Am i being scammed?

[cityandcolour]

Recently on eBay someone purchased a high end card from me, over 3k. They have no feedback on eBay but the payment was made right away. I'm from Australia, and the buyer from Canada.

I was extremely suspicious but as the card was paid for, i shipped with signature etc and tracking says delivered about a week ago. Tonight, i received a text message from the ohone number on the buyers eBay account saying the following:

"We received this card from you. We don't collect cards,and the person who received the package paid customs duty on it?"

My question is, am i being scammed here?

Edit 18 March 2024:
TLDNR
Turns out that I appear to have been scammed and buyer (ebay username grawa_39) did a chargeback through their bank and ebay then tried to recoup the money from me. After a month or so of back and forth, ebay did the right thing and accepted evidence that the buyer signed for the item.

[Blake050]

Why are you receiving text messages from ebay buyers?

In the US, international orders go to the ebay hub, and sellers are protected once the item is processed through there. Not sure if orders from Australia are handled the same.

[rifleman69]

How does the buyer have your phone number?

[cityandcolour]

Potentially because i put my number on the form required to be filled out when sending from here oversees. I sent using Australia Post.

I did just get off the phone with eBay and the person i spoke to was very reassuring.
She said the buyers account is considered suspicious considering its 5 years old and my card was its first purchase, so they are investigating the account. She also confirmed if for some reason the buyer opened a claim against me, i would have nothing to worry about as tracking suggests the card has been sent to the correct address and signsd for, so eBay would find in my favour.

We'll see i suppose...hopefully nothing comes of it.

[cityandcolour]

How does the buyer have your phone number?

Answered above but also worth adding, i can see the buyers number on their order which is how i know it matches the number of the person who sent me a text message. I am not responding to this person though.

[ninjabum87]

Sounds like a pretty classic "we sent you too much/paid too much/sent money we didn't want to" scam to me.

[blackbears86]

OP: I would handle everything through ebay if this somehow turns sour.

[90sbasketballin]

OP: I would handle everything through ebay if this somehow turns sour.

I second this

[cityandcolour]

OP: I would handle everything through ebay if this somehow turns sour.

Oh definitely. I will not be responding to the text message. Hopefully eBay are true to their word and im covered.

The text message is interesting in that its saying they dont collect cards and didn't order it. They're not saying i sent the wrong card, which is a fairly typical scam, so its a bit weird

[IronCladLou]

Recently on eBay someone purchased a high end card from me, over 3k. They have no feedback on eBay but the payment was made right away. I'm from Australia, and the buyer from Canada.

I was extremely suspicious but as the card was paid for, i shipped with signature etc and tracking says delivered about a week ago. Tonight, i received a text message from the ohone number on the buyers eBay account saying the following:

"We received this card from you. We don't collect cards,and the person who received the package paid customs duty on it?"

My question is, am i being scammed here?

LOL Nice scam they're trying on.

What type of postage did you use from Auspost? Did you have to fill out the customs form over 2k?

This is my worry when selling cards to the US from Australia.

Hopefully you've done everything Ebay requires, but I am sure a SNAD will follow

[cityandcolour]

LOL Nice scam they're trying on.

What type of postage did you use from Auspost? Did you have to fill out the customs form over 2k?

This is my worry when selling cards to the US from Australia.

Hopefully you've done everything Ebay requires, but I am sure a SNAD will follow

Yep over 2k, express, signature and tracking.

My gut feeling is that theyll say they never got it, but the number they messaged me from is the same number on the account, and ive screenshotted both. I just dont understand how the text message would help them unless they're trying to bait me into responding, which i wont.

[josun45]

I don't think they're trying to scam you... They're just stating they had to pay additional fees for the card (customs duty) and are presumably upset about that?

As a Canadian, most of the time you receive any high-valued item, you're going to get dinged with customs

[cholodolo]

I don't think they're trying to scam you... They're just stating they had to pay additional fees for the card (customs duty) and are presumably upset about that?

As a Canadian, most of the time you receive any high-valued item, you're going to get dinged with customs

Why would that be the seller's issue? He's not responsible for Canadian customs (and presumably doesn't know anything about them as he's in Australia) -- buyers are responsible for all local taxes/fees.

And, sending a text message and not an eBay message was the correct way to handle this?

OP, you are right to have your guard up. Any off-platform communication (especially complaints) are huge red flags. Had someone call and leave me a voicemail about a watch list item once...

[ThatGuyPal]

Canadian customs/duty are terrible, if you declared the true value of the card and didn't mark it as a gift etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they got hit with an extra $500 + charge at border no joke. They also won't release an item either you can't refuse to pay and still get it, you can only go through a hundred hoops trying to recoup some afterwards, if not they'll just hold/send package back. Dumb to use the number listed on Ebay but sounds like they got killed on duty and decided the card wasn't worth whatever extra they paid and are trying to get out of it, thats my theory based on how they ended it oddly with "they paid customs duty on it"? Maybe they plan to send it back and try and get their customs back which is why they didn't do the didn't receive scam

[codered]

Definitely sounds suspicious. Unless they are really young/really inexperienced with ordering items from outside canada they should know there is always a chance at having to pay customs and that customs/taxes are their responsibility.
What’s their area code on their messages? Does it match the provincial region of delivery?

[cityandcolour]

Definitely sounds suspicious. Unless they are really young/really inexperienced with ordering items from outside canada they should know there is always a chance at having to pay customs and that customs/taxes are their responsibility.
What’s their area code on their messages? Does it match the provincial region of delivery?

Great question.

Area code appears to be 416, Toronto, Ontario. The address provided to send to is a 90 minute drive from Toronto according to Maps.

[cityandcolour]

Update on this.

Buyer lodged a dispute today, well after the 30 day eBay return policy.

Ive provided eBay the tracking as well as a reference number they gave me after i reported to them that the buyer messaged me outside of eBay, when they also said i would be protected if the buyer lodged a dispute.

I dont even have the money anymore, as the 30 days ended on December 23.

[cityandcolour]

I just checked it again. Appears they filed it directly with their credit card provider.

Update on this.

Buyer lodged a dispute today, well after the 30 day eBay return policy.

Ive provided eBay the tracking as well as a reference number they gave me after i reported to them that the buyer messaged me outside of eBay, when they also said i would be protected if the buyer lodged a dispute.

I dont even have the money anymore, as the 30 days ended on December 23.

[rifleman69]

Yep, that's the scam.

[NBAicons]

I just checked it again. Appears they filed it directly with their credit card provider.

So now do you contact the scammer's credit card company directly and show them the evidence? How do you fight this?

[cityandcolour]

So now do you contact the scammer's credit card company directly and show them the evidence? How do you fight this?

My understanding is that they disputed it with their financial institution, who then dispute it with eBay, who then open the paymrnt dispute with me to ask my response.

I provide my response, ebay pass it on to the buyers financial institution who make a decision if the chargeback is valid.

If the buyer wins, their bank will give them their money back and then request eBay pay the bank back, and eBay will then come after me for the money.

It's absolutely an uphill battle as a seller, so im done with eBay for sure if they dont protect me in this scenario. 0 feedback accounts should not be able to purchase anything over 100 bucks imo. Im probably done with eBay regardless because this was utterly predictable.

[DynaEtch]

It is not guaranteed, but odds are on the side if the chargeback goes through, ebay will be paying it out- they do have seller protections and sellers are generally covered in this instance of a chargeback. It would be quite rare for a seller to be on the hook for this with proper evidence including the delivery scan on tracking/sig.

So ebay likely takes the hit, and it's frustrating because it is very possible the scammer ends up with both the card and $, encouraging them to keep on scamming. The blame here besides the scammer is the willingness of credit card companies/financial institutions to so readily reverse charges. I really hope they are looking into these for what they are- scams- and looking for patterns in behavior.

[Breesus85]

It is not guaranteed, but odds are on the side if the chargeback goes through, ebay will be paying it out- they do have seller protections and sellers are generally covered in this instance of a chargeback. It would be quite rare for a seller to be on the hook for this with proper evidence including the delivery scan on tracking/sig.

So ebay likely takes the hit, and it's frustrating because it is very possible the scammer ends up with both the card and $, encouraging them to keep on scamming. The blame here besides the scammer is the willingness of credit card companies/financial institutions to so readily reverse charges. I really hope they are looking into these for what they are- scams- and looking for patterns in behavior.

This. If item was sent to the address on the account and delivered, you are covered with eBay’s seller protection. I’ve had about 5 of these and eBay has covered every one.

[cityandcolour]

This. If item was sent to the address on the account and delivered, you are covered with eBay’s seller protection. I’ve had about 5 of these and eBay has covered every one.

This gives me some comfort, thanks for shsring.

[Ericc5Bears]

As others have said, this is one area where ebay actually does a really good job protecting sellers. As long as you can provide definitive proof the item was delivered and the buyers case was after the 30 day money-back period they will refund the financial institution out of their own pocket. Even though the buyer will most likely get their money back and keep the item they'll also probably get banned by ebay so at least there's that.

[jbettis32]

After reading the story, I just then understood why Ebay charges me ~15% selling fee, as they will have to cover those charge back, claim back to those scammers. Ebay should avoid those charge back with the credit card issuers, and I think they are large enough to negotiate with them to prevent those obvious scams with proven delivery. Otherwise, our seller fee will soon rise again for these reasons... The innocents got punished, with scammers running away with easy money....

[cityandcolour]

Update.

Ebay found in the buyers favour and say they will take the money from my account. I will fight this as its ridiculous, but I'm done with using ebay in any capacity.

[ninjabum87]

Thats asinine that they don't require the buyer to ship the card back in order to receive their money back. That money should be held in escrow and the buyer forced to send the card to authentication to match it with the item purchased when it went to authentication the other way.

[cityandcolour]

Thats asinine that they don't require the buyer to ship the card back in order to receive their money back. That money should be held in escrow and the buyer forced to send the card to authentication to match it with the item purchased when it went to authentication the other way.

Correct, no sign of the card, and they'll be attempting to debit the money from my bank account in a couple of days As the money is long gone, it'll wind up going to debt collection no doubt.

[Promethius88]

Correct, no sign of the card, and they'll be attempting to debit the money from my bank account in a couple of days As the money is long gone, it'll wind up going to debt collection no doubt.

I would contact your bank and freeze your account.

[Sonnys88]

Update.

Ebay found in the buyers favour and say they will take the money from my account. I will fight this as its ridiculous, but I'm done with using ebay in any capacity.

Over 4 months later?

Never heard of any eBay case taking that long to resolve.

[cityandcolour]

Over 4 months later?

Never heard of any eBay case taking that long to resolve.

It's utterly ridiculous. Essentially the message eBay are sending is that if you follow the rules when selling, it doesn't matter. Breaking the rules as a buyer can be quite lucrative though.

[ninjabum87]

Surely ebay doesn't have such ridiculous buyer protections on the ebay motors side for instance where you can sell someone a car, they send you 40k and then months later the buyer claims they didn't get the car or the car wasn't as advertised and ebay just attempts to yank 5 figures back from you right? But because these are pieces of expensive cardboard they just let people fleece sellers with impunity.

[glen87]

Over 4 months later?

Never heard of any eBay case taking that long to resolve.

it is because this was not really an ebay case. it was a credit card company charge back to ebay. most credit cards have buyer protection for at least 6 months, and is not up to ebay.

[ninjabum87]

OP, can you open a case with some sort of Canadian police agency and report the theft of your card through fraudulent chargeback? Over 3k dollars, surely the evidence you have could amount to something?

[cityandcolour]

it is because this was not really an ebay case. it was a credit card company charge back to ebay. most credit cards have buyer protection for at least 6 months, and is not up to ebay.

This is true. The end result still happened under their watch though.

Either way, that's me never using eBay again. Have had the account for 15 years, so it's a shame.

I'll be calling eBay soon when their lines are open, but I'm not optimistic it'll get me anywhere

[cityandcolour]

OP, can you open a case with some sort of Canadian police agency and report the theft of your card through fraudulent chargeback? Over 3k dollars, surely the evidence you have could amount to something?

In theory I could, but other life situations make me pretty time and energy poor. While it is a lot of money to me, I've also got to look after my mental health here and not spread myself too thin. I'll focus on eBay and potentially our consumer affairs scheme in Australia first, then see what happens I guess.

I do appreciate the suggestion, though.

[glen87]

OP, can you open a case with some sort of Canadian police agency and report the theft of your card through fraudulent chargeback? Over 3k dollars, surely the evidence you have could amount to something?

at this point it may be too late. would be a tough thing to prove.

[Sandberg23]

I feel for you op. I had the same thing happen to me. Buyer did a chargeback through their credit card 4 months after the sale. Fortunately for me it was only a $50 card but I stopped selling through eBay because of it. I only sell using auction houses or consignment services now.

[cityandcolour]

I feel for you op. I had the same thing happen to me. Buyer did a chargeback through their credit card 4 months after the sale. Fortunately for me it was only a $50 card but I stopped selling through eBay because of it. I got by sell using auction houses or consignment services now.

Yeah, the injustice of it all really sucks honestly.

[RealDocStrange]

I feel so awful about this - If you don’t mind are you able to share the relevant portion of the eBay decision where they seemingly ignore tracking showing delivered, side with buyers credit card co, and decide they will do a chargeback after return window which is against their stated policy and I think against every sellers lifelong experience? Did they mention any other reason for the chargeback? Customs maybe?

I am guessing you somehow got trapped with an inexperienced customer service rep handling this and should escalate heavily.


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[cityandcolour]

I feel so awful about this - If you don’t mind are you able to share the relevant portion of the eBay decision where they seemingly ignore tracking showing delivered, side with buyers credit card co, and decide they will do a chargeback after return window which is against their stated policy and I think against every sellers lifelong experience? Did they mention any other reason for the chargeback? Customs maybe?

I am guessing you somehow got trapped with an inexperienced customer service rep handling this and should escalate heavily.


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Just says buyers payment institution sided with buyer and I'm not protected under eBay's sellers protections. Nothing more unfortunately!

I'll be calling them as soon as the phone line is open, and escalating if need be for sure.

[ninjabum87]

at this point it may be too late. would be a tough thing to prove.

Did this card go through authentication on ebays side Im wondering? Or is there no authentication between Aus and Canada?

[ninjabum87]

Just says buyers payment institution sided with buyer and I'm not protected under eBay's sellers protections. Nothing more unfortunately!

I'll be calling them as soon as the phone line is open, and escalating if need be for sure.

That's crap because a credit card company almost always sides with their cardholder by default on chargebacks unless they abuse it a lot.

[cityandcolour]

Did this card go through authentication on ebays side Im wondering? Or is there no authentication between Aus and Canada?

That's not, or wasn't available to me in Australia unfortunately, as I would have preferred to do that.

[cityandcolour]

Ebay webchat was thoroughly unhelpful. Long and short of it is someone will be in touch within 48-72 hours by email. Apparently phone isn't operating until Monday.

[glen87]

I feel so awful about this - If you don’t mind are you able to share the relevant portion of the eBay decision where they seemingly ignore tracking showing delivered, side with buyers credit card co, and decide they will do a chargeback after return window which is against their stated policy and I think against every sellers lifelong experience? Did they mention any other reason for the chargeback? Customs maybe?

I am guessing you somehow got trapped with an inexperienced customer service rep handling this and should escalate heavily.


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has nothing to do with their return window or tracking, this was initiated by the CC company as a fraudulent payment.

"The only way for businesses to deal with chargeback fraud after the fact is through chargeback disputes. This means disputing each fraudulent chargeback that comes along with sufficient and compelling evidence to prove that a customer did, in fact, authorize a purchase. But like many things in business, the dispute process takes up time and money in investigating and gathering information. "

this is why ebay (and every other company basically) does not fight it. it is too expensive and hard to prove. ebay would have to prove to the CC company that the buyer actually authorized the purchase. how is this even possible when the buyer has written to the CC company that they did not authorize the purchase? it is a no win situation for companies. fight it and they spend more than it would cost to settle.

[RealDocStrange]

has nothing to do with their return window or tracking, this was initiated by the CC company as a fraudulent payment.

"The only way for businesses to deal with chargeback fraud after the fact is through chargeback disputes. This means disputing each fraudulent chargeback that comes along with sufficient and compelling evidence to prove that a customer did, in fact, authorize a purchase. But like many things in business, the dispute process takes up time and money in investigating and gathering information. "

this is why ebay (and every other company basically) does not fight it. it is too expensive and hard to prove. ebay would have to prove to the CC company that the buyer actually authorized the purchase. how is this even possible when the buyer has written to the CC company that they did not authorize the purchase? it is a no win situation for companies. fight it and they spend more than it would cost to settle.


I understand this - but if eBay is not going to stand behind sellers with a delivered tracking number it’s a massive risk for sellers and I’ve always heard they cover sellers in this instance.


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[Frog]

I feel for you OP. I got hit with a $1500 chargeback on PayPal a couple years ago. Literally nothing you can do if they go through their bank and dispute it. I talked to PayPal and they told me since it's through their bank, there's nothing they can do

[Kefka891]

It’s scary how simple it is for someone to score a free few thousand bucks.

1. Order something expensive
2. Tell your CC you didn’t
3. Enjoy

Crazy.

[cityandcolour]

It’s scary how simple it is for someone to score a free few thousand bucks.

1. Order something expensive
2. Tell your CC you didn’t
3. Enjoy

Crazy.

Yep, very lucrative if you lack a bit of morals.

[ninjacookies]

Ebay should not be allowing any type of chargebacks for items shown as delivered. That should be covered by their insurance...and they should be the ones in pursuit of recouping the funds through the appropriate parties.

Even if a person goes through their bank/cc issuer if their account was legitimately hacked/compromised (not the case in this scenario), typically it's that entity that covers the loss on their end. The fact that Ebay is supposedly eating the loss is crazy.

The honus needs to be on Ebay in these cases, as the seller has fulfilled their obligations and should not be liable. And if Ebay holds the seller accountable in these extenuating circumstances, they should only do so in cases where the item is able to be delivered back to them.


I suppose this is why 3rd party auction houses exist/grown in popularity, especially for higher end cards. Nobody wants to assume culpability for fraudsters.

[cityandcolour]

Ebay should not be allowing any type of chargebacks for items shown as delivered. That should be covered by their insurance...and they should be the ones in pursuit of recouping the funds through the appropriate parties.

Even if a person goes through their bank/cc issuer if their account was legitimately hacked/compromised (not the case in this scenario), typically it's that entity that covers the loss on their end. The fact that Ebay is supposedly eating the loss is crazy.

The honus needs to be on Ebay in these cases, as the seller has fulfilled their obligations and should not be liable. And if Ebay holds the seller accountable in these extenuating circumstances, they should only do so in cases where the item is able to be delivered back to them.


I suppose this is why 3rd party auction houses exist/grown in popularity, especially for higher end cards. Nobody wants to assume culpability for fraudsters.

Agreed. My argument to them is basically that I've done everything right, but not only do I lose the item because they're not even trying to get it back, but I'll now be financially more worse off significantly simply for selling on eBay because they're taking the money from me too.

They don't seem to care that
1. I gave tracking that shows the item was sent to the address that the buyer gave to ebay.
2. I have a text message from the buyer who tried to say they didn't order the card, yet the chargeback is for not receiving the item.
3. They're basically saying, that once you sell an item, the money isn't yours for approximately 6 months because the buyer can do a chargeback.

Have emptied my bank account and turned off overdrawing. So I'm not making it easy for them to take the money at this stage.

[ninjacookies]

Have emptied my bank account and turned off overdrawing. So I'm not making it easy for them to take the money at this stage.

Good on you. Absolutely the right move.

It's entirely possible they try and pursue it through collections, but due to you being overseas it will be basically impossible for them to collect or damage you in any meaningful way. Worst case is they'll probably ban your ebay account and make it difficult for you to use them in the future for selling, though there's always stealth methods to get around that.

Screw them, and screw the people that pulled this garbage. You may want to think about airing them out formally with names/address(es) so that others can put them on block and not allow them to run the scam back.

[Sandberg23]

Agreed. My argument to them is basically that I've done everything right, but not only do I lose the item because they're not even trying to get it back, but I'll now be financially more worse off significantly simply for selling on eBay because they're taking the money from me too.

They don't seem to care that
1. I gave tracking that shows the item was sent to the address that the buyer gave to ebay.
2. I have a text message from the buyer who tried to say they didn't order the card, yet the chargeback is for not receiving the item.
3. They're basically saying, that once you sell an item, the money isn't yours for approximately 6 months because the buyer can do a chargeback.

Have emptied my bank account and turned off overdrawing. So I'm not making it easy for them to take the money at this stage.

You can tell your bank that you suspect that your account number has been stolen and you want it renumbered.

[Hobbyboxer]

I’d have closed the bank account. This is absolutely #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@. I’d be continuing to get ahold of different eBay customer service people until I got the answer I’m looking for.

[Gary]

Ebay just looks the other way on CC charge-backs,They just say its out of their control the CC company made the decision.and leave you to deal with the fall out.Sell on ebay long enough it will happen to most sellers.In Ebays defense they cant fight banks,best ebay can do is not allow CC's anymore.that would stop most of the scams and unfortunately most sales also.the blame as another reply stated is with the CC company allowing it to happen.

You can do everything right and still get screwed.That's the sad truth.

[cityandcolour]

Ebay just looks the other way on CC charge-backs,They just say its out of their control the CC company made the decision.and leave you to deal with the fall out.Sell on ebay long enough it will happen to most sellers.In Ebays defense they cant fight banks,best ebay can do is not allow CC's anymore.that would stop most of the scams and unfortunately most sales also.the blame as another reply stated is with the CC company allowing it to happen.

You can do everything right and still get screwed.That's the sad truth.

This is essentially what they are saying to me. It's unreal how dodgy it all is.

[CardMaster69]

This is essentially what they are saying to me. It's unreal how dodgy it all is.

Dude as a fellow Aussie I love that you used both “unreal” and “dodgy” in the same sentence. I think the Americans will be like “dod-gy. Is that like dodgeball? What does that mean? And why isn’t it real? Janice? Janice! I need this explained for me!”

[deemsterz33]

Not sure if this is useful, but eBay has a number specifically for fraud: 866-961-9253

[bub838]

Dude as a fellow Aussie I love that you used both “unreal” and “dodgy” in the same sentence. I think the Americans will be like “dod-gy. Is that like dodgeball? What does that mean? And why isn’t it real? Janice? Janice! I need this explained for me!”

Unreal and dodgy are also in the American vernacular.

[ninjabum87]

Yeah those are both very common words used the exact same way.

[cityandcolour]

Update.

I contacted Australia Post with my tracking info, as eBay asked me to prove I sent it with signature delivery.

They directed me to enter the tracking number via Canada Post website, which shows it was signed for, AND actually has a scan of the signature, by the person who ordered the card.

I've provided eBay plenty of evidence that the person who ordered the card, received the card, contacted me via SMS having got my number from the package to say they don't collect basketball cards.

If eBay still do not cease in their attempt to take the money from me, it is abundantly clear that they actually encourage the buyer to scam sellers.

[cityandcolour]

Also, the buyers account is no longer registered which based on probability means:
A. They deactivated it once the scam was completed, or
B. eBay deactivated it when I told them in December 2023 that the buyer sending me a text message and having 0 feedback made me suspicious of the scam.

[cityandcolour]

Final update.

Ebay have now changed their tune and have found in my favour and will not seek the money from me.

I wanna say thanks to all who gave adivce/reached out. It was a lot of work and their willingness to close it off without working with me was certainly frustrating.

[rifleman69]

Final update.

Ebay have now changed their tune and have found in my favour and will not seek the money from me.

I wanna say thanks to all who gave adivce/reached out. It was a lot of work and their willingness to close it off without working with me was certainly frustrating.

That's what we like to hear. It's ebay's problem.

[ninjacookies]

Muy bien.

Yes, in these cases...it appears as though you just have to keep on prodding for the right rep that'll finally get it right.


Now please: update your original post with the scammer's information.

[bub838]

Final update.

Ebay have now changed their tune and have found in my favour and will not seek the money from me.

I wanna say thanks to all who gave adivce/reached out. It was a lot of work and their willingness to close it off without working with me was certainly frustrating.

Great news. Sorry you had to go through all of that friction for eBay to do the right thing.

[cityandcolour]

Muy bien.

Yes, in these cases...it appears as though you just have to keep on prodding for the right rep that'll finally get it right.


Now please: update your original post with the scammer's information.

The scammers account had been removed by eBay, but his eBay username was grawa_39

[ninjacookies]

The scammers account had been removed by eBay, but his eBay username was grawa_39

Thank you. Any records of his/her real name or the name they used, and/or the particular city they resided in?

They've most likely created several new accounts, but this might be helpful for future users.

[Sandberg23]

Final update.

Ebay have now changed their tune and have found in my favour and will not seek the money from me.

I wanna say thanks to all who gave adivce/reached out. It was a lot of work and their willingness to close it off without working with me was certainly frustrating.

Great!

[kingofsnake]

Final update.

Ebay have now changed their tune and have found in my favour and will not seek the money from me.

I wanna say thanks to all who gave adivce/reached out. It was a lot of work and their willingness to close it off without working with me was certainly frustrating.

Congratulations on the more positive outcome. Sorry that you had to go through so much stress and unhappiness.

[CardMaster69]

Are you going to be able to get your card back?

[CardMaster69]

If not we'll get Albo to declare war on Canada and deploy all those subs we got from the French.

[cityandcolour]

Are you going to be able to get your card back?

I wish, purely because the card is a bloody nice one and I hate that it's in the hands of somebody who shouldn't have it. It was paid for though, so if eBay want the money it had to pay their bank, or the card, they can go nuts.

I for one am mentally drained by all of this!