Goldin's Mild Description

[dengbang]

"The card displays a moderately circulated manner of appearance, with note to imperfections at the corner."

Saw this hard to find Jordan on Reddit in raw form...there's more than just corner imperfections, yet Goldin's description doesn't say anything about the surface or edges.

Here's the kicker...Goldin reached out to that owner to consign the card with them.

Isn't this a bit unethical?


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[kingofsnake]

Moderately circulated manner of appearance... Eff's sake.

[KhalDrogo]

I think anyone can see the card is beat to #@#@#@#@. Probably a 3-4? Anytime I see an authentic slab, I assume the grade is less than a 7 even if there’s no visible issue. I know not all feel that way. But people who slab authentic should realize that there are potential buyers who do.

So rare and awesome of a parallel, but the eye appeal just isn’t there.

[dengbang]

I think anyone can see the card is beat to #@#@#@#@. Probably a 3-4? Anytime I see an authentic slab, I assume the grade is less than a 7 even if there’s no visible issue. I know not all feel that way. But people who slab authentic should realize that there are potential buyers who do.



So rare and awesome of a parallel, but the eye appeal just isn’t there.The photo from Goldin doesn't show the edge wear that the owners raw photo shows. That's where the description is needed as photos don't tell the whole story. In this case Goldin downplayed the condition. Anyone looking at just the auction won't even know there's edge wear.

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[SupermanBrandon]

Wait...whut? Kenny G is the most ethical businessman in the hobby. Check my sig.

[KhalDrogo]

The photo from Goldin doesn't show the edge wear that the owners raw photo shows. That's where the description is needed as photos don't tell the whole story. In this case Goldin downplayed the condition. Anyone looking at just the auction won't even know there's edge wear.

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What edge wear are you talking about? In the slab, I can see it all along the right middle to lower border.

[boxbuster7]

psa authentic is a total scumbag move, especially when the card is autographed with a 10 grade. the fact that psa allows it says a lot about them.

ps: 2004 black diamond is the set that got me hooked onto cards!

[Ericc5Bears]

I mean, the corner damage is clear as day from the scans. It would be one thing if they didn't mention a crease or something that can get hidden by the slab but I don't really see any problem with this.

[boxbuster7]

I mean, the corner damage is clear as day from the scans. It would be one thing if they didn't mention a crease or something that can get hidden by the slab but I don't really see any problem with this.

do you work for goldin?

[Nomad]

I mean but 1/5 over grade any day, am I right?

[Ericc5Bears]

do you work for goldin?

No, but I guess unlike some people in this thread I have a pair of functioning eyeballs.

[dengbang]

No, but I guess unlike some people in this thread I have a pair of functioning eyeballs. We get it you don't see the problem. Just move on bud.

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[Ericc5Bears]

We get it you don't see the problem. Just move on bud.

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I replied to someone who quoted my message which is an incredibly normal thing to do on an online forum.

[dengbang]

I replied to someone who quoted my message which is an incredibly normal thing to do on an online forum.I understand, direct your message to them, don't say some people.

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[duron]

Don’t all these scummy consignment companies regularly use similar, minimizing wording when it comes to imperfections? PWCC was the king of this. I’m not sure if they still post them, but try not to cringe during their YouTube clips where they preview upcoming auctions and describe the card’s condition. I think Brentsy himself was the narrator.

That said, I agree with Eric and he seems to be getting some unwarranted flak. This isn’t one of the more egregious examples.

[dengbang]

Don’t all these scummy consignment companies regularly use similar, minimizing wording when it comes to imperfections? PWCC was the king of this. I’m not sure if they still post them, but try not to cringe during their YouTube clips where they preview upcoming auctions and describe the card’s condition. I think Brentsy himself was the narrator.



That said, I agree with Eric and he seems to be getting some unwarranted flak. This isn’t one of the more egregious examples.Photos can be misleading, so buyers rely on the item description and in this case, they aren't disclosing the damaged surface and damaged edges.

The main point I was trying to bring attention to is being missed. I was questioning the practice of searching social media for clients and using that kind of description to in a sense get higher bids. If I hadn't known that Goldin reached out to the owner to consign their card and hadn't seen the damage previously, I wouldn't have made the thread.



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[Stifle]

We get it you don't see the problem. Just move on bud.

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Deng, the member was making the same take on the issue as I would. I can see the card is beat but it’s Rare. Rarity vs Gradability ? It’s out of 5 and if I collected Jordan and needed the card?

Went to a show down in Indiana where the dealer was talking about having a beat to heck Mantle card that I believe was ripped and he sold for $400 at a previous show. I’m not even sure it was a Mantle RC, but the buyer wanted one no matter the condition. The Jordan has value even if it’s worse than the listed description.

No, I don’t work for or have ever utilized Golden.

[duron]

Photos can be misleading, so buyers rely on the item description and in this case, they aren't disclosing the damaged surface and damaged edges.

The main point I was trying to bring attention to is being missed. I was questioning the practice of searching social media for clients and using that kind of description to in a sense get higher bids. If I hadn't known that Goldin reached out to the owner to consign their card and hadn't seen the damage previously, I wouldn't have made the thread.



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I definitely didn't miss the part about them reaching out to the reddit user and being aware of all the damage when it was ungraded. When you start combing the internetz to find business as opposed to letting it come to you, I think it speaks to how desperate you've become.

And again, I'm also not a fan of these descriptions, but it's almost common (unethical) practice at this point. This includes times when they're aware of additional damage prior to consignment.

You can only hope that the "AUTHENTIC" designation on a PSA slab will send more Spidey senses into max-tingle in the future.

[gameissued]

Somewhat agree too. It's shown in poor shape already so a bit of edge wear isn't going make it much worse overall. Nobody's buying this for condition anyway, more about the rarity. Also, the edges can be seen in the scans (if there was a bad hidden crease though, different story). Yes, better to note everything in the description, but this does not seem outrageous.

Slightly off topic, but should a seller describe a poor 80/20 centering or just let buyers judge for themselves? Same with autographs. I'm most willing to note defects but at the same time no need for description "overkill" and dupe your own listings.

Deng, the member was making the same take on the issue as I would. I can see the card is beat but it’s Rare. Rarity vs Gradability ? It’s out of 5 and if I collected Jordan and needed the card?

Went to a show down in Indiana where the dealer was talking about having a beat to heck Mantle card that I believe was ripped and he sold for $400 at a previous show. I’m not even sure it was a Mantle RC, but the buyer wanted one no matter the condition. The Jordan has value even if it’s worse than the listed description.

No, I don’t work for or have ever utilized Golden.

[hairyangryfella]

I mean, the corner damage is clear as day from the scans. It would be one thing if they didn't mention a crease or something that can get hidden by the slab but I don't really see any problem with this.

Not sure why so much backlash to this post.
The corners and edges are pretty clear. Only if there were surface issues/creases that we can't see (and the surface on the original image looks fine?) would it really be unethical.

As much as I question some Goldin practices, him reaching out about a rare card (I've never seen it before, for sure) to sell doesn't mean anything here. The only issue here seems to be that the description is pretty cringe.

[fabiani12333]

Moderately circulated manner of appearance? Did outdated AI generate that description?

[fabiani12333]

Moderately circulated manner of appearance... Eff's sake.

Perfect description of my vehicle tires.

[zworykin]

Company in the business of selling people's cards offers to sell person's card - story at 11!

[fabiani12333]

I don't see anything unethical here. Clear high resolution images of the card are provided that show conspicuous wear.

If you're paying a lot of money for a card, you should realize conditions can differ and a card slabbed but not graded can literally be in any condition.

[ljandkg]

Moderately circulated manner of appearance.

Describes me at 49.

[Prizmcollector9]

Card is PSA ‘auth’
That says it all
No issue with description, grade on card and photos are pretty clear.
I think 99% of online card buyers look at photos and title only. Description is to please the Consignor not for the buyer.
They could literally have written no description for card and I agree 1/5 with photo and PSA grade says it all.
Also, I need to admit, and opening myself up for attacks by haters I’m sure, I find it humorous that people make comments about Ken goldin,like he even looks at the cards that go into the auction let alone writes the descriptions . He sold his company over 2 years ago, There are over 1000 employees and if you follow his social media he’s Spending his time with his kids and occasionally talks about rare memorabilia.

[boxbuster7]

Moderately circulated manner of appearance.

Describes me at 49.

nice way to describe a hooker

a basketball card :rolleyes:

[cardsin47]

As far as a raw card description from a large Auction Seller goes - doesn’t rub me wrong : in general, short, sweet and accurate

Great example of ‘let the buyer beware’ on raw cards

[pokemaniac]

Who cares about some bum edges. That's a sweet card.

[hauntedcomputer]

This card must have an awesome backstory. I imagine some kid pulling it out of a pack and diddling with it for years, then dad reads an article about "Sportcards as investments" and looks through the little brat's collection, sees this in a rubber-banded stack of commons, slaps the kid's grubby little hands away while he squeals for momma, then carries it off dreaming of a new bass boat.

[DaBears1985]

Love how Ken tries to tell us about the eye appeal of the card

We know it’s an MJ /5

You don’t need to tell me what you think about the eye appeal when we can see the edges are whiter a than minneosota man’s pale thighs at the end of winter

[GOATcards]

Perfect description of my vehicle tires.

the corners are moderately circular

I take it that some people consider a low number grade more of a kiss of death than 'Authentic'?

eye-appeal-wise, you combined the card which is probably worthy of display in the aesthetically-best MJ cards thread (the color-shifting backgrounds on the Black Diamonds are quality), along with the moderately circular corners if that bothers you, and you get your eye appeal number. For Khal the moderately circular corners kill the eye appeal. Me, I just use the hunterer-gatherer-baseline standard for everything and realize how much we're thriving

[GOATcards]

and what poor storage ethic went into the moderately circular corners. it's a 2004 issue ffs, the corner wear should have been a thing of the past ca. 1980s

[GOATcards]

This card must have an awesome backstory. I imagine some kid pulling it out of a pack and diddling with it for years, then dad reads an article about "Sportcards as investments" and looks through the little brat's collection, sees this in a rubber-banded stack of commons, slaps the kid's grubby little hands away while he squeals for momma, then carries it off dreaming of a new bass boat.

dad was already so clueless about the collectinvestability potential of sports cards (esp. of rare &/or vintage), he didn't bother to check whether his kid was storing his cards properly, dad's obviously got issues as it is

[duron]

and what poor storage ethic went into the moderately circular corners. it's a 2004 issue ffs, the corner wear should have been a thing of the past ca. 1980s

These are the exact kinds of rarer cards that would have condition issues though. They’re not different enough from the base. Prob just tossed in a cardboard box unsleeved with commons.

[GOATcards]

These are the exact kinds of rarer cards that would have condition issues though. They’re not different enough from the base. Prob just tossed in a cardboard box unsleeved with commons.

why would anyone do that with any jordan card much less something nice 'n' rare like this one?

[GOATcards]

as a point of fact about the card itself, is all the lower portion of the card (logo, lettering) in holofoil?

[boxbuster7]

These are the exact kinds of rarer cards that would have condition issues though. They’re not different enough from the base. Prob just tossed in a cardboard box unsleeved with commons.

I opened 2004 black diamond when I was 8 years old and knew there were parallels.

[duron]

I opened 2004 black diamond when I was 8 years old and knew there were parallels.

Sure, I also knew what to look for at a similar age, including the more non-descript parallels. And I also saw how many kids didn’t.

My whole point is that when special cards do get overlooked, it’s exactly these kinds.

[boxbuster7]

Sure, I also knew what to look for at a similar age, including the more non-descript parallels. And I also saw how many kids didn’t.

My whole point is that when special cards do get overlooked, it’s exactly these kinds.

yeah...I hear what you're saying. Even if I had pulled an MJ base I would've sleeved it instantly. Let alone a parallel /5