2024 NFL HOF Candidates

[packman80]

HOF released the 2024 senior and coach/contributor semifinalist list. Up to 3 senior names can be picked and one coach/contributor name can be picked.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38001146/pro-football-hof-tabs-senior-coach-class-24-semifinalists

For the senior's I would go Ken Anderson, Billy Anderson, Clay Matthews Jr.

For coach/contributor I would go with Marty Schottenheimer

[texmrsport]

Seniors: Tommy Nobis, Ken Anderson, Randy Gradishar
Coach/contributor: George Seifert

[packman80]

Seniors: Tommy Nobis, Ken Anderson, Randy Gradishar
Coach/contributor: George Seifert

Never thought much of Seifert thought he rode Walsh coat tails and the team he had was already a SB team when he took over.

[49erRCCollector]

Never thought much of Seifert thought he rode Walsh coat tails and the team he had was already a SB team when he took over.

I think Walsh is the best HC in NFL history (Homer take, I know, I love Bill B as well) but... one could make the case it doesn't happen without Seifert.

Starting in 1981, not counting the 1982 strike-shortened seasons the D rank for points allowed for the 49ers were: 2, 4, 1 2, 3, 3, 8, 3, 2, 4, 3, 16, 6, 2, 4.

That 1993 16th rank being an outlier. That's mostly Seifert. He was DC for 1983 on, and DB coach '81-'82 when they had the best DB quad in the league.

He is the team's winningest coach (over Walsh).

He won 2 Super Bowls. 55-10 and 49-26.

If you read up on his defensive schemes they were every bit as progressive, complicated and revolutionary as Walsh's offense, and the players will say as much. The 1984 season is a great example.

Walsh leaned into his "Genius" tag - Seifert was there every step of the way, but was always a bit more quiet and intense.

[asujbl]

Clay Matthews not being in already is a travesty

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[21Pittsburgh58]

Clay Matthews for sure! That guy was steady and awesome

[majestik101]

I'd be fine with any of the following

Steve McMichael
Wilbur Marshall
Hines Ward
Clay Matthews Jr.
Roger Craig
Ken Anderson

[asujbl]

I'd be fine with any of the following

Steve McMichael
Wilbur Marshall
Hines Ward
Clay Matthews Jr.
Roger Craig
Ken Anderson

I like this list

I could probably argue a few but honestly not by much

[jplarson]

I'd be fine with any of the following

Steve McMichael
Wilbur Marshall
Hines Ward
Clay Matthews Jr.
Roger Craig
Ken Anderson

Strong list. I don't think you have them in any particular order. I'd probably have Anderson at the top of the list and Matthews at the bottom but all good picks.

RE: Matthews, I don't think comparing him to Brooks and Seau helps his case. Seau made 12 straight Pro Bowls, 6 1st Team All Pros, an All-Decades Team, and in the running for DPOY a number of times. Brooks made 11 Pro Bowls (10 straight), 5 1st Team All Pros, an All-Decades Team, and a DPoY. Matthews picked up 4 Pro Bowls. Didn't seem like he was an overly dominant player of his generation though I'll grant he very well could have been overlooked being in Cleveland. he stinks in Tecmo Super Bowl (https://tecmogeek.com/players/lb/).

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[foleylion08]

Matthews doesn't do it for me, sorry. Hall of very good. Long career, stat compiler (as evidenced by the graphics above). Most career games for a linebacker in fact. Goes back to the argument many make in the Gore threads. Was he ever the best linebacker in the league? 4 Pro Bowls and one AP2 selection.

And if Matthews gets in, Cornelius Bennett should start getting fitted for his coat in a couple years as a senior member.

Hell I'd take Clay Matthews III over Jr.

[asujbl]

Matthews doesn't do it for me, sorry. Hall of very good. Long career, stat compiler (as evidenced by the graphics above). Most career games for a linebacker in fact. Goes back to the argument many make in the Gore threads. Was he ever the best linebacker in the league? 4 Pro Bowls and one AP2 selection.

And if Matthews gets in, Cornelius Bennett should start getting fitted for his coat in a couple years as a senior member.

Hell I'd take Clay Matthews III over Jr.

You probably loved Terrell Davis

Also how old are you?

[asujbl]

If you watched Football from 1980-1988 (ish) then you can comment on Matthews

[foleylion08]

You probably loved Terrell Davis

Also how old are you?


Not a big TD fan actually. I enjoyed his play, I don’t put him in the HOF though.

Age is irrelevant. He got beat out for the 80s HOF second team by John Anderson and Carl Banks. Several 80s linebackers are deservedly HOFers.

He ain’t it.

[88horsepower]

Seifert doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves for what he did to contribute to all of those Super Bowls, not just as a HC, but as an assistant.

[asujbl]

Not a big TD fan actually. I enjoyed his play, I don’t put him in the HOF though.

Age is irrelevant. He got beat out for the 80s HOF second team by John Anderson and Carl Banks. Several 80s linebackers are deservedly HOFers.

He ain’t it.

You’re wrong

You don’t understand football. It’s quite obvious

I forgive you though

[jplarson]

You’re wrong

You don’t understand football. It’s quite obvious

I forgive you though

Do you have a sense for why Matthews wasn't earning more All Pro nods? To go towards what Foley mentioned, his yearly awards don't really measure up to other HoFers. Did he wind up overlapping with a lot of great linebackers? Had he played a decade before he would have been looked on more favorably?

[foleylion08]

You’re wrong

You don’t understand football. It’s quite obvious

I forgive you though


I’ll defer to those who do. Like HOF voters. Who have left him out thus far. And who didn’t consider him good enough for a decade team. And the media who didn’t think he was a Pro Bowler but four times in the longest career of a linebacker. Blame playing in Cleveland. Say I’m too young. On paper, he doesn’t have the pedigree. You can’t post graphics showing him having better stats than a couple HOFers then say I don’t understand football when I posit someone who is objectively better almost across the board.


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[asujbl]

I’ll defer to those who do. Like HOF voters. Who have left him out thus far. And who didn’t consider him good enough for a decade team. And the media who didn’t think he was a Pro Bowler but four times in the longest career of a linebacker. Blame playing in Cleveland. Say I’m too young. On paper, he doesn’t have the pedigree. You can’t post graphics showing him having better stats than a couple HOFers then say I don’t understand football when I posit someone who is objectively better almost across the board.


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I do. Thanks

You’re too young

That’s clear

[asujbl]

I’ll defer to those who do. Like HOF voters. Who have left him out thus far. And who didn’t consider him good enough for a decade team. And the media who didn’t think he was a Pro Bowler but four times in the longest career of a linebacker. Blame playing in Cleveland. Say I’m too young. On paper, he doesn’t have the pedigree. You can’t post graphics showing him having better stats than a couple HOFers then say I don’t understand football when I posit someone who is objectively better almost across the board.


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You also not knowing how Pro Bowl voting works is an indictment

[49erRCCollector]

Matthews doesn't do it for me, sorry. Hall of very good. Long career, stat compiler (as evidenced by the graphics above). Most career games for a linebacker in fact. Goes back to the argument many make in the Gore threads. Was he ever the best linebacker in the league? 4 Pro Bowls and one AP2 selection.

And if Matthews gets in, Cornelius Bennett should start getting fitted for his coat in a couple years as a senior member.

Hell I'd take Clay Matthews III over Jr.

Whoa! Easy, there, chief.

Bash Matthews all you want but you keep Gore's future-Hall-of-Fame name out of your mouth!

[ssbledsoe]

Bob Kraft as obvious cumtributor

[asujbl]

Side note if you are a gambler

Art Modell will never get in the HOF. I don’t know what the odds are

But it’s free money

The NFL will fold before the riot that would happen in Canton

[kluke84]

Otitis Anderson
Sterling Sharpe
Clay Matthews Jr

Tom Coughlin

[packman80]

Whoa! Easy, there, chief.

Bash Matthews all you want but you keep Gore's future-Hall-of-Fame name out of your mouth!

Hopefully Gore goes into HOF got some 05 Topps Football PSA 9 of his graded in hopes he would go into HOF maybe get me a extra 5-10 bucks for each card if he does.

[oplum29]

Never thought much of Seifert thought he rode Walsh coat tails and the team he had was already a SB team when he took over.

you are right about that 89' Championship team, however Seifert was also the defensive back's coach in 81' (when the 49ers played 3 rookies in the secondary), he was the DC for the 84' team that went 18-1 and shutdown Marino to only 16 points in the SB, and the 88' team before he became a HC in 89'.

he finally got the 49ers over the top in 94', so i think he's a good consideration, considering what he did for the game.

[49erRCCollector]

Hopefully Gore goes into HOF got some 05 Topps Football PSA 9 of his graded in hopes he would go into HOF maybe get me a extra 5-10 bucks for each card if he does.

Now you’re just trying to hurt feelings.

[Baraka]

They gotta let Mongo in.

[Retired hobbist]

I'd be fine with any of the following

Steve McMichael
Wilbur Marshall
Hines Ward
Clay Matthews Jr.
Roger Craig
Ken Anderson

All are worthy and deserve enshrinement. There are others who fell through the cracks like Randy G. I would hope if 3 seniors are making it this year that true old timers from the all decades teams of the 30's through 60's go in too.

[Archangel1775]

I'd go with three three: (Bios from https://www.profootballhof.com/news/2023/60-semifinalists-named-for-class-of-2024-in-senior,-coach-contributor-categories/)

Jim Marshall (defensive end, 1960-1979): After starting his NFL career with the Cleveland Browns, Marshall was traded to Minnesota, where he would play the next 19 seasons without missing a game. Marshall’s 282 consecutive games played are the most by a defensive player, and his streak is 58 games longer than the next closest defensive lineman. A member of the Vikings famed “Purple People Eaters” defensive front, Marshall earned two Pro Bowl selections and has been credited with 130.5 sacks.

Everson Walls (cornerback, 1981-1993): Playing most of his career with the Dallas Cowboys, Walls made three first-team All-Pro teams, four Pro Bowls and led the NFL in interceptions three times while in Dallas. He finished his career with the New York Giants and Cleveland Browns and helped New York to victory in Super Bowl XXV.

Tommy Nobis (linebacker, 1966-1976): First player the expansion Atlanta Falcons drafted and played his entire career in Atlanta. He won NFL Rookie of the Year, played in five Pro Bowls, selected first-team All-Pro (1967) and is a member of the NFL’s All-Decade Team of the 1960s.

[Zauron]

I wish more people understood how great Gradishar was and there was more pumping of getting him into the HOF.

[dcbillsPC]

Steve Tasker

[longhornjunkie]

Steve Tasker

Careful, you'll trigger people in here.

[Scottish Punk]

I see some of the names have fallen off the regular ballot and are now up to the senior committee. Craig, Ellard, Walls, etc. Those guys made the finalist list a few times.

My 3 picks for seniors would be Ken Anderson, Gradishier, Marshal (Matthews toss up).
Coach - Holmgern I guess.

[PrimeTimeScott]

I wish more people understood how great Gradishar was and there was more pumping of getting him into the HOF.

I couldn't agree more!!

[bamafan3559]

Ken Anderson
Randy Gradishar
Sterling Sharpe

Bob Kraft

Would also be fine with Nobis, Walls, Kenn, or Jacoby as a senior selection (Seifert, Schottenheimer, or Shannahan for contributer).

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1st team All Pro
Matthews 0
Seau 6
Brooks 5

2nd team All Pro
Matthews 1
Seau 3
Brooks 4

It is pretty clear why Matthews doesn't belong in the HOF. The HOF is for the best players.

[packman80]

1st team All Pro
Matthews 0
Seau 6
Brooks 5

2nd team All Pro
Matthews 1
Seau 3
Brooks 4

It is pretty clear why Matthews doesn't belong in the HOF. The HOF is for the best players.

All pros remember voted on media. They can be bias too voting for this guy over that guy because they like someone better.

[Archangel1775]

Do you guys think they'll balance the senior nominees by position? So an offense and defense mix? I picked three defenders but feel like they'll do that for some reason.

[Retired hobbist]

George Kunz deserves induction has a bushel of Pro Bowl nominations but was forgotten because he was a lineman.

[packman80]

Going to throw a possible senior name out

Cecil Isbell. played only 5 years but was a 1st team all pro once and 2nd team all pro 4 times. Also had a unheard of year at time for a QB when he threw over 2K yards (first player to ever throw for over 2K in a season) and 24 TDs in a season also a record at the time.

[oplum29]

i finally went over the list, my goodness, that's a list of who's who right there. a ton of great players and great names on it.

since we can only pick three, i went with:

- Sterling Sharpe
only played 7 years in the NFL, retired early because of a neck injury. in those 7 years he was a 5X Pro Bowler, 3X First Team NFL, 3 times led the league in catches, had the first ever back-to-back 100 catch seasons, set the NFL single season record in catches, won the Triple Crown at WR, and one of the most iconic TD's in playoff history. he deserves his due. if Gale Sayers and Terrell Davis can get in with short careers, then Sharpe can too.

- Roger Craig
Roger redefined the RB position in the NFL to become a dual-threat guy (hello guys like Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, Reggie Bush, and CM22). He was the first player to rush and run for 1,000 yards in a season. He led the NFL in catches (remember that he played RB), and he's the only player elected to the Pro Bowl as both a FB and RB. He's a 3X champ, 4X Pro Bowler, NFL OPOY, was the first player in SB history to score 3 TDs, and a member of the All-Decade team (1980s). the 49ers aren't winning 3 SBs in the 80's without Roger being there at RB. He was the missing piece to the offense that became a dynasty.

- Charlie Conerly
maybe this is just me being a QB guy, but how is Charlie not in the HOF? when you talk about the history of the game, when you talk about the great QBs of the game, the best QBs of the 1950s, when you think of the "Greatest game ever played" (it wasn't just Unitas playing), the guy who falls under this list...Charlie Conerly. A Pro Bowler, League MVP, Champion, and leader of the Giants team that went to 4 Championships in six years.

others to consider:

- Joe Jacoby
All-Decade team (1980s), 3X SB Champ, 4X Pro Bowler, 3X First Team All-Pro, and a member of "The Hogs"

- Tommy Nobis
All-Decade team (1960s), 5X Pro Bowler, ROY, Drafted in the Top 5 in both the NFL and AFL draft, first ever draft pick by the Falcons

[rats60]

All pros remember voted on media. They can be bias too voting for this guy over that guy because they like someone better.

Did he screw all their wives? 1 2nd team in 19 seasons. That is a guy who accumulated a lot of stats on bad teams, 3 playoff wins in his career. There are a lot more deserving players who should to be in before they turn it into the Hall Of Slightly Above Average Players.

On that list Randy Gradishar and Otis Taylor are the only ones that stand out to me.

[EBCollectibles]

I’ll defer to those who do. Like HOF voters. Who have left him out thus far. And who didn’t consider him good enough for a decade team. And the media who didn’t think he was a Pro Bowler but four times in the longest career of a linebacker. Blame playing in Cleveland. Say I’m too young. On paper, he doesn’t have the pedigree. You can’t post graphics showing him having better stats than a couple HOFers then say I don’t understand football when I posit someone who is objectively better almost across the board.


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Old Chop you young folks don't know too much these days. Participation trophy for you Old Chop.

[foleylion08]

Old Chop you young folks don't know too much these days. Participation trophy for you Old Chop.


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[Jerseyramfan]

How about Lemar Parrish? Corner with 47 INT. 13TD
3X All Pro
2X 2nd. Team All Pro
8X Pro Bowl

[jplarson]

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Welcome to the Circle of Old Chops!

[Grid]

Maxie Baughan should have gotten in a long time ago. He was a big reason why the Eagles won the NFL Championship back in 1960. That same year, his rookie year, he made the Pro Bowl and had 3 interceptions in that game.

NFL champion (1960)
7X All-Pro (1961, 1964-1968)
9× Pro Bowl (1960, 1961, 1963–1969)
Philadelphia Eagles Hall of Fame

Maxi was great, but he had to play in the shadows of 2 of the greatest MLB of all time during his era. Dick Butkus & Ray Nitschke.

[Scottish Punk]

How about Lemar Parrish? Corner with 47 INT. 13TD
3X All Pro
2X 2nd. Team All Pro
8X Pro Bowl

Maxie Baughan should have gotten in a long time ago. He was a big reason why the Eagles won the NFL Championship back in 1960. That same year, his rookie year, he made the Pro Bowl and had 3 interceptions in that game.

NFL champion (1960)
7X All-Pro (1961, 1964-1968)
9× Pro Bowl (1960, 1961, 1963–1969)
Philadelphia Eagles Hall of Fame

Maxi was great, but he had to play in the shadows of 2 of the greatest MLB of all time during his era. Dick Butkus & Ray Nitschke.

Both excellent choices. This is why I get frustrated with mentioning players like Tasker and Hester for the HOF. There is just a bunch of players in all eras that are full time and had a much bigger impact. Just too many guys I would put ahead on the pecking order. Same with other players who only had a couple of big years.

[Grid]

I know this list is just senior & coach Class of 2024 semifinalists. But I was looking at who has the most All Pros for a career. The Answer is Reggie White with 13 BTW.

And I saw that nearly everyone with 6 or more total AP's, are either in the Hall of Fame. Or just aren't eligible yet. Except for Logan Mankins.

Mankins has 6 All pros. Was a 1st round pick. And is pretty decorated.

NFL 2010s All-Decade Team
New England Patriots All-2000s Team
New England Patriots All-2010s Team
New England Patriots 50th Anniversary Team
New England Patriots All-Dynasty Team
PFWA All-Rookie Team (2005)

And even though he has been eligible for the Hall since 2021, he has been passed over so far. I know we all think of him as part of the Patriots Dynasty, and he was. But how many of you knew he never actually won a ring?

Forgot, not too shabby:

7× Pro Bowl (2007, 2009–2013, 2015)

[packman80]

Semifinalist announced

Senior category (last game in pro football played no later than 1998): Ken Anderson, Maxie Baughan, Roger Craig, Randy Gradishar, Joe Jacoby, Albert Lewis, Steve McMichael, Eddie Meador, Art Powell, Sterling Sharpe, Otis Taylor and Al Wistert.

Coach/contributor category: Tom Coughlin, Mike Holmgren, Frank "Bucko" Kilroy, Robert Kraft, Buddy Parker, Dan Reeves, Art Rooney Jr., Marty Schottenheimer, Mike Shanahan, Clark Shaughnessy, Lloyd Wells and John Wooten.

[Grid]

Semifinalist announced

Senior category (last game in pro football played no later than 1998): Ken Anderson, Maxie Baughan, Roger Craig, Randy Gradishar, Joe Jacoby, Albert Lewis, Steve McMichael, Eddie Meador, Art Powell, Sterling Sharpe, Otis Taylor and Al Wistert.

Coach/contributor category: Tom Coughlin, Mike Holmgren, Frank "Bucko" Kilroy, Robert Kraft, Buddy Parker, Dan Reeves, Art Rooney Jr., Marty Schottenheimer, Mike Shanahan, Clark Shaughnessy, Lloyd Wells and John Wooten.

Clark Shaughnessy took a garbage formation from the 1800s, that was abandoned by football coaches decades before him. And added a twist to it.

He set up the modern passing attack, by having the QB take the ball from center. And having a player then run in motion presnap. All things that we still see today, as Shaughnessy's T is still be using in some elements nearly 100 years later.

How good was it? When the Bears 1st used it in the 1940 NFL Championship game. They beat the Redskins 73-0.

[Baraka]

I really hope they let Mongo in before he goes.

[packman80]

Out of this list give me Ken Anderson, Sterling Sharpe, and either McMichael or Gradishar.

For the Coach give me Marty over the old pervert Kraft.

[oplum29]

Sterling Sharpe! i hope he gets in, dude was awesome.

[PrimeTimeScott]

Let this finally be the year for Gradishar!

[raiderguy10]

My guess:

Modern:
Willie Anderson (autograph collectors will need a PSA/DNA one - PM me if needed :))
Devin Hester
Dwight Freeney
Julius Peppers
Patrick Willis


Senior:
Ken Anderson
Otis Taylor
Al Wistert

Contributor:
Robert Kraft

[foleylion08]

I know this list is just senior & coach Class of 2024 semifinalists. But I was looking at who has the most All Pros for a career. The Answer is Reggie White with 13 BTW.

And I saw that nearly everyone with 6 or more total AP's, are either in the Hall of Fame. Or just aren't eligible yet. Except for Logan Mankins.

Mankins has 6 All pros. Was a 1st round pick. And is pretty decorated.

NFL 2010s All-Decade Team
New England Patriots All-2000s Team
New England Patriots All-2010s Team
New England Patriots 50th Anniversary Team
New England Patriots All-Dynasty Team
PFWA All-Rookie Team (2005)

And even though he has been eligible for the Hall since 2021, he has been passed over so far. I know we all think of him as part of the Patriots Dynasty, and he was. But how many of you knew he never actually won a ring?

Forgot, not too shabby:

7× Pro Bowl (2007, 2009–2013, 2015)

I hope he gets in one day, but I don't know that it will be before senior commitee. Hated that his career was bookended by Superbowls. One before he was drafted and one after he moved on to the Bucs.

[49erRCCollector]

I hope he gets in one day, but I don't know that it will be before senior commitee. Hated that his career was bookended by Superbowls. One before he was drafted and one after he moved on to the Bucs.

Plus, I'm not sure all the team awards are that meaningful, but even without all that, he has a case.

I have no predictions on the Hall of Fame, just preferences. At this point, most of those guys are fairly deserving.

[packman80]

Well I don't think any us expected the coach/contributor name to end up being Buddy Parker who was the last HC of the Lions to win a NFL title.

[raiderguy10]

Well I don't think any us expected the coach/contributor name to end up being Buddy Parker who was the last HC of the Lions to win a NFL title.

Not a huge surprise though considering he was a finalist in the centennial class

[Skipscards]

Frankly, too many good candidates on that list. But I'm rooting for Coughlin!!

[wju2004]

Not a huge surprise though considering he was a finalist in the centennial class

So glad I picked him up a while ago. Have him in the 77 TD set...but think I have an index of him somewhere too.

[packman80]

Was hoping Sterling Sharpe would have got in but not this year.

The three Seniors named Finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Class of 2024 are:
��Randy Gradishar
��Steve McMichael
��Art Powell

[Phil Ligget]

devin hester.

[packman80]

devin hester.

When he's a senior canidate he might get in then. :D

[jplarson]

Was hoping Sterling Sharpe would have got in but not this year.

The three Seniors named Finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Class of 2024 are:
��Randy Gradishar
��Steve McMichael
��Art Powell

I want Sharpe to go in the same time Hester does so we can both be mad ;).

Gradishar is a good pick. I'm too sentimental about McMichael to be objective about it but I'm really happy he's a finalist. I'm not familiar enough with Powell.

[Grid]

Seems like good odds all 3 make it in.

To get elected to the Hall of Fame, they must garner 80 percent of the vote from the 50-member Selection Committee in January.

Since 2010—in years in which there have been a maximum of three Senior finalists—all 21 Senior finalists have been inducted into the Hall of Fame. The last time a Senior finalist failed to gain entry was Clyde Humphrey in 2009.

[packman80]

Seems like good odds all 3 make it in.

To get elected to the Hall of Fame, they must garner 80 percent of the vote from the 50-member Selection Committee in January.

Since 2010—in years in which there have been a maximum of three Senior finalists—all 21 Senior finalists have been inducted into the Hall of Fame. The last time a Senior finalist failed to gain entry was Clyde Humphrey in 2009.

Wow I thought the seniors were always locks did not know that even back 09 they did not vote one in.

[packman80]

I want Sharpe to go in the same time Hester does so we can both be mad ;).

Gradishar is a good pick. I'm too sentimental about McMichael to be objective about it but I'm really happy he's a finalist. I'm not familiar enough with Powell.

Sharpe could wait awhile I still think part of reason he is not in was he was a a-hole to media during his playing days so that I think is part of why he has not gotten in yet.

[Scottish Punk]

I feel like McMichael is more of a sentimental pick. Feels like the Ken Stabler pick. Although, McMichael is more deserving in my mind than Stabler was. Only two pro bowls, but in the top ten in sacks for DTs. So won't really feel out of place in the HOF. This would make three of the front four of the 85 Bears defense in the HOF.

[Grid]

I feel like McMichael is more of a sentimental pick. Feels like the Ken Stabler pick. Although, McMichael is more deserving in my mind than Stabler was. Only two pro bowls, but in the top ten in sacks for DTs. So won't really feel out of place in the HOF. This would make three of the front four of the 85 Bears defense in the HOF.

100% agree. It wouldn't be glaring to let Mongo in. Clearly they made a case for him. But he certainly doesn't jump out as a Hall of Famer. And I love the man. The 4 All pros are nice, the 2 Pro Bowls stick out though. But to be fair, there really wasnt that one dominating DT of the 80's. You had Randy White, who was awesome. Then its watered down from there.

Maybe Dan Hampton I guess. Then Mongo is mixed in with the likes of Keith Millard, who really only came on at the end of the 80s. And Dave Butz, who won 2 super bowls as well.

But no one is talking about Millard and Butz for the Hall. And they made the All Decade team over McMichael.

[PrimeTimeScott]

So happy that Randy Gradishar is a finalist!

[jplarson]

Sharpe could wait awhile I still think part of reason he is not in was he was a a-hole to media during his playing days so that I think is part of why he has not gotten in yet.

That's why they punished Terrell Owens too. A total non-reason but I understand the vindictive motivation. If that's the reason they are keeping Sharpe out, then I want him in now.

Sometimes a dude just wants to ball out, get paid, then go home without giving the same sound bites that everyone else does. I think Marshawn Lynch did the media stuff the best.

[Grid]

That's why they punished Terrell Owens too. A total non-reason but I understand the vindictive motivation. If that's the reason they are keeping Sharpe out, then I want him in now.

Sometimes a dude just wants to ball out, get paid, then go home without giving the same sound bites that everyone else does. I think Marshawn Lynch did the media stuff the best.

Beast was good! But Moss crapped on the media even better! Anyone remember when he would only interview himself? He would stand in front of the media, ask himself questions, and then reply to himself.

They let Moss walk right into the Hall. The same way they will let Rodgers walk in, and the media hates that A-Hole too.

[jplarson]

Beast was good! But Moss crapped on the media even better! Anyone remember when he would only interview himself? He would stand in front of the media, ask himself questions, and then reply to himself.

They let Moss walk right into the Hall. The same way they will let Rodgers walk in, and the media hates that A-Hole too.

I totally forgot about that but that's amazing!

Reporters and writers can get a bit too stuffy. This ain't baseball after all!

[packman80]

finalist named

Eric Allen, DB -- 1988-1994 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995-1997 New Orleans Saints, 1998-2001 Oakland Raiders
Jared Allen, DE – 2004-2007 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-2015 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers
Willie Anderson, OT -- 1996-2007 Cincinnati Bengals, 2008 Baltimore Ravens
Jahri Evans, OL -- 2006-2016 New Orleans Saints, 2017 Green Bay Packers
Dwight Freeney, DE -- 2002-2012 Indianapolis Colts, 2013-14 San Diego Chargers, 2015 Arizona Cardinals, 2016 Atlanta Falcons, 2017 Detroit Lions, 2017 Seattle Seahawks
Antonio Gates, TE -- 2003-2018 San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers
Rodney Harrison, DB -- 1994-2002 San Diego Chargers, 2003-2008 New England Patriots
Devin Hester, PR/KR/WR -- 2006-2013 Chicago Bears, 2014-2015 Atlanta Falcons, 2016 Baltimore Ravens, 2016 Seattle Seahawks
Torry Holt, WR -- 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars
Andre Johnson, WR -- 2003-2014 Houston Texans, 2015 Indianapolis Colts, 2016 Tennessee Titans
Julius Peppers, DE -- 2002-2009/2017-2018 Carolina Panthers, 2010-2013 Chicago Bears, 2014-2016 Green Bay Packers
Fred Taylor, RB -- 1998-2008 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2009-2010 New England Patriots
Reggie Wayne, WR -- 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts
Patrick Willis, LB -- 2007-2014 San Francisco 49ers
Darren Woodson, S -- 1992-2003 Dallas Cowboys



https://www.nfl.com/news/finalists-for-pro-football-hall-of-fame-class-of-2024-revealed

[packman80]

I would go:

Gates
Peppers
Wayne
Willis
Holt

[jplarson]

I would go:

Gates
Peppers
Wayne
Willis
Holt

Solid list. Gates, Peppers, and Willis are the top of my list as well. I like Andre Johnson slightly more over Wayne only because he put up his numbers without Manning when comparing the two. I'm surprised Fred Taylor was the one to rise to the top of the eligible RBs. My list is pretty much the same as yours, but a different Colt:

Peppers
Willis
Gates
Holt
Freeney

I think Jahri Evans is a lock to make it but probably goes in on a "down" year because he's at an unsexy position. Hester also makes it in within the next 3 years.

[Scottish Punk]

Solid list. Gates, Peppers, and Willis are the top of my list as well. I like Andre Johnson slightly more over Wayne only because he put up his numbers without Manning when comparing the two. I'm surprised Fred Taylor was the one to rise to the top of the eligible RBs. My list is pretty much the same as yours, but a different Colt:

Peppers
Willis
Gates
Holt
Freeney

I think Jahri Evans is a lock to make it but probably goes in on a "down" year because he's at an unsexy position. Hester also makes it in within the next 3 years.

I am in agreement with most here.

I have Peppers, Willis, Gates, Johnson (although I can see Holt for waiting longer), and Jared Allen. I think Evans gets in soon. The one I don't agree with is Hester. Hopefully he gets the Tasker treatment and will fall off these finalist lists.

[daveteach]

Peppers
Gates
Holt
Freeney
Willis

[wju2004]

I'm thinking:

Peppers (Lock)
Gates (Lock)
Anderson
Jared Allen
Reggie Wayne

[Noles939913]

I am in agreement with most here.

I have Peppers, Willis, Gates, Johnson (although I can see Holt for waiting longer), and Jared Allen. I think Evans gets in soon. The one I don't agree with is Hester. Hopefully he gets the Tasker treatment and will fall off these finalist lists.

Lol at Devin Hester being a better or more impactful football player than someone who was left of the Finalists list like Anquan Boldin. Maybe we’ll get to see him have a meltdown again if he doesn’t get elected.

[Skipscards]

Go Taylor!! :flex:

I’d love to see Holt finally get in too. :)!

[jplarson]

I'm also hoping Steve McMichael makes it in on the Senior Committee track.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/bears-steve-mongo-mcmichael-devin-hester-are-finalists-hall-of-fame/

[Archangel1775]

I believe this is the senior nominees/coaches/contributors thread.

[packman80]

I believe this is the senior nominees/coaches/contributors thread.

it's the 2024 NFL HOF thread can talk about anyone for the HOF.

[Archangel1775]

Was hoping Sterling Sharpe would have got in but not this year.

The three Seniors named Finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame's Class of 2024 are:
��Randy Gradishar
��Steve McMichael
��Art Powell

Explains the rise in McMichael graded rookie cards

[Archangel1775]

it's the 2024 NFL HOF thread can talk about anyone for the HOF.

The OP was being specific about the senior committee. It's ok though, I did the leg work and found the modern thread. I hope you make it through this.

[packman80]

The OP was being specific about the senior committee. It's ok though, I did the leg work and found the modern thread. I hope you make it through this.

Well guess what I am the OP and I created this thread to talk about all the HOF for 2024. But glad to see you are worried about this thread.

[packman80]

I am hoping they take a couple WR for this class to help clear some back log out.

[Archangel1775]

Well guess what I am the OP and I created this thread to talk about all the HOF for 2024. But glad to see you are worried about this thread.

In that case, your thread sucks, I'm moving over to the better one. :cry::santa:

[packman80]

In that case, your thread sucks, I'm moving over to the better one. :cry::santa:

Go ahead less trolls

[packman80]

Go Taylor!! :flex:

I’d love to see Holt finally get in too. :)!

Not sure Fred Taylor gets but Holt seems like the WR who's waited his longest to get in. It's not like any of the WR also a finalist are guys who must get in before him.

[packman80]

I'm also hoping Steve McMichael makes it in on the Senior Committee track.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/bears-steve-mongo-mcmichael-devin-hester-are-finalists-hall-of-fame/

Usually you are a lock if the senior committee puts you up to get in.

[Skipscards]

Not sure Fred Taylor gets but Holt seems like the WR who's waited his longest to get in. It's not like any of the WR also a finalist are guys who must get in before him.

Probably. But I’ll be rooting for them either way. :)!

[Stifle]

100% agree. It wouldn't be glaring to let Mongo in. Clearly they made a case for him. But he certainly doesn't jump out as a Hall of Famer. And I love the man. The 4 All pros are nice, the 2 Pro Bowls stick out though. But to be fair, there really wasnt that one dominating DT of the 80's. You had Randy White, who was awesome. Then its watered down from there.

Maybe Dan Hampton I guess. Then Mongo is mixed in with the likes of Keith Millard, who really only came on at the end of the 80s. And Dave Butz, who won 2 super bowls as well.

But no one is talking about Millard and Butz for the Hall. And they made the All Decade team over McMichael.


McMichael had the misfortune of playing just after Alan Page retired while performing when Randy White was destroying offensive lines. White had a 10 year run of a AV of 136 while McMichael had a ten year AV of 111.

Buddy Parker created the Lions 50’s dominance but resigned during preseason of 57. George Wilson was like Barry Switzer by inheriting a stacked club that Jimmy Johnson created.

Roger Craig I believe is the only player to be voted as a top 3 MVP at two different positions. Craig had only Jim Brown have more yards from scrimmage in a season as a FB in 63. The only other FB to come close 1666 was Mike Pruitt. Craig went over 2,000 yards from scrimmage at 2 different positions. Craig was Rathman before Rathman. Craig had the misfortune to play in the greatest halfback era ever. Craig destroyed Csonka, F. Harris, and other in yearly yards from scrimmage.

Rice made would be Hall of Famers look just very good, I. Fryar, Ellard, etc.

The Eagles have some eligible selections who are judged vs dynasties.

Randy G was a tackling machine. Is like Harry Carson’s, extremely valuable but taken for granted.

Clay Matthews was a Chris Spielman like performer. Nothing flashy just extremely solid. I’m doubting he is ever voted in.

[88horsepower]

Man, I would love to see McMichael get in while he's still alive. Poor guy has had such a horribly difficult post-retirement life. He's worthy of enshrinement, so it's not purely sentimental.

I still cannot fathom how Gradishar isn't in already. That's just wrong. Make it right, Canton. Make it right.

As an Indy fan, Freeney and Wayne are both very worthy, but I think Wayne is the next man up. I don't see Peppers and Freeney both getting in at the same time, and Peppers is unquestionably a more dominant pass rusher.

[packman80]

Man, I would love to see McMichael get in while he's still alive. Poor guy has had such a horribly difficult post-retirement life. He's worthy of enshrinement, so it's not purely sentimental.

I still cannot fathom how Gradishar isn't in already. That's just wrong. Make it right, Canton. Make it right.

As an Indy fan, Freeney and Wayne are both very worthy, but I think Wayne is the next man up. I don't see Peppers and Freeney both getting in at the same time, and Peppers is unquestionably a more dominant pass rusher.

Yeah Peppers and Gates are the two locks to get in this year. THough Freeney won't have to wait to much longer after I would think.

[tjenkins]

Matthews doesn't do it for me, sorry. Hall of very good. Long career, stat compiler (as evidenced by the graphics above). Most career games for a linebacker in fact. Goes back to the argument many make in the Gore threads. Was he ever the best linebacker in the league? 4 Pro Bowls and one AP2 selection.

And if Matthews gets in, Cornelius Bennett should start getting fitted for his coat in a couple years as a senior member.

Hell I'd take Clay Matthews III over Jr.


Anyone who thinks Clay Mathews isn't a HOFer should have their head examined! I am a Vikings fan and I can honestly say I hated the Packers but Mathews was good. As for being a stat compiler. All he did was make tackles, interceptions and sacks for a long time. Stat compilers for defense to me is different than a QB.

[foleylion08]

Anyone who thinks Clay Mathews isn't a HOFer should have their head examined! I am a Vikings fan and I can honestly say I hated the Packers but Mathews was good. As for being a stat compiler. All he did was make tackles, interceptions and sacks for a long time. Stat compilers for defense to me is different than a QB.


What Clay Matthews are you talking about? Because the one for the Packers isn’t who the conversation is about. I said I’d take CMIII (Packers) over his dad CM Jr (Browns).

[raiderguy10]

Anyone who thinks Clay Mathews isn't a HOFer should have their head examined! I am a Vikings fan and I can honestly say I hated the Packers but Mathews was good. As for being a stat compiler. All he did was make tackles, interceptions and sacks for a long time. Stat compilers for defense to me is different than a QB.

We're talking about Clay's dad. The packer is 100% not getting into the HOF

[mjekase]

Matthews Jr. did not really compile INTs and tackles. I thought his sack numbers were higher than they are, but he's not even top-50 in the "official" count. I'd vote his dad in, though.

[jplarson]

Anyone who thinks Clay Mathews isn't a HOFer should have their head examined!

He only played 4 seasons (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MattCl20.htm) for the 49ers, didn't really seem all that special on the field tbh. Absolutely salute to him for serving during the Korean War though.

[49erRCCollector]

He only played 4 seasons (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MattCl20.htm) for the 49ers, didn't really seem all that special on the field tbh. Absolutely salute to him for serving during the Korean War though.

True story: his Christopher Dairy milk carton card is one of my whales.

[packman80]

So any final thoughts on who gets in tonight?

[longhornjunkie]

"Sources" are saying Hester and Peppers are in, plus Steve McMichael from the Seniors committee.

[49erRCCollector]

Really broke my heart seeing McMichael. I’m glad he was alive to take this in with friends and family.

[packman80]

Really broke my heart seeing McMichael. I’m glad he was alive to take this in with friends and family.

He knows what's going on the mind is fully there it's just the body that's giving out.

[49erRCCollector]

He knows what's going on the mind is fully there it's just the body that's giving out.

Yeah. I just… hard to see a man endure that.