🏈 🏈 🏈 2025 NFL Playoffs Conference Round Thread 🏈 🏈 🏈

[JWBlue]

NFC

Washington Commanders at Philadelphia Eagles

When : Jan. 26 at 3 p.m. EST
Television : Fox
Opening Betting Lines : Side - Philadelphia (- 4.5), Total - 48

AFC

Buffalo Bills at Kansas City Chiefs

When : Jan. 26 at 6:30 p.m. EST
Television : CBS
Opening Betting Lines : Side - Kansas City (-1.5) , Total - 48.5

[JWBlue]

Commanders shock the Eagles

[codered]

Super bowl 26 rematch!!

Washington over Philly - Thought the line would be bigger for Philly though.

Bills over the cakes and the refs

[cdub6238]

Looks like Vegas has a "slight" lean towards Buffalo..

Home field is "usually" 3 points baked in...currently KC -1.5

[Bosoxfan5990]

Commanders/Eagles poop game of the week.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Road to 17-0 on pause this week.

[the mesiah]

Wash < Philly



BUFFALO >>>>>>> kc

[Siberian13]

Buffalo/Philly. I want Buffalo/Wash

[Siberian13]

NFC

Washington Commanders at Philadelphia Eagles

When : Jan. 26 at 3 p.m. EST
Television : Fox
Betting Line : Philadelphia - 4.5

AFC

Buffalo Bills at Kansas City Chiefs

When : Jan. 26 at 6:30 p.m. EST
Television : CBS
Betting Line :

Says KC -1.5

[JWBlue]

Surprised the number of people on Buffalo. Looks like I am putting money on KC.

[tjforce]

If this last round showed us anything, it's that whoever takes care of the ball the best in these games wins.

That'll probably be the difference this round as well, assuming Hurts' knee is okay

[mc1]

Super bowl 26 rematch!!

Washington over Philly - Thought the line would be bigger for Philly though.



Both lines are pretty much the same as Wash @ Phi in November 2024 and Buf @ KC in December 2023.

[ninjacookies]

I so want the Commanders to take this. I really do. But this will be Jayden in Philly in the freezing cold...and a defense that bends but doesn't break.

I think Eagles squeeze it out. The wildcard will be which Hurts shows up. He's been doing just enough with minimal passing volume while Saquon shoulders the offensive load. If it turns into a shootout I think that could be very bad for Philly.


As for the AFC....

death
taxes


...ya'll know the rest.

[JWBlue]

All remaining teams strength of schedule ranked lower than 20. Interesting Eagles wasn't that much better than the Commanders.

2024 Strength of Schedule :

21. Kansas City Chiefs - .488

t-27. Buffalo Bills - .467

30. Philadelphia Eagles - .453

31. Washington Commanders - .436

[Delta5]

All remaining teams strength of schedule ranked lower than 20. Interesting Eagles wasn't that much better than the Commanders.

2024 Strength of Schedule :

21. Kansas City Chiefs - .488

t-27. Buffalo Bills - .467

30. Philadelphia Eagles - .453

31. Washington Commanders - .436

Makes you wonder that strength of schedule is an overrated metrics. You play whoever you are supposed to. Ravens choking against raiders and browns costed them homefield advantage and possibly this game. Every team would choose to play raiders 17x than playing chiefs bills ravens

[Siberian13]

Makes you wonder that strength of schedule is an overrated metrics. You play whoever you are supposed to. Ravens choking against raiders and browns costed them homefield advantage and possibly this game. Every team would choose to play raiders 17x than playing chiefs bills ravens

Then you have SOV. :)

KC.463
BUF .448
PHI .424
WAS .358

[Delta5]

Then you have SOV. :)

KC.463
BUF .448
PHI .424
WAS .358

All I know is, next week Mahomes going to say "Now go get one champ." to Allen

[Siberian13]

All I know is, next week Mahomes going to say "Now go get one champ." to Allen

It does feel like the AFC championship is the real Super Bowl this year. It’s the matchup we all want to see. It’s like when Brady/Manning met in the playoffs or regular season.

[Delta5]

It does feel like the AFC championship is the real Super Bowl this year. It’s the matchup we all want to see. It’s like when Brady/Manning met in the playoffs or regular season.

Brady had 3 SB too before Manning finally able to beat him. Buffalo is red hot and defense starting to show up. I like ou chances

[EBCollectibles]

Looks like Vegas has a "slight" lean towards Buffalo..

Home field is "usually" 3 points baked in...currently KC -1.5

Home Field 3 and the refs 7 so KC-8.5

[EBCollectibles]

Can we get Vegas to put a wager on: I want some of this action::flex::flex:

Illegal Contact on Buffalo on 3rd Down

Pass Interference on Buffalo on 3rd Down

Personal Foul Roughing the Passer on Buffalo

[Delta5]

Can we get Vegas to put a wager on: I want some of this action::flex::flex:

Illegal Contact on Buffalo on 3rd Down

Pass Interference on Buffalo on 3rd Down

Personal Foul Roughing the Passer on Buffalo

I want "Mahomes flopping like a fish" prop

[hairysasquatch]

Home Field 3 and the refs 7 so KC-8.5

This guy maths.

[Delta5]

This guy maths.

Bills are favored by 1.5 points on neutral field and neutral ref

[BostonNut]

O/U on a "devastating" Mahomes ankle "injury" in the first half?

[blackbears86]

My picks:


Commanders @ Eagles
If the weather is lousy (snow/rain): I say Eagles in a close one with Barkley shouldering the load.
No bad weather: Commanders. I don't trust Hurts right now and the commanders are on a roll.


Bills @ Chiefs: Another heart breaker for Bills fans. Chiefs by 3.



Chiefs then go on to a three peat.

[Floridacardguy]

Because I just want to see something totally different, hoping for Commanders vs Bills

[patchgenie]

rooting for the bills. refs probably thinking of new fake calls for the chiefs.

[JRX]

rooting for the bills. refs probably thinking of new fake calls for the chiefs.

Yep, it will likely be Refs vs Eagles, but I think Washington has a good chance. League wants a team going for 3 peat plus Taylor Swift and all the other nonsense that goes with it.

[Floridacardguy]

Breaking News- The Bills were just called for a roughing the passer penalty in advance of next weekend's game against the Chiefs :cry:

[kyle1707]

Love to see Daniels as a Rc and anyone but tay tay cc Kermit and clunky Kelce

The kc fatigue is so real

I just don’t know if the refs and nfl will allow anyone else to be in the Super Bowl ?

[Fenway55]

I don’t understand the poll question, asking who the Suoer Bowl matchup is…. The Super Bowl is this Sunday, with the KC Chiefs hosting the Buffalo Bills.

[blackbears86]

Breaking News- The Bills were just called for a roughing the passer penalty in advance of next weekend's game against the Chiefs :cry:



Funny but not funny.

Fingers crossed the game is not decided by the refs, but somehow, I have a feeling it might be.

[Fenway55]

Breaking News- The Bills were just called for a roughing the passer penalty in advance of next weekend's game against the Chiefs :cry:”Personal foul, roughing the passer, number 54 of Buffalo.”

“Sir, all I did was call heads….”

[blackbears86]

Love to see Daniels as a Rc and anyone but tay tay cc Kermit and clunky Kelce

The kc fatigue is so real

I just don’t know if the refs and nfl will allow anyone else to be in the Super Bowl ?





Like I said in another post, I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, but when I see Patty get two borderline RTP calls in his game, then I watch Lamar Jackson get clearly tackled OOB last night with no call, I get doubtful.


The NFL needs to be consistent. And these kinds of calls should be able to be challenged.

[escapegoat]

like the texans said postgame, it was them vs everybody .. and the bills will face the same thing.

im not ready for siriani to get a sb yet lol so go commanders!

[2dueces]

Breaking News- The Bills were just called for a roughing the passer penalty in advance of next weekend's game against the Chiefs :cry:

And a defensive holding on Patty’s first interception

[Fenway55]

Like I said in another post, I'm not a conspiracy theory guy, but when I see Patty get two borderline RTP calls in his game, then I watch Lamar Jackson get clearly tackled OOB last night with no call, I get doubtful. 4 games this past weekend. 8 quarterbacks.

Patty was the only one roughed. And they called it twice. It is absolutely amazing how teams just don't rough any QBs but Patty. :doh::doh::doh:

[tjforce]

I'm amazed that people could have watched that Bills game yesterday, saw the "pass interference" that got them inside the 10, saw the hits they got away with on Lamar, and saw that they only had 1 penalty called on them the entire game, know that Josh Allen has 7 more Roughing the Passer calls in his career than Mahomes (38 to 31 in 800 LESS passing attempts) and are here saying "Refs about the screw over the Bills".

The Chiefs and Mahomes have seriously broken you people. Your brain has been compromised by tiktok clips and clickbait, and you've either lost or never had the ability to objectively look at information and come to a reasonable conclusion. And I feel bad, because it's taking away focus from the 98% of the game that actually matters.

-The 4 teams that led to total yards this weekends lost
-The 4 teams that won didn't turn the ball over at all
-The 4 teams that won are the top 4 teams in 4th down efficiency this season

That was the story of this weekend. The teams that won were the ones that made fewer mistakes and executed better. And it's the same thing that'll make the difference next week. So there's your story and where the conversation should be.... unless your just a rube who's too broken to see that.

[Siberian13]

The best thing for the nfl is to have a drama free game by the refs. This big matchup should be all about the teams/players. This should be great tv. Most anticipated game of the year. We all knew this would be the afc championship game.

[DMACcollector]

Saquon just too much for Washington.

Bills do something few defenses care to do. Cover #87 and make someone else beat you.

Eagles vs Bills in the SB.

[JeremyNick]

I'm amazed that people could have watched that Bills game yesterday, saw the "pass interference" that got them inside the 10, saw the hits they got away with on Lamar, and saw that they only had 1 penalty called on them the entire game, know that Josh Allen has 7 more Roughing the Passer calls in his career than Mahomes (38 to 31 in 800 LESS passing attempts) and are here saying "Refs about the screw over the Bills".

The Chiefs and Mahomes have seriously broken you people. Your brain has been compromised by tiktok clips and clickbait, and you've either lost or never had the ability to objectively look at information and come to a reasonable conclusion. And I feel bad, because it's taking away focus from the 98% of the game that actually matters.

-The 4 teams that led to total yards this weekends lost
-The 4 teams that won didn't turn the ball over at all
-The 4 teams that won are the top 4 teams in 4th down efficiency this season

That was the story of this weekend. The teams that won were the ones that made fewer mistakes and executed better. And it's the same thing that'll make the difference next week. So there's your story and where the conversation should be.... unless your just a rube who's too broken to see that.

Why are you so mad?

You have a fluffy, comfortable space in the PattyCakes thread. Just hang out there. I feel like the Mahomies and the Mahaters just need to respect each others separate space before all of you suffer an inevitable stroke.

This place is already on its last legs.

[blackbears86]

Why are you so mad?

You have a fluffy, comfortable space in the PattyCakes thread. Just hang out there. I feel like the Mahomies and the Mahaters just need to respect each others separate space before all of you suffer an inevitable stroke.

This place is already on its last legs.



I am tempted to put out a poll with the question being. "Are the refs biased for the Chiefs?" But it would likely quickly to evolve into name calling.

[blackbears86]

The best thing for the nfl is to have a drama free game by the refs. This big matchup should be all about the teams/players. This should be great tv. Most anticipated game of the year. We all knew this would be the afc championship game.



I think who ever wins this game will likely win the super bowl

[majestik101]

I want an all Indian Bowl. Chiefs versus Skins. Although part of me wants to see Philly play the Chiefs so I can see LCM go unhinged on the refs

[gomiamigo]

Looks like Vegas has a "slight" lean towards Buffalo..

Home field is "usually" 3 points baked in...currently KC -1.5

HFA is actually down to 2-2.5 according to sharps these days, fwiw.

[gomiamigo]

Currently 10-0 picking winners this postseason, Div round picks posted in that thread.

Eagles, assuming Hurts' health so will wait on that before placing,
and
Kansas City Referees.

Sorry, Bills!

[chompie99]

I'm amazed that people could have watched that Bills game yesterday, saw the "pass interference" that got them inside the 10, saw the hits they got away with on Lamar, and saw that they only had 1 penalty called on them the entire game, know that Josh Allen has 7 more Roughing the Passer calls in his career than Mahomes (38 to 31 in 800 LESS passing attempts) and are here saying "Refs about the screw over the Bills".

The Chiefs and Mahomes have seriously broken you people. Your brain has been compromised by tiktok clips and clickbait, and you've either lost or never had the ability to objectively look at information and come to a reasonable conclusion. And I feel bad, because it's taking away focus from the 98% of the game that actually matters.

-The 4 teams that led to total yards this weekends lost
-The 4 teams that won didn't turn the ball over at all
-The 4 teams that won are the top 4 teams in 4th down efficiency this season

That was the story of this weekend. The teams that won were the ones that made fewer mistakes and executed better. And it's the same thing that'll make the difference next week. So there's your story and where the conversation should be.... unless your just a rube who's too broken to see that.

Mike Perreira, retired NFL official said today to Rich Eisen that the people who think the refs are in the Chiefs pocket think that “because they don’t know a damn thing about officiating”. Interesting interview.

https://youtu.be/SY2IuRqvhvg?si=_7Ml6HQWtz6iG5e7

[Siberian13]

The Chiefs are 6-5 when Cete Blakeman is officiating. It won’t be his full crew as its’s mixed crew due to playoffs.

Blakeman's crews called 252 penalties in 16 games, the highest penalty totals in the NFL this season.

Top 5 Most Penalties by Crew:
Clete Blakeman: 252 penalties/2128 yards/289 flags
Craig Wrolstad: 252/2092/302
Ron Torbert: 235/1958/285
Alex Kemp: 231/1898/265
Shawn Hochuli: 221/1811/274


Shawn Hochuli will calling the Eagles game.

[Delta5]

The Chiefs are 6-5 when Cete Blakeman is officiating. It won’t be his full crew as its’s mixed crew due to playoffs.

Blakeman's crews called 252 penalties in 16 games, the highest penalty totals in the NFL this season.

Top 5 Most Penalties by Crew:
Clete Blakeman: 252 penalties/2128 yards/289 flags
Craig Wrolstad: 252/2092/302
Ron Torbert: 235/1958/285
Alex Kemp: 231/1898/265
Shawn Hochuli: 221/1811/274


Shawn Hochuli will calling the Eagles game.

Bring it on, let the whole world see

[blackbears86]

Mike Perreira, retired NFL official said today to Rich Eisen that the people who think the refs are in the Chiefs pocket think that “because they don’t know a damn thing about officiating”. Interesting interview.

https://youtu.be/SY2IuRqvhvg?si=_7Ml6HQWtz6iG5e7





Like I said in the Chiefs thread, there's reality (the refs are not biased for the Chiefs) and there's perception. (they are)


With the exception of the KC fans, pretty much everyone else thinks the refs are in the Chiefs back pocket. (they are some outliers)


Perreira having to go on the Rich Eisen show to refute ref bias clearly shows that. What was the biggest sports headline this week after the general game discussion? The refs. All the national sports shows have discussed it this week.


Do I think the refs are in Patty's back pocket? NO, but that's not the opinion of many sports fans in this country right now, and that's the problem with the NFL.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Like I said in the Chiefs thread, there's reality (the refs are not biased for the Chiefs) and there's perception. (they are)


With the exception of the KC fans, pretty much everyone else thinks the refs are in the Chiefs back pocket. (they are some outliers)


Perreira having to go on the Rich Eisen show to refute ref bias clearly shows that. What was the biggest sports headline this week after the general game discussion? The refs. All the national sports shows have discussed it this week.


Do I think the refs are in Patty's back pocket? NO, but that's not the opinion of many sports fans in this country right now, and that's the problem with the NFL.

Yet they'll all still watch.

[2010GBPackers]

Bills < Chiefs - It definitely feels like it's Buffalo's time, but Reid, Spags, and Mahomes have that voodoo magic. It's close, but another heartbreaker for the Bills. A loss here would be devastating for Allen and the Bills. If they lose here, the pressure will be soooo great in the following years, that it could prevent him from ever reaching his potential.

Commanders > Eagles - It'll be 40 and partly sunny: which favors WASH. If it were cold, rainy, or something like that, I'd be all over Philly, but Washington's offense will be too much for the Eagles who won't be able to keep up with their lackluster passing game. Will J. Daniels be the first rookie to win the SB??

[chompie99]

Like I said in the Chiefs thread, there's reality (the refs are not biased for the Chiefs) and there's perception. (they are)


With the exception of the KC fans, pretty much everyone else thinks the refs are in the Chiefs back pocket. (they are some outliers)


Perreira having to go on the Rich Eisen show to refute ref bias clearly shows that. What was the biggest sports headline this week after the general game discussion? The refs. All the national sports shows have discussed it this week.


Do I think the refs are in Patty's back pocket? NO, but that's not the opinion of many sports fans in this country right now, and that's the problem with the NFL.

In the age of social media, perception may easily become a false reality. And since the currency of social media is outrage, the result is spending more time on those platforms. That’s the true gaslighting being done here.

[Fenway55]

Yet they'll all still watch.Not this year. So far, an awful lot of people have tuned out. None of us here in this forum are going to tune out, but the NFL has lost a lot of casuals compared to last year.

[Re2pect]

Bills < Chiefs - It definitely feels like it's Buffalo's time, but Reid, Spags, and Mahomes have that voodoo magic. It's close, but another heartbreaker for the Bills. A loss here would be devastating for Allen and the Bills. If they lose here, the pressure will be soooo great in the following years, that it could prevent him from ever reaching his potential.

Commanders > Eagles - It'll be 40 and partly sunny: which favors WASH. If it were cold, rainy, or something like that, I'd be all over Philly, but Washington's offense will be too much for the Eagles who won't be able to keep up with their lackluster passing game. Will J. Daniels be the first rookie to win the SB??

Not with you on the Bills point. They need to get over the hump, but this was a rebuilding year in which the talking heads and peers counted them out. Just another measure of disrespect to Allen. Would be great to see him overcome!!

[JRX]

Didn't they already announce the ref that swapped jerseys with Mahomes is doing the super bowl?

[Jaysabz]

Bills < Chiefs - It definitely feels like it's Buffalo's time, but Reid, Spags, and Mahomes have that voodoo magic. It's close, but another heartbreaker for the Bills. A loss here would be devastating for Allen and the Bills. If they lose here, the pressure will be soooo great in the following years, that it could prevent him from ever reaching his potential.

Commanders > Eagles - It'll be 40 and partly sunny: which favors WASH. If it were cold, rainy, or something like that, I'd be all over Philly, but Washington's offense will be too much for the Eagles who won't be able to keep up with their lackluster passing game. Will J. Daniels be the first rookie to win the SB??

The Eagles and Commanders played twice this year.

Each won in their own building.

In Week 11, Eagles (home) beat the Commanders (away) 26-18.

In Week 17, Jalen Hurts went down with a concussion 11 plays into the game. Kenny Pickett played the rest of the game. The Commander's won after scoring with six seconds left after a great drive by the Commanders, for a 36-33 final.

You say that the Eagles passing game is lackluster. It's true that the numbers aren't jaw-dropping, but their philosophy all year has been to grind it out, run, wear out the defensive lines, run the clock, and pounce on the defenses in the second half when they are gassed. They've been saying - just because the Eagles haven't been throwing the ball much doesn't mean they can't. Especially when they are holding leads.

Eagles also will have home-field advantage, something I'm not sure that you may have thought of but didn't cite in your game analyses.

Further, the Eagles had the #1 overall total defense this year. The two teams the Commanders beat to get to the NFC Championship game were the Bucs (18th overall total defense) and Lions (20th overall total defense).

Should be a fun watch. Even though I'm an Eagles fan, there's nothing I can do to effect the outcome of the game, so I just have to watch and hope for a win, and if that doesn't happen, give props to Washington and wish them luck in the Super Bowl!

[Bosoxfan5990]

Not this year. So far, an awful lot of people have tuned out. None of us here in this forum are going to tune out, but the NFL has lost a lot of casuals compared to last year.

Are there numbers to back this up?

[2010GBPackers]

Not with you on the Bills point. They need to get over the hump, but this was a rebuilding year in which the talking heads and peers counted them out. Just another measure of disrespect to Allen. Would be great to see him overcome!!

You're right, they weren't expected to do this this year, but here we are. Letting another opportunity slip away (especially after beating the Chiefs in the regular season) would be a mental mind F. I truly believe in the accumulation of missed chances having a negative effect over time. It also works the other way, and multiple positive results leads to mental freedom, which in turn produces more, positive results - i.e. the Chiefs.

The Eagles and Commanders played twice this year.

Each won in their own building.

In Week 11, Eagles (home) beat the Commanders (away) 26-18.

In Week 17, Jalen Hurts went down with a concussion 11 plays into the game. Kenny Pickett played the rest of the game. The Commander's won after scoring with six seconds left after a great drive by the Commanders, for a 36-33 final.

You say that the Eagles passing game is lackluster. It's true that the numbers aren't jaw-dropping, but their philosophy all year has been to grind it out, run, wear out the defensive lines, run the clock, and pounce on the defenses in the second half when they are gassed. They've been saying - just because the Eagles haven't been throwing the ball much doesn't mean they can't. Especially when they are holding leads.

Eagles also will have home-field advantage, something I'm not sure that you may have thought of but didn't cite in your game analyses.

Further, the Eagles had the #1 overall total defense this year. The two teams the Commanders beat to get to the NFC Championship game were the Bucs (18th overall total defense) and Lions (20th overall total defense).

Should be a fun watch. Even though I'm an Eagles fan, there's nothing I can do to effect the outcome of the game, so I just have to watch and hope for a win, and if that doesn't happen, give props to Washington and wish them luck in the Super Bowl!

I understand your rationale, but there are just too many examples of teams getting hot at the end of the season, into the playoffs, and then win the SB. Without really looking too much further, you have the 2007 NY Giants, 2010 Packers, 2011 NY Giants, 2020 Buccaneers, 2021 LA Rams. The Commanders can keep pace, offensively, with anyone in the league and have an underrated defense. The recipe is there.

[Jaysabz]

I understand your rationale, but there are just too many examples of teams getting hot at the end of the season, into the playoffs, and then win the SB. Without really looking too much further, you have the 2007 NY Giants, 2010 Packers, 2011 NY Giants, 2020 Buccaneers, 2021 LA Rams. The Commanders can keep pace, offensively, with anyone in the league and have an underrated defense. The recipe is there.

Agreed.

Per Pro Football Reference, here were the betting odds at the beginning of this year's preseason. Bolded teams are still alive:

Kansas City Chiefs +500
San Francisco 49ers +600
Baltimore Ravens +1000
Philadelphia Eagles +1200
Detroit Lions +1200
Cincinnati Bengals +1300
Houston Texans +1600
Green Bay Packers +1600
Buffalo Bills +1600
New York Jets +2000
Dallas Cowboys +2000
Miami Dolphins +2500
Los Angeles Rams +3000
Atlanta Falcons +3000
Chicago Bears +3500
Los Angeles Chargers +4000
Cleveland Browns +4000
Pittsburgh Steelers +5000
Jacksonville Jaguars +5000
Seattle Seahawks +6600
Tampa Bay Buccaneers +8000
Indianapolis Colts +8000
New Orleans Saints +10000
Minnesota Vikings +10000
Arizona Cardinals +12500
Washington Commanders +15000
Tennessee Titans +15000
Las Vegas Raiders +15000
Denver Broncos +15000
New York Giants +20000
Carolina Panthers +25000
New England Patriots +30000

I know we have pro sports betting in most states now through apps on our phones - but back before that whenever I'd be in Vegas and if I was up a couple 100 I'd usually put a $100 futures bet on a longshot Philly team.

Wonder if there's any Commander's fans with a $100 ticket that'll pay $15,000 if the Commander's win the Super Bowl - and what do you do if you have one? Do you cash out now, be happy with the money and if the Commanders do win it all, it's a cherry on top, or do you go for it all - $15,000 + a Super Bowl win or $0 and a NFC Championship or Super Bowl loss?!?!

[BostonNut]

Is 6-5 during the Mahomes era though?

The Chiefs are 6-5 when Cete Blakeman is officiating. It won’t be his full crew as its’s mixed crew due to playoffs.

Blakeman's crews called 252 penalties in 16 games, the highest penalty totals in the NFL this season.

Top 5 Most Penalties by Crew:
Clete Blakeman: 252 penalties/2128 yards/289 flags
Craig Wrolstad: 252/2092/302
Ron Torbert: 235/1958/285
Alex Kemp: 231/1898/265
Shawn Hochuli: 221/1811/274


Shawn Hochuli will calling the Eagles game.

[Siberian13]

Is 6-5 during the Mahomes era though?

Edit: corrected

Since becoming an NFL referee ahead of the 2010 season, Blakeman has worked 17 Chiefs games. KC is 10-7 in those games.


But the Chiefs are 6-5 (.545) in games Blakeman has worked while Patrick Mahomes has been the Chiefs’ starting quarterback.

[Siberian13]

Rumor has it that 48% of the Commanders' offensive holding calls this season came in the two games Hochuli and Alex Kemp officiated. Kemp is working with Hochuli's crew this weekend.

Also, the Eagles are 6-0 in games Hochuli has officiated under head coach Nick Sirianni.

[slyguy]

I am excited to watch.

KC is just such a different team than Mahomes' early years throwing bombs to Tyreek and Watkins and Kelce. It's a grindy defense team now. Bills are also a different team with now just mediocre WRs yet a fairly good RB and Josh Allen a lot better at minimizing turnovers versus young years. I think Buffalo has slightly more talent in 2024, but their coaching is average at best... and that's just huge in big games. I think Chiefs win it... probably a one score game.

Jayden and Wash are out of rabbits to pull from the hat. This one won't be close; the Skins will get beat pretty bad. The line reflects this. Philly already outplayed them twice easily this year imo (a last-minute 12/22 win in a game Hurts left injured in Q1 doesn't really count to me). Philly will roll and be pulling starters out in Q4.

Three more games, guys :) !:) !:)!

... A loss here would be devastating for Allen and the Bills. If they lose here, the pressure will be soooo great in the following years...They're on the road. KC is 1 seed.
They had their chances for #1 seed, and they messed them up.
I don't think losing any road game is devastating.
It's pretty clear by not that Josh Allen is the Peyton to Mahomes' Brady status for this generation.
Sad? Upsetting? Frustrating? Sure... but not devastating to lose to 2x defending SB champs on the road. Jmo.

It was probably more devastating to lose to them in Buffalo last year 2023 AFC divi round at home in NY?

[Fenway55]

Are there numbers to back this up?
Yes..

[lionsfan20]

Brady had 3 SB too before Manning finally able to beat him. Buffalo is red hot and defense starting to show up. I like ou chances

So are you officially a Bills fan now? Thought you were a life long Saints fan? Or did you officially jump onto Bills bandwagon because the Saints suck? Gotta love bandwagon fans. Some of us just stick with our teams through good and bad. Or mostly bad in our case. Either way us Lions fans will save a spot on the beach for you and your boy Allen. After mahomie sends him on vacation again this weekend. :)!

[2dueces]

Buffalo’s season is such a crazy story it’s almost possible this is the one.
Bills lost 6 pro bowlers , #1 and #2 receivers. They lost 3 of their 4 starting defense backfield, Poyer, Hyde and White. Milano missed 16 months with injuries and still is about 80%. They lost their starting center, line blocking assignments veteran Mitch Morse.
James Cook had 4 total rushing touchdowns in his career until this year with 16 total lead the league.
Who ever heard of Shakir until this year? Mac Hollins is with his 4th team in 4 years and was a team leader in receiving TD’s.

Vegas had them at 10 wins behind Miami and the Jets and they clinch at Thanksgiving.
If they pull it off, it’s nothing short of a Hollywood movie. GO BILLS!

[Siberian13]

Buffalo’s season is such a crazy story it’s almost possible this is the one.
Bills lost 6 pro bowlers , #1 and #2 receivers. They lost 3 of their 4 starting defense backfield, Poyer, Hyde and White. Milano missed 16 months with injuries and still is about 80%. They lost their starting center, line blocking assignments veteran Mitch Morse.
James Cook had 4 total rushing touchdowns in his career until this year with 16 total lead the league.
Who ever heard of Shakir until this year? Mac Hollins is with his 4th team in 4 years and was a team leader in receiving TD’s.

Vegas had them at 10 wins behind Miami and the Jets and they clinch at Thanksgiving.
If they pull it off, it’s nothing short of a Hollywood movie. GO BILLS!

Addition by subtraction. :)!


https://media.tenor.com/17pjCRopruoAAAAM/buffalo-bills-stefon-diggs.gif

[hairysasquatch]

So are you officially a Bills fan now? Thought you were a life long Saints fan? Or did you officially jump onto Bills bandwagon because the Saints suck? Gotta love bandwagon fans. Some of us just stick with our teams through good and bad. Or mostly bad in our case. Either way us Lions fans will save a spot on the beach for you and your boy Allen. After mahomie sends him on vacation again this weekend. :)!

Delta5 getting lit up - you love to see it!

[Delta5]

So are you officially a Bills fan now? Thought you were a life long Saints fan? Or did you officially jump onto Bills bandwagon because the Saints suck? Gotta love bandwagon fans. Some of us just stick with our teams through good and bad. Or mostly bad in our case. Either way us Lions fans will save a spot on the beach for you and your boy Allen. After mahomie sends him on vacation again this weekend. :)!

Shouldve been more specific. I'm a great QB fan which is something lions dont and will never have. Enjoy your cancun, we're going to new orleans

[blackbears86]

Shouldve been more specific. I'm a great QB fan which is something lions dont and will never have. Enjoy your cancun, we're going to new orleans



Delta: Are you done for a year if the Bills lose Sunday? Are you going to honor the bet with Sleeper? :coffee:

[blackbears86]

waiting for an answer delta.

[Chris P]

waiting for an answer delta.

He's sidestepped this question everytime it's brought up. Expect a "I never agreed to that bet" at best

[Chris P]

Shouldve been more specific. I'm a great QB fan which is something lions dont and will never have. Enjoy your cancun, we're going to new orleans

A "Great QB fan"

What a cop out LOL.

[mc1]

Vegas had them at 10 wins behind Miami and the Jets and they clinch at Thanksgiving.
If they pull it off, it’s nothing short of a Hollywood movie. GO BILLS!

Why do you guys keep pushing this lie? Delta has also said the Bills were picked to finish 3rd by everyone.:doh:

The fact is the Bills opened as favorites to win their division and to win 11.5 games. By the time the season started they were still favored to win more games than the Jets or Dolphins.

[Jaysabz]

So are you officially a Bills fan now? Thought you were a life long Saints fan? Or did you officially jump onto Bills bandwagon because the Saints suck? Gotta love bandwagon fans. Some of us just stick with our teams through good and bad. Or mostly bad in our case. Either way us Lions fans will save a spot on the beach for you and your boy Allen. After mahomie sends him on vacation again this weekend. :)!

I think I heard him mention he's a QB fan and there was that thread where he was asking for opinions on what Drew Brees card to purchase where he called himself a diehard Saints fan, though I never see him posting about the Saints.

I think he just has man crushes on certain QBs, used to be Drew Brees so he was a Saints fan, now he's in love with Josh Allen so he's the #1 Bills fan.

When I was growing up, you were a fan of the team from your city.

If you were born without a nearby team, like in Montana or Wyoming or Arkansas, I suppose you'd be free to root for whoever you'd like, but I'd think it would make the most sense to root for the geographically closest team to where you live, because it's likely your local ABC, NBC (back in the day), CBS, and FOX affiliate would cover the games of the closest team, geographically.

Someone who grew up in a state without a team - correct me if I'm wrong.

[blackbears86]

He's sidestepped this question everytime it's brought up. Expect a "I never agreed to that bet" at best



I'll just keep asking every time he posts.

[2dueces]

Why do you guys keep pushing this lie? Delta has also said the Bills were picked to finish 3rd by everyone.:doh:

The fact is the Bills opened as favorites to win their division and to win 11.5 games. By the time the season started they were still favored to win more games than the Jets or Dolphins.

That’s so wrong. 10.5 was the number with Jets and Dolphins at 9.5 depending on what betting site you looked at. The talking heads predicted the Bills would finish 3rd because of the loss of 6 pro bowlers and $70M in dead cap space

[cdub6238]

That’s so wrong. 10.5 was the number with Jets and Dolphins at 9.5 depending on what betting site you looked at. The talking heads predicted the Bills would finish 3rd because of the loss of 6 pro bowlers and $70M in dead cap space

Alllll I heard allllll off season...from friends, co workers, ESPN heads...even most people on here..

But totally definitely "never happened" and was all in head :doh:

[Delta5]

Delta: Are you done for a year if the Bills lose Sunday? Are you going to honor the bet with Sleeper? :coffee:

of course, I said yes one time. I dont have to keep repeating myself

[Delta5]

Why do you guys keep pushing this lie? Delta has also said the Bills were picked to finish 3rd by everyone.:doh:

The fact is the Bills opened as favorites to win their division and to win 11.5 games. By the time the season started they were still favored to win more games than the Jets or Dolphins.

Bills are not fave to win division. in fsct they're behind dolphins and jets. get your facts straight

[Delta5]

I'll just keep asking every time he posts.

I said yes one time, why do I have to keep answering the same question?

[Siberian13]

As of 8/27/24, Jets are the new favorites to win the AFC in 2024. Days ahead of the NFL season, New York's odds to take the division now sit at +165. The Buffalo Bills opened as the favorites to repeat as AFC East champions, but those odds recently moved from +130 to +195, second on the board.

When division odds first began to drop back in early March, the Bills were at +130 to repeat in the AFC East at DraftKings, followed by the Dolphins at +180 and the Jets at +300.

Bills opened as favorites and then jets moved hard before season started.

[Delta5]

As of 8/27/24, Jets are the new favorites to win the AFC in 2024. Days ahead of the NFL season, New York's odds to take the division now sit at +165. The Buffalo Bills opened as the favorites to repeat as AFC East champions, but those odds recently moved from +130 to +195, second on the board.

When division odds first began to drop back in early March, the Bills were at +130 to repeat in the AFC East at DraftKings, followed by the Dolphins at +180 and the Jets at +300.

Bills opened as favorites and then jets moved hard before season started.

I mean +130 was with Diggs and the roster shuffle hasnt happened yet. 70m in dead cap caused Bills to be third on the divvy, some people just underestimate Allen

[hairysasquatch]

I mean +130 was with Diggs and the roster shuffle hasnt happened yet. 70m in dead cap caused Bills to be third on the divvy, some people just underestimate Allen

Shedding Diggs did wonders for the Bills.

[Delta5]

Shedding Diggs did wonders for the Bills.

Not according to Vegas, neither by general sentiment. I'm pretty sure a lot of people called bills are on soft rebuild. And not jusr diggs, they lost 6 pro bowlers and like 5 captains from the team. So the roster was undoubtedly gutted

[Boo]

Not according to Vegas, neither by general sentiment. I'm pretty sure a lot of people called bills are on soft rebuild. And not jusr diggs, they lost 6 pro bowlers and like 5 captains from the team. So the roster was undoubtedly gutted

Are you making excuses for a loss this weekend?

[2dueces]

Are you making excuses for a loss this weekend?

There will be no need for excuses after the Bills beat KC. KC has to be the luckiest good team to reach this point. Every bounce, every penalty, every toe went their way this year. Eventually that and one score wins will catch up. Now that the whole world is aware of the differential in playoff penalties the game will be called very close to the vest. The Bills pass rush will be the difference.
No excuses on the way to the Super Bowl. GO BILLS!

[blackbears86]

I said yes one time, why do I have to keep answering the same question?



Just wanted clarity:coffee:

[slyguy]

There will be no need for excuses after the Bills beat KC. KC has to be the luckiest good team to reach this point. Every bounce, every penalty, every toe went their way this year. Eventually that and one score wins will catch up. Now that the whole world is aware of the differential in playoff penalties the game will be called very close to the vest. The Bills pass rush will be the difference.
No excuses on the way to the Super Bowl. GO BILLS!Lol, the KC hate is amazing. I'd like to see another team lose its WR1 for the year, top FA WR gets hurt before opening kickoff, RB1 for over half the year, patchwork OL... and *still* be the SB favorite. They are literally pulling guys out of retirement (Hunt, OL, DBs) to make a team, and they are a 1 seed, lol.

It doesn't matter how a team wins... wins are wins, esp AFC wins... and any NFL wins on the road.

The Bills have as good a shot as they ever did, but they are dogs for a reason (mainly road game and coaching... they're as/more talented this year than KC). I bet KC takes it in one score game, but it'll be fun to watch.

[JWBlue]

In the Bills/Chiefs game coaching will be the difference.

Advantage : Chiefs

[Fenway55]

Well, here's a little something for those of you wanting statistical evidence...

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/chiefs-referee-playoffs-penalties-2024-divisional-round/

[Hellcat]

It's becoming unwatchable anymore meaning Chiefs games. Like was already lamented every big call/play/situation always goes the Chiefs way. Thankfully the Eagles will be waiting for them and yet again the Chiefs will be dogs but the refs will find a way!

[chompie99]

Well, here's a little something for those of you wanting statistical evidence...

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/chiefs-referee-playoffs-penalties-2024-divisional-round/

Interesting. So all an astute person needs to do is bet heavily on Chiefs money line and over this time period you’re a huge winner. I’m certain that betters who know this have been doing so since “everyone” knows this has been going on and knows the narrative. (Quotation marks are my own)

If only it were this easy. If it were and I was a big winner it would be anything but unwatchable.

Bottom line is as a Chiefs fan, there are two results. Chiefs win or Chiefs lose. Either way there are going to be no excuses from me as it’s a game. End of story. If they win, it will be historic. If they lose, I’ll be thankful they’ve done so well compared to 50 years of no Super bowl appearances until 2019. It’s been remarkable.

[Fenway55]

Interesting. So all an astute person needs to do is bet heavily on Chiefs money line and over this time period you’re a huge winner.It is pretty easy to come up with successful betting strategies after the fact. :coffee:

All an astute person had to do was bet $200 against the Chicago White Sox last July 10 and parlay their winnings every day for 3 weeks and they'd be a millionaire.

[Grave252]

Should be some good football this weekend. I have resided myself into another Chiefs title, so that way it'll be easier to accept if it happens. A Chiefs loss to the Bills would be amazing though.

[dbpsooner]

It is pretty easy to come up with successful betting strategies after the fact. :coffee:

All an astute person had to do was bet $200 against the Chicago White Sox last July 10 and parlay their winnings every day for 3 weeks and they'd be a millionaire.

Seasoned gamblers know you always bet on a streak versus against it. Betting on a streak has unlimited upside with a downside of one loss. Betting against a streak has unlimited downside with upside of one win.

The White Sox example is a great one and I was lucky enough to win some money on that streak, although I do not parlay my winnings, I simply bet the same amount until it loses.

I think the point being made was related to all the cries of conspiracy and fixed results. If you truly believed it was rigged, you could have made a lot of money betting the KC money line in all of these playoff games for the last 3 years. People continue to cry that it is rigged and yet given the option to bet on KC, these same people will say no thank you because crying it all it is. If they really believed it they would profit from it.

[chompie99]

It is pretty easy to come up with successful betting strategies after the fact. :coffee:

All an astute person had to do was bet $200 against the Chicago White Sox last July 10 and parlay their winnings every day for 3 weeks and they'd be a millionaire.

This is true. Difference is there was no one I saw claiming that games were “rigged” against the White Sox.

Was there a similar analysis done during the Patriots run? It would have been a larger sample size anyway. People made lots of allegations during the Patriots run. It’s ironic.

[chompie99]

Seasoned gamblers know you always bet on a streak versus against it. Betting on a streak has unlimited upside with a downside of one loss. Betting against a streak has unlimited downside with upside of one win.

The White Sox example is a great one and I was lucky enough to win some money on that streak, although I do not parlay my winnings, I simply bet the same amount until it loses.

I think the point being made was related to all the cries of conspiracy and fixed results. If you truly believed it was rigged, you could have made a lot of money betting the KC money line in all of these playoff games for the last 3 years. People continue to cry that it is rigged and yet given the option to bet on KC, these same people will say no thank you because crying it all it is. If they really believed it they would profit from it.

Yes, thanks for stating my point better than I did.

[Fenway55]

Seasoned gamblers know you always bet on a streak versus against it. Betting on a streak has unlimited upside with a downside of one loss. Betting against a streak has unlimited downside with upside of one win. OK. Problem is at what point do we see that a streak has begun?

Like I said.... it is easy to come up with winning strategies after the fact.
I think the point being made was related to all the cries of conspiracy and fixed results. If you truly believed it was rigged, you could have made a lot of money betting the KC money line in all of these playoff games for the last 3 years. People continue to cry that it is rigged and yet given the option to bet on KC, these same people will say no thank you because crying it all it is. If they really believed it they would profit from it.Well, you'll be happy to know I have made a lot of money betting on the Chiefs in the playoffs the past few years... but the KC money line is not quite as lucrative as you are trying to make it sound. You say you like betting the streak, right? Well it takes a couple games to identify the streak.

[libertypro86]

Kevin JWBlue clear you inbox. Trying to message you.

[Bcr]

Really wish they gave us one of the games on Saturday instead of both on Sunday.

[dbpsooner]

OK. Problem is at what point do we see that a streak has begun?

Like I said.... it is easy to come up with winning strategies after the fact.
Well, you'll be happy to know I have made a lot of money betting on the Chiefs in the playoffs the past few years... but the KC money line is not quite as lucrative as you are trying to make it sound. You say you like betting the streak, right? Well it takes a couple games to identify the streak.

1. A streak can be whatever you want it to be. It is more a life lesson for those people that love to bet on the "due" factor fallacy. I am not one that seeks out streaks, but when we see streaks like we did with the White Sox last year, I am one that will bet on the streak for fun while many will bet against the streak for due factor alone.

2. As for KC, I think you are still missing the general point being made. If you are one that truly believes in the conspiracy and think the outcome of the game this weekend is already determined, by all means go profit from it and enjoy the windfall. Good on you for making a lot of money on KC over the last couple years. I do not know if you fall into the conspiracy camp of "these games are all predetermined." The fact of the matter is people don't really think that, they just like to cry about it after the fact and say it is rigged. It happens in every sport when one team is successful for a prolonged period of time.

For the people that truly believe the game is predetermined, if you have not made lots of money with that knowledge, you are dumber than people already think you are.

I for one think the games this weekend will be great and would not presume to know the outcome prior to kick off! I would not be shocked to see any of these 4 teams win this weekend.

[2dueces]

Lol, the KC hate is amazing. I'd like to see another team lose its WR1 for the year, top FA WR gets hurt before opening kickoff, RB1 for over half the year, patchwork OL... and *still* be the SB favorite. They are literally pulling guys out of retirement (Hunt, OL, DBs) to make a team, and they are a 1 seed, lol.

It doesn't matter how a team wins... wins are wins, esp AFC wins... and any NFL wins on the road.

The Bills have as good a shot as they ever did, but they are dogs for a reason (mainly road game and coaching... they're as/more talented this year than KC). I bet KC takes it in one score game, but it'll be fun to watch.

There’s no KC hate here. I’ve been a loyal Bills fan since 1963. I’ve seen 2 AFL championships, 4 SB losses and a 13 second game. It’s just a feeling about this Bills team. A team of no bodies- minus SuperMan. A team of zero pro bowlers.
Yea KC had injuries. So does everyone. Buffalo has zero receivers in the top whatever. Buffalo has injuries again in the secondary. So what. It comes down to the QB’s again and Allen has it figured out. Is it enough? I hope so. If not, they’ll still have JA17 next year

[Delta5]

Are you making excuses for a loss this weekend?

No.......

[Delta5]

Seasoned gamblers know you always bet on a streak versus against it. Betting on a streak has unlimited upside with a downside of one loss. Betting against a streak has unlimited downside with upside of one win.

The White Sox example is a great one and I was lucky enough to win some money on that streak, although I do not parlay my winnings, I simply bet the same amount until it loses.

I think the point being made was related to all the cries of conspiracy and fixed results. If you truly believed it was rigged, you could have made a lot of money betting the KC money line in all of these playoff games for the last 3 years. People continue to cry that it is rigged and yet given the option to bet on KC, these same people will say no thank you because crying it all it is. If they really believed it they would profit from it.

Gambler fallacy

[JWBlue]

Eagles fan...what is the status of Hurts? How is that knee. I know he will play but will he be able to be Jalen Hurts?

[Fenway55]

Gambler fallacy
It is not a fallacy in sports. In sports, streaks are a real thing.

Now when it comes to point spreads, betting against a streak is often wise because if a team wins 3/4/5 games in a row, their spread will be over inflated on that next game. For example, the 15-2 Chiefs were an abysmal 7-10 ATS this year.

[Jaysabz]

Bills are not fave to win division. in fsct they're behind dolphins and jets. get your facts straight

I don't know what you're on about the division, but I posted the whole pre-season odds (Like, the day pre-season started, these were the futures odds) for winning the Super Bowl, and the top was as follows:

1. Kansas City Chiefs +500
2. San Francisco 49ers +600
3. Baltimore Ravens +1000
T4. Philadelphia Eagles +1200
T4. Detroit Lions +1200
5. Cincinnati Bengals +1300
T6. Houston Texans +1600
T6. Green Bay Packers +1600
T6. Buffalo Bills +1600

I've even heard people say they should make a MOVIE about the Bills season if they win a Super Bowl? Bunch of overreaction in this thread / in general if you ask me.

Buffalo was among the top 9 out of 32 teams as far as odds to win the Super Bowl. Three out of the four teams that were in that Top 9 are still alive.

The Commanders are the Cinderella Story this year, not the Bills. The Bills have been been contenders from years, and have made the playoffs for at least each of the last four years.

Sorry Bills fans, you had some key injuries this year and got rid of your WR1 who was a cancer in the locker room. Welcome to football. They're not putting an asterisk next to your season - win or lose the rest of the way - because of it. You're not the first nor the last team it'll have happened to.

The team I support has been to four Super Bowls, and the only one we won was with our backup Quarterback. No asterisk in the record books if the Patriots would have won Super Bowl LII* (* Eagles were playing with their backup QB, and therefore disadvantaged).

Win or go home. Immortality or nothing. There's no asterisk in the book for Super Bowl LVII either. Chiefs - Super Bowls LVII Champions*

*There was a call that some thought was questionable - a defensive hold on the Eagles with under 2 minutes left, which, if not called, would have given the Eagles the ball back with 1:30 in a 35-35 game. The Eagles never saw the ball again and the Chiefs kicked a FG to win 38-35.

Book just says - Super Bowl LVII: Kansas City Chiefs.

Wishing you luck against the Chiefs, may the best team win.

[slyguy]

I got KC right after last SB for +700. (they were better than +500 most places, but maybe it lowered them/all preseason?)
Got Bills +500 and Phila +700 start of the playoffs a few weeks ago.

I think I'm fine with pretty much whatever at this point... I got Bills big over Balt and hit, but no bets this conf round from me.

[Jaysabz]

Eagles fan...what is the status of Hurts? How is that knee. I know he will play but will he be able to be Jalen Hurts?

They're keeping it quiet. I believe their thinking is not to tip their hand - to make the Commanders have to game plan for both possibilities.

I did see their D Coordinator had some choice words about Hurts - if he runs, we're going to treat him and hit him like a RB.

Uh.. why you trying to talk and give the Eagles something to say "Oh, is that right?" about - but also - your QB runs too buddy, and he's hella skinnier than Hurts. Hurts probably has 40 pounds on Daniels - and that's no insult.

There's a reason he's called the "Slim Reaper" - and he's a rookie - Hurts has been in the league since 2020, bulking up, working with nutritionists...

I'm sure Daniels will be doing that in the off-season too. I don't think the Commanders want him bulking up 40lbs, but 20lbs of muscle across that 6'4" frame would serve him well for absorbing hits / injury prevention in the future.

[JWBlue]

They're keeping it quiet. I believe their thinking is not to tip their hand - to make the Commanders have to game plan for both possibilities.

I did see their D Coordinator had some choice words about Hurts - if he runs, we're going to treat him and hit him like a RB.

Uh.. why you trying to talk and give the Eagles something to say "Oh, is that right?" about - but also - your QB runs too buddy, and he's hella skinnier than Hurts. Hurts probably has 40 pounds on Daniels - and that's no insult.

There's a reason he's called the "Slim Reaper" - and he's a rookie - Hurts has been in the league since 2020, bulking up, working with nutritionists...

I'm sure Daniels will be doing that in the off-season too. I don't think the Commanders want him bulking up 40lbs, but 20lbs of muscle across that 6'4" frame would serve him well for absorbing hits / injury prevention in the future.

I read he will be wearing a brace which will effect his mobility.

I would not be shocked if WAS won, but I don't think they can stop Barkley.

[slyguy]

...I would not be shocked if WAS won, but I don't think they can stop Barkley.They can't. You saw that already in two reg season games (~350yds and 4td for Barkley).
They don't turn into a new team on the road in an important matchup.

I would certainly take Phi (-6) or whatever they're at, but I have plenty on them already with future bet. No need to risk a Skins backdoor cover or Phila win-but-not-cover with Hurts effectiveness being uncertain.

[lionsfan20]

I think I heard him mention he's a QB fan and there was that thread where he was asking for opinions on what Drew Brees card to purchase where he called himself a diehard Saints fan, though I never see him posting about the Saints.

I think he just has man crushes on certain QBs, used to be Drew Brees so he was a Saints fan, now he's in love with Josh Allen so he's the #1 Bills fan.


When I was growing up, you were a fan of the team from your city.

If you were born without a nearby team, like in Montana or Wyoming or Arkansas, I suppose you'd be free to root for whoever you'd like, but I'd think it would make the most sense to root for the geographically closest team to where you live, because it's likely your local ABC, NBC (back in the day), CBS, and FOX affiliate would cover the games of the closest team, geographically.

Someone who grew up in a state without a team - correct me if I'm wrong.

Or Nebraska like me? I started out as a rams fan mostly because of their colors and Eric Dickerson. But being in the land of the big 12 I was lucky enough to witness Barry Sanders greatness first hand. I was blown away. I decided to follow him to his NFL team. And as luck would have it I was a huge fan of real Lions and even dreamed of being a national geographic photographer as a kid. And my favorite color was blue lol. It was a perfect fit. And as they say the rest was history. I will be a lions fan until the day I die.The more the Lions struggle and the more other fans mock me the more I love the Lions. Lions are the ultimate underdog story. It's almost a badge of honor at this point. But yes if I grew up in another city/state with a pro team I am sure I would be a fan of that team.

[mc1]

Bills are not fave to win division. in fsct they're behind dolphins and jets. get your facts straight

https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/nfl/divisional-odds/

[March 4] The opening AFC East odds favor the Buffalo Bills with +130 odds. The Dolphins and Jets are both close with +190 and +290 odds, respectively.

They opened as favorites and were 2nd when the season started, not 3rd.

[September 13] Buffalo demolished the Dolphins on Thursday Night Football of Week 2, and took over as the division favorites after the win. Miami’s odds faded from an average of +173 to +500 with Tua Tagovailoa suffering another concussion and being out without a timetable for return.

[ninjacookies]

I don't know how anyone could possibly bet against KC and their proven recent history of brutal dominance. And at home? Psh.

Now Mahomes is backed by the best defense he's ever had. If he's even 70% of his former self then they still pull it off.

Bills only chance is being up 3 tuddies with 2 minutes left in the 4th. And even then it'll be like pulling teeth.


Chiefs @ -125 in the ACFC feels like Kwanza in January. Full send.

[Delta5]

I don't know how anyone could possibly bet against KC and their proven recent history of brutal dominance. And at home? Psh.

Now Mahomes is backed by the best defense he's ever had. If he's even 70% of his former self then they still pull it off.

Bills only chance is being up 3 tuddies with 2 minutes left in the 4th. And even then it'll be like pulling teeth.


Chiefs @ -125 in the ACFC feels like Kwanza in January. Full send.

I'm sure this will age finely. Keep doubting us

[Delta5]

It is not a fallacy in sports. In sports, streaks are a real thing.

Now when it comes to point spreads, betting against a streak is often wise because if a team wins 3/4/5 games in a row, their spread will be over inflated on that next game. For example, the 15-2 Chiefs were an abysmal 7-10 ATS this year.

when does streak starts? I'm sure betting on team with streaks mean worse odds as most of the time they are faves, if it's that easy everyone woul be rich. Every event is exclusive and past events are not an indicator of this one sample size

[Chris P]

I'm sure this will age finely. Keep doubting us

Who's "us"? You aren't even a Bills fan..you're a "great qb" fan:rolleyes:

[hairysasquatch]

Who's "us"? You aren't even a Bills fan..you're a "great qb" fan:rolleyes:

He's been a Bills fan AT LEAST since their win over Detroit on Thanksgiving! AT LEAST!!

[chompie99]

Eagles over Commanders 65/35
Chiefs over Bills 55/45

Both should be very competitive games with upsets being possible in both. If Daniels engineers an upset, it would be quite the feat in his rookie year. Bills and Chiefs will likely come down to final minutes and who turns the ball over the least. Looking forward to the games!

[Floridacardguy]

Eagles over Commanders 65/35
Chiefs over Bills 55/45

Both should be very competitive games with upsets being possible in both. If Daniels engineers an upset, it would be quite the feat in his rookie year. Bills and Chiefs will likely come down to final minutes and who turns the ball over the least. Looking forward to the games!

Wow, you love the overs :)

Bills 23 Chiefs 20
Eagles 24 Commanders 20

[spuds1961]

I had predicted Bills vs Eagles before the playoffs started so I will stick to it but part of me wants to see the Commanders against the Chiefs just to see what the opening point spread would be.

[Floridacardguy]

I had predicted Bills vs Eagles before the playoffs started so I will stick to it but part of me wants to see the Commanders against the Chiefs just to see what the opening point spread would be.

I think on the right day, any of these teams can beat KC. They have the home field and refs going for them. They are NOT rolling over anyone any longer, they are battling out wins and eeking them out sometimes.

[spuds1961]

I think on the right day, any of these teams can beat KC. They have the home field and refs going for them. They are NOT rolling over anyone any longer, they are battling out wins and eeking them out sometimes.

True but the one thing I don’t see is the Chiefs beating themselves with a late game mistake. It could happen but I think it would be more likely to happen if The Commanders were in the Super Bowl.

[Floridacardguy]

True but the one thing I don’t see is the Chiefs beating themselves with a late game mistake. It could happen but I think it would be more likely to happen if The Commanders were in the Super Bowl.

Yeah, that matters. They don't make many mistakes and coaching matters too

[Fenway55]

when does streak starts?I asked the same question above. It really is up to the individual bettor.

I knew a guy that, once a baseball team won (or lost) 4 in a row, he would bet on (or against) that team until the streak ended. Some years he made money, some years he lost money. Your other comment is 100% correct: it leads to much, much worse odds.

[LCM1223]

Eagles have to go with Landon Dickerson as emergency Center

Frankie Luvu already probably foaming at the mouth scheming to lay down one of his patented dirty hits to knock him out of the game

[Fenway55]

I am worried that Hurts is not at 100%. Discretion is going to be the bettor part of valor for me in game 1.

[Floridacardguy]

I am worried that Hurts is not at 100%. Discretion is going to be the bettor part of valor for me in game 1.

Pickett isn't either

[majestik101]

Let's go 'Skins!

[Boo]

Washington is going to have blocking issues all game.

[LCM1223]

Legend has it Eagles once had good 3rd down defense

[Boo]

Legend has it Eagles once had good 3rd down defense

What about 4th down

[Boo]

Can’t get off the field

[LCM1223]

No reason not to go on every 4th down

[Boo]

Should have gone again, the D was tired

[Siberian13]

Long drive. Good start for WASH

[NYBBFAN]

Uh oh commies

[Melagoo]

Wow! what a run!

[Siberian13]

Barkley making it look easy

[JWBlue]

It's over.

[Jaysabz]

Fly Eagles Fly!

[majestik101]

LCM probably pissed Saquon Barkley took so long to score

[Onepocketj]

Happy for Saquon

[lionsfan20]

Barely touched. Better luck next season Washington. Lol I was pulling for them to go all the way too.

[LCM1223]

It's over.

:cry:

[Onepocketj]

LCM probably pissed Saquon Barkley took so long to score

Plus he didn't even hurdle anyone

[Scottish Punk]

I hear that Barkley kid is pretty good. Washington drive 18 plays, 7 minutes, 3 points. Philadelphia 1 play, 30 seconds, 7 points.

Eagles defense didn't get any rest.

[JWBlue]

Happy for Saquon

He is genuinely a good guy. I read this article from the LA Times this morning.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2025-01-23/eagles-saquon-barkley-gives-away-high-school-track-medal

[LCM1223]

Hope that pumped adrenaline into the defense cuz they certainly didn’t get any time to catch their breath

[JWBlue]

Barkley reminds me of Eric Dickerson the year he broke the rushing record.

A run was as good as a pass.

[NYBBFAN]

My goodness. Glad Delta isn’t an Eagles fan.

[majestik101]

Whoopsie daisy!

[Siberian13]

Night night Washington

[JWBlue]

Nine out 10 winners this postseason had 0 turnovers.

[GOWIFB]

I wonder who gets credit for the forced fumble. The defender punched his teammates wrist and then that players hand ended up actually causing the ball to come loose.

[Scottish Punk]

Nine out 10 winners this postseason had 0 turnovers.

Bad timing for it. Washington really could have put that defense in an exhausted state. Now, they get more rest and a possible two score lead. Washington needs to hold to FG.

[JWBlue]

I expect a big passing game from Hurts. Commanders are going to need to sell out to stop the run.

[Jaysabz]

LCM1223 is a fellow Eagles fan and I'm sure he's a fine fellow, we just have very different temperaments obviously.

[LCM1223]

O/U 1.5 unsportsmanlikes for Luvu today?

[Jaysabz]

Fly Eagles Fly!!

[Siberian13]

Too easy

[majestik101]

What an embarrassment displayed by Washington. I feel like my Buccaneers would have put up a better fight. My goodness why even walk out of the locker room if they're going to play this badly

[Boo]

McKee would have the Eagles up 28-3 by now

[lionsfan20]

This has been one of the worst nfl playoffs i can remember. Almost no competitive games. So disappointing.

[Siberian13]

McKee would have the Eagles up 28-3 by now

https://media4.giphy.com/media/U1aN4HTfJ2SmgB2BBK/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952ab4b61884lbupz5wmzj844ws8zu1089tzdeiq73h&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[Floridacardguy]

What an embarrassment displayed by Washington. I feel like my Buccaneers would have put up a better fight. My goodness why even walk out of the locker room if they're going to play this badly

LMAO, sure they would have. Your Bucs got smoked by this Commanders team yet somehow, but somehow they would put up a better fight? :doh:

[Scottish Punk]

Captain obvious. Washington needs to posses the ball and get some points. Give that defense a time to reset.

[Floridacardguy]

Everybody already acting like the game is over. It's the 1st quarter, not the 4th - they are down by 11 not 21

[majestik101]

LMAO, sure they would have. Your Bucs got smoked by this Commanders team yet somehow, but somehow they would put up a better fight? :doh:

Go eat a big bag of Doritos you NN. Tired of you being a complete a-hole every chance you get.

No wonder people are leaving blow out in droves because of people like you

[NYBBFAN]

Nice fake punt. Let’s see if they can cash it in.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Remember when NYG chose Dimes over Saquon?

[Siberian13]

They desperate this early

[Floridacardguy]

Remember when NYG chose Dimes over Saquon?

That's a GM that should never work again whoever signed off on that

[LCM1223]

Dan Quinn made a deal with the devil

[Boo]

They desperate this early

Very Lionsesque, we saw how that turned out.

[Siberian13]

Wow, tight window

[LCM1223]

Only way to prevent Daniels from scoring is by getting turnovers

Without them this defense is cooked

[JWBlue]

Live Super Bowl Odds

NFL Futures - Super Bowl LIX (1)

Super Bowl 59
2/9/25
3:40 PM
Winner
Philadelphia Eagles+125

Kansas City Chiefs+210

Buffalo Bills+240

Washington Commanders+2400

[Floridacardguy]

Go eat a big bag of Doritos you NN. Tired of you being a complete a-hole every chance you get.

No wonder people are leaving blow out in droves because of people like you

Your boy Baker been eating Doritos on the couch now for a couple weeks watching playoffs on TV, the only way he can be involved, because he ain't ever gonna play late playoff football. :cry:

[Boo]

Live Super Bowl Odds

NFL Futures - Super Bowl LIX (1)

Super Bowl 59
2/9/25
3:40 PM
Winner
Philadelphia Eagles+125

Kansas City Chiefs+210

Buffalo Bills+240

Washington Commanders+2400

Only because the next game is a toss up. The AFC winner will likely be favored.

[majestik101]

Your boy Baker been eating Doritos on the couch now for a couple weeks watching playoffs on TV, the only way he can be involved, because he ain't ever gonna play late playoff football. :cry:

I really don't think you want to start with me right now just giving you a fair warning okay.

[coltsnsox07]

All this and it's still just a one possession game.

[cdub6238]

I know the Eagles defense is top tier...but watching the Commanders offense be so inept is...something

[Floridacardguy]

I really don't think you want to start with me right now just giving you a fair warning okay.

Okay, you call me names, but I'm the bad guy.

[JWBlue]

Only because the next game is a toss up. The AFC winner will likely be favored.

Fully expect that.

If Eagles get by:

Chiefs -3

Eagles -1

[majestik101]

Okay, you call me names, but I'm the bad guy.

And blocked. Keep it up and I have no problem smashing the little triangle on you. You're a nuisance

[Floridacardguy]

And blocked. Keep it up and I have no problem smashing the little triangle on you. You're a nuisance

I will block you too

[LCM1223]

Damn Quon banged up already

[JWBlue]

Eagles should run to the outside. Commanders can't cover that.

[majestik101]

It's about damn time Washington's defense showed up and made a stop

[LCM1223]

Didn’t prepare for the blitz last week

Not prepared there

[LCM1223]

You can’t kick Jake beyond 40 yards anymore

Sad

So long buddy thanks for the memories

[JWBlue]

Eagles fans: What happened to Elliott this year? He was so good in the past.

[Siberian13]

Surprised he missed a kick from 50+ :)

[LCM1223]

Eagles fans: What happened to Elliott this year? He was so good in the past.

Yips

Terrible second half of the season

[majestik101]

Surprised he missed a kick from 50+ :)

You could say he's been as automatic as ya boy, Koo.

[JosieD]

You can’t kick Jake beyond 40 yards anymore

Sad

So long buddy thanks for the memories

It is sad.

[JWBlue]

LATERAL

[Siberian13]

Scurry Terry

[LCM1223]

And here it comes

[Siberian13]

You could say he's been as automatic as ya boy, Koo.

Koo has a bad hip. So it makes sense

[majestik101]

Now we're talking. This is the game I expected

[Siberian13]

Too early to go for 2

[JWBlue]

There is no such thing as a good defense in the NFL these days.

[cdub6238]

Great call for the 2 points....idiots

[JWBlue]

Surprised the Eagles didn't look at that incomplete pass. Looked like a lateral.

[spuds1961]

Hey at least it’s competitive.

[Scottish Punk]

Too early to go for 2

Agreed, that one point my be important later. The difference between a tie or lead.

[majestik101]

Yeah I'm not sure I understand the logic going for two points there

[Siberian13]

Agreed, that one point my be important later. The difference between a tie or lead.

Don’t chase early. 3rd quarter, I get it but not this early.

[Jaysabz]

Eagles fans: What happened to Elliott this year? He was so good in the past.

Not sure. A bit snakebitten like another K in Baltimore this year that used to be so reliable.

Unfortunately, decent kickers are rarely noticed (except for guys like Tucker, who is the tops) unless they struggle. Otherwise, it's just expected they make everything inside 60 and all XPs,

[Jaysabz]

Yeah I'm not sure I understand the logic going for two points there

Me either. I think it's an ego thing - we're tied now, not losing,

But there's no place for ego when a Super Bowl on the line, and I think their coach's ego got the better of him there.

[Siberian13]

Now give it to Saquon

[Boo]

McKee couldn’t have made that throw

[Siberian13]

It’s why I hate going for two there. They score here and it’s a 2 possession game.

[LCM1223]

Huge play

Until Kellen & Co. learn how to figure out a blitz, the game will remain close

[cdub6238]

Ehhh definitely all over him there

[majestik101]

Thought that was a bogus flag but nah good call

[LCM1223]

Wait I thought flags weren’t allowed on WASH???

[Siberian13]

Easy td now

[cdub6238]

Make up call maybe?? Didn't see much

[Siberian13]

Lattimore getting worked

[majestik101]

Well AJ Brown may have bought himself a ticket to the showers with that shove and blow to the face to knock off the helmet

[LCM1223]

Make up call maybe?? Didn't see much

:cry:

That was even more egregious than the one on Goedert

[majestik101]

Lattimore getting worked

Lattimore is a punk

[Siberian13]

How is that not offsetting?

[Boo]

How is that not offsetting?

Brown’s was during the play

[LCM1223]

Lattimore taking tips from Luvu on living that thug life

[majestik101]

Some of these NFL players would never have survived in the '60s '70s and '80s when that kind of shoving was allowed

[therealcjc33]

How is that not offsetting?

Agreed. That should be offsetting.

[cdub6238]

:cry:

That was even more egregious than the one on Goedert

I mean..holding maybe...but pass interference...please

And while dumb for Lattimore, AJ Brown was a douche

[Siberian13]

Worked out in their favor since the refs don’t want to flag AJ brown.

[Jaysabz]

Why did they go for 2? 9 and 10 are both 2 scores.

8 is 1 score.

Both coaches with dumb calls.

[LCM1223]

Cmon Nick

[Siberian13]

Agreed. That should be offsetting.

His helmet is ripped off and they don’t see it?

[Boo]

Both teams dumb going for two

[LCM1223]

I mean..holding maybe...but pass interference...please

And while dumb for Lattimore, AJ Brown was a douche

Holding….DPI…still deserving of a flag

[cdub6238]

Holding….DPI…still deserving of a flag

Not quite exacrly what your response was...but..whatever makes you feel better :rolleyes:

[Jaysabz]

Only thing I could see on the Wash penalty was that #4 was the third man in.... call it on him perhaps

[Siberian13]

Washington trying their best to lose

[majestik101]

Butterfingers!

Former Buccaneer Jeremy McNichols I remember that guy fumbling all the time while he was on our team

[Onepocketj]

So much for this game

[cdub6238]

This is why you don't have your 3rd string RB handle returns...

[Scottish Punk]

That was big. Philadelphia can double dip.

[therealcjc33]

His helmet is ripped off and they don’t see it?

Oh no, they saw it.

[JWBlue]

Under bettors sweating it.

[GOWIFB]

That was big. Philadelphia can double dip.

You mean they can triple dip