Trevor Lawrence vs Justin Herbert

[PokeyAndG]

They have very similar builds and styles as quarterbacks. Obviously Trevor Lawrence had a rough start while Herbert excelled. But who do you think will end up being the better qb?

[sheetskout]

I like Herbert but Lawrence seems toolsier.

[majestik101]

Patrick Mahomes.

[jplarson]

Tom Brady.

[Brobocop]

Small sample size but after seeing Trevor keep his head on straight after having the worst first half a QB could have in their first playoff game and having survived the Urban Meyer reign, I have to think that he has probably the hardest part of being a QB down, the mental toughness. I'm not sure Justin has that since he's never faced a challenge like that.

I'll take Trevor.

[JeremyNick]

Kenny Prickett

[tjforce]

Small sample size but after seeing Trevor keep his head on straight after having the worst first half a QB could have in their first playoff game and having survived the Urban Meyer reign, I have to think that he has probably the hardest part of being a QB down, the mental toughness. I'm not sure Justin has that since he's never faced a challenge like that.

I'll take Trevor.

Biggest advantage Trevor has is the division he plays in. Houston, Tenn, Indy.... nothing holding him back from winning that division for the foreseeable future.

Herbert is like sisyphus trying to drag bad organization up what's currently the league's toughest mountain to climb.

[the mesiah]

I’m a go Zach Wilson or Josh Rosen

[Brobocop]

Biggest advantage Trevor has is the division he plays in. Houston, Tenn, Indy.... nothing holding him back from winning that division for the foreseeable future.

Herbert is like sisyphus trying to drag bad organization up what's currently the league's toughest mountain to climb.

Kansas City is a juggernaut no doubt but LA should be able to handle Denver and Las Vegas for years to come. Denver traded their future away for the next few years and Las Vegas is Las Vegas.

[Floridacardguy]

I just don't see what the hype is about Herbert.

I mean his 2020 & 2021 TD numbers of 31 & 38 were good but he went way down in 2022. I get that part of it was due to injury but still. He's got great talent around him. End of the day, he has Zero playoff wins. I get that TLaw has only 1, but still it's progress. His stats are not as good as Herbert's but I think from their perspective, playoff wins are more important than stats. I think at the end of the day, both have a lot of promise, but so far, TLaw has the better projection

[ArmyDC]

TLAW because of coaching, Stayley is terrible.

[Floridacardguy]

TLAW because of coaching, Stayley is terrible.

Yeah and Tlaw's first year was marred by that turd of a coach, or he could be further along in his development

[tjforce]

I just don't see what the hype is about Herbert.

I mean his 2020 & 2021 TD numbers of 31 & 38 were good but he went way down in 2022. I get that part of it was due to injury but still. He's got great talent around him. End of the day, he has Zero playoff wins. I get that TLaw has only 1, but still it's progress. His stats are not as good as Herbert's but I think from their perspective, playoff wins are more important than stats. I think at the end of the day, both have a lot of promise, but so far, TLaw has the better projection

A couple of things...

I wouldn't say that Herbert has "Great" talent around him. "Good" talent? Sure. But Keenan Allen and Mike Williams are not "Great", even when healthy. I can't even tell you who their tight end is. And Austin Ekler has still yet to make a Pro Bowl, All Pro, or anything.

The thing about him is that he absolutely has the arm talent to go along with his size to make him an elite pocket passer. And it's not just potential the way a guy like Jamarcus Russell was, he's proved it on the field. The questions are just consistency and composure. He can make the tough pass, but can he make the easy pass 99% of the time? And how well can he play in the toughest of moments.

He's the best arm talent out of the 2020 class of Herbert/Burrow/Hurts/Tua, but does he have the intangibles around it to be an elite QB?

[kaisersoze]

A couple of things...

I wouldn't say that Herbert has "Great" talent around him. "Good" talent? Sure. But Keenan Allen and Mike Williams are not "Great", even when healthy. I can't even tell you who their tight end is. And Austin Ekler has still yet to make a Pro Bowl, All Pro, or anything.

The thing about him is that he absolutely has the arm talent to go along with his size to make him an elite pocket passer. And it's not just potential the way a guy like Jamarcus Russell was, he's proved it on the field. The questions are just consistency and composure. He can make the tough pass, but can he make the easy pass 99% of the time? And how well can he play in the toughest of moments.

He's the best arm talent out of the 2020 class of Herbert/Burrow/Hurts/Tua, but does he have the intangibles around it to be an elite QB?

his game against the raiders he showed the intangibles. head coach ruined that season with his dumb timeout call when the raiders were likely going to take a tie which would have made the bolts playoff bound.

[Floridacardguy]

A couple of things...

I wouldn't say that Herbert has "Great" talent around him. "Good" talent? Sure. But Keenan Allen and Mike Williams are not "Great", even when healthy. I can't even tell you who their tight end is. And Austin Ekler has still yet to make a Pro Bowl, All Pro, or anything.

The thing about him is that he absolutely has the arm talent to go along with his size to make him an elite pocket passer. And it's not just potential the way a guy like Jamarcus Russell was, he's proved it on the field. The questions are just consistency and composure. He can make the tough pass, but can he make the easy pass 99% of the time? And how well can he play in the toughest of moments.

He's the best arm talent out of the 2020 class of Herbert/Burrow/Hurts/Tua, but does he have the intangibles around it to be an elite QB?

I don't doubt he's good, but his WR corps and RB is on par if not better than Tlaw's weapons. I agree with you on the TE front they have been searching for a TE to be their go to guy since Gates retired. This is the best TE class in years, this is another team that desperately needs to take a TE. They will compete against the Packers & the Jets who both would be very wise to grab one of these good TE's, maybe a WR is in order too. Mike Williams and Keenan Allen are never healthy at the same time. Allen is a great possession WR and good for a lot of catches, but he's getting up there in years. Williams is feast or famine, big game or bust, and more often than not it's BUST. Palmer isn't bad, but they need to get younger at WR

[weeds73]

Herbert is the better talent IMO, but is stuck in a tough division. Not sure why he has a better career than Rivers…TLaw has more swag and an easier path to postseason success. Long term, I think TLaw probably gets more hobby love.


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[Floridacardguy]

Herbert is the better talent IMO, but is stuck in a tough division. Not sure why he has a better career than Rivers…TLaw has more swag and an easier path to postseason success. Long term, I think TLaw probably gets more hobby love.


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I think as of now Herbert gets much more hobby love I always see people showing off their Herb collection never see people showing off Tlaw collection

[Brobocop]

I think as of now Herbert gets much more hobby love I always see people showing off their Herb collection never see people showing off Tlaw collection


Feel like that’s a symptom of people also trying to offload a bit since they clearly overpaid for those cards as of right now.


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[DaBears1985]

Herbert is better by a mile and a half

[Brobocop]

Herbert is better by a mile and a half


The second half of his first playoff game may say otherwise.

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[jhssketchcards]

I will go Trevor.

Not because of football, but because he had those rad personal trading cards put by Topps. Awesome.

And because he favors one of my favorite sitcom stars of all-time, Blossom.


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[Braswell10]

The second half of his first playoff game may say otherwise.

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The same playoff game TLaw threw 4 INTs???

[Brobocop]

The same playoff game TLaw threw 4 INTs???


Who won the game again?


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[Braswell10]

Who won the game again?


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Lawrence, but to act like either played a good game is pushing it.

[jhssketchcards]

People propping up Lawrence because he won a playoff game…
Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler,
Jim McMahon, Nick Foley all won SBs.

Zero people would have either of these guys as their QB. QBs can be a product of their teams system and defense as much as the team can benefit from the success and leadership of its QB.

Both Herbert and Lawrence are young, talented, smart QBs and ho need some more time to develop, but we’ve seen enough to believe both can have success. The belief that if a QB doesn’t win a SB or have much playoff success then he is a bust is a joke. Lamar Jackson got paid $$$ and his playoff record is awful. He’s been in 4 playoff games and helped them average 13 pts a game, and is 1-3.

People will believe anything about a player if they want to badly enough.


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[Brobocop]

Comparing Trevor’s win against those other players misses what made the win so special. Also, I know close doesn’t count, but he carried that confidence and swagger into Kansas City and almost knocked off the Chiefs. I think there’s more evidence that Trevor is him than Herbert.


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[Braswell10]

Herbert’s worst year is on par with Lawrence’s best year. Tell me how Lawrence is better?

Where are these facts to back it up. Are we just going to ignore Herbert’s first two years. I mean just two seasons ago he threw for 5000 yard with 38 TDs.

But yes, because Lawrence got a playoff win (where he threw 4 INTS), that makes him better.

These threads are always a place people just shout their bias, so I shouldn’t be surprised.

[Brobocop]

Herbert’s worst year is on par with Lawrence’s best year. Tell me how Lawrence is better?

Where are these facts to back it up. Are we just going to ignore Herbert’s first two years. I mean just two seasons ago he threw for 5000 yard with 38 TDs.

But yes, because Lawrence got a playoff win (where he threw 4 INTS), that makes him better.

These threads are always a place people just shout their bias, so I shouldn’t be surprised.

Stats are only one avenue to tell a story, sometimes a biased story. Again, I think the most important weapon a QB has is their head in that, are they prone to crumble under pressure or are they able to shake mistakes off and keep going.

Not only did Trevor have a nightmare of a rookie season, he was given what most people considered scraps in terms of weapons (Zay Jones and Evan Engram for example). Yes, he has the better coach, but the fact that they had a hot start, got ice cold, were able to make a run and win the wild card game in the way that they did, showed me that Trevor mentally has what it takes to be a top tier QB. Maybe I'm wrong but I have super high hopes for him this season with the addition of Ridley as well as having more time with Pederson.

If Trevor sucks this year, I will take everything I have back, just outlining why I think Trevor is the better of the two without looking solely at stats.

[asujbl]

Lawrence for sure

I don’t care about either of these guys

But he’s better apples to apples (the teams aren’t apples to apples though)

[Tnooky]

Herbert easily. As some have pointed out, Herbert's worst year is equal to or slightly better then Tlaw's best. Combine that with Herbert dealing with serious injuries to himself and his top receivers all year long. Anyone who paid any attention to the Chargers knows that he was throwing to 3rd stringers most of the season.

[Braswell10]

Stats are only one avenue to tell a story, sometimes a biased story. Again, I think the most important weapon a QB has is their head in that, are they prone to crumble under pressure or are they able to shake mistakes off and keep going.

Not only did Trevor have a nightmare of a rookie season, he was given what most people considered scraps in terms of weapons (Zay Jones and Evan Engram for example). Yes, he has the better coach, but the fact that they had a hot start, got ice cold, were able to make a run and win the wild card game in the way that they did, showed me that Trevor mentally has what it takes to be a top tier QB. Maybe I'm wrong but I have super high hopes for him this season with the addition of Ridley as well as having more time with Pederson.

If Trevor sucks this year, I will take everything I have back, just outlining why I think Trevor is the better of the two without looking solely at stats.

I respect your take, but I can pick and choose for Herbert too. Just two seasons ago, in a must win game against the Raiders, he converted on 4 or 5 straight 4th downs. I personally had never seen anything like that. Now the Chargers ended up losing thanks to a non existent defense and a questionable timeout call by the coach, but the point stands that Herbert has shown to be able to make plays, just like Lawrence has.

Both players are still very earlier in their career, so the only thing we can go off of is what they have done so far. Herbert has broken nearly every QB record through the first 2 or 3 years of play, that can’t be biased, it’s right there in the history books.

Both will be great players, but there are a bunch of “I feels” or “I thinks” in this thread that are going against what we have seen so far.

Edit: Don’t forget Keenan Allen and Mike Williams were out majority of last season, so Herbert’s best reciever was Josh Palmer.

[asujbl]

I respect your take, but I can pick and choose for Herbert too. Just two seasons ago, in a must win game against the Raiders, he converted on 4 or 5 straight 4th downs. I personally had never seen anything like that. Now the Chargers ended up losing thanks to a non existent defense and a questionable timeout call by the coach, but the point stands that Herbert has shown to be able to make plays, just like Lawrence has.

Both players are still very earlier in their career, so the only thing we can go off of is what they have done so far. Herbert has broken nearly every QB record through the first 2 or 3 years of play, that can’t be biased, it’s right there in the history books.

Both will be great players, but there are a bunch of “I feels” or “I thinks” in this thread that are going against what we have seen so far.

Mac Jones had 5 conversions 12/26/21

He was also 14/32 in that game for 145 with 2 interceptions

4th down conversions is a wild stat to worry about

[Braswell10]

Mac Jones had 5 conversions 12/26/21

He was also 14/32 in that game for 145 with 2 interceptions

4th down conversions is a wild stat to worry about

That’s all you took from my post? Got it.

If anything that just shows the flaw in his argument he was making for TLaw. Anyone can show flashes.

[Brobocop]

That’s all you took from my post? Got it.

If anything that just shows the flaw in his argument he was making for TLaw. Anyone can show flashes.

I mean, my point was not related to stats or “flashes” of greatness, it was that Trevor has his head screwed on straight and survived possibly the worst rookie year a young QB could have and the worst first half a QB could have in their debut playoff game. Not every quarterback would survive that mentally which is a huge part of being an NFL quarterback.

[kluke84]

Trevor gets my vote, and yes I am biased.

With that said, he gets to play against Stroud/Richardson/Levis for the next 3+ yrs.

One is an OSU QB which hasn't worked great in the past.

Richardson is the worst QB to be drafted so high. May improve, May not. His UF career was awful.

Levis seems very poor-to-average.

Plus as Brobo said, Lawrence already got the challenging stuff out of his system. Herbert is stuck as a perpetual WC team playing road playoff games.

[PokeyAndG]

Herbert easily. As some have pointed out, Herbert's worst year is equal to or slightly better then Tlaw's best. Combine that with Herbert dealing with serious injuries to himself and his top receivers all year long. Anyone who paid any attention to the Chargers knows that he was throwing to 3rd stringers most of the season.

Herbert had one more season, he has sort of plateau while TLaw is projecting upward. Even the poll is reflecting more optimism towards Trevor.

[oldgoldy97]

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