Why I only collect new PSA 10s w/ the hologram

[cowboyzqna]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385965743949?epid=7056508502&hash=item59dd59df4d:g:Ax8AAOSwilpk2oWM&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwMg3%2FcGpl2X29Mnq1nhvwBwZfAUZLuV3nkZNwk3kRzgknTBe%2FrxTDDhJ4MQQNuK4x3iYg0njEWYvWwDgZZKZXZGb5LAdKrM1McHz5Jw9g5YQeVdp0q55FOsj5ZJdldlEnO0TsJzMPtlRhnUntsGWbBLL9L4Ci6Ek4LBWDRxvMb1IMFje6384SwksiaqPl697YNSy2xJZ8OMrJysLjI4pfFotEkMMMG4yDV%2Bk5bpY6vWbPWvUCDukmyaQH%2BKhawx3pg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7SB786_Yg


Idk. I've been wrong alott in life... but this card just isn't sharp enough to be mint.


To my mind the real one got switched out. Sell an inferior copy for 90 percent and regrade.


Am I the only one that thinks like this?

[JewVol]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385965743949?epid=7056508502&hash=item59dd59df4d:g:Ax8AAOSwilpk2oWM&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwMg3%2FcGpl2X29Mnq1nhvwBwZfAUZLuV3nkZNwk3kRzgknTBe%2FrxTDDhJ4MQQNuK4x3iYg0njEWYvWwDgZZKZXZGb5LAdKrM1McHz5Jw9g5YQeVdp0q55FOsj5ZJdldlEnO0TsJzMPtlRhnUntsGWbBLL9L4Ci6Ek4LBWDRxvMb1IMFje6384SwksiaqPl697YNSy2xJZ8OMrJysLjI4pfFotEkMMMG4yDV%2Bk5bpY6vWbPWvUCDukmyaQH%2BKhawx3pg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7SB786_Yg


Idk. I've been wrong alott in life... but this card just isn't sharp enough to be mint.


To my mind the real one got switched out. Sell an inferior copy for 90 percent and regrade.


Am I the only one that thinks like this?

If it's reholdered into a new slab would it make the card better?

[GOATcards]

some folks are troglodytes when it comes to handling/preserving slabs
(and much else besides)

[mc1]

Eh, seems to me the slab is all scratched and dinged up. The card looks fine, you cant really determine the condition of a card from a simple scan.

[YeahBuddy]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385965743949?epid=7056508502&hash=item59dd59df4d:g:Ax8AAOSwilpk2oWM&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwMg3%2FcGpl2X29Mnq1nhvwBwZfAUZLuV3nkZNwk3kRzgknTBe%2FrxTDDhJ4MQQNuK4x3iYg0njEWYvWwDgZZKZXZGb5LAdKrM1McHz5Jw9g5YQeVdp0q55FOsj5ZJdldlEnO0TsJzMPtlRhnUntsGWbBLL9L4Ci6Ek4LBWDRxvMb1IMFje6384SwksiaqPl697YNSy2xJZ8OMrJysLjI4pfFotEkMMMG4yDV%2Bk5bpY6vWbPWvUCDukmyaQH%2BKhawx3pg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7SB786_Yg


Idk. I've been wrong alott in life... but this card just isn't sharp enough to be mint.


To my mind the real one got switched out. Sell an inferior copy for 90 percent and regrade.


Am I the only one that thinks like this?

No one is switching out a card into the same slab. Scammers would instead recreate whole process with old label, ie put a different card in a new slab that looks like the old. You destroy the old slab when cracking.

This is why there is authentication on SLABBED cards ... because PSA will be able to detect if the slab itself is fake in these instances.

vice versa CGC inspects all other slabs.

[cowboyzqna]

That bottom left corner is not mint and the edges also look bad.

[jlzinck]

I'm just amazed that the high bidder only has 24% bids with seller

[mc1]

That bottom left corner is not mint and the edges also look bad.

Scans and pictures can sometimes hide damage or even reflect light in a way that shows “damage”. You would need to see the card in person to see if it is as bad as you say. You cant trust scans or pictures.

[nbahobbyaddict]

If it's reholdered into a new slab would it make the card better?

This. ^^ A lot of the older stuff just gets re-holdered. So many PSA 10s (old ones that are re-holdered or new ones freshly slabbed) that are obviously 7s or 8s at best. And for this we are held hostage for premium fees.

[anusinha]

PSA used to be so much easier on grading, especially on pre 2015 stuff

[asujbl]

I’m confused

Are we saying that PSA used to be easier on grades? Or that hologram slabs are harder to fake? Or harder to crack? Or both? Or neither?

[vincecarder]

Top edge has been trimmed, slope from right to left. It's a bad trim job as you can see the wave on the top edge doesn't fill the holder properly.

[asujbl]

Odds of me buying this card are now 100%

[Nomad]

whoever took a red sharpie to the top left corner and got it through PSA...

[JewVol]

I’m confused

Are we saying that PSA used to be easier on grades? Or that hologram slabs are harder to fake? Or harder to crack? Or both? Or neither?

He's saying if it an old holder he doesn't trust it as much as new holder.

It's not rational tho.

Just get an old label reholdered and it's same card in a new slab.

[cowboyzqna]

Like I say I've been wrong before. I just think it's easier to fake the old labels... but it probably just as easy to make a fake psa label with the hologram. Idk.


I also think psa used to be a little easier on certain cards... but to my eye that one is a reach.

[YayNJ]

I'm just amazed that the high bidder only has 24% bids with seller

Second highest bidder is on 49%

[jetta20162]

He's saying if it an old holder he doesn't trust it as much as new holder.

It's not rational tho.

Just get an old label reholdered and it's same card in a new slab.

PSA will still examine the card and the old holder before reholdering. If it doesn't pass authenticity check then they won't do it. Old slabs and old labels are much easier to fake.

[Binks]

I'm just amazed that the high bidder only has 24% bids with seller

where can you can see this?? Thanks!

[cowboyzqna]

where can you can see this?? Thanks!

Welcome to the new age young money.

[cholodolo]

Probstein as the seller pretty much confirms any suspicions.

[asujbl]

PSA will still examine the card and the old holder before reholdering. If it doesn't pass authenticity check then they won't do it. Old slabs and old labels are much easier to fake.

Sure

But they don’t grade it again

It’s a slab inspection

So odds are you’re getting the same card in a new slab. We all know this

[Stackfan]

This is why i've steered away from PSA from ~2012- 2022 when i gave in PSA and the market. Every PSA 10 had flaws when i got back in. BGS at the time was an easy choice for modern.

[asujbl]

This is why i've steered away from PSA from ~2012- 2022 when i gave in PSA and the market. Every PSA 10 had flaws when i got back in. BGS at the time was an easy choice for modern.

BGS still exists? Wild

It’s raw or PSA

That’s reality

[jetta20162]

BGS still exists? Wild

It’s raw or PSA

That’s reality

I would rather take a Black Label BGS 10 than a PSA 10

[Stackfan]

BGS still exists? Wild

It’s raw or PSA

That’s reality

BGS was the preferred slab back then for modern. I remember selling a PSA 10 Curry Rookie refractor, and buying a BGS one. Now, BGS mainly for high end cards, thicker cards, and niche cards. I don't like it, but i've bit the bullet and subbing mostly with PSA now. I don't think BGS knows what going on at BGS now.

[messier2]

Thick cards only for me for BGS. Cards that would get a 9 from PSA and most likely a Min Gem from BGS (which is what I'm after).

[cms11]

That doesn't even look like LeBron.

[Blake050]

That doesn't even look like LeBron.

I was going to post the same thing! Definitely doesn't look like his head/face.

[boxbuster7]

Do you know when they started adding the hologram to the slabs?

[jetta20162]

PSA Flip Type #1 - The OG, issued from 1991 to 1992
PSA Flip Type #2 - New Font, Smaller Barcode, PSA 'Stamp'
PSA Flip Type #3 - New Hologram on Rear of Flip
PSA Flip Type #4 - Font Change, Bar Code Aligned Left, No Changes to Back
PSA Flip Type #5 - Fonts Changed Again, Rear Label Changed
PSA Flip Type #6 - Front Label Unchanged, Rear Label is Changed
PSA Flip Type #7 - Grade Number Moved To Next Line
PSA Flip Type #8- New Hologram On Front Label and Back Flip Lettering is New Hologram
PSA Flip Type #9- Cert Number and Barcode Added To Back of Flip
PSA Flip Type #10- New Lighthouse Flip Introduced

https://allvintagecards.com/history-of-psa-flips/
they also have info about the years

[Binks]

Welcome to the new age young money.

Yep pretty new to the hobby in general, anybody know how I can look this up? Seems very useful

[SoccerRCs]

This. ^^ A lot of the older stuff just gets re-holdered. So many PSA 10s (old ones that are re-holdered or new ones freshly slabbed) that are obviously 7s or 8s at best. And for this we are held hostage for premium fees.

Does the serial number change when this happens? I was under the impression that the serial number remained the same.

[asujbl]

Does the serial number change when this happens? I was under the impression that the serial number remained the same.

It does

[90skid]

I'm pretty certain the serial # stays the same with a re-holder. I know I just had a CRC done to correct a (old) label and the serial # stayed the same.

[towerymt]

I've been wrong alott in life...
LOL
To my mind the real one got switched out. Sell an inferior copy for 90 percent and regrade.
When?

Same card, same slab sold in 2019 for $670:

https://sales-history.pwccmarketplace.com/items/monthly2050639

The holder doesn't show 'frosting' along the edges to indicate it's been cracked open. Looks fine to me.

I agree that some early-graded cards would not receive the same grade today if submitted raw. It's also possible for cards to become dented along the edges from moving inside the holder (I've had a PSA-9 with a '0...' cert# reviewed by PSA for damage and they dropped it to a 6 and paid me the difference in value). Actual card condition and damage to the edges are two things to observe any time the cert number is not a recent one.

The very early PSA holders (like with cert numbers starting '0'), have a thin gap around the edge that allows them to be cracked open without total breakage. They were similar to the present-day SGC holder, which is VERY easy to pop open (although it shows it via 'frosting' around the border where it's been split apart).

The PSA holder can be popped open along the bottom edge and up each side and the card slid out the bottom w/o cracking apart the top edge at all. If a card has been removed from a PSA holder and an off-grade or counterfeit inserted, the sides and bottom edge should show signs of tampering.


Top edge still has clarity but the sides and bottom are frosted from being split apart (SGC holder obviously but same is true for early PSA holders):
https://pbase.com/towerymt/image/173066320/medium.jpg

[Arianny_Fan]

If PSA says it's a 10 it must be true. :cry: