2023-24 Cleveland Cavaliers Thread

[tjforce]

With tip-off about to be under way, now seems like a good time to start a Cavs thread.



Interesting year coming up, and I don't know which way it goes. A number of questions that should be answered?



-Does this team take the next step towards the top of the East, or stay in a rung or two down?



-How does the Mitchell contract/trade rumors progress throughout the year?



-Does Mobley take the next step, and do they make him more of a focal point of the offense or base it around the back court?



-What happens with Jarrett Allen?



-How is the ball handling split up, especially at the end of games?



Here's my Cavs collection. Feel free to share yours as well.

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The above gamers are from Mobley's NBA Debut.

[asujbl]

Garland is the best player on the team

I’m fine trading Mitchell if you get FMV

Never forget we got Lauri for free

Allen is awesome

Mobley might not be Garnett but people need to relax. Cunningham and Green are trash in comparison

That’s what I’ve got

[jcardstore]

We’re winning the superbowl this year. Take that as you will

[itsbaytime]

LFG!!!!! That is my 2 cents for now. I will be down there plenty of nights to cheer them on!!

[PKIPP]

Dope collection TJ. I need to get a nice Mitchell Cavs card. Haven’t been into cards much the last year so I haven’t had the chance to buy a Mitchell Cavs card besides the panini instant 71 point game card. I wonder if there’s any nice game used stuff yet?


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[tjforce]

1-0>>>

[PKIPP]

DONNY F’ing BALL GAME BABY!


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[regularp]

Garland is the best player on the team

I’m fine trading Mitchell if you get FMV

Never forget we got Lauri for free

Allen is awesome

Mobley might not be Garnett but people need to relax. Cunningham and Green are trash in comparison

That’s what I’ve got

Cade is much further along than Mobley.

[jcardstore]

Cade is much further along than Mobley.

Further along at what? Not impacting winning basketball, that’s for sure

[BlockShotStop]

Cade is much further along than Mobley.

Ah, yes, that entire year of Cade sitting out while Evan got playoff reps really helped push Cade past Evan in the player development arena.

Lol.

[asujbl]

Further along at what? Not impacting winning basketball, that’s for sure

Ah, yes, that entire year of Cade sitting out while Evan got playoff reps really helped push Cade past Evan in the player development arena.

Lol.

It’s because I said it. Anyone else and no one replies

[jcardstore]

My absolutely worthless Okoro PC in honor of his big game

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[regularp]

Further along at what? Not impacting winning basketball, that’s for sure

Ah, yes, that entire year of Cade sitting out while Evan got playoff reps really helped push Cade past Evan in the player development arena.

Lol.

I see you guys are back on this disingenuous nonsense. I guess it's OK to be homers. :coffee:

[dirtywax]

I’m guessing 50 wins and another 1st round exit. JBB is one of the 5 worst coaches in the league. We are a bit better this year. Okoro looked real good. Mobley looked the same. Garland and Levert had bad games. Should be a fun season, but bad ending.

Loved your Garland pics!

[jcardstore]

I see you guys are back on this disingenuous nonsense. I guess it's OK to be homers. :coffee:

Well when the Pistons are 20-62 this season and the Cavs are a top 4 seed I guess we’ll see :cry:

[BlockShotStop]

I see you guys are back on this disingenuous nonsense. I guess it's OK to be homers. :coffee:

I'm genuinely befuddled by your absolute garbage take. And being a homer has nothing to do with calling you out.

Evan Mobley was on the NBA All-Defensive First Team last year - the second youngest player in NBA history to do so. He was also a key piece on offense for a team that won 51 games, increasing his output in every key statistic over his rookie season. By what imaginary metric is Cade Cunningham - a guy who has all of 77 games - "further along" than Evan Mobley? For those keeping track at home, Mobley has played played 149 regular season games and 7 postseason games, at a high level. I mean, it's absolute nonsense. AND I LIKE CADE! But c'mon man, you aren't a serious person.

[regularp]

Well when the Pistons are 20-62 this season and the Cavs are a top 4 seed I guess we’ll see :cry:

So Evan Mobley and Cade are the difference in records? Not the three All-Stars Mobley plays with including a Second Team All-NBA guard? You guys are funny.

I guess Michael Porter Jr. is the best SF in basketball by this logic.

[tjforce]

Why the hell are we talking about Cade Cunningham in a Cavs thread?

[jcardstore]

This team hasn’t improved at all year over year.

Mobley is the exact same player, Mitchell is the same player, JB is the same horrible coach.

Thankfully there are so many awesome teams and young players to watch otherwise the Cavs would be more upsetting.

First round exit is the ceiling for this team until JB is fired

[jcardstore]

If this is what Mobley is offensively he’s just going to end up being a really good 3rd piece on a contender. If that’s the case then this team has no future as currently constructed

[Nomad]

Looking forward to the game tonight. Pacers - Cavs always hard fought.

[tjforce]

Looking forward to the game tonight. Pacers - Cavs always hard fought.

Not tonight....

Team is sitting guys and mailing it in.

[tjforce]

If this is what Mobley is offensively he’s just going to end up being a really good 3rd piece on a contender. If that’s the case then this team has no future as currently constructed

The construction is a mess.

Mitchell is great, but he's a square peg in a round hole here.

Go back to 2021-22 when this team first broke out and you have a great construction to develop a guy like Mobley. He shot 51% on 12 shots a game, which is pretty good for a rookie. Much of the offense centered around dribble penetration from our point guard who was a distributor first.

Then the next season we add a guy who leads the team in usage and fires up 10 3s a game, followed by adding another guy that's been throwing up 12 a game so far this year. The biggest sin of the Cavs 2022-23 season was that Mobley's shot attempts were flat, and actually down on a per minute basis (even though his shooting % when up to 55%). He's not making the leap we all hoped, but JB is not helping him either and it's frustrating to see.

[Nomad]

"Team is sitting guys and mailing it in."

Dang, in that case, how many blowouts can Pacers rack up in the early going? Universe is conspiring to give McConnell minutes.

[asujbl]

Cavs need to trade Mitchell… Mitchell is really good. Relax

Garland, Mobley, Allen (I still think they can play together) is the organic team

Mitchell was worth the risk. I don’t hate it at all. Never will. You get a Top 20 player if you can (and never forget we got Lauri for free)

Time to recoup some assets though

[Nomad]

I think Lauri was a keeper however.

[asujbl]

I think Lauri was a keeper however.

We all loved Lauri

You didn’t keep him if you could get Mitchell

That was random what happened with him

[jcardstore]

Cavs need to trade Mitchell… Mitchell is really good. Relax

Garland, Mobley, Allen (I still think they can play together) is the organic team

Mitchell was worth the risk. I don’t hate it at all. Never will. You get a Top 20 player if you can (and never forget we got Lauri for free)

Time to recoup some assets though

I agree but at what point do you trade him and what can you realistically expect to get back?

[asujbl]

I agree but at what point do you trade him and what can you realistically expect to get back?

Wiggins
Kuminga
Picks

I saw that on Twitter and I don’t hate it. I get what we gave up but it’s time

Wiggins is the 3 and D we can use. I’ve always been a Kuminga guy. Picks were a bunch of random stuff to recoup assets

I’ll find the actual “proposal” which was made up but still

[asujbl]

Here is what it was

[asujbl]

The Trade Proposal
Cleveland Cavaliers Receive: G/F Andrew Wiggins, F Jonathan Kuminga, G/F Moses Moody, 2028 First-Round Pick (GSW)
Golden State Warriors Receive: G Donovan
Mitchell

[jcardstore]

The Trade Proposal
Cleveland Cavaliers Receive: G/F Andrew Wiggins, F Jonathan Kuminga, G/F Moses Moody, 2028 First-Round Pick (GSW)
Golden State Warriors Receive: G Donovan
Mitchell

It’s not the worst trade of all time but it’s vomit worthy considering what we gave up

[asujbl]

It’s not the worst trade of all time but it’s vomit worthy considering what we gave up

Sunk cost unfortunately

[tjforce]

Sunk cost unfortunately

Yep. It was an overpay for the fit it is.

Again, not saying Mitchell isn't legit. He totally is. But we bid ourselves up and gutted the team do get him.

[Nomad]

I mean you have core talent and need picks. Just plot it out like the Pacers did last year, give the young guns time to mature as leaders and tank.

[tjforce]

I mean you have core talent and need picks. Just plot it out like the Pacers did last year, give the young guns time to mature as leaders and tank.

But that's the point...

all the picks got traded to the Jazz.

[Nomad]

Oh ok you follow the Cavs and Jazz and Trailblazers more than I do. That's a terrible trade. (Unless Mitch does his thing eventually).

Anyway, Nembhard, Smith and/or Nesmith in already, I bet. That's kind of a knock on Ty's crew.

[Nomad]

or Levert emerges as a starter... damn

[tjforce]

or Levert emerges as a starter... damn

He does this...

He'll go 3-14 next game.

[Nomad]

Wow, Nesmith looking like a young Don Mitch for a sec.

But he'll be back to 3-D duties next game.

[PKIPP]

He does this...

He'll go 3-14 next game.


I hate it.


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[jcardstore]

Just another horrible JB rotation. You’re missing 3 of your 4 starters and you still only really play 6 guys? You couldn’t play Emoni more than 7 minutes in a game you were going to lose anyways?

I’m done with JB as the coach

[Nomad]

Damn, crash throw down, created by his perimeter threat. New career high.

[Nomad]

Hali on fire.

Malthurin and Okoro similar. Ceiling?

[Nomad]

Anyone know why Cavs benched all their guns? Punishment for blowing a 10 point lead to OKC?

[tjforce]

Anyone know why Cavs benched all their guns? Punishment for blowing a 10 point lead to OKC?

Because JB is soft and loves resting a bunch of guys that still have yet to accomplish anything.


Regardless, Mobley puts up 33 pts, 14 rebs, 3 asts, 3 blocks in 33 minutes when they make him the focal points. Who woulda thunk it!

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It's almost like he's under-utilized when the full squad is out there.

[Nomad]

He has potential when he fills out but I do not see the killer instinct. Either you have it or you don't?

[tjforce]

He has potential when he fills out but I do not see the killer instinct. Either you have it or you don't?


Yeah. Him Rebounding the ball on defense, dribbling down the court and throwing down a 2 handed dunk on Turner seemed pretty killer to me
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[Nomad]

I mean he was going against the Pacers' starters...

[tjforce]

Cavs haven't beaten the Warriors since June 2017.

16 L's in a row. Let's see what they got today!

[tjforce]

Shame on the rest of you for having no faith

[tjforce]

Last 2 4th quarters:

Mobley: 6-7 shooting. 20 points.

[PKIPP]

Cavs haven't beaten the Warriors since June 2017.

16 L's in a row. Let's see what they got today!


2 in a row against ‘em now! I guess they said that’s the first season series sweep for Cavs over dubs in 13 years, which makes sense.

That was a huge win. 3-6 would’ve looked bad. And they played really well to beat them last night.


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