Art of the Deal: Youtube influencers setting unrealistic expectations for the hobby

[oplum29]

i know there's a thread about Geoff Wilson and Sports Card Investor, but i wanted to talk about this in a different point of view and ask about influencers in general.

there's an up-and-coming youtuber named Justin Gamble Gamble. his videos are different, but they are a good watch.

he just hit over 4K followers, so he's streaming upwards.

i was watching one of his videos where he goes to a shop in Vegas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU2oqF2Pg1w) called Paradise Cards or something like that, and he's making a deal for two cards: a Tatum Draft Day autograph and a Kyler Murray Prizm PSA 10 rookie.

total for the cards is $590 (shop wanted $650 for the Tatum, but comps brought it down to around $555. they wanted $42 for the Murray, comps brought it to $35, so total is $590.)

owner wants $600 for the Tatum, so now Justin offers $575, so the total is now at $610. Justin offers him something like 75% of the value, they settle on $460.

are you kidding me???? $460 for the lot, when the shop owner wanted $650 for the Tatum alone?

how? is this just for show on youtube or what's going on? i know some of the shops that i go to would never go that low. if they are asking for $650, best they'll do is maybe....$575. but $460 for the Tatum and the Kyler PSA 10?

i like youtube videos like this, they are fun to watch. kinda like what you watch on CNBC to watch the market, but at the same time, these videos to me are really setting a very unrealistic expectation about how the market works.

not everybody walks into a show with $20K for example, like CardCollector2 does. or just casually overpays for an Ohtani autographed rookie 9.5 like Geoff did (thinking he'd crossover the card because of Beckett's supposed new grading system, which was an April Fool's joke), or even has the cash to be buying $500 worth of singles like that.

i saw a video on the SCI thread about the kid who spent $36K on a Lebron James PSA 10 rookie....that is now valued at $7K....he admits he had only been into sports cards for about a year.

although these videos do help bring in "new money" to the hobby, to me they are also in a weird way ruining everything that most of us loved about the hobby.

most of us loved the respect cards finally got during the pandemic, it was awesome to see the prices blowup like that. we also knew it was a massive bubble, so those that sold, good for you.

but seeing these youtubers, does anybody else feel that way? i still can't get over some of the deals these dudes make, both good and bad.

where do they come up with the 75% to 80% of eBay fees? if i'm asking $500 for a Tatum card, i'm going with with comps tell me. if comps are $550, then i want roughly around there. i'm not going 80% of what eBay sales for, that's crazy. or is that just me, and those videos are legit and so are the deals?

[chris_ac]

Disclaimer: I'm just observing from afar, never traversing anywhere in person anymore for sports cards unfortunately so, just an isolated opinion...

I would say 1st, that nearly all videos should be nearly presumed staged unless you have multiple ways to ascertain otherwise. Zillions of videos on the interwebs from sports card transactions/trades to the pet tricks to a little kid who is perceived super smart before they can actually form a sentence. These card videos should be assumed a portrayal of said "dealing." Difference between real testimonials or "by a paid actor" kind of contrast.

As for the stickler move about pricing with the dangle of ebay fees like someone is doing you a favor, I would echo somewhere in your OP that sticking to the price or lowering to your willingness without regards to the fees/taxes etc being deducted. The "no fees here" dealing I keep hearing (heck people send messages on ebay starting with this) is irrelevant unless your accounting requires this nitty gritty for a business store mentality. Fees and shipping costs is just the price of doing biz so telling me without it, I can lower my price by a lot, is not really a thing imho. I will lower my price when I decide to come down, quickly or slow. Again, if a hobby, the discretion to lower excluding the fees/costs etc is what the point is when selling. The cost of the card itself and that's what matters in other words. An ebay fee doesn't move regardless. If you can handle the take home value whether ebay or in-person, it's perception at best. If a biz, then perception usually is meant to tell others you don't give things away or but also find ways to benefit customers without sacrificing revenue/profit.

Internet videos that prop up something more, well, that's should be treated as a show. Like watching a movie even inspired by a true story and telling yourself afterwards, "Yep, that's how it happened."

[GeechQuest]

I’d take 30% off of a likely washed eBay comp for cash any day of the week. Don’t @ me IRS bros.

Dude basically got $500 for an Absolute, Draft Suit, Black Pen auto? Sign me up. I’d sell for less.

[Brobocop]

Packman occasionally posts about how he got some crazy good trades done on Arena Club. I mean, lopsided 80-20. Clearly a shill for the platform and it drives me crazy because it gives the appearance that anyone can score lopsided trades like he does.

[discodanman45]

YouTubers are creating great opportunities in this hobby. New pumpers into vintage are pumping low-graded, great "eye-appeal" cards. I now am looking for collector grade vintage because everyone is ignoring those. I listen to these influencers to change my collecting habits.

[oplum29]

I’d take 30% off of a likely washed eBay comp for cash any day of the week. Don’t @ me IRS bros.

Dude basically got $500 for an Absolute, Draft Suit, Black Pen auto? Sign me up. I’d sell for less.

on-card autograph #'d to 25.

comp sales were $550, he sold it for $460 along with the Kyler Murray PSA 10 rookie. the last sale was in December, the video was posted 11 days ago.

[mc1]

not everybody walks into a show with $20K for example, like CardCollector2 does. or just casually overpays for an Ohtani autographed rookie 9.5 like Geoff did (thinking he'd crossover the card because of Beckett's supposed new grading system, which was an April Fool's joke), or even has the cash to be buying $500 worth of singles like that.

:confused:

It wasnt a joke, they really are that clueless and incompetent.

[rifleman69]

The Art of the Shill. Smart move by the shop owner who probably recouped the "lost" price on the Tatum.

It's all for show.

[GeechQuest]

on-card autograph #'d to 25.

comp sales were $550, he sold it for $460 along with the Kyler Murray PSA 10 rookie. the last sale was in December, the video was posted 11 days ago.

Ebay takes 10%ish, now he’s clearing $495. Tax implications vs cash is another 20-30%, so he’s now clearing $350-400.

No clue on the Kyler price, but again, same story.

The dude who bought it can try and get the extra juice out of it I guess, but time commitment and marketplace to maximize the dollar will probably net him a loss.

[mindcycle]

If I learned anything from the pumpdemic, when the influencers say buy, you sell.

[NotOriginal]

460 on an eBay comp of 550 is not bad; just fees and shipping alone get you into the 480 range

[PSA2Pac]

You’re overthinking this/thinking everybody subscribes to the exact same position on every card sale. You said taking 80% of eBay prices is “crazy” but eBay prices are merely one source of comps. Yes, they’re the best/easiest to look to but it’s merely a figure to work off of. It’s not the definitive gospel. Not to mention, you can look up one cards previous three sales and they’re often three different prices, sometimes ranging quite a bit even.

Every card sale is different, there is a lot of factors that go into what somebody is willing to sell a card for. Go on eBay and you will see plenty of sellers with cards so high they’ve been sitting on listings for months.

When I sell a card I’m looking to sell the card and it’s priced accordingly.


I’d take 30% off of a likely washed eBay comp for cash any day of the week. Don’t @ me IRS bros.

Dude basically got $500 for an Absolute, Draft Suit, Black Pen auto? Sign me up. I’d sell for less.

460 on an eBay comp of 550 is not bad; just fees and shipping alone get you into the 480 range


Exactly. It’s simple.

[oplum29]

here's what i don't understand i guess.

i've seen videos where say they have a card they want $100 for. youtuber comps the prices, they are going for $75. so instead of offering $75, which is in line with comps, they offer 75-80% of the $75, so now it's $60.

what i guess is bugging me is that comps are $75 in this hypothetical, yet you are selling it for $60, so it's well below comp prices.

it kind of reminds me when shop dealers used to pay 75% of the low beckett prices...i always felt dirty after dealing with them, which is why i stopped. i'd rather keep my card and trade it at a show instead.

i saw another video with an Anthony Edwards autographed card that is selling for $300. youtuber got it for $225, (75% off the comp prices). i don't get that. if it's comping at $300, then why not at the low, sell it for $275 instead of $225?

[imbluestreak23]

here's what i don't understand i guess.

i've seen videos where say they have a card they want $100 for. youtuber comps the prices, they are going for $75. so instead of offering $75, which is in line with comps, they offer 75-80% of the $75, so now it's $60.

what i guess is bugging me is that comps are $75 in this hypothetical, yet you are selling it for $60, so it's well below comp prices.

it kind of reminds me when shop dealers used to pay 75% of the low beckett prices...i always felt dirty after dealing with them, which is why i stopped. i'd rather keep my card and trade it at a show instead.

i saw another video with an Anthony Edwards autographed card that is selling for $300. youtuber got it for $225, (75% off the comp prices). i don't get that. if it's comping at $300, then why not at the low, sell it for $275 instead of $225?

The prevalence of this is quite annoying. I've never understood why card shows dont' get convenience store prices. The card is right there:
-You can touch it, feel it, smell it, lick it, rub it on your junk if the seller lets you. Essentially, make sure it's not damaged like most eBay cards
-You don't have to wait for shipping, eBay authentication, 1.5-2 week delivery
-You don't have to pay extra taxes/shipping

Why TF do people continue to demand 15% below comps to steal all of the cash transaction benefits from the seller?

I had a few peli bois swooping in looking at my inventory and they were all making comments like "ooooh you got a bunch of stuff I want to buy." Then proceeded to spout out the following offer "how about I pick out what I want and package everything together and buy in bulk at 25% below comps."

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So you want 25% below what other humans are paying for the card, and 13% below what I would net after selling to the other humans via eBay so that you have an immediate 13% margin opportunity, all during a period where turning cards at a 20-40% ROI is tough. You want me to hand you 25-50% of my margin? GTFO

[oplum29]

The prevalence of this is quite annoying. I've never understood why card shows dont' get convenience store prices. The card is right there:
-You can touch it, feel it, smell it, lick it, rub it on your junk if the seller lets you. Essentially, make sure it's not damaged like most eBay cards
-You don't have to wait for shipping, eBay authentication, 1.5-2 week delivery
-You don't have to pay extra taxes/shipping

Why TF do people continue to demand 15% below comps to steal all of the cash transaction benefits from the seller?

I had a few peli bois swooping in looking at my inventory and they were all making comments like "ooooh you got a bunch of stuff I want to buy." Then proceeded to spout out the following offer "how about I pick out what I want and package everything together and buy in bulk at 25% below comps."

https://media.tenor.com/9Z0yi_CHFn0AAAAC/no-drevil.gif

So you want 25% below what other humans are paying for the card, and 13% below what I would net after selling to the other humans via eBay so that you have an immediate 13% margin opportunity, all during a period where turning cards at a 20-40% ROI is tough. You want me to hand you 25-50% of my margin? GTFO

Yeah that’s exactly what I’m talking about, that’s the reason I was asking about this.

I don’t get where these “I’m offering 75-80% of comp sale prices”.

I know a shop I visited would offer 75% off of eBay sales, so that $75 card I would get $56.25 straight up store credit. I get it though, it’s a card shop and they are competing against online sites for sales. I get that, but outside dealers doing these deals, I don’t get it. If comps on my card are $75, I’m not selling it for $56 because YOU are offering 75% of comp prices, like you said GTFOH. Offer $75 or near that.

And that’s what frustrates me about YouTubers, I feel like they just view cards like they are making prop bets, it’s all about the money, that’s it.

[Stackfan]

I hate how a majority of the content now, is clickbait. I just bought this 50K card, huge 30k trade, monster deals etc.

Everyone is making the same content, and putting their spin on it. I gotta imagine it’s tough to be creative and unique in a crowded space, but gets kind of annoying with the repeat content.

[jzx1103]

My favorite Youtuber is Chris (Baseball Collector Investor Dealer). He talks about collecting more than flipping.

[smanzari]

Yeah that’s exactly what I’m talking about, that’s the reason I was asking about this.

I don’t get where these “I’m offering 75-80% of comp sale prices”.

I know a shop I visited would offer 75% off of eBay sales, so that $75 card I would get $56.25 straight up store credit. I get it though, it’s a card shop and they are competing against online sites for sales. I get that, but outside dealers doing these deals, I don’t get it. If comps on my card are $75, I’m not selling it for $56 because YOU are offering 75% of comp prices, like you said GTFOH. Offer $75 or near that.

And that’s what frustrates me about YouTubers, I feel like they just view cards like they are making prop bets, it’s all about the money, that’s it.

The $75.00 card is $75.00 on eBay - there are fees ranging from 13-18%, plus the chance you're going to be scammed. Additionally, free shipping is pretty much required so take another 5-12% depending on the method/insurance, which puts you at 18-30% in fees/shipping on that $75 card.

People paying (and accepting) offers at a percentage of eBay are essentially getting the same bottom line, as its more than likely in person (cash) or via payment method with less fess (such as PP with 3%).

Makes total sense to me, I would never ever pay eBay comps with cash nor would I expect them to pay the same to me (unless I have it listed on eBay)

[Kobefan]

The $75.00 card is $75.00 on eBay - there are fees ranging from 13-18%, plus the chance you're going to be scammed. Additionally, free shipping is pretty much required so take another 5-12% depending on the method/insurance, which puts you at 18-30% in fees/shipping on that $75 card.

People paying (and accepting) offers at a percentage of eBay are essentially getting the same bottom line, as its more than likely in person (cash) or via payment method with less fess (such as PP with 3%).

Makes total sense to me, I would never ever pay eBay comps with cash nor would I expect them to pay the same to me (unless I have it listed on eBay)

If you buy online, free shipping isn't required and for most folks, they need to pay additional state sales tax, so I would be happy to just pay at Ebay comp, but then again, I'm a collector, not a flipper.

[smanzari]

If you buy online, free shipping isn't required and for most folks, they need to pay additional state sales tax, so I would be happy to just pay at Ebay comp, but then again, I'm a collector, not a flipper.

I didn't say it was, just mentioned its "pretty much" required - IDK if you ever sell on eBay, but your "Free Shipping" items will move exponentially quicker than those with a shipping fee (can even put the same item and have a cheaper bottom line on the one that charges shipping, and that Free Shipping one will be the one with more views/action)

[bigdog2003]

I think some of these deals get done just show the person selling can see themselves in the videos.

[mindcycle]

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[jcardstore]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-HFLSOvQ60

I came here to say this. Not post this exact video but just to say that 99% of what you see is fake. Either staged or just a straight up lie.

It's not just cards. It's everything "influencer". They all live fake lives

[Kobefan]

My favorite Youtuber is Chris (Baseball Collector Investor Dealer). He talks about collecting more than flipping.

I like chasing cardboard, try it out and see how it compares to the other sportscard youtube shows.

[jewcer2k5]

Ebay takes 10%ish, now he’s clearing $495. Tax implications vs cash is another 20-30%, so he’s now clearing $350-400.

No clue on the Kyler price, but again, same story.

The dude who bought it can try and get the extra juice out of it I guess, but time commitment and marketplace to maximize the dollar will probably net him a loss.

Please consult with an accountant. You pay taxes on the profit not on the sales amount. Odds are he's taking a loss so it actually would just deduct from his inventory and claim the loss to be a tax benefit. If there were any profits, let's assume he paid $400 for the pair and then would've gotten $500 after ebay fees his profit is $100 so the tax would be on that $100 not on the total amount sold. If you were taxed on total sale no one would ever make any money and there would be no employees anywhere.

[GeechQuest]

Please consult with an accountant. You pay taxes on the profit not on the sales amount. Odds are he's taking a loss so it actually would just deduct from his inventory and claim the loss to be a tax benefit. If there were any profits, let's assume he paid $400 for the pair and then would've gotten $500 after ebay fees his profit is $100 so the tax would be on that $100 not on the total amount sold. If you were taxed on total sale no one would ever make any money and there would be no employees anywhere.

My gut says 95% of dealers aren’t keeping books. Don’t see too many brainiac money managers spending money on cards…

[gomiamigo]

If someone at a show is dumb enough to accept 75% of widely-available comps that's on them.

Perhaps they need the cash....badly.

[yiguiri2002]

I think it makes sense for card to go below eBay comps. It's not only the fees, but the time it gets to ship (along with packing materials) as well as the tax savings. I was gonna say the difference between having the money in hand too but I think eBay is depositing the money on your account within 2 business days.

Also, I would say where you live matters. If you live in California, you can pay 90% off eBay comps and be happy with your savings. Somewhere like Oregon, you'll need to go to 80% to get similar savings.

[bigdog2003]

If someone at a show is dumb enough to accept 75% of widely-available comps that's on them.

Perhaps they need the cash....badly.

Or they are into the cards so cheap that even 75% has them in their ideal profit range. Selling at a show, no returns, often cash, no worrying about lost shipments.

If you are buying large enough lots, selling at 75% of current comps can still net a large profit. Now if you are flipping singles, I doubt you are making much.

[TawkCards]

The cost of the acquistion plays a big role. If he bought the card for $50 before covid and is now selling with for $460, comps don't really matter. So many variables go into this stuff it's impossible to gauge. What if the card shop owner is about to default on a loan and so he sells for a discount? I'm a die hard celtics fan, but that card wouldn't be anything I would see out. Would rather have a crisp National Treasures auto like this even if it's not a "rookie year" card. https://www.ebay.com/itm/325581743684

[mc1]

Cash money $$$

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[eastbayak]

The $75.00 card is $75.00 on eBay - there are fees ranging from 13-18%, plus the chance you're going to be scammed. Additionally, free shipping is pretty much required so take another 5-12% depending on the method/insurance, which puts you at 18-30% in fees/shipping on that $75 card.

People paying (and accepting) offers at a percentage of eBay are essentially getting the same bottom line, as its more than likely in person (cash) or via payment method with less fess (such as PP with 3%).

Makes total sense to me, I would never ever pay eBay comps with cash nor would I expect them to pay the same to me (unless I have it listed on eBay)

100%.

I love paying below eBay comps at local shows and the sellers I deal with enjoy getting cash too.

[jewcer2k5]

My gut says 95% of dealers aren’t keeping books. Don’t see too many brainiac money managers spending money on cards…

If they aren’t keeping books they are definitely not reporting their 1099k’s from eBay or PayPal.

Regardless, the fact is putting info out saying you pay taxes on complete sales is wrong.

[eastbayak]

If they aren’t keeping books they are definitely not reporting their 1099k’s from eBay or PayPal.

Regardless, the fact is putting info out saying you pay taxes on complete sales is wrong.

Theoretically, it could be correct if all cards sold for a given year were in-person (from your home) cash transactions and such cards were inherited from someone, no?

Because your cost-basis for each card would essentially be $0 and the complete sales would be an accurate representation of complete profits (since no additional fees/expenses involved).

I also expect to see more of the aforementioned scenarios in the future as current collectors pass on their collections (complete or partial) to children/grandchildren who then move such collections (complete or partial) for quick cash (most likely after the collector passes on).

[jewcer2k5]

Theoretically, it could be correct if all cards sold for a given year were in-person (from your home) cash transactions and such cards were inherited from someone, no?

Because your cost-basis for each card would essentially be $0 and the complete sales would be an accurate representation of complete profits (since no additional fees/expenses involved).

I also expect to see more of the aforementioned scenarios in the future as current collectors pass on their collections (complete or partial) to children/grandchildren who then move such collections (complete or partial) for quick cash (most likely after the collector passes on).

Sure. If everything is free. But the comment was about buying at a shop.

[eastbayak]

Sure. If everything is free. But the comment was about buying at a shop.

Very true.

Thanks for the confirmation as well, something I'll definitely consider when passing on my cards to my kid(s).

[dizzy4111]

From what I've seen of the channel, Justin and the other dudes in his videos kind of make it a point to emphasize that they always try to pay no more than 65% and if people aren't with it that's fine.

It's pretty easy to see why people like dealing with them.

[imbluestreak23]

From what I've seen of the channel, Justin and the other dudes in his videos kind of make it a point to emphasize that they always try to pay no more than 65% and if people aren't with it that's fine.

It's pretty easy to see why people like dealing with them.

Do you mean "don't" like dealing with him?

I would not enjoy interacting with someone who spends 15-20 minutes picking through all of my cards which are in a nice neat order by serial number (700+ slabs) only to have the shmuck say, how about 65% comps bro?

[discodanman45]

Do you mean "don't" like dealing with him?

I would not enjoy interacting with someone who spends 15-20 minutes picking through all of my cards which are in a nice neat order by serial number (700+ slabs) only to have the shmuck say, how about 65% comps bro?

He is Geoff Wilson. You should be honored with him even touching your cards. Even luckier if his kid comes to your table and offers 50% and makes a video of ripping you off for the Card Kidz. All to help out the innocent youth in the hobby.

[hauntedcomputer]

Theoretically, it could be correct if all cards sold for a given year were in-person (from your home) cash transactions and such cards were inherited from someone, no?

Because your cost-basis for each card would essentially be $0 and the complete sales would be an accurate representation of complete profits (since no additional fees/expenses involved).

I also expect to see more of the aforementioned scenarios in the future as current collectors pass on their collections (complete or partial) to children/grandchildren who then move such collections (complete or partial) for quick cash (most likely after the collector passes on).

Or list them as capital gains with a stepped-up basis to the value at time of inheritance and unless you are already wealthy you pay zero taxes. Most "dealers" aren't very sophisticated and so shoot for cash in the pocket or play games with 1099s. And then act shocked when they get a tax bill because they think that cards shouldn't be treated like every other thing that is bought and sold in the world besides illegal stuff.

In my show days, I remember one dealer always bragging about all the killer deals he was swinging and I wondered why he didn't even have any teeth.

[BlockShotStop]

Tax implications aside, if I buy in person off of eBay, that saves the seller, at a minimum, 13%. Plus, the in-person sale has the benefit of being in cash and immediate. As a buyer, I think that it's fair to expect that 13% of bargaining surplus to be negotiable. Maybe I (the buyer) capture more of that margin sometimes, and you (the seller) others, depending on the card and market conditions. Sellers who act appalled at this notion are not worth dealing with, honestly. I'll just move on because we aren't a good deal fit.

That said, buyers who come up and demand 25% off of comps for a bulk/cash deal are equally obnoxious for the reasons others have stated above. Why am I giving you all the margin on the deal simply because of a "bulk" or "all cash" deal? I have no incentive to do that unless I think the cards you've picked are tanking hard. But they never pick cards that are in a current downward trend. It's always the "hot" players or case hit inserts they want for pennies on the dollar.

This is where OP's original comment comes in.

A LOT of these young collectors are going to shows and just parroting things they've seen on YouTube. They want to be big shots, look cool, sound smart, etc. They don't understand that it is unrealistic to operate in the same manner as a massive dealer like CardCollector2.

[Promethius88]

Tax implications aside, if I buy in person off of eBay, that saves the seller, at a minimum, 13%. Plus, the in-person sale has the benefit of being in cash and immediate. As a buyer, I think that it's fair to expect that 13% of bargaining surplus to be negotiable. Maybe I (the buyer) capture more of that margin sometimes, and you (the seller) others, depending on the card and market conditions. Sellers who act appalled at this notion are not worth dealing with, honestly. I'll just move on because we aren't a good deal fit.

That said, buyers who come up and demand 25% off of comps for a bulk/cash deal are equally obnoxious for the reasons others have stated above. Why am I giving you all the margin on the deal simply because of a "bulk" or "all cash" deal? I have no incentive to do that unless I think the cards you've picked are tanking hard. But they never pick cards that are in a current downward trend. It's always the "hot" players or case hit inserts they want for pennies on the dollar.

This is where OP's original comment comes in.

A LOT of these young collectors are going to shows and just parroting things they've seen on YouTube. They want to be big shots, look cool, sound smart, etc. They don't understand that it is unrealistic to operate in the same manner as a massive dealer like CardCollector2.

This is just not true. I have been tracking individual net sales this past week and my net has been 88.5-90% after shipping. On a 5 figure item, my net
was over 95%.
Now, I will preface this by saying I have an Ebay store as well so I pay a little less and I am capped at a certain point.

Now, assuming someone is paying sales tax on an Ebay item... that can be what, 6%-9% so it really helps both ways.

If someone walks up to my table and tells me they are paying 75-80% of comps I will politely tell them... "Good luck with that.".

[BlockShotStop]

This is just not true. I have been tracking individual net sales this past week and my net has been 88.5-90% after shipping. On a 5 figure item, my net
was over 95%.
Now, I will preface this by saying I have an Ebay store as well so I pay a little less and I am capped at a certain point.

Now, assuming someone is paying sales tax on an Ebay item... that can be what, 6%-9% so it really helps both ways.

If someone walks up to my table and tells me they are paying 75-80% of comps I will politely tell them... "Good luck with that.".

That makes sense re: the eBay store. I usually clear like 85-87% once shipping costs are factored in, but I just the small break for being a trusted seller. I don't have a store.

As for your other point, I agree. Asking for a 20-25% discount is way too much. If I'm at a show, though, I'm trying to get cards for about 90% of eBay. Especially, if the card is graded. I'm not paying full freight on a graded card that I could just as easily have ordered from home.

The calculus is totally different on raw cards. That's where being at the show is real advantage to me, the buyer, vs. eBay. I can handle and inspect the card closely. If the card is in great condition, I have no problem going over comps. I'll pay a premium for the certainty.

[imbluestreak23]

Yeah, some of you all are nuts.

Why take 8 hours of my time to set up at a show, having to deal with lowballers, idiots who don't respect the order of my inventory, potential theft, all while my inventory sits nice and neatly in nice cold A/C available for the world to see on eBay and I can get the same take home lounging commando style flipping through Netflix accepting or rejecting offers.

Good luck paying 105%-110% on eBay after your shipping fees/purchase tax because your too stubborn to pay 95% (happy medium for both parties) in person at show as you want it to be 85-87% hogging all the beneft.

[gomiamigo]

I don't know if you know this, but many dealers at shows also lounge commando style while watching cheerleader videos on tiktoks accepting and rejecting offers.

[imbluestreak23]

I don't know if you know this, but many dealers at shows also lounge commando style while watching cheerleader videos on tiktoks accepting and rejecting offers.

That's a good point. Well played

[Harper]

The $75.00 card is $75.00 on eBay - there are fees ranging from 13-18%, plus the chance you're going to be scammed. Additionally, free shipping is pretty much required so take another 5-12% depending on the method/insurance, which puts you at 18-30% in fees/shipping on that $75 card.

People paying (and accepting) offers at a percentage of eBay are essentially getting the same bottom line, as its more than likely in person (cash) or via payment method with less fess (such as PP with 3%).

Makes total sense to me, I would never ever pay eBay comps with cash nor would I expect them to pay the same to me (unless I have it listed on eBay)

I’m not a seller/dealer but this seems really short sighted. eBay is passive. Sitting at a card show /shop is active. They need to charge for their time.

If you had option to make 750$/ day via eBay sales and only spend like 1 hour packaging all your sales, or 8 hours at a show making same amoun, what would you choose? 9/10 people would choose passive income

[drobfan8]

We're going to see buyers more often than not offer 80% of ebay and get it. Maybe even less.

I'd be happy to pay an ebay comp for a card I really want/need, but ultimately it's up to the dealer.

It's becoming a buyers market more and more.

Dealers had their run. Now the decent ones will last and the shocks won't.

One guy on YouTube put it really well. He'll buy at 75% - 80% of ebay and try to sell at 90%.

Seems about right.

[mutigers77]

I like chasing cardboard, try it out and see how it compares to the other sportscard youtube shows.

Episode 22 just came out this week. Interesting situation they ran into, but at least it shows the reality of collectors. https://youtu.be/CGXwr7-lUbM

[oplum29]

Tax implications aside, if I buy in person off of eBay, that saves the seller, at a minimum, 13%. Plus, the in-person sale has the benefit of being in cash and immediate. As a buyer, I think that it's fair to expect that 13% of bargaining surplus to be negotiable. Maybe I (the buyer) capture more of that margin sometimes, and you (the seller) others, depending on the card and market conditions. Sellers who act appalled at this notion are not worth dealing with, honestly. I'll just move on because we aren't a good deal fit.

That said, buyers who come up and demand 25% off of comps for a bulk/cash deal are equally obnoxious for the reasons others have stated above. Why am I giving you all the margin on the deal simply because of a "bulk" or "all cash" deal? I have no incentive to do that unless I think the cards you've picked are tanking hard. But they never pick cards that are in a current downward trend. It's always the "hot" players or case hit inserts they want for pennies on the dollar.

This is where OP's original comment comes in.

A LOT of these young collectors are going to shows and just parroting things they've seen on YouTube. They want to be big shots, look cool, sound smart, etc. They don't understand that it is unrealistic to operate in the same manner as a massive dealer like CardCollector2.

not every collector has boat loads of money to make deals like these youtubers do all the time.

i like Justin Gamble, his videos are solid, but he also has or comes from money. he's not just a card dealer, the dude is in NY one day, then Las Vegas, then Cali a few days later. he's not doing that by selling cards.

to the average joe, they are walking into shows with maybe a few hundred at best, not $7500 cash on top of $30K in cards like SCI does.

[oplum29]

From what I've seen of the channel, Justin and the other dudes in his videos kind of make it a point to emphasize that they always try to pay no more than 65% and if people aren't with it that's fine.

It's pretty easy to see why people like dealing with them.

in all fairness, they aren't showing you every single deal or interaction they make, only certain ones.

so in reality, he might only be hitting on 10% of his deals/interactions, and that's it. i did see one video where a kid was trying to sell a Saquon Barkley Downtown PSA 10 for $220. Justin's friend was offering $200, and both were firm on the deal. a few minutes later in the video, the kid came back and flashed $220 to Justin and his friend. kid got what he wanted. $20 more. good for him.

my problem with the youtube/influencer thing is, they seem to put the norm at 60-75% of comps right now.

so if i have a $1000, they'll probably at best, offer me as low as $600 to as high as $750 (doubt it).

if i sell that card on eBay, i'm actually getting more back than their offer.

if i'm at a show, there's no way i'm selling a $1K card for $650-700, no way. even with the guarantee of cash now, that's insane.

even if at $650-700 i'm already banking on a card i bought for $100, i'm still leaving money on the table.

[mc1]

if i sell that card on eBay, i'm actually getting more back than their offer.

if i'm at a show, there's no way i'm selling a $1K card for $650-700, no way. even with the guarantee of cash now, that's insane.

even if at $650-700 i'm already banking on a card i bought for $100, i'm still leaving money on the table.

Have you ever bought or sold something on ebay and the item has been lost in transit? It can happen. Have you ever been scammed by a buyer or seller? It can happen. Nothing on ebay is guaranteed.

The biggest sale I ever had on ebay could have gone horribly for me since the USPS didnt complete the delivery scan. The last scan was one of those “awaiting delivery” messages. Had the buyer been a scumbag he could have claimed non-receipt and I would have been out the item and money. On another occasion I did lose out on a few hundred dollar card that I am 100% convinced was delivered but the scammer claimed they didnt get.

[auburn35]

^
Show or in-person deals are without issues?

Selling/buying has risks, no matter the venue.

[anusinha]

Most of the big influencer videos are fake or staged. If you are selling your stuff for 75% of comps, then you are the moron. Just toss it in a box and send it to Probstein.

[jzx1103]

Lol, looks like they all have their own Topps cards in baseball and are all SP'd. Selling for $100 to $300. What has this hobby becoming :doh:

[Phishphan21]

The amount of simple math errors ��

[MFaulkCollector]

in all fairness, they aren't showing you every single deal or interaction they make, only certain ones.

so in reality, he might only be hitting on 10% of his deals/interactions, and that's it. i did see one video where a kid was trying to sell a Saquon Barkley Downtown PSA 10 for $220. Justin's friend was offering $200, and both were firm on the deal. a few minutes later in the video, the kid came back and flashed $220 to Justin and his friend. kid got what he wanted. $20 more. good for him.

my problem with the youtube/influencer thing is, they seem to put the norm at 60-75% of comps right now.

so if i have a $1000, they'll probably at best, offer me as low as $600 to as high as $750 (doubt it).

if i sell that card on eBay, i'm actually getting more back than their offer.

if i'm at a show, there's no way i'm selling a $1K card for $650-700, no way. even with the guarantee of cash now, that's insane.

even if at $650-700 i'm already banking on a card i bought for $100, i'm still leaving money on the table.

I think you are too cut and dry on the thought process.......... lesser valued items, like 20-50 bucks........ I'm not letting 5-10 percent stop a sale; ie a 50 dollar item and I'm after 50... they offer 35.... that's fine I've already set up, it's there, maybe I'm short 3-4 bucks what ebay would net........ I'll sell and move on

$1000 worth of 10-20 dollar items..... they want to offer 650? meh, it's not as bad of a deal as it may look on the surface....... if you don't do many shows you won't have constant eyes on your items.. so again it reverts back to what you'd net online..... at 1000 you are looking at fees and shipping charges of about 200 ish........ then it comes down to 150..... you want to hold out and slowly sell the stuff online, which will tally upwards of 60-100 packages............. or cut that all loose at once, consider the 150 less net reasonable for your saved time in the future........ and be okay with it (but of course counter offering 725 to their 650 first, just in case lol)

then you have the rarer higher end items that you maybe have 1 or 2 comps for every 3 months.......... you can bet your rear end I'm not selling those below comps......... they are online type cards and prime window shopping pieces. They will always sell eventually and I always list at 10-20 percent more than the last sale if another isn't available. I'd do the same at a show, they can either buy it or keep walking

the decision about percentages needs to be flexible depending on how common something is, the ballpark value, your gut feeling about how a player is trending, and specifically right now the projected economic environment. I sold tons of items at 60,70 percent of comps when prices started to fall and it was solely to beat the drop ... had I been at comps the sales would have always undercut me and now I'd be stuck with all that crap.... instead that 60/70 percent is 200 percent or more current prices.

[duron]

Most of the big influencer videos are fake or staged. If you are selling your stuff for 75% of comps, then you are the moron. Just toss it in a box and send it to Probstein.

This is true!

I Shillsteined myself this past week for over $100 more than the same copy went for just a month back.

I think it’s something about his watermark that makes myself and others overpay.

Hail Ricardo.

[oplum29]

I think you are too cut and dry on the thought process.......... lesser valued items, like 20-50 bucks........ I'm not letting 5-10 percent stop a sale; ie a 50 dollar item and I'm after 50... they offer 35.... that's fine I've already set up, it's there, maybe I'm short 3-4 bucks what ebay would net........ I'll sell and move on

$1000 worth of 10-20 dollar items..... they want to offer 650? meh, it's not as bad of a deal as it may look on the surface....... if you don't do many shows you won't have constant eyes on your items.. so again it reverts back to what you'd net online..... at 1000 you are looking at fees and shipping charges of about 200 ish........ then it comes down to 150..... you want to hold out and slowly sell the stuff online, which will tally upwards of 60-100 packages............. or cut that all loose at once, consider the 150 less net reasonable for your saved time in the future........ and be okay with it (but of course counter offering 725 to their 650 first, just in case lol)

then you have the rarer higher end items that you maybe have 1 or 2 comps for every 3 months.......... you can bet your rear end I'm not selling those below comps......... they are online type cards and prime window shopping pieces. They will always sell eventually and I always list at 10-20 percent more than the last sale if another isn't available. I'd do the same at a show, they can either buy it or keep walking

the decision about percentages needs to be flexible depending on how common something is, the ballpark value, your gut feeling about how a player is trending, and specifically right now the projected economic environment. I sold tons of items at 60,70 percent of comps when prices started to fall and it was solely to beat the drop ... had I been at comps the sales would have always undercut me and now I'd be stuck with all that crap.... instead that 60/70 percent is 200 percent or more current prices.

thanks for the post, it's a good read. and i get what you are saying, i do.

i'll also take $35 for a $50 card, no worries at all. eBay i think rakes in 13% of a sale depending on the total value. add another $3-20 shipping i guess, depending on the card value, i get that.

i sold a card earlier this year for a grand, netted roughly $825 after all the fees and shipping costs. if this dude Justin Gamble saw the sale price, he would have offered $650-700. that means, i would have left $150-175 on the table.

i understand everybody has their policies. the shop i visit would offer 75% of eBay sales store credit or 60% in cash, or something like that. PayPal for example transfers money to your bank free in 1-3 days or instantly for a 3% fee.

again, i get that. but i don't understand how some of these deals are being made knowing you are leaving money on the table. if a card is comping at $500, i'm not letting it go for $350, and i doubt most people are too (unless they are desperate to get the sale and move on).

if it's a lot of 50 cards valued at $10-20 each for a $500 to $1K valuation, and i'm getting a $650 offer, i'm taking that easily too. i cleared 50 cards off my books no problem.

back in the good old days of Beckett, everybody made deals based on the book value of a card. so if a Jordan rookie was listed at a low of $600 and a high of $750, then you'd expect to pay anywhere in that range (depending on condition). these youtuber influencers today would have offered $525 off the high book value and $420 on the low end (that's at 70%).

i know everybody is trying to be a shark nowadays, but come on.

[auctionjmm]

Most of the big influencer videos are fake or staged. If you are selling your stuff for 75% of comps, then you are the moron. Just toss it in a box and send it to Probstein.

As someone who has been on the other side of several, they aren't staged. They come right up to your table, camera behind them, and start negotiating. If we turn them down, the camera goes away and they move onto the next table. If a deal is struck, it becomes part of the next webisode. Sure, they aren't usually showing the rejections on the final production just as a college athlete's highlight video isn't showing the blown plays on their draft video. I don't have a problem with that. But it's not like they are coming up to us to plan the bit ahead of time.

As far as comps, it depends on how the product was acquired. The National is a good example of an extremely fast moving show. I can buy a card at 2:00pm and it might sell by 2:05pm. Whatever deal I get, I'm pricing a certain percentage above that and hoping to move the card at the show. I did this with a Wander Franco HFA last year. I bought it for 70 from a customer who walked up. I put 100 on it and placed it in the showcase. Comps were as high as 125 at that time. Someone came up and offered me $90 and we settled on $95. I made $25 in a few minutes and moved onto the next buy. I don't think that's moronic. Could I have taken it home, listed it, waited to get $125, and cleared an extra $11.25 after fees? Sure. But that wasn't worth my time. I'm happy to move something at 75% that I bought for 55% in a matter of minutes.

[BigMac]

they're paying 65-75% comps because theyre also unloading them for less than those comps they use (~85%).. i dont see any issues with that also since a lot of times they're taking cards that are little bit more difficult to move (common slabs) and also upfront about it, people are selling them run of the mill stuff nothing extremely rare or hot.. anyone can get better deals on stuff if ur buying a package and taking other crap off dealer's hands.. im sure they get access to better deals because being on the video is exposure for a lot of the dealers.. been enjoying his content as well, def a lot different from a lot of the other channels where they get kind of repetitive/boring

[imbluestreak23]

The logic from 50% in this thread is why I love going to shows to buy, and why I hate going to shows to sell unless I have my yahtzee style board letting the gamblers and kiddos get their fix. Let's me move unmovable inventory. So many are willing to sacrifice so many percentages on what has become a low margin/break even game. Kudos to the sellers that have it built within their margins to accept the lowballers

[oplum29]

As someone who has been on the other side of several, they aren't staged. They come right up to your table, camera behind them, and start negotiating. If we turn them down, the camera goes away and they move onto the next table. If a deal is struck, it becomes part of the next webisode. Sure, they aren't usually showing the rejections on the final production just as a college athlete's highlight video isn't showing the blown plays on their draft video. I don't have a problem with that. But it's not like they are coming up to us to plan the bit ahead of time.

As far as comps, it depends on how the product was acquired. The National is a good example of an extremely fast moving show. I can buy a card at 2:00pm and it might sell by 2:05pm. Whatever deal I get, I'm pricing a certain percentage above that and hoping to move the card at the show. I did this with a Wander Franco HFA last year. I bought it for 70 from a customer who walked up. I put 100 on it and placed it in the showcase. Comps were as high as 125 at that time. Someone came up and offered me $90 and we settled on $95. I made $25 in a few minutes and moved onto the next buy. I don't think that's moronic. Could I have taken it home, listed it, waited to get $125, and cleared an extra $11.25 after fees? Sure. But that wasn't worth my time. I'm happy to move something at 75% that I bought for 55% in a matter of minutes.

if you bought it at 55%....sheesh you got a deal

[MFaulkCollector]

thanks for the post, it's a good read. and i get what you are saying, i do.

i'll also take $35 for a $50 card, no worries at all. eBay i think rakes in 13% of a sale depending on the total value. add another $3-20 shipping i guess, depending on the card value, i get that.

i sold a card earlier this year for a grand, netted roughly $825 after all the fees and shipping costs. if this dude Justin Gamble saw the sale price, he would have offered $650-700. that means, i would have left $150-175 on the table.

i understand everybody has their policies. the shop i visit would offer 75% of eBay sales store credit or 60% in cash, or something like that. PayPal for example transfers money to your bank free in 1-3 days or instantly for a 3% fee.

again, i get that. but i don't understand how some of these deals are being made knowing you are leaving money on the table. if a card is comping at $500, i'm not letting it go for $350, and i doubt most people are too (unless they are desperate to get the sale and move on).

if it's a lot of 50 cards valued at $10-20 each for a $500 to $1K valuation, and i'm getting a $650 offer, i'm taking that easily too. i cleared 50 cards off my books no problem.

back in the good old days of Beckett, everybody made deals based on the book value of a card. so if a Jordan rookie was listed at a low of $600 and a high of $750, then you'd expect to pay anywhere in that range (depending on condition). these youtuber influencers today would have offered $525 off the high book value and $420 on the low end (that's at 70%).

i know everybody is trying to be a shark nowadays, but come on.

ultimately we agree pretty much on everything then....... higher end items like 500 (selling at 350).. and 1000.... selling at 650...... for single cards............ would be similar to what imbluestreak is saying "absolutely nuts"...... but when it's lower dollar stuff in bulk and you are saving a ton of time and creating liquid cash to turnover inventory....... then it makes sense for me anyhow

[oplum29]

ultimately we agree pretty much on everything then....... higher end items like 500 (selling at 350).. and 1000.... selling at 650...... for single cards............ would be similar to what imbluestreak is saying "absolutely nuts"...... but when it's lower dollar stuff in bulk and you are saving a ton of time and creating liquid cash to turnover inventory....... then it makes sense for me anyhow

yeah in bulk i get it. $1K valuation for 50 cards valued at $20 each and i'm getting a $650 offer, i'm taking that deal, no brainer.

but a $1K card and i'm getting a $650 offer....no chance.

[junkwaxera]

Who are the most credible? Least credible? The best? The worst? The most spammy?


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[eastbayak]

As someone who has been on the other side of several, they aren't staged. They come right up to your table, camera behind them, and start negotiating. If we turn them down, the camera goes away and they move onto the next table. If a deal is struck, it becomes part of the next webisode. Sure, they aren't usually showing the rejections on the final production just as a college athlete's highlight video isn't showing the blown plays on their draft video. I don't have a problem with that. But it's not like they are coming up to us to plan the bit ahead of time.

As far as comps, it depends on how the product was acquired. The National is a good example of an extremely fast moving show. I can buy a card at 2:00pm and it might sell by 2:05pm. Whatever deal I get, I'm pricing a certain percentage above that and hoping to move the card at the show. I did this with a Wander Franco HFA last year. I bought it for 70 from a customer who walked up. I put 100 on it and placed it in the showcase. Comps were as high as 125 at that time. Someone came up and offered me $90 and we settled on $95. I made $25 in a few minutes and moved onto the next buy. I don't think that's moronic. Could I have taken it home, listed it, waited to get $125, and cleared an extra $11.25 after fees? Sure. But that wasn't worth my time. I'm happy to move something at 75% that I bought for 55% in a matter of minutes.

Smart man!

[dizzy4111]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmBVWpyiJww

Lmao he made a video specifically about the haters in here

[Scottish Punk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmBVWpyiJww

Lmao he made a video specifically about the haters in here

I could only get through about 40 seconds.

[nothinbefore]

not every collector has boat loads of money to make deals like these youtubers do all the time.

i like Justin Gamble, his videos are solid, but he also has or comes from money. he's not just a card dealer, the dude is in NY one day, then Las Vegas, then Cali a few days later. he's not doing that by selling cards.


bingo!:coffee:

looks like his dad sells sports cards also

so it runs in the family for paying lesser than Ebay since day1 lol


it doesn't matter if he loses or wins in any deal/trade

he can afford to take L's buying up all the "Ian Book" cards he wants


also this Justin kid always seems extra hyped in his videos..idunno what they sprinkle in those red bulls out in Vegas but must be good ;)

he is pumping out alot of content daily so i give him credit for the grind....def a youtuber you easily hate/like so it works for his brand

[CiaranGQ]

also this Justin kid always seems extra hyped in his videos..idunno what they sprinkle in those red bulls out in Vegas but must be good ;)

he is pumping out alot of content daily so i give him credit for the grind....def a youtuber you easily hate/like so it works for his brand


He is successful in social media and related genres outside of sports cards. Whether he is to everyone’s liking or not, he is very good at what he does.

Personally, I like his sports card-related videos. Entertaining with some feel good factor. Also, he calls certain elements of the hobby that can be distasteful and sometimes in quite an humorous manner. All-in-all, a great addition to the sports collectables video scene.

[drobfan8]

Cringe and those pissy little deals aren't paying for the flights and accom.

Would love to see how much these dudes get sent weekly from Mommy or Daddy.

Why are they always insecure? Mentioning this thread. Haha.

And the tough guy act swearing throughout. Yikes.

[as921011]

The prevalence of this is quite annoying. I've never understood why card shows dont' get convenience store prices. The card is right there:
-You can touch it, feel it, smell it, lick it, rub it on your junk if the seller lets you. Essentially, make sure it's not damaged like most eBay cards
-You don't have to wait for shipping, eBay authentication, 1.5-2 week delivery
-You don't have to pay extra taxes/shipping

Why TF do people continue to demand 15% below comps to steal all of the cash transaction benefits from the seller?

I had a few peli bois swooping in looking at my inventory and they were all making comments like "ooooh you got a bunch of stuff I want to buy." Then proceeded to spout out the following offer "how about I pick out what I want and package everything together and buy in bulk at 25% below comps."

https://media.tenor.com/9Z0yi_CHFn0AAAAC/no-drevil.gif

So you want 25% below what other humans are paying for the card, and 13% below what I would net after selling to the other humans via eBay so that you have an immediate 13% margin opportunity, all during a period where turning cards at a 20-40% ROI is tough. You want me to hand you 25-50% of my margin? GTFO

On my last Local show, I have people I know who go setup at all the major show at West Coast come to my table tell me I want to buy xx card(Kaboom, Ohtani...etc). I will offer you 70% of the comp because I need to sell this card at xx amount. lol

[Spacemanspif]

The problem (and I guess kind of goes along with the OP of this thread) is that there are way more / too many people that consider themselves flippers / dealers, and not consumers. They don't want to pay sales tax on ebay purchases, nor do they want to pay "full comp" because they don't actually have any sense of the markets or what is valuable, so they try and work offline deals "below comps" to have a lower buy-in. That's not only bad for all the reasons mentioned by dealers in this thread, but also because the more this behavior is enabled, the less people actually bid on auctions, which causes prices to fall even further.

I hate dealing with people so I don't do shows, but have a pretty robust inventory and manage to do a lot of business on ebay. And yet I still get a bunch of messages every day / week from people offering some ridiculous percentage because they need inventory and I have stuff they want. There's no self awareness. You have an IG page with a bunch of retail parallels and you're coming to a guy with 6 figures of inventory, telling him you don't pay comps for low POP cards and you need room. You are the one seeking him out because you can't find it anywhere else, but you're in the drivers seat of the negotiation. It's insanity. Kudos to you who do it, but I can't imagine spending money to travel and set up, and then have to deal with the same stuff in person.

[ksemmel]

I think there are a lot of similarities with this Justin Gamble guy and most other card youtubes that promote deals

People are willing to give him a better deal because they feel like they know him or are dealing with someone they have watched online. In a lot of different youtubers' show content you hear, "Yea, I will do that for you" or something along those lines. Having a "known" personality does seem to help get deals done at better numbers.

Now for his videos specifically, the editing is pretty solid. The music isn't my style, but it works with the persona and situations in the video. I do not know if it is a schtick or his personality, but I could certainly do without the cocky, arrogant Sports Card Radio-like comments. That is a big turn off and why I haven't watched more than a couple videos of his. But he is a smart kid, and having that "like-me-or-don't, I don't care" attitude isn't common, so that is where he differentiates himself from others.

At the end of the day, he isn't for me and I don't find his videos enjoyable to watch, but he is putting out contact very frequently and if he is making money to sustain himself via cards, all the power to him. Find what works for you and keep grinding.

[Kobefan]

I think there are a lot of similarities with this Justin Gamble guy and most other card youtubes that promote deals

People are willing to give him a better deal because they feel like they know him or are dealing with someone they have watched online. In a lot of different youtubers' show content you hear, "Yea, I will do that for you" or something along those lines. Having a "known" personality does seem to help get deals done at better numbers.

Now for his videos specifically, the editing is pretty solid. The music isn't my style, but it works with the persona and situations in the video. I do not know if it is a schtick or his personality, but I could certainly do without the cocky, arrogant Sports Card Radio-like comments. That is a big turn off and why I haven't watched more than a couple videos of his. But he is a smart kid, and having that "like-me-or-don't, I don't care" attitude isn't common, so that is where he differentiates himself from others.

At the end of the day, he isn't for me and I don't find his videos enjoyable to watch, but he is putting out contact very frequently and if he is making money to sustain himself via cards, all the power to him. Find what works for you and keep grinding.

Yeah, I do gradually find a lot of these sports cards influencer videos to be unwatchable. Now, the only one I watch is Chasing Cardboard.

[smalltown]

He paid $100 for a card that sells for $100. Cooked him! lol

Why did i watch that.

[sethc1020]

Nobody is walking into a card shop or show and getting one of the hottest players at an 20-30% discount because its off Ebay. So yes its absolutely fake. The bad part of the whole thing is that a lot of people actually believe this stuff because its on the internet so it must be real. At show I get it all the time, people (mostly younger) will walk up and look at my stuff, pick out a few of the hottest players/best cards in the case and offer some ridiculously low amount (60-70%) for it then act like Im the fool for not accepting their offer. Drives me crazy, especially because most of the time we are one of a handful of dealers in the entire room that has our stuff priced reasonably. Its almost like that since we are priced at comps they expect to get an additional 30% discount. Unreal.

[oplum29]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmBVWpyiJww

Lmao he made a video specifically about the haters in here

hahaha that's awesome!

we made it boys! :D

[oplum29]

Nobody is walking into a card shop or show and getting one of the hottest players at an 20-30% discount because its off Ebay. So yes its absolutely fake. The bad part of the whole thing is that a lot of people actually believe this stuff because its on the internet so it must be real. At show I get it all the time, people (mostly younger) will walk up and look at my stuff, pick out a few of the hottest players/best cards in the case and offer some ridiculously low amount (60-70%) for it then act like Im the fool for not accepting their offer. Drives me crazy, especially because most of the time we are one of a handful of dealers in the entire room that has our stuff priced reasonably. Its almost like that since we are priced at comps they expect to get an additional 30% discount. Unreal.

yeah that's my thing about this.

if i walked into my local shop, and said a card is selling for $100, i'll give you $65-70...the owner would say there's no way that's happening.

i know most of his videos are with dealers who are friends, so obviously he's getting major discounts that normal people probably wouldn't be getting. i also get moving entire lots at 65% (like in his newest video). the conversation was more about are these deals legit and how is he doing it (friends mostly).

i think Justin has done a pretty decent job of explaining himself with regards to the %. i honestly never thought this would catch his attention, that's pretty neat. i think instead of telling people to "f off" like he did, he could/should welcome the conversation because a lot of us have spent years in this hobby, from when it was nothing to when it was trending during COVID to where its at now.

we aren't "wasting our time" like he says. i didn't like his response to that. other than that, i've got no problems with the dude. get your money kid.

[oplum29]

Justin Gamble had no clue who Jamaal Charles was....:doh:

these influencers man...idk

i like him, but sheesh...it's just a money thing for them. idk if they actually care about the hobby the way a lot of us do.

[Archangel1775]

WTH is going on in the video? Also insulting a portion of the hobby that are potential customers probably isnt a good idea.

[NSGJT]

The prevalence of this is quite annoying. I've never understood why card shows dont' get convenience store prices. The card is right there:
-You can touch it, feel it, smell it, lick it, rub it on your junk if the seller lets you. Essentially, make sure it's not damaged like most eBay cards
-You don't have to wait for shipping, eBay authentication, 1.5-2 week delivery
-You don't have to pay extra taxes/shipping

Why TF do people continue to demand 15% below comps to steal all of the cash transaction benefits from the seller?

I had a few peli bois swooping in looking at my inventory and they were all making comments like "ooooh you got a bunch of stuff I want to buy." Then proceeded to spout out the following offer "how about I pick out what I want and package everything together and buy in bulk at 25% below comps."

https://media.tenor.com/9Z0yi_CHFn0AAAAC/no-drevil.gif

So you want 25% below what other humans are paying for the card, and 13% below what I would net after selling to the other humans via eBay so that you have an immediate 13% margin opportunity, all during a period where turning cards at a 20-40% ROI is tough. You want me to hand you 25-50% of my margin? GTFO

Really delayed response to this comment, and I hear what you're saying here but...

Dealers/Shops also mark up cards stupid high. I think youtubers are scumbags, some rather, and influencers and all that. I agree. But are dealers/shops not also kind of scummy? No offense lmao, but that's how I see it. They gotta make money sure, but essentially they make their biggest profits by ripping off little billy or an ignorant wannabe investor or collector who didn't research prices.

In theory, yeah cool let's settle on this ebay comp or right near it and there's no shipping, ebay fees, no downtime in sending the card. But shop/dealer never gives ebay prices. That's the issue. At least the ones I've seen. This also impacts the seller far more, there isn't some ~5-16% ebay seller free + shipping for the buyer. It's for the seller. So why would any intelligent, rational human as a buyer want to go to a show and see the same card marked up 2-3x sticker price, 1.5x sticker at minimum, then "haggle" down to a price that is still almost always well over ebay prices.

[oplum29]

Really delayed response to this comment, and I hear what you're saying here but...

Dealers/Shops also mark up cards stupid high. I think youtubers are scumbags, some rather, and influencers and all that. I agree. But are dealers/shops not also kind of scummy? No offense lmao, but that's how I see it. They gotta make money sure, but essentially they make their biggest profits by ripping off little billy or an ignorant wannabe investor or collector who didn't research prices.

In theory, yeah cool let's settle on this ebay comp or right near it and there's no shipping, ebay fees, no downtime in sending the card. But shop/dealer never gives ebay prices. That's the issue. At least the ones I've seen. This also impacts the seller far more, there isn't some ~5-16% ebay seller free + shipping for the buyer. It's for the seller. So why would any intelligent, rational human as a buyer want to go to a show and see the same card marked up 2-3x sticker price, 1.5x sticker at minimum, then "haggle" down to a price that is still almost always well over ebay prices.

from what i've seen at the few shops i've gone too, eBay has forced these shop owners to have to sell at eBay prices now.

they aren't using Market Movers or whatever SCI is using, but they go on eBay and will see how the last couple of auctions closed at, and then price accordingly.

they never did that in the past.

also, some of these older/bigger shops have so much inventory, they haven't, and aren't going to update their price listings on singles. it's too much for them. they'll do it on a case to case basis instead.

[oplum29]

WTH is going on in the video? Also insulting a portion of the hobby that are potential customers probably isnt a good idea.

the part that he's not insulting is that new money, the same guys who have no clue who Jamaal Charles is. :doh:

BTW, he's not kidding anybody when he says "this is how we make our money". no...he's got money. this is a hobby for him. it's a side hustle. and not that there is anything wrong with it, but sometimes not respecting the hobby is insulting to those that care or grew up in the hobby.

[imbluestreak23]

I haven’t watched their videos and don’t intend to

Don’t care much for the new flipper ninos

[oplum29]

it's been three months since the first post about, and it's amazing what has happened since then.

Justin Gamble Gamble for starters, is not some kid that has no money, and whose only funds are from sports cards. he might say that, but it's not true. turns out the dude made the Forbes Magazine list of Top 100 influencers several years back. the dude has MONEY.

and he's really smart too.

he started up a Discord where they sell/buy/trade cards (much like here), except he charges $17 a month to use.

he's now up to 400 members on the paid Discord, so do the math real quick okay.

$17 a month X 12 months = $204 a year X 400 members= $ 81.6K

yes....just on his Discord alone, he's making $80K a year. that's insane!!! good for him. i've thought about joining it, i think i've got a better chance to selling my stuff there than on eBay or even here, but at $17 a month, idk. i think it's probably worth it.

i'm just amazed by everything. there are a lot of Youtubers with card vlogs, but this kid works, and he's got a rep, and he's got money, and he's really starting to make a name for himself.

i don't really agree with everything he does, but the bottom line is, he makes bank. he's now up to 7K followers on his Youtube channel also.

[kobemagee29]

it's been three months since the first post about, and it's amazing what has happened since then.

Justin Gamble Gamble for starters, is not some kid that has no money, and whose only funds are from sports cards. he might say that, but it's not true. turns out the dude made the Forbes Magazine list of Top 100 influencers several years back. the dude has MONEY.

and he's really smart too.

he started up a Discord where they sell/buy/trade cards (much like here), except he charges $17 a month to use.

he's now up to 400 members on the paid Discord, so do the math real quick okay.

$17 a month X 12 months = $204 a year X 400 members= $ 81.6K

yes....just on his Discord alone, he's making $80K a year. that's insane!!! good for him. i've thought about joining it, i think i've got a better chance to selling my stuff there than on eBay or even here, but at $17 a month, idk. i think it's probably worth it.

i'm just amazed by everything. there are a lot of Youtubers with card vlogs, but this kid works, and he's got a rep, and he's got money, and he's really starting to make a name for himself.

i don't really agree with everything he does, but the bottom line is, he makes bank. he's now up to 7K followers on his Youtube channel also.

And this is why the world is going to crap, or some of the reason

[hauntedcomputer]

LOL

"This guy's a doosh but he makes lots of money. Wish I could be more like him!"

[boxbuster7]

I watched his latest video. Kid is trying to hard IMO. Buying $710 worth of cards hoping to flip for $885. LOL some kind of influencer.

[oplum29]

LOL

"This guy's a doosh but he makes lots of money. Wish I could be more like him!"

nobody said he was a doosh....those are your words

[oplum29]

I watched his latest video. Kid is trying to hard IMO. Buying $710 worth of cards hoping to flip for $885. LOL some kind of influencer.

yeah he does things like that that i honestly think is just a waste of time...but i also see $80K with a Discord that he created.

$80K......

[dizzy4111]

I watch his vids a few times a week and the main thing I like is he's not afraid to show his huge losses just as much as his wins.

He lost 10k+ on Ian Book because he's friends with Chase Claypool and took his advice on investing in his college QB :eek:. Stuff like that is what makes his channel endearing and stand out from the crowd.

Not to mention he's going to shows around the country every single week and uploading a video every day with high production value.

Lol I probably sound like I'm on his nuts but he's really the only sports card YT content that's worth checking for on the investor/flipper boi side of things.

[dizzy4111]

yeah he does things like that that i honestly think is just a waste of time...but i also see $80K with a Discord that he created.

$80K......

In fairness he just started the Discord a couple weeks ago so we'll see how it holds up but it seems to be jumpin from what I've seen.

[oplum29]

In fairness he just started the Discord a couple weeks ago so we'll see how it holds up but it seems to be jumpin from what I've seen.

yeah it has, big time. he was at 200 just a few days ago, now he's at 400.

again, assuming they pay the full $17 for the whole year, you are talking about him banking an easy $80K a year

[dizzy4111]

yeah it has, big time. he was at 200 just a few days ago, now he's at 400.

again, assuming they pay the full $17 for the whole year, you are talking about him banking an easy $80K a year

Yup. I'm not in there personally because I don't buy and sell enough modern stuff but I'm considering joining just to see

[oplum29]

I watch his vids a few times a week and the main thing I like is he's not afraid to show his huge losses just as much as his wins.

He lost 10k+ on Ian Book because he's friends with Chase Claypool and took his advice on investing in his college QB :eek:. Stuff like that is what makes his channel endearing and stand out from the crowd.

Not to mention he's going to shows around the country every single week and uploading a video every day with high production value.

Lol I probably sound like I'm on his nuts but he's really the only sports card YT content that's worth checking for on the investor/flipper boi side of things.

i like his daily uploads too. i just don't like some of the deals he makes, because i think some of them just aren't realistic. or for every "i'll pay 60% of comps", there are probably 10 that are like, hell no!

also don't like that he sells this idea that he's traveling all around the country because sports cards...that's 100% a lie. the kid is loaded with $$$, but he's almost selling this fantasy that he can stay 3-4 nights in NY, then Vegas, then Nashville, then Chicago, flying and eating sushi and steaks, and drinking every night because he's buying and selling Jordan Love and Tua cards.

no, he's got money.

[brev87]

Yall some haters. He makes his money from producing music, the card selling is his second hustle. Stop hating on other people's hustle, it's like yall counting someone else's pockets.

He's doing him, do you and get money if that's your thing.

[kobemagee29]

Yall some haters. He makes his money from producing music, the card selling is his second hustle. Stop hating on other people's hustle, it's like yall counting someone else's pockets.

He's doing him, do you and get money if that's your thing.

I'm not sure I'd call it hustle, but maybe just get a real job, lol

[brev87]

I'm not sure I'd call it hustle, but maybe just get a real job, lol

Did you read my post? He does music as a real job. That's the problem, people think it's all about what they like most and what they see in the videos he posts about sports cards. All of that music in his videos is HIS produced music.

[kobemagee29]

Did you read my post? He does music as a real job. That's the problem, people think it's all about what they like most and what they see in the videos he posts about sports cards. All of that music in his videos is HIS produced music.

Sorry, I have better things to waste my time with

[oplum29]

Yall some haters. He makes his money from producing music, the card selling is his second hustle. Stop hating on other people's hustle, it's like yall counting someone else's pockets.

He's doing him, do you and get money if that's your thing.

how am i hating on him? i gave him his plugs for being a smart guy, a hustler, a worker, and making some serious bank with his Discord stuff.

but at the same time, don't trick people and say that the card stuff is "how you make your money" when it's 100% not true. it's not even a hobby, it's a side hustle.

it's the same way people feel when someone actually collects and play Pokemon, and then you've got people coming into their hobby, and buying just to pull expensive cards out, grade, and resell.

shop owners aren't going to complain who buys their stuff, but at the same time, you know it's not with the right intentions, if that makes sense.

kinda like what Vegas Dave did with the Trout and Carr cards. he wasn't a fan of that stuff, he was a straight up flipper. he made his money, good for him. he set the bar even higher on those cards, but was it good for the hobby? was it good for collectors? look at the market now. look at prices. who has been saying for a couple of years that the market is going to crash? the same dude who bragged when he sold his Trout for a $1M bucks.

[Siblix181]

how am i hating on him? i gave him his plugs for being a smart guy, a hustler, a worker, and making some serious bank with his Discord stuff.

but at the same time, don't trick people and say that the card stuff is "how you make your money" when it's 100% not true. it's not even a hobby, it's a side hustle.

it's the same way people feel when someone actually collects and play Pokemon, and then you've got people coming into their hobby, and buying just to pull expensive cards out, grade, and resell.

shop owners aren't going to complain who buys their stuff, but at the same time, you know it's not with the right intentions, if that makes sense.

kinda like what Vegas Dave did with the Trout and Carr cards. he wasn't a fan of that stuff, he was a straight up flipper. he made his money, good for him. he set the bar even higher on those cards, but was it good for the hobby? was it good for collectors? look at the market now. look at prices. who has been saying for a couple of years that the market is going to crash? the same dude who bragged when he sold his Trout for a $1M bucks.

none of this makes sense.

[boxbuster7]

how am i hating on him? i gave him his plugs for being a smart guy, a hustler, a worker, and making some serious bank with his Discord stuff.

but at the same time, don't trick people and say that the card stuff is "how you make your money" when it's 100% not true. it's not even a hobby, it's a side hustle.

it's the same way people feel when someone actually collects and play Pokemon, and then you've got people coming into their hobby, and buying just to pull expensive cards out, grade, and resell.

shop owners aren't going to complain who buys their stuff, but at the same time, you know it's not with the right intentions, if that makes sense.

kinda like what Vegas Dave did with the Trout and Carr cards. he wasn't a fan of that stuff, he was a straight up flipper. he made his money, good for him. he set the bar even higher on those cards, but was it good for the hobby? was it good for collectors? look at the market now. look at prices. who has been saying for a couple of years that the market is going to crash? the same dude who bragged when he sold his Trout for a $1M bucks.

if anything you were complementary of him.

[brev87]

Sorry, I have better things to waste my time with

Like, answering my posts. Cool

[brev87]

how am i hating on him? i gave him his plugs for being a smart guy, a hustler, a worker, and making some serious bank with his Discord stuff.

but at the same time, don't trick people and say that the card stuff is "how you make your money" when it's 100% not true. it's not even a hobby, it's a side hustle.

it's the same way people feel when someone actually collects and play Pokemon, and then you've got people coming into their hobby, and buying just to pull expensive cards out, grade, and resell.

shop owners aren't going to complain who buys their stuff, but at the same time, you know it's not with the right intentions, if that makes sense.

kinda like what Vegas Dave did with the Trout and Carr cards. he wasn't a fan of that stuff, he was a straight up flipper. he made his money, good for him. he set the bar even higher on those cards, but was it good for the hobby? was it good for collectors? look at the market now. look at prices. who has been saying for a couple of years that the market is going to crash? the same dude who bragged when he sold his Trout for a $1M bucks.

I never said you specifically was hating on the kid. In my opinion, I don't think he's ever said "this is how I make my money". I could be wrong about that though.

[oplum29]

I never said you specifically was hating on the kid. In my opinion, I don't think he's ever said "this is how I make my money". I could be wrong about that though.

he has said that in a lot of his vlogs "this is how we make our money", that the card business is what is paying for all their stuff.

and it is absolutely 100% a lie.

there is no way that buying and selling Tua, Tatum, Pickett, Kabooms, or Downtowns are paying for all the stuff he's doing in those videos.

the dude has money...some serious money. but he keeps telling people that his entire business is cards. and to me, that's wrong, because you are creating this false illusion that people can quit their jobs right now, and somehow be able to go fly across the country to card shows, eat sushi and drink up every night, and buy and sell cards only.

like Roth, i like his videos too, but there's no way he's buying $10K-20K worth of cards, with just card money. these dudes have funds. at least Geoff is honest about his job, which gives him the opportunities to go buy a Desmond Ridder for $23K lol

[pejc300]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmBVWpyiJww

Lmao he made a video specifically about the haters in here

Late to the party on this, but just watched this and saw him give a Tyrese Maxey Optic BGS 8.5 to his bartender as a gift. Worth $3 conservatively. So nice of him.

[oplum29]

in today's video, Justin showed that he made a quick deal on his Discord.

a gold Kaboom with recent comps of: $460, 535, and 600. Justin valued the card at $500, offer $400, closed the deal for $415

mind you again, what the recent comps were, and what they average out to $530. that's comps. and Justin got the card for $415

again, i understand, it's your card, do whatever you want. but i seriously doubt, this stuff is happening at card shops or shows around the country (unless the seller is a flipper himself and doesn't care).

if i walked into a shop and said, "i see your card is valued at $535...well i'm gonna value it at $500 myself, so i will offer you $400", i would get laughed out of the shop.

[jmarascojr]

I'm wondering if all that traveling and hotel rooms is good for his service dog....

I legit caught myself watching his last couple of videos, making deals, traveling, partying/drinking and wondering where his dog was the whole time...

:coffee::coffee::coffee:

[mc1]

in today's video, Justin showed that he made a quick deal on his Discord.

a gold Kaboom with recent comps of: $460, 535, and 600. Justin valued the card at $500, offer $400, closed the deal for $415

mind you again, what the recent comps were, and what they average out to $530. that's comps. and Justin got the card for $415

again, i understand, it's your card, do whatever you want. but i seriously doubt, this stuff is happening at card shops or shows around the country (unless the seller is a flipper himself and doesn't care).

if i walked into a shop and said, "i see your card is valued at $535...well i'm gonna value it at $500 myself, so i will offer you $400", i would get laughed out of the shop.

Cash is king. My LCS would definitely sell a $500 card for $400 without thinking twice.

[packman80]

in today's video, Justin showed that he made a quick deal on his Discord.

a gold Kaboom with recent comps of: $460, 535, and 600. Justin valued the card at $500, offer $400, closed the deal for $415

mind you again, what the recent comps were, and what they average out to $530. that's comps. and Justin got the card for $415

again, i understand, it's your card, do whatever you want. but i seriously doubt, this stuff is happening at card shops or shows around the country (unless the seller is a flipper himself and doesn't care).

if i walked into a shop and said, "i see your card is valued at $535...well i'm gonna value it at $500 myself, so i will offer you $400", i would get laughed out of the shop.

So lets say the card sells on ebay for 530 you pay near $75 in fees on that sale. so you end up with $455 So would you pass up selling it for $415 and give up a extra 40 bucks if you had a buyer with cash in hand? I think most would.

[auctionjmm]

in today's video, Justin showed that he made a quick deal on his Discord.

a gold Kaboom with recent comps of: $460, 535, and 600. Justin valued the card at $500, offer $400, closed the deal for $415

mind you again, what the recent comps were, and what they average out to $530. that's comps. and Justin got the card for $415

again, i understand, it's your card, do whatever you want. but i seriously doubt, this stuff is happening at card shops or shows around the country (unless the seller is a flipper himself and doesn't care).

if i walked into a shop and said, "i see your card is valued at $535...well i'm gonna value it at $500 myself, so i will offer you $400", i would get laughed out of the shop.

Have you tried? I ask that earnestly. You can walk into a lot of shows and LCS' with 10-20k cash and walk out with more than enough to pay your bills for a month. Never assume that the dealer/shop owner has his money right and can afford to stand pat on a price. I've witnessed plenty of "selling out" at shows. When you see a dealer leaving the show with no inventory at 10am, I guarantee that it was a deal that benefitted the buyer. Maybe these guys have other revenue sources as you've indicated, but the idea of quitting your job to flip cards is very realistic IF you have the seed money to start. It may be a form of bullying to some, but if you are good at profiling at a show, there is always a dealer somewhere in the room ready to walk away from his table for the right price. The amount of cash you have on hand and the time you have to process the inventory will dictate if you can make this a living. Finding the deals are easy. It's the cash and workload that has to be considered.

[gomiamigo]

Dealer doesn't have to be desperate for cash to sell his table full of inventory, either.

Maybe he's just happy to get a no-risk, I'll invent a number, $12k and he can go enjoy the show or watch his kids' games or go play golf.

I've seen guys do it who I personally know weren't desperate to sell. But it was easy cash so they did.

99.9% of 'new' to the hobby guys won't be able to make a living trying this though.

[GaslampSports]

A month later...anyone have any different takes on Mr. Gamble Gamble? I must say - his videos are entertaining (maybe because I'm around the same age as him) although I can see why some wouldn't be interested in his type of content

[discodanman45]

One influencer that I appreciate how he changed his public views in the hobby is Gary Vee. He is doing his weird cartoon stuff, but he is still collecting sports cards. However, he does this without pumping them or showing them off. He mentions still collecting sports cards at around 48 seconds in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-oUkBkacQM

[boxbuster7]

Gary Vee is the biggest pumper in the history of pumping

see: NBA top shot, Candy Digital

[discodanman45]

Gary Vee is the biggest pumper in the history of pumping

He is out of pumping sports cards though and is still buying. Just glad we don't see him and his pumper bois with George Gervin rookies.

[boxbuster7]

He is out of pumping sports cards though and is still buying. Just glad we don't see him and his pumper bois with George Gervin rookies.

He is responsible for the Geoff Wilsons of the world. They probably would not exist if he did not come before them. His step children are youtube influencers

[SupermanBrandon]

He was pumping graded sealed CDs at the National


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[discodanman45]

He was pumping graded sealed CDs at the National

I appreciate that. Keep all the attention away from cards. Keep the flippers doing their own thing. Hope he is pumping graded Happy Meal Toys next National.

[cholodolo]

Gary Vee is the biggest pumper in the history of pumping

see: NBA top shot, Candy Digital

AFRICA is an untapped, emerging card market...book it!

[Stackfan]

It's all click bait, it's all smoke and mirrors, it's all about growing their brand, and network; and less about helping the hobby & being transparent. (At least those types of youtubers, not all)

I see all these videos; like i paid/sold 20K, 30K, 50K for X...... then you watch the video; it's mostly a trade with a bit of cash. Then 2-4 weeks later, they trade / sell those cards in another video. Rinse and repeat.

Growing a PC collection , i guess isn't great YT content; but a majority of YT'ers have the same type of videos; over and over. To be fair, it's not easy being creative and coming up with interesting content. Would just be nice to see less click bait type videos.

The other sad part of it, is now these YT'ers (some better than others) are the voice of the hobby. They influence. I stress they aren't all bad; but some/most have less than 5 years experience. They were the one's who got crushed when the market sank. Even folks with 20-30 years experience, can be dated; so you kinda gotta find the right mix; and do your own research to start.

[cholodolo]

Bump given the news that he was running his own scam.

Our own Dan the Card Man has been all over it with good coverage.

[jstephens24]

Bump given the news that he was running his own scam.

Our own Dan the Card Man has been all over it with good coverage.

i thought about bumping this thread about gamble too

[jcardstore]

Have you tried? I ask that earnestly. You can walk into a lot of shows and LCS' with 10-20k cash and walk out with more than enough to pay your bills for a month. Never assume that the dealer/shop owner has his money right and can afford to stand pat on a price. I've witnessed plenty of "selling out" at shows. When you see a dealer leaving the show with no inventory at 10am, I guarantee that it was a deal that benefitted the buyer. Maybe these guys have other revenue sources as you've indicated, but the idea of quitting your job to flip cards is very realistic IF you have the seed money to start. It may be a form of bullying to some, but if you are good at profiling at a show, there is always a dealer somewhere in the room ready to walk away from his table for the right price. The amount of cash you have on hand and the time you have to process the inventory will dictate if you can make this a living. Finding the deals are easy. It's the cash and workload that has to be considered.

It's not even remotely realistic for 99.99% of people so no...

[discodanman45]

The best way to make money in this hobby is to become a social media "celebrity" and then rip off the people who think you are a celebrity. Not only will the people that get ripped off will enjoy the experience, but they will also defend you against the scams they fell victim to.

[boxbuster7]

that gamble guy is annoying. can't believe people can actually stomach his content.

[fabiani12333]

The best way to make money in this hobby is to become a social media "celebrity" and then rip off the people who think you are a celebrity. Not only will the people that get ripped off will enjoy the experience, but they will also defend you against the scams they fell victim to.

It seems like there are plenty of young, male simps willing to get scammed by fly-by-night social media influencers. It's sad that so many young people are lost and need proper guidance.

[fabiani12333]

that gamble guy is annoying. can't believe people can actually stomach his content.

Young men want to be him. It's sad but true.

[discodanman45]

One day we will see a scammer like gamble gamble being beat up at a card show by someone they ripped off. Can't believe we haven't seen this already.

Can't wait to see one of these people being put into handcuffs. I know it won't happen, but I can dream.

[bryanscs]

Bump given the news that he was running his own scam.

Our own Dan the Card Man has been all over it with good coverage.

Is there a thread on this?

[cholodolo]

Is there a thread on this?

No, he has a YT channel. Top 3 in the industry for me.

https://www.youtube.com/@DanTheCardMan2

[JumpshotMcGavin]

No, he has a YT channel. Top 3 in the industry for me.

https://www.youtube.com/@DanTheCardMan2

And an Aussie too! lol...

[bigdog2003]

The best way to make money in this hobby is to become a social media "celebrity" and then rip off the people who think you are a celebrity. Not only will the people that get ripped off will enjoy the experience, but they will also defend you against the scams they fell victim to.

That and setting up private discord groups where you reveal your "secrets" for flipping sports cards.

[Archangel1775]

He was pumping graded sealed CDs at the National


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Young bucks dont even know what a CD is so it could be a decent investment long term

[Nomad]

that gamble guy is annoying. can't believe people can actually stomach his content.

at least he's not comparing himself to be Nelson Mandela

[tconte]

It was a matter of time for Gamble. Looked phony from the start.
His childish laugh and circle of stooges was for good amusement. Most times I was
watching laughing at him, not with him.

[messier2]

Who's left from the original group of influencers that popped up in 2020?

[Nomad]

They all are, at least the ones I watched back in 21 on yt.

Jin + Juice
Geoffrey
Packman
that dude who always cracking slabs and saying "get it"
that guy who sets up his mid-range Kobes in Boston
the one who loves that semi-forgotten Sacramento Kings player
Chi City Pulls
Hitman Rips

[GaslampSports]

He is the future of the industry

[GaslampSports]

Hope no one took me seriously btw ^

[auctionjmm]

It's not even remotely realistic for 99.99% of people so no...

I clearly said IF you have the seed money to start. And I'm not talking about a 250k/yr anesthesiologist quitting their job. I'm talking about middle income 35k-55k types of people. Assuming they already have a good grasp on the card market, they could do a lot of damage at a show with 20k cash and match whatever wage they were previously making. Seed money is the biggest barrier.

[YayNJ]

I know a lot of people love him, but that Packman fella just really grates. I remember seeing a few of his early videos and he had no idea what he was doing or what he was looking at opening packs.

Next minute, I see he's some kind of hobby poster boy going up and down the country getting on stage and opening six figure boxes for shits and giggles.

WTF

[discodanman45]

I know a lot of people love him, but that Packman fella just really grates. I remember seeing a few of his early videos and he had no idea what he was doing or what he was looking at opening packs.

Next minute, I see he's some kind of hobby poster boy going up and down the country getting on stage and opening six figure boxes for shits and giggles.

WTF

If he becomes any more successful, he might get sued for copyright issues with his use of modified Pac Man logos which he sells for profit.

[messier2]

Influencers struggling for content! Lol!

[discodanman45]

Influencers struggling for content! Lol!

All the "investors" that are still around, now identify as "collectors." :doh:

[bravesfan#1]

Rothcards spent the summer hyping Ridder, Pickett, Fields, and Howell. One of his newer videos had him running around the Nashville show buying Purdy. Yeesh.

[duron]

Rothcards spent the summer hyping Ridder, Pickett, Fields, and Howell. One of his newer videos had him running around the Nashville show buying Purdy. Yeesh.

https://media.tenor.com/t6w2jqxVdm0AAAAC/lets-get-it-lets-do-it.gif

[jmarascojr]

Rothcards spent the summer hyping Ridder, Pickett, Fields, and Howell. One of his newer videos had him running around the Nashville show buying Purdy. Yeesh.

He pawned that one Ridder off on SportsCardInvestor, he'll forever be winning on that one alone :D:D:D

His Fields' shoulda been gone at The National, if he held past that, he got greedy...

Howell, he keeps saying he's PC, but then 5 minutes later there goes another on out the door in a trade or sale.... :rolleyes:

[oldgoldy97]

Is this still the $100 billion industry Fanatics bet on?

[tconte]

He pawned that one Ridder off on SportsCardInvestor, he'll forever be winning on that one alone :D:D:D

His Fields' shoulda been gone at The National, if he held past that, he got greedy...

Howell, he keeps saying he's PC, but then 5 minutes later there goes another on out the door in a trade or sale.... :rolleyes:

You got to grind and put the work in. Sell a card and move on to the next
one. That's what we do!

[thenightman]

lkqnTcKRJC8

I like this guy. The loud talking, the highlighters, the way he pronounces "Geoff" as "Gee-off". This guy is gold.

[oplum29]

i lost touch with Justin Gamble Gamble, idk why, his videos just felt too unrealistic after a while, especially knowing he's essentially full of it.

the dude has money, idk how he got it, but he's got money. him saying "this is how we make money" was a flat out 100% lie.

i used to watch his videos all the time, every day, i love his grind.

at one point, he was selling a sweater they made, and what should have been a $40-50 sweater, was something like $150.

i think that's when i just said that this dude is full of crap. a snake oil salesman.

idk, but i popped onto YouTube the other day just to see how he was doing, and all of a sudden i'm seeing some scandal about repacks that he was selling.

oh Justin Justin. i remember the video he made in response to this thread and he told us, and i quote "go f*ck yourself".

dude was selling $1000 repacks with $60 cards inside of them. his Discord at $17 a month is now free, and he stopped posting.

not hoping or wishing anybody bad, but i think as a lot of people here have said, that he was never a fan of sports cards. he was never a collector, he just jumped in to make some money. he never cared about cards, he cared about looking successful i guess.

[oplum29]

i went back and saw the live streams he did, the videos that Dan the Card Man brought to light....good gracious, they are terrible.

people actually spent $650 for a box to pull a $150 autographed card. or $1150 for a Christian Watson NT rookie patch auto. or $600 for a Rodgers Downtown card that sells for $250.

a "juiced" box ran for $400 and you're pulling green pulsar prizm rookie of Jamar Chase.

just absolutely terrible.

[drobfan8]

lkqnTcKRJC8

I like this guy. The loud talking, the highlighters, the way he pronounces "Geoff" as "Gee-off". This guy is gold.

This guy seems like a douche also.

Notice how they can never keep Geoff's name out their mouths.

It's desperation at its finest.

[drobfan8]

i lost touch with Justin Gamble Gamble, idk why, his videos just felt too unrealistic after a while, especially knowing he's essentially full of it.

the dude has money, idk how he got it, but he's got money. him saying "this is how we make money" was a flat out 100% lie.

i used to watch his videos all the time, every day, i love his grind.

at one point, he was selling a sweater they made, and what should have been a $40-50 sweater, was something like $150.

i think that's when i just said that this dude is full of crap. a snake oil salesman.

idk, but i popped onto YouTube the other day just to see how he was doing, and all of a sudden i'm seeing some scandal about repacks that he was selling.

oh Justin Justin. i remember the video he made in response to this thread and he told us, and i quote "go f*ck yourself".

dude was selling $1000 repacks with $60 cards inside of them. his Discord at $17 a month is now free, and he stopped posting.

not hoping or wishing anybody bad, but i think as a lot of people here have said, that he was never a fan of sports cards. he was never a collector, he just jumped in to make some money. he never cared about cards, he cared about looking successful i guess.

When he tried to justify his terrible product, he showed his massive lack of knowledge. Comparing standard jersey cards to patch sales etc

I can't believe people were paying for his discord.


Different generation with some of these goofs that have Daddy or Mommy's money to play with. And what is that hideous song he tried to get out there. :doh:

[thenightman]

This guy seems like a douche also.

Notice how they can never keep Geoff's name out their mouths.

It's desperation at its finest.

I’m no Stan, but that’s one video. I’ve seen quite a few more and hasn’t mentioned Geoff once.

[jmarascojr]

At the "height" of the "craziness" I had about 5-10 "influencers" saved in my YouTube, gave me something to watch in between work calls.

SCI, SCR, Roth, Kenneth, Gamble Gamble, CC2, SashaT, etc etc etc.

I think CC2 is the only one posting shows/deals content on the regular anymore, go figure...

[boxbuster7]

At the "height" of the "craziness" I had about 5-10 "influencers" saved in my YouTube, gave me something to watch in between work calls.

SCI, SCR, Roth, Kenneth, Gamble Gamble, CC2, SashaT, etc etc etc.

I think CC2 is the only one posting shows/deals content on the regular anymore, go figure...

Probably cause the rest of them want people to think the hobby is still growing :rolleyes:

[fabiani12333]

At the "height" of the "craziness" I had about 5-10 "influencers" saved in my YouTube, gave me something to watch in between work calls.

SCI, SCR, Roth, Kenneth, Gamble Gamble, CC2, SashaT, etc etc etc.

I think CC2 is the only one posting shows/deals content on the regular anymore, go figure...

Speaks volumes.

There has been a steep drop in interest in the hobby over the last couple of years due to the bear market. This has translated into lower viewership counts. Ad rates have also dropped, making content less financially viable.

The tactics and strategies of the hobby grifters -- ahem, I mean the hobby influencers -- don't work as well as they did during the bull market. SCI, for example, has transitioned from giving investment advice to content more geared towards collectors and hobbyists.

Even SCR has primarily shifted toward doing live streams. They rarely produce 10 minute videos on different topics anymore.

The hobby is steadily regressing back to what it was. Only the group breakers seem to be the holdovers.

[nabzy28]

Speaks volumes.

There has been a steep drop in interest in the hobby over the last couple of years due to the bull market.
....

Only the group breakers seem to be the holdovers.

I've been checking in on the some of the live feeds of some breakers that I hadn't watched in a while. It sure looks like they are struggling to fill a lot of the low to mid level product breaks, now. While I'm sure there are still a decent amount of the 'pick your team' people out there, taking up spots in those type of breaks, the general random stuff seems spotty at best. Incentives being added to get people to buy spots kind of stuff. Boxes are still way too high.

[boxbuster7]

I've been checking in on the some of the live feeds of some breakers that I hadn't watched in a while. It sure looks like they are struggling to fill a lot of the low to mid level product breaks, now. While I'm sure there are still a decent amount of the 'pick your team' people out there, taking up spots in those type of breaks, the general random stuff seems spotty at best. Incentives being added to get people to buy spots kind of stuff. Boxes are still way too high.

Good...breakers are the reason most of us got priced out of wax

[drobfan8]

Speaks volumes.

There has been a steep drop in interest in the hobby over the last couple of years due to the bull market. This has translated into lower viewership counts. Ad rates have also dropped, making content less financially viable.

The tactics and strategies of the hobby grifters -- ahem, I mean the hobby influencers -- don't work as well as they did during the bull market. SCI, for example, has transitioned from giving investment advice to content more geared towards collectors and hobbyists.

Even SCR has primarily shifted toward doing live streams. They rarely produce 10 minute videos on different topics anymore.

The hobby is steadily regressing back to what it was. Only the group breakers seem to be the holdovers.

The drop hasn't been that steep seeing as the Hobby has still grown a crapload since 3 years ago.

We never used to even have a card show in Australia. Now there's multiple each year.

Also never had card shops since the 90s. Now there's multiple in every major city.

Also could never find packs in stores. Now you can.

The Hobby looks pretty healthy. It's not all doom and gloom.

[boxbuster7]

The drop hasn't been that steep seeing as the Hobby has still grown a crapload since 3 years ago.

We never used to even have a card show in Australia. Now there's multiple each year.

Also never had card shops since the 90s. Now there's multiple in every major city.

Also could never find packs in stores. Now you can.

The Hobby looks pretty healthy. It's not all doom and gloom.

That is great for overseas collectors but an entirely different subject than what is being discussed imo

[minnesotachill]

With the unproven QBs like Ridder, Howell and Pickett being hyped to the moon by the influences, I can't even imagine what CJ Stroud cards will be priced at this summer.

[cholodolo]

The drop hasn't been that steep seeing as the Hobby has still grown a crapload since 3 years ago.

We never used to even have a card show in Australia. Now there's multiple each year.

Also never had card shops since the 90s. Now there's multiple in every major city.

Also could never find packs in stores. Now you can.

The Hobby looks pretty healthy. It's not all doom and gloom.

Completely irrelevant perspective. My understanding is the hobby is quite cost prohibitive for those in Australia -- given everything must be shipped halfway across the globe.

Apples to mules when speaking of the American or Canadian experience.

[ninjacookies]

I can't even imagine what CJ Stroud cards will be priced at this summer.

His inevitable turnover regression streak will hit his investors harder than Will@the Oscars.

Also see; Purdy.

I certainly don't understand the mentality to buy at unsustainable peaks, but it's a phenomenon that's both required and eternal in these prospecting formats.

As always, buy who you actually like and watch. You may lose money, but you won't lose the enjoyment.

[fabiani12333]

His inevitable turnover regression streak will hit his investors harder than Will@the Oscars.

Also see; Purdy.

I certainly don't understand the mentality to buy at unsustainable peaks, but it's a phenomenon that's both required and eternal in these prospecting formats.

As always, buy who you actually like and watch. You may lose money, but you won't lose the enjoyment.

Those buying at peaks are betting they aren't the peaks. They are hoping to flip for a profit within a short time frame -- it's cyclical.

But it's a steadily diminishing strategy due to the steady drop in liquidity in the hobby. Hence the concentration and focus on fewer and fewer players.

[fabiani12333]

The drop hasn't been that steep seeing as the Hobby has still grown a crapload since 3 years ago.

We never used to even have a card show in Australia. Now there's multiple each year.

Also never had card shops since the 90s. Now there's multiple in every major city.

Also could never find packs in stores. Now you can.

The Hobby looks pretty healthy. It's not all doom and gloom.

What you're describing is a market that was previously neglected and finally growing and maturing -- it's different than the unsustainable market bubble experienced in the US.

[ninjacookies]

Those buying at peaks are betting they aren't the peaks. They are hoping to flip for a profit within a short time frame -- it's cyclical.

But it's a steadily diminishing strategy due to the steady drop in liquidity in the hobby. Hence the concentration and focus on fewer and fewer players.

That's always the game. But like you said, liquidity has dwindled, meaning there's less money to go around for price spiking on guys outside of the top 10 or out-the-blue Can Thomas stories. Heck...there's less money for the GOATS...how in the heck does anyone expect demand for 1b's and c's to sustain?


Lavine and 95% of the rest of the NBA will become tomorrow's Finleys, Richmonds, Sprewells, and Gugliottas. Good players on the court, perhaps great - maybe even borderline HOFers -...but won't enter our future grandchildren's roundtable discussions. At the end of the day, those microfraction of players are the only ones that really matter once the hobby dust settles.

[drobfan8]

That is great for overseas collectors but an entirely different subject than what is being discussed imo

The point is, those constantly whining about the "health of the Hobby" or "how do we grow the Hobby" need to realise it has grown a ton. Looks very healthy in any country. Far healthier than what it was in the past. There's still a heap of money being spent, even with the flood of products Panini has pumped out.

Completely irrelevant perspective. My understanding is the hobby is quite cost prohibitive for those in Australia -- given everything must be shipped halfway across the globe.

Apples to mules when speaking of the American or Canadian experience.

Nope, not cost prohibitive at all. We've been using COMC for a decade or more. And before that, everyone had their ways of buying and then shipping it in a lot together. Places like SMC have made it even easier. The Hobby has been strong in Aus for 15 to 30 years on and off with some cooler periods.

What you're describing is a market that was previously neglected and finally growing and maturing -- it's different than the unsustainable market bubble experienced in the US.

Nope, I would say it was very much in line with the US. 90s collectors have always been a thing and also Exquisite. I'd say some have dropped off. But a crap load have come in during the modern period of Luka, Zion and Ja. It's pretty wild.


I really don't think too many "collectors" have dropped off. Only the "TopShot" kinda crowd that were flipping for easy profit when it was there. Now that you actually have to like cards, we're left with a bunch of people that do like cards.

It gets annoying when people act like it's the end of the Hobby just because the shonks have left.

[oplum29]

With the unproven QBs like Ridder, Howell and Pickett being hyped to the moon by the influences, I can't even imagine what CJ Stroud cards will be priced at this summer.

those influencers pumped the crap out of Herbert, Fields, and Burrow in the summer.

they pumped the crap out of Downtowns, Kabooms, and PSA 10 cards.

they made a mockery out of a hobby so many of us enjoy and got into for the pure collecting aspect of it. it was never a business for a lot of us. i never bought Joe Montana's to resell them. i bought him because he's my all-time favorite QB.

these dudes bought up to immediately flip, and in the process, jacked up prices to the moon, made their money, and left a lot of stupid people holding the bag on cards that will never turn a profit for them.

any football fan for example, knows that Herbert and Fields aren't worth whatever crazy amount of money they were asking. Burrow's ceiling is an MVP and a SB win, nothing more.

[drobfan8]

Dan the cardman has been putting out some good stuff.

I actually think Geoff has improved his content. T Pot has helped with that. Especially their stuff where they were buying a bunch of stuff for their shop. It was cool to see what people had.

Would like to see more of this kind of stuff.

CC2 does a good job of that also.

Hopefully we never see Gamble Gamble again.

[Scottish Punk]

That's always the game. But like you said, liquidity has dwindled, meaning there's less money to go around for price spiking on guys outside of the top 10 or out-the-blue Can Thomas stories. Heck...there's less money for the GOATS...how in the heck does anyone expect demand for 1b's and c's to sustain?


Lavine and 95% of the rest of the NBA will become tomorrow's Finleys, Richmonds, Sprewells, and Gugliottas. Good players on the court, perhaps great - maybe even borderline HOFers -...but won't enter our future grandchildren's roundtable discussions. At the end of the day, those microfraction of players are the only ones that really matter once the hobby dust settles.

I am finding myself doing more historical comparisons for sanity. Just like you stated, go back to draft 10 years ago. Where are the card prices on some of these guys? How many HOFers in the draft, how many hall of very good? Now pricing and hype on current draft. You usually see that there will be a chunk of guys being hyped will end up role players or less. At least one of the "generational" guys will top out at the hall of very good. Even the best player's prices will drop if he is just an "everyday HOFer". Only the select handful of people like Lebron, Curry, Giannis will retain value.

[cholodolo]

Nope, not cost prohibitive at all. We've been using COMC for a decade or more. And before that, everyone had their ways of buying and then shipping it in a lot together. Places like SMC have made it even easier. The Hobby has been strong in Aus for 15 to 30 years on and off with some cooler periods.


Hmm -- not cost prohibitive? Then why use SMC or COMC? That was my entire point. Australia is far, far removed from the North American experience. Dan the Card Man has repeatedly mentioned the cost of shipping cards home and that he only does so periodically. Very different from those of us who can have a card within 3 days.

Your point was more card shows and card shops in Australia means the hobby is "looking pretty healthy." Our point was that might be true for Australia.

Here we have people spending $300 a box and getting $15 worth of cards.

Must not be happening in Australia.

[ninjacookies]

I am finding myself doing more historical comparisons for sanity. Just like you stated, go back to draft 10 years ago. Where are the card prices on some of these guys? How many HOFers in the draft, how many hall of very good? Now pricing and hype on current draft. You usually see that there will be a chunk of guys being hyped will end up role players or less. At least one of the "generational" guys will top out at the hall of very good. Even the best player's prices will drop if he is just an "everyday HOFer". Only the select handful of people like Lebron, Curry, Giannis will retain value.

This.

There definitely can be hall of famers sprinkled in there. But we've seen countless examples of previous generation hall of famers (heck, even top 75) whose key cards can be found for comical prices. It's an extremely short list.

You have all-nba, MVP award winning guys currently like WB and Harden on 1st ballot paths that will have cards that pale in comparison to guys with 1/10th their experience or achievements.

The key difference to note is that the cost of prospecting now is nothing like it was even 10 years ago. The price of entry is astronomical and nonsensical, even if you figure in the cost of inflation. Top 5 cards of 'best under 25' dudes will set you back the price of a nice used luxury vehicle, perhaps even new. That was not the case back in the day.


Until that dynamic fades, I sense more bear market in the near future. It's just not a sustainable formula.

[drobfan8]

Hmm -- not cost prohibitive? Then why use SMC or COMC? That was my entire point. Australia is far, far removed from the North American experience. Dan the Card Man has repeatedly mentioned the cost of shipping cards home and that he only does so periodically. Very different from those of us who can have a card within 3 days.

Your point was more card shows and card shops in Australia means the hobby is "looking pretty healthy." Our point was that might be true for Australia.

Here we have people spending $300 a box and getting $15 worth of cards.

Must not be happening in Australia.

Lol. Why do I need my card in my hand within 3 days? If it's for the collection it can sit at COMC or SMC. If it's with a plan to sell, it can still sit at those places.

How new are you to the Hobby? Box breaks have always been the biggest gamble. Literally nothing has changed there other than the gap has just widened further between hitting the jackpot or ending up with very little. If you're paying the wild prices for Hobby boxes right now, I hope you either like the set, or have plenty of money to burn.

As far as buying and selling, it's still better than many times in the past where selling was very tough.

People need to stop comparing prices to 2020 and go back to 2019.

Also, people need to stop acting like breaking is the be all and end all of the Hobby. That is not how 90% of people collect. Breaking is for fun or gambling.

[1980bust]

Here we have people spending $300 a box and getting $15 worth of cards.

Must not be happening in Australia.

Hardly the geographical hurdle you seemed intent on pointing out originally though? Ironically you're saying here that geography doesn't matter after all when it comes to getting dud returns from overpriced boxes.

The only thing cost prohibitive about spending $300 on a box and getting $15 worth of a return is being stupid enough to keep burning money doing that sort of thing, and then not having that same $300 to buy stuff you actually wanted.

So, not entirely sure what point you're actually trying make other than having cards in hand in 3 days? Which is kind of tragic if that's your entire argument here.

[cholodolo]

Lol. Why do I need my card in my hand within 3 days? If it's for the collection it can sit at COMC or SMC. If it's with a plan to sell, it can still sit at those places.

How new are you to the Hobby? Box breaks have always been the biggest gamble. Literally nothing has changed there other than the gap has just widened further between hitting the jackpot or ending up with very little. If you're paying the wild prices for Hobby boxes right now, I hope you either like the set, or have plenty of money to burn.

As far as buying and selling, it's still better than many times in the past where selling was very tough.

People need to stop comparing prices to 2020 and go back to 2019.

Also, people need to stop acting like breaking is the be all and end all of the Hobby. That is not how 90% of people collect. Breaking is for fun or gambling.

Honestly, I'm still trying to understand how your original point applies to anything discussed in this thread. Fabiani mentioned waning interest in the hobby -- which is undeniably true from what it's been the last 3 years.

You replied that the Hobby is healthy because in Australia:

- There were no card shows and now there are
- There were no card shops and now there are
- There were no packs in stores and now there are

At the risk of sounding redundant, this is not the experience of anyone in North America (outside of Summer 2020 with packs). We've always had shows, shops, and packs...there's just been a resurgence. Glad Australia has more hobby resources...not exactly a data point for any of us to use.

Hardly the geographical hurdle you seemed intent on pointing out originally though? Ironically you're saying here that geography doesn't matter after all when it comes to getting dud returns from overpriced boxes.

The only thing cost prohibitive about spending $300 on a box and getting $15 worth of a return is being stupid enough to keep burning money doing that sort of thing, and then not having that same $300 to buy stuff you actually wanted.

So, not entirely sure what point you're actually trying make other than having cards in hand in 3 days? Which is kind of tragic if that's your entire argument here.

No, it still does because from what I've seen the Aussies pay more for boxes. Could be wrong if the shops and importers are eating the cost along the way. Doubt it, though.

I guess the second post was a little unclear, but it isn't difficult to grasp that the Australian experience is very different from the rest of us out here.

Saying there are more card shops in Australia doesn't make collectors in Seattle or Toronto happy with the trajectory of the hobby. It's a non-sequitur when Fabiani also mentioned changing content etc. He was speaking of the larger hobby ecosystem.

Ironically, the Aussie was making the point that they have access to getting hosed like the rest of us, so the hobby is healthy. Not quite.

[drobfan8]

Honestly, I'm still trying to understand how your original point applies to anything discussed in this thread. Fabiani mentioned waning interest in the hobby -- which is undeniably true from what it's been the last 3 years.

You replied that the Hobby is healthy because in Australia:

- There were no card shows and now there are
- There were no card shops and now there are
- There were no packs in stores and now there are

At the risk of sounding redundant, this is not the experience of anyone in North America (outside of Summer 2020 with packs). We've always had shows, shops, and packs...there's just been a resurgence. Glad Australia has more hobby resources...not exactly a data point for any of us to use.



No, it still does because from what I've seen the Aussies pay more for boxes. Could be wrong if the shops and importers are eating the cost along the way. Doubt it, though.

I guess the second post was a little unclear, but it isn't difficult to grasp that the Australian experience is very different from the rest of us out here.

Saying there are more card shops in Australia doesn't make collectors in Seattle or Toronto happy with the trajectory of the hobby. It's a non-sequitur when Fabiani also mentioned changing content etc. He was speaking of the larger hobby ecosystem.

Ironically, the Aussie was making the point that they have access to getting hosed like the rest of us, so the hobby is healthy. Not quite.

Seriously, how long have you been in the Hobby?

Are you another one of those that are peeved because you've lost money?

Even the shows in the good ol US and A are way busier than 3 years ago.

[Kobefan]

Maybe you guys are in disagreement because of the differences in your interest in regards to the hobby. drobfan8 seems to be more interested in the singles cards, so in his view, it's more accessible and cheaper than the pandemic prices, so it's healthy in his eyes. cholodolo seems to be more interested in the hobby boxes, so seeing that the values of the pulls have plunged, while the prices of the boxes have only dipped slightly (at least at a lower rate), makes it the worst time to be in the hobby for cracking hobby boxes.

[cholodolo]

Seriously, how long have you been in the Hobby?

Are you another one of those that are peeved because you've lost money?

Even the shows in the good ol US and A are way busier than 3 years ago.

Nice response.

Maybe you guys are in disagreement because of the differences in your interest in regards to the hobby. drobfan8 seems to be more interested in the singles cards, so in his view, it's more accessible and cheaper than the pandemic prices, so it's healthy in his eyes. cholodolo seems to be more interested in the hobby boxes, so seeing that the values of the pulls have plunged, while the prices of the boxes have only dipped slightly (at least at a lower rate), makes it the worst time to be in the hobby for cracking hobby boxes.

Not quite -- I've purchased one $130 hobby box in 18 months. I'm a singles buyer but understand that singles come from packs, and packs come from boxes.

If people aren't opening boxes, and are generally dissatisfied and stepping away (or reducing their participation) from the hobby, that means fewer cards for me and others looking. Even cards listed on eBay are getting less and less interesting and fewer in volume for my taste.

To each their own.

[boxbuster7]

Seriously, how long have you been in the Hobby?

Are you another one of those that are peeved because you've lost money?

Even the shows in the good ol US and A are way busier than 3 years ago.

This is untrue.

Are there more shows, sure? But if you followed the "observations from a recent show" thread in the baseball forum, many shows have had very little foot traffic recently.

is the hobby more ubiquitous than it was 3 years ago? yes.

Is it in a better place? no.

[thenightman]

[/B]

This is untrue.

Are there more shows, sure? But if you followed the "observations from a recent show" thread in the baseball forum, many shows have had very little foot traffic recently.

is the hobby more ubiquitous than it was 3 years ago? yes.

Is it in a better place? no.

I went to the Dallas Card Show in September and found it to be boring. The same sellers, with the same cards, at the same prices from earlier this year; hell, probably longer.

I decided to skip the November show and I'll probably do the same in January too.

[oplum29]

I went to the Dallas Card Show in September and found it to be boring. The same sellers, with the same cards, at the same prices from earlier this year; hell, probably longer.

I decided to skip the November show and I'll probably do the same in January too.

bunch of kaboom, downtown, and rainbow colored cards? all new ultra-modern garbage?

[drobfan8]

Maybe you guys are in disagreement because of the differences in your interest in regards to the hobby. drobfan8 seems to be more interested in the singles cards, so in his view, it's more accessible and cheaper than the pandemic prices, so it's healthy in his eyes. cholodolo seems to be more interested in the hobby boxes, so seeing that the values of the pulls have plunged, while the prices of the boxes have only dipped slightly (at least at a lower rate), makes it the worst time to be in the hobby for cracking hobby boxes.

Well said.

Someone pointing out a $300 box and getting $15 back was very similar to why I never bothered breaking 10 years ago either. 15 years ago I was buying lots of boxes for fun, but the wrong stuff mostly. Although 97 Topps Chrome and Topps and 96 Fleer Ultra and 95 Flair at anywhere from $30 for Topps and $150 for Fleer ultra was worth the bust.

Singles are still coming down.

The doom and gloom is a bit overdone at this point. We've seen worse in the past.

[/B]

This is untrue.

Are there more shows, sure? But if you followed the "observations from a recent show" thread in the baseball forum, many shows have had very little foot traffic recently.

is the hobby more ubiquitous than it was 3 years ago? yes.

Is it in a better place? no.

Yet the National was never busier. There's even a Basketball Magazine again.

Is it in a better place than 3 years ago? Yes.

If you're actually about the Hobby and not your wallet. You're probably happy right now. Prices are coming down. People are selling off. Some of the scum bags have been found out.

I went to the Dallas Card Show in September and found it to be boring. The same sellers, with the same cards, at the same prices from earlier this year; hell, probably longer.

I decided to skip the November show and I'll probably do the same in January too.

Maybe open up as a seller and have new product to move? I know I'm thinking about doing that.

A lot of people only know from 18/19 Prizm onwards. And there would be so many sellers under water on their cards.

The Aussie shows aren't that great. A lot of junk Autos and Base. But it's still something.

[drobfan8]

Nice response.



Not quite -- I've purchased one $130 hobby box in 18 months. I'm a singles buyer but understand that singles come from packs, and packs come from boxes.

If people aren't opening boxes, and are generally dissatisfied and stepping away (or reducing their participation) from the hobby, that means fewer cards for me and others looking. Even cards listed on eBay are getting less and less interesting and fewer in volume for my taste.

To each their own.

You were the one that brought up the $300 box as your focus point.

Yes boxes are way too high. It's laughable. And totally unsustainable. What are you trying to collect that isn't being busted? Most if it looks rehashed or terrible.

There's a million singles on ebay every day and prices are down with more room to go down.

Not sure what you're complaining about at this stage.

And you can't answer the question. You seem new. Which is great. But get used to the cycle.

[cholodolo]

You were the one that brought up the $300 box as your focus point.

Yes boxes are way too high. It's laughable. And totally unsustainable. What are you trying to collect that isn't being busted? Most if it looks rehashed or terrible.

There's a million singles on ebay every day and prices are down with more room to go down.

Not sure what you're complaining about at this stage.

And you can't answer the question. You seem new. Which is great. But get used to the cycle.

$300 box is what we call an example -- do you have a brain injury or something? Why not give an example of your point of view? And it turns out you agree with me! If boxes are too high and its unsustainable...does that sound healthy to you? I mean, LOL. Read your own posts.

Nobody is complaining -- moreso informing you that your experience in Australia does not equate to what we have here. It's not complicated, really.

And answer what question? When I started collecting? When I was a kid...like most of the people here. Odd thing to be held up on. Even if I said 2021...you'd still be wrong.

[cholodolo]

Bringing this thread back on topic....our own Dan the Card Man has another good video about Sports Card Therapist being caught.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvHi-9XXGLY

Never liked this guy Rob Girard.

We have a licensed mental health professional feeding the junkies. Disgusting.

[fabiani12333]

If people aren't opening boxes, and are generally dissatisfied and stepping away (or reducing their participation) from the hobby, that means fewer cards for me and others looking. Even cards listed on eBay are getting less and less interesting and fewer in volume for my taste.

I've noticed this as well. The ultra-modern singles market isn't very strong right now. Something's got to give. Box prices can't stay high and in large volume with the quality, demand and resale values of singles being relatively low.

[drobfan8]

$300 box is what we call an example -- do you have a brain injury or something? Why not give an example of your point of view? And it turns out you agree with me! If boxes are too high and its unsustainable...does that sound healthy to you? I mean, LOL. Read your own posts.

Nobody is complaining -- moreso informing you that your experience in Australia does not equate to what we have here. It's not complicated, really.

And answer what question? When I started collecting? When I was a kid...like most of the people here. Odd thing to be held up on. Even if I said 2021...you'd still be wrong.

Lol.

You're definitely a Hobby vet. Because everyone asks a forum if they've ever had cards graded by PSA before amirite....:doh:

Yet I have the brain injury.

FYI I'm sure Panini feel the Hobby is healthy if they're still slinging $300 boxes to suckers with only $15 in value.

Here's a tip, don't buy the singles even if it's busted for you. It's not complicated really.

Enjoy our very own Dan the Card man.

[drobfan8]

Speaking of youtubers at card shows.

Has anyone got some tips on who to watch these days?

I like seeing deals made. What people have etc.

Keane is really decent to watch.

[duron]

Bringing this thread back on topic....our own Dan the Card Man has another good video about Sports Card Therapist being caught.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvHi-9XXGLY

Never liked this guy Rob Girard.

We have a licensed mental health professional feeding the junkies. Disgusting.

Wasn’t the theme of this guy’s content for a while about how he was consolidating his collection into a ‘51 Bowman? I think the easiest explanation for him wiping all content / socials is to save himself from ruining his own profession, but it might also have to do with covering his tracks on exactly how he “consolidated.”

[Kobefan]

Speaking of youtubers at card shows.

Has anyone got some tips on who to watch these days?

I like seeing deals made. What people have etc.

Keane is really decent to watch.

Chasing cardboard is the only one I watch.

[PLB9eight]

Chasing cardboard is the only one I watch.


Ugh. Ty almighty telling us who’s good and who’s bad.

[Kobefan]

Ugh. Ty almighty telling us who’s good and who’s bad.

Regardless, at least it's entertaining and doesn't look like it's by amateurs. Besides the watchdog influencers, are there influencers that are squeaky clean and entertaining as well?

[johnscards]

Regardless, at least it's entertaining and doesn't look like it's by amateurs. Besides the watchdog influencers, are there influencers that are squeaky clean and entertaining as well?

Cajun Cardboard :)!

[cholodolo]

I've noticed this as well. The ultra-modern singles market isn't very strong right now. Something's got to give. Box prices can't stay high and in large volume with the quality, demand and resale values of singles being relatively low.

Precisely. I feel like part of the issue is card companies are trying to do too much to meet the "demand" they are (or were) seeing. Of course, as we all knew, the demand for boxes and packs to open during Summer 2020 would not last. Too many head scratching parallel/card design decisions, mixed with the declining quality of the cards themselves (STICKER AUTOS EVERYWHERE)...doesn't lead to people paying MORE for boxes or singles.

I'm more looking for cards from 2012-2019 to come up and not seeing nearly as many. Sure some are tucked away safely into PCs...but others I hope are sitting in LCS inventory, or some bulk lot that hasn't been broken down.

Wasn’t the theme of this guy’s content for a while about how he was consolidating his collection into a ‘51 Bowman? I think the easiest explanation for him wiping all content / socials is to save himself from ruining his own profession, but it might also have to do with covering his tracks on exactly how he “consolidated.”

Yes, his "dream card". The whole "Sports Card Therapist" persona would have been fine if he was actually encouraging people to enjoy the hobby in a healthy way. Some of his initial episodes were along those lines. But things took a weird turn when he refused to have Geoff Wilson on due to the "outcry" from his listeners and commenters(around Summer 2021 if I recall correctly, all episodes are gone). Then, months later, he's doing videos with Geoff and acting like nothing is wrong. I wonder if he was given a little taste of "the club" and got wrapped up.

When I heard him discussing cards in the six figures...began to suspect something is rotten in the Kangaroo Court of hobby influencers. What type of therapist has that kind of dough?

[gomiamigo]

Bring back the days of rich celebs buying Trey Lance rookies for 100k.

[bigdog2003]

Bring back the days of rich celebs buying Trey Lance rookies for 100k.

It was fun selling stuff during that time. It's fun now buying stuff.

[oplum29]

so JGG is pretty much done with the hobby after telling us to "go F yourselves" for questioning his buying and selling methods a few months back.

after that fiasco with the repacks, he's pretty much done with daily loads on his YouTube channel, and has gone back to his original channel with daily uploads.

all that "this is how we make our money", were just lies. kid isn't fooling anybody.

how everything comes full circle.

i liked his card videos, they were fun to watch. seeing him throw all that money away on stupid downtowns and kabooms, or seeing him trying to snake his way with garbage repacks though...was just sad.

onto the next influencer i guess, if they are still around.

[nera20]

so JGG is pretty much done with the hobby after telling us to "go F yourselves" for questioning his buying and selling methods a few months back.

after that fiasco with the repacks, he's pretty much done with daily loads on his YouTube channel, and has gone back to his original channel with daily uploads.

all that "this is how we make our money", were just lies. kid isn't fooling anybody.

how everything comes full circle.

i liked his card videos, they were fun to watch. seeing him throw all that money away on stupid downtowns and kabooms, or seeing him trying to snake his way with garbage repacks though...was just sad.

onto the next influencer i guess, if they are still around.

which one is is JGG?

[fabiani12333]

which one is is JGG?

https://youtu.be/D4CbJPZFquc?si=W4yntFrX22YrtsBV

[oplum29]

which one is is JGG?

Justin Gamble Gamble...the same guy selling $385 "juiced" repacked boxes that held an Orange Wave Desmond Ridder #d to 60.

he called the card "gas".

one sold a few weeks back, PSA 10....for less than $90

[drobfan8]

So JGG is back. He seems tamer than before.

I like what SCV is doing. Although football is a different beast to basketball with the weekly games and wild cards etc

Geoff still puts out quality stuff when he's trading.

Stone chase have been fun also. Passionate Hobby guys I'll take all day.

I saw a video about how shows are just flippers running around offering 70% of comps so they can sell at 85%. Seems spot on.

I'm gonna make a call and say that prices are still way high. Panini are putting out trash so nobody is buying their new stuff. Which means we're buying up singles and older wax

If Fanatics hit the ground running, money will move there.

No wonder Jordan prices are spiking

[Nomad]

Someday people will look back and say

[oplum29]

So JGG is back. He seems tamer than before.

I like what SCV is doing. Although football is a different beast to basketball with the weekly games and wild cards etc

Geoff still puts out quality stuff when he's trading.

Stone chase have been fun also. Passionate Hobby guys I'll take all day.

I saw a video about how shows are just flippers running around offering 70% of comps so they can sell at 85%. Seems spot on.

I'm gonna make a call and say that prices are still way high. Panini are putting out trash so nobody is buying their new stuff. Which means we're buying up singles and older wax

If Fanatics hit the ground running, money will move there.

No wonder Jordan prices are spiking

yup saw that. i've always liked his videos, when he's doing card stuff, not bar hoping.

i like that he's showing more of his deals, the insides of what he does, and like you said, he seems a little more tamer (maybe humbled) now.

i also like watching Rothcards, always been a fan of his stuff. i like his messages, seems like a good dude.

[cholodolo]

yup saw that. i've always liked his videos, when he's doing card stuff, not bar hoping.

i like that he's showing more of his deals, the insides of what he does, and like you said, he seems a little more tamer (maybe humbled) now.

i also like watching Rothcards, always been a fan of his stuff. i like his messages, seems like a good dude.

So dude runs a scam on fellow collectors and you still show up to pump his tires...right on, man.

[messier2]

It's like someone gave JGG a "calming pill" or something! Amazing!

[oplum29]

So dude runs a scam on fellow collectors and you still show up to pump his tires...right on, man.

the people that bought his garbage aren't collectors, they are stupid uneducated card flippers who bought from an influencer who deceived them.

do i agree with anything he did? NO

he straight up scammed them. what i said is that i enjoy his videos, i think i said that in the first post i made. i watch card vloggers because it's part of a hobby i enjoy. but i don't buy into their garbage, especially when they have dad's money to play with and spend money on.

[jmarascojr]

You should check JGG's other YT channel, his neighbor whooped his ass, might be part of the reason he "calmed down"

[duron]

Not sure if I’ve mentioned his YouTube channel before, but out of any vlogging dealer I’ve come across, the dude that seems the most normal is from Behind the Diamond.

Maybe I just haven’t seen a big enough variety, but it seems like “normal” is a rarity.

[boxbuster7]

You should check JGG's other YT channel, his neighbor whooped his ass, might be part of the reason he "calmed down"

Link us please...

[bigdog2003]

Link us please...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cZWCLpgZvw&t=486s

[hermanotarjeta]

Is this kind of like Victoria’s Secret models setting unrealistic expectations for those who wear undergarments?

[cholodolo]

the people that bought his garbage aren't collectors, they are stupid uneducated card flippers who bought from an influencer who deceived them.

do i agree with anything he did? NO

he straight up scammed them. what i said is that i enjoy his videos, i think i said that in the first post i made. i watch card vloggers because it's part of a hobby i enjoy. but i don't buy into their garbage, especially when they have dad's money to play with and spend money on.

Ah, so you're part of the bolded group, noted. Religiously watching his videos and publicly pumping him isn't too far from shelling out cash for his scam.

[boxbuster7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cZWCLpgZvw&t=486s

this gamble dude is so obnoxious. I legit need a shower after watching one of his vids.

[duron]

this gamble dude is so obnoxious. I legit need a shower after watching one of his vids.

Before you shower you should watch some footage of the Rothcards sidekick kid.

He has to be on speed.

[imbluestreak23]

this gamble dude is so obnoxious. I legit need a shower after watching one of his vids.

Wow. I watched 10 seconds and literally thought I was listening to a human from the movie Idiocracy.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3ov9jRK11az2m1qzRu/giphy.gif

[Nomad]

It's pretty easy to see through the influencers, don't you think? Collectors tend to be dweebs and know their conditions and peel presence.

[cholodolo]

It's pretty easy to see through the influencers, don't you think? Collectors tend to be dweebs and know their conditions and peel presence.

Except for you with your boyfriend Packman.

[Nomad]

So look we need to invite some women on the board. Cause I tell you, time for some collectors to come out of their basements.

[messier2]

this gamble dude is so obnoxious. I legit need a shower after watching one of his vids.

His ex-girlfriend is pretty bad too...glad they broke up!

Basically, "I'm a girl so give me a good deal ok?"

[fabiani12333]

His ex-girlfriend is pretty bad too...glad they broke up!

Basically, "I'm a girl so give me a good deal ok?"

Uh, I'd watch that. It could be funny.

Have hot young women try to haggle with middle-aged male dealers at trading card shows -- that's good content.

[Nomad]

His ex-girlfriend is pretty bad too...glad they broke up!

Basically, "I'm a girl so give me a good deal ok?"

Sorry, about whom are you referring? On behalf of gamlingdude I want to say that he probably has lived a life.

Take me. Haven't had a real gf in 6-7 years. Also never lived in a basement, thank god. Relationships can be joked about man, but it needs to be in the right spirit.

[boxbuster7]

Sorry, about whom are you referring? On behalf of gamlingdude I want to say that he probably has lived a life.

Take me. Haven't had a real gf in 6-7 years. Also never lived in a basement, thank god. Relationships can be joked about man, but it needs to be in the right spirit.

Gamble is a scammer. Don't defend Scammers.

[duron]

Another throat slit by nomad.

Do you guys even troll?

[Nomad]

At least SCV is honest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B5if-9VcoI) on his $50k loss: "What it comes down to, I'm a pretty young guy with zero people to answer to on this planet."

[boxbuster7]

Another throat slit by nomad.

Do you guys even troll?

I actually enjoy engaging with Nomad. He is a lot better than some members on this forum.

[duron]

I actually enjoy engaging with Nomad. He is a lot better than some members on this forum.

I have a shrine dedicated to him in my study.

[boxbuster7]

I have a shrine dedicated to him in my study.

we need an in depth analysis of ^ post

[Nomad]

Let's not get into shrines (or effigies) on the board, if don't mind.

Light up for Kobe. He will appreciate.

[oplum29]

Ah, so you're part of the bolded group, noted. Religiously watching his videos and publicly pumping him isn't too far from shelling out cash for his scam.

what are you talking about? when have i ever "pumped" this dude up?

i started this thread calling him out AND he even did a video about it and told us, and i quote...."go F yourself".

he told us that.

and yet, when he was busted for his scam, we called him out for it.

now, do i like his videos? yeah, i don't think i've ever denied that. but i also like watching just about any sports cards blogger video that isn't 20 minutes long either.

[cholodolo]

what are you talking about? when have i ever "pumped" this dude up?

i started this thread calling him out AND he even did a video about it and told us, and i quote...."go F yourself".

he told us that.

and yet, when he was busted for his scam, we called him out for it.

now, do i like his videos? yeah, i don't think i've ever denied that. but i also like watching just about any sports cards blogger video that isn't 20 minutes long either.

Dude, this thread is you updating everyone on his life. You are his biggest fan and admirer on BO:


there's an up-and-coming youtuber named Justin Gamble Gamble. his videos are different, but they are a good watch.



i like Justin Gamble, his videos are solid...


i think Justin has done a pretty decent job of explaining himself with regards to the %. i honestly never thought this would catch his attention, that's pretty neat.


and he's really smart too.

he started up a Discord where they sell/buy/trade cards (much like here), except he charges $17 a month to use.

he's now up to 400 members on the paid Discord, so do the math real quick okay.

$17 a month X 12 months = $204 a year X 400 members= $ 81.6K

yes....just on his Discord alone, he's making $80K a year. that's insane!!! good for him. i've thought about joining it, i think i've got a better chance to selling my stuff there than on eBay or even here, but at $17 a month, idk. i think it's probably worth it.


i lost touch with Justin Gamble Gamble, idk why, his videos just felt too unrealistic after a while, especially knowing he's essentially full of it.

i used to watch his videos all the time, every day, i love his grind.


so JGG is pretty much done with the hobby after telling us to "go F yourselves" for questioning his buying and selling methods a few months back.

after that fiasco with the repacks, he's pretty much done with daily loads on his YouTube channel, and has gone back to his original channel with daily uploads.

i liked his card videos, they were fun to watch.

yup saw that. i've always liked his videos, when he's doing card stuff, not bar hoping.

i like that he's showing more of his deals, the insides of what he does, and like you said, he seems a little more tamer (maybe humbled) now.

[duron]

Thanks guys, now I can never unhear the justin gamble gamble intro.

Holy Schintzius.

[oplum29]

Dude, this thread is you updating everyone on his life. You are his biggest fan and admirer on BO:

JGG started his vlog i believe last year. he's a card vlogger, i like cards, i started watching.

i had questions about his buying methods, i asked a question. he kept doing things that puzzled me because he didn't seem genuine to the hobby that i've liked and been involved in for over 30 years.

he was called out for it, and he replied to us in a video that was averages 4K+ views per video. never thought it would catch his attention, never intended to. the dude isn't a sports cards guy, he's a guy that saw a chance to make money as a hobby, and he jumped in. most knowledgeable sports cards people know or have heard about BO, which he obviously didn't know about, because they told him about it.

i've also watched vlogs from CC2, Roth, and Geoff.

this thread had actually gone into hibernation until other members started posting about the scam he pulled. Justin was a classic example of a modern day influencer who came in, made good money, fooled a lot of dumb people, and then went away for a while. now he's back and making card videos again.

if there's another sports card vlogger you'd like to recommend to me, go for it.

[GOATcards]

JGG started his vlog i believe last year. he's a card vlogger, i like cards, i started watching.

i had questions about his buying methods, i asked a question. he kept doing things that puzzled me because he didn't seem genuine to the hobby that i've liked and been involved in for over 30 years.

he was called out for it, and he replied to us in a video that was averages 4K+ views per video. never thought it would catch his attention, never intended to. the dude isn't a sports cards guy, he's a guy that saw a chance to make money as a hobby, and he jumped in. most knowledgeable sports cards people know or have heard about BO, which he obviously didn't know about, because they told him about it.

i've also watched vlogs from CC2, Roth, and Geoff.

this thread had actually gone into hibernation until other members started posting about the scam he pulled. Justin was a classic example of a modern day influencer who came in, made good money, fooled a lot of dumb people, and then went away for a while. now he's back and making card videos again.

if there's another sports card vlogger you'd like to recommend to me, go for it.

so the postings that cholo quoted don't qualify as pumping the guy, which you appeared to deny (in question form) doing?

At least cholo has shown theirself capable of providing receipts that reasonably resemble their claims, so congrats to them. Hell, I like them.

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[Nomad]

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if there's another sports card vlogger you'd like to recommend to me, go for it.

I think some of the breakers are more informative, when you get down to it. Hitman keeps it real and I learn something. A few others. Even a couple of the corporate breakers. But then some are definitely in the upsell business.

But the real offenders are those that denigrate everything that's not what they consider a major hit. In other words, there are so many levels to collecting and so many timelines. A certain signature may not wow, but doesn't mean it's not without long term value. For one, more and more set collectors. For two, some players emerge much later. Who knew that Thaddeus Young prices would suddenly surge?

[oplum29]

I think some of the breakers are more informative, when you get down to it. Hitman keeps it real and I learn something. A few others. Even a couple of the corporate breakers. But then some are definitely in the upsell business.

But the real offenders are those that denigrate everything that's not what they consider a major hit. In other words, there are so many levels to collecting and so many timelines. A certain signature may not wow, but doesn't mean it's not without long term value. For one, more and more set collectors. For two, some players emerge much later. Who knew that Thaddeus Young prices would suddenly surge?

i enjoy Card Collector 2 vlogs here and there, and i like Rothcards too. just saw his recent video, but it was kinda crazy.

dude dropped something like $8K to make $500....idk about that

[hxcmilkshake]

I enjoy Bbases. I frequently DM him for advice, and we chat often about NBA combines, a definite area of his expertise

Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk

[cholodolo]

i enjoy Card Collector 2 vlogs here and there, and i like Rothcards too. just saw his recent video, but it was kinda crazy.

dude dropped something like $8K to make $500....idk about that

Maybe you should just take a seat on the end of the bench when it comes to recommending or discussing influencers.

[oplum29]

Maybe you should just take a seat on the end of the bench when it comes to recommending or discussing influencers.

never recommended anybody. read buddy.

[majestik101]

Jabs family is the worst