Where do the Warriors go from here?

[mfw13]

So.....do the Warriors trade Poole and try to run it back again with the Steph/Klay/Dray core?

Or do they shock everyone and start a rebuild?

As a Warriors fan of 40+ years, IMHO it's time to rebuild, and that starts with moving Steve Kerr upstairs and bringing in a head coach who is willing to play and develop the youngsters. Because they've got potential.

Then you have to decide what to do with Klay and Poole.

Poole, I think, is gone for whatever the Warriors can get for him.

If Klay is not willing to take a significant haircut from his $40 million salary to sign a long-term deal, then you need to trade him as well, in order to preserve the salary slot.

And who knows what Dray is going to decide to do....

I think we just saw the end of the Warriors dynasty tonight....

[BGT Masters]

Fishing!

[tjforce]

So.....do the Warriors trade Poole and try to run it back again with the Steph/Klay/Dray core?

Or do they shock everyone and start a rebuild?

As a Warriors fan of 40+ years, IMHO it's time to rebuild, and that starts with moving Steve Kerr upstairs and bringing in a head coach who is willing to play and develop the youngsters. Because they've got potential.

Then you have to decide what to do with Klay and Poole.

Poole, I think, is gone for whatever the Warriors can get for him.

If Klay is not willing to take a significant haircut from his $40 million salary to sign a long-term deal, then you need to trade him as well, in order to preserve the salary slot.

And who knows what Dray is going to decide to do....

I think we just saw the end of the Warriors dynasty tonight....

Only the man paying the bills can decide.

This isn't a championship team. Won't be a year from now when they are older.

But it is a team that's good enough where if everything worked out, they'd have a puncher's chance.

Is that worth $150MM in luxury tax?

[NSGJT]

They're done. Curry is 36 next March, Klay is diminished heavily from injuries. Draymond is hella old. Poole sucks, they're cooked.

[fabiani12333]

Klay seems star struck with the Lakers, so maybe he should sign with the Lakers?

Draymond wants to be a media personality, so maybe he should just do that?

Curry needs to find himself another team to make another title run -- he's still too good. LeBron has changed teams multiple times, so maybe Curry should as well. He's done all he can for the Warriors.

[Ferg1945]

Dray probably teams up with LeBron. He's exactly the kind of player the Lakers need. A guy who does all the crap but doesn't need to score 15+ every game.

[fabiani12333]

Dray probably teams up with LeBron. He's exactly the kind of player the Lakers need. A guy who does all the crap but doesn't need to score 15+ every game.

Draymond's agent is the same as LeBron's -- Rich Paul.

[eastbayak]

Trade Poole, bring in a PF and/or center and reduce Klay’s minutes and/or reduce his contested shot FGAs.

More playing time to Moody +/- Kuminga.

[ninjacookies]

Dray is a horrible fit on the Lakers. Large chunk of his value at this age comes from being a primary facilitator. LA already has way too many of those.

He'd be great on a young, rebuilding squad like Houston.

[imbluestreak23]

Longer. If the offseason moves don't involve adding length, it's a wrap.

Need that Shaun Livingston, Iguodala type of guy. Court full of midgets makes it tough if the team goes cold from trey.

[Asian62150]

It's easy to say trade Poole but that contract is terrible. Maybe one of the worst in the entire league.

What can the Warriors realistically get for Poole? Cap relief or an actual player who can help them? Are they willing to package him with picks to get him off the books?

His value might be so low around the league that they might have to just hope he turns it around next year. Maybe if Draymond goes, he'll get back on track (although he had a pretty good regular season).

[elontusk1119]

they are going to Bay Area I think.

[jcmel323]

I dont see a lot of problems. Warriors would have probably beaten every team except lakers.

- Analize why they are losing so much at away game and go from there.
- Need a better playoff seeding
- Maximize kuminga ability
- Hope Draymond takes his player option
- resign divicenzo
- trade poole to save $$ team's salary
- sign jordan clarkson. Easily can replace poole

[yiguiri2002]

- Rebuild against Curry. 2-3 year window.
- Be willing to let Klay and Draymond go if it doesn't fit the plan.
- Stop doing so many podcasts and use that time on being a GM.

[SDcardguy24]

What a mess that "two-timelines" plan was.

Bob Myers also maybe on the move too?

[ninjacookies]

Go after Vucci mane. Monster on the glass and offers the offensive versatility that Looney can't touch. A bit long in the tooth but your window's short anyways with the splash bros.

Either him or Brolo if the KAT dreams are unobtainable.

I also think Jerami Grant would be a nice upgrade to Dray. Obviously a sieve on defense, but the free agent landscape doesn't offer much in the way of lockdown 4's.

[yiguiri2002]

Go after Vucci mane. Monster on the glass and offers the offensive versatility that Looney can't touch. A bit long in the tooth but your window's short anyways with the splash bros.

Either him or Brolo if the KAT dreams are unobtainable.

I also think Jerami Grant would be a nice upgrade to Dray. Obviously a sieve on defense, but the free agent landscape doesn't offer much in the way of lockdown 4's.

Ninja, you should be a GM.

If the trades don't work, at least you can confuse the fanbase with some of the stuff you say. Win-win.

[ninjacookies]

If the trades don't work, at least you can confuse the fanbase with some of the stuff you say. Win-win.



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[Shaz]

Do the warriors have pick capital to trade for a Lillard?

[ucLAkers]

Never trust a Corgie….

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[BRob1]

Do the warriors have pick capital to trade for a Lillard?


Nope. Problem is very few teams that would want him (and he would want to go to, ie contenders) have the assets that Portland would want in a trade.

Based on recent trades it’s gotta be 4-5 firsts along with some swaps but it can’t be a team that’s gonna give back picks in the 20’s. There has to be some potential for high lottery.




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[jcardstore]

Trade Poole, bring in a PF and/or center and reduce Klay’s minutes and/or reduce his contested shot FGAs.

More playing time to Moody +/- Kuminga.

Who would trade anything of value for Poole? He’s terrible and has a terrible deal

[Round Mound]

Steve Kerr: " To be fair, I think this team probably, ultimately, maxed out. "

Donkey Green: " This group definitely maxed out what we could do. It wasn’t a championship team. We didn’t win it. It sucks. But that’s our reality. "

Same team as last year, minus Otto Porter and Damion Lee, with DiVicenzo and Jamychal green, and this group maxed out?

Gotta be the biggest lame excuse of the decade.

[drobfan8]

Steve Kerr: " To be fair, I think this team probably, ultimately, maxed out. "

Donkey Green: " This group definitely maxed out what we could do. It wasn’t a championship team. We didn’t win it. It sucks. But that’s our reality. "

Same team as last year, minus Otto Porter and Damion Lee, with DiVicenzo and Jamychal green, and this group maxed out?

Gotta be the biggest lame excuse of the decade.

A bit weak.

Last year they won a crucial game 4 vs Boston where Steph went off and Klay and Poole produced.

They let game 4 slip vs the Lakers and game 6 got not a lot from anyone.

They just were not as good this season and they are nowhere near as deep as the Lakers.

They definitely need to retool. Not sure what they can do though. They need an x factor like Poole to be reliable and an upgrade at the big spot.

[Round Mound]

A bit weak.

Last year they won a crucial game 4 vs Boston where Steph went off and Klay and Poole produced.

They let game 4 slip vs the Lakers and game 6 got not a lot from anyone.

They just were not as good this season and they are nowhere near as deep as the Lakers.

They definitely need to retool. Not sure what they can do though. They need an x factor like Poole to be reliable and an upgrade at the big spot.

This postseason, they just did not get as many miracle games from their players as last year, and they have been outplayed by the Lakers (and pushed to their limits by the Kings).

It's completely different than saying that this group maxed out.

Now why Kerr did not play Kuminga or took Looney almost completely out of the rotation is a big question mark to me.

[pingbling23]

Steve Kerr: " To be fair, I think this team probably, ultimately, maxed out. "

Donkey Green: " This group definitely maxed out what we could do. It wasn’t a championship team. We didn’t win it. It sucks. But that’s our reality. "

Same team as last year, minus Otto Porter and Damion Lee, with DiVicenzo and Jamychal green, and this group maxed out?

Gotta be the biggest lame excuse of the decade.

Last year they faced nuggets missing 2 starters, grizzlies with bane barely able to move, Morant getting injured and missing half the series, hard fought series against the mavs who really were no threat, and then played the Celtics who I still don’t know how they choked so bad. This with curry averaging 27, klay 19, Poole and Wiggins 17 throughout the playoffs. Steph definitely elevated his game in the finals and deserved his first fmvp.

[Round Mound]

Last year they faced nuggets missing 2 starters, grizzlies with bane barely able to move, Morant getting injured and missing half the series, hard fought series against the mavs who really were no threat, and then played the Celtics who I still don’t know how they choked so bad. This with curry averaging 27, klay 19, Poole and Wiggins 17 throughout the playoffs. Steph definitely elevated his game in the finals and deserved his first fmvp.

Seems to me that it's not that they maxed out this season. They were just extremely lucky in their matchups most of the past decade, but not this year.

[KhalDrogo]

Who would trade anything of value for Poole? He’s terrible and has a terrible deal
Nobody is trading for him.

A shooter who is average at shooting, can’t create, can’t play defense, has a bad attitude, lacks effort, and is due $128M over the next four years. Well done Warriors!

[pingbling23]

Seems to me that it's not that they maxed out this season. They were just extremely lucky in their matchups most of the past decade, but not this year.

I don’t think they get past the kings this year if not for fox breaking his finger.

[Round Mound]

I don’t think they get past the kings this year if not for fox breaking his finger.

I agree 1000%

[rats60]

The Warriors are done. They don't play defense anymore, Curry never has. You don't win on the road by not playing defense. Are they even going to sign Dray? He is going to want max money or close to it. With the new salary cap rules, a team that is so far over the cap has little chance to improve its roster.

Maybe they can pull a Westbrook deal at the trade deadline, and move Klay in a salary dump to a team trying to shed salary. If they can pick up young players who will defend, they could transform themselves like the Lakers did and make a run in the playoffs.

The Warriors never were a contender this season. An injury to the Kings best player got them to the second round where the Lakers exploited their weaknesses. Barring a miracle transformation, they won't be a contender for a long time.

[oldgoldy97]

Don’t forget Steph’s historic game. He has an average game and they lose, too.

[pingbling23]

The Warriors are done. They don't play defense anymore, Curry never has. You don't win on the road by not playing defense. Are they even going to sign Dray? He is going to want max money or close to it. With the new salary cap rules, a team that is so far over the cap has little chance to improve its roster.

Maybe they can pull a Westbrook deal at the trade deadline, and move Klay in a salary dump to a team trying to shed salary. If they can pick up young players who will defend, they could transform themselves like the Lakers did and make a run in the playoffs.

The Warriors never were a contender this season. An injury to the Kings best player got them to the second round where the Lakers exploited their weaknesses. Barring a miracle transformation, they won't be a contender for a long time.

I don’t know about that. Curry looks to have a few high level years left. with the warriors winning culture and willingness to spend I wouldn’t put them out to pasture just yet. They probably get kat and dame next year or something crazy.

[Round Mound]

We'll keep reading that LBJ cannot win by himself and that he's jumping from team to team, when Curry has the same (KD, Russell, Wiggins, Dame/Kat?) but just has to stay with the team which drafted him...

[pcptrade]

I don’t know about that. Curry looks to have a few high level years left. with the warriors winning culture and willingness to spend I wouldn’t put them out to pasture just yet. They probably get kat and dame next year or something crazy.

I agree. His conditioning is still good. He may have another 2 years left before his high-level performance starts to deteriorate.

[2010GBPackers]

I agree. His conditioning is still good. He may have another 2 years left before his high-level performance starts to deteriorate.

Problem is he can't carry a team for an entire postseason; not with this team. The rest of the Warriors' key pieces are falling apart due to age and injury. Their performance to win the Championship last year was their manga opus, however, they've squeezed as much as they could out of this group. Time to start over.

[oldgoldy97]

People on here touted every draft pick they’ve made the past few years as brilliant moves to reload the team. Why is the OP worried all of a sudden? Just plug in Poole, Kuminga, Moody, Baldwin and they’re ready to rock, right?

[Scottish Punk]

I would agree they should rebuild. This run is over. I felt that way against Sac. First order of business is to trade Poole. Yes, somebody will take him. He is young and some team will think a "change of scenery" will be the answer. They will likely get him on a discount or offloading a bad contract of their own. Sit down with Klay and figure out what he wants. They could extend him to end is contract with Curry at a discount, otherwise his expiring deal maybe valuable on the open market. Tell Green we are rebuilding and hope he opts out. I didn't realize his agent is the same as Lebron. I can see Green going to Lakers. Good fit on and off court for him. I disagree with putting Green on a young team. You need a veteran team to brush off his antics and not get swayed emotionally, plus I don't see why Green wants to be on a losing team now. I would also look to trade Wiggins for the right price. Curry is the face of the franchise, you let him decide if he wants to ride it out and retire a Dub or try to get a trade to a contender.

[2010GBPackers]

People on here touted every draft pick they’ve made the past few years as brilliant moves to reload the team. Why is the OP worried all of a sudden? Just plug in Poole, Kuminga, Moody, Baldwin and they’re ready to rock, right?

This is why Lacob and Myers are in for a $278M luxury tax bill next year. Not salary - LUXURY TAX!!! :eek::doh:

They've had to pay to keep their key veterans instead of being able to let one or two go and reload with a cheaper, younger version. Problem is they whiffed badly at every turn.

[yiguiri2002]

Last year they faced nuggets missing 2 starters, grizzlies with bane barely able to move, Morant getting injured and missing half the series, hard fought series against the mavs who really were no threat, and then played the Celtics who I still don’t know how they choked so bad. This with curry averaging 27, klay 19, Poole and Wiggins 17 throughout the playoffs. Steph definitely elevated his game in the finals and deserved his first fmvp.

Agreed. Probably the most underwhelming champions of the last decade.

Props to them for taking advantage of their opportunities but that team is a 2nd round exit any year (except for this season).

[KhalDrogo]

People on here touted every draft pick they’ve made the past few years as brilliant moves to reload the team. Why is the OP worried all of a sudden? Just plug in Poole, Kuminga, Moody, Baldwin and they’re ready to rock, right?
The solution is obviously to trade for Wiseman.

[oldgoldy97]

The solution is obviously to trade for Wiseman.

:cry:

[Round Mound]

People on here touted every draft pick they’ve made the past few years as brilliant moves to reload the team. Why is the OP worried all of a sudden? Just plug in Poole, Kuminga, Moody, Baldwin and they’re ready to rock, right?

They did a great job drafting Curry and Thompson. Then every other pick looked fantastic until 2-3 years ago because all they had to do (after they paid each veteran player an insane amount of money) was fill in the 7-8-9 spots of their roster.

[mfw13]

People on here touted every draft pick they’ve made the past few years as brilliant moves to reload the team. Why is the OP worried all of a sudden? Just plug in Poole, Kuminga, Moody, Baldwin and they’re ready to rock, right?

The problem is that the Warriors have a coach who refuses to give young players the playing time they need to develop.

Moody was very solid all series. Kuminga is the one Warrior who wouldn't have been afraid to attack AD at the rim...that Kerr started JaMychael Green over Kuminga in Games 2 & 3 when he wanted to go bigger is mind-boggling.

[yiguiri2002]

It was after the Wiseman draft that their picks starting to go down. Drafting Looney and Poole where they got them was a success and they were able to get GP for cheap and develop him.

Crazy how this team would look with Melo, Wagner and Sengun.

[mfw13]

Nobody is trading for him.

A shooter who is average at shooting, can’t create, can’t play defense, has a bad attitude, lacks effort, and is due $128M over the next four years. Well done Warriors!

Poole is actually a pretty good creator....he had some incredible assists in the playoffs. His problem is his defense and inconsistent shooting/finishing at the rim. If someone tells him just to focus on his playmaking, and not to worry so much about scoring, he could easily be a 8-10 assist/15-20 point PG.

But he really needs to work on his body positioning....he ends up off-balance way too often, and even when he beats his defender and gets a clear path to the rim, he often fails to finish because he's off-balance and gets smoked by the help defender.

That said, there are plenty of young/rebuilding teams out there with cap space who would be willing to take a chance on him.

[imbluestreak23]

Do the warriors have pick capital to trade for a Lillard?

Lillard provides no value as he doesn't solve any of their problems. Getting Lillard would make their problems worse

[Scottish Punk]

Lillard provides no value as he doesn't solve any of their problems. Getting Lillard would make their problems worse

Yeah, that just puts a weaker Curry clone next to him in the backcourt. Doubles down on same skillset and weaknesses.

[BlueXtreme]

The problem is that the Warriors have a coach who refuses to give young players the playing time they need to develop.

Moody was very solid all series. Kuminga is the one Warrior who wouldn't have been afraid to attack AD at the rim...that Kerr started JaMychael Green over Kuminga in Games 2 & 3 when he wanted to go bigger is mind-boggling.

This… unleash Kuminga!

[Archangel1775]

Age and injury has caught up with Klay. Him missing two three pointers in a row in the third only down by 11 seemed like the tipping point in the game. Done. Looking forward to next season.

[wubh]

I'm a Warriors fan so I'm biased....but Poole definitely still has value. Ben Simmons sat out and and still netted Harden. And there are way worse contracts in the league IMO.

A team that needs a ball-centric guard will convince themselves that getting sucker punched by a teammate in preseason and a young player slumping after a breakout year with strong championship contributions is worth taking a shot at. And he'll almost certainly be better on another team with a defined role as a focal point.

I can see him getting flipped for another young player whose team regrets extending them recently. Maybe some type of 3-5 team trade with Ayton involved? How does NY feel about Barrett now that Brunson is the clear #1 and RJ has stagnated? Maybe Orlando thinks pairing Poole with Paolo and Franz is a better foundation moving forward than their quantity over quality backcourt philosophy? Hell, maybe the Bucks try to bring the hometown kid home and hide him on D? If FVV walks in FA, maybe Toronto is interested?

I worry more about extending Draymond and Klay for more money or length of time that will prevent the eventual rebuild.

[SDcardguy24]

They did a great job drafting Curry and Thompson. Then every other pick looked fantastic until 2-3 years ago because all they had to do (after they paid each veteran player an insane amount of money) was fill in the 7-8-9 spots of their roster.

It was after the Wiseman draft that their picks starting to go down. Drafting Looney and Poole where they got them was a success and they were able to get GP for cheap and develop him.

Crazy how this team would look with Melo, Wagner and Sengun.

I get some people weren't sold on Melo at the time and maybe there were no good veterans up for trade for the #2 pick either but the raw big in Wiseman for a win-now Warriors was always odd. Same with the 2021 draft. Not sure what players they were offered for the 2 lotto picks though.

They did have some nice pickups for last year's run in Payton & then getting a healthy OPJ trying to bounce back from injuries. Same idea with Donte this past season.

[Stifle]

After next season Klay and his $43.2 million dollar contract / cap hit / dead cap will all be gone and so will Thompson. Jordan Poole is earning over $27 million as a reserve. It’s time to find a inside scoring option to free up the 3point shooters.

I’m not certain about Draymond but he looks to be on his last leg and that would free up $27.5 million after next season. Between Draymond and Klay, after next season the team has roughly $71 million to seek on a player or two who could spark this team.

[apb4]

After next season Klay and his $43.2 million dollar contract / cap hit / dead cap will all be gone and so will Thompson. Jordan Poole is earning over $27 million as a reserve. It’s time to find a inside scoring option to free up the 3point shooters.

I’m not certain about Draymond but he looks to be on his last leg and that would free up $27.5 million after next season. Between Draymond and Klay, after next season the team has roughly $71 million to seek on a player or two who could spark this team.

Between Curry, Wiggins, Poole and Looney the Warriors already have $122 million in guarantied salary for the 2024-25 season. The cap is likely to come in around $145-$150 million. Assuming they just let Thompson and Draymond walk, take on no additional salary and accounting for empty roster spot cap holds they may have around $20-25 million to spend that year. They are not going to fix this team in free agency, it's going to have to come through trades and hitting on draft picks.

[boxbuster7]

This postseason, they just did not get as many miracle games from their players as last year, and they have been outplayed by the Lakers (and pushed to their limits by the Kings).

It's completely different than saying that this group maxed out.

Now why Kerr did not play Kuminga or took Looney almost completely out of the rotation is a big question mark to me.

I was surprised Kuminga didn't get any minutes in the lakers series considering how much playing time poole got

[mfw13]

The reality is that Klay is not very good anymore.

Yes, Klay shot 41.2% from deep this year and led the league in threes, but he also had a PER of 14.7 (league average is 15, and a WS/48 of .066 (that's lower than Moody, DDV, GPII and Ty Jerome). Defensively he was actually just as bad as Poole, with a D-rating of 117, by far the worst of his career.

For perspective, last season he was at 16.7 PER and 0.91 WS/48.

Also worth noting that James Wiseman was at 17.1 PER with a .144 WS/48.

[fabiani12333]

All the times Charles Barkley said the Warriors were finished and was proven wrong. Finally, he was right -- they are cooked, barbeque chicken style. It was only a matter of time -- either Barkley was going to outlast the Warriors, or the other way around.

https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article29936374.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/1_BARKLEY.jpg

[fabiani12333]

Also, Chris Webber dunked on Barkley and made a commercial about it:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/14/d9/e2/14d9e20280122a8bac2ca8c12741b52e--chris-webber-basketball-association.jpg
https://youtu.be/949IodY-PUg

[Nomad]

This is what I would do. Talk with the Pacers, get some of their draft picks. And Nembhard. But you might have to give up Looney, as what they need is another rim protector.

[Tallboy]

I think the Warriors do have some tough dilemmas now.

The #1 thing: You right Curry longer because Curry is >>>>>>> anyone you're likely to get in the decades to come, he's marketable as hell, and as long as he's there and amazing, he'll drive the lucrative box office.

Because of this, the full re-build is not an option, and as a result it's not so clear whether the time is right to move on from your other veterans.

I'd be inclined to re-up Green so long as his demands are reasonable. You're paying Curry through '25-26 and he's older than Green, so giving Green an extension through that year where he's making well-under half of what Curry makes doesn't seem crazy to me.

Klay is on the books for 2 more years so there's not necessarily a decision to be made there yet. He's certainly someone you'd love to move for the right assets, but if you can't get those you probably just keep him through the end of his contract.

The big question on my mind with Klay is whether he's going to be okay with being benched if that's what should happen. In that last game, Klay seemed clearly worse than DiVincenzo. If that continues, I'm not willing to keep treating Klay as if he's an all-star simply because of his Warrior tenure.

My gut is that Klay will be a good soldier regardless of this, and that he may well be willing to sign something close to the vet minimum to finish out his career with GS.

Jordan Poole may be a much uglier situation. They paid him like he was going to be the closest thing they had to a young star, and he was awful when they needed him. If you end up deciding that he's not even as good as DiVincenzo, I think you want to move on from him before he turns toxic.

I think that aside from Curry & DiVincenzo, Wiggins, Looney & Payton are gold for what you're paying them, so to me that's a decent core to keep things going, even if I don't think it's likely to lead to another chip as is.

So long as I was still playing the same style around Curry, I expect I'd be happy to keep Kerr as coach. I would not expect Kerr to want to hang around after that.

[Archangel1775]

Tough situation. Draymond is known to be a regulator. I wonder if something happened again after Game 1 in this last playoff series. The kid disappeared.

https://i.imgur.com/YtjyKDil.jpg

[cnewby]

What do you expect Thugmond to say?