LeBron Exquisite RPA pulled live on IG - 12/23/22

[bigjbasketball]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/Cmf5na4J_d_/?igshid=ZDhmZGIxNmQ=

I can’t believe this just happened - nobody would believe this patch was real if it wasn’t pulled on camera.

[jmcca170]

Damn


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221223/792fd383ebf50321895152ef090471b9.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Stats]

absolutely unbelievable and surreal to see a box with a LeBron opened almost 2 decades later!

[gameissued]

Just saw the post, pretty crazy. And what's also crazy to me is how someone can open such a high end box without a brand new one-touch magnetic ready-to-go!

[GeechQuest]

Awesome stuff and a top 10% patch out of the set.

Thanks for sharing!

[RogerGodahell]

But who's got the biggest... balls of them all? ACDC anyone?

Obviously the guy who decided to open this box was not some poor lucky fella. They have quite the "exquisite" taste by the surroundings of their home from what can be seen in the video. Anyways still cool.

[mikejones]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/Cmf5na4J_d_/?igshid=ZDhmZGIxNmQ=

I can’t believe this just happened - nobody would believe this patch was real if it wasn’t pulled on camera.

Not saying they didn't pull it but the cards did go off camera for a bit...

[ninjacookies]

Happy Chanukah

https://media.tenor.com/c1z3iJIziXsAAAAi/thinking-kanye-west.gif

[Ferg1945]

Not saying they didn't pull it but the cards did go off camera for a bit...

That's what I was thinking.

It's not a break so it's ok...but going off camera felt a little odd after it was hit.

[Archangel1775]

Damn, gotta be the biggest hit of all-time. Did the girl respond with "Does that mean I can get a pair of new shoes?" Haha

[Archangel1775]

Not saying they didn't pull it but the cards did go off camera for a bit...

That's what I was thinking.

It's not a break so it's ok...but going off camera felt a little odd after it was hit.

Gotta be an A-1 acting job if so. They were both being quiet I'm guessing children were sleeping and the dudes hand wouldn't stop shaking.

[pokemaniac]

Let's go Brandon Davis!

[KhalDrogo]

What a patch.

[The_Reverend]

Not saying they didn't pull it but the cards did go off camera for a bit...

I thought the same thing when I watched it and there was not any shaking of the hands. It ALMOST, not saying it was, seemed staged. Great looking card regardless.

[jcardstore]

This place sucks :cry: why does every single thing have to be some massive conspiracy?

[KhalDrogo]

This place sucks :cry: why does every single thing have to be some massive conspiracy?
Because people are sad and self loathing, so they take it out on others.

[bigjbasketball]

Because people are sad and self loathing, so they take it out on others.

100%. I figured posting something positive and exciting like this would make people happy for a change, but it didn’t take long for people to start saying it’s fake or staged. This hobby can be insufferable at times.

Look, this is just a guy opening this box for himself…it’s not a seasoned group breaker that has a multiple camera setup and has been trained to never move the box or cards off-camera. He’s doing an IG live using just his phone. This same person has also opened multiple Exquisite boxes in the past, and actually pulled an MJ patch auto redemption out of one of them.

[KhalDrogo]

100%. I figured posting something positive and exciting like this would make people happy for a change, but it didn’t take long for people to start saying it’s fake or staged. This hobby can be insufferable at times.

Look, this is just a guy opening this box for himself…it’s not a seasoned group breaker that has a multiple camera setup and has been trained to never move the box or cards off-camera. He’s doing an IG live using just his phone. This same person has also opened multiple Exquisite boxes in the past, and actually pulled an MJ patch auto redemption out of one of them.
He’s also the guy who put together the big group break of 2019 NT FOTL and constantly was moving cards off camera. Not because he was a bad actor, but because he’s just a regular dude who doesn’t have a lot of experience filming breaks.

It’s incredible we get to see this product opened, period. But to see that card pulled is just amazing.

[psochaps]

Love his daughters excitement that she’s getting new shoes!!

[slogue2]

That is awesome!

[Archangel1775]

100%. I figured posting something positive and exciting like this would make people happy for a change, but it didn’t take long for people to start saying it’s fake or staged. This hobby can be insufferable at times.

Look, this is just a guy opening this box for himself…it’s not a seasoned group breaker that has a multiple camera setup and has been trained to never move the box or cards off-camera. He’s doing an IG live using just his phone. This same person has also opened multiple Exquisite boxes in the past, and actually pulled an MJ patch auto redemption out of one of them.

Yeah, it's silly to actually believe it's staged. All you have to do is look at his IG account. There are some very nice cards on it. He's a collector for sure.

[mjohnatgt]

Is that the only known Letterman patch in a James Exquisite card? Does it become the most valuable specimen of that specific card right now?

[pcptrade]

Is that the only known Letterman patch in a James Exquisite card? Does it become the most valuable specimen of that specific card right now?

https://buynicecards.com/product/2003-04-lebron-james-upper-deck-exquisite-rc-rookie-auto-38-99-bgs-9-with-10-auto

There are a few more I believe-

https://buynicecards.com/lebron-exquisite-database

[theleica]

This was awesome to watch. Not sure why everything has to be some conspiracy. Patch is amazing and the card looks in really great condition.

[jmmintz]

Low-key awesome is how that Gilbert would have been a pretty big pull around that time also. 2003-2006 was peak Agent 0 years.

[nbahobbyaddict]

Not saying they didn't pull it but the cards did go off camera for a bit...

I was thinking the same thing.

[the mesiah]

Let's go Brandon Davis!



Yea from the sound of it those kids weren’t prob even born when Brandon Davis was playing , not even hyped from that No Chill Gil pull either , I guess when u born into money /in it for the money and not the hobby things like that happen ,

[auburn35]

Incredible pull and great to have it on video.

Humorously, he won't need a BS letter from UD, attempting to legitimize the patch on this one.

[mindcycle]

Wow.. sitting in a box almost 20 years..crazy

[RogerGodahell]

How much does an unopened box go for?

[Archangel1775]

How much does an unopened box go for?

Last few sales at auction were 48,600 and roughly 68,000. Those were both in the last 6 months I believe. I'm pretty sure it was one of those boxes.

[RogerGodahell]

Voice sounds a lot like Rob Kardashian to me. A known baller for high end card breaking.

[HeyRelaxGuy]

Upper Deck handed those guys a LOADED box! Fake! Fake! Fake!

... I keed! I keed! :D:D:D:D

Usually people go nuts when they pull some stupid 1/1 logoman that nobody has any connection to, but this LeBron is the holy grail of modern basketball cards. This is the most craziest pull I have ever seen! Many congrats to them!

[Somuchjunkwax]

Low-key awesome is how that Gilbert would have been a pretty big pull around that time also. 2003-2006 was peak Agent 0 years.

I was thinking the same thing. Poor Gilbert's knees

[ricefan77]

Voice sounds a lot like Rob Kardashian to me. A known baller for high end card breaking.

is he jewish? the guy said it's a channukah miracle

[RogerGodahell]

is he jewish? the guy said it's a channukah miracle

On his father's side he does have some Jewish heritage

[brock]

The guy posted a pic of himself... Not Kardashian.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[RogerGodahell]

The guy posted a pic of himself... Not Kardashian.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Fair enough sounded like him to me though. And he is loaded and a known degenerate breaker.

[theleica]

The guy posted a pic of himself... Not Kardashian.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

He tagged himself and 2 sons on a pinned instagram post. All 3 use their full names in their account names.

[boxbuster7]

Last few sales at auction were 48,600 and roughly 68,000. Those were both in the last 6 months I believe. I'm pretty sure it was one of those boxes.

From ebay?

[Ericc5Bears]

My first thought is imagine being the guy who sold the unopened box, I'd probably throw up.

[tolrobb]

welp, the rich get richer. cool staged video though, their acting classes are paying off. :coffee:;)

[Frog]

Imagine having the money to open this box, but you don't know who Baron Davis is :D

[aggie4ever]

Pretty crazy, in the video he says this is the third box they've opened, I wonder if he bought a sealed case? He also mentions the previous box had an expired Jordan redemption, one of the reasons why I am surprised anyone would chance opening a box.

All in all, an incredible pull, and crazy to see 20 years after the set came out!

[notfast]

With the database, should be pretty easy to figure out if this was staged.

Don’t think you fake that hand shaking though.

[cfern023]

Why does the patch look like its "Silk Screened" lettering and not a twill patch? It looks like a Champion replica instead of a on court authentic swatch.

[thenwhatjk]

Why does the patch look like its "Silk Screened" lettering and not a twill patch? It looks like a Champion replica instead of a on court authentic swatch.

Always been very hilarious to me about that card

[Ferg1945]

This place sucks :cry: why does every single thing have to be some massive conspiracy?

Because people are sad and self loathing, so they take it out on others.

Because nothing shady or slight of hand has ever happened in this industry. :cool:

If 20% of the cards stayed on camera the entire time... no one would have said anything. The cards went completely off screen for a couple seconds.

I've seen and heard enough shady sh*t that I do question things like this and I'll continue to do so. You may think it's sad but it's the truth.

[the mesiah]

Why does the patch look like its "Silk Screened" lettering and not a twill patch? It looks like a Champion replica instead of a on court authentic swatch.


https://media.tenor.com/7HUogy7rXs4AAAAC/feel-me-think-about-it.gif

[BGT Masters]

Because nothing shady or slight of hand has ever happened in this industry. :cool:

If 20% of the cards stayed on camera the entire time... no one would have said anything. The cards went completely off screen for a couple seconds.

I've seen and heard enough shady sh*t that I do question things like this and I'll continue to do so. You may think it's sad but it's the truth.

This hobby has gotten so shady its hard to trust anything anymore.

Someone could have already had the Lebron from another box but never posted it. Swapped out the Lebron patch and made it look like the patch was legit by "pulling it live". Not saying that happened here but you never know anymore.

[ninjacookies]

Was Kyrie right?

How will history remember Hanukkah exq breaks?

[Archangel1775]

From ebay?

The box sales were from PWCC and Heritage I believe

[RogerGodahell]

Someone would have to be pretty damn ballsy to replace a patch on a million dollar card or whatever it's worth. Doesn't someone have a tracker for all these RPA's with the serial numbers, has it ever come up before?

What was the origin of the box, was it from the great long lost Filipino bank heist hoard?

[RogerGodahell]

The box sales were from PWCC and Heritage I believe

Maybe i should read the post above mine before asking. I still like to think it was from the great Filipino hoard. :)

[towerymt]

Not saying they didn't pull it but the cards did go off camera for a bit...
Kirilenko, the top card, flying off screen for a sec.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=531954&stc=1&d=1671863370

[Archangel1775]

Maybe i should read the post above mine before asking. I still like to think it was from the great Filipino hoard. :)

Probably the most infamous break of all-time. Dark warehouse, flip flops and stacking what would be 5-6-figure cards in piles.

[Prizmcollector9]

Any guesses on the Lebron grade? 26coll sending it PSA

[BGT Masters]

Someone would have to be pretty damn ballsy to replace a patch on a million dollar card or whatever it's worth. Doesn't someone have a tracker for all these RPA's with the serial numbers, has it ever come up before?

What was the origin of the box, was it from the great long lost Filipino bank heist hoard?

I finally watched the video and the guys hands were already shaking here and there before pulling the card but I mean that could be from breaking a box like Exquisite. As for having balls replacing a patch on a card like that, someone once trimmed a Honus Wagner.

Its a shame where we are at but anytime cards leave the frame people are going to think something is up.

[ZappBrannigan]

Just saw the post, pretty crazy. And what's also crazy to me is how someone can open such a high end box without a brand new one-touch magnetic ready-to-go!

Hes definately not a hobby pioneer.

[Kodiak10]

I finally watched the video and the guys hands were already shaking here and there before pulling the card but I mean that could be from breaking a box like Exquisite. As for having balls replacing a patch on a card like that, someone once trimmed a Honus Wagner.

Its a shame where we are at but anytime cards leave the frame people are going to think something is up.

The bottom line is..... would anyone in their right mind buy an Lebron Exquisite without it being graded? I sure hope not. I wouldn't buy a card raw rpa unless pulled just after release- a few months for more than a 2K especially with a multi colored patch like above.

[BGT Masters]

The bottom line is..... would anyone in their right mind buy an Lebron Exquisite without it being graded? I sure hope not. I wouldn't buy a card raw rpa unless pulled just after release- a few months for more than a 2K especially with a multi colored patch like above.

Being graded means nothing. There are thousands of cards with fake patches in them that are graded. Heck there are thousands of fake cards graded as well.

[HeyRelaxGuy]

I finally watched the video and the guys hands were already shaking here and there before pulling the card but I mean that could be from breaking a box like Exquisite. As for having balls replacing a patch on a card like that, someone once trimmed a Honus Wagner.


Bill Mastro paid $25,000 USD for that T206 Wagner and then trimmed it. He did not trim a million dollar card. He later sold it to Jim Copeland for $110,000 USD.

Bottom line is this: any grail card with a switched patch was done years ago (when the value was like a thousand bucks or so). Once these cards started hitting thirty, forty, fifty thousand bucks, then nobody was gonna' mess around with them because the risk was too great.

[KhalDrogo]

I believe the pull is legitimate.

Here’s what would need to be true for it not to be.

1. Patch was swapped or card altered. If this isn’t true, there’s no reason to fake the pull to legitimize it.
2. 27/99 was never photographed, discussed on the internet, seen at a show, or graded.
3. Whoever 26 bought 27/99 from, had their silence purchased as well.
4. 26 knew the correct order for the /99 RPAs. As you saw on IG yesterday, this was definitely not common knowledge.
5. 26 was the only person the card was shopped to.

All possible, but very unlikely.

[mjohnatgt]

I don't see any way this is a set up. Just listen to the banter he's having before the pull with the video commenters. He would be much less comfortable if he was planning a swap.

[Beavers98]

Amazing Pull. Just crazy some of those gems are still sitting in boxes and there are people willing to bust them at today's prices. Different world than I live in, but amazing card nonetheless

[BGT Masters]

Bill Mastro paid $25,000 USD for that T206 Wagner and then trimmed it. He did not trim a million dollar card. He later sold it to Jim Copeland for $110,000 USD.

Bottom line is this: any grail card with a switched patch was done years ago (when the value was like a thousand bucks or so). Once these cards started hitting thirty, forty, fifty thousand bucks, then nobody was gonna' mess around with them because the risk was too great.

I don't believe that for a second.

Though the purchase was only $25,000 it was done so in 1985. I'm not old enough to remember cards prices back then but that has to be a pretty high sum for a sports card back then. My point was someone was willing to pull a fast one on the "Holy Grail".

[auburn35]

I don't believe that for a second.

Though the purchase was only $25,000 it was done so in 1985. I'm not old enough to remember cards prices back then but that has to be a pretty high sum for a sports card back then. My point was someone was willing to pull a fast one on the "Holy Grail".

Correct, there are several examples of fraudsters targeting and altering high-end items.

This thread details a Steph Curry RC NT RPA /99 being altered, including wiping the auto and swapping patches.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1317145

[RogerGodahell]

Correct, there are several examples of fraudsters targeting and altering high-end items.

This thread details a Steph Curry RC NT RPA /99 being altered, including wiping the auto and swapping patches.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1317145

When was it done though is the question? I only read the first couple sentences from that link. The altered card sold for $19K in 2019 is that correct? What's it worth now, not that particular one but one similar (authentic) several hundred thousand? And what was it worth before it was altered? Probably only a tiny fraction of that $19K.

I could be wrong though and forgive my ignorance if i am because i didn't take the time to read anymore than the first few lines of that link.

I mean anything's possible someone could have the balls (they would have to be VERY VERY BIG) to trim a million dollar card but there are no previous sightings or links to this particular LBJ card correct?

I think most of those swapped and altered patches that have plagued the hobby were done when they were worth very little compared to today's values. But like i said anything's possible i guess.

[RogerGodahell]

err patch swap not trim

[Archangel1775]

There is nothing in the video aside from the box going off-frame for a few seconds for anyone to believe this is a fake. It's not a group break and the guy simply could have sent it to PSA or BGS without all this drama.

[auburn35]

When was it done though is the question? I only read the first couple sentences from that link.

I mean anything's possible someone could have the balls (they would have to be VERY VERY BIG) to trim a million dollar card but there are no previous sightings or links to this particular LBJ card correct?

I think most of those swapped and altered patches that have plagued the hobby were done when they were worth very little compared to today's values. But like i said anything's possible i guess.

Purchased with a flawed auto discount for 19k and altered in 2019, when I believe prices of clean copies were around $45k~.

I'm not suggesting anything happened with this Lebron, just addressing the comments that suggest once cards reach a certain price range, they're not likely to be messed with.

Just earlier this year, the "million dollar" Justin Herbert prizm allegedly went straight to the repair shop after opening.

[gameissued]

People too worked up over the 1 sec the cards were off screen. To me it has to be real without question - because in their next video post (a lame skit about opening 2 boxes or something) you will clearly see that none of them are capable of being good actors LoL.

[jova888]

Card will be sold for grape.. or shilled..

[Orangejello727]

Wish I still owned mine. Bought it cheap, kept it raw, sold it and now its a BGS 9.5 /10

[Ericc5Bears]

I believe the pull is legitimate.

Here’s what would need to be true for it not to be.

1. Patch was swapped or card altered. If this isn’t true, there’s no reason to fake the pull to legitimize it.
2. 27/99 was never photographed, discussed on the internet, seen at a show, or graded.
3. Whoever 26 bought 27/99 from, had their silence purchased as well.
4. 26 knew the correct order for the /99 RPAs. As you saw on IG yesterday, this was definitely not common knowledge.
5. 26 was the only person the card was shopped to.

All possible, but very unlikely.

Plus, it's not like a grading company is just going to automatically grade the card without properly analyzing it just because this video exists. Odds are most, if not all, of the graders who will look the card over wouldn't have even seen the video. If the patch shows any signs of being swapped they won't hesitate to slab it as authentic altered.

[Beavers98]

Plus, it's not like a grading company is just going to automatically grade the card without properly analyzing it just because this video exists. Odds are most, if not all, of the graders who will look the card over wouldn't have even seen the video. If the patch shows any signs of being swapped they won't hesitate to slab it as authentic altered.

HAHAHA. Really? You know that these companies don't authenticate the patch they just grade the card right?? and only mark it as Authentic/Altered if there is beyond a shadow of a doubt with mountains of proof showing it's fake.

[BGT Masters]

Plus, it's not like a grading company is just going to automatically grade the card without properly analyzing it just because this video exists. Odds are most, if not all, of the graders who will look the card over wouldn't have even seen the video. If the patch shows any signs of being swapped they won't hesitate to slab it as authentic altered.

Again, there are literally thousands of cards that have been graded with fake patches in them. What you just said is not true at all.

[Brwdot]

The card is real. Its completely consistent with the patches on these cards. It is beyond impossible to duplicate a fake as good as this and all of this "the card went off cam" stuff makes all of you look like buffoons.

This isn't a group break. Cards going off cam is in order to steal cards. So whats the end game here? The card wasn't really pulled live? It's a fake patch that is now trying to force a backstory of being real?

Again, buffoons. The card is real and no one would be questioning the patch without the video anyway. Box was seen from all angles with all of the appropriate seals.

[Ericc5Bears]

HAHAHA. Really? You know that these companies don't authenticate the patch they just grade the card right?? and only mark it as Authentic/Altered if there is beyond a shadow of a doubt with mountains of proof showing it's fake.

BGS and PSA both absolutely do authenticate patches (at least to some degree) now, in the last month I have had 2 cards graded as questionable authenticity due to the patches likely being swapped. There was a pretty big post on here a few weeks/months ago about Beckett refusing to grade a Lamar Jackson NT RPA that the poster claimed he pulled himself because BGS said the patch seemed inconsistent with the rest of the set.

[Ericc5Bears]

Again, there are literally thousands of cards that have been graded with fake patches in them. What you just said is not true at all.

That's pretty terrible logic. There are thousands of trimmed and otherwise altered cards that have been graded. Does that mean the grading companies don't check if a card is altered before grading it?

[Brwdot]

BGS and PSA both absolutely do authenticate patches (at least to some degree) now, in the last month I have had 2 cards graded as questionable authenticity due to the patches likely being swapped. There was a pretty big post on here a few weeks/months ago about Beckett refusing to grade a Lamar Jackson NT RPA that the poster claimed he pulled himself because BGS said the patch seemed inconsistent with the rest of the set.

Show the thread. I looked at your post history and couldn't find it.

[Brwdot]

BGS and PSA both absolutely do authenticate patches (at least to some degree) now, in the last month I have had 2 cards graded as questionable authenticity due to the patches likely being swapped. There was a pretty big post on here a few weeks/months ago about Beckett refusing to grade a Lamar Jackson NT RPA that the poster claimed he pulled himself because BGS said the patch seemed inconsistent with the rest of the set.

"weeks/months" - March. lol.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1512693

"big post". If this is a big post, what's a small post? Wasn't even two pages. You didn't post. The card wasn't even the posters it was a link to IG.

You either have a terrible memory or searched to find this to use it as a point to make to argue with some guy that they "do authenticate patches!"

Anyways, if there were actual truth to this outside of this fringe case and your made up stories it would be better known. This wouldn't be what you would need to use as your proof... which you are essentially hyping up anyways.

"posted in March" - "small post" - "someone posted another guys story" doesn't sound quite as good as "weeks/months" - "big post" - "the poster claimed". This is what dishonesty looks like.

Also you're wrong. BGS doesn't authenticate patches to any degree.

[Beavers98]

BGS and PSA both absolutely do authenticate patches (at least to some degree) now, in the last month I have had 2 cards graded as questionable authenticity due to the patches likely being swapped. There was a pretty big post on here a few weeks/months ago about Beckett refusing to grade a Lamar Jackson NT RPA that the poster claimed he pulled himself because BGS said the patch seemed inconsistent with the rest of the set.

When did this change take place? Myself and others it appears have pointed out they in fact do not authenticate the patch. That has been BGS/PSA/SGC's stance for decades, hence the thousands upon thousands of fake patch cards in slabs. That's how newbs are duped, they see a grade and think the card, the whole card, is legit. It is NOT.

BGS does extensive research to validate game or event used materials on cards, we can not guarantee their actual authenticity.
PSA has similar language if I care to look it up.

Now if there has been some recent change and they(TPG) are catching some obvious ones here and there congrats to them, but that again begs the question what now, what cert # etc. does this start at and what about the thousands of fake patches already in slabs. Without data from the card company of each patch the TPG simply can't do this. So they DON"T. Sorry..

[Deadshot]

I think people are making a lot more out of the cards going off screen than they should. I've also heard people say the nameplate piece is questionable. Doesn't 25/99 have a big piece of the letter "A" from James? And aren't there nameplate pieces in 24/99, 38/99, and (the most famous of the nameplate copies) 74/99?

As far as BGS and patches go, their policy seems to change all the time.

[BGT Masters]

That's pretty terrible logic. There are thousands of trimmed and otherwise altered cards that have been graded. Does that mean the grading companies don't check if a card is altered before grading it?

That would depend on who is grading them and who submitted them. Your statement sort of proves my point. They either don't check for these things or they do a really terrible job at it. Why else would there be thousands, upon thousands of altered, trimmed, counterfeit cards graded. :)!

You calling that terrible logic tells me you probably have an invested interest (bias) in graded cards or you are just very naive.

[HeyRelaxGuy]

That would depend on who is grading them and who submitted them. Your statement sort of proves my point. They either don't check for these things or they do a really terrible job at it. Why else would there be thousands, upon thousands of altered, trimmed, counterfeit cards graded. :)!

You calling that terrible logic tells me you probably have an invested interest (bias) in graded cards or you are just very naive.

If you want to talk about logic, well let's look at yours:

This hobby has gotten so shady its hard to trust anything anymore.

Card X could've been altered because you never know.

We can pretty much apply this argument to every single card out there! :doh:

[NBAicons]

The card is obviously real and awesome. But I have to say I’m not 100% sure that break was legitimate. Not saying it wasn’t, just saying I’m not sure.

[Prizmcollector9]

The card is obviously real and awesome. But I have to say I’m not 100% sure that break was legitimate. Not saying it wasn’t, just saying I’m not sure.

I think this is the 3rd or 4th box those guys opened, and one time they pulled an expired jordan redemption. 99.9% no funny business here.

[hatemyswagger]

The guy who pulled the Lebron RPA didn't sound very excited.

[tracymcgravy]

Not sure if this has been dropped here:

https://twitter.com/stevenspiegel/status/1608257759010783234?s=46&t=by0ze--tEN7iG8YnvssO_A

I too was a tiny bit skeptical of the fact that the cards went off-camera for a few seconds, but this video pretty much cleared all my doubts.

[gameissued]

No way, they must have done a perfectly timed reenactment! Kidding. I had no doubt when I saw the original but glad someone recorded a side angle too.

[auburn35]

Someone in this thread mentioned the Lebron was being sent to PSA for grading (maybe that happened?) but if anyone was curious, the card ended up in a BGS 8 holder.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnfXR-LSu7p/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

BGS 8 # 15271308

Centering : 10.0
Corner : 7.5
Edges : 9.5
Surfaces : 8.0
Auto: 10.0
Final Grade: 8.0

[celtxman]

Someone in this thread mentioned the Lebron was being sent to PSA for grading (maybe that happened?) but if anyone was curious, the card ended up in a BGS 8 holder.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnfXR-LSu7p/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

BGS 8 # 15271308

Centering : 10.0
Corner : 7.5
Edges : 9.5
Surfaces : 8.0
Auto: 10.0
Final Grade: 8.0 Thank you for the update. A lot of eyes on this card. Interesting SUBS and still a very nice patch. I would think with the current market to hold itl

[blockedbyjames]

WHO in their right mind would send this to BGS instead of PSA? And I'm a BGS fanboi. Unbelieveable loss of value here. The corner sub is public information forever now which is the most important sub and also the worst on the card.

[gameissued]

If it's not for sale I think BGS is the way to go. The cost alone would be $13k to grade it at PSA.

WHO in their right mind would send this to BGS instead of PSA? And I'm a BGS fanboi. Unbelieveable loss of value here. The corner sub is public information forever now which is the most important sub and also the worst on the card.

[Archangel1775]

WHO in their right mind would send this to BGS instead of PSA? And I'm a BGS fanboi. Unbelieveable loss of value here. The corner sub is public information forever now which is the most important sub and also the worst on the card.

I would imagine the owner isn't selling but with this card, it'll age like a 52 Mantle and T206 Wagner. I'm guessing PSA 8 if it goes that route which isn't bad but one can hope for a 9. It would be clear to the naked eye that it's not a 10.

[90skid]

If it's not for sale I think BGS is the way to go. The cost alone would be $13k to grade it at PSA.


To be honest this is probably why they did go with BGS. Let's just say you try to submit this card to PSA under the "Premium 5" service which is DV $249,999 - that costs $5,000 to do so.

On the other hand, you submit to BGS - let's say you do it through PCSportsCards - $250 for "Premium Plus" service which is 2-5 day turn around, no declared value.

That's quite a difference.

[ninjacookies]

If it's not for sale I think BGS is the way to go. The cost alone would be $13k to grade it at PSA.

For a card of this magnitude, I would be flying in to hand deliver the card to PSA's front office...then stay at a hotel and pick it up when ready.


LMK if the $13k 'shipping insurance' fee upcharge scam is still applicable, Nat.

https://media.tenor.com/LIpCXDrZoMQAAAAM/stare-staring.gif

[blockedbyjames]

For a card of this magnitude, I would be flying in to hand deliver the card to PSA's front office...then stay at a hotel and pick it up when ready.


LMK if the $13k 'shipping insurance' fee upcharge scam is still applicable, Nat.

https://media.tenor.com/LIpCXDrZoMQAAAAM/stare-staring.gif

This. If you're buying exquisite boxes, you aren't fretting over 5000 grading fees. Anyone in their right mind would hand deliver that to PSA, or leave it raw and let the speculation roar for all-time.

[HeyRelaxGuy]

Maybe these 'Hanukkah miracle' guys took this card to PSA first but were told that it would only grade a 6 or something like that. Then they decided to give Beckett a try and got an 8. They're not stupid, people!

[tmar214]

Maybe these 'Hanukkah miracle' guys took this card to PSA first but were told that it would only grade a 6 or something like that. Then they decided to give Beckett a try and got an 8. They're not stupid, people!

Would be my guess as well. A card with bgs 7.5 corners and 8 surface is extremely unlikely to get better than a psa 7 at best. Oddly their seem to be very few exquisite lebrons that have been regraded by PSA. Almost every one that comes up for auction is a bgs 8.5 / 9. Makes me think they’re not easy on crossing those.

[bmf]

WHO in their right mind would send this to BGS instead of PSA? And I'm a BGS fanboi. Unbelieveable loss of value here. The corner sub is public information forever now which is the most important sub and also the worst on the card.

Lol really? BGS was def the way to go, for reasons already stated and others. No way you can be a “BGS fanboi” and also ask that question. :doh:

[blockedbyjames]

Lol really? BGS was def the way to go, for reasons already stated and others. No way you can be a “BGS fanboi” and also ask that question. :doh:

Just being honest. If you're in it for the money, can't argue with PSA. There is no debate on this. BGS 8 just ruined the card nostalgia.

[bmf]

Just being honest. If you're in it for the money, can't argue with PSA. There is no debate on this. BGS 8 just ruined the card nostalgia.

You are assuming they’re in it for the money. You are assuming PSA would not have given the card a lower grade (which could mean less money, possibly much less money). And for the life of me, I can’t imagine what why a BGS holder or BGS 8 grade would ruin the nostalgia for the card, especially when most of these LeBron Exquisite RPA’s are shown off in BGS holders. Again, a very odd argument for a self-described BGS fanboi, which I highly doubt you truly are.

[gameissued]

LoL I think anytime you pull a LeBron RPA you just gotta take what you’re dealt! I don’t see how it is “ruined” though. Even if this was pulled back then it’s not in bad enough shape to warrant a replacement. A higher grade would just be a higher grade, does not really change the nostalgia or significance of the pull by any means. BGS 8 NM-MT for an original Exquisite is actually a decent grade. That’s pretty much what you should expect coming straight out of the box considering it was handled by athletes, hand collated by UD, poor packaging, etc.



Just being honest. If you're in it for the money, can't argue with PSA. There is no debate on this. BGS 8 just ruined the card nostalgia.

[YayNJ]

Just being honest. If you're in it for the money, can't argue with PSA. There is no debate on this. BGS 8 just ruined the card nostalgia.

the hell are you talking about?

JFC :doh:

[rhigh2390]

Still have no idea how people like PSA over BGS.

Better slabs = BGS
Inner sleeve = BGS
Better protection = BGS
Subgrades = BGS

[SidVish]

Still have no idea how people like PSA over BGS.

Better slabs = BGS
Inner sleeve = BGS
Better protection = BGS
Subgrades = BGS

https://media.giphy.com/media/TL6poLzwbHuF2/giphy.gif

[spurs50fan]

Last few sales at auction were 48,600 and roughly 68,000. Those were both in the last 6 months I believe. I'm pretty sure it was one of those boxes.

Wait...and the girl was asking for new shoes :confused::D

This was an amazing video to watch. I appreciated the shaking hands more than anything cause Lord knows...

[rhigh2390]

https://media.giphy.com/media/TL6poLzwbHuF2/giphy.gif

https://media.tenor.com/7Syr-HlRBXIAAAAC/thats-true-kramer.gif

[SidVish]

https://media.tenor.com/7Syr-HlRBXIAAAAC/thats-true-kramer.gif

Haha. Everyone has their personal tastes. :)!

[YayNJ]

Still have no idea how people like PSA over BGS.


Money.

and that's it.

[KhalDrogo]

Money.

and that's it.
And this line of thinking is why every other TPG is light years behind.

[duron]

Still have no idea how people like PSA over BGS.

Better slabs = BGS
Inner sleeve = BGS
Better protection = BGS
Subgrades = BGS

I get some people like the “sturdiness” of bgs slabs, but the clarity of the plastic is just so poor compared to others like psa and csg.

That said I really don’t have a dog in the fight, I’m a low end guy and still haven’t sent in a single card to be graded. Have a 100 or so cards that I probably should sub.

[eastbayak]

Still have no idea how people like PSA over BGS.

Better slabs = BGS
Inner sleeve = BGS
Better protection = BGS
Subgrades = BGS

PSA has greatly fooled "collectors" in recent years.

Gotta love it though, you can pick-up PC cards in BGS cases for bargain prices.

[mcgee2134]

I get some people like the “sturdiness” of bgs slabs, but the clarity of the plastic is just so poor compared to others like psa and csg.

That said I really don’t have a dog in the fight, I’m a low end guy and still haven’t sent in a single card to be graded. Have a 100 or so cards that I probably should sub.

I have mostly BGS slabs but you're right, the clarity is crap! Not only so a lot of the slabs come scratched or foggy, but so do the inner sleeves.

[rhigh2390]

PSA has greatly fooled "collectors" in recent years.

Gotta love it though, you can pick-up PC cards in BGS cases for bargain prices.

Definitely love this part.

[hche]

It used to be modern autos go to BGS. Older vintages go to PSA. If it is the same card, PSA 10 sales price used to be about the same as BGS 9.5. Somewhere in time, the auto grade doesn't really matter anymore and PSA 10 sales price started to jump over BGS 9.5. Then more and more people started to sub everything through PSA. For PC, you can pick whichever case you like but most people care about the final sales price than PC.

[eastbayak]

Definitely love this part.

It’s really awesome.

It used to be modern autos go to BGS. Older vintages go to PSA. If it is the same card, PSA 10 sales price used to be about the same as BGS 9.5. Somewhere in time, the auto grade doesn't really matter anymore and PSA 10 sales price started to jump over BGS 9.5. Then more and more people started to sub everything through PSA. For PC, you can pick whichever case you like but most people care about the final sales price than PC.

BGS => PC
PSA => Easy money/flips to newbies and brainwashed “collectors”

[Orangejello727]

BGS has always been a horrible experience from submitting to getting your cards back. So I went PSA. Now everyone goes PSA and their experience is bunk. Even with less cards being graded at BGS, they're experience from submitting to final grade is the absolute worst.

[nbahobbyaddict]

Still have no idea how people like PSA over BGS.

Better slabs = BGS
Inner sleeve = BGS
Better protection = BGS
Subgrades = BGS

Yup.

BGS => PC
PSA => Easy money/flips to newbies and brainwashed “collectors”

You nailed it.

[Yankees2020]

They went off camera many times... I really smell fish here.