Good job, PSA

[fabiani12333]

They graded an uncut 2006 Allen Iverson Jambalaya card as the regular version:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325591613988

And they gave it a PSA 10 grade -- double good job.

And it's a pop of 2, meaning they just undercut the owner of the only true PSA 10 -- triple good job.

And the owner of the one true PSA 10 is in fact me -- quadruple good job.

Lol Nat Turner

[Archangel1775]

They need someone in research but at least it's clear as day that it's not the pack pulled one. Just send him a message and the cert number will get pulled.

I know for me, that's been in the hobby for decades, it gets harder as time goes on for non-serial numbered parallels of any 90s or modern set. Pacific Gold/Platinum foil parallels from the 90s and even today's blaster box exclusives gets confusing.

[3124508 on COMC]

PSA does stuff like this ALL the time (giving grades to backdoored, bankruptcy, sheet cut, or otherwise unfinished cards) but I’m not sure if anything tops grading an uncut Jambalaya.

[6celtics33]

But is that rattley thin plastic still worth 3-4-10x any other company still bros? I can still invest right?

[S1mpd1ddy]

But is that rattley thin plastic still worth 3-4-10x any other company still bros? I can still invest right?


Lol this guy gets it.

[GOATcards]

But is that rattley thin plastic still worth 3-4-10x any other company still bros? I can still invest right?We know it's you under an alt account Nat. So what changed all of a sudden to make Star product authenticatable? Also why is non-84 Star currently not authenticatable. Last time we asked you, you ghosted the forum

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[6celtics33]

We know it's you under an alt account Nat. So what changed all of a sudden to make Star product authenticatable? Also why is non-84 Star currently not authenticatable. Last time we asked you, you ghosted the forum

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They did decide to grade the rest of star recently actually. Except the ones on the type 2 sheet, best of the best, and magic set I think. Apparently their expertise doesn’t reach the level of telling the difference in an original 85-86 vs a type 2. You can literally do it on a computer in 5 seconds. Much easier in person. Easier still when you have one of each to compare.

[fabiani12333]

The seller also has an uncut Julius Erving 2006 Jambalaya PSA 9 for sale.

These cards really shouldn't pass eBay authentication, but I'm sure they would considering PSA does the authenticating.

[hermanotarjeta]

And there are uncut sheets of 90’s fleer inserts up for auction on goldin - I wonder where those are going to end up?!?!

[Beavers98]

But But it's PSA...HAHA

[ninjabum87]

But is that rattley thin plastic still worth 3-4-10x any other company still bros? I can still invest right?

It's a real shame how much of a grip they have on the hobby. A ton of people don't give raw cards the time of day (unless they're seeking to do the raw to PSA flip n dip).

[eastbayak]

But is that rattley thin plastic still worth 3-4-10x any other company still bros? I can still invest right?

PC cards => BGS
Flip cards => PSA

[GOATcards]

It's a real shame how much of a grip they have on the hobby. A ton of people don't give raw cards the time of day (unless they're seeking to do the raw to PSA flip n dip).I just got a bunch of aesthetically best MJ cards raw for a few bucks each, it's about the aesthetics ffs. I did splurge a little for the 95 Flair MJ in a slab, it seemed worth the crisp presentation in that instance. Maybe I'll upgrade to slabbed for a few of the others at the right price. Lesson: do it only if it helps the presentation or if you do mind shelling out over $X for ungraded which I do mind.

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[GOATcards]

PC cards => BGS

Flip cards => PSAYou like the bgs slabz that much huh

SGC slabz and pricez are nice. I kinda got into the habit of buying PSA for stackibility reasonz and availability

Edit: not all PSA for my vaulted Roster of Legendz though, see middle sig link of course

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[eastbayak]

You like the bgs slabz that much huh

SGC slabz and pricez are nice. I kinda got into the habit of buying PSA for stackibility reasonz and availability

Edit: not all PSA for my vaulted Roster of Legendz though, see middle sig link of course

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I do own a few PSA slabs, both for PC and future flip cards.

However, when it comes to PC cards, I prefer BGS because the slab is better (stronger) and they're a fraction of the cost for the same card in the same condition.

I own one SGC slab. They're not bad either but I prefer one of the two (BGS/PSA) brand names.

CSG doesn't seem bad (for TCG) but HGA/TGA are junk grading companies as many already understand.

[mc1]

They need someone in research but at least it's clear as day that it's not the pack pulled one. Just send him a message and the cert number will get pulled.


Everyone in their Research and ID department is useless. Id list names but Im not even sure they work there anymore.:coffee:

[YayNJ]

It amazes me that PSA are still held up as the "premier" grading company.

more Poochi than Gucci these days.

[boxbuster7]

quintuple good job OP

[90skid]

I tweeted @ nat let's see what happens....

[90skid]

Your welcome...

https://i.imgur.com/F7LKJ17.png

[hxcmilkshake]

What the F is that abomination

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[boxbuster7]

Your welcome...

https://i.imgur.com/F7LKJ17.png

you're...but nice!

[DragonWagon]

They graded an uncut 2006 Allen Iverson Jambalaya card as the regular version:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325591613988

And they gave it a PSA 10 grade -- double good job.

And it's a pop of 2, meaning they just undercut the owner of the only true PSA 10 -- triple good job.

And the owner of the one true PSA 10 is in fact me -- quadruple good job.

Lol Nat Turner

Added to the Altered Card Database https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database
PSA 10 cert# 69301389
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsUTdSPWwAAnYpQ?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsUTde1XoAMYnyd?format=jpg&name=large

[DragonWagon]

Looks like PSA repeated the mistake on the very next card.
credit: auburn35 https://twitter.com/35auburn/status/1640739045734006785
eBay https://www.ebay.com/itm/325591622698?hash=item4bcec5e42a:g:O6EAAOSwCOJkIiIf&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA0Fov2983f54C6npe6Dt6cwQpC3bfT3jAPamWF%2FL%2B3lpK3G8YN990RQRUzKlqWuZY3%2BPf9s0dDq69T8TFzNR5rucRkH8W2goxlz3%2Fq%2BOUAKc2X1vLL0rT79uh83CPS1kCp9ADshHYwsSY3pu5P5y4HTysodju%2Bod0utnyGMNMeZcRJ3Ce5%2FT2V3QBUc85kM0wAb8GzDw2k0sYGf%2Fs%2FACy83kwCq%2Fu7nMrPWkhei73leJsPtcrpVXd%2FgMUxgJS42g1WwV4aKxBQRfRlMvxPd49%2FAM%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-rGo63lYQ
2006 Julius Erving J-JE Fleer E-X - Jambalaya PSA 9 69301390
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsUTdsVWAAc-fu3?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsUTd31XgAEhOvb?format=jpg&name=medium

[fabiani12333]

Looks like PSA repeated the mistake on the very next card.
credit: auburn35 https://twitter.com/35auburn/status/1640739045734006785
eBay https://www.ebay.com/itm/325591622698?hash=item4bcec5e42a:g:O6EAAOSwCOJkIiIf&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA0Fov2983f54C6npe6Dt6cwQpC3bfT3jAPamWF%2FL%2B3lpK3G8YN990RQRUzKlqWuZY3%2BPf9s0dDq69T8TFzNR5rucRkH8W2goxlz3%2Fq%2BOUAKc2X1vLL0rT79uh83CPS1kCp9ADshHYwsSY3pu5P5y4HTysodju%2Bod0utnyGMNMeZcRJ3Ce5%2FT2V3QBUc85kM0wAb8GzDw2k0sYGf%2Fs%2FACy83kwCq%2Fu7nMrPWkhei73leJsPtcrpVXd%2FgMUxgJS42g1WwV4aKxBQRfRlMvxPd49%2FAM%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-rGo63lYQ
2006 Julius Erving J-JE Fleer E-X - Jambalaya PSA 9 69301390
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsUTdsVWAAc-fu3?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsUTd31XgAEhOvb?format=jpg&name=medium

I believe there were a bunch of sheet cut 2006 Jambalaya cards sold through Probstein last year, including the Iverson. Someone had posted about the Tim Duncan card. It was controversial because Probstein didn't mention they were sheet cut in the listings. Even still, I think the cards successfully passed eBay authentication, which shouldn't happen because the listing photos didn't match the descriptions.

[fabiani12333]

Your welcome...

https://i.imgur.com/F7LKJ17.png

Thanks, but I didn't really want to notify PSA. I have many PSA-graded cards in my collection, but I also realize PSA is not a trustworthy grader. Notifying them about their mistakes -- perhaps even corrupt behavior in their company -- just allows them to cover up the systemic problems they've had.

[no10pin]

Thanks, but I didn't really want to notify PSA. I have many PSA-graded cards in my collection, but I also realize PSA is not a trustworthy grader. Notifying them about their mistakes -- perhaps even corrupt behavior in their company -- just allows them to cover up the systemic problems they've had.

So you didn't want the situation to be fixed?

[pokemaniac]

Thanks, but I didn't really want to notify PSA. I have many PSA-graded cards in my collection, but I also realize PSA is not a trustworthy grader. Notifying them about their mistakes -- perhaps even corrupt behavior in their company -- just allows them to cover up the systemic problems they've had.

:cry:? This is the dumbest thing I've heard, especially after you had a justifiable reason to be frustrated.

[fabiani12333]

So you didn't want the situation to be fixed?

Not really, no.

Does it need to be "fixed"? I was just letting others on this board know about it. I was little annoyed about it and felt compelled to post about it.

[fabiani12333]

:cry:? This is the dumbest thing I've heard, especially after you had a justifiable reason to be frustrated.

Why? I don't care about what PSA does. I care about my collection. If PSA wants to make mistakes and damage their brand, it doesn't have to affect me personally.

[fabiani12333]

The bigger issue for me is eBay Authentication passing blatantly sheet cut cards that weren't described as such in the listing.

PSA making mistakes, or being inept -- or even corrupt -- is to be expected, considering how many cards they reportedly grade and their sordid history.

[no10pin]

Not really, no.

Does it need to be "fixed"? I was just letting others on this board know about it. I was little annoyed about it and felt compelled to post about it.

Yes, if it's not correct, it needs to be fixed. Leaving it wrong doesn't benefit anyone.

The bigger issue for me is eBay Authentication passing blatantly sheet cut cards that weren't described as such in the listing.

PSA making mistakes, or being inept -- or even corrupt -- is to be expected, considering how many cards they reportedly grade and their sordid history.

I know eBay partners with both CSG and PSA for the authentication program, so it could just mean that PSA missed it twice.

[fabiani12333]

Yes, if it's not correct, it needs to be fixed. Leaving it wrong doesn't benefit anyone.



I know eBay partners with both CSG and PSA for the authentication program, so it could just mean that PSA missed it twice.

Something that is wrong doesn't have to be an actual problem. It's a relatively minor issue that doesn't have a significant impact in the grand scheme of things. The main issue is PSA's incompetence and corruption -- those are systemic issues that will continue to erode consumer confidence in their slabs over time.

CSG authenticates raw cards for eBay -- PSA authenticates slabs.

[auburn35]

Something that is wrong doesn't have to be an actual problem. It's a relatively minor issue that doesn't have a significant impact in the grand scheme of things. The main issue is PSA's incompetence and corruption -- those are systemic issues that will continue to erode consumer confidence in their slabs over time.

CSG authenticates raw cards for eBay -- PSA authenticates slabs.

If your focus was highlighting PSA's incompetence and corruption, allowing them the opportunity to correct/ignore the issue, only adds to your goal.

Assuming the cards are deactivated/recalled, PSA still looks incompetent and a potentially uninformed buyer, avoids the headache of dealing with the eBay authenticity program or PSA "guarentee".

The corruption would be highlighted, should PSA choose to ignore (often the case) the documented evidence, presented to them for review.

[fabiani12333]

If your focus was highlighting PSA's incompetence and corruption, allowing them the opportunity to correct/ignore the issue, only adds to your goal.

Assuming the cards are deactivated/recalled, PSA still looks incompetent and a potentially uninformed buyer, avoids the headache of dealing with the eBay authenticity program or PSA "guarentee".

The corruption would be highlighted, should PSA choose to ignore (often the case) the documented evidence, presented to them for review.

I don't want someone to buy this card thinking it's authenticate, so I guess it would be a good thing if it gets recalled. Will Nat Turner actually do anything, is the question.

PSA provides slab authentication services for eBay. They only verify that slabs are authentic and not tampered with. Cards are not authenticated by them. They'll surely pass this card if it ends up going through the authentication program.

[pokemaniac]

Why? I don't care about what PSA does. I care about my collection. If PSA wants to make mistakes and damage their brand, it doesn't have to affect me personally.

You complained in the first post about the pop report being incorrect, thus undercutting the value/rarity of your card. Now you're saying you don't care what psa does. Why make the post then?

edit: a word

[fabiani12333]

You complained in the first post about the pop report being incorrect, thus undercutting the value/rarity of your card. Now you're saying you don't care what psa does. Why make the post then?

edit: a word

I cared enough to post about it and let the forum know. I didn't care enough to contact PSA about it. It's a drop in the bucket in terms of how many cards they improperly grade.

But now I guess I do care if someone buys it thinking it's authentic. So my mistake.

[GOATcards]

They did decide to grade the rest of star recently actually. Except the ones on the type 2 sheet, best of the best, and magic set I think. Apparently their expertise doesn’t reach the level of telling the difference in an original 85-86 vs a type 2. You can literally do it on a computer in 5 seconds. Much easier in person. Easier still when you have one of each to compare.

i'm just glad that at least some of the star cards became authenticatable in the last year or so all of a sudden, before that they were suspect

[GOATcards]

where's abra

[90skid]

"The certification number provided, #69301389, was intentionally DEACTIVATED in the PSA database." Twitter Nat works quick. OP, you are back to your Pop 1 throne.

[Kobefan]

Something that is wrong doesn't have to be an actual problem. It's a relatively minor issue that doesn't have a significant impact in the grand scheme of things. The main issue is PSA's incompetence and corruption -- those are systemic issues that will continue to erode consumer confidence in their slabs over time.

CSG authenticates raw cards for eBay -- PSA authenticates slabs.

It's not like the other grading companies are doing any better. I don't mind folks pointing out a specific company for their insufficiencies, but I hope you are aware that other grading companies are as bad or even worse. Maybe choosing not to grade your cards is your path forward.

[pokemaniac]

"The certification number provided, #69301389, was intentionally DEACTIVATED in the PSA database." Twitter Nat works quick. OP, you are back to your Pop 1 throne.

But he doesn't care.

[auburn35]

"The certification number provided, #69301389, was intentionally DEACTIVATED in the PSA database." Twitter Nat works quick. OP, you are back to your Pop 1 throne.

Nice to see one of the two deactivated.

Humorously, PSA twitter reached out this morning thinking I was the submitter. Hopefully they have the ebay sellers info (submitter) and can get the cards removed.

[gowizards0]

Yep these sold back in August, ungraded

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1528748

[mc1]

Nice to see one of the two deactivated.

Humorously, PSA twitter reached out this morning thinking I was the submitter. Hopefully they have the ebay sellers info (submitter) and can get the cards removed.

:doh:

They should ban the submitter. We know they probably wont.

[TimBuckTwo]

Let BGS be your guide.

[GOATcards]

Let BGS be your guide.

achilles heel has to be the hazy inner sleeve

and giving 7 or higher on busted up corners

[boxbuster7]

Let hga be your guide.

ftfy :)!

[fabiani12333]

"The certification number provided, #69301389, was intentionally DEACTIVATED in the PSA database." Twitter Nat works quick. OP, you are back to your Pop 1 throne.

But he doesn't care.

Nice to see one of the two deactivated.

Humorously, PSA twitter reached out this morning thinking I was the submitter. Hopefully they have the ebay sellers info (submitter) and can get the cards removed.

It's good too see. I do care whether or not someone pays for something that is not authentic or misrepresented. PSA did the right thing. The seller can now send their card back to PSA to get a new certification with a proper description.

[auburn35]

Erving was also just recently deactivated. Now we wait for eBay/seller to make their move.
https://www.psacard.com/cert/69301390

[auburn35]

Let BGS be your guide.

Probably from the same sheet(s) that Probstein123 unleashed on the market and PSA missed.
Don't agree with the policy to grade sheet cut cards but at least BGS noted the Lebron is missing the die-cut.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/K9wAAOSwjD9j7oZv/s-l500.jpghttps://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/f50AAOSwsJdj7oZ1/s-l500.jpg

[duron]

achilles heel has to be the hazy inner sleeve

and giving 7 or higher on busted up corners

I always assumed it was from the slabs themselves, but you could be right. Maybe a combination of both.

Prefer raw over anything else but if they ever fix the clarity issue, it’s a no brainer which slab would look best. If we’re talking strictly labels, can’t believe people prefer psa over bgs.

Muh uniformity

[vthobby]

They need someone in research but at least it's clear as day that it's not the pack pulled one. Just send him a message and the cert number will get pulled.

I know for me, that's been in the hobby for decades, it gets harder as time goes on for non-serial numbered parallels of any 90s or modern set. Pacific Gold/Platinum foil parallels from the 90s and even today's blaster box exclusives gets confusing.

Research? Hahahahhaha, the only research is being done at SGC. The REAL TPG.

Sorry about the PSA 10 , that sucks!

:doh:

[Kobefan]

Research? Hahahahhaha, the only research is being done at SGC. The REAL TPG.

Sorry about the PSA 10 , that sucks!

:doh:

No, they make mistakes in counterfeit 90s cards as well. There are no perfect grading company.

[Beavers98]

Probably from the same sheet(s) that Probstein123 unleashed on the market and PSA missed.
Don't agree with the policy to grade sheet cut cards but at least BGS noted the Lebron is missing the die-cut.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/K9wAAOSwjD9j7oZv/s-l500.jpghttps://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/f50AAOSwsJdj7oZ1/s-l500.jpg

Yeah if they're labeled as such, or labeled better I have no problem with it, I mean they're still collectible. Just at a fraction of the cost of non-sheet cut.

[GOATcards]

No, they make mistakes in counterfeit 90s cards as well. There are no perfect grading company.

bgs was grading fake 80s Star before PSA made them real

[Kobefan]

bgs was grading fake 80s Star before PSA made them real

I don't understand your point. I'm saying all grading companies occasionally screw up.

[mc1]

I don't understand your point. I'm saying all grading companies occasionally screw up.

Tongue in cheek comment, I hope.;)