Make it make sense

[BC Hunt]

Find card on eBay that I want badly. Here's what happened in a nutshell...


Make offer to seller on ebay.
Seller declines.
Find seller advertising same card on Twitter.
DM seller on Twitter with an offer (no ebay fees)
Seller declines "I'd rather sell on ebay for more $"
Next day see card sold on ebay best offer accepted for less than my intial ebay offer and far less than my twitter offer.


Make it make sense!

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[glen87]

what was the card, the offers, and the selling price?

[SupermanBrandon]

Find card on eBay that I want badly. Here's what happened in a nutshell...


Make offer to seller on ebay.
Seller declines.
Find seller advertising same card on Twitter.
DM seller on Twitter with an offer (no ebay fees)
Seller declines "I'd rather sell on ebay for more $"
Next day see card sold on ebay best offer accepted for less than my intial ebay offer and far less than my twitter offer.


Make it make sense!

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If it involves this hobby, eBay, Twitter and money...you can chalk 99% up to: Most People Are Complete Idiots.

[pewe]

the other person had a compelling sob story???

[I agree this is super frustrating :( ]

[BC Hunt]

If it involves this hobby, eBay, Twitter and money...you can chalk 99% up to: Most People Are Complete Idiots.

the other person had a compelling sob story???

[I agree this is super frustrating :( ]


LOL, yeah just have to SMH and move on. Just baffling that someone basically threw away good money making that move.

I will say, though, I take some ownership and could have bought the card at the original asking price and avoided it. That's what I get.

[ThoseBackPages]

you certainly ticked them off!

hope it was an easy card to find again

[glen87]

LOL, yeah just have to SMH and move on. Just baffling that someone basically threw away good money making that move.

I will say, though, I take some ownership and could have bought the card at the original asking price and avoided it. That's what I get.

this is the part that may never be known. on the surface, it could look like they made less money on the sale, but there is a possibility they actually got more.

-the buyer could be known to them, and they worked some bigger deal that included other stuff.

or you could be right and they could have simply sold for less.

[eastbayak]

I'm sorry I didn't sell the card to you but why'd you have to put me on blast like that?

[hammertime]

Sellers who refuse to sell direct are baffling to me.

[BC Hunt]

you certainly ticked them off!

hope it was an easy card to find again

lol, my initial thought was "what did I do to piss you off?!" But I was actually attempting to buy your card for more money, with a friendly approach. :confused: So, why would they have been ticked? Especially since they were advertising it on Twitter. Our twitter interaction was friendly/normal. It's not like I sent a message "what's the lowest you'll take?" lol

Honestly I think the person (possibly not very experienced) was trying to get more $, which is totally fine of course, and then realized they couldn't very quickly get more $, and got impatient and took the next offer they got.

My thought is, why not just reach back out to me and make a counter offer or accept what I offered, which was ~30% more than what they ended up getting for it?

Anyway, just thought it was strange!

[Bcwcardz]

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I always think of this. Maybe they just didn’t want to sell it to you for some reason. I’d just move on and not dwell on it too much.


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[AwesomeBrian]

My new favorite:

Card listed for $345

Multiple comps over last 3 months show sales between $100 and $140 for low numbered parallel

Message seller to ask if they will come down

"Sorry I can't go that low"

Translation: I am unable to process information that shows I am grossly overpriced and would rather keep the card instead of make a sale, or I have no intention of actually selling the card

[BC Hunt]

Sellers who refuse to sell direct are baffling to me.

Same.

Ok so let's pretend the seller wants to keep everything on ebay for whatever reason, and there could be reasons that make sense to any given seller...ok cool.

BUT, why would you not take my offer on ebay, and then accept a lower offer on ebay?

The transaction made zero sense. Maybe the seller thought I was long gone and didn't want to come back to me and just took the next offer out of laziness/haste.

[BC Hunt]

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I always think of this. Maybe they just didn’t want to sell it to you for some reason. I’d just move on and not dwell on it too much.


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that's racist :p

[BC Hunt]

I'm sorry I didn't sell the card to you but why'd you have to put me on blast like that?


why do you hate money?


but seriously, it wasn't you, I'm sure you're much more savvy! :D

[BC Hunt]

My new favorite:

Card listed for $345

Multiple comps over last 3 months show sales between $100 and $140 for low numbered parallel

Message seller to ask if they will come down

"Sorry I can't go that low"

Translation: I am unable to process information that shows I am grossly overpriced and would rather keep the card instead of make a sale, or I have no intention of actually selling the card

yeah can be frustrating, but at the same time I have no issue with a seller valuing a card however they want to and sticking to it. They'll either never sell it, end up caving and coming down, or end up getting what they ask.

so in that same scenario....what if the seller denied your $140 offer and then a day later accepted someone else's offer for $110? That's kind of what happened with me here.

[ALBASKETBALL]

Reverse price manipulation. That's a new one. Must have been severed an Uno reverse.

[BC Hunt]

Reverse price manipulation. That's a new one. Must have been severed an Uno reverse.


ha!


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[RandAlThor]

My new favorite:

Card listed for $345

Multiple comps over last 3 months show sales between $100 and $140 for low numbered parallel

Message seller to ask if they will come down

"Sorry I can't go that low"

Translation: I am unable to process information that shows I am grossly overpriced and would rather keep the card instead of make a sale, or I have no intention of actually selling the card

There are some sellers who will list cards at crazy prices knowing they are way above comps. They might not want to really sell the card unless someone is willing to agree to their crazy high price. AKA " I really don't want to sell it price".

[eastbayak]

why do you hate money?


but seriously, it wasn't you, I'm sure you're much more savvy! :D

I don't hate money, money hates me!

Honestly, there's a lot of potential explanations (examples below but not just limited to these):

1. Inexperienced eBay seller who doesn't know how to navigate the platform and send messages
2. Has lots of active listings (not just on eBay) and forgot that you reached out about the card (or remembered someone reached out about the card but couldn't remember who it was)
3. Thought that you were trying to scam him off-eBay (for whatever reason) so didn't feel comfortable selling to you

[BC Hunt]

what was the card, the offers, and the selling price?


Wander Franco Dugout Peeks RC

ebay offer $125 (declined)

twitter offer $140 (declined, seller would have netted $130 ish)

ebay sale $110 (best offer accepted a day later, seller nets what, $95 ish?)

[BC Hunt]

I don't hate money, money hates me!

Honestly, there's a lot of potential explanations (examples below but not just limited to these):

1. Inexperienced eBay seller who doesn't know how to navigate the platform and send messages

2. Has lots of active listings (not just on eBay) and forgot that you reached out about the card (or remembered someone reached out about the card but couldn't remember who it was)

3. Thought that you were trying to scam him off-eBay (for whatever reason) so didn't feel comfortable selling to you


1. I definitely sensed some inexperience, but seller has some ebay feedback already.

2. No other listings on ebay.

3. I can understand the hesitancy there to avoid a scam. But again, why not take my offer for more on ebay instead of selling the next day for less. my initial offer on ebay was before the twitter interaction.
Seller could have just said "I'd rather sell on the ebay platform for security, go make me an offer for $xyz on ebay and I'll accept".

[eastbayak]

1. I definitely sensed some inexperience, but seller has some ebay feedback already.

2. No other listings on ebay.

3. I can understand the hesitancy there to avoid a scam. But again, why not take my offer for more on ebay instead of selling the next day for less. my initial offer on ebay was before the twitter interaction.
Seller could have just said "I'd rather sell on the ebay platform for security, go make me an offer for $xyz on ebay and I'll accept".

Does the seller have a lot of feedback?

I know I've dealt with sellers who had triple-digit feedback scores and seemed to barely know how to navigate the platform.

[Rooftop]

maybe they just didn't like you

[Hockey1881]

Sellers can have valid reasons not to sell direct.

A year ago, I decided I wanted to bypass the Ebay fees and ended up selling two cards via Instagram for ~3500 each for a total of ~7K.

Researched the buyer, seemed legit and was.

He transferred me the $ through paypal (I paid a small fee to use Goods and Services, not Friends and Family to be safe) and I sent him the cards.

I cashed out the $ from paypal into my personal checking account.

Then a day later, paypal initiated a chargeback which removed the $ from my bank account and then froze the funds in my paypal account which they then locked and suspended.

I had to call paypal multiple times and on one occasion I actually conferenced in the buyer who was kind enough to try to help out to assure them these were legit transactions which he did.

The only information I got from them was that I could no longer use paypal and that my funds would be held frozen for 6 months, at which point I would receive an email from them with directions on how to get my 7500.

This was incredibly stressful and frustrating to say the least, and I enlisted the help of both my lawyer and banker to no real avail.

After about 6 months, I received an email from paypal stating I could now transfer my 7500 back into my bank account and I did so immediately.

Apparently, this has happened to other people and there was actually a class action law suit in the works against paypal that I could have but decided not to join.

I coudn’t use paypal now even if i wanted to, because my account has been locked and permanently suspended. And I promise you I would never have wanted to again anyway after this whole debacle.

I returned to Ebay and I just accept the fees as a cost of doing business.

I cannot, however, defend the actions of the seller in this case when he declined your offer and went on to accept something lower. That sounds a lot like inexperience and/or desperation to me.

Just letting people know that there are valid reasons why a seller might not want to sell direct or off Ebay.

[BC Hunt]

Does the seller have a lot of feedback?

I know I've dealt with sellers who had triple-digit feedback scores and seemed to barely know how to navigate the platform.


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more as buyer, but plenty as seller

[BC Hunt]

Sellers can have valid reasons not to sell direct.

A year ago, I decided I wanted to bypass the Ebay fees and ended up selling two cards via Instagram for ~3500 each for a total of ~7K.

Researched the buyer, seemed legit and was.

He transferred me the $ through paypal (I paid a small fee to use Goods and Services, not Friends and Family to be safe) and I sent him the cards.

I cashed out the $ from paypal into my personal checking account.

Then a day later, paypal initiated a chargeback which removed the $ from my bank account and then froze the funds in my paypal account which they then locked and suspended.

I had to call paypal multiple times and on one occasion I actually conferenced in the buyer who was kind enough to try to help out to assure them these were legit transactions which he did.

The only information I got from them was that I could no longer use paypal and that my funds would be held frozen for 6 months, at which point I would receive an email from them with directions on how to get my 7500.

This was incredibly stressful and frustrating to say the least, and I enlisted the help of both my lawyer and banker to no real avail.

After about 6 months, I received an email from paypal stating I could now transfer my 7500 back into my bank account and I did so immediately.

Apparently, this has happened to other people and there was actually a class action law suit in the works against paypal that I could have but decided not to join.

I coudn’t use paypal now even if i wanted to, because my account has been locked and permanently suspended. And I promise you I would never have wanted to again anyway after this whole debacle.

I returned to Ebay and I just accept the fees as a cost of doing business.

I cannot, however, defend the actions of the seller in this case when he declined your offer and went on to accept something lower. That sounds a lot like inexperience and/or desperation to me.

Just letting people know that there are valid reasons why a seller might not want to sell direct or off Ebay.

wow, thanks for sharing, what a hassle, sorry you dealt with that.

totally makes sense that some folks wouldn't want to try to make a deal "on the side" so I get it.

[eastbayak]

181

more as buyer, but plenty as seller

Yeah, that's not a lot of feedback when considering that most are associated with buying.

Another thing you could do is simply ask the seller why he didn't deal with you.

[MoreToppsPlease]

I know it’s impossible for most here to believe, but true hobbyists exist who don’t need or want cash.

For some, cards really are just a hobby.

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[BC Hunt]

Yeah, that's not a lot of feedback when considering that most are associated with buying.

Another thing you could do is simply ask the seller why he didn't deal with you.


I won't bother, I don't think it was personal. I just thought it was strange. Live and learn!

[BC Hunt]

I know it’s impossible for most here to believe, but true hobbyists exist who don’t need or want cash.

For some, cards really are just a hobby.

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Ok? haha

Are you suggesting that the seller is trying to sell cards for less money on purpose? Because "#thehobby"?

And seller (who doesn't want cash) is selling items on ebay, for cash?

[Nester99]

Prices go up and down, should be trending back up for baseball as we enter the season, sometimes i price for pre season in the off season so i dont forget to increase later with the market = D

Sorry you missed out !

[PDCCollectibles]

I know it’s impossible for most here to believe, but true hobbyists exist who don’t need or want cash.

For some, cards really are just a hobby.

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I feel you can be a true hobbyist and still sell cards.....I've seen a lot of phenomenal collections over the years that will never be sold. But those same people with collections still sell what they aren't 'attached' too. It's all a matter of how you look at it I guess....I figure, everyone can enjoy the hobby as they see fit....we all have a different definition of what brings them joy within this sportscard world.

[SupermanBrandon]

Ok? haha

Are you suggesting that the seller is trying to sell cards for less money on purpose? Because "#thehobby"?

And seller (who doesn't want cash) is selling items on ebay, for cash?

I feel you can be a true hobbyist and still sell cards.....I've seen a lot of phenomenal collections over the years that will never be sold. But those same people with collections still sell what they aren't 'attached' too. It's all a matter of how you look at it I guess....I figure, everyone can enjoy the hobby as they see fit....we all have a different definition of what brings them joy within this sportscard world.

MTP is a soap box guy that talks a big game but is thought to be one of the biggest flippers on Blowout. He also likes to leave negative feedback (after the fact) on eBay for shipping charges that he knew about, agreed to, and paid. His words are simply trolling. If he truly believed & followed what he types, he wouldn't be able to walk into a card show without screaming at every single dealer, seller or flipper in the room (all day).

[BC Hunt]

Prices go up and down, should be trending back up for baseball as we enter the season, sometimes i price for pre season in the off season so i dont forget to increase later with the market = D

Sorry you missed out !

Thanks! No worries, I ended up buying this card instead (pictured below), so I'm content ;)


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[JeffG1954]

In the past week I have had 2 buyers, one with 10,000+ feedback and the other with 12,000+, reach out to me and want to make an eBay purchase with cash and money order. I had to pass because I think it is against eBay rules to pass personal info thru their message boards, and I didn't want to take the chance on getting suspended. Is there a way to do cash/money order like in the old days?

[MoreToppsPlease]

MTP is a soap box guy that talks a big game but is thought to be one of the biggest flippers on Blowout. He also likes to leave negative feedback (after the fact) on eBay for shipping charges that he knew about, agreed to, and paid. His words are simply trolling. If he truly believed & followed what he types, he wouldn't be able to walk into a card show without screaming at every single dealer, seller or flipper in the room (all day).

Always so easily triggered, always so broke.

Where’s Khal, your better half? Not accustomed to seeing you post by yourself.

[SupermanBrandon]

Always so easily triggered, always so broke.

Where’s Khal, your better half? Not accustomed to seeing you post by yourself.

I get joy from pointing out how full of crap you actually are.

[MoreToppsPlease]

I feel you can be a true hobbyist and still sell cards.....I've seen a lot of phenomenal collections over the years that will never be sold. But those same people with collections still sell what they aren't 'attached' too. It's all a matter of how you look at it I guess....I figure, everyone can enjoy the hobby as they see fit....we all have a different definition of what brings them joy within this sportscard world.

Most of the time, when these these truly dedicated collectors must sell what they love because of some circumstance, they normally liquidate for a fraction of their collection’s worth. They’re more interested in others enjoying the cards. Pretty zen.

[KhalDrogo]

You rang?

If it's just a hobby, why not just give the card away?

[KhalDrogo]

Most of the time, when these these truly dedicated collectors must sell what they love because of some circumstance, they normally liquidate for a fraction of their collection’s worth. They’re more interested in others enjoying the cards. Pretty zen.
They must be poor. If they weren't, they'd just give the cards away for free. What losers.

[MoreToppsPlease]

I get joy from pointing out how full of crap you actually are.

I know you’re a sad individual. Learning to make better life choices and making peace with yourself is key, not trying to spend all your free time living off margin also helps.

[MoreToppsPlease]

They must be poor. If they weren't, they'd just give the cards away for free. What losers.

Anything given away for free has no value.

[Nester99]

Thanks! No worries, I ended up buying this card instead (pictured below), so I'm content ;)


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Talk about making Lemonade !! GREAT PICK UP !

[KhalDrogo]

Anything given away for free has no value.
Charitable donations have no value?

[BC Hunt]

Talk about making Lemonade !! GREAT PICK UP !


thank you kindly!


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[hammertime]

In the past week I have had 2 buyers, one with 10,000+ feedback and the other with 12,000+, reach out to me and want to make an eBay purchase with cash and money order. I had to pass because I think it is against eBay rules to pass personal info thru their message boards, and I didn't want to take the chance on getting suspended. Is there a way to do cash/money order like in the old days?

The best way is to coin your pics with your IG name, or somehow make it easy for people to find you outside of eBay.

[cardsin47]

Internet Sales are very Wild Wild West! There is often no logical reason for outcomes ….

[pewe]

Wander Franco Dugout Peeks RC

ebay offer $125 (declined)

twitter offer $140 (declined, seller would have netted $130 ish)

ebay sale $110 (best offer accepted a day later, seller nets what, $95 ish?)


I like that card! Amazing how much they’ve come down in price


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[pewe]

Thanks! No worries, I ended up buying this card instead (pictured below), so I'm content ;)


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This choice is awesome :flex:


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[cholodolo]

Wander Franco Dugout Peeks RC

ebay offer $125 (declined)

twitter offer $140 (declined, seller would have netted $130 ish)

ebay sale $110 (best offer accepted a day later, seller nets what, $95 ish?)

:doh:

Sorry man, very fair offers that 99% of the time would have ended with you as the new owner.

[YayNJ]

Same.

Ok so let's pretend the seller wants to keep everything on ebay for whatever reason, and there could be reasons that make sense to any given seller...ok cool.

BUT, why would you not take my offer on ebay, and then accept a lower offer on ebay?

The transaction made zero sense. Maybe the seller thought I was long gone and didn't want to come back to me and just took the next offer out of laziness/haste.

If everyone keeps dropping their prices chasing ever lower comps, everything ends up in the gutter.

Good on that chap to sticking to his guns. He had a value in mind and he's standing by it. If you want it, cough up the cash or wait X amount of time to see if you can find one cheaper.

[BC Hunt]

Internet Sales are very Wild Wild West! There is often no logical reason for outcomes ….

Best answer lol

I like that card! Amazing how much they’ve come down in price


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It’s ok I still have my 2019 Ohtani Peeks Rookie Cup!

This choice is awesome :flex:


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Thanks man!!

:doh:

Sorry man, very fair offers that 99% of the time would have ended with you as the new owner.

Thanks and I agree. On to the next.


If everyone keeps dropping their prices chasing ever lower comps, everything ends up in the gutter.

Good on that chap to sticking to his guns. He had a value in mind and he's standing by it. If you want it, cough up the cash or wait X amount of time to see if you can find one cheaper.

I hear what you’re saying. In my case my offer would have kept comps higher than what it sold for lol

[cholodolo]

If everyone keeps dropping their prices chasing ever lower comps, everything ends up in the gutter.

Good on that chap to sticking to his guns. He had a value in mind and he's standing by it. If you want it, cough up the cash or wait X amount of time to see if you can find one cheaper.

You do know that OP offered more than it sold for, twice, right?

[Archangel1775]

Same.

Ok so let's pretend the seller wants to keep everything on ebay for whatever reason, and there could be reasons that make sense to any given seller...ok cool.

BUT, why would you not take my offer on ebay, and then accept a lower offer on ebay?

The transaction made zero sense. Maybe the seller thought I was long gone and didn't want to come back to me and just took the next offer out of laziness/haste.

Depends on what it is. Either way, if he bought the card for $200 and he doesn't need liquidate it, he can hold if he believes it'll get back up there. Trey Lance is a good example. Started high, now low but will likely start for the Niners this coming season.