Would Jokic surpass Shaq if he wins a title this year?

[pmatic]

Jokic recorded statistical feats unseen in the modern NBA. He has 2 MVP's (Should've been 3 straight if we're being honest) and broke records and reached milestones Shaq could never achieved in his playing days (Most triple doubles.


My favorite highlight from Jokic this season:

"Chamberlain is the only other player in NBA history to put up a stat line of at least 40-27-10—something he did four times during his Hall of Fame career. The last time he did it was on March 18, 1968, when he scored 53 points, grabbed 32 boards and dropped 14 dimes.

The Denver star is nearly averaging a triple double at 25.2 points, 10.9 rebounds and nine assists in 26 games so far this season"

Joker did all of this in understated fashion. While I love Shaq as a player growing up, I can't help but wonder if Jokic could surpass O'Neal in peak dominance and value as a singular player? If the Nuggets win the title this season, that gives Jokic 2 MVPS, 1FMVP a title and arguably one of the most dominant playoff run by a player.

[hermanotarjeta]

I think joker would need to at least match shaq in rings to pass him up.

[the mesiah]

Damn this place is getting worse and worse with the trolls .. yea Jokic will be the GOAT ..happy now OP.. :cry:

[pmatic]

I think joker would need to at least match shaq in rings to pass him up.

Do you really believe this? I like the ring argument but I'm not so sure this works in this case.

O'Neal had a prime Kobe, Wade and Penny Hardaway. He even joined the Lebron bandwagon and all he had was 4 championships. To put things in perspective, Jokic's best player to date is Jamal Murray.

[pmatic]

Damn this place is getting worse and worse with the trolls .. yea Jokic will be the GOAT ..happy now OP.. :cry:

Not my intention, can we please discuss in peace and drop the name calling? This is not a reach, IMO. I'm not comparing Shaq to DeAndre Ayton. Jokic is just flat out dominating and the only thing missing in his resume is a championship and FMVP.

[hermanotarjeta]

Do you really believe this? I like the ring argument but I'm not so sure this works in this case.

O'Neal had a prime Kobe, Wade and Penny Hardaway. He even joined the Lebron bandwagon and all he had was 4 championships. To put things in perspective, Jokic's best player to date is Jamal Murray.

Yes.

Greatness needs to be sustained for 10-15 years.

It’s too early to compare joker to the all time greats.

Even if he wins a ring this year and retires immediately, he barely cracks the top 30 of all time.

Which is an amazing feat in itself.

[Kobefan]

In that case, would that make Wilt the Goat, cause of his 50 point season? I'm of the opinion that peak dominance does not stack up to lifetime achievements. No matter how good a player is, if it's for a few years only, it just doesn't stack up to Shaq's achievements.

[the mesiah]

Not my intention, can we please discuss in peace and drop the name calling? This is not a reach, IMO. I'm not comparing Shaq to DeAndre Ayton. Jokic is just flat out dominating and the only thing missing in his resume is a championship and FMVP.



I know it’s recency bias or you are not that educated on basketball past 2015 but c’mon now you are really comparing jokic who I do like and I see the skill set to Shaquille who is a consensus top 10 all time ? When did jokic pass up Moses Hakeem all time , ?

[pmatic]

Yes.

Greatness needs to be sustained for 10-15 years.

It’s too early to compare joker to the all time greats.

Even if he wins a ring this year and retires immediately, he barely cracks the top 30 of all time.

Which is an amazing feat in itself.

See, I like this one and it's a very good point. Jokic is a late bloomer and just like Curry, I think we have to make concessions since they have shorter peaks compared to other All-Time greats but what if their skill level is not only so unique but a total game changer?


I've been watching the game for 20+ years and I've never seen a big man that can alter the game offensively in so many facets like Jokic.

[hermanotarjeta]

Arvydas Sabonis had some mad skills for a big man as well.

But it needs to translate into multiple rings to be considered top all time.

[pmatic]

Arvydas Sabonis had some mad skills for a big man as well.

I love Sabonis Senior! He played in the wrong era unfortunately.

[Kobefan]

I love Sabonis Senior! He played in the wrong era unfortunately.

Like you said, skillset depends on the era. You haven't seen anything close to what he does in the past 20 years cause the league has changed drastically in the past 20 years. He'll still be great in the past era, but his stats won't be as great. Let's just wait till he's done playing before comparing players, even if one must compare players in different eras.

[jcardstore]

Shaq dominated an entire era on his way to 4 rings and 3 FMVPs. This is a nonsense thread

[KhalDrogo]

How old are you? Can’t be more than 20. This is a clown thread.

[pmatic]

Shaq dominated an entire era on his way to 4 rings and 3 FMVPs. This is a nonsense thread

As always, you keep missing the circumstances and context in these discussions. Shaq dominated an entire era is so far from the truth. In his era, Olajuwon was deemed as the better big man and at his peak in Los Angeles, he was battling Duncan for Supremacy.

He had a dominating finals against a past his prime Mutombo, Tood Mc Cullough and Rik Smits.

[The Accountant]

Joker is playing out of his mind, but no, not even close yet. Still has time but Shaq is all time

[pmatic]

How old are you? Can’t be more than 20. This is a clown thread.

You're free to leave and not participate. It seems like you always come into peoples thread with the same negative energy and schtick. :)!

Mr. "I hate the NBA, I don't watch this garbage product"

[spurs50fan]

I think both the title and the explanation are a "no". 1 title doesn't push a player past a guy with multiple. Plus we are in a stats era manipulated by the league for viewership so numbers don't move the needle. At least imo idk

[jcardstore]

As always, you keep missing the circumstances and context in these discussions. Shaq dominated an entire era is so far from the truth. In his era, Olajuwon was deemed as the better big man and at his peak in Los Angeles, he was battling Duncan for Supremacy.

What are the circumstances and context?

Jokic has done nothing but some flashy regular seasons. Even if he wins it this year that’s 1 ring.

I suspect you’re a teenager based on these comments and you have next to no knowledge of pre 2010s NBA

Shaq is pretty much a unanimous top10 all time player. Is a Jokic even top 20? Top 30? He may end up near Shaq at the end of his career but he’s not even in the same universe currently

[discodanman45]

Shaq's value and popularity are just more than his dominance on the basketball court. He is a recognizable character off the court as well. Once Joker headlines a bad movie like Kazaam, his popularity will have reached Shaq's level. That will never happen.

[KhalDrogo]

You're free to leave and not participate. It seems like you always come into peoples thread with the same negative energy and schtick. :)!

Mr. "I hate the NBA, I don't watch this garbage product"
I don’t have to watch a single minute of Jokic to call out this thread as absurd.

Were you watching Shaq in the 90s or not?

[smalltown]

One step at a time. I think if Jokic wins this year he passes Giannis. If he can sustain the level he is for four more years, which isn't unreasonable at all. I could see him winning another couple MVPs which starts changing the conversation on where he is all time.

[pmatic]

What are the circumstances and context?

Jokic has done nothing but some flashy regular seasons. Even if he wins it this year that’s 1 ring.

I suspect you’re a teenager based on these comments and you have next to no knowledge of pre 2010s NBA

Shaq is pretty much a unanimous top10 all time player. Is a Jokic even top 20? Top 30? He may end up near Shaq at the end of his career but he’s not even in the same universe currently

Well I said peak dominance and value as a singular player.

Shaq was a typical back to the basket 90's player. He was dominant but he was very much a liability (value). If we go by dominance (raw and advance numbers) Jokic has eclipsed Shaq's production on the court as well.

[pmatic]

I don’t have to watch a single minute of Jokic to call out this thread as absurd.

Were you watching Shaq in the 90s or not?

Sir, I watched them all. I knew Shaq was a 30 and 10 monster but he was very much a liability in the postseason. Think Dwight Howard at the line.

It's no surprised he only won 3 titles and they were all with Top 5 player who bailed him on those Sacramento and Spurs series.


He was very good in Miami but Wade practically carried him to a 4th title.

[pmatic]

One step at a time. I think if Jokic wins this year he passes Giannis. If he can sustain the level he is for four more years, which isn't unreasonable at all. I could see him winning another couple MVPs which starts changing the conversation on where he is all time.

Appreciate this take! and though a bit OT, that's a great point. It's amazing how he could actually surpass Giannis this season, that did not even crossed my mind.

Great thought, thank you!

[mrchipz]

I cant believe this is actually a real thread. To compare anyone to the most dominant player that has ever played to a player that doesnt even have 1 ring is just mind blowing.

[yiguiri2002]

I think joker would need to at least match shaq in rings to pass him up.

I think Joker is far from Shaq right now but he doesn't need to match his rings to pass him

[jcardstore]

Well I said peak dominance and value as a singular player.

Shaq was a typical back to the basket 90's player. He was dominant but he was very much a liability (value). If we go by dominance (raw and advance numbers) Jokic has eclipsed Shaq's production on the court as well.

Shaq was a liability? How do you expect people to take comments like that seriously?

You speak in vague generalities that make it impossible to have an objective discussion.

if your question is: “is Jokic more valuable from an analytics sense at his peak than Shaq” then you can make that argument.

Shaq might be the most dominant player in NBA history with Wilt and Jokic isn’t even close. Jokic is an average defender while Shaq was an elite rim protector. Obviously Shaq couldn’t shoot but didn’t need to.

Shaq peaked at 18.6 WS, Jokic’ best season is 15.6.

You need to be more clear on what criteria we are comparing these players

[msink28]

I typically think it's pretty useless to compare eras, and this is no exception.

Jokic is wildly efficient. He also plays in an era where you're not allowed to just maul players at will. I don't know of any player who took more physical abuse than Shaq. He was fouled hard mercilessly. It's remarkable that he was as good as he was for as long as he was with the amount of abuse he took.

Comparing centers is one thing, but Shaq was the kryptonite for almost every PF not named Tim Duncan. Barkley, Malone, Webber, KG, none of those guys could get past Shaq in the West.

[jcardstore]

Sir, I watched them all. I knew Shaq was a 30 and 10 monster but he was very much a liability in the postseason. Think Dwight Howard at the line.

It's no surprised he only won 3 titles and they were all with Top 5 player who bailed him on those Sacramento and Spurs series.


He was very good in Miami but Wade practically carried him to a 4th title.

I’m sorry but nobody who ever watched Shaq play would say this.

[meltedvanilluxe]

You are basically saying that Jokic will cement himself as a top 11 (11 because there seems to be a consensus of these players just not the order) player if the Nuggets win this year. That’s just silly, we shouldn’t be having this conversation yet.


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[pingbling23]

I’m sorry but nobody who ever watched Shaq play would say this.

Agreed. Shaq always said he made them when it mattered. I’m racking my brain and I don’t ever recall shaqs team losing out on a championship because he missed at the line.

[jcardstore]

Agreed. Shaq always said he made them when it mattered. I’m racking my brain and I don’t ever recall shaqs team losing out on a championship because he missed at the line.

In the 00 finals Shaq averaged 38/17 while leaving almost 10ppg at the line. If he shot even 50% at the line he would have averaged over 40ppg in the finals lol

[pmatic]

Shaq was a liability? How do you expect people to take comments like that seriously?


I've frequent multiple boards for so long. RealGm, Reddit, Spurstalk, ClutchFans, LakersGround etc. I may be a 30 day member but I've done my due diligence when it comes to basketball. For what it's worth, I was a huge Duncan fan growing up so I've seen the endless battles between the Spurs and Lakers.

I know it's hard to believe but there are certain points in the postseason where Spurs fan are more worried of Kobe than Shaq especially in clutch situations. his FT struggles made him such a liability that he was pulled late from a few close playoff battles, why do you think Kobe stans always brings up he's 1B to Shaq's 1A? it's because it had merits.


This is equally true on defense were he was unable to help defend the Tony Parker- Tim Duncan pick and roll. You probably though Saq was this defensive monster who could cover ground, well sorry to disappoint you but that's not true especially in Los Angeles where we started seeing his athletic decline.




You speak in vague generalities that make it impossible to have an objective discussion.

if your question is: “is Jokic more valuable from an analytics sense at his peak than Shaq” then you can make that argument.

Shaq might be the most dominant player in NBA history with Wilt and Jokic isn’t even close. Jokic is an average defender while Shaq was an elite rim protector. Obviously Shaq couldn’t shoot but didn’t need to.


I'm not sure anymore, we're dazzled by Shaq's brute strength and power and he was all that but I think Jokic has held the fort quite well for someone who's practically runs the Nuggets offense.

[pmatic]

Agreed. Shaq always said he made them when it mattered. I’m racking my brain and I don’t ever recall shaqs team losing out on a championship because he missed at the line.

It's because the competition in the Finals were chopped liver. The Lakers dominated each team.

Again, his primary defenders were. Todd McCullough, Rik Smiths (good but outmatched) and Mutombo (Was great but past his athletic prime).

With Nets and Philly throwing undersized Kenyon Martin and Theo Ratliff in between rests.

[pmatic]

I’m sorry but nobody who ever watched Shaq play would say this.

I'm starting to question your age, sir. I really think you didn't witness Shaq at his peak and may have relied on the narrative and youtube highlights that he was this unstoppable beast. He was but he was quite flawed.

Olajuwon won back to back titles with practically nobodies- Drexler was very good in that one season. Why do you think Shaq only had 4 titles playing with 3 of the very best guards of his generation?

[RainCityShecks]

Don't forget, Shaq also had Tim Donaghy on his Lakers teams - that dude could make it rain points via all kinds methods (free throws, extra possessions, etc). That guy alone prob afforded shaq a chip or two.
:D
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:coffee:

[oldgoldy97]

Joker is the 2nd best ever just like Mahomes.


Recency bias!

[oldgoldy97]

Ohtani best ever.

[RainCityShecks]

Thing is, Shaq was the most dominant C/player, for his time. Would he be so now? Likely not. I always hated the Tim Donaghy Lakers teams w/ Shaq and Kobe, but, there is no doubt Jokic doesn't surpass after 1 chip.

If Joker gets 3 w/ continuing to put up the kind of numbers he is putting up - let's revisit this poll.

[KhalDrogo]

Shaq was a liability? How do you expect people to take comments like that seriously?

You speak in vague generalities that make it impossible to have an objective discussion.

if your question is: “is Jokic more valuable from an analytics sense at his peak than Shaq” then you can make that argument.

Shaq might be the most dominant player in NBA history with Wilt and Jokic isn’t even close. Jokic is an average defender while Shaq was an elite rim protector. Obviously Shaq couldn’t shoot but didn’t need to.

Shaq peaked at 18.6 WS, Jokic’ best season is 15.6.

You need to be more clear on what criteria we are comparing these players
This guy is an elite class troll and almost certainly a PBM who thought he was cute by pretending to be new and excited about collecting LaMelo.

:cry:

[NSGJT]

He won one game in the WCF and didn't score much if anything in the 4th quarter where the Lakers almost came back @DEN. I think this is a bit premature on multiple levels. Shaq has 4 rings, he wasn't worthless in the Heat ring either imo he was underrated in overall value from that season to post to championship. I agree with Hermano card, yes rings absolutely matter.

Everyone can lay out their top 10 all-time lists or we can look at a consensus list. How many guys on the top 10 lists have 0 rings? 1 ring? It's right about - none.

[dengbang]

Shaq was dominant in an era of big men. Jokic is dominant in an era of 3 point shooters. Just can't compare the two.

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[pmatic]

This guy is an elite class troll and almost certainly a PBM who thought he was cute by pretending to be new and excited about collecting LaMelo.

:cry:

I've done nothing but create threads that involves discussion :confused: You may disagree but at least post something of value instead of invading each thread with negativity and calling people names? If there's anyone trolling here, I say it's you.

At least jrcardstore talks about basketball and is competent enough to hold his ground and refute any topic(s) he disagrees with. I'm not sure why you're allowed to do this when 98% of the people in my threads have discussed the topic at hand.

[pmatic]

He won one game in the WCF and didn't score much if anything in the 4th quarter where the Lakers almost came back @DEN. I think this is a bit premature on multiple levels. Shaq has 4 rings, he wasn't worthless in the Heat ring either imo he was underrated in overall value from that season to post to championship. I agree with Hermano card, yes rings absolutely matter.

Everyone can lay out their top 10 all-time lists or we can look at a consensus list. How many guys on the top 10 lists have 0 rings? 1 ring? It's right about - none.

I've always enjoyed your takes, I can tell you're an avid basketball fan like me.

Where would rank Jokic hypothetically with a title and FMVP this season?

[TheFrenzy]

Jokic is closer to passing Shaq than Mahomes is to being the #2 All-Time QB.

In other words, they both have a long ways to go.

[KhalDrogo]

I've done nothing but create threads that involves discussion :confused: You may disagree but at least post something of value instead of invading each thread with negativity and calling people names? If there's anyone trolling here, I say it's you.

At least jrcardstore talks about basketball and is competent enough to hold his ground and refute any topic(s) he disagrees with. I'm not sure why you're allowed to do this when 98% of the people in my threads have discussed the topic at hand.
I don’t waste my time discussing blatantly stupid topics.

I’ll do what I want. Put me on ignore if you don’t like it.

[pmatic]

I don’t waste my time discussing blatantly stupid topics.

I’ll do what I want. Put me on ignore if you don’t like it.

I mean, why would I put people on ignore just because we don't share the same opinion?

I'd rather hear or read why you disagree without the name calling though. I feel like we're all adults and can be civilize here, don't you think?


What's wrong with just talking about basketball minus these childish insults and harassments?

[tjforce]

Jokic is closer to passing Shaq than Mahomes is to being the #2 All-Time QB.

In other words, they both have a long ways to go.

Comparing Jokic to Mahomes before Jokic even gets ring 1 is like comparing Mahomes to Brady.

Can't have that legit discussion yet.

[RainCityShecks]

I mean, why would I put people on ignore just because we don't share the same opinion?

I'd rather hear or read why you disagree without the name calling though. I feel like we're all adults and can be civilize here, don't you think?


What's wrong with just talking about basketball minus these childish insults and harassments?

That's probably not going to happen in these forums. And don't try to say anything in jest either or someone might get their pinky toe hurt and hurl names and insults over this internet like a real life supertoughguy. :)!

[pmatic]

That's probably not going to happen in these forums. And don't try to say anything in jest either or someone might get their pinky toe hurt and hurl names and insults over this internet like a real life supertoughguy. :)!

I guess I just need to get used to it but I'm just at the stage in my life where I no longer coming back at people with insults. I just think life is overall better when communication is refined.

[jcardstore]

This guy is definitely a pbm. The use of “sir” reminds me of someone but I can’t exactly remember who.

[TheFrenzy]

Comparing Jokic to Mahomes before Jokic even gets ring 1 is like comparing Mahomes to Brady.

Can't have that legit discussion yet.

Considering Jokic should already have three MVP awards and is dominating statistically more so than Mahomes, it's a legit comparison.

They both have a long ways to go.

:coffee:

[jcardstore]

I've frequent multiple boards for so long. RealGm, Reddit, Spurstalk, ClutchFans, LakersGround etc. I may be a 30 day member but I've done my due diligence when it comes to basketball. For what it's worth, I was a huge Duncan fan growing up so I've seen the endless battles between the Spurs and Lakers.

I know it's hard to believe but there are certain points in the postseason where Spurs fan are more worried of Kobe than Shaq especially in clutch situations. his FT struggles made him such a liability that he was pulled late from a few close playoff battles, why do you think Kobe stans always brings up he's 1B to Shaq's 1A? it's because it had merits.


This is equally true on defense were he was unable to help defend the Tony Parker- Tim Duncan pick and roll. You probably though Saq was this defensive monster who could cover ground, well sorry to disappoint you but that's not true especially in Los Angeles where we started seeing his athletic decline.





I'm not sure anymore, we're dazzled by Shaq's brute strength and power and he was all that but I think Jokic has held the fort quite well for someone who's practically runs the Nuggets offense.

List out exactly which playoff games that Shaq (in his prime) was pulled from because of being a “liability”

[pmatic]

This guy is definitely a pbm. The use of “sir” reminds me of someone but I can’t exactly remember who.

Post # 34 still requires a response. I knew you could never refute that and so far, you're proving me right.

[pmatic]

List out exactly which playoff games that Shaq (in his prime) was pulled from because of being a “liability”

We're not answering a question with another question. Google is such a useful tool.

Have you read the Book of basketball by Bill Simmons? He covered this topic about O'Neal quite well.

[NSGJT]

Shaq was dominant in an era of big men. Jokic is dominant in an era of 3 point shooters. Just can't compare the two.

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You can apply that same logic to Jordan and LeBron. Or anyone pre 2010s to Curry / anyone in the pace/space million threes era we've been in. Barely anyone shot threes in the 90s, 80s, and definitely not prior because the line was invented in what 1979? 1973? Something like that.

But I agree, you're right. It's apples and oranges. But we do "have to" compare on all-time lists that's just what it is. Unless we want to chop every era up, which does make more logical sense. Until we get to "LeBron is better than Jordan", "Karrem was a bum", etc.

I've always enjoyed your takes, I can tell you're an avid basketball fan like me.

Where would rank Jokic hypothetically with a title and FMVP this season?

Thanks. Well, like I said you have to stay consistent here and not fall into recency bias so when you look at the consensus, general top 10-15 players ever...how many have 0 rings? 1 ring? Charles Barkley is the only guy I can think of and he's debatably top 15. Unfortunately that's just how this works.

So where would Jokic be? He's been in the league only 8 years, but he won back to back MVPs. He should have won the MVP this year imo, he was the best player in the league and Embiid is a slight fraud. But is what it is, he didn't. We're assuming he wins a ring and is finals MVP?

Easily top 50 all-time safely assuming he has some level of success for another 3-5 years (all-star games, some all-NBA) not even on par with what he's done in the past 3 seasons where he was arguably the best player across that span in the league and then hypothetically wins a ring and is the best player on that team.

Obviously this is projecting and assuming a bit, but we can go look at lists like the Athletic's where they have Westbrook 46, Kawhi 34, Harden 33, Wade 28, Giannis 24, Dirk 21. So it's rather conservative to say top 50 and if I were to aggressively assume (lol) that Jokic will continue to be good but not even assume another ring, yeah probably top 20-30 all-time at the rate he's going. But he needs to you know, finish his career.

By comparison Shaq is top 5-10 for me. So yeah, to repeat the first part, rings matter. If Jokic wins 3 rings as the best player on his team and wins ~3 MVPs perhaps and is dominant for longer, then we can 1:1 compare with Shaq. Jokic right now is dominant, he needs to win this series and a finals first THEN do it again for years and years.

[TheFrenzy]

List out exactly which playoff games that Shaq (in his prime) was pulled from because of being a “liability”

I don't know about playoffs, but he could definitely be a liability in a hot wings eating competition.

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[duron]

This thread is sicker than polygon-matic crypto

[pmatic]

Thanks. Well, like I said you have to stay consistent here and not fall into recency bias so when you look at the consensus, general top 10-15 players ever...how many have 0 rings? 1 ring? Charles Barkley is the only guy I can think of and he's debatably top 15. Unfortunately that's just how this works.

So where would Jokic be? He's been in the league only 8 years, but he won back to back MVPs. He should have won the MVP this year imo, he was the best player in the league and Embiid is a slight fraud. But is what it is, he didn't. We're assuming he wins a ring and is finals MVP?

Easily top 50 all-time safely assuming he has some level of success for another 3-5 years (all-star games, some all-NBA) not even on par with what he's done in the past 3 seasons where he was arguably the best player across that span in the league and then hypothetically wins a ring and is the best player on that team.

Obviously this is projecting and assuming a bit, but we can go look at lists like the Athletic's where they have Westbrook 46, Kawhi 34, Harden 33, Wade 28, Giannis 24, Dirk 21. So it's rather conservative to say top 50 and if I were to aggressively assume (lol) that Jokic will continue to be good but not even assume another ring, yeah probably top 20-30 all-time at the rate he's going. But he needs to you know, finish his career.

By comparison Shaq is top 5-10 for me. So yeah, to repeat the first part, rings matter. If Jokic wins 3 rings as the best player on his team and wins ~3 MVPs perhaps and is dominant for longer, then we can 1:1 compare with Shaq. Jokic right now is dominant, he needs to win this series and a finals first THEN do it again for years and years.

Love this guy's knowledge of the game. Can honestly tell you're a student of the game. Very deep!

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[BlueXtreme]

No /end thread

[90skid]

https://media.tenor.com/SLU9OF7U3zcAAAAC/shaq-big-dunk.gif

[jcardstore]

We're not answering a question with another question. Google is such a useful tool.

Have you read the Book of basketball by Bill Simmons? He covered this topic about O'Neal quite well.

So you’re saying you don’t know? You made the statement. The burden of proof is on you.

He averaged over 40mpg in every single finals series.

So I ask again: give me a list of games he was pulled from because he was a liability because I think you’re full of crap and made it up to support a non existent point

[TheFrenzy]

Love this guy's knowledge of the game. Can honestly tell you're a student of the game. Very deep!

:)!

It's always sweet to watch two PBM accounts praising each other.

[NSGJT]

Considering Jokic should already have three MVP awards and is dominating statistically more so than Mahomes, it's a legit comparison.

They both have a long ways to go.

:coffee:

Hey we agree there at least. Jokic got robbed out of a three-peat by low IQ voters.

[tjforce]

Considering Jokic should already have three MVP awards and is dominating statistically more so than Mahomes, it's a legit comparison.

They both have a long ways to go.

:coffee:

IDK that he his. They are comparable in the pure statistics department, but

If Jokic were leading the sport in Points Per game all time like Mahomes is in Yards per game and Touchdowns per game. Then maybe.

If Jokic were leading the sport in PER all time like Mahomes is in QB rating. Then Maybe.

If Jokic had won the Black Ink test in Totals or Per Game stats over Mahomes, then maybe.

So you could probably have a good debate over who has the better regular season resume...but I think we'll have to wait until Jokic gets a title (which he might soon) before we compare overall resumes.

[oldgoldy97]

It's always sweet to watch two PBM accounts praising each other.

Where’s your PROOF!?!

[SupermanBrandon]

Sorry guys, I'm usually much quicker on the PBM realization. I'm not sure I've ever been wrong on making that call. I was tricked at first but looking at the dedication to his thread, the knowing how people post but only having been here for a month + some of the verbiage/phrasing...we have us a 100% bonafide PBM.

[NSGJT]

It's always sweet to watch two PBM accounts praising each other.

What does PBM mean seen it used quite a bit? Obviously I wouldn't know some made up insider term for dudes who've been circle jerking about cardboard rectangles longer than I have. Don't know why you're talking s--- on me either when my take was super reasonable, guess you're butthurt that I've mentally folded you multiple times. How's Sam Howell doing?

[oldgoldy97]

Telltale question asked.

[pmatic]

So you’re saying you don’t know? You made the statement. The burden of proof is on you.

He averaged over 40mpg in every single finals series.


So, again this is a lazy response. The Lakers were never in danger of even losing the series. Not a good example from you. Have you checked the Spurs, Jazz, Sacramento series?


So I ask again: give me a list of games he was pulled from because he was a liability because I think you’re full of crap and made it up to support a non existent point

I already referenced a published article from one of the best writers of basketball- Bill Simmons.

[SupermanBrandon]

What does PBM mean seen it used quite a bit? Obviously I wouldn't know some made up insider term for dudes who've been circle jerking about cardboard rectangles longer than I have. Don't know why you're talking s--- on me either when my take was super reasonable, guess you're butthurt that I've mentally folded you multiple times. How's Sam Howell doing?

Its like shooting fish in a barrel. 2 down. Any others want to join?

[jcardstore]

“What’s a PBM” :cry:

[clocsta2323]

So, again this is a lazy response. The Lakers were never in danger of even losing the series. Not a good example from you. Have you checked the Spurs, Jazz, Sacramento series?



I already referenced a published article from one of the best writers of basketball- Bill Simmons.


HAHAHA

[NSGJT]

Telltale question asked.

Huh so I guess we can just make up acronyms and fake terms, act all cliquey, and assume people would never ask what they mean if they are called that. Cool I guess. 40-50+ year old men most likely who are acting like school girls.

[pmatic]

It's always sweet to watch two PBM accounts praising each other.

I've pretty much praise anyone who's contributed positively, guess everyone who doesn't partake in name calling is a troll account. :confused: His posts are well thought out, if you don't see it, then I can't convince you.


I've not hurled insults to anyone. I have only asked people to share their thoughts in a positive manner and there's plenty of posters in this board have done so. What's so bad about discussing basketball only though?

[NSGJT]

Its like shooting fish in a barrel. 2 down. Any others want to join?

“What’s a PBM” :cry:

Wow that's hilarious, let's make up brain dead acronyms then call people that. Holy s--- you guys are so cool. Act like a little clique on a niche site about cards, imagine being that big of a loser? I'm not some guy who got banned if that's the implication. You can read my posts I doubt anyone posts like me here, or few. All good though I'll be sure to disregard anything the "PBM" crew needs to say.

[jcardstore]

Wow that's hilarious, let's make up brain dead acronyms then call people that. Holy s--- you guys are so cool. Act like a little clique on a niche site about cards, imagine being that big of a loser? I'm not some guy who got banned if that's the implication. You can read my posts I doubt anyone posts like me here, or few. All good though I'll be sure to disregard anything the "PBM" crew needs to say.

So you did know what it meant :coffee:

[TheFrenzy]

Its like shooting fish in a barrel. 2 down. Any others want to join?

I'm not even convinced it's two separate ones.

:coffee:

[SupermanBrandon]

I'm not even convinced it's two separate ones.

:coffee:

:cry:
Just had the same thought. Too dedicated in back to back postings.

[NSGJT]

I'm not even convinced it's two separate ones.

:coffee:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wLqqKbti48o/mqdefault.jpg

"lmao come on guys look at these PBMs!"

Says the overweight 56 year old on a fine afternoon.

[jcardstore]

That would be pretty impressive.

I’m not 100% convinced on NSGJT, just like 90%

For sure 100% pmatic is a PBM. Didn’t even bother denying it

[pmatic]

So you did know what it meant :coffee:

Can't believe you're actually tapping out of this, I'll give you a lifeline.


Shaq was swept 5 times before he won titles. Plenty of games there where Shaq was a complete liability.

1994: Pacers swept Magic in the first round 3-0.

1995: Rockets swept Magic in the NBA Finals 4-0.

1996: Bulls swept Magic in the Conference Finals 4-0.

1997: Jazz beat Lakers 4-1 in the second round.

1998: Jazz swept Lakers in the Conference Finals 4-0.

1999: Spurs swept Lakers in the second round 4-0.

[oldgoldy97]

So you did know what it meant :coffee:

Can't believe you're actually tapping out of this, I'll give you a lifeline.


Shaq was swept 5 times before he won titles. Plenty of games there where Shaq was a complete liability.

1994: Pacers swept Magic in the first round 3-0.

1995: Rockets swept Magic in the NBA Finals 4-0.

1996: Bulls swept Magic in the Conference Finals 4-0.

1997: Jazz beat Lakers 4-1 in the second round.

1998: Jazz swept Lakers in the Conference Finals 4-0.

1999: Spurs swept Lakers in the second round 4-0.

:rolleyes:

[JeremyNick]

Considering Jokic should already have three MVP awards and is dominating statistically more so than Mahomes, it's a legit comparison.

They both have a long ways to go.

:coffee:

Plus it’s not like Jokic gets any helps from the refs.

Sipsipsip

[NSGJT]

So you did know what it meant :coffee:

Are you sub 90 IQ? Probably. Do you understand what context clues are, implication? Not exactly the brightest bunch who post here and it's rather pathetic that a group of guys who are probably 55 years old on average are acting like cliquey school-girls on a site about cards.

I said Jokic was easily top 50 all-time if he wins a ring, after winning back to back MVPs and probably being the best player in the league actually this year. That's a troll comment? That's assuming he continues to play on decently for some years. That was worth calling me a "PBM"? You guys are very bored. I'd normally talk a lot more s--- but I'm good, I'll refrain. I come here to talk about cards and sports. I'm not someone who was banned, I probably have 30 IQ points on that guy and if anyone is a blatant troll it's this Frenzy dude who's probably lost 10k on Rosen, Mayfield, and Howell alone in the past 5 years judging by his posts. Clique behavior is cringe as f---.

[TheFrenzy]

Are you sub 90 IQ? Probably....

I said Jokic was easily top 50 all-time if he wins a ring

You also said:

TLDR - Mahomes is already top 5 all time easily so I don't think it's crazy to say he's 3rd right now either honestly.

:coffee:

[Rbradleigh]

Until I remember that prime Shaq played in an era where teams had true low post players double teaming and banging him like crazy. Please don’t compare the players and try putting today’s C ahead of Shaq.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[NSGJT]

You also said:



:coffee:

Don't worry about me. Worry about mixing in a salad every once in awhile Rob.

[jcardstore]

Can't believe you're actually tapping out of this, I'll give you a lifeline.


Shaq was swept 5 times before he won titles. Plenty of games there where Shaq was a complete liability.

1994: Pacers swept Magic in the first round 3-0.

1995: Rockets swept Magic in the NBA Finals 4-0.

1996: Bulls swept Magic in the Conference Finals 4-0.

1997: Jazz beat Lakers 4-1 in the second round.

1998: Jazz swept Lakers in the Conference Finals 4-0.

1999: Spurs swept Lakers in the second round 4-0.

Getting swept doesn’t mean you’re a liability.

Shaq as a rookie - team best 21/13/3 3bpg while playing 42mpg
95 finals - team best 28/12/6 2.5bpg 45mpg
96 ECF - team best 27/11/4/1.5/1.5 43mpg
97 WCS - team best 22/12/3 2bpg 34mpg
98 WCF - team best 32/9 1bpg 39mpg
99 WCS - team best 24/13 2bpg 39mpg

He was literally the best player on his team in every single series you listed and playing 40mpg+ on average. That’s like the best liability of all time.

If you’re gonna troll at least try to be a little more creative. It’s too easy to dunk on you

[pmatic]

I think Joker is far from Shaq right now but he doesn't need to match his rings to pass him

Can't believe I missed this. I just quoted you and agreed with you, so that means you're a troll too :)!

[TheFrenzy]

Don't worry about me. Worry about mixing in a salad every once in awhile Rob.

https://media.tenor.com/aGR6OVyAVQsAAAAd/laugh-harder-oh.gif

[indyguy]

This guy is definitely a pbm. The use of “sir” reminds me of someone but I can’t exactly remember who.

Wasn't that Gio? I don't remember his exact screen name.

It will bug me until I click on another thread on this forum.

[pmatic]

Getting swept doesn’t mean you’re a liability.

Shaq as a rookie - team best 21/13/3 3bpg while playing 42mpg
95 finals - team best 28/12/6 2.5bpg 45mpg
96 ECF - team best 27/11/4/1.5/1.5 43mpg
97 WCS - team best 22/12/3 2bpg 34mpg
98 WCF - team best 32/9 1bpg 39mpg
99 WCS - team best 24/13 2bpg 39mpg

He was literally the best player on his team in every single series you listed and playing 40mpg+ on average. That’s like the best liability of all time.

If you’re gonna troll at least try to be a little more creative. It’s too easy to dunk on you
So again, without context. Googled the numbers without paying attention to any nuances of the game.

I expect something better from someone with your choice of signature. I need ninjacookies to make sense in all of this. Him, daeve and NSGJT are some of the best in this board.

[jcardstore]

Are you sub 90 IQ? Probably. Do you understand what context clues are, implication? Not exactly the brightest bunch who post here and it's rather pathetic that a group of guys who are probably 55 years old on average are acting like cliquey school-girls on a site about cards.

I said Jokic was easily top 50 all-time if he wins a ring, after winning back to back MVPs and probably being the best player in the league actually this year. That's a troll comment? That's assuming he continues to play on decently for some years. That was worth calling me a "PBM"? You guys are very bored. I'd normally talk a lot more s--- but I'm good, I'll refrain. I come here to talk about cards and sports. I'm not someone who was banned, I probably have 30 IQ points on that guy and if anyone is a blatant troll it's this Frenzy dude who's probably lost 10k on Rosen, Mayfield, and Howell alone in the past 5 years judging by his posts. Clique behavior is cringe as f---.

You sure did get really angry, really quickly :cry:

I was talking about pmatic anyways who’s blatantly obvious and just laughing generally at your comment but sure seems like the shoe fits :coffee:

[jcardstore]

So again, without context. Googled the numbers without paying attention to any nuances of the game.

I expect something better from someone with your choice of signature. I need ninjacookies to make sense in all of this. Him, daeve and NSGJT are some of the best in this board.

You're funny dude. I’m sure you’ll be gone soon and I look forward to your next name on here.

Anyways, the novelty of this incredibly dumb conversation has worn off and I’ll leave you to your trolling

[oldgoldy97]

I don’t like that Joker is considered the best “big” passer.

He should be considered the best passer, period. Why does he need a big adjective added?

[jcardstore]

Wasn't that Gio? I don't remember his exact screen name.

It will bug me until I click on another thread on this forum.

I don’t remember exactly. I wish when PBMs got re-banned there was a list somewhere where we could see who it originally was

[pmatic]

You're funny dude. I’m sure you’ll be gone soon and I look forward to your next name on here.

Anyways, the novelty of this incredibly dumb conversation has worn off and I’ll leave you to your trolling

Such a cop out. You know you were wrong so you're taking the easy way out? I gave you plenty of references too, such a shame.

[KhalDrogo]

Sorry guys, I'm usually much quicker on the PBM realization. I'm not sure I've ever been wrong on making that call. I was tricked at first but looking at the dedication to his thread, the knowing how people post but only having been here for a month + some of the verbiage/phrasing...we have us a 100% bonafide PBM.
He even used “schtick” against me. That’s one of my favorites!

[byronscott4ever]

Does Jokic have a rap album? Multiple movie roles?

[NSGJT]

You sure did get really angry, really quickly :cry:

I was talking about pmatic anyways who’s blatantly obvious and just laughing generally at your comment but sure seems like the shoe fits :coffee:

Well yeah dude you guys are ganging up and circle jerking saying made up acronyms and essentially, from what I can tell, calling me a loser/bot/alt account. Who wouldn't be mad?

[oldgoldy97]

Does Jokic have a rap album? Multiple movie roles?

Video game?

[jcardstore]

Well yeah dude you guys are ganging up and circle jerking saying made up acronyms and essentially, from what I can tell, calling me a loser/bot/alt account. Who wouldn't be mad?

Nope, could not care any less. Think of it like getting hazed.

You can safely disregard 90% of what people here say.

If you want to have a real discussion about basketball and not have it devolve into nonsense head over to realGM.

[discodanman45]

Does Jokic have a rap album? Multiple movie roles?

Entry into the WrestleMania Battle Royal.

[pmatic]

Nope, could not care any less. Think of it like getting hazed.

You can safely disregard 90% of what people here say.

If you want to have a real discussion about basketball and not have it devolve into nonsense head over to realGM.

So you just admitted you're into "hazing" and harassing new members? Yet you call people who prefers to talk basketball in a civil manner a troll?


And please don't bring RealGM as an alternative source for discussions. it can be done here. There are plenty of capable people here who knows the game in and out.

[TheFrenzy]

Think of it like getting hazed.

Precisely the reason why new guys like FloridaCardGuy are alright in my book. They take their lumps without melting down.

[pmatic]

Precisely the reason why new guys like FloridaCardGuy are alright in my book. They take their lumps without melting down.

But one one is melting down except the same posters parroting and trolling the thread. :confused:

[jplarson]

Jokic shoots free throws awesome

[indyguy]

So you just admitted you're into "hazing" and harassing new members? Yet you call people who prefers to talk basketball in a civil manner a troll?


And please don't bring RealGM as an alternative source for discussions. it can be done here. There are plenty of capable people here who knows the game in and out.

There are, but you aren't going to get them with topics like this.

You're taking a 3 or 4 season run against Shaq's career and asking if Jokic's one hypothetical ring would surpass Shaq. Never in a million years would anyone reasonable (not a Jokic fanboy) think that is possible.

If you had asked if this multi-season run of Jokic could surpass Shaq's best multi-season run, you might have something. You'd still be behind a couple rings, but at least that makes the conversation more feasible to look at specific times.

You probably would have gotten a better comparison if you compared Jokic to Hakeem or David Robinson. Hakeem was 13th on the top 75 and Robinson was 25. That is probably more the range you are looking at with Jokic in the long run. Shaq is arguably a top 10 player of all-time and considered the most physically dominant player ever. Jokic is definitely not the most physically dominant, but he is a statistical freak. Do it for 10 years and see where that lands him.

[Archangel1775]

Did Giannis pass Larry Bird?

[pete2345]

Surpass shaq lol

[TheFrenzy]

But one one is melting down except the same posters parroting and trolling the thread. :confused:

The consensus is "yes."

As for your impression that people are "trolling" this thread—you began the thread with a misguided question. No serious sports fan is going to actually consider a player with five or so great years to have supplanted all-time greats who performed at similar levels for 15+ years.

Now, if you wanted to compare "peaks" or "talent" or "who would you take in a single game"—that's fair game. Prime Jokic might well be the guy you'd draft at the center position if we're talking about a single game.

[pmatic]

There are, but you aren't going to get them with topics like this.

You're taking a 3 or 4 season run against Shaq's career and asking if Jokic's one hypothetical ring would surpass Shaq. Never in a million years would anyone reasonable (not a Jokic fanboy) think that is possible.

If you had asked if this multi-season run of Jokic could surpass Shaq's best multi-season run, you might have something. You'd still be behind a couple rings, but at least that makes the conversation more feasible to look at specific times.

You probably would have gotten a better comparison if you compared Jokic to Hakeem or David Robinson. Hakeem was 13th on the top 75 and Robinson was 25. That is probably more the range you are looking at with Jokic in the long run. Shaq is arguably a top 10 player of all-time and considered the most physically dominant player ever. Jokic is definitely not the most physically dominant, but he is a statistical freak. Do it for 10 years and see where that lands him.

So this is why I clearly stated if Jokic could surpass O'Neal in peak dominance and value as a singular player? I know the ring argument and longevity clearly favors Shaq.


Jokic has 3 MVP seasons where he's clearly the best player in the game. That's 3 long season which Shaq never reached. I also stated value because Jokic's impact far exceeds Shaq's during his title years. Shaq can score in the paint, clean the glass and alter any points in the point.


But Jokic has shown he can do more. He can also score in the paint but he can stretch defense because he can shoot a mid range and extend his range beyond the arc something Shaq could never do. Jokic can run a high octane offense which Shaq could never do. Jokic is an equally aggressive rebounder.

Jokic had 3 seasons of mind numbing efficiency that Shaq could never touch.

[pmatic]

The consensus is "yes."

As for your impression that people are "trolling" this thread—you began the thread with a misguided question. No serious sports fan is going to actually consider a player with five or so great years to have supplanted all-time greats who performed at similar levels for 15+ years.

Now, if you wanted to compare "peaks" or "talent" or "who would you take in a single game"—that's fair game. Prime Jokic might well be the guy you'd draft at the center position if we're talking about a single game.

That's a you problem as I've clearly asked the why. I never said Jokic is better than Shaq's legacy.:confused:

[NSGJT]

Nope, could not care any less. Think of it like getting hazed.

You can safely disregard 90% of what people here say.

If you want to have a real discussion about basketball and not have it devolve into nonsense head over to realGM.

Spectrum level take.

You're confused if you think I'm looking for an apology or playing the victim. I'm saying that 4-5 guys who probably run blood pressure meds daily referring to blowout lore and "hazing" people is tistic'. Judging the Frenzy guy, I'm probably very accurate with that statement. It's cringe is what it is. I'll move on but I think you guys are part of the problem why no one can have a serious conversation no? We talked Doncic, different opinions but at least it was a serious debate and there's no hard feelings. But calling people "PBMs" like some little insider pu--y is cringe as hell. I don't mind people talking s--- honestly. But little passive aggressive schoolgirl drama stuff I do mind. I don't care if someone has "seniority" on a card site forum.

[NSGJT]

Precisely the reason why new guys like FloridaCardGuy are alright in my book. They take their lumps without melting down.

No one gives a f--- about "your book". And no offense to the Florida guy because I've seen him post, but he bought a ton of Trask and Levis. What a surprise he's alright with the guy buying Rosen, Mayfield, and Howell lmao. Cooked.

[TheFrenzy]

That's a you problem as I've clearly asked the why. I never said Jokic is better than Shaq's legacy.:confused:

The problem is that you muddled the question—first with the thread title that simply says "surpass," implying career totals, and then by discussing multi-season samples and ring counts.

You'd find yourself in much less angst had you titled the thread better.

[SupermanBrandon]

PBMs cant help but show themselves eventually. Some do it right when they get back on, others hide out. But all can be triggered rather easily.

[TheFrenzy]

No one gives a f--- about "your book".

https://i.imgur.com/ugR3Ftc.gif

[TheFrenzy]

For the record, I do love me some Jokic.

[jcardstore]

Spectrum level take.

You're confused if you think I'm looking for an apology or playing the victim. I'm saying that 4-5 guys who probably run blood pressure meds daily referring to blowout lore and "hazing" people is tistic'. Judging the Frenzy guy, I'm probably very accurate with that statement. It's cringe is what it is. I'll move on but I think you guys are part of the problem why no one can have a serious conversation no? We talked Doncic, different opinions but at least it was a serious debate and there's no hard feelings. But calling people "PBMs" like some little insider pu--y is cringe as hell. I don't mind people talking s--- honestly. But little passive aggressive schoolgirl drama stuff I do mind. I don't care if someone has "seniority" on a card site forum.

Take a walk outside dude, it’s not that serious. :cry:

You’re not going to make it here if this is already how you feel.

Someone must’ve given you the wrong mocha today or something because you’re on a warpath over 3 letters. Couldn’t even imagine how a 4 letter acronym would make you feel

[pmatic]

The problem is that you muddled the question—first with the thread title that simply says "surpass," implying career totals, and then by discussing multi-season samples and ring counts.

You'd find yourself in much less angst had you titled the thread better.

I'm not in angst. Have you visited Spurstalk? I would assume not. Nothing fazes me, it's just basketball talk? Lol

I may have faults on the title of the thread and that's my fault and responsiblity but I think those who actually took time to read got the gist of it.

I mean yiguiri2002, smalltown, tjforce and hermanotarjeta understood the context and they're long time members. It's only the same poster who comes in disrupting these civil discussions.

[TheFrenzy]

I may have faults on the title of the thread and that's my fault and responsiblity...

Cool. Then there's no need to accuse people of trolling when they respond to exactly what the title and most of the first post imply.

...but I think those who actually took time to read got the gist of it.

Judging by the voting and most of the replies—no.

If you want people to debate whether Prime Jokic comes close to or surpasses Prime Shaq, then you should edit the first post to say so and then let people know that that's what you meant to discuss.

[Boo]

No one gives a f--- about "your book". And no offense to the Florida guy because I've seen him post, but he bought a ton of Trask and Levis. What a surprise he's alright with the guy buying Rosen, Mayfield, and Howell lmao. Cooked.

LMAO!

[Boo]

This poll makes the top 5 of most lopsided polls in BO history.

[pmatic]

Cool. Then there's no need to accuse people of trolling when they respond to exactly what the title and most of the first post imply.


You know what, not like it matters because it doesn't but I like you.


Judging by the voting and most of the replies—no.

It's cool with me and that's the exact type of engagement I'm looking for. I don't want to win an argument but the purpose is to read the why and hell no! lol.

Hey, narrative can simply change almost overnight in the sports world. Maybe Jokic dominates and sweeps the Lakers and defeats either Celtics or Heat while averaging 40, 10 and 10 in the Finals. Maybe not? But I feel like this is why we all talk about the game we love- minus KhalDrago since he thinks it's a garbage product yet still finds ways to pop in every NBA threads.

[TheHeel]

Jokic recorded statistical feats unseen in the modern NBA. He has 2 MVP's (Should've been 3 straight if we're being honest) and broke records and reached milestones Shaq could never achieved in his playing days (Most triple doubles.


My favorite highlight from Jokic this season:

"Chamberlain is the only other player in NBA history to put up a stat line of at least 40-27-10—something he did four times during his Hall of Fame career. The last time he did it was on March 18, 1968, when he scored 53 points, grabbed 32 boards and dropped 14 dimes.

The Denver star is nearly averaging a triple double at 25.2 points, 10.9 rebounds and nine assists in 26 games so far this season"

Joker did all of this in understated fashion. While I love Shaq as a player growing up, I can't help but wonder if Jokic could surpass O'Neal in peak dominance and value as a singular player? If the Nuggets win the title this season, that gives Jokic 2 MVPS, 1FMVP a title and arguably one of the most dominant playoff run by a player.


:cry::cry:

[BGT Masters]

Would Joker surpass Shaq if he wins a title this year?


https://media.giphy.com/media/R51a8oAH7KwbS/giphy.gif

[indyguy]

So this is why I clearly stated if Jokic could surpass O'Neal in peak dominance and value as a singular player? I know the ring argument and longevity clearly favors Shaq.


Jokic has 3 MVP seasons where he's clearly the best player in the game. That's 3 long season which Shaq never reached. I also stated value because Jokic's impact far exceeds Shaq's during his title years. Shaq can score in the paint, clean the glass and alter any points in the point.


But Jokic has shown he can do more. He can also score in the paint but he can stretch defense because he can shoot a mid range and extend his range beyond the arc something Shaq could never do. Jokic can run a high octane offense which Shaq could never do. Jokic is an equally aggressive rebounder.

Jokic had 3 seasons of mind numbing efficiency that Shaq could never touch.

Statistically Jokic is great. The advanced stats love him.

What efficiency numbers are you saying Shaq could not touch? Let's look at them for Shaq. Top 20 in these three categories for 16 seasons.

Field Goal Pct:
1992-93 NBA .562 (4th)
1993-94 NBA .599 (1st)
1994-95 NBA .583 (2nd)
1995-96 NBA .573 (3rd)
1996-97 NBA .557 (4th)
1997-98 NBA .584 (1st)
1998-99 NBA .576 (1st)
1999-00 NBA .574 (1st)
2000-01 NBA .572 (1st)
2001-02 NBA .579 (1st)
2002-03 NBA .574 (2nd)
2003-04 NBA .584 (1st)
2004-05 NBA .601 (1st)
2005-06 NBA .600 (1st)
2007-08 NBA .593 (4th)
2008-09 NBA .609 (1st)

2-Pt Field Goal Pct:
1992-93 NBA .563 (4th)
1993-94 NBA .600 (1st)
1994-95 NBA .585 (2nd)
1995-96 NBA .573 (6th)
1996-97 NBA .559 (7th)
1997-98 NBA .584 (1st)
1998-99 NBA .577 (1st)
1999-00 NBA .575 (1st)
2000-01 NBA .573 (1st)
2001-02 NBA .580 (2nd)
2002-03 NBA .574 (2nd)
2003-04 NBA .584 (1st)
2004-05 NBA .601 (1st)
2005-06 NBA .600 (1st)
2007-08 NBA .593 (6th)
2008-09 NBA .610 (1st)

Effective Field Goal Pct:
1992-93 NBA .562 (6th)
1993-94 NBA .599 (1st)
1994-95 NBA .583 (3rd)
1995-96 NBA .574 (4th)
1996-97 NBA .557 (8th)
1997-98 NBA .584 (2nd)
1998-99 NBA .576 (1st)
1999-00 NBA .574 (2nd)
2000-01 NBA .572 (1st)
2001-02 NBA .579 (2nd)
2002-03 NBA .574 (2nd)
2003-04 NBA .584 (1st)
2004-05 NBA .601 (2nd)
2005-06 NBA .600 (1st)
2007-08 NBA .593 (6th)
2008-09 NBA .609 (1st)

Let's not also forget that teams also had to come up with the Hack-a-Shaq to try and stop him. He ended up shooting the second most free-throws of all-time with regular season and playoffs combined. A guy that "couldn't" shoot them was so damn dominant that he stayed on the floor despite that strategy.

Jokic has his pros. He's a mobile big man that has shown dominance in this era.

If you could somehow match both up in their prime, one or both will have two quick fouls against them. Shaq powering through Jokic down low. Jokic trying to pull Shaq away from the bucket and going around him.

[NSGJT]

Take a walk outside dude, it’s not that serious. :cry:

You’re not going to make it here if this is already how you feel.

Someone must’ve given you the wrong mocha today or something because you’re on a warpath over 3 letters. Couldn’t even imagine how a 4 letter acronym would make you feel

I'm chilling. You guys don't even understand that you're version of trolling is Disney compared to stuff my boys do in discord. I came here to talk about cards and sports, that's all. I don't expect a group of 50 year olds to start making up terms like little pu--ies. That's all good though. Noted and we move on.

[pmatic]

Statistically Jokic is great. The advanced stats love him.

What efficiency numbers are you saying Shaq could not touch? Let's look at them for Shaq. Top 20 in these three categories for 16 seasons.

Field Goal Pct:
1992-93 NBA .562 (4th)
1993-94 NBA .599 (1st)
1994-95 NBA .583 (2nd)
1995-96 NBA .573 (3rd)
1996-97 NBA .557 (4th)
1997-98 NBA .584 (1st)
1998-99 NBA .576 (1st)
1999-00 NBA .574 (1st)
2000-01 NBA .572 (1st)
2001-02 NBA .579 (1st)
2002-03 NBA .574 (2nd)
2003-04 NBA .584 (1st)
2004-05 NBA .601 (1st)
2005-06 NBA .600 (1st)
2007-08 NBA .593 (4th)
2008-09 NBA .609 (1st)

2-Pt Field Goal Pct:
1992-93 NBA .563 (4th)
1993-94 NBA .600 (1st)
1994-95 NBA .585 (2nd)
1995-96 NBA .573 (6th)
1996-97 NBA .559 (7th)
1997-98 NBA .584 (1st)
1998-99 NBA .577 (1st)
1999-00 NBA .575 (1st)
2000-01 NBA .573 (1st)
2001-02 NBA .580 (2nd)
2002-03 NBA .574 (2nd)
2003-04 NBA .584 (1st)
2004-05 NBA .601 (1st)
2005-06 NBA .600 (1st)
2007-08 NBA .593 (6th)
2008-09 NBA .610 (1st)

Effective Field Goal Pct:
1992-93 NBA .562 (6th)
1993-94 NBA .599 (1st)
1994-95 NBA .583 (3rd)
1995-96 NBA .574 (4th)
1996-97 NBA .557 (8th)
1997-98 NBA .584 (2nd)
1998-99 NBA .576 (1st)
1999-00 NBA .574 (2nd)
2000-01 NBA .572 (1st)
2001-02 NBA .579 (2nd)
2002-03 NBA .574 (2nd)
2003-04 NBA .584 (1st)
2004-05 NBA .601 (2nd)
2005-06 NBA .600 (1st)
2007-08 NBA .593 (6th)
2008-09 NBA .609 (1st)

Let's not also forget that teams also had to come up with the Hack-a-Shaq to try and stop him. He ended up shooting the second most free-throws of all-time with regular season and playoffs combined. A guy that "couldn't" shoot them was so damn dominant that he stayed on the floor despite that strategy.

Jokic has his pros. He's a mobile big man that has shown dominance in this era.

If you could somehow match both up in their prime, one or both will have two quick fouls against them. Shaq powering through Jokic down low. Jokic trying to pull Shaq away from the bucket and going around him.

This is good stuff and I appreciate this but I tend to go for TS% or some other means of efficiency on a macro level. I will address the post at a later time because it will take a bit more time but really good stuff indyguy:)!

[jplarson]

You guys don't even understand that you're version of trolling is Disney compared to stuff my boys do in discord.

:cry::cry::cry:

[jcardstore]

I'm chilling. You guys don't even understand that you're version of trolling is Disney compared to stuff my boys do in discord. I came here to talk about cards and sports, that's all. I don't expect a group of 50 year olds to start making up terms like little pu--ies. That's all good though. Noted and we move on.

If this is you chilling… your yearly drywall cost must be in the tens of thousands

[meltedvanilluxe]

FloridaCardGuy catching strays, that’s how you know you’ve made it on BO


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[pmatic]

I'm chilling. You guys don't even understand that you're version of trolling is Disney compared to stuff my boys do in discord. I came here to talk about cards and sports, that's all. I don't expect a group of 50 year olds to start making up terms like little pu--ies. That's all good though. Noted and we move on.

:cry: made me spit my coffee lol

[indyguy]

FloridaCardGuy catching strays, that’s how you know you’ve made it on BO


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This made me actually laugh out loud.

[phillyspecial17]

Absolutely not...Shaq likely has had the third highest peak behind MJ and LeBron

[indyguy]

This is good stuff and I appreciate this but I tend to go for TS% or some other means of efficiency on a macro level. I will address the post at a later time because it will take a bit more time but really good stuff indyguy:)!

Yeah, his TS% will be down due to the sheer amount of FTs he missed. He won't be an advanced stat darling.

[no10pin]

I'm chilling. You guys don't even understand that you're version of trolling is Disney compared to stuff my boys do in discord. I came here to talk about cards and sports, that's all. I don't expect a group of 50 year olds to start making up terms like little pu--ies. That's all good though. Noted and we move on.

Looks like he was right. We move on.

[TheFrenzy]

https://i.imgur.com/g2U8RM6.png

Now we'll see how long his other accounts last.

[indyguy]

Looks like he was right. We move on.

LOL...ban hammer already...wow. It takes a certain type...like a PBM!

[SupermanBrandon]

1 banned

[jcardstore]

That was fast lmao.

[jplarson]

I need ninjacookies to make sense in all of this. Him, daeve and NSGJT are some of the best in this board.

I'm gonna miss NinjaC and Daeve when they get cooked with their inevitable meltdowns.

[pmatic]

I'm gonna miss NinjaC and Daeve when they get cooked with their inevitable meltdowns.

There's plenty of posters here too that are really good and you can tell they follow the game closely but I specifically really enjoy reading those members posts. Ninja's humor is top notch and daeves basketball takes are relentless but with substance and backed up by numbers. :)! Don't think there's a bad bone in their bodies.

[pete2345]

Who are the 4 people who said yes? I gotta know.

[SupermanBrandon]

Homies been here for approx 30 days and he knows peoples tendencies, personality & posting history. Im sure he's not a PBM.

[pmatic]

I mean, you say that as if people cannot view the content of the board without being a member, it is open to public. I've already stated that I've lurked this forum since the pandemic when basketball cards became a huge thing but hey, I guess that's a novel idea to you. My first thread had lots of great responses but this thread seemed to have brought out the most toxic posters for no other reason than they do not agree with me.

I guess I miscalculated a bit and will be more mindful of what topics to create.

[jplarson]

There's plenty of posters here too that are really good and you can tell they follow the game closely but I specifically really enjoy reading those members posts. Ninja's humor is top notch and daeves basketball takes are relentless but with substance and backed up by numbers. :)! Don't think there's a bad bone in their bodies.

My apologies, my post was in jest and not meant to be taken literally.

The joke's setup was there were 3 people listed as some of "the best in this board" and one of them had a same day banning. The punchline was saying I was going to miss two longstanding and excellent members who are obviously not in danger of getting banned today.

[KhalDrogo]

I mean, you say that as if people cannot view the content of the board without being a member, it is open to public. I've already stated that I've lurked this forum since the pandemic when basketball cards became a huge thing but hey, I guess that's a novel idea to you. My first thread had lots of great responses but this thread seemed to have brought out the most toxic posters for no other reason than they do not agree with me.

I guess I miscalculated a bit and will be more mindful of what topics to create.
You talk too much to ever have been content just lurking.

[pcptrade]

what happened to goatcards? He is temporarily suspended:)

[SupermanBrandon]

You talk too much to ever have been content just lurking.

Bingo. 122 posts in 15 days. He wasn't just a lurker.

[pmatic]

New member eager to interact with existing members, guess that's not a possibility? Everyone has to be a pessimist?


Not aware there's a post count limit for new members trying to connect to established members who shares the same passion as his? :confused: I'll address these one last time, seems like you guys have an agenda to kick me out even though I've done nothing but discuss things in a positive manner and keep it all about basketball.

[TheFrenzy]

Bingo. 122 posts in 15 days. He wasn't just a lurker.

I'm just disappointed he thought I collected Baker Mayfield!

:doh:

[pcptrade]

I need ninjacookies to make sense in all of this. Him, daeve and NSGJT are some of the best in this board.

Where is ninja?

https://media4.giphy.com/media/h457JAygGYqT6/giphy.gif

[The Accountant]

Too much negativity

[Derekbauer]

Well that escalated quickly. That NSGJT guy is probably scrambling right now. He put wayyyyyy too much time into some of these threads.

[majestik101]

https://i.imgur.com/g2U8RM6.png



Cooked.

[Makakilo Cards]

Well that escalated quickly. That NSGJT guy is probably scrambling right now. He put wayyyyyy too much time into some of these threads.

I bet his boys are throwing some zingers on his discord right now lol

[pmatic]

I have to admit though, the poll is a landslide. I obviously voted for the Joker, curious who are the other 3 lol. Whoever you guys are, I appreciate you all.

I'll leave the thread for now with respect to the people running this forum but perhaps Jokic winning a title this year may persuade some heads come June? We'll see...

[6celtics33]

I bet his boys are throwing some zingers on his discord right now lol

Bro you don’t even realize. You’re too boomer and old head to get it.

Video games bro. Scottie Pippen top 15 all time.

Wilt and Russell suck.

Guy was a complete idiot. But a true believer I think.

[TheFrenzy]

https://i.imgur.com/duEaYFv.png

https://media.tenor.com/-gS-ft4nRzkAAAAC/interesting-batman.gif

[BlueXtreme]

What was he banned for?

[Makakilo Cards]

Bro you don’t even realize. You’re too boomer and old head to get it.

Video games bro. Scottie Pippen top 15 all time.

Wilt and Russell suck.

Guy was a complete idiot. But a true believer I think.

I will give him that. The self-righteousness was astounding.

[pcptrade]

What was he banned for?

He took BO very seriously :D

[jplarson]

What was he banned for?

He was very vocal about, um, the self care of others? Both in solo and circle formations. But nothing compared to what he and the boys do on discord.

[Kingofkings1281]

People that actually were adding to the conversation without being wet blanket trolls banned, yet the ones that make this place miserable on a daily basis remain. Sounds about right.

[pmatic]

People that actually were adding to the conversation without being wet blanket trolls banned, yet the ones that make this place miserable on a daily basis remain. Sounds about right.

Thank you! You've always been one of the most sensible poster in the board. I know I made a promise to indyguy for a follow up response but I'll make it up on him on some other time/topic. The thread had promised and that was the goal but this thread is past from being redeemed:(

[jcardstore]

People that actually were adding to the conversation without being wet blanket trolls banned, yet the ones that make this place miserable on a daily basis remain. Sounds about right.

Ah yes, the person swearing and calling everyone else names because they called him a PBM was totally adding to the conversation :cry:

[jcardstore]

https://i.imgur.com/duEaYFv.png

https://media.tenor.com/-gS-ft4nRzkAAAAC/interesting-batman.gif

Sure is interesting considering all the other posts get a response but this one is ignored :coffee:

[jplarson]

Sure is interesting considering all the other posts get a response but this one is ignored :coffee:


I figured he put me on ignore.

[oldgoldy97]

Good detective work, ROB!

[TheHeel]

I'm chilling. You guys don't even understand that you're version of trolling is Disney compared to stuff my boys do in discord. I came here to talk about cards and sports, that's all. I don't expect a group of 50 year olds to start making up terms like little pu--ies. That's all good though. Noted and we move on.

Looks like Kyle got the boot.

[oldgoldy97]

I figured he put me on ignore.

No one ever could or ever should put you on ignore.

[TheFrenzy]

Good detective work, ROB!

https://media.tenor.com/Rd4_FK_TAU0AAAAC/gronk-pats.gif

[49erRCCollector]

While I do agree this board is full of angry 50 year old men (myself included), it will never not be spectacular to see a new member self-implode.

[blowoutcards4]

What was he banned for?

Multiple accounts

[dizzy4111]

IDK how the hell this thread is so long already but just to answer the question: no, he wouldn't. But if he wins 2 rings as the undisputed man orchestrating everything and laying waste to everything in his path like he's done so far in these playoffs, then I think we can start that discussion.

[6celtics33]

Multiple accounts

Who was the other?

[pcptrade]

People that actually were adding to the conversation without being wet blanket trolls banned, yet the ones that make this place miserable on a daily basis remain. Sounds about right.

Who are the top #5? :)

[KhalDrogo]

Who are the top #5? :)
There’s only one.

:cry:

[pcptrade]

There’s only one.

:cry:

kings used plural (yet the ones...), so my guess he has more than one on his list:D

[Braswell10]

NSGJT had some good takes, it’s actually unfortunate he got banned. Blowout just continues to kill its forum.

[rhigh2390]

NSGJT had some good takes, it’s actually unfortunate he got banned. Blowout just continues to kill its forum.

I must have missed his good takes. All I saw from him were bad ones.

[6celtics33]

I must have missed his good takes. All I saw from him were bad ones.

He liked Lebron. That's all it takes. Insult after insult telling me to go lift or read books or use jergens on top of endless old people takes while he talks about video game playing is ok as long as you support Lebron.

[TheFrenzy]

NSGJT had some good takes.

No, the dude had an "I don't watch YouTube videos longer than 20 minutes" level understanding of the world.

[hermanotarjeta]

He liked Lebron. That's all it takes. Insult after insult telling me to go lift or read books or use jergens on top of endless old people takes while he talks about video game playing is ok as long as you support Lebron.

Why are all the folks who are banned all happen to be Bron fanz?

[TheFrenzy]

This poll makes the top 5 of most lopsided polls in BO history.

A thread so bad it's got me agreeing with Boo. Wild.

[6celtics33]

Why are all the folks who are banned all happen to be Bron fanz?

Must be something to do with living at momz and flipping burgerz when they aren’t playing video gamez and hustling prizm

That one liked to use big words too. He must have learned from the mean streets of discord.

[pcptrade]

Why are all the folks who are banned all happen to be Bron fanz?

NSGT had MJ as #1 (GOAT). So did GOATcards, who is also temporarily suspended :p

[rhigh2390]

He liked Lebron. That's all it takes. Insult after insult telling me to go lift or read books or use jergens on top of endless old people takes while he talks about video game playing is ok as long as you support Lebron.

Can't say I disagree with you. Just sad and annoying to see all these guys (kids) come along and diss on past all-time greats and say "you're just stuck in the past" if you don't agree.

[6celtics33]

In general with the age ism

Is it better to have lived through something and experience it or does that just make you a boomer and old head? For example, what possible knowledge will someone that is 5 right now have about Lebron’s career or abilities when he’s 30. I can’t wait to hear the analysis of why he couldn’t do such and such. And the you had to be there old heads changing their tunes.

[6celtics33]

Can't say I disagree with you. Just sad and annoying to see all these guys (kids) come along and diss on past all-time greats and say "you're just stuck in the past" if you don't agree.

Well, Scottie was great. Russell and Wilt, meh.

[rhigh2390]

Well, Scottie was great. Russell and Wilt, meh.

And Pippen almost got the Bulls to the Finals alone... Don't forget it

[6celtics33]

And Pippen almost got the Bulls to the Finals alone... Don't forget it

Just like the warriors and 76ers almost made the finals this year. I couldn’t forget if I tried.

[Braswell10]

Look at that, the Jordan super stan squad all appeared together!

I simply respected his takes because he at least put some sort of thought together and at least attempted to back up his reasoning. Nothing to do with Lebron.

Edit: still missing drob.

[6celtics33]

And Pippen almost got the Bulls to the Finals alone... Don't forget it

I think us talking to each other is triggering.

[hermanotarjeta]

NSGT had MJ as #1 (GOAT). So did GOATcards, who is also temporarily suspended :p

They only say that so other BO members will actually respond to them and take them seriously.

Otherwise, they are Bron bois at heart.

If they continued to rant about Bron being GOAT, they would have been suspended so much earlier.

It's funny that a proven risk factor associated with being suspended on these message boards is an affinity for Bron.

Other members need to tread carefully - Blind Bron homerism puts your active status on these boards at risk!

[pcptrade]

They only say that so other BO members will actually respond to them and take them seriously.

Otherwise, they are Bron bois at heart.

If they continued to rant about Bron being GOAT, they would have been suspended so much earlier.

It's funny that a proven risk factor associated with being suspended on these message boards is an affinity for Bron.

Other members need to tread carefully - Blind Bron homerism puts your active status on these boards at risk!

Just looked at GOATcards threads. I'd say he was more obsessed with MJ and he is suspended :p

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1521393

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1500890

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1476430

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1550181

NSGJT had only three threads and I don't see any specific pattern-

https://www.blowoutforums.com/search.php?searchid=47316439

[Kingofkings1281]

They only say that so other BO members will actually respond to them and take them seriously.

Otherwise, they are Bron bois at heart.

If they continued to rant about Bron being GOAT, they would have been suspended so much earlier.

It's funny that a proven risk factor associated with being suspended on these message boards is an affinity for Bron.

Other members need to tread carefully - Blind Bron homerism puts your active status on these boards at risk!

Exactly. We need more members like you that contribute absolutely nothing other than being an obnoxious try hard troll.

[Chris P]

Exactly. We need more members like you that contribute absolutely nothing other than being an obnoxious try hard troll.

Now lebron is responsible for BO bans!

[Kingofkings1281]

Now lebron is responsible for BO bans!

Who hasn’t he hurt?!

[hermanotarjeta]

Just looked at GOATcards threads. I'd say he was more obsessed with MJ and he is suspended :p

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1521393

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1500890

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1476430

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1550181

Man, i'm not sure what is worse -

1. pretending to be a Bron Boi but secretly idolizing Jordan.

or

2. actually being a Bron Boi

Some people just can't readily admit that Jordan is the undisputed GOAT.

They make the DECISION to pump Bron.

They JUMP around sides of the argument making confusing and contradicting opinions about Bron being the GOAT.

They FLOP and accuse Jordan fans of bullying and teaming up on them.

They state it's UNFAIR that the veteran posters don't get suspended because they get the most support from other BO veterans.

Sound familiar?

[pcptrade]

Exactly. We need more members like you that contribute absolutely nothing other than being an obnoxious try hard troll.

I know now who is #1 on your list:)

[Kingofkings1281]

Now I know who is #1 on your list:)

There can only be one winner haha

[blowoutcards4]

NSGJT had some good takes, it’s actually unfortunate he got banned. Blowout just continues to kill its forum.

Please read these rules and guidelines before posting/using the forums. Please PM an administrator if you have any questions. These rules are subject to change.


Rule #15: Do not create additional accounts. Additional accounts will be deleted or banned along with the original account.



I mean...... Its really not that hard to follow rules.

[KhalDrogo]

NSGJT had some good takes, it’s actually unfortunate he got banned. Blowout just continues to kill its forum.
Man. People really love to play the victim card here.

[Derekbauer]

Man. People really love to play the victim card here.

My favorite is when they create a fake backstory to explain why they’re a new member yet they know everything.

I remember him saying he was cleaning out his dads garage and going through all his old cards to sell. Lmao

[jcardstore]

but who was he?

[Braswell10]

Man. People really love to play the victim card here.

Who is playing victim? To say the forum is on a decline is not a reach…

[KhalDrogo]

Who is playing victim? To say the forum is on a decline is not a reach…
You just blamed Blowout for killing its forum for banning a guy who broke the rules, but shared similar opinions about basketball players as you. How is it Blowout’s fault he couldn’t follow the rules?

[Braswell10]

You just blamed Blowout for killing its forum for banning a guy who broke the rules, but shared similar opinions about basketball players as you. How is it Blowout’s fault he couldn’t follow the rules?

I’m still trying to figure out how him talking about Lebron has anything to do with me. I haven’t even mentioned Lebron?? He had multiple accounts, that’s unfortunate, doesn’t mean I can’t say he didn’t have some good posts.

And blowout does nothing to help its forum, that’s clear as day.

[KhalDrogo]

I’m still trying to figure out how him talking about Lebron has anything to do with me. I haven’t even mentioned Lebron?? He had multiple accounts, that’s unfortunate, doesn’t mean I can’t say he didn’t have some good posts.

And blowout does nothing to help its forum, that’s clear as day.
So tell us what Blowout should do differently.

[Braswell10]

So tell us what Blowout should do differently.

Market its forum. Right now it’s just the same handful of people talking in every single thread with no knowledge really being given.

Can you name one thing that blowout does that benefits it’s forum and could lead to new members joining?

[Derekbauer]

Market its forum. Right now it’s just the same handful of people talking in every single thread with no knowledge really being given.

Can you name one thing that blowout does that benefits it’s forum and could lead to new members joining?

I don’t come to blowout for the sports talk. It’s better for the actual hobby talk than most places which is its most intended purpose.

The sports sections are entertaining with some periods of good information.

[hermanotarjeta]

Market its forum. Right now it’s just the same handful of people talking in every single thread with no knowledge really being given.

Can you name one thing that blowout does that benefits it’s forum and could lead to new members joining?

So you are trying to recruit more members to bless us with their knowledge with threads like -“topps chrome Lebron rookie - the next $100,000 card?”

Because that’s what we got during the pandemic, and they came as quickly as they left.

For the people who stayed, believe it or not, there is an immense amount of sports card knowledge on these boards.

Not everyone here is trying to flip cards and pump to make money.

[TheFrenzy]

So we’re done talking about Jokic v. Shaq?

[BlueXtreme]

So we’re done talking about Jokic v. Shaq?

Shouldn’t even have started. Not yet.
Wonder what happens to this thread if Lakers win this series lol

[tjforce]

So we’re done talking about Jokic v. Shaq?

Will Jokic Prizm Bass ever reach the heights of Shaq 1992 Topps Bass at pandemic peak?

[hermanotarjeta]

So we’re done talking about Jokic v. Shaq?

How about if jimmy butler wins a ring this year, does he pass up Kobe Bryant?

[RainCityShecks]

How about if jimmy butler wins a ring this year, does he pass up Kobe Bryant?

Not even close in comparison to the original thread title. Joker has put up consistently historic INSANE stat lines during the last few regular seasons redefining what a C can do in the NBA. That is how this thread came to be. Jimmy Buckets, while I love watching him (esp playoff Jimmy), over the course of a season is only putting up historic #'s of times to the IL.

[TheFrenzy]

How about if jimmy butler wins a ring this year, does he pass up Kobe Bryant?

Not even close in comparison to the original thread title. Joker has put up consistently historic INSANE stat lines during the last few regular seasons redefining what a C can do in the NBA. That is how this thread came to be.

Do people in this part of Blowout normally miss such obvious jokes?

:confused:

[Braswell10]

Do people in this part of Blowout normally miss such obvious jokes?

:confused:

Yes :coffee:

[RainCityShecks]

Do people in this part of Blowout normally miss such obvious jokes?

:confused:

oh boy..........thanks for contributing :doh:

[TheFrenzy]

lol

This thread just keeps flushing them out into the open, huh?

[RainCityShecks]

lol

This thread just keeps flushing them out into the open, huh?

wow. :doh:

[TheFrenzy]

Why are there so many angry new accounts in this thread whose first posts all say "long-time lurker, finally decided join"?

[TheFrenzy]

https://i.imgur.com/duEaYFv.png

https://media.tenor.com/-gS-ft4nRzkAAAAC/interesting-batman.gif

Aaaaand now OP is banned too.

[KhalDrogo]

Market its forum. Right now it’s just the same handful of people talking in every single thread with no knowledge really being given.

Can you name one thing that blowout does that benefits it’s forum and could lead to new members joining?
I believe what you are looking for is Instagram.

If you’ve noticed, the quality and volume of the hobby talk here has declined significantly over the past three years. Might be thanks to price gouging, poor quality products being out months late, and crappy rookie classes across all sports.

[hermanotarjeta]

Not even close in comparison to the original thread title. Joker has put up consistently historic INSANE stat lines during the last few regular seasons redefining what a C can do in the NBA. That is how this thread came to be. Jimmy Buckets, while I love watching him (esp playoff Jimmy), over the course of a season is only putting up historic #'s of times to the IL.

But Kobe has played with multiple hall of famers during his career, including himself.

Jimmy buckets has played with zero hall of famers, like joker.

Jimmy has done it with zero support.

[jplarson]

Why are there so many angry new accounts in this thread whose first posts all say "long-time lurker, finally decided join"?

Remember when the ringleader mentioned his boys in discord? These are them.

Back to the OP. No, Shaq will still be ahead.

[SupermanBrandon]

Sorry guys, I'm usually much quicker on the PBM realization. I'm not sure I've ever been wrong on making that call. I was tricked at first but looking at the dedication to his thread, the knowing how people post but only having been here for a month + some of the verbiage/phrasing...we have us a 100% bonafide PBM.

Its like shooting fish in a barrel. 2 down. Any others want to join?

My record remains flawless.

[TheFrenzy]

Remember when the ringleader mentioned his boys in discord? These are them.

They should just start their own thread in Off Topic to openly coordinate their activity like real Blowout OGs.

[TheFrenzy]

My record remains flawless.

We might disagree on the college football playoff structure, but I always appreciate a good troll hunter.

[NeedChapmans]

A title will help, but it will take more time. So many people (including NBA reporters, media etc.) coming out of the woodwork this week to admit this is the first time they've ever watched the 2-time MVP play a basketball game means many fans / collectors probably have some catch-up to do too.

Shaq is a name everyone knows, everyone has seen. Jokic and no matter how many awards/titles he wins, he may never reach Shaq levels.

[SupermanBrandon]

A title will help, but it will take more time. So many people (including NBA reporters, media etc.) coming out of the woodwork this week to admit this is the first time they've ever watched the 2-time MVP play a basketball game means many fans / collectors probably have some catch-up to do too.

Shaq is a name everyone knows, everyone has seen. Jokic and no matter how many awards/titles he wins, he may never reach Shaq levels.

Joker isn't marketable in the least while Shaq is the actual definition of marketable. They will NEVER be remotely close in that realm.

[NeedChapmans]

Joker isn't marketable in the least while Shaq is the actual definition of marketable. They will NEVER be remotely close in that realm.

Jokic is extremely marketable. But there is no want or desire to do so.

[pcptrade]

My record remains flawless.

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[BGT Masters]

But Kobe has played with multiple hall of famers during his career, including himself.

Jimmy buckets has played with zero hall of famers, like joker.

Jimmy has done it with zero support.

I get what you're saying with the zero support thing. He's actually played with a few HOfers I believe, just not when they were worth a damn late in their careers. One of those being Pau Gasol. Also a few others that could possibly make it.

[Arianny_Fan]

Depends what you smoking :cry:

[rats60]

So if the Heat beat the Nuggets and Jimmy Butler wins finals MVP, does he pass both Shaq and Jokic as well as Durant, Curry, Giannis, ect. He would have to be a top 5 player all time to win with an 8 seed roster. Amiright.

[jplarson]

So if the Heat beat the Nuggets and Jimmy Butler wins finals MVP, does he pass both Shaq and Jokic as well as Durant, Curry, Giannis, ect. He would have to be a top 5 player all time to win with an 8 seed roster. Amiright.

Not sure he cracks the top 5 yet but he'd be at least the best player the Heat and the Bulls ever had on their rosters.

sipSipSIP

[tjforce]

Not sure he cracks the top 5 yet but he'd be at least the best player the Heat and the Bulls ever had on their rosters.

sipSipSIP

Combined, or just singular?

Because I think it might make him better than Jordan's athleticism + LeBron's physicality + Luc Longley's sex appeal.

Thoughts?

[pingbling23]

Combined, or just singular?

Because I think it might make him better than Jordan's athleticism + LeBron's physicality + Luc Longley's sex appeal.

Thoughts?

luc longley? i was more of a bill wennington guy.

[rats60]

Combined, or just singular?

Because I think it might make him better than Jordan's athleticism + LeBron's physicality + Luc Longley's sex appeal.

Thoughts?

Did Jordan or LeBron take an 8 seed to a championship?
I remember when Jordan's Bulls were an 8-seed, they got swept by the Celtics. It is easy to win championships with a stacked roster. What Jimmy Butler is doing is unprecedented.

[Kingofkings1281]

Did Jordan or LeBron take an 8 seed to a championship?
I remember when Jordan's Bulls were an 8-seed, they got swept by the Celtics. It is easy to win championships with a stacked roster. What Jimmy Butler is doing is unprecedented.

And he’s doing it with a bunch of undrafted free agents for the most part. He’s pretty much willing them to victory over far more talented teams. It’s highly impressive and fun to watch.

[EBCollectibles]

Shaq could shoot outside of 1 ft. Dunk and Rebound was all he could do.

[Kingofkings1281]

Shaq could shoot outside of 1 ft. Dunk and Rebound was all he could do.

Wow! Scorching hot take!

[pingbling23]

Shaq could shoot outside of 1 ft. Dunk and Rebound was all he could do.

well he made good use of his skill set then. he had a decent career.