Dame traded to the Bucks

[Kingofkings1281]

Didn’t see this one coming.

[sportzluvr1]

Wow!!

[jlzinck]

I'm just wondering what the Suns are doing in this? Looks like they lost big time unless I am missing something. I did suffer a concussion on Sunday so I could be missing something

[GeechQuest]

Ayton moving.

3 Teamer.

Yikes Suns…

[brothertona]

Full trade, per sources:

- Bucks: Damian Lillard
- Blazers: Jrue Holiday, Deandre Ayton, Toumani Camara, 2029 first-round Bucks pick and Bucks pick swap
- Suns: Jusuf Nurkic, Nassir Little, Keon Johnson, Grayson Allen

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1707099044915425442?s=20

[brothertona]

I'm assuming that the Blazers are engaging the Raptors on Jrue in acquiring OG.

[Nomad]

"the Blazers will receive Jrue Holiday, DeAndre Ayton, Toumani Camara, and multiple picks"

this is by far the best the Blazers could hope for. A tested NBA finals warrior, a big man, and someone who at least made the NBA.

Ayton investors cannot be extremely happy, but didnt he want out a long time ago? Almost went to Pacers last year.

[sethc1020]

Thats huge for Dame!! Glad to seem him go some place where he has a legit shot at a championship.

[YourAvgSutton]

HOLY SH*T! How unexpected. WOW. I don't think I've ever seen a Milwaukee team make a blockbuster trade like this in my lifetime.

[YourAvgSutton]

I'm just wondering what the Suns are doing in this? Looks like they lost big time unless I am missing something. I did supper a concussion on Sunday so I could be missing something

My thoughts exactly... (and I didn't suffer a concussion, as far as I know...)

[asujbl]

Someone justify this for the Suns (you can try but you can't)

The Suns are going to be a huge Big 3 disappointment

I love it for Milwaukee and Portland

[packman80]

Bucks give up a lot but MKE is desperate to try to contend this year for a title otherwise Giannis will likely tell MKE he won't sign a new deal before his contract ends after the 2024 season thus forcing MKE to trade him. So the Bucks are all in this year if not could see this roster get blown up and lots of guys traded.

[dantheman514]

Wow, I guess the Bucks listened when Giannis talked about his future in Milwaukee.

[lakesidez]

If that does not say to Giannis we want to win I don't know what does.........that was a steal for Dame, #stoked!!! Granted Milwaukee will miss a lot from what Jrue brought to the community.

[airharrison21]

I feel like the blazers have to be moving Jrue to another team. They’re already loaded with young guards.

[brewtown107]

I thought about this as a great fit but thought nah, the Bucks don't have the draft capital to make it happen. And then it happened! :eek:

[brothertona]

Miami just got #@#@#@#@ on - big time - Portland called their bluff - and now Miami really doesn't have an outlet to a star now.

[jcardstore]

Wow the Suns were DESPERATE to get rid of Ayton ������

[GOATcards]

I'm just wondering what the Suns are doing in this? Looks like they lost big time unless I am missing something. I did suffer a concussion on Sunday so I could be missing something


My thoughts exactly... (and I didn't suffer a concussion, as far as I know...)

doesnt it free up cap space or something, i know jack excrement about front office strategy

[brewtown107]

Always liked Jrue and not happy to see him go, but you gotta give up something good to get back a legit star like Dame. Team defense will suffer some, but that should be offset by gains on offense. Certainly will be exciting to see how things play out!

[bustsomewax]

As a Denver fan, I like this. Get Dame out of the conference and the Suns just got weaker IMO.

[GOATcards]

As a Denver fan, I like this. Get Dame out of the conference and the Suns just got weaker IMO.

assuming health it should be a more competitive finals series than last time

i guess?

[bustsomewax]

assuming health it should be a more competitive finals series than last time



i guess?Yes, the Bucks are head and shoulders above anyone in the East now.

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[asujbl]

Who wants to buy a Lillard Prizm PSA 10 before they start dominating?

[Nomad]

As a Denver fan, I like this. Get Dame out of the conference and the Suns just got weaker IMO.

Who did Denver get for Bruce Brown again? I don't think they have a great chance.

[kaisersoze]

As a Denver fan, I like this. Get Dame out of the conference and the Suns just got weaker IMO.

i actually think this is a big improvement for the suns

[tjforce]

Bucks realizing they have to go all in to keep Giannis happy. Love to see a small market team not getting bullied by the league.

Dame finally gets to be Robin. And should make one hell of one.

[GOATcards]

Who wants to buy a Lillard Prizm PSA 10 before they start dominating?

he's the beta on a team now, i've got my giannis kards thx

[GOATcards]

Who did Denver get for Bruce Brown again? I don't think they have a great chance.

vegas awaits your bet

[packman80]

If Bucks can get to finals I think Giannis will glady sign a new deal next summer.

[bustsomewax]

i actually think this is a big improvement for the suns

Why? Because they got Nurk? He's coming up on 30 and last played 70+ games in 2018. By the time the playoffs come around Eubanks will be their go-to big.

The bench did improve though, Allen is not bad from that role.

[jcardstore]

Why? Because they got Nurk? He's coming up on 30 and last played 70+ games in 2018. By the time the playoffs come around Eubanks will be their go-to big.

The bench did improve though, Allen is not bad from that role.

Getting rid of Ayton. Addition by subtraction.

[packman80]

Question though was Allen mad enough when he heard about the trade that he kicked someone in the nuts?

[Brobocop]

r/heat IN SHAMBLES

[lyyca]

Wow!!!! Unexpected!!! Love IT!

[msink28]

I agree, they somehow got out from under that Ayton contract and have a couple guys who might be able to play.

i actually think this is a big improvement for the suns

[Kingofkings1281]

Can’t tell if Jimmy Butler is serious about the Bucks tampering thing haha

[tjforce]

Blazers just literally kicked their window into the 2030's.

The hope in this trade is that by 2028, Giannis has moved on and the Bucks have broken down.

[eastbayak]

big time move!!

[brothertona]

Eh - Blazers end game was always going to be dependent on Scoot being a Ja like talent, and Shaedon becoming a superstar. If those two things come to pass they're in a good place - they've got Kris Murray - Ayton should be more available than Nurkic, Jerami Grant is solid albeit expensive. Your hopes now if you are Portland is get a SF in the JRue deal.

[packman80]

See Lillard has a player option for 24-25 so this is pretty much a one year gamble for the Bucks as you figure Lillard will opt out to try to cash in for that last big deal.

[Brobocop]

See Lillard has a player option for 24-25 so this is pretty much a one year gamble for the Bucks as you figure Lillard will opt out to try to cash in for that last big deal.

He signed an extension into 2026-2027 (that year being a player option) so the Bucks have a few years. That was the thing about this trade demand. Dude had a ton of years left on his deal so Portland really had no real incentive to trade him for a bad trade.

[pingbling23]

i love an exciting move like this and will be fun to watch this year. giannis got his closer but the bucks struggled defensively last year. this trade makes them defensively worse.

[rifleman69]

Suns hated their former center, they're going to be hating their current center even more! Good trade by Portland, better than anything coming from south beach.

[GOATcards]

i love an exciting move like this and will be fun to watch this year. giannis got his closer but the bucks struggled defensively last year. this trade makes them defensively worse.

https://media.tenor.com/Cql_7-GqKx4AAAAC/jokic-nikola-jokic.gif

[packman80]

The Bucks emerged as the consensus favorites to win the NBA title after the trade, with odds around 4-1 at U.S. sportsbooks. Milwaukee had been listed as the fourth-favorite, behind the defending-champion Denver Nuggets, Boston Celtics and Suns.

[jrnelson]

This trade is weird, I have never seen a trade were all the teams involved got worst.

[tjforce]

This trade is weird, I have never seen a trade were all the teams involved got worst.

Interesting take that the Bucks got worse here by adding a 32 ppg scorer.

[packman80]

This trade is weird, I have never seen a trade were all the teams involved got worst.

How did Bucks get worst? While Holiday had great defense they added a great scorer in Dame. Allen was just a guy he was being shopped already so MKE did not have him in their plans for the upcoming season.

[colbycolbycolby]

I was really hoping OG would get his bigger role. I just don't see Toronto doing year 3 of the Siakam-OG-Barnes thing again. Look for Toronto to move something soon.

[Nomad]

This is also arguably good for the NBA, we are going to have a few teams with interesting narratives going around, namely:

Bucks
Grizz
Lakers
Celtics (clctrs note: the team without Smart is legacy making or breaking time for Brown and Tatum. Or, interesting play, Smart. By being a Nesmith - Smart's primary acolyte - collector for years, I know where I stand on that.)

Pacers
NO
Blaze
Thunder

[Scottish Punk]

Interesting take that the Bucks got worse here by adding a 32 ppg scorer.

right? Kind of feel the opposite, all three teams got "better" in a sense of getting what they wanted. Suns is the only team I think loses out on talent on the floor.

Blazers - swap a superstar for two solid starters and will end the Dame trade distraction/get moving on the next era.

Bucks - Upgrade Jrue with Dame. Lose a bench piece or two that can easily be refilled with ring chasers.

Suns - I guess they just wanted out of Ayton's contract. Edit: The Suns also get to fill out their anemic roster a bit as well.

[oldgoldy97]

Suns needed some depth.

[bradjames12]

Thank god the Pacers didn't up with Ayton this past year.. Suns obviously wanted nothing to do with him after drafting him

[jrnelson]

IMO, the Bucks lost size, defense and bench scoring. Yes, they gain starting ppg, will see if Dame can put up those numbers as the #2, but to me the "out" is more then the "in". Then you include the non-protected 1st and two pick swaps.

[Zedlaw]

Too much tinkering. I would have liked to of seen the Suns with Paul, Booker, Ayton and Durant get a full run. But selling low on Ayton was inevitable after trading for Beal. I’m nervous, this team seems very injury prone and just got more so with this move. With everyone healthy I do think the Suns got better today than yesterday. Ayton is a mess on D and needs touches to be impactful and that’s not what you need from a fourth wheel.

[scotthenrichs]

Can’t tell if Jimmy Butler is serious about the Bucks tampering thing haha

Nah, he's just a crybaby.

[packman80]

Nah, he's just a crybaby.

Same with Herro he retweeted Butler tweet. There is no tampering in a trade you make a offer and a team accepts or not.

Heat fans are saying they think Portland took lesser offer from MKE just to spite Miami and Dame.

[packman80]

Sounds like Holiday could be on move again as reports teams are making calls on him.

[Brobocop]

Sounds like Holiday could be on move again as reports teams are making calls on him.

I'm sure that's the plan for Portland. The players they got are so much better than what the Heat were rumored to be offering.

[hermanotarjeta]

The best thing is that Milwaukee won’t be accused of being a super team - this is a legit trade.

[regularp]

I'm just wondering what the Suns are doing in this? Looks like they lost big time unless I am missing something. I did suffer a concussion on Sunday so I could be missing something

Someone justify this for the Suns (you can try but you can't)

The Suns are going to be a huge Big 3 disappointment

I love it for Milwaukee and Portland

Phoenix really hated Ayton. Even though Nurk has huge injury questions, all he has to do in Phoenix is bang down low, rebound and make open shots. They added a few guys to their bench, which they desperately needed.

This trade was a W for everybody involved. Really interested to see where Portland eventually trades Jrue. A lot of teams could use his services:

Mavs
Pels
Clippers
Magic

Hell, if I was the Warriors, I'd be trying to dump Paul with one or two of the young guys for Jrue.

[indyguy]

Suns: Got rid of Ayton, who didn't want to be there and they probably didn't want him. Got a center that can facilitate in the high post, even though his health is in question. Got a couple athletic wings that will allow the second unit to try and run. And they got a top 10 dirty player in the league in Grayson Allen, who can also shoot 3s.

Portland: Took on Ayton, who, when he wants to work, he looks amazing to fit more with the running style of Scoot/Sharpe/Grant. Got Toumani Camara who had a very solid summer league and is another high energy guy for Portland. Added Jrue, who could end up as a trade piece elsewhere or a really good mentor to two very high ceiling guards.

Bucks: Dametime.

Win/win/win trade in my opinion. Every team got pieces they were looking for.

[beavers]

I love the Ayton fit for Portland but the rest is underwhelming. Jrue is great but not a fit and is 33 years old. Only 1 new FRP and it’s 2029.


So for Dame, Nurk, Little, and Johnson the Blazers got Ayton 1 FRP, two swaps, and whatever they can extract from Holiday. That doesn’t seem great. I was hoping for another pick or two and another young player.

Maybe they can end up with a Hachimura or still swing Jrue to Miami for Jacquez/Jovic and a FRP, or Grant Williams and a FRP. I will reserve my judgement until all of the parts land but it doesn’t feel like the greatest return for Portland.

[packman80]

Just hope this trade pays off for MKE. They are still paying on the Holiday trade and will be for a few more years. Hopefully Dame brings another ring to MKE.

[daeve]

Early possible landing spots for Jrue could be Wolves, Bulls, or Raptors.

[jcmel323]

I'm surprised with the comments.

I dont think this trade is better than miami trade.
They could have done the same 3 team trade but with Herro instead of jrue. Miami was offering 2 1st round picks instead of 1st and 2 swaps.

I also think the Suns got better. Ayton was a no-show in the playoffs. Ayton even got benched at some point. He didn't fit the system once CP3 was out.
Nurkic will fit nicely.
Suns bench got way better.
I think Suns need to cut or trade a few players. They have 17-21 players right now.

[tconte]

Miami just got #@#@#@#@ on - big time - Portland called their bluff - and now Miami really doesn't have an outlet to a star now.


Embiid will want out of Philly by mid-November if not sooner. That will be
their chance.

[jova888]

Simons and Sharpe cards being shilled as we speak...

[jcmel323]

Embiid will want out of Philly by mid-November if not sooner. That will be
their chance.

doesnt fit with Bam

Heat probably will run everything again. They can beat anyone in the east except bucks.

[daeve]

Early possible landing spots for Jrue could be Wolves, Bulls, or Raptors.

Completely forgot that Brogdon is unhappy in Boston and wants out - Celtics could be lowkey contenders to land Jrue.

[regularp]

I'm surprised with the comments.

I dont think this trade is better than miami trade.
They could have done the same 3 team trade but with Herro instead of jrue. Miami was offering 2 1st round picks instead of 1st and 2 swaps.

I also think the Suns got better. Ayton was a no-show in the playoffs. Ayton even got benched at some point. He didn't fit the system once CP3 was out.
Nurkic will fit nicely.
Suns bench got way better.
I think Suns need to cut or trade a few players. They have 17-21 players right now.

Silly talk. Portland already has Scoot, Sharpe, Simons and Murray. They have absolutely no need for Herro and his contract.

Ayton is a big upgrade at center for them. This was miles better than the poo poo platter Miami was offering and they haven't even cashed in on Jrue yet.

This trade was a W for all three teams involved.

I also love how Miami homers conveniently leave out that they went on a Finals run WITHOUT Herro this past spring.

[yiguiri2002]

Suns needed some depth.

And tax relief. They got both.

Ayton didn't really fit with the team, not sure if Nurk will. But it's not a huge dropoff.

[indyguy]

And tax relief. They got both.

Ayton didn't really fit with the team, not sure if Nurk will. But it's not a huge dropoff.

I think he will fit pretty good with them...he's a very good and willing passer, which will help with ball movement, as long as they use him.

[beavers]

Silly talk. Portland already has Scoot, Sharpe, Simons and Murray. They have absolutely no need for Herro and his contract.

Ayton is a big upgrade at center for them. This was miles better than the poo poo platter Miami was offering and they haven't even cashed in on Jrue yet.

This trade was a W for all three teams involved.

So we don’t need Herro and his contract because he is a guard, but we need Holiday and his even larger contract who is also a guard? One is 23 the other is 33.

Ayton wasn’t traded for Dame either. Ayton was traded for Nurk, Little and Johnson.

Dame was traded for Jrue, the 52nd pick in the previous draft, a 2029 FRP, and 28’ & 30’ swaps.

That Dame return is thin.

[gomiamigo]

Suns needed some depth.

I think this is better for the Suns than most and not as good for the Bucks as most.

Suns got off a terrible Ayton contract, saving 16m a year upgrading to Nurk, and got valuable depth pieces - a guy like Grayson is gonna thrive with all the wide open 3s he's going to get.

Jrue such a key guy for the Bucks, don't think they have anyone who can stop guard scoring, but they will score a lot...

[asujbl]

Phoenix really hated Ayton. Even though Nurk has huge injury questions, all he has to do in Phoenix is bang down low, rebound and make open shots. They added a few guys to their bench, which they desperately needed.

This trade was a W for everybody involved. Really interested to see where Portland eventually trades Jrue. A lot of teams could use his services:

Mavs
Pels
Clippers
Magic

Hell, if I was the Warriors, I'd be trying to dump Paul with one or two of the young guys for Jrue.

Im not buying it

Signing Ayton when Indiana offered him was stupid to begin with

This just compounds the mistake

Those 3 and a super average bench arent winning anything

[asujbl]

The love for Nurk in this thread is blowing my mind

[daeve]

I think he will fit pretty good with them...he's a very good and willing passer, which will help with ball movement, as long as they use him.

He's also a slightly better option to guard Joker... though he's more of an injury risk, so kind of a wash imo. I get why Phx did it from the aspects of a happy locker room and cap relief though.

[regularp]

So we don’t need Herro and his contract because he is a guard, but we need Holiday and his even larger contract who is also a guard? One is 23 the other is 33.

Ayton wasn’t traded for Dame either. Ayton was traded for Nurk, Little and Johnson.

Dame was traded for Jrue, the 52nd pick in the previous draft, a 2029 FRP, and 28’ & 30’ swaps.

That Dame return is thin.

They are going to flip Jrue. Please tell me you have the capability of seeing the bigger picture. :coffee:

[mtr]

So we don’t need Herro and his contract because he is a guard, but we need Holiday and his even larger contract who is also a guard? One is 23 the other is 33.

Ayton wasn’t traded for Dame either. Ayton was traded for Nurk, Little and Johnson.

Dame was traded for Jrue, the 52nd pick in the previous draft, a 2029 FRP, and 28’ & 30’ swaps.

That Dame return is thin.

Jrue will be much easier to flip for more assets than Herro would have been. Herro's contract is awful and Jrue is only 33 and was an all-star last year.

[asujbl]

Bucks better win or might as well fold

This is all in as all in can get

The Bucks no longer control any of their future first-round picks within the seven-year window teams have access to them, having now traded a third unprotected pick to go along with swap rights in the other four years. If Giannis walks out the door in free agency, Milwaukee will be staring at a rebuild without the protective netting of the lottery.

[asujbl]

They are going to flip Jrue. Please tell me you have the capability of seeing the bigger picture. :coffee:

This

Only an idiot thinks Jrue plays a full year in Portland

[SupermanBrandon]

Meh! Does nothing for me.

[daeve]

Bucks better win or might as well fold

This is all in as all in can get

The Bucks no longer control any of their future first-round picks within the seven-year window teams have access to them, having now traded a third unprotected pick to go along with swap rights in the other four years. If Giannis walks out the door in free agency, Milwaukee will be staring at a rebuild without the protective netting of the lottery.

Isn't it better to compete than be a middling or irrelevant team anyway? There's a slim-to-none chance they go from Giannis aging/leaving to staying relevant no matter how they handle it. Might as well go for gold now while he's in his prime and not regret it once he's past his prime or leaves to be a #2 on some other contender.

[GOATcards]

on a completely related note, has anyone ever heard of clecters doing 3-way kard deals complete with future box break options?

[daeve]

[Neubeck] The Sixers are interested in trying to acquire Jrue Holiday, per a source familiar with their thinking. Will obviously be a robust market for him, but Philadelphia expected to see what it'll take to re-route him. (twitter.com)

add another suitor to the list for Jrue's services.

[asujbl]

Isn't it better to compete than be a middling or irrelevant team anyway? There's a slim-to-none chance they go from Giannis aging/leaving to staying relevant no matter how they handle it. Might as well go for gold now while he's in his prime and not regret it once he's past his prime or leaves to be a #2 on some other contender.

Usually I would agree

Be really good or really bad… the middle is the worst… but when you're really bad you get top picks. The Bucks wouldnt

Thats the difference. Its like the Rams of the NFL

Ill be retired before the Bucks matter again if Giannis leaves based on these pick swaps

[LondonGames]

While not a star like Ayton, Nurkic is a much better fit for this Suns team. Ayton had been getting exposed and lacks the toughness needed to go deep.

Love the trade for all 3 teams. I think the riskiest of all was on the Bucks end, who maybe gave up a better player (Jrue) for a better fit (Dame).

Portland got a haul.

[asujbl]

While not a star like Ayton, Nurkic is a much better fit for this Suns team. Ayton had been getting exposed and lacks the toughness needed to go deep.

Love the trade for all 3 teams. I think the riskiest of all was on the Bucks end, who maybe gave up a better player (Jrue) for a better fit (Dame).

Portland got a haul.

Why is Nurkic a better fit? People keep saying this with no backup

[beavers]

This

Only an idiot thinks Jrue plays a full year in Portland

He’s definitely going to be flipped. But that doesn’t change the facts of what they’ve received so far for dame. Even if they get 2 FRP for Jrue that leaves the package as Camara, 3 FRP, and 2 swaps.

[LondonGames]

Why is Nurkic a better fit? People keep saying this with no backup

Pretty sure my post at least touches on your question. I did write other words to support what I felt about Ayton.

Backup C was a huge problem for the Suns and easily their most glaring weakness. This was a problem with Ayton, and is a problem still until rectified. Having Jock Landale see minutes was a disaster.

[Packer4Rob]

Usually I would agree

Be really good or really bad… the middle is the worst… but when you're really bad you get top picks. The Bucks wouldnt

Thats the difference. Its like the Rams of the NFL

Ill be retired before the Bucks matter again if Giannis leaves based on these pick swaps
at least as bucks fans, we dont need to stay up and watch the draft year after year with the same intensity we do for football.

[asujbl]

at least as bucks fans, we dont need to stay up and watch the draft year after year with the same intensity we do for football.

Thats fair

[Nomad]

on a completely related note, has anyone ever heard of clecters doing 3-way kard deals complete with future box break options?

don't let this comment pass by.

[jcmel323]

So we don’t need Herro and his contract because he is a guard, but we need Holiday and his even larger contract who is also a guard? One is 23 the other is 33.

Ayton wasn’t traded for Dame either. Ayton was traded for Nurk, Little and Johnson.

Dame was traded for Jrue, the 52nd pick in the previous draft, a 2029 FRP, and 28’ & 30’ swaps.

That Dame return is thin.

Exactly what i was trying to say. With Heat they will have gotten the same but with 2 first round picks.

[daeve]

Exactly what i was trying to say. With Heat they will have gotten the same but with 2 first round picks.

Those Milwaukee swaps are likely going to be more valuable picks than the Miami 1sts. Bam is still young and so is Spo, and Miami is still a destination young pro athletes want to live in. Miami will likely be relevant or at least a playoff team after Jimmy is gone. The same can't be said for Milwaukee once Giannis is done or leaves to chase rings elsewhere in his twilight years.

[asujbl]

Exactly what i was trying to say. With Heat they will have gotten the same but with 2 first round picks.

Herro isnt that good

People are nuts

[regularp]

Herro isnt that good

People are nuts

And Portland already has four young guards: Scoot, Sharpe, Simons and Murray.

I'm always reminded how simple a lot of sports fans still are when I come on here and see the discussions. Anybody thinking Miami had a better offer is clueless.

This was a great deal for Portland.

[KhalDrogo]

Loss of defense will be bad enough to negate any offense Lillard adds. Although the Bucks finally adding someone who can come through late in games will be good for them.

Won’t end up mattering though. Giannis, Lillard, and Middleton are all made of glass. At least one of them will miss playoff games.

[asujbl]

And Portland already has four young guards: Scoot, Sharpe, Simons and Murray.

I'm always reminded how simple a lot of sports fans still are when I come on here and see the discussions. Anybody thinking Miami had a better offer is clueless.

This was a great deal for Portland.

Completely agree

This absolutely trumps the Miami offer

Herro is good… but in this context… he's just a name

Very blowout

[oshmeehan]

Just sayin'....

https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/tpNySHhSkFOi.jpg?o=1

[packman80]

Bucks better win or might as well fold

This is all in as all in can get

The Bucks no longer control any of their future first-round picks within the seven-year window teams have access to them, having now traded a third unprotected pick to go along with swap rights in the other four years. If Giannis walks out the door in free agency, Milwaukee will be staring at a rebuild without the protective netting of the lottery.

If Giannis wants to leave they will get a nice return for him and also trade Dame it will help restock the picks they are giving up for the next 7 years.

[asujbl]

If Giannis wants to leave they will get a nice return for him and also trade Dame it will help restock the picks they are giving up for the next 7 years.

How are you getting a return for him? Read what I wrote

[beavers]

How are you getting a return for him? Read what I wrote

Sign and trades exist

[packman80]

How are you getting a return for him? Read what I wrote

YOu think Bucks will let him hit FA? They will trade him next summer if he is not going to sign.

[ninjacookies]

Ayton > Nurk.

Yeah sure, Ayton falls short of 1st overall pick expectations, but Nurk is a career 13ppg dude that sees street clothes more often than not. Also, he's nearly 30.


Just lol@thinking Portland cares about the mass overpay on Ayton. Who else on that roster is commanding big money? They're doing what they have to do with ultra realistic short to medium term expectations. They're not looking to compete for a ship. They're thinking a 5-10 year outlook, (presumably) stockpiling high pedigree draft picks along the way, while rolling out an ultra young roster that at least -on the surface- offers fans some curiosity and excitement with their athleticism.

It wasn't too long ago that Memphis was in a similar position.


Bux gained a lot in Dame as a down-the-stretch closer, but lost arguably 2 of it's top defenders/enforcers outside of Yannis. Also, Dame's shown to not be as robust as of late, so curious how his body will be holding up going forward.


Suns - hold this L.


P-town nguyens this round.

[Nomad]

curious if Bucks would actually want Hield, who has announced intention to be free agented.

prolly over the cap.

[packman80]

curious if Bucks would actually want Hield, who has announced intention to be free agented.

prolly over the cap.

Bucks have one open roster spot but Holiday and Allen pretty much equaled what Dame is making. I can see the Bucks keep that roster spot open until maybe midway thru the season and can sign a vet buyout player for the pro-rated min.

[tjforce]

IMO, the Bucks lost size, defense and bench scoring. Yes, they gain starting ppg, will see if Dame can put up those numbers as the #2, but to me the "out" is more then the "in". Then you include the non-protected 1st and two pick swaps.

The 'size' part doesn't really make sense to me, since you also called out the defense and bench scoring.

Does losing 1 inch and 10 lbs going from Jrue to Dame really set back the offense? Certainly Allen's 6'4" size is easy to replace on the bench. Heck, they already added Malik Beasley in the offseason, so there you go.

[Nomad]

unbreakable d... hm... if the Bucks are really creative they get Nesmith mid-season, who will be grueling on the Pacers secondary and wanting something bigger. Given his old friend Middleton, he prolly takes $10 million.

[tjforce]

unbreakable d... hm... if the Bucks are really creative they get Nesmith mid-season, who will be grueling on the Pacers secondary and wanting something bigger. Given his old friend Middleton, he prolly takes $10 million.
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[Nomad]

Yes, but all the math computes. As a defender, crash has earned Giannis' utmost respek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz7xcUEh6kk&t=15s) (scowl level 10)

[mossoholic]

Bucks give up a lot but MKE is desperate to try to contend this year for a title otherwise Giannis will likely tell MKE he won't sign a new deal before his contract ends after the 2024 season thus forcing MKE to trade him. So the Bucks are all in this year if not could see this roster get blown up and lots of guys traded.

I read tons of dumb crap on here. Saying a pretty good player with 2 years left on his contract, bench players, 1 1st round pick in 6 years, and pick swaps in more years is a lot to give up for Damian F'n Lillard has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Bucks gave arguably less than half of what the Timberwolves gave up for Rudy Gobert last year. More likely than not, the best thing the Blazers received back the Bucks didn't give up!

[cms11]

I feel like the blazers have to be moving Jrue to another team. They’re already loaded with young guards.

Yes, and I doubt he plays a minute in Portland.

[cms11]

Those Milwaukee swaps are likely going to be more valuable picks than the Miami 1sts. Bam is still young and so is Spo, and Miami is still a destination young pro athletes want to live in. Miami will likely be relevant or at least a playoff team after Jimmy is gone. The same can't be said for Milwaukee once Giannis is done or leaves to chase rings elsewhere in his twilight years.

Exactly what the Blazers are planning on.

[cms11]

Jrue will be much easier to flip for more assets than Herro would have been. Herro's contract is awful and Jrue is only 33 and was an all-star last year.

Portland should get a nice haul for Jrue.

[packman80]

I read tons of dumb crap on here. Saying a pretty good player with 2 years left on his contract, bench players, 1 1st round pick in 6 years, and pick swaps in more years is a lot to give up for Damian F'n Lillard has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Bucks gave arguably less than half of what the Timberwolves gave up for Rudy Gobert last year. More likely than not, the best thing the Blazers received back the Bucks didn't give up!


LOL you act like the Bucks gave up nothing. They gave up a first and 2 swaps when good chance those could be very high picks. But go ahead live in the land of make believe they gave up little to get him. Also anyone with common sense knows the Gobert trade was a stupid trade that was never going to get another team to overpay like that again.

[mfw13]

My take:

Milwaukee gets better on offense, but worse on defense. If everyone is healthy, they're still the team to beat in the Eastern Conference playoffs.

Phoenix is worse off for me after this trade because Nurkic < Ayton and the depth guys they acquired won't see much floor time come the playoffs when rotations get tightened.

[mfw13]

Here's hoping for a Milwaukee-Golden State Finals....CPIII vs Dame for their 1st ring....:D

[GOATcards]

so if Dame helps lift the Bucks to a ring, does that mean Giannis is the best player in the game again?

low-IQ answers only please

[ninjacookies]

Shout out to Mil for today's line movement.

Just laid 5 benjis down on the undesirable stepchild of the yeast to make it 3 crowns in 5 years.

https://media.tenor.com/5KTPSd8ICb8AAAAM/jimmy-butler-jimmy-buckets.gif


Don't overthink this.

[mossoholic]

LOL you act like the Bucks gave up nothing. They gave up a first and 2 swaps when good chance those could be very high picks. But go ahead live in the land of make believe they gave up little to get him. Also anyone with common sense knows the Gobert trade was a stupid trade that was never going to get another team to overpay like that again.

For Damian Lillard, the Bucks gave up essentially nothing. When ever has a top 75 player all time, still in his prime, zero baggage, great person and teammate, with 4 years left on his contract been traded for less? Im not saying Dame is better than Durant, but the Suns gave up what 3 times what the Bucks gave up for Lillard? 2 better young players, 4 1sts, 2 seconds, 1st pick swap. Didn't basically everyone praise how great that trade was for the Suns? Anyone not praising this trade for the Bucks as it stands right now is an absolute moron.

[tjforce]

Shout out to Mil for today's line movement.

Just laid 5 benjis down on the undesirable stepchild of the yeast to make it 3 crowns in 5 years.

https://media.tenor.com/5KTPSd8ICb8AAAAM/jimmy-butler-jimmy-buckets.gif


Don't overthink this.

Ha... what were the odds on that?

[tjforce]

so if Dame helps lift the Bucks to a ring, does that mean Giannis is the best player in the game again?

low-IQ answers only please

If he drops another 50 piece in the close out game of the NBA Finals.

[tjforce]

For reference:
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What do you guys think of the Bucks package compared to this?

[ninjacookies]

Ha... what were the odds on that?

12:1, fam.

Consider it my indirect yearly tithe to the Vegas brothel industry.


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[ninjacookies]

For reference:
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What do you guys think of the Bucks package compared to this?


Tuff.


Obviously, looking back would Cleveland had made the trade if they knew what Lauri would ultimately become the ensuing year? Hindsight goggles. I mean, they kind of had to make the move because it just wouldn't work with them drafting a younger (and much cheaper) Mobley along with already having JA.


Utah did well and exceeded their preseason expectations, but ultimately are still kind of in a tough spot where it's all offense - zero d. They, along with the Kings, are so ridiculously similar in their approach.

[mfw13]

For Damian Lillard, the Bucks gave up essentially nothing.

They gave up one of the best defensive PG's in the league.

And as good as Dame is on offense, he's just as bad on defense.

So while this trade improves Milwaukee on offense, it will hurt them on defense.

You can't just ignore Dame's defensive problems....

[mossoholic]

They gave up one of the best defensive PG's in the league.

And as good as Dame is on offense, he's just as bad on defense.

So while this trade improves Milwaukee on offense, it will hurt them on defense.

You can't just ignore Dame's defensive problems....

In a league where you can't play defense. Yeah clearly at best a wash trade for the Bucks. Trade a fringe top 50 current NBA player for a fringe top 50 player all time. What were they thinking?

[packman80]

Plain and simple this trade came down to the win now in the next 2-3 years. There is a good chance MKE could be horrible in the next 4-5 years. You will have a team with a Giannis getting past his prime years or no Giannis at all. If MKE wins a title or two in the next few years it will be easier to deal with having to go thru a hard rebuild with no picks. But if all of this gets nothing. Well there will be a lot of bitter Bucks fans reliving the nightmare that was the early to mid 90s.

[yiguiri2002]

For reference:
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What do you guys think of the Bucks package compared to this?

That's extremely unfair because not even Lauri's mom expected this out of him.

I can't even remember the last time a player had two straight improved seasons like Lauri did after his rookie contract. He went from decent rotation player to legit All-Star.

[yiguiri2002]

Plain and simple this trade came down to the win now in the next 2-3 years. There is a good chance MKE could be horrible in the next 4-5 years. You will have a team with a Giannis getting past his prime years or no Giannis at all. If MKE wins a title or two in the next few years it will be easier to deal with having to go thru a hard rebuild with no picks. But if all of this gets nothing. Well there will be a lot of bitter Bucks fans reliving the nightmare that was the early to mid 90s.

I think 80%+ of the league would take that situation over what they have.

[Above the Rim]

I am in Portland. Our defense has been bad. We swap out high end offense for high end defense, plus I'll take a chance on Ayton over keeping Nukic. We need defense, we just got defense, please keep the dude.

[ninjacookies]

I am in Portland. Our defense has been bad. We swap out high end offense for high end defense, plus I'll take a chance on Ayton over keeping Nukic. We need defense, we just got defense, please keep the dude.

The defense is likely leaving town before ever suiting up.


Kinda hope they keep Jrue and ship Wrong Anfernee though. That's the move.

[Makakilo Cards]

Denver in 6

[daeve]

The defense is likely leaving town before ever suiting up.


Kinda hope they keep Jrue and ship Wrong Anfernee though. That's the move.

To Miami? Wouldn't mind seeing what Simons could do with Heat culture tbh. Would assume the Spurs or Raptors jump back in to get Herro and send assets to Portland.


It really wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to get Scoot and Sharpe a mentor like Jrue. Doubt it happens but it'd be interesting.

[ninjacookies]

To Miami? Wouldn't mind seeing what Simons could do with Heat culture tbh. Would assume the Spurs or Raptors jump back in to get Herro and send assets to Portland.


It really wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to get Scoot and Sharpe a mentor like Jrue. Doubt it happens but it'd be interesting.

You're right, it'd be a shoe-in if they do indeed ship Herro out. I'm unsure if Blazers are going to just try and clear cap space or go all out on future assets. Because luring stars/superstars in their prime has always been a fools errand. I say just wipe the slate clean and go the Memphis route and hope everything materializes in time. The West is just brutal though...

[mondogenerator]

Blazers fan here.

I'm good with it.
Glad to see Nurk moved, both he and Ayton needed a fresh start (again).
I think Jrue will be moved - interested to see what happens there.
It's nice to call Miami's bluff and get a better return elsewhere.

[cms11]

Blazers fan here.

I'm good with it.
Glad to see Nurk moved, both he and Ayton needed a fresh start (again).
I think Jrue will be moved - interested to see what happens there.
It's nice to call Miami's bluff and get a better return elsewhere.

What the Blazers get for Jrue will determine how good this trade was for them.

Also, there's no telling how good the Bucks picks will be from 2028 to 2030. If those are lottery picks it ends up a fantastic deal for the Blazers.

[ninjacookies]

The Blazers already maxed out what they could get for Dame, and that's independent of what happens to those future picks (which could simply skew it heavily in Portland's favor).

Dame's contract salary was the inhibiting factor in widening their options for negotiations. What they got now was far better than anything involving Herro + (insert here).

Now they have a 2-way AS in Jrue and a former 1st overall and got younger/more athletic in the process. If they don't ship Jrue? Well, then he gets shifted over to SF and serves as the seasoned vet that simultaneously helps mentor Scoot into his franchise role.

If they do ship him? They most likely acquire another b-tier player or perhaps another mid to late 1st + considerations.

Let's be honest: if this were strictly about rewarding Dame's extended loyalty, he would already be chillin' in South Beach. But it's a business, and Portland's out for self. As they should (nobody put a gun to Dame's head to force him to stay as long as he did)

[indyguy]

Why is Nurkic a better fit? People keep saying this with no backup

Nurkic is a way better passer out of the high post. You can involve him more in the offense without making sure he gets tons of shots. He can be a safety valve to allow a lot of movement in the offense without having to rely on the pick-and-roll. His value in that is way higher than the limited offensive skills that Ayton has at the moment.

If you changed his name to Jarrett Allen, he's almost the same guy. Doesn't play the whole season, puts up close to double double numbers, and provides some decent rim protection. Allen shoots a higher percentage and will have more energy/hustle plays than Nurk, but this is a really solid player for the makeup of this Suns team.

[Brobocop]

The Heat fans on Reddit are still trying to cope with this and are really struggling. They are convinced the Blazers only made this trade to spite the Heat rather than to make their team better.

[The_Reverend]

https://i.imgur.com/RDTZaPS.jpg

[packman80]

The Neat fans on Reddit are still trying to cope with this and are really struggling. They are convinced the Blazers only made this trade to spite the Heat rather than to make their team better.

Yeah they are ticked and refuse to accept Portland did get the best deal getting a 1st and 2 1st round swap and Holiday who they will likely turn into more 1st round picks when they trade him. It's a better deal Portland could have got out of Miami.

[daeve]

[Wojnarowski] The Boston Celtics, Philadelphia 76ers, and Los Angeles Clippers are "moving quickly" to try and acquire Jrue Holiday.

there's now a 'big three' in the Jrue bidding war it seems

[Blamo]

I split a Bucks season ticket package with 5 other guys and we divvied up the games on Tuesday. By luck of the draw I happened to get the home opener, which I was going to take my mom to as it is her birthday. But given what those tickets are going for since the trade was announced, maybe I will get her a #1 Mom coffee mug instead.

[spurs50fan]

there's now a 'big three' in the Jrue bidding war it seems

It'll likely be Boston

[daeve]

It'll likely be Boston

I think LAC may have the upper hand at the moment... gonna be trickier for Boston to make contracts work, and Jrue is from LA and played at UCLA with Westbrook, which I'd forgotten about.

[Makakilo Cards]

It'll likely be Boston

What do they have, draft wise? Any of these teams have a pick that isn't theirs?

[spurs50fan]

I think LAC may have the upper hand at the moment... gonna be trickier for Boston to make contracts work, and Jrue is from LA and played at UCLA with Westbrook, which I'd forgotten about.

Forgot about that too. Good point

[packerfan4200]

In a league where you can't play defense. Yeah clearly at best a wash trade for the Bucks. Trade a fringe top 50 current NBA player for a fringe top 50 player all time. What were they thinking?

To add to your response about defense, where it matters, it’s still plenty intact with Giannis and BroLo. Lane is still closed for business with 2 DPOY candidates.

Gonna be fun to watch!

[packerfan4200]

Plain and simple this trade came down to the win now in the next 2-3 years. There is a good chance MKE could be horrible in the next 4-5 years. You will have a team with a Giannis getting past his prime years or no Giannis at all. If MKE wins a title or two in the next few years it will be easier to deal with having to go thru a hard rebuild with no picks. But if all of this gets nothing. Well there will be a lot of bitter Bucks fans reliving the nightmare that was the early to mid 90s.

They’ll still get an all time haul for Giannis in 4 years. It’s going to definitely be a new era after that but it’s not going to be with G leaguer’s and bros off the street. If they win 1 more ring in that time frame, who cares what it looks like past 2026. Win more than that, and both Giannis and Lillard drastically improve their credentials and legacies. It’s a scenario you could have never dreamed of as a Bucks fan in the early 90s, so just enjoy the ride!

[asujbl]

The Cavs got Lauri for free. Never forget that (yes I like Larry Nance Jr… relax)

Just a reminder since people have mentioned the Mitchell trade. Haha

[packman80]

So Butler crying tampering most likely because it was Dame's agent who reached out to both the Bucks and Nets before the trade to MKE saying he would have interest in playing for both teams. Don't know know it's tampering since Dame agent already said he wanted to play for Miami also. But it's just Jimmy Cry Baby being upset they did not get Dame.

[yiguiri2002]

Boston should go all-in on Jrue. If the whole team is healthy, I can't see anyone beating them, Denver included.

Also, big LOL at anyone who thinks Portland only did this to spite Miami. I'll take what they got over what Miami was offering any day of the week.

[GOATcards]

Boston should go all-in on Jrue. If the whole team is healthy,

https://media.tenor.com/Cql_7-GqKx4AAAAC/jokic-nikola-jokic.gif

[GOATcards]

after all the poopyheads discounting joker for not having healthy playoff squads for 2 years, he's earned a laugh at their expense

[Scottish Punk]

Boston should go all-in on Jrue. If the whole team is healthy, I can't see anyone beating them, Denver included.

Also, big LOL at anyone who thinks Portland only did this to spite Miami. I'll take what they got over what Miami was offering any day of the week.

Like for real. Tyler Herro is not some big center piece for a trade. I would rather have Holiday or Ayton over Herro, let alone both. I don't know what else Miami was offering - Butler and Bam are the only guys worth anything.

I feel like every fan base tries to shoe horn whatever they have into a "Big 3", because that is what it takes to win. Herro is good, but he isn't part of any "Big 3". Lakers are doing the same thing with Reaves. Tobias Harris for the 76ers.

[yiguiri2002]

Like for real. Tyler Herro is not some big center piece for a trade. I would rather have Holiday or Ayton over Herro, let alone both. I don't know what else Miami was offering - Butler and Bam are the only guys worth anything.

I feel like every fan base tries to shoe horn whatever they have into a "Big 3", because that is what it takes to win. Herro is good, but he isn't part of any "Big 3". Lakers are doing the same thing with Reaves. Tobias Harris for the 76ers.

Filler and future picks.

Not only that, but Herro is only seen as a good asset because of the insane cap increases. He signed a big deal, didn't leave up to expectations...and his contract got much better.

Jrue should get them at least a future potential lottery pick. And they could even get another player (like Brogdon) that they can flip for additional assets.

[Brobocop]

Boston should go all-in on Jrue. If the whole team is healthy, I can't see anyone beating them, Denver included.

Also, big LOL at anyone who thinks Portland only did this to spite Miami. I'll take what they got over what Miami was offering any day of the week.

Only people who think that are Heat fans who are now trying to cope after talking smack all summer long and saying Portland had no leverage and no choice so take whatever crap Riley was graciously offering.

[brothertona]

If Herro was so valuable why was no-one lining up to be the 3rd team for him? I mean the Suns were quick to give up Ayton - no-one was fighting to trade for Herro and if anyone had wanted him then Miami has Dame.

[packman80]

According to The Athletic's Sam Amick and Shams Charania: The two sides talked more than once in July; talks never went anywhere. The Blazers' initial ask was Jimmy Butler or Bam Adebayo, and, in July and August, the Heat were prepared to offer a deal that would have returned "up to three" first-round picks to Portland, along with Nikola Jovic, cap relief, pick swaps and second-round picks, with Tyler Herro ending up on a third team. The Blazers were "disinterested" in this, and, by the time Goodwin reached out to the Bucks and the Brooklyn Nets in mid-September, Lillard was "convinced" that it would be "virtually impossible" for Miami to acquire him.

If that was Miami best offer can't blame Portland for blowing them off. It was pretty much here is a bunch of picks and trash we don't want on our roster for Dame.

[mfw13]

Boston should go all-in on Jrue. If the whole team is healthy, I can't see anyone beating them, Denver included.

Health is the huge question for almost everybody, and there are 4-5 teams that seem unbeatable if healthy.

It's not a coincidence that Denver didn't win it all until they finally got everyone healthy. Player health is a huge factor in the playoffs every year.

[JustinVerlander07]

Jrue to the Warriors for CP3 and the picks.

It's not happening but would LOVE to see it.

[JustinVerlander07]

According to The Athletic's Sam Amick and Shams Charania: The two sides talked more than once in July; talks never went anywhere. The Blazers' initial ask was Jimmy Butler or Bam Adebayo, and, in July and August, the Heat were prepared to offer a deal that would have returned "up to three" first-round picks to Portland, along with Nikola Jovic, cap relief, pick swaps and second-round picks, with Tyler Herro ending up on a third team. The Blazers were "disinterested" in this, and, by the time Goodwin reached out to the Bucks and the Brooklyn Nets in mid-September, Lillard was "convinced" that it would be "virtually impossible" for Miami to acquire him.

If that was Miami best offer can't blame Portland for blowing them off. It was pretty much here is a bunch of picks and trash we don't want on our roster for Dame.

Let's be honest. When they are asking for Jimmy or Bam they are CLEARLY signaling they aren't interested in making a deal. 3 first round picks with Jimmy/Dame aging is a good offer, and they would've got Herro.

[yiguiri2002]

Health is the huge question for almost everybody, and there are 4-5 teams that seem unbeatable if healthy.

It's not a coincidence that Denver didn't win it all until they finally got everyone healthy. Player health is a huge factor in the playoffs every year.

Who are the 4-5 teams? Only real contenders right now (assuming health) are Denver, Milwaukee and Boston. LA is a dark horse (they were healthy and swept) and everyone else needs someone to step up.

I don't think there's any team that is unbeatable at the moment, Denver was the best team last season and they are slightly worse IMO

[yiguiri2002]

According to The Athletic's Sam Amick and Shams Charania: The two sides talked more than once in July; talks never went anywhere. The Blazers' initial ask was Jimmy Butler or Bam Adebayo, and, in July and August, the Heat were prepared to offer a deal that would have returned "up to three" first-round picks to Portland, along with Nikola Jovic, cap relief, pick swaps and second-round picks, with Tyler Herro ending up on a third team. The Blazers were "disinterested" in this, and, by the time Goodwin reached out to the Bucks and the Brooklyn Nets in mid-September, Lillard was "convinced" that it would be "virtually impossible" for Miami to acquire him.

If that was Miami best offer can't blame Portland for blowing them off. It was pretty much here is a bunch of picks and trash we don't want on our roster for Dame.

So, it seems like the Heat offer was:

Jovic
Filler (matching contracts)
3 1st rounders
2-3 pick swaps
Bunch of 2nd rounders

Yeah, unless you are super high on Jovic, Bucks offer was better.

[cms11]

Boston should go all-in on Jrue. If the whole team is healthy, I can't see anyone beating them, Denver included.

Also, big LOL at anyone who thinks Portland only did this to spite Miami. I'll take what they got over what Miami was offering any day of the week.

Portland should be able to get for Jrue what the Heat were offering for Dame.

[cms11]

Who are the 4-5 teams? Only real contenders right now (assuming health) are Denver, Milwaukee and Boston. LA is a dark horse (they were healthy and swept) and everyone else needs someone to step up.

I don't think there's any team that is unbeatable at the moment, Denver was the best team last season and they are slightly worse IMO

The Heat are contenders with Jrue.

[cms11]

Jrue to the Warriors for CP3 and the picks.

It's not happening but would LOVE to see it.

Jrue for CP3, Moody, Kuminga, and a 1st.

[packman80]

Portland should be able to get for Jrue what the Heat were offering for Dame.

Be funny if Portland traded Holiday to Miami for same package

[mfw13]

Who are the 4-5 teams? Only real contenders right now (assuming health) are Denver, Milwaukee and Boston. LA is a dark horse (they were healthy and swept) and everyone else needs someone to step up.

I don't think there's any team that is unbeatable at the moment, Denver was the best team last season and they are slightly worse IMO

I would consider Milwaukee the only real contender in the East, and Denver, Phoenix, Golden State, and a healthy Clippers team as contenders from the West.

[eastbayak]

Jrue for CP3, Moody, Kuminga, and a 1st.

Whatever you're smoking, I'd love to have some.

[GOATcards]

Who are the 4-5 teams? Only real contenders right now (assuming health) are Denver, Milwaukee and Boston. LA is a dark horse (they were healthy and swept) and everyone else needs someone to step up.



I don't think there's any team that is unbeatable at the moment, Denver was the best team last season and they are slightly worse IMO

Phoenix and then LA and GSW distant 5-6

According to Vegas

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[cms11]

Whatever you're smoking, I'd love to have some.

Warriors are running out of time to win another title with Steph.

[jcardstore]

Warriors are running out of time to win another title with Steph.

This is true but why on earth would the blazers give up Jrue for a couple scrubs and washed up CP3 plus a late 1st?

[coltsnsox07]

Driving home from work here in Wisconsin there are great big 'Welcome To Milwaukee Damian' billboards all over the place with a picture of him as a Buck, very cool.

[cms11]

This is true but why on earth would the blazers give up Jrue for a couple scrubs and washed up CP3 plus a late 1st?

You have a lower opinion of Kuminga than me. Not that I think he will be a superstar, but he has a much higher ceiling than their starting PF Jeremi Grant.

IMO it will be tough for the Blazers to get back what Jrue is worth.

[LondonGames]

Jrue for CP3, Moody, Kuminga, and a 1st.

Wonder if the Warriors would do this. They are high on Kuminga (as is everyone), and would definitely be a lot to give up.

Portland I think would make this deal as they stay young, stay super talented, get a proven young talent and another 1st rounder.

I could see it.

[Scottish Punk]

Whatever you're smoking, I'd love to have some.

Might as well throw Klay in there too.

[Round Mound]

You have a lower opinion of Kuminga than me. Not that I think he will be a superstar, but he has a much higher ceiling than their starting PF Jeremi Grant.

IMO it will be tough for the Blazers to get back what Jrue is worth.

Higher ceiling than a player who averaged over 20ppg the past 3 seasons is kinda superstar status.

[packman80]

See now some of the talking heads saying did the Bucks really improve much if at all with this trade. They are really talking up Holiday saying he's one of the best in the league at defense and is not a bad shooter while saying Dames D is bad and while he's a better shooter is there that much of a difference overall and they don't see this changing MKE chances at winning the title.

[Scottish Punk]

Dame is a HOFer, Jrue is not. I like Holiday, but let's not think he is in the elite category. Second, nobody plays defense in the NBA so , meh, on that front.

I think swapping Dame for Holiday gives them a legit chance for a title. Before, probably get bounced by Celtics/76ers. I look at them as all a coin toss and pretty even. Dame gives you the advantage against Celtics/76ers.

[JustinVerlander07]

Dame is a HOFer, Jrue is not. I like Holiday, but let's not think he is in the elite category. Second, nobody plays defense in the NBA so , meh, on that front.

I think swapping Dame for Holiday gives them a legit chance for a title. Before, probably get bounced by Celtics/76ers. I look at them as all a coin toss and pretty even. Dame gives you the advantage against Celtics/76ers.

Lillard is a better fit for the Bucks because they have other really good defenders that should mask the fact Lillard doesn't try on defense, and his offense ability > Jrue, but lets not act like Jrue isn't REALLY good. All-NBA caliber guard.

Also the 'nobody plays defense in the NBA' hot take reeks of 'I don't watch much NBA'.

[Scottish Punk]

Lillard is a better fit for the Bucks because they have other really good defenders that should mask the fact Lillard doesn't try on defense, and his offense ability > Jrue, but lets not act like Jrue isn't REALLY good. All-NBA caliber guard.

Also the 'nobody plays defense in the NBA' hot take reeks of 'I don't watch much NBA'.

Yes Holiday is very good player. I wouldn't call him a superstar/max kind of guy like Dame.

I don't watch as much NBA as I used to. I still catch a game or two every week and watch the playoffs. Yes, the defense in the NBA is abysmal. There are a few token guys per team that are the role player/try hard/defense guys. Most of the stars save all their energy for offense. I see a lot of no pressure for bringing up the court, defender a full step off the ball (scared of drive bys), lazy rotations, and slow close outs on shooters.

[SidVish]

I like Jrue as a player. I would love for him to somehow be snatched up by the Bulls.

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[yiguiri2002]

I like Jrue as a player. I would love for him to somehow be snatched up by the Bulls.

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He would be a perfect fit. Lonzo + Coby + PWill + future picks for Jrue and Knox.

[packman80]

He would be a perfect fit. Lonzo + Coby + PWill + future picks for Jrue and Knox.

Bulls fans might want Holiday but does that package do much for Portland? Ball is a guy who may never play again so doubt they have interest in him. So do the other two players interest them? The picks could likely be late lottery picks to just outside the lottery so how much does that interest Portland?

Also is Portland going to work with Holiday to make sure he goes to a contender who is offering a decent package because lets face it the Bulls are not a contender.

[cms11]

He would be a perfect fit. Lonzo + Coby + PWill + future picks for Jrue and Knox.

Why, pray tell, would the Blazers do that?

[asujbl]

Jrue is a perfect fit for every team in the league

He just makes no sense for like 25+ of them

They can get a ransom for him. It was a genius move to acquire him

[packman80]

Jrue is a perfect fit for every team in the league

He just makes no sense for like 25+ of them

They can get a ransom for him. It was a genius move to acquire him

Yeah I would not be shocked if MKE had tried to get them to take Middleton in the trade but Portland refused to take him knowing Middleton has a lot less value them Holiday so MKE had to give him up to get the deal done.

[yiguiri2002]

Bulls fans might want Holiday but does that package do much for Portland? Ball is a guy who may never play again so doubt they have interest in him. So do the other two players interest them? The picks could likely be late lottery picks to just outside the lottery so how much does that interest Portland?

Also is Portland going to work with Holiday to make sure he goes to a contender who is offering a decent package because lets face it the Bulls are not a contender.

Lonzo will be filler more than anything, insurance should pay for his salary. They have almost no depth, Williams would probably be their best bench player (he might even start). I think Coby is whatever, but they could flip him for a future 2nd or something.

The pick(s) would be the key. I don't think the Bulls make the playoffs two years from now, even with that trade. You can potentially get a lottery pick out of that trade - just look at what Orlando got.

I'm more worried about Jrue only wanting to go to certain teams more than the trade value offering tbh. Celtics can offer much less and still get him because of that.

Why, pray tell, would the Blazers do that?

Read above.

[JAMSC]

See now some of the talking heads saying did the Bucks really improve much if at all with this trade. They are really talking up Holiday saying he's one of the best in the league at defense and is not a bad shooter while saying Dames D is bad and while he's a better shooter is there that much of a difference overall and they don't see this changing MKE chances at winning the title.


If you could create a player to be the perfect pair to Giannis’ game, you’d basically end up with exactly Damian Lillard. It’s hard to overstate how great of a match their games are for each other. This also allows Middleton to move into a more complementary offensive role, rather than having to be the #2 guy. Middleton is going to be deadly as a #3 offensive option. And we haven’t even mentioned yet how much this is going to open things up more for BroLo’s shooting. Defending the Bucks this season is going to be an insanely complicated puzzle, and I don’t know that any team will have the solution for it.

Anyone claiming the Bucks didn’t get better with this trade is just trying to be edgy/contrarian for clicks.

[cms11]

If you could create a player to be the perfect pair to Giannis’ game, you’d basically end up with exactly Damian Lillard. It’s hard to overstate how great of a match their games are for each other. This also allows Middleton to move into a more complementary offensive role, rather than having to be the #2 guy. Middleton is going to be deadly as a #3 offensive option. And we haven’t even mentioned yet how much this is going to open things up more for BroLo’s shooting. Defending the Bucks this season is going to be an insanely complicated puzzle, and I don’t know that any team will have the solution for it.

Anyone claiming the Bucks didn’t get better with this trade is just trying to be edgy/contrarian for clicks.

Short term it looks like a big win for the Bucks.

However, if they are a losing team in 2027, 2028, and 2029 it will be a bad trade for them if they don't get a title out of it.

[Spacemanspif]

Short term it looks like a big win for the Bucks.

However, if they are a losing team in 2027, 2028, and 2029 it will be a bad trade for them if they don't get a title out of it.

Results should have no effect on process / decision-making.

A good bet is a good bet, regardless of outcome. Someone gives you better than 1:1 odds on a coin flip, you take it. If you lose the flip, it doesn’t make it a bad decision.

In a more basketball-friendly analogy, passing to a wide open 3 point shooter is a better play than taking a long 2 over a double team. Whether each shot goes in doesn’t change that fact.

[Nomad]

Every single team must be talking about what they need to do to get Jrue, since it's even on the Pacers podcast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I715vHNgfzU&t=1569s). So obviously he is going to New Orleans.

[gomiamigo]

The love for Nurk in this thread is blowing my mind

Did you see Ayton play in the playoffs? He couldn't even stay on the court this year. Giannis stole his lunch money and stuffed him in a locker in the Finals. It's as much adding-by-subtracting as anything. Nurk is a useful player.

[GOATcards]

Did you see Embiid play in the playoffs? He couldn't even stay on the court this year. Horford stole his lunch money and stuffed him in a locker in the second round.

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