1996 Flair Showcase Row 1 Jordan (missing holofoil background). Was this a common?

[omar]

Apologies in advance if this doesn't deserve a new thread. I couldn't find a basketball error card thread.

So I was flipping through my old set building binders, and realized the Jordan Row 1 didn't have a holo background. I have a nearly completed set, and couldn't find another instance of this.

Do any of you know if this was a common error in Flair Showcase, or maybe even just the Jordan in particular?

[hermanotarjeta]

I’ve never seen that before - looks like a production error.

Not sure if it would garner any significant premium.

[wubh]

I have a bunch from this year and have never seen one with this error either.

It's pretty jarring to see late 90s Flair with a non-holofoil finish.

[pingbling23]

looks like a copy.

[Nomad]

This is exactly the type of error I would target. Looks great, like a contemporary color parallel. Contact CSG and see if they will grade it with a "wrong holo foil" notation as they did with the Kobe silver foil rookie.

But delve into it a bit and ascertain whether this was a set with issues of cards being backdoored first. From my recollection Fleer backdoors tend to be grouped a bit later. If this was test sheet or proof or whatever that was later cut up it should have diff edge wear than pack pulled.

[Kobefan]

This is exactly the type of error I would target. Looks great, like a contemporary color parallel. Contact CSG and see if they will grade it with a "wrong holo foil" notation as they did with the Kobe silver foil rookie.

But delve into it a bit and ascertain whether this was a set with issues of cards being backdoored first. From my recollection Fleer backdoors tend to be grouped a bit later. If this was test sheet or proof or whatever that was later cut up it should have diff edge wear than pack pulled.

According to the following post, there are no backdoor 1996-97 flair product, backdoor cards for flair starts with 1997-98: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1245140&highlight=flair+legacy+backdoored

[omar]

I’ve never seen that before - looks like a production error.

Not sure if it would garner any significant premium.

Definitely looks like a production error. I'm not sure exactly the process they use to laminate the holofoil, but I assume it's on a layer prior to adding the print of Jordan in the foreground.

It seems they either omitted an entire layer of holofoil, or laminated it in the wrong order. What's interesting is there is still holofoil over the lettering and around his body.

I'm not so interested in potential value, just curious if it's a rare oddity.

[omar]

This is exactly the type of error I would target. Looks great, like a contemporary color parallel. Contact CSG and see if they will grade it with a "wrong holo foil" notation as they did with the Kobe silver foil rookie.

But delve into it a bit and ascertain whether this was a set with issues of cards being backdoored first. From my recollection Fleer backdoors tend to be grouped a bit later. If this was test sheet or proof or whatever that was later cut up it should have diff edge wear than pack pulled.

This was 100% pack pulled by me and father around product release. We ripped a ton of this stuff.

We must have realized the error back then, and just completely forgot about it. It was the only card in the whole binder that we added a penny sleeve to lol.

Thanks for the tip on reaching out to CSG. I may just get it graded/authenticated to have it labelled as an error. I've seen BGS do this as well with some error cards. I'm not big on grading, but it would be cool to have this authenticated as such if it truly is a rare oddity.

[omar]

looks like a copy.

I can see why you would think that. I assure you it was pack pulled back during product release. I attached another picture to better show the holofoil over the text and around his body/legs.

[duron]

That’s really cool. Never seen another example

[21Pittsburgh58]

Here's my copy:

[omar]

Here's my copy:

Thanks. Can you confirm if your copy is also missing the holofoil in the background, or if it just appears that way due to the scanner?

I've seen many images like yours online, but I can't tell if the holofoil is just hard to see when they are scanned.

[pingbling23]

I can see why you would think that. I assure you it was pack pulled back during product release. I attached another picture to better show the holofoil over the text and around his body/legs.

thats a much better scan.

[DynaEtch]

It appears to be a factory misprint missing much of the foil layer, at first glance.

I collect errors in marvel cards and there are examples from Skybox and Fleer that are missing entire or partial foil layers.

I personally find them interesting because when you have thousands of the normal card, and just one or a few of the error version out there, it stands out. I don’t know how the market would value it though, I have found in marvel the market does not care or value misprints nearly as much as I seem to, based on prices they go for at auction. Heck some may even look it as a defect and annoyed by the bad quality control (which I strongly disagree with, misprints are great).

If I’m not mistaken, PSA does not typically grade factory misprints (they do grade well known errors like Frank Thomas NNOF, Billy Ripken, etc but not usually one-off or a few-off production misprints). CGC does grade misprints and will note ‘Error’ below the grade, and description of the error on back, if it really is a misprint error.

[Nomad]

hey, the fact that the conversation is happening and there are one or few of a card (and CSG will grade) means something. I got so laughed out of the forum a few years ago. I know when I have a few bucks, there will be market demand for such cards.

[PLB9eight]

hey, the fact that the conversation is happening and there are one or few of a card (and CSG will grade) means something. I got so laughed out of the forum a few years ago. I know when I have a few bucks, there will be market demand for such cards.


You got ridiculed for the boisterous claims about that card.

[Nomad]

Hey, at that moment it was peak shiny Prizm, "look at my 20x results on garbage." Needed a corrective.

And actually it was super interesting to think that could have been the first LA Kobe off the printing press in early 1997. Considering the set and the fact that most rare corrected errors happen early in the print run. That was my real fascination with the card.

[ninjacookies]

Dope card.

Wouldn't surprise me if you pulled a good amount for it if you choose to sell. Such a huge cult following for Showcase, and this is one of those rare instances where a gross print error actually looks good.

[21Pittsburgh58]

Thanks. Can you confirm if your copy is also missing the holofoil in the background, or if it just appears that way due to the scanner?

I've seen many images like yours online, but I can't tell if the holofoil is just hard to see when they are scanned.

I'll have to take a look when I get done with work and I'll also take a different angle picture. I believe the background is subdued compared to the action photo but haven't looked at it in a long time.

[BraveAtlanta]

https://i.ibb.co/Rj6vrgb/9601826.jpg (https://ibb.co/TW0vjw2)

Here’s mine

[omar]

Here’s mine

Nice, are you able to confirm if the holofoil is truly missing, or just appears that why in the scan?

[BraveAtlanta]

Nice, are you able to confirm if the holofoil is truly missing, or just appears that why in the scan?

https://i.ibb.co/CnvKcPK/IMG-1320.jpg (https://ibb.co/cNthBYh)
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I pulled it out of the safe and it’s got the holofoil

[omar]

I pulled it out of the safe and it’s got the holofoil

Thanks for checking, I appreciate it. This confirms my suspicion that the scanned images online likely just don't show the holofoil very well.

I'll probably never know exactly how rare this error is, but at a minimum it seems fairly uncommon.

Grading/authenticating with CGC seems like a good idea to at least get the error confirmed and documented.

[kingofsnake]

I'll disagree with several of you. It's a production error and I don't see any added value to this. Tant pis.

Good luck with your sales.

[omar]

I'll disagree with several of you. It's a production error and I don't see any added value to this. Tant pis.

Good luck with your sales.

I don't care about added value, nor am I trying to pump for a sale. I've never sold any of my childhood cards, and I never plan to. They have more sentimental value than anything else for me.

I just thought this was an interesting oddity, and wanted to discuss with other like minded hobbyists.

[BraveAtlanta]

Thanks for checking, I appreciate it. This confirms my suspicion that the scanned images online likely just don't show the holofoil very well.

I'll probably never know exactly how rare this error is, but at a minimum it seems fairly uncommon.

Grading/authenticating with CGC seems like a good idea to at least get the error confirmed and documented.

No prob at all. That first scan was from the psa site and I honestly couldn’t remember if mine had the holofoil or not.