2023 Update Rookies? Which rookie carries the product?

[atomic619jd]

Assuming we can still use the 2022 logic with Topps Now 'Rookie' vs 'Call Up' designations, which rookies would even be in Update this year?

Seems like a very weak crop of Rookies left assuming Elly, Henry Davis, etc. get held out for 2024 Series 1.

Luckily for Fanatics, people will buy regardless but I can't see this release holding any value after release.

[towerymt]

Can you list the RCs from Topps Now?

[atomic619jd]

Can you list the RCs from Topps Now?

Looking at the archive:
Yoshida
Gunnar
Brandon Williamson
Nolan Jones
Bobby Miller
Corbin Carroll
Will Brennan
Kody Clemens
Randy Vasquez
Joey Wiemer
Tom Cosgrove
Miguel Amaya
Andruw Monasterio
Blake Perkins
Michael Massey
Ezequiel Tovar
Matt Mclain
Chris Morel
Patrick Bailey
Eury Perez
Senga

Call-up:
Elly
Grae Kessinger
Joe Jacques
Andrew Abbott
Emmet Sheehan
Aj Smith-Shawver
Luis Matos
Keaton Winn
Ricky Karcher
Coco Montes
Reese Olson

[cj828282]

Matt McLain and Matt Mervis are the only two I am aware of but sure there are others.

[towerymt]

Thats a start. Now drop the ones already in S1 or S2. I don't see anyone to chase in Update.

Elly would have sold a lot of Update.

[cj828282]

Thats a start. Now drop the ones already in S1 or S2. I don't see anyone to chase in Update.

Elly would have sold a lot of Update.

Yeah and it will impact TCU as well. But that was a crap product last year so par for the course.

[kingchromium24]

You mean you dont want EVERYONEs RC Debut card?

[ObanMontecristo]

You mean you dont want EVERYONEs RC Debut card?

I don’t. It’s just another throw-away RC Logo card which has less appeal/value than a true RC, IMO

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Eury Perez!

[ClevelandIC]

Eury Perez!

I think he is a pretty big one but people hate pitchers. More for us.

Tanner Bibee
Bryce Miller
Bobby Miller (People might care)
Logan Allen
Brandon Williamson
Joey Weimer (I think his flash has already happened)
Matt McLain (Biggest name so far)
Patrick Bailey
Matt Mervis (AAAA?)
Andruw Monasterio
Enmanuel Valdez (Wish he was 2-3 years younger)
Taj Bradley (Rays are gonna Rays)
Blake Sabol
Casey Schmitt

This is off the top of my head. I might have someone who already has a Series 2 rookie.

[Shankweather]

Not a big needle-mover, but Justin Steele will be in Topps Update.

[SupermanBrandon]

That RC list is atrocious. Throw in the price tag, print run and lack of quality control...this is one of the easiest passes of the last few years.

[ClevelandIC]

Not a big needle-mover, but Justin Steele will be in Topps Update.

His cards will sell for sure, little older but showed he has some big swing and miss capabilities

[marterburn]

I love him, he as as high of a ceiling as literally any pitcher, but Eury is about to be throttled down because he's never been above 77 IP. That'll probably provide a bit of a dip for Update.

Edit: had it wrong in my head. 78 IP is his max.

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[ClevelandIC]

That RC list is atrocious. Throw in the price tag, print run and lack of quality control...this is one of the easiest passes of the last few years.

People can find this post in just about every Topps Update thread ever (2020 might be the worst product ever created so I'll give you that one) - What makes Update such an easy hold product has been the depth of checklists.

2019 Topps Update has one of only two rookies of Luis Arraez, one of the biggest storylines of the 2023 season.

That rookie list seems weak now but there will be more. Eury Perez could be the 2038 Clayton Kershaw/Max Scherzer - Lock for hall of fame.

These sweeping statements are never wrong. ;)

[ObanMontecristo]

Gabriel Moreno might have another RC but in a D-Backs jersey, post-trade (similar to Arozarena in 2020- Cardinals/Rays).

[Handsome Wes]

Assuming we can still use the 2022 logic with Topps Now 'Rookie' vs 'Call Up' designations, which rookies would even be in Update this year?

Seems like a very weak crop of Rookies left assuming Elly, Henry Davis, etc. get held out for 2024 Series 1.

Luckily for Fanatics, people will buy regardless but I can't see this release holding any value after release.

Yeah, last year Topps didn't have Adley in Update despite the fact that he debuted in late May. I think when I looked through the product / checklist, the "updates" stopped around that time (as in, if something happened on June 1st or later, it didn't reflect in the checklist).

So basically you need to find someone who debuted before June 1st and didn't appear in Series 2 (which excludes Jordan Walker / Kodai Senga / Corbin Carroll / Yoshida / Volpe etc.)

All that to say, congrats to fans of guys like Zach Neto, Eury Perez, Matt McLain and Ryan Noda! Your favorite stars are going to be carrying an entire set this fall!

[corockies]

Gabriel Moreno might have another RC but in a D-Backs jersey, post-trade (similar to Arozarena in 2020- Cardinals/Rays).

Same for Nolan Jones (is in a Guardians uni in 2023 series 1) Guardians/Rockies

[green4407]

I'd say Jesse Scholtens will carry it.

[Zauron]

I didn't see any initial thread for 2023 Update, but i was thinking, is this year's update going to be ugly in terms of desirability?

[ThoseBackPages]

I didn't see any initial thread for 2023 Update, but i was thinking, is this year's update going to be ugly in terms of desirability?

for Rookie Cards? yea, i would say it will be pretty hobby cares bare

[JAM061200]

2024 Series 1 should be the one to get with Elly, Strand, Frelick, Henry Davis, Julien, Gelof & Soderstrom. Probably more because they may add some of the August call ups to Series 1 as well. Still have a lot of August to go.

[premium1981]

2024 Series 1 should be the one to get with Elly, Strand, Frelick, Henry Davis, Julien, Gelof & Soderstrom. Probably more because they may add some of the August call ups to Series 1 as well. Still have a lot of August to go.

They will hold players for series 2. Corbin Carroll debuted mid august last year and was held for series 2.

[towerymt]

I didn't see any initial thread for 2023 Update, but i was thinking, is this year's update going to be ugly in terms of desirability?

1952
2018
2084

Projection systems suggest 61 years til Update is good again :coffee:

[atk825]

1952
2018
2084

Projection systems suggest 61 years til Update is good again :coffee:

2014 Update is good.

[ObanMontecristo]

2011 Update was pretty good too

[marterburn]

Sorting by date of debut and throwing out the guys who looked like they were the S2 cutoff, here's the potential names for Update:

Edouard Julien
Taj Bradley
Peyton Battenfield
Braden Bristo
Hogan Harris
Zach Neto
Casey Legumina
José Caballero
George Soriano
Brett Sullivan
Enmanuel Valdez
Levi Stoudt
Blake Perkins
Mason Miller
Brent Headrick
Tristan Beck
Logan Allen
Brenton Doyle
Michael Busch
Luis Medina
Drew Maggi
Tanner Bibee
Joey Ortiz
Tom Cosgrove
Cody Bolton
Dominic Fletcher
David Fry
Guillermo Zuñiga
Bryce Miller
Xavier Edwards
Gavin Stone
Brandon Pfaadt
Zach Muckenhirn
Jake Irvin
Sammy Peralta
Austin Cox
Miguel Amaya
Braden Shewmake
Matt Mervis
Juan Then
J.P. France
Casey Schmitt
Jake Alu
Eury Pérez
Garrett Acton
Matt McLain
Cody Bradford
Brandon Williamson
Josh Walker
Brayan Rocchio
Riley Pint
Karl Kauffmann
Lucas Erceg
Patrick Bailey
Ryan Walker
Bobby Miller

Gray area - no Topps Now so we don't know:

Eduardo Salazar
Randy Vásquez
Sam Bachman
Andruw Monasterio
Joe La Sorsa
Ben Joyce
Blair Calvo
Grant Anderson

Will NOT be a RC in Update based on debut date:

Reese Olson
Bryan Woo
José Soriano
TJ Hopkins
AJ Smith-Shawver
Luken Baker
Andrew Abbott
Elly De La Cruz
Nick Robertson
Chris Murphy
Grae Kessinger
Jonny Deluca
José Lopez
Coco Montes
Ricky Karcher
Joe Jacques
Ty Adcock
Keaton Winn
Owen White
Brendan White
Luis Matos
Osvaldo Bido
Emmet Sheehan

...and everyone after this falls into the "obviously not" category.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Still still won’t be anywhere near as bad as 2020 Update was.

[atk825]

They really missed the ball not having Elly in Update. I can definitely see his stock being a good bit cooler by the time 2024 S1 drops than he would have been in Update. He's fortunate S1 drops before the season starts, but dude does have a 101 OPS+. It's not like he's just destroying the league.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Obviously ‘24 Series 1 will sell just fine with or without Elly, but guess what, so will ‘23 Update. The benefit of having him in the 2024 releases has nothing to do with Flagship, it has everything to do with all the other 2024 releases that Elly will be in now. The boost that Elly would have given to ‘23 Update is peanuts compared to the combined boost Elly will give to all the mid tier and low end 2024 releases.

[SupermanBrandon]

Put Elly in minimal releases in 2023 or put him in every release in 2024? Money talks!

[goyder43]

Did I miss Gavin Williams in that list? I think he’s make the cut if I remembered correctly. Certainly not sexy but there look to be a few potential next gen pitching studs in that list.

[marterburn]

Did I miss Gavin Williams in that list? I think he’s make the cut if I remembered correctly. Certainly not sexy but there look to be a few potential next gen pitching studs in that list.Debuted June 21.

'Early June' is the usual cutoff. It was earlier than that last year. Looks to be May 24-June 1 this year.

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[jduds]

Julien and Neto are decentish and there are some hyped young pitchers. I think the secondary rookies of the Series 1 and 2 guys can carry a lot of weight IF they nail the pictures. Some of them have pretty boring images and collectors will chase cool-looking cards.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Why doesn't McLain get more love? All he does is hit and play good defense.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Why doesn't McLain get more love? All he does is hit and play good defense.

He wasn’t a prospect darling coming up, and he started his career “too late” for most investors here.

(See Pete Alonso.)

[SupermanBrandon]

Why doesn't McLain get more love? All he does is hit and play good defense.

Well...he doesn't pimp the homers brah. You gotta have chains dangling.

[Zauron]

Obviously ‘24 Series 1 will sell just fine with or without Elly, but guess what, so will ‘23 Update. The benefit of having him in the 2024 releases has nothing to do with Flagship, it has everything to do with all the other 2024 releases that Elly will be in now. The boost that Elly would have given to ‘23 Update is peanuts compared to the combined boost Elly will give to all the mid tier and low end 2024 releases.

I'm not so sure 23 Update will sell just fine.

I can see this being like 2021 where prices are cheap.

[cardsin47]

There could be no one to carry this Years Set. I think there’s a general Hobby expectation for there to be Winners more often than not with the Update Product. If you go back 10 or even 15 Years, you’ll see that’s just not the case.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

I'm not so sure 23 Update will sell just fine.

I can see this being like 2021 where prices are cheap.

Aftermarket? Sure. Either way, Topps doesn’t care as much about that as they care about their entire 2024 product line.

[cj828282]

Here is the checklist to know for sure.

https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/MLB2303-2023ToppsUpdateSeriesBBChecklistFinal.pdf

Really ticks me off that this does not come out for a few weeks but we still have no checklist for Logofractor or odds for Sapphire and Logo.

[theredmenace]

No SP or SSPs listed, good to see Nolan Jones will get an actual Rockies jersey in this release.

[BBases31]

Why doesn't McLain get more love? All he does is hit and play good defense.

More love? His BC Auto is $150. He’s pretty expensive. Far too expensive for a Red with 3.2 career WAR who will be 25 next season

[anusinha]

Here is the checklist to know for sure.

https://www.topps.com/media/pdf/MLB2303-2023ToppsUpdateSeriesBBChecklistFinal.pdf

Really ticks me off that this does not come out for a few weeks but we still have no checklist for Logofractor or odds for Sapphire and Logo.

woof..... black friday clearance specials.

Grayson Rodriguez? Jeter Downs? Zach Neto? Those are your headliners?

[atk825]

woof..... black friday clearance specials.

Grayson Rodriguez? Jeter Downs? Zach Neto? Those are your headliners?

Rough list. Would guess that Eury Perez and Grayson Rodriguez have the best shots long term, though with pitchers it's a much longer shot.

[KhalDrogo]

Good checklist. Has all the big name RDs. Y’all damn well know a Carroll RD will outsell everyone else.

Please everyone sell me Grayson Black, Clear, and Platinum.

[ThoseBackPages]

RD subset sucks

lets hope they at least put BWJ on the packaging

[BRob1]

woof..... black friday clearance specials.

Grayson Rodriguez? Jeter Downs? Zach Neto? Those are your headliners?


I would say Matt McClain is the headliner


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[STLtoMN]

Edouard Julien and Nolan Jones are intriguing... but neither seem to be hobby good yet

[KhalDrogo]

RD subset sucks

lets hope they at least put BWJ on the packaging
If it weren’t for RD, we’d have no Ohtani Flagship batting rookie logo cards!

[ThoseBackPages]

If it weren’t for RD, we’d have no Ohtani Flagship batting rookie logo cards!

and that would be fine

[atk825]

Edouard Julien and Nolan Jones are intriguing... but neither seem to be hobby good yet

It's always funny to point out that rookies, even good ones like James Outman and Nolan Jones, are still both older than Juan Soto.

[LVDan]

lotsa decent maybes but certainly no names the masses are frothing at the mouth for like Julio last year
I like in order-ish
Perez
Jones
Neto
Julien
McClain
Grayson
Bradley
Bibee
then youve got a bucket of guys like Rocchio, Miller, Stone, Allen and a few others with mild upside

[rwperu34]

lotsa decent maybes but certainly no names the masses are frothing at the mouth for like Julio last year
I like in order-ish
Perez
Jones
Neto
Julien
McClain
Grayson
Bradley
Bibee
then youve got a bucket of guys like Rocchio, Miller, Stone, Allen and a few others with mild upside

I hate that a pitcher is #1 on the list, but I agree it's Perez...by a not-so-close margin. I'd go Neto at #2 since I, and seemingly I alone, think he's got real upside.

[JWBlue]

Neto is the sleeper.

[pezzicle]

I think he is a pretty big one but people hate pitchers. More for us.

Tanner Bibee
Bryce Miller
Bobby Miller (People might care)
Logan Allen
Brandon Williamson
Joey Weimer (I think his flash has already happened)
Matt McLain (Biggest name so far)
Patrick Bailey
Matt Mervis (AAAA?)
Andruw Monasterio
Enmanuel Valdez (Wish he was 2-3 years younger)
Taj Bradley (Rays are gonna Rays)
Blake Sabol
Casey Schmitt

This is off the top of my head. I might have someone who already has a Series 2 rookie.

it is very pitcher heavy for sure

which is fine with me i like collecting a few pitchers cause they are cheap

[Zauron]

It will have some nice upside names, but this just proves update should be cheap this year with no clear studs at release