Justin Herbert.....

[starfox]

......does he get a pass now? Treat him just like you treat Dak and Lamar. Hold on: at least Dak and Lamar have multiple playoff wins. So you can't even treat him like them. Herbert supporters: come out!

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[SleeperCards]

I still like Justin Herbert <3

That said if Mahomes win the SB this year I'm selling every other player and buying more Mahomes.

[PokeyAndG]

......does he get a pass now? Treat him just like you treat Dak and Lamar. Hold on: at least Dak and Lamar have multiple playoff wins. So you can't even treat him like them. Herbert supporters: come out!

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Harbaugh will be the 3rd coach Herbert gets fired in his short career.

[49erRCCollector]

I like everything about Herbert…

… except for the results.

[Siberian13]

That’s as ugly as it gets. 4 INTs

[starfox]

And another Herbert pick......

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[hermanotarjeta]

That’s as ugly as it gets. 4 INTs

More INTs in this game than the entire 17 game regular season.

[pejc300]

1.1 million for the black prizm. Will go down as potentially the worst purchase in football cards history. Or 1.8 million for the NT Shield RPA 1/1

[jplarson]

I like everything about Herbert…

… except for the results.

So current day Dan Marino?

[Gem10collection]

its going to be a long, cold, "dont catch a knife" offseason for the herbert guys

[Siberian13]

1.1 million for the black prizm. Will go down as potentially the worst purchase in football cards history. Or 1.8 million for the NT Shield RPA 1/1

What about that Desmond Ridder guy?

[Delta5]

Yikes, he stinks. Big arms but no accuracy and always choke on playoff

[hermanotarjeta]

Sell and don’t look back.

It’s over Johnny.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Young Joe Flacco with modern day inflated stats.

[SleeperCards]

1.1 million for the black prizm. Will go down as potentially the worst purchase in football cards history. Or 1.8 million for the NT Shield RPA 1/1

What did the Mac Jones Black that kid pulled end up going for?

[PokeyAndG]

1.1 million for the black prizm. Will go down as potentially the worst purchase in football cards history. Or 1.8 million for the NT Shield RPA 1/1

jeez man. i'm glad wasn't me holding the bag this time

[Delta5]

1.1 million for the black prizm. Will go down as potentially the worst purchase in football cards history. Or 1.8 million for the NT Shield RPA 1/1

Mac Jones? At least Herbie still a starter

[pejc300]

What about that Desmond Ridder guy?

He lost $20,000...not 1.7 million

[PokeyAndG]

He lost $20,000...not 1.7 million

what about trey lance? i heard that was a huge loss too

[pejc300]

what about trey lance? i heard that was a huge loss too

Nobody spent 1.7 million on Trey Lance.

[Grave252]

His cards still sell for a lot of money but have to think this game is partially a hobby death blow. Herbert has no playoff wins in 5 years, he’s still an above average QB but he’s riding prior hype and I think a lot of people will unload his cards now.

[PokeyAndG]

Nobody spent 1.7 million on Trey Lance.

alright $132k.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

That’s modern day football investing for ya. Guys sell for insane amounts from the word go until they prove you wrong.

[starfox]

1.1 million for the black prizm. Will go down as potentially the worst purchase in football cards history. Or 1.8 million for the NT Shield RPA 1/1Lol. Money would have been given to charity.

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[starfox]

So current day Dan Marino?But Marino has playoff wins and a SB appearance. And an MVP.

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[starfox]

What about that Desmond Ridder guy?He saw what he wanted to see. He needs trifocals.

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[starfox]

Young Joe Flacco with modern day inflated stats.Flacco had playoff wins by the end of year 5, so no.

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[starfox]

What did the Mac Jones Black that kid pulled end up going for?Too much.

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[starfox]

Mac Jones? At least Herbie still a starterAnd that's all you can say. 4 picks today.

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[starfox]

what about trey lance? i heard that was a huge loss tooBut nobody pumps up Lance anymore, in the hobby or out.

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[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Flacco had playoff wins by the end of year 5, so no.

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Just purely from a qb skills perspective. They both have/had big arms that thrive on the deep intermediate routes but that’s it. No touch. His game is very much Flacco esque.

[starfox]

His cards still sell for a lot of money but have to think this game is partially a hobby death blow. Herbert has no playoff wins in 5 years, he’s still an above average QB but he’s riding prior hype and I think a lot of people will unload his cards now.No. Keep them, lol.

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[tjforce]

So current day Dan Marino?

Insulting to Marino..


Marino had 3 All Pro selections, 1 MVP, and 1 Super Bowl appearance by his 4th year. What does Herbert have in 5 years? 1 Pro Bowl and 0 playoff wins

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Marino played in the gritty nfl. Herbert plays in a loose, pass happy league.

[jplarson]

But Marino has playoff wins and a SB appearance. And an MVP.

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Insulting to Marino..


Marino had 3 All Pro selections, 1 MVP, and 1 Super Bowl appearance by his 4th year. What does Herbert have in 5 years? 1 Pro Bowl and 0 playoff wins

Marino played in the gritty nfl. Herbert plays in a loose, pass happy league.

Store brand Dan Marino.

#MontanaIsTheGreatest20thCenturyQB

[Whodatiz]

But Marino has playoff wins and a SB appearance. And an MVP.

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Well yeah, Marino doesn’t play anymore.

[Floridacardguy]

His cards still sell for a lot of money but have to think this game is partially a hobby death blow. Herbert has no playoff wins in 5 years, he’s still an above average QB but he’s riding prior hype and I think a lot of people will unload his cards now.

But is he really "above average"??? Looks pretty average to this point in his career

[starfox]

Well yeah, Marino’s career has ended…Hey, just show off your Herbert cards. Herbert ain't better than Marino. He shows no evidence of being headed that way. He's more like a rich man's Ryan Tannehill. Get it: a rich man's Ryan Tannehill.

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[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Store brand Dan Marino.

#MontanaIsTheGreatest20thCenturyQB

And Marino had sideline to sideline vision with first rate pocket presence. He made all kinds of throws.

Even calling Herbert a store brand version of Marino is generous.

[starfox]

Store brand Dan Marino.



#MontanaIsTheGreatest20thCenturyQBMarino was a top 7 or 8 quarterback all time until SB rings really came into play more in the last 15 years. Herbert has 0 playoff wins. Zeeeeee-roooooo!

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[starfox]

And Marino had sideline to sideline vision with first rate pocket presence. He made all kinds of throws.



Even calling Herbert a store brand version of Marino is generous.I concur. All Marino lacks is a ring. That's all. I'm not a fan, but I must be honest.

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[jplarson]

And Marino had sideline to sideline vision with first rate pocket presence. He made all kinds of throws.

Even calling Herbert a store brand version of Marino is generous.

Great his first 5-6 years, stat compiler after. In the 90s basically premium Drew Bledsoe.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Great his first 5-6 years, stat compiler after. In the 90s basically premium Drew Bledsoe.

Still a top 4 qb in that era. Something herbert isn’t.

[Whodatiz]

Hey, just show off your Herbert cards. Herbert ain't better than Marino. He shows no evidence of being headed that way. He's more like a rich man's Ryan Tannehill. Get it: a rich man's Ryan Tannehill.

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Are you related to FCG?

[starfox]

Are you related to FCG?Are you related to Herbert?

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[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Are you related to FCG?

They both love those deep and intermediate inbreaking routes off Play action. That’s their bread and butter. I can definitely see it.

[tjforce]

Store brand Dan Marino.

#MontanaIsTheGreatest20thCenturyQB

Hey look... I like Herbert. Still has so much potential.

But if there's anything to describe what you need to know about Herbert, it's this:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bT8AAOSwoQJjkquv/s-l1200.jpg

[jplarson]

Hey look... I like Herbert. Still has so much potential.

But if there's anything to describe what you need to know about Herbert, it's this:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bT8AAOSwoQJjkquv/s-l1200.jpg

He has endorsement deals?

Not sure I follow. I'd rather hawk soap than insurance.

[starfox]

Hey look... I like Herbert. Still has so much potential.



But if there's anything to describe what you need to know about Herbert, it's this:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bT8AAOSwoQJjkquv/s-l1200.jpgI don't want that soap. Might make me stink.

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[KhalDrogo]

1.1 million for the black prizm. Will go down as potentially the worst purchase in football cards history. Or 1.8 million for the NT Shield RPA 1/1
Fractor only lost his daddy’s money, so it’s not a big deal.

[razorsharp]

Young Joe Flacco with modern day inflated stats.

Except Herbert still doesn't have a single playoff win.

[Braswell10]

Herbert was flat out awful and was definitely battling demons, but this game showcased the extreme lack of talent the Chargers have on offense.

Aside from McConkey, what else do they have? Dissly played the worst game of his life, Josh Palmer was out, and QJ had 0 catches…

Herbert had no time to throw due to the worst IOL in the game. There’s no excuse for him throwing 4 Picks, but the Chargers outperformed expectations this year. Nobody had them going 11-6.

It’s only year 1 of Jim Harbaugh.

[Siberian13]

Herbert was flat out awful and was definitely battling demons, but this game showcased the extreme lack of talent the Chargers have on offense.

Aside from McConkey, what else do they have? Dissly played the worst game of his life, Josh Palmer was out, and QJ had 0 catches…

Herbert had no time to throw due to the worst IOL in the game. There’s no excuse for him throwing 4 Picks, but the Chargers outperformed expectations this year. Nobody had them going 11-6.

It’s only year 1 of Jim Harbaugh.

Chargers can only get better. But some of those throws were awful. The first one where he was moving right then throws it across his body downfield. That was Jameis stuff. Very bad

[cardozo]

I’ve never have seen it in Herbert, strong arm but that’s about it and with all the talent in the NFL that simply doesn’t suffice.

[Siberian13]

The RG was straight cheeks. 4 INT is bad but one was not his fault. Need to load up talent at oline and skill positions. Curious to see Jim’s offseason strategy.

[Delta5]

Herbert was flat out awful and was definitely battling demons, but this game showcased the extreme lack of talent the Chargers have on offense.

Aside from McConkey, what else do they have? Dissly played the worst game of his life, Josh Palmer was out, and QJ had 0 catches…

Herbert had no time to throw due to the worst IOL in the game. There’s no excuse for him throwing 4 Picks, but the Chargers outperformed expectations this year. Nobody had them going 11-6.

It’s only year 1 of Jim Harbaugh.

year 5 for Herbie tho with nothing to show for it

[starfox]

year 5 for Herbie tho with nothing to show for itAnd this is why I created this post. I'm tired of quarterbacks with no playoff wins, or no playoff wins in years (here's looking at you, Aaron Rodgers), getting a pass. People kill Dak, Lamar, and a couple others. Where's the same heat for guys like Herbert. No: come out with flaming torches and pitchforks. I'm here for it. Or, just show your love by pulling out the Herbert cards you've been hoarding, lol.

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[Braswell10]

Chargers can only get better. But some of those throws were awful. The first one where he was moving right then throws it across his body downfield. That was Jameis stuff. Very bad

Yeah that throw made zero sense. He really never makes throws like that, so I don’t know why he would do something like that now.

It was a real head scratcher. Especially because it was to Johnston who is terrible at catching anything remotely contested.

[Braswell10]

And this is why I created this post. I'm tired of quarterbacks with no playoff wins, or no playoff wins in years (here's looking at you, Aaron Rodgers), getting a pass. People kill Dak, Lamar, and a couple others. Where's the same heat for guys like Herbert. No: come out with flaming torches and pitchforks. I'm here for it. Or, just show your love by pulling out the Herbert cards you've been hoarding, lol.

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People killed Dak and Lamar because they have had stacked teams and haven’t been able to get it done.

In reality, when has Herbert ever went into a season with the expectations of his team having Super Bowl aspirations? I can’t think of one year. He hasn’t had the pieces around him, which is why he may seem to get more of a pass.

No matter how good a QB is, you still need talent around them so that they can flourish. No way around it, he was awful yesterday, but a rookie 2nd round pick having 94% of their yardage is telling of the supreme lack of talent on offense.

[tjforce]

People killed Dak and Lamar because they have had stacked teams and haven’t been able to get it done.

In reality, when has Herbert ever went into a season with the expectations of his team having Super Bowl aspirations? I can’t think of one year. He hasn’t had the pieces around him, which is why he may seem to get more of a pass.

No matter how good a QB is, you still need talent around them so that they can flourish. No way around it, he was awful yesterday, but a rookie 2nd round pick having 94% of their yardage is telling of the supreme lack of talent on offense.

2022 when a lot of folks said they were the favorites to win the AFC West.

They went 10-7 and got dumped out of the first round by Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars.

Also... the Chargers had the NFL's best defense. So I can't hear any excuses when Herbert had the leagues easier hurdle to leap.

[starfox]

People killed Dak and Lamar because they have had stacked teams and haven’t been able to get it done.

In reality, when has Herbert ever went into a season with the expectations of his team having Super Bowl aspirations? I can’t think of one year. He hasn’t had the pieces around him, which is why he may seem to get more of a pass.

No matter how good a QB is, you still need talent around them so that they can flourish. No way around it, he was awful yesterday, but a rookie 2nd round pick having 94% of their yardage is telling of the supreme lack of talent on offense.
Dallas hasn't had a stacked roster the last few years, not with that run defense. Dak was the main reason they had three consecutive 12 - 5 seasons. Ezekiel Elliott hasn't been the same for about four years, and what receiver did opposing defenses fear besides Lamb? Herbert, on the other hand, was the one so many people hate Tua for. These are first round picks, and neither (Herbert and Tua) has a playoff win. Dak was a fourth round pick and has normally masked the team's deficiencies until the 49ers come to town. Dak can't beat the 49ers in the playoffs.
Herbert can't beat anybody in the playoffs. At this point, with the high failure rate of first round quarterbacks, you may as well wait until the third, fourth, or later to draft your guy (it worked for Wilson and Brady). As for Jackson: there's nothing you can say about him. He's about to win a third MVP, and he won last night. That's a lot more than can be said about Herbert. But I'd like to see your Herbert cards, nonetheless. I'm not saying Herbert can't one day get over the hump. I don't even dislike him. But he's 0 - 3 in the playoffs; we need to always remember that. I'd rather have 2 - 4 playoff Dak than 0 - 3 playoff Herbert. But keep believing....

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[Braswell10]

2022 when a lot of folks said they were the favorites to win the AFC West.

They went 10-7 and got dumped out of the first round by Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars.

Also... the Chargers had the NFL's best defense. So I can't hear any excuses when Herbert had the leagues easier hurdle to leap.

The Chargers were not good in 2022. Their defense was leagues worst.

Also…the Chargers had the #1 scoring defense this year but were ranked middle of the pack overall. The defense can’t score points. Again, Ladd is the only thing the Chargers have on offense.

[Braswell10]

Dallas hasn't had a stacked roster the last few years, not with that run defense. Dak was the main reason they had three consecutive 12 - 5 seasons. Ezekiel Elliott hasn't been the same for about four years, and what receiver did opposing defenses fear besides Lamb? Herbert, on the other hand, was the one so many people hate Tua for. These are first round picks, and neither (Herbert and Tua) has a playoff win. Dak was a fourth round pick and has normally masked the team's deficiencies until the 49ers come to town. Dak can't beat the 49ers in the playoffs.
Herbert can't beat anybody in the playoffs. At this point, with the high failure rate of first round quarterbacks, you may as well wait until the third, fourth, or later to draft your guy (it worked for Wilson and Brady). As for Jackson: there's nothing you can say about him. He's about to win a third MVP, and he won last night. That's a lot more than can be said about Herbert. But I'd like to see your Herbert cards, nonetheless. I'm not saying Herbert can't one day get over the hump. I don't even dislike him. But he's 0 - 3 in the playoffs; we need to always remember that. I'd rather have 2 - 4 playoff Dak than 0 - 3 playoff Herbert. But keep believing....

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Are the Cowboys and Ravens better than the Chargers, yes or no?

Since Dak has been in the league, he has had a much better team around him than Herbert.

You can’t compare QBs in a vacuum, you have to look at the pieces around them. Lamar is great, but in addition to him being great, he has a Derrick Henry, he’s had the #1 ranked offense for multiple years, he’s had good defenses.

This was the first year Herbert had a good defense, but it just so happened to be when the offense is the most depleted it has been since he has been in the league.

[starfox]

Are the Cowboys and Ravens better than the Chargers, yes or no?



Since Dak has been in the league, he has had a much better team around him than Herbert.



You can’t compare QBs in a vacuum, you have to look at the pieces around them. Lamar is great, but in addition to him being great, he has a Derrick Henry, he’s had the #1 ranked offense for multiple years, he’s had good defenses.



This was the first year Herbert had a good defense, but it just so happened to be when the offense is the most depleted it has been since he has been in the league.I can't say the Cowboys are today better, but the Ravens definitely are. No matter how you spin it, Herbert has a "0" in the left column concerning wins and losses; that's a problem. And yes: Lamar and Dak are better than Herbert.
Herbert has nothing to stand on. Again: he's not garbage, but he's never gotten the hate Dak and Lamar have gotten. Dak was MVP runner up in 2023; Lamar is about to have 3 MVPs. 2 playoff wins for Dak. 3 playoff wins for Lamar. That's a lot more than 0. Will Herbert finally win 1 next year? He's gotta get 1 before you or anyone supporting him can talk. You have no argument.

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[Braswell10]

I can't say the Cowboys are today better, but the Ravens definitely are. No matter how you spin it, Herbert has a "0" in the left column concerning wins and losses; that's a problem. And yes: Lamar and Dak are better than Herbert.
Herbert has nothing to stand on. Again: he's not garbage, but he's never gotten the hate Dak and Lamar have gotten. Dak was MVP runner up in 2023; Lamar is about to have 3 MVPs. 2 playoff wins for Dak. 3 playoff wins for Lamar. That's a lot more than 0. Will Herbert finally win 1 next year? He's gotta get 1 before you or anyone supporting him can talk. You have no argument.

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Peyton Manning didn’t get a playoff win until his 6th season, Herbert will be fine. They were way ahead of schedule this year. They lost everything they had on offense over the off-season, let’s be realistic.

Nobody is talking about Burrow missing the playoffs when he has had Chase and and Higgins and whoever else on offense. The QB can’t do everything.

Also, hate comes from expectations. The Chargers have never had any expectations like the Cowboys or Ravens have.

[hermanotarjeta]

Peyton Manning didn’t get a playoff win until his 6th season, Herbert will be fine. They were way ahead of schedule this year. They lost everything they had on offense over the off-season, let’s be realistic.

Nobody is talking about Burrow missing the playoffs when he has had Chase and and Higgins and whoever else on offense. The QB can’t do everything.

Also, hate comes from expectations. The Chargers have never had any expectations like the Cowboys or Ravens have.

I agree with the chargers being way ahead of schedule this year.

Look at their offensive weapons - butterfingers, Dissly, and two castaway running backs. Mcdonkey has been their only legitimate offensive threat the entire season.

It was a miracle the chargers made the playoffs at all. Give Herbie 2-3 more seasons to marinate.

[starfox]

Peyton Manning didn’t get a playoff win until his 6th season, Herbert will be fine. They were way ahead of schedule this year. They lost everything they had on offense over the off-season, let’s be realistic.

Nobody is talking about Burrow missing the playoffs when he has had Chase and and Higgins and whoever else on offense. The QB can’t do everything.

Also, hate comes from expectations. The Chargers have never had any expectations like the Cowboys or Ravens have.People were on Burrow's neck, but he has a SB appearance and 5 playoff wins out of 7 games. Plus, he led his team to a SB appearance after suffering a bad knee injury just months before. Burrow earned his "pass."

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[Braswell10]

People were on Burrow's neck, but he has a SB appearance and 5 playoff wins out of 7 games. Plus, he led his team to a SB appearance after suffering a bad knee injury just months before. Burrow earned his "pass."

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Yes I understand that, but what I am trying to say is, a QB can’t earn that pass all on his own. Herbert would kill for a receiver like Chase and even Higgins (which could be a possibility this offseason).

Herbert has done nothing, I agree with you, but even the best QBs will look subpar with no weapons and no running game. Chargers will only get better, they basically did an entire overhaul this past offseason, these things take time.

[hermanotarjeta]

Yes I understand that, but what I am trying to say is, a QB can’t earn that pass all on his own. Herbert would kill for a receiver like Chase and even Higgins (which could be a possibility this offseason).

Herbert has done nothing, I agree with you, but even the best QBs will look subpar with no weapons and no running game. Chargers will only get better, they basically did an entire overhaul this past offseason, these things take time.

Chargers need to get Tyreek.

[Braswell10]

Chargers need to get Tyreek.

Wouldn’t mind that at all. If they grabbed him and then took the TE from Penn State in the 1st round, that would be great for the offense.

[hermanotarjeta]

Wouldn’t mind that at all. If they grabbed him and then took the TE from Penn State in the 1st round, that would be great for the offense.

They also need to get a few more OL and RB.

It’ll take 2-3 years, but Harbaugh will find a way to compete with KC in the near future.

[quackhead]

Peyton Manning didn’t get a playoff win until his 6th season, Herbert will be fine.


Also, Herbert surpassed Manning this season, in total passing yards for the first 5 seasons.


https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-passing-yards-in-first-5-seasons


Sad loss yesterday, but looking forward to next season. Hoping for a good draft too. Go Bolts!

[Braswell10]

Also, Herbert surpassed Manning this season, in total passing yards for the first 5 seasons.


https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-passing-yards-in-first-5-seasons


Sad loss yesterday, but looking forward to next season. Hoping for a good draft too. Go Bolts!

I mean look at that list. He leads those guys in Yards, completion percentage, INT ratio, and more.

Herbert is going to have 10+ more years of quality football, his story is far from finished.

[jplarson]

Herbert is going to have 10+ more years of quality football, his story is far from finished.

Agreed.

Year 1 of a Harbaugh retool and they still made the playoffs.

[starfox]

He's even saying it. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250113/7a45c9ce73d6af7adc78c8ff7af74d37.jpg

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[2010GBPackers]

A lot of feelings in this thread! :cry:

[HBMC]

Aside from McConkey, what else do they have? Dissly played the worst game of his life, Josh Palmer was out, and QJ had 0 catches…



Quentin Johnston feels/plays like Temu Mike Williams.


Also... the Chargers had the NFL's best defense.

Statistically, yes, but those numbers were built upon slapping around flaming sacks of dog crap offenses all season long.

[no10pin]

McConkey looks like he's going to be their Cooper Kupp or Puka Nacua. Dude is going to get 15 targets a game for good reason.

Yesterday wasn't a great day for Herbert, but he's still pretty young. Arguably the top 4 names at QB are in the AFC, so he doesn't get a ton of attention nationally yet.

[jacksonjj]

I don't put all the blame on Herbert, only 2 picks were that bad and the whole offense is incompetent.

The front office pushed Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and Austin Ekeler out the door because they were "old" and "washed" and didn't want to pay them even market value.

Going younger isn't always a good thing. I'm not sure why teams are obsessed with it, and the proof is in the pudding.

[dbpsooner]

I don't put all the blame on Herbert, only 2 picks were that bad and the whole offense is incompetent.

The front office pushed Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and Austin Ekeler out the door because they were "old" and "washed" and didn't want to pay them even market value.

Going younger isn't always a good thing. I'm not sure why teams are obsessed with it, and the proof is in the pudding.

They knew they were not competing for a title this year. Going younger was the right thing to do given their circumstances.

[jacksonjj]

They knew they were not competing for a title this year. Going younger was the right thing to do given their circumstances.

There's only 4-5 teams each year who realistically have a chance to compete for a title. What young and explosive playmakers are going to mature next year to get Herbie and co over the hump?

[dbpsooner]

There's only 4-5 teams each year who realistically have a chance to compete for a title. What young and explosive playmakers are going to mature next year to get Herbie and co over the hump?

Certainly not Mike Williams, Keenan Allen or Austin Ekler.

[BigL7370]

Because they gave the franchise player an extension, they figure they didn’t have to pay a premium for production, younger guys can probably match just by law of analytics.

Herbert had one guy do just that this past year - now the Chargers need at least two more to develop fast.

[boxbuster7]

Herbert had a great season

I'm still bullish on him

[tjforce]

Herbert had a great season

I'm still bullish on him

Hobby wise or football player wise?

[Braswell10]

They knew they were not competing for a title this year. Going younger was the right thing to do given their circumstances.

That is true, but Herbert is still going to take the blame because he is the QB making big money that hasnt done anything yet.

Herbert had a hell of a season, all things considered, but when teams really lock in during the playoffs, there is just nothing you can do when you are that outmatched.

[Braswell10]

Hobby wise or football player wise?

Hobby wise he should definitely take a hit. Could be a good opportunity to buy if people really do sell off.

I have a feeling most people holding Herbert weren't expecting some sort of deep playoff run this year though.

[tjforce]

Hobby wise he should definitely take a hit. Could be a good opportunity to buy if people really do sell off.

I have a feeling most people holding Herbert weren't expecting some sort of deep playoff run this year though.

Yeah... the downside with operating in Harbaugh's offense is that I don't know if he's ever going to air out again like did with Staley.

His path to being a hobby star might be Super Bowls... which is a tough thing to do.

[boxbuster7]

Hobby wise or football player wise?

more so football player - but if his cards drop enough I'll look to add something nice

[f2tornado]

more so football player - but if his cards drop enough I'll look to add something nice

He's no bum. Just a terrible playoff game where he threw more picks than the previous 17 games combined. Cards will likely take a dip, especially lower end stuff that will tilt toward 50 cent and dollar boxes. Ample room for a bump down the road. Worst case scenario is probably Derek Carr who was good but couldn't bring home the trophy.

[Bosoxfan5990]

He's no bum. Just a terrible playoff game where he threw more picks than the previous 17 games combined. Cards will likely take a dip, especially lower end stuff that will tilt toward 50 cent and dollar boxes. Ample room for a bump down the road. Worst case scenario is probably Derek Carr who was good but couldn't bring home the trophy.

Derek Carr is a bum.

[ThatGuyPal]

Allen 2.0 will always get a pass because he's a "good quarterback" and can lead team to playoff, just never finish.

[f2tornado]

Derek Carr is a bum.

That seems harsh, but if we agree he's a bum, his rookie cards still sell and it's not Gary V buying them all.

The Herbert dilemma is there's going to be a lot of traffic winning the AFC title with Burrow, Allen, Mahomes, Jackson plus the up and commers. He could be the forgotten one from that crowd. The NFL can change quickly however and I'm a buyer if they're in a bargain bin.

[boxbuster7]

But Vegas Dave told me Derek Carr was a sure investment

[starfox]

Herbert is not a bum, but he sure gets the least criticism of all the quarterbacks. I've said it time and again: he looks good losing. Sunday, he looked bad losing. Nobody talks about the talent other quarterbacks lack, just Herbert and Allen for the most part. Then, when they play well for half a season, they're headed for GOAT status.
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[Delta5]

Allen 2.0 will always get a pass because he's a "good quarterback" and can lead team to playoff, just never finish.

Excuse me, Allen always perform in the playoff

[Siberian13]

Excuse me, Allen always perform in the playoff

Think his only real bad game in the playoffs was against the Bengals?

[jcp2]

Hobby wise he should definitely take a hit. Could be a good opportunity to buy if people really do sell off.

I have a feeling most people holding Herbert weren't expecting some sort of deep playoff run this year though.

I started nibbling on Herbert as soon as Harbough was hired. THey will be fine. Their offense is literally a qb, two OT's and a slot receiver. They need 2 more drafts to build up this team.

[JWBlue]

Harbaugh said a few weeks ago he wants to get Herbert into the HOF.

2022 Herbert is back.

[hermanotarjeta]

Harbaugh said a few weeks ago he wants to get Herbert into the HOF.

2022 Herbert is back.

He’s too talented to be ignored.

[Hellcat]

3 touchdowns and out played Kermit nice start!

[rmc1967]

Herbert is top 8 QB

[quackhead]

He's a pretty good chess player too


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[JWBlue]

Owner of the NT Shield 1/1 RC :

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[ninjacookies]

Herbie HODLers live look.

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Been an absolute Marino Machine since chopping the Fabio locks.

Primero en QBR.

Also the best looking QB in the afc by a country mile. No diddy.

Like a shock jock Ryan Reynolds with assburgers.


Grats to everyone that weathered the hobby hurricane.

[quackhead]

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[JohnnyHatesJazz]

......does he get a pass now? Treat him just like you treat Dak and Lamar. Hold on: at least Dak and Lamar have multiple playoff wins. So you can't even treat him like them. Herbert supporters: come out!

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Harbaugh has to be regretting his decision to align with such a choker like Herbert.

Both Harbaughs aligned themselves with chokers.

[ninjacookies]

Herbie HODLers live look.

https://i.gifer.com/Tfm3.gif

Been an absolute Marino Machine since chopping the Fabio locks.

Primero en QBR.

Also the best looking QB in the afc by a country mile. No diddy.

Like a shock jock Ryan Reynolds with assburgers.


Grats to everyone that weathered the hobby hurricane.

Best 15 minutes of my life.


Should have never chopped the Fabio locks. Now he just presents as a typical stock broker normie.

[trixstar]

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Cya next year Justin

[blackvodka]

Harbaugh has to be regretting his decision to align with such a choker like Herbert.



Both Harbaughs aligned themselves with chokers.It's unfortunate the coaches end up taking the blame for QB's that completely just can't step up and deliver in the postseason.

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[Asian62150]

Hope his O-Line can keep him upright next season. Otherwise he might take Luck's route and retire early. Not really a Chargers fan, but it's nice to see QBs at least have a chance to live up to their potential.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

It's unfortunate the coaches end up taking the blame for QB's that completely just can't step up and deliver in the postseason.

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That's why McVay deserves a TON of credit. He knew he had a choker like Goff and pulled the trigger on another guy. Stafford is more talented than Goff and McVay knew he needed a fresh start to see if he could win with him instead of continuing with somebody he knows wasn't going to work out.

[Asian62150]

That's why McVay deserves a TON of credit. He knew he had a choker like Goff and pulled the trigger on another guy. Stafford is more talented than Goff and McVay knew he needed a fresh start to see if he could win with him instead of continuing with somebody he knows wasn't going to work out.

Not really the same situation though. I think at the time of the trade, Goff was a considered maybe like a top 15-20 QB? It was easy to see that Stafford was way better than Goff.

Herbert is considered a top 10, maybe even a top 5 QB by some just based on talent. You put Stafford behind that Chargers O-Line and he isn't throwing 40+ TDs this year.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Not really the same situation though. I think at the time of the trade, Goff was a considered maybe like a top 15-20 QB? It was easy to see that Stafford was way better than Goff.

Herbert is considered a top 10, maybe even a top 5 QB by some just based on talent. You put Stafford behind that Chargers O-Line and he isn't throwing 40+ TDs this year.

That's true but they did go to a Super Bowl with Goff and he is younger than Stafford. You rarely see those kinds of trades in the NFL.

I don't think it would have mattered much if Herbert didn't have key injuries to his line, healthy line or not healthy line, I have seen enough of him to see that he's just not the guy who's going to step up in the playoffs. Harbaugh can't save him.

[Floridacardguy]

What is Herbert’s record in playoffs?

[Jeter1020]

What is Herbert’s record in playoffs?


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[jhssketchcards]

Matthew Stafford is a goo point of reference here for Herbert fans.
Look how long Stafford lamented in Detroit, and eventually got a SB after switching teams (and conferences). It may take a new city for Herbert if the front office doesn’t give him more weapons.


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[hermanotarjeta]

What is Herbert’s record in playoffs?

Pretty much on par for an organization that has been to the Super Bowl only once, and that was like thirty years ago.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Matthew Stafford is a goo point of reference here for Herbert fans.
Look how long Stafford lamented in Detroit, and eventually got a SB after switching teams (and conferences). It may take a new city for Herbert if the front office doesn’t give him more weapons.


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How many more weapons does he need?

[tjforce]

How many more weapons does he need?

Early in his career he had prime Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and Austin Ekler.


Still won zero playoff games.

[BostonNut]

Brad Pitt could have put up a better performance.

[boxbuster7]

can't even really fault herbert for this. Harbaugh might be a great defensive coach but he has no offense. Literally. I watched a lot of charger games this year where the score was 6-3 at halftime or something similar.

On a side note rough season for the 2020 class.

[hermanotarjeta]

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Peyton Manning started with the same record.

He had 1 TD and 2 INT in those three games.

[ajlaxmn]

That game was a lot on herbs, missed a lot of throws, however the offense in general, mainly because of the OL and play calling, was just stale.

They have the defense. Need the interior OL to be fixed this offseason. Dude is a gamer QB, three playoff games isn’t changing that for me, not everyone is mahomes or Allen.

Guy played professional football with a broken hand while most of his criticizers would call out sick to work over sniffles.

He didn’t play good last night. Dude is still a great QB.

On to next season.


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[JohnnyHatesJazz]

That game was a lot on herbs, missed a lot of throws, however the offense in general, mainly because of the OL and play calling, was just stale.

They have the defense. Need the interior OL to be fixed this offseason. Dude is a gamer QB, three playoff games isn’t changing that for me, not everyone is mahomes or Allen.

Guy played professional football with a broken hand while most of his criticizers would call out sick to work over sniffles.

He didn’t play good last night. Dude is still a great QB.

On to next season.


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[livfreely]

For the life of me I cannot figure out why they didn’t run more slant plays for the receivers. Whenever you have no time to throw, RUN the slant!!! Pick up 4yrds and repeat. The defense has to adjust and drop that 5th man they were rushing to the middle of the field


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[JohnnyHatesJazz]

It looks like Mike McDaniel is Herbie’s new QB whisperer.

I would like to personally thank all these top notch coaches for flocking to the AFC West and making it harder for Mahomes to catch Tom in Super Bowl rings. They have done a splendid job so far.

[Jeter1020]

It looks like Mike McDaniel is Herbie’s new QB whisperer.

I would like to personally thank all these top notch coaches for flocking to the AFC West and making it harder for Mahomes to catch Tom in Super Bowl rings. They have done a splendid job so far.


It’s now or never for Herbert


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[trixstar]

Think this will be good for both the Chargers and Mcdaniels.