s plenty of room to improve.

Yordan needs to stay healthy, which would be my concern about projecting him 10 years out.

Wander won’t be a major power hitter, but he could be peak Roberto Alomar—with a little more power and a longer peak period. That means a high average and lots of xbh.

J-Rod kinda reminds me of a more athletic Juan Gonzalez, so maybe he shouldn’t be discounted.

If Alex Kirilloff could get a new wrist, he’d be a major contender. But alas, that wrist problem likely won’t let him reach his potential.

Finally, because I’m a Cal Poly guy, give me Brooks Lee as a dark horse.


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Guerrero has had 1 elite year in 4 at this point, and his groundball issues were allegedly "fixed" last year. He isn't in the same class as Soto in my opinion. That being said he should be included in an exercise like this.

Not including Vlad is an oversight on my part, meant to but just forgot as I was making the poll. Probably should create a new poll with him in it but whatever.

[jason122883]

JRod, because I'm a Mariners fan, and a homer

[eye4talent]

Guerrero has had 1 elite year in 4 at this point, and his groundball issues were allegedly "fixed" last year. He isn't in the same class as Soto in my opinion. That being said he should be included in an exercise like this.


Vlad’s not in the same class as the guy batting in the low .240’s and hitting for less power?

In the past two years, Soto has been elite for half of one season. Otherwise, he’s been far from the future $500 million player that he’s expected to be.

Meanwhile, Vlad was elite at 22, and he’s been very good at 23. Other than Soto’s walk rate, it’s hard to say he’s been superior to Vlad in any area these past two years.


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[PejaD]

Does best hitter mean a high average and low K %? From the list, there are too many power hitters with high K rates. I would select Wander from the list. Others to consider could be Arraez, Kwan and Alejandro Kirk

[pewe]

Does best hitter mean a high average and low K %? From the list, there are too many power hitters with high K rates. I would select Wander from the list. Others to consider could be Arraez, Kwan and Alejandro Kirk


OP mentioned he considers it more OPS type thing as opposed to actually players good at getting hits and avoiding K%

Totally agree that Arraez will probably be the best batting average of the next 10 years. And OBP probably among the top.

But seems like folks love for the Boggs / Gwynn type of hitter that I loved as a kid has gone down hill


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[cardozo]

Have to make a case for Luis Robert :flex:.

[dhendrix1303]

You forgot Austin Riley

[johnlocke36]

fun to think about, what would the poll look like if you asked 10 years ago?

Trout, Cabrera, McCutchen, Braun, David Wright etc...

[noaskiecards]

Yordan hopefully [emoji120]

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[pewe]

fun to think about, what would the poll look like if you asked 10 years ago?

Trout, Cabrera, McCutchen, Braun, David Wright etc...


It was asked 10 years ago, this is the newer thread by the same author of the version from back then.


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[ScooterD]

I went with other - Luis Arreaz.

With no power, he’ll have to win 8 batting titles in 10 years to be the right answer, but he actually might.

[rfgilles]

Vlad’s not in the same class as the guy batting in the low .240’s and hitting for less power?

In the past two years, Soto has been elite for half of one season. Otherwise, he’s been far from the future $500 million player that he’s expected to be.

Meanwhile, Vlad was elite at 22, and he’s been very good at 23. Other than Soto’s walk rate, it’s hard to say he’s been superior to Vlad in any area these past two years.


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You've been drinking the kool-aid too much in the Vladi thread.

Soto has 23 career WAR to Vladi's 13. You really have to bend over backwards to make a statistically based argument that Vladi is better than Soto.

Getting on base and drawing walks is one of the most important skills a batter could have to score runs and hence add value.

Vladi's numbers look closer to Eloy's numbers (albeit Vladi is younger) at this point.

I wouldn't be bragging about Vladi's numbers this season. Even as bad as Soto has been this year, he is still more valuable than Vladi.

[refuse24]

Blaze Alexandra because I’m a super fan [emoji7][emoji7]


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[LesExpos]

You've been drinking the kool-aid too much in the Vladi thread.

Soto has 23 career WAR to Vladi's 13. You really have to bend over backwards to make a statistically based argument that Vladi is better than Soto.

Getting on base and drawing walks is one of the most important skills a batter could have to score runs and hence add value.

Vladi's numbers look closer to Eloy's numbers (albeit Vladi is younger) at this point.

I wouldn't be bragging about Vladi's numbers this season. Even as bad as Soto has been this year, he is still more valuable than Vladi.

Well that's not entirely true, Soto has been God-awful for San Diego, he either pops up, strikes out or walks so honestly I'd take Vladdy's ground balls over that, at least he hits them hard. But I can agree that both have been huge under-achievers this year, but I'd go as far as saying Soto's stock has dropped more simply now because he looks disgustingly greedy (and like it or not, that hurts in this hobby).

What we are ignoring, in general, are the amount of down seasons that are happening this year though. Other than Judge, (who I know others agree is definitely on something this year to get what is going to be the worst contract handed out to someone not named Albert or Miguel), everyone's under-lying numbers are down. Look at Bregman. Look at Yelich. Look at Shohei (compared to last year). How bout Trevor Story? Teoscar Hernandez is another one. Even guys with big power numbers and decent OPS marks are still hitting .260-.270. But not putting Vlad on this list because you don't like him or think he's fat?

This will not age well.

[fabiani12333]

Anyone who didn't vote Yordan has no idea what they're doing. The next 10 years will be his age 26-35 seasons. He's been the best hitter in the group this season. Dusty called him the new Willie McCovey.

Soto couldn't hold Yordan's jock strap.

[rfgilles]

Well that's not entirely true, Soto has been God-awful for San Diego, he either pops up, strikes out or walks so honestly I'd take Vladdy's ground balls over that, at least he hits them hard. But I can agree that both have been huge under-achievers this year, but I'd go as far as saying Soto's stock has dropped more simply now because he looks disgustingly greedy (and like it or not, that hurts in this hobby).

What we are ignoring, in general, are the amount of down seasons that are happening this year though. Other than Judge, (who I know others agree is definitely on something this year to get what is going to be the worst contract handed out to someone not named Albert or Miguel), everyone's under-lying numbers are down. Look at Bregman. Look at Yelich. Look at Shohei (compared to last year). How bout Trevor Story? Teoscar Hernandez is another one. Even guys with big power numbers and decent OPS marks are still hitting .260-.270. But not putting Vlad on this list because you don't like him or think he's fat?

This will not age well.

What isn't entirely true?

[LesExpos]

What isn't entirely true?

That Soto is more valuable than Vladdy this year.

[vegetable]

Anyone who didn't vote Yordan has no idea what they're doing. The next 10 years will be his age 26-35 seasons. He's been the best hitter in the group this season. Dusty called him the new Willie McCovey.

Soto couldn't hold Yordan's jock strap.

tbh youre right

[rfgilles]

That Soto is more valuable than Vladdy this year.

He is by OPS+, WAR, offensive WAR. etc. Just because you "feel" that isn't true doesn't mean it is.

[Triple B]

I want to say Vladdy, but Bichette has shown that he is a hit machine.

[BAHoopla]

Yordan does it ALL

[pewe]

I went with other - Luis Arreaz.

With no power, he’ll have to win 8 batting titles in 10 years to be the right answer, but he actually might.


This is the most likely answer vs. names on the above list

Also more likely someone not listed is the right answer


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[clocsta2323]

Anyone who didn't vote Yordan has no idea what they're doing. The next 10 years will be his age 26-35 seasons. He's been the best hitter in the group this season. Dusty called him the new Willie McCovey.

Soto couldn't hold Yordan's jock strap.

Didn't your shrink tell you not to drink while on your meds?

[jutt]

One of these 3...but i'm leaning towards Bichette.
Yordan
Julio
Bichette

[clocsta2323]

I'm a huge Bichette fan...but until he can reduce his BB:K ratio I can't seriously consider him amongst the "best" hitters.

[daeve]

Andres Gimenez

[as921011]

Andrew Vaughn

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[imbluestreak23]

Some guy that will come out of nowhere three years from now.

Will you be buying his Bowmans from the flippers tho?

[oldgoldy97]

Will you be buying his Bowmans from the flippers tho?

He’ll say he isn’t but secretly will.

[hche]

If Trout is on the list, Harper is obligated to be included.

If Yordan is really 25 years old (:p), he should be good for 10 more years.

[Bambino22]

I am very happy with these results.

[SupermanBrandon]

Will you be buying his Bowmans from the flippers tho?

He’ll say he isn’t but secretly will.

He's one of the biggest flippers on BO.

[Homerun]

Andrew Vaughn

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I like this answer :)!

[Flamethrower]

David Fletcher

[matt roberson]

So much talent and unknowns to try and pin this down in a ten man poll.

I like Bichette a lot, Luis is a good option if your going to put a lot of weight on avg and ops.

I think Tucker has a chance but no one can see past Yordan when it comes to HOU players. He’s got good power and seems to be coming into his own this year., could be sneaky good over the next 10 years.

[1977 Cloth]

So much talent and unknowns to try and pin this down in a ten man poll.

I like Bichette a lot, Luis is a good option if your going to put a lot of weight on avg and ops.

I think Tucker has a chance but no one can see past Yordan when it comes to HOU players. He’s got good power and seems to be coming into his own this year., could be sneaky good over the next 10 years.

Tucker isn't sneaky. He is on every list to be a top 20 player for the next 5 years.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Will you be buying his Bowmans from the flippers tho?

He’ll say he isn’t but secretly will.

Interesting how you two always post together, this time two minutes apart. What’s it like being married to each other and working at home for the same employer?

[Robles Fan]

Andres Gimenez

I like this answer. But if there was polling for best all-around player for the next 10 years then he would probably get my vote.

[daeve]

I like this answer. But if there was polling for best all-around player for the next 10 years then he would probably get my vote.

I mean, people were answering with Bichette, and not only is Gimenez better than him in every way this season, he's also younger. If he improves his BB% and/or power in his peak years then he's got a very good shot. He's so balanced as a hitter and doesn't get beat badly hardly ever, so improvements seem likely to me. The question is just how much more can he improve?

But he already hits changeups better than anyone in baseball, so I'm thinking his ceiling is pretty unknown with how good his eye has become.

[NCWolf]

If you ask ARod then he will likely tell you it's... ARod

[unclemonkey]

Andres Gimenez

I so regret trading him in dynasty!

I like your contrarian pick...

In April, I would have said Tyler Freeman... lol

[teosdesserts]

Gunnar Henderson

[atk825]

One of these 3...but i'm leaning towards Bichette.
Yordan
Julio
Bichette

I mean Yordan has put up offensive numbers neither one of those two could dream of putting up, but sure, the guy with a sub .330 on base is it.

[jutt]

I mean Yordan has put up offensive numbers neither one of those two could dream of putting up, but sure, the guy with a sub .330 on base is it.

Let's revisit this in 10 years.

[OldReignman]

Gunnar

[eye4talent]

I mean Yordan has put up offensive numbers neither one of those two could dream of putting up, but sure, the guy with a sub .330 on base is it.


Not only can J-Rod dream of those numbers, he can probably expect to produce them someday. Batting .280 with 27 HR as a 21-year-old suggests he’s on the path to greatness.

Bichette, on the other hand, is an exciting but flawed player. He’s young and talented, so there’s plenty reason to like him. He’s just not going to be the best hitter in baseball over the next decade.


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[eye4talent]

You've been drinking the kool-aid too much in the Vladi thread.

Soto has 23 career WAR to Vladi's 13. You really have to bend over backwards to make a statistically based argument that Vladi is better than Soto.

Getting on base and drawing walks is one of the most important skills a batter could have to score runs and hence add value.

Vladi's numbers look closer to Eloy's numbers (albeit Vladi is younger) at this point.

I wouldn't be bragging about Vladi's numbers this season. Even as bad as Soto has been this year, he is still more valuable than Vladi.


That’s fine, you can ignore what I said about Vlad needing to work on his ground-ball rate, while dismissing the fact that Soto has been pretty much dreadful this year. And I don’t understand this “bragging” about Vlad’s numbers this year. It’s a down year. He’s struggled with ground balls. However, he’s still putting up decent numbers, especially in light of the league-wide offensive slump, and certainly better numbers than Soto.

Walks are important, sure. But if a player’s greatest attribute is taking walks, then he isn’t the best hitter. In fact, walking too much can be detrimental to your team, particularly if your team depends on you to drive in runs. If a guy’s on second and you walk, that guy on second isn’t any closer to scoring. Sure, whoever is batting behind Soto could drive in the run. But if Soto’s your best bet to drive in the runner, you want him swinging the bat.

Analytics folks love to dismiss RBI, saying it’s a reflection of the team around a player. But there’s a reason why the RBI career leaderboard is filled with all-time greats: because they do that thing that causes runners to frequently cross home plate. (Get lots of hits, and lots of big ones.) Vlad has 142 extra-base hits the last two seasons, compared to 103 for Soto. Vlad’s .268 average w/ RISP this year isn’t exactly special, but what to make of Soto’s .210 average w/ RISP…

And if you’re not hitting well, then that’s how you end up with just 61 RBI. I hate to say this, because I really do like Soto, but his 2022 stat line is straight off the back of a Ken Phelps ‘88 Topps cards.

If you want to point to 2019, that’s your prerogative. But a player’s real growth happens after that, with the mid-to-late 20’s being where the magic happens. Vlad has taken a relatively small step backward this year (not at all uncommon for stars at his age), while Soto has taken a rather large step backward.

The hope is that both bounce back next year with 1.000 OPS seasons and take center stage of this debate. But as long as Soto is batting in the .240s and showing reduced power, his struggles should be accounted for in our assessment of him. It’s really difficult, then, to say that he’s a level above the guy who’s hit better than he has the past two seasons.

Unless, of course, you rest your entire argument on walks.


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[atk825]

Not only can J-Rod dream of those numbers, he can probably expect to produce them someday. Batting .280 with 27 HR as a 21-year-old suggests he’s on the path to greatness.

Bichette, on the other hand, is an exciting but flawed player. He’s young and talented, so there’s plenty reason to like him. He’s just not going to be the best hitter in baseball over the next decade.


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Yordan has a 162 OPS+, 163 wRC+ through his first 1500 PA and his age 25 season. It’s not like he started at an advanced age. Of course part of what makes JRod great is his ability to play defense and run the bases but in terms of pure bat, I’m not sure he will ever sniff Yordan.

[atk825]

That’s fine, you can ignore what I said about Vlad needing to work on his ground-ball rate, while dismissing the fact that Soto has been pretty much dreadful this year. And I don’t understand this “bragging” about Vlad’s numbers this year. It’s a down year. He’s struggled with ground balls. However, he’s still putting up decent numbers, especially in light of the league-wide offensive slump, and certainly better numbers than Soto.

Walks are important, sure. But if a player’s greatest attribute is taking walks, then he isn’t the best hitter. In fact, walking too much can be detrimental to your team, particularly if your team depends on you to drive in runs. If a guy’s on second and you walk, that guy on second isn’t any closer to scoring. Sure, whoever is batting behind Soto could drive in the run. But if Soto’s your best bet to drive in the runner, you want him swinging the bat.

Analytics folks love to dismiss RBI, saying it’s a reflection of the team around a player. But there’s a reason why the RBI career leaderboard is filled with all-time greats: because they do that thing that causes runners to frequently cross home plate. (Get lots of hits, and lots of big ones.) Vlad has 142 extra-base hits the last two seasons, compared to 103 for Soto. Vlad’s .268 average w/ RISP this year isn’t exactly special, but what to make of Soto’s .210 average w/ RISP…

And if you’re not hitting well, then that’s how you end up with just 61 RBI. I hate to say this, because I really do like Soto, but his 2022 stat line is straight off the back of a Ken Phelps ‘88 Topps cards.

If you want to point to 2019, that’s your prerogative. But a player’s real growth happens after that, with the mid-to-late 20’s being where the magic happens. Vlad has taken a relatively small step backward this year (not at all uncommon for stars at his age), while Soto has taken a rather large step backward.

The hope is that both bounce back next year with 1.000 OPS seasons and take center stage of this debate. But as long as Soto is batting in the .240s and showing reduced power, his struggles should be accounted for in our assessment of him. It’s really difficult, then, to say that he’s a level above the guy who’s hit better than he has the past two seasons.

Unless, of course, you rest your entire argument on walks.


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The fact that Soto has been “dreadful” and is still having a superior offensive season to Vladito shows just how great Soto is offensively. Like you’re really using RBI to look at individual offensive ability?

[PKIPP]

Rafael Devers


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[pewe]

Rafael Devers


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Wouldn’t that be something?!? He might get a gold glove this year, which is even more shocking


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[rfgilles]

That’s fine, you can ignore what I said about Vlad needing to work on his ground-ball rate, while dismissing the fact that Soto has been pretty much dreadful this year. And I don’t understand this “bragging” about Vlad’s numbers this year. It’s a down year. He’s struggled with ground balls. However, he’s still putting up decent numbers, especially in light of the league-wide offensive slump, and certainly better numbers than Soto.

Walks are important, sure. But if a player’s greatest attribute is taking walks, then he isn’t the best hitter. In fact, walking too much can be detrimental to your team, particularly if your team depends on you to drive in runs. If a guy’s on second and you walk, that guy on second isn’t any closer to scoring. Sure, whoever is batting behind Soto could drive in the run. But if Soto’s your best bet to drive in the runner, you want him swinging the bat.

Analytics folks love to dismiss RBI, saying it’s a reflection of the team around a player. But there’s a reason why the RBI career leaderboard is filled with all-time greats: because they do that thing that causes runners to frequently cross home plate. (Get lots of hits, and lots of big ones.) Vlad has 142 extra-base hits the last two seasons, compared to 103 for Soto. Vlad’s .268 average w/ RISP this year isn’t exactly special, but what to make of Soto’s .210 average w/ RISP…

And if you’re not hitting well, then that’s how you end up with just 61 RBI. I hate to say this, because I really do like Soto, but his 2022 stat line is straight off the back of a Ken Phelps ‘88 Topps cards.

If you want to point to 2019, that’s your prerogative. But a player’s real growth happens after that, with the mid-to-late 20’s being where the magic happens. Vlad has taken a relatively small step backward this year (not at all uncommon for stars at his age), while Soto has taken a rather large step backward.

The hope is that both bounce back next year with 1.000 OPS seasons and take center stage of this debate. But as long as Soto is batting in the .240s and showing reduced power, his struggles should be accounted for in our assessment of him. It’s really difficult, then, to say that he’s a level above the guy who’s hit better than he has the past two seasons.

Unless, of course, you rest your entire argument on walks.


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You are a smart guy and I enjoy reading your posts but these are patently false.

Soto has a higher career AVG, SLG, and a significantly higher OBP. He strikes out less.

[fabiani12333]

Soto should just lead off -- his OBP would be more valuable then.

His hitting style reminds me of Rickey Henderson -- low average/very high OBP/okay home run totals.

Of course, Soto is a slow runner and couldn't sniff Rickey's jock strap on base running.

[rfgilles]

Soto should just lead off -- his OBP would be more valuable then.

His hitting style reminds me of Rickey Henderson -- low average/very high OBP/okay home run totals.

Of course, Soto is a slow runner and couldn't sniff Rickey's jock strap on base running.

Soto has a batting title (.351 but shortened season) to his name, has a career .287 average, and hit. 313 last season. I wouldn't call that a low average hitter.

[PKIPP]

Wouldn’t that be something?!? He might get a gold glove this year, which is even more shocking


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I’m surprised I was the first to mention him in this thread. 25 years old, with track record and having another excellent season. Lefty in Fenway Park.. I look at this dude and see a hall of fame bat. But that’s ok. He’s been slept on since he’s in same rookie card class with Acuna, soto, Ohtani.


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[SaltyCracker]

Pretty sure it’s this guy…

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[fabiani12333]

Soto has a batting title (.351 but shortened season) to his name, has a career .287 average, and hit. 313 last season. I wouldn't call that a low average hitter.

Henderson actually had a .279 career average, but it fluctuated year to year, going below .270 nearly half the time. What made him a good hitter is his ability to walk a lot, similar to Soto.

Soto's xBA (expected batting based on quality of contact) this season is .271. So it looks like he might be a new hitter now.

[rfgilles]

Henderson actually had a .279 career average, but it fluctuated year to year, going below .270 nearly half the time. What made him a good hitter is his ability to walk a lot, similar to Soto.

Yes that is how an average arises, sometimes the values are above and sometimes below :)

Soto's xBA (expected batting based on quality of contact) this season is .271. So it looks like he might be a new hitter now.

As far as I know batting average, and by extension expected batting average, has a fair amount of variance.

In 2021 his xBA was .305, so that varied from last to this year.

[BBases31]

Corbin Carroll

[fabiani12333]

Yes that is how an average arises, sometimes the values are above and sometimes below :)



As far as I know batting average, and by extension expected batting average, has a fair amount of variance.

In 2021 his xBA was .305, so that varied from last to this year.

The point i was making is that Henderson didn't have a plus hit tool -- his value was more based on plate discipline and walk rate, similar to Soto.

Soto's BA and xBA were above .300 each of the last two seasons. People thought he had arrived as a great hitter. But this season he took a sizable step back as a hitter. His athleticism has declined as well

We'll see how he does next season, but I think the shine is off of him for now.

[pewe]

Pretty sure it’s this guy…

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first 1K HR player seems likely, yes

[pewe]

I’m surprised I was the first to mention him in this thread. 25 years old, with track record and having another excellent season. Lefty in Fenway Park.. I look at this dude and see a hall of fame bat. But that’s ok. He’s been slept on since he’s in same rookie card class with Acuna, soto, Ohtani.


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Well he did get a handful of votes, so I guess not totally ignored