1948 Bowman George Mikan SGC 9

[nassa1219]

I came across with this lot at Goldin, and the last time I checked, a PSA 9 sold for $800,000 last year, and even a PSA 8 sold for $147,000. Considering the only higher graded Mikan is at the Smithsonian and no chance to be ever sold to the private hand, how much do you think this SGC 9 Mint will end up selling?


https://goldin.co/item/1948-bowman-69-george-mikan-rookie-card-sgc-mint-9iontn

[GOATcards]

I came across with this lot at Goldin, and the last time I checked, a PSA 9 sold for $800,000 last year, and even a PSA 8 sold for $147,000. Considering the only higher graded Mikan is at the Smithsonian and no chance to be ever sold to the private hand, how much do you think this SGC 9 Mint will end up selling?


https://goldin.co/item/1948-bowman-69-george-mikan-rookie-card-sgc-mint-9iontn

first question to ask is why it's not slabbed by PSA so that it would sell for a lot more in that grade

[KhalDrogo]

Diamond cut hurts.

[nassa1219]

This card has diamond cut and PSA has always been very consistent about not penalizing these defects.

[KhalDrogo]

This card has diamond cut and PSA has always been very consistent about not penalizing these defects.
Not what I was getting at.

Eye appeal still matters even for high grade rarities.

[mjohnatgt]

Disagree. I bet PSA would give it an ungraded "miscut" assessment, which can be slabbed as AUTHENTIC. Also, the left-right centering is going to keep the price down. It's just not an attractive card, IMO.

[nassa1219]

really, a miscut lol

[nassa1219]

PSA graded this one a 9 even though centering is an issue

[KhalDrogo]

PSA gace this one a 9 even though centering is an issue
Look at the cert.

[nassa1219]

what about the cert? a 9 Mint without qualifier

[3124508 on COMC]

what about the cert? a 9 Mint without qualifier

It was graded a long time ago.

[nassa1219]

there is only one sgc 9 and none higher, and according to some opinions here, if graded raw by PSA, it would only receive an authentic. This is a very interesting suggestion. I remember similar opinions were shared back in the days when BGS was dominating the market

[3124508 on COMC]

Disagree. I bet PSA would give it an ungraded "miscut" assessment, which can be slabbed as AUTHENTIC. Also, the left-right centering is going to keep the price down. It's just not an attractive card, IMO.

I agree. PSA would not give this card a numerical grade.

[KhalDrogo]

what about the cert? a 9 Mint without qualifier
:confused:

[nbahobbyaddict]

OP is this your card on auction? have to ask because if you’re truly interested in the card as a buyer, no reason to post it here.

[nassa1219]

I wish

[GOATcards]

Diamond cut hurts.

such a liar

[GOATcards]

This card has diamond cut and PSA has always been very consistent about not penalizing these defects.

diamond cuts would have to be noticeable to affect eye appeal, what a scam

[GOATcards]

really, a miscut lol

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[GOATcards]

there is only one sgc 9 and none higher, and according to some opinions here, if graded raw by PSA, it would only receive an authentic. This is a very interesting suggestion. I remember similar opinions were shared back in the days when BGS was dominating the market

i must be the crazy one here, card looks great from what can be seen by scan

[GOATcards]

I agree. PSA would not give this card a numerical grade.

i must be crazy

[mjohnatgt]

Maybe people don't understand all the definitions, because "miscut" and "diamond-cut" can be used for different things.

This card I believe to be miscut/diamond cut, because the right border seems like it is significantly longer than the left border. It's just not a rectangle. That is the type of Miscut that PSA normally refuses to give a number to.

They also have the miscut (MC) qualifier for cards that have parts of another card on them. That is not what I'm talking about here.

Diamond cut can either refer to a non-rectangular card, or one that has significant tilt, where the image is printed on a rectangular card at some type of lean, i.e. not parallel to the borders. Does that make more sense?

[Nomad]

what other hobby puts foam around an $800k card? You should see the holders for high level stamps.

[GOATcards]

Maybe people don't understand all the definitions, because "miscut" and "diamond-cut" can be used for different things.

This card I believe to be miscut/diamond cut, because the right border seems like it is significantly longer than the left border. It's just not a rectangle. That is the type of Miscut that PSA normally refuses to give a number to.

They also have the miscut (MC) qualifier for cards that have parts of another card on them. That is not what I'm talking about here.

Diamond cut can either refer to a non-rectangular card, or one that has significant tilt, where the image is printed on a rectangular card at some type of lean, i.e. not parallel to the borders. Does that make more sense?

I do notice it at long last, the top border does get larger toward the right. Supposing it's not a design flaw from Bowman, it's not cut straight

Well, at least we have an answer to my question as to why it's not in a PSA slab.

To not look shady and sow further distrust in the hobby, you'd think sellers and auction houses would explain this sort of thing

but alas the "hobby" doesn't seem interested in cleaning up its act

[GOATcards]

and now I understand why that "Mr Mint" SGC 9.5 52T Mantle wasn't in a PSA slab

what a scam

[Nomad]

So wait, now SGC is part of a scam? I gotta say, the only company no one has said anything bad about is CSG, they just don't like the slabs.

[GOATcards]

while no mention is made of the top border, we do have this piece of scammy cynical description: "and a gray-cardstock reverse that displays inviting clarity."

inviting clarity

some #@#@#@#@#@#@#@ actually wrote that

[GOATcards]

So wait, now SGC is part of a scam? I gotta say, the only company no one has said anything bad about is CSG, they just don't like the slabs.

part of a scam to launder cards that PSA won't assign a number grade to apparently

if they were up-front about this, it wouldn't be scammy

where's abra

[GOATcards]

just in the last day I/we learn:

PSA doesn't guarantee autograph authentication

People take odd-cut cards to SGC that PSA won't grade

that's just one day

[Nomad]

while no mention is made of the top border, we do have this piece of scammy cynical description: "and a gray-cardstock reverse that displays inviting clarity."

inviting clarity

some #@#@#@#@#@#@#@ actually wrote that

Collectible investment speak is really quaint. Retains the ly, which has gone out of standard literature of the past 20 years.

[mjohnatgt]

just in the last day I/we learn:

PSA doesn't guarantee autograph authentication

People take odd-cut cards to SGC that PSA won't grade

that's just one day
Maybe you learned today. Most people that are active here know all this stuff. How many times have you seen people ask about 1986 Fleer Jordans that got "Altered stock" from PSA for being kept in a non-recessed screwdown? The standard recommendation is to send those to SGC or BGS. Same for other issues. There are SOME flaws that PSA is good and consistent at detecting, but for the people that need their cards in slabs with number grades, it's better to get a number from SGC or BGS than an AUTH from PSA.

And PSA has never had a guarantee on auto authentication, to my knowledge.

They also don't guarantee that they got the card information right for mechanical errors, so if someone gets scammed on those 1990 Topps Frank Thomas cards thinking they're actually Tiffany as labeled, PSA will just change the label.

https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1990/Topps---Base/4141/Frank-Thomas.jpg?id=3be1bb31-1f85-4a9b-90bf-89b7b4bbff4c&size=original (https://www.comc.com/Cards/Baseball/1990/Topps_-_Base/4141/Frank_Thomas/1963395/Graded/PSA/8,p1)
1990 Topps - [Base] #414.1 - Frank Thomas [PSA 8 NM‑MT]
Courtesy of COMC.com (https://www.comc.com)

[mc1]

just in the last day I/we learn:

PSA doesn't guarantee autograph authentication

People take odd-cut cards to SGC that PSA won't grade

that's just one day

Did you see this?:doh:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1567550

[nassa1219]

I will buy Mr Mint’s 52 Topp Bowman at the PSA authentic price. Heck, I will even offer 5x of the authentic price for that card

[mjohnatgt]

I will buy Mr Mint’s 52 Topp Bowman at the PSA authentic price. Heck, I will even offer 5x of the authentic price for that card
Have a good time, Mr. Strawman.

[rats60]

I will buy Mr Mint’s 52 Topp Bowman at the PSA authentic price. Heck, I will even offer 5x of the authentic price for that card

That card wasn't graded by SGC because it would receive an A. That card was graded by SGC because they knew it wouldn't get a 10, but probably a 9 with PSA. So, they went with SGC to get a 9.5 and sell it for more.

[HeyRelaxGuy]

Why do people think PSA would reject this card? I have submitted lots of weird-cut vintage cards to PSA and all came back with numerical grades.

[nassa1219]

because people like to hide behind their keyboard and bash whatever they please :coffee:
same reason that some people still think the earth is flat

[mc1]

because people like to hide behind their keyboard and bash whatever they please :coffee:
same reason that some people still think the earth is flat

Its called having an opinion and having a discussion. Thats the purpose of a message board. ;)

[KhalDrogo]

because people like to hide behind their keyboard and bash whatever they please :coffee:
same reason that some people still think the earth is flat
Ok snowflake.

[mc1]

Ok snowflake.

His emotional investment in this particular item is suspicious.

[nassa1219]

I wonder how many cardporns are joining this discussion

[mc1]

I wonder how many cardporns are joining this discussion

Youre Ken Goldin? Maybe Drake. :)!

[nassa1219]

maybe I work for sgc :coffee:

[nassa1219]

A year ago, these shoes sold close to $1.5 mill. Now not even 1/3 of that.

https://goldin.co/item/1984-michael-jordan-signed-and-inscribed-game-used-nike-air-ship-jordanqzec?queryId=eyJxdWVyeUlkIjoiZGIzZmI5OGRhYzEyNzAxZDg2NzgwOTBiMjkyNGMwNDgiLCJjYXJkSW5kZXgiOjV9

Wonder what cardporns have to say about this lot

[mc1]

maybe I work for sgc :coffee:

Nah, maybe the auction house selling this item. :)!

[ninjacookies]

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[duron]

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Rofl.

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[ninjacookies]

Rofl.

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On fifty fif

[ninjacookies]

On fifty fif

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