2022 Contenders FOTL

[brothertona]

No thread but started one - chances that Contenders FOTL hits the floor at $300 (which would be a not terrible price honestly)

[Bob Ross]

It's that time again kiddos

[oldgoldy97]

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[JeremyNick]

It's that time again kiddos

Waiting for your prediction Floorstradamus.

[Bob Ross]

Waiting for your prediction Floorstradamus.

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[wilsonsingles]

this could actually be a good product if they didn't do the stupid non numbered red zone auto parallels. serial number these to under 25 and it would be awesome.

my prediction $360-$370 (wherever the exact drop is)

[epatmythes]

Hobby pre-sale was $450...

This should sell-out (umm, get pulled) between $464 and $473

[Asian62150]

One of the main guys to chase after was literally the last pick of the draft. And he's out for at least 6 months and might not start when he returns.

Long term maybe someone emerges but short term, this isn't desirable, esp. at these price points.

[epatmythes]

Oops, I see hobby pre-sale is now $425... interesting...

but I'll still stick with $464-473 :)

[wilsonsingles]

Oops, I see hobby pre-sale is now $425... interesting...

but I'll still stick with $464-473 :)

hardly any difference between FOTL and regular Hobby, just really one non auto /20..

[epatmythes]

hardly any difference between FOTL and regular Hobby, just really one non auto /20..

Just the Red Zone. No argument from me, both are over-priced.

I had to do that math...

$466.67

Breakers need their crack to peddle, and the collusion will make it so!

Just guessing of course (would love to see it hit the floor and sit) :)

[Bob Ross]

I suspect the fix will be in at exactly $424.98

[Asian62150]

Just the Red Zone. No argument from me, both are over-priced.

I had to do that math...

$466.67

Breakers need their crack to peddle, and the collusion will make it so!

Just guessing of course (would love to see it hit the floor and sit) :)

There's hope. Prizm hobby has been sitting there for awhile

[phil]

I suspect the fix will be in at exactly $424.98



off by 2 cents :D

[Bob Ross]

off by 2 cents :D

It's been a long day of painting. I'm slipping.

[phil]

$383.33 for at least a few seconds. Tried to buy there and missed.

[Tonic3]

Sold out $383.33

[Bob Ross]

$183.33 too much.

[epatmythes]

So I'm guessing Panini will put hobby out at $350 now???

With the big 3 charging $425-450???

I love this!!!

[mossoholic]

These products are being priced presale at prices no one will pay to prop up FOTL to "sell out" higher than it should virtually every time. If Contenders was priced at $300, FOTL sells out at $300.

2022 Limited Football presale is $350. Who would possibly pay that right now? They probably have not sold a single box at that price. But they have no incentive whatsoever to sell it. Their cost is $117 a box. There are several recent 2021 Limited hobby box sales on ebay between $250-$300. One less than 2 weeks ago for $250. It's $300 on dealernet. 2021 Limited FOTL is so in demand not a single box sold the last 3 months on ebay. Why would anyone pay more money for 2022?

[epatmythes]

These products are being priced presale at prices no one will pay to prop up FOTL to "sell out" higher than it should virtually every time. If Contenders was priced at $300, FOTL sells out at $300.

2022 Limited Football presale is $350. Who would possibly pay that right now? They probably have not sold a single box at that price. But they have no incentive whatsoever to sell it. Their cost is $117 a box. There are several recent 2021 Limited hobby box sales on ebay between $250-$300. One less than 2 weeks ago for $250. It's $300 on dealernet. 2021 Limited FOTL is so in demand not a single box sold the last 3 months on ebay. Why would anyone pay more money for 2022?

Contenders IS priced at $425-450, FOTL DID sell out at $383...

My head (and wallet) has been out of the wax game since 2019... but my heart wants to believe that the chinks in the armor are starting to break through and the racket is almost up.

Still gonna be awhile, but today was nice to see!

[mossoholic]

Contenders IS priced at $425-450, FOTL DID sell out at $383...

My head (and wallet) has been out of the wax game since 2019... but my heart wants to believe that the chinks in the armor are starting to break through and the racket is almost up.

Still gonna be awhile, but today was nice to see!

No it's just how overpriced Contenders hobby was. Same with Obsidian. Prizm FOTL still sold out above hobby presale. If prices for 2022 are where they should be compared to 2021, FOTL will sell out the same or higher. Prizm was priced well below what 2021 was selling at. With as high of a FOTL count as any FOTL product Prizm sold above presale. Presale on Obsidian, Contenders, and Limited all above where 2021 is selling. The 2 of the 3 that have been auctioned sold out multiple drops below. If you check market value for products that have been out for awhile 2021 is outselling 2022 on everything.

Nothing 2022 should have a presale price at or above 2021. Yet they are pricing it that way. Bums have no incentive to sell. Whether you like it or not, Prizm is one of the hottest products of the year. 2022 Prizm hobby is selling for 60% of what 2021 is selling for. Why would anyone pay at or above 2021 price for the 2022 version of any hobby product? Im talking breakers as well. Wouldn't you get more interest in breaking at the same or lower cost the same 2021 product as 2022?

The worst thing that happened for buyers of 2022 football wax was Brock Purdy. Bums are pricing all new 2022 with the assumption Purdy is in every product when he hasn't been in a bunch of them. If you want hobby or FOTL at release you have to buy it with no clue what the checklist will be.

[majestik101]

I remember when a box of Contenders could be had for $175

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[Bob Ross]

I forget, but isn't 2021 NON-Optic Contenders the product that the one doofus got caught trimming and submitting to PSA for mostly 10's?

[roberth404]

I forget, but isn't 2021 NON-Optic Contenders the product that the one doofus got caught trimming and submitting to PSA for mostly 10's?

Yes! kongscards53 - still in business!!

[JeremyNick]

I forget, but isn't 2021 NON-Optic Contenders the product that the one doofus got caught trimming and submitting to PSA for mostly 10's?

He wasn’t trimming.

He was simply doing post production QC work for Panini.

[ThatGuyPal]

It's a sad state of the hobby that people are focused more on being right about when the "fix is in" then showing any type of happiness that it actually got lower than most predicted.

Anyway in for 12 cases

[49erRCCollector]

It's a sad state of the hobby that people are focused more on being right about when the "fix is in" then showing any type of happiness that it actually got lower than most predicted.

Anyway in for 12 cases

Yeah, I don’t know about that.

[Allamericancard]

fotl contenders is arguably one of the WORST fotls out there imo. the red zone parallels get 0 love....at least make them #d to something panini! it's been proven time and time again unnumbered sp parallels don't do nearly as well as a #d parallel even double that unnumbered sp

[Peachcardsatl]

fotl contenders is arguably one of the WORST fotls out there imo. the red zone parallels get 0 love....at least make them #d to something panini! it's been proven time and time again unnumbered sp parallels don't do nearly as well as a #d parallel even double that unnumbered sp

I disagree. Look at the prices of some of the top quarterbacks of prior years of the fotl red zone cards versus the non-fotl autos and there is a big price difference

[Bob Ross]

Yes! kongscards53 - still in business!!

He wasn’t trimming.

He was simply doing post production QC work for Panini.

So we can expect the same for this year as well. Looking forward to what this kong person has up his sleeve.

[Allamericancard]

I disagree. Look at the prices of some of the top quarterbacks of prior years of the fotl red zone cards versus the non-fotl autos and there is a big price difference

compare the red zone parallels to the cracked ice.....

[majestik101]

So we can expect the same for this year as well. Looking forward to what this kong person has up his sleeve.

You think he wears sleeved shirts? Nah, I picture him in a wife beater, AND1 basketball shorts, backwards Cowboys lid, socks and slides

[gorillaz]

Checklist is out

[oldgoldy97]

Regular is out. Does anyone care?

Used to be one of the top releases each year.

[Zauron]

Regular is out. Does anyone care?

Used to be one of the top releases each year.

Not when stuff is overpriced still.

I wonder how much product is just sitting for Panini and these retailers? I can't imagine a lot of people looking to buy any 2022 product at these prices.

[oldgoldy97]

Not when stuff is overpriced still.

I wonder how much product is just sitting for Panini and these retailers? I can't imagine a lot of people looking to buy any 2022 product at these prices.

I’m not. Maybe a pack or blaster of Prizm for nostalgia. The rest of 2022 can fester in warehouses.

[MD202041]

I like the “design” of this set a bit more this year than recent past. But damn there’s NO WAY this should be priced anywhere NEAR $350-$400 per box. That’s a shame. Even with a weak draft class I’d be in for at least a few boxes at $200 but I don’t think these boxes ever get to that price.

Breaking is to blame. Otherwise there’s a chance this would be priced closer to $200 or even $150 (where it really should be IMO).

[gorillaz]

Design is good. Overprinted. Saw Layton open 3 cases without a Purdy, Pickett, Ridder, or even Malik Willis.

[mwash1983]

Opened box and hit a showtime auto of Hall, how rare are these?

[cowboyzqna]

This is a $180 product.