First Buzz: 2024 Topps Heritage High Number baseball cards (will update)

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[WillBBC]

The release schedule is 100% broken. It’s ridiculous.

[TimBuckTwo]

The release schedule is 100% broken. It’s ridiculous.

If it does not harm you, do not cry.

[ThoseBackPages]

this will sell

[Skipscards]

Let's go!

[PoPCulture]

Which will we see first? Langford, Skenes, and the Jackson’s Heritage Rookie cards or their 2nd year Heritage cards?

[kyle1707]

Well thank goodness

A glimmer of light in this sludge of a “hobby”

Sorry pretty dramatic I know

[AwesomeBrian]

I'm happy we'll be getting this. Hopefully they do the Mini also

[PuddleMonkey]

I need a mini's auto checklist stat.

[mikejones]

One of the better RCs has to be 701-725. Should help with value. Looks like I might be getting this instead of series 1 depending on price. My guess is $95 per.

[premium1981]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FatButcher]

One of the better RCs has to be 701-725. Should help with value. Looks like I might be getting this instead of series 1 depending on price. My guess is $95 per.

I hope they do keep pricing under $100/box, but if they put mini in this too I can see it creeping over. Really hope I'm wrong though.

[bub838]

One of the better RCs has to be 701-725. Should help with value. Looks like I might be getting this instead of series 1 depending on price. My guess is $95 per.

Right there with you. Would much rather rip this than 2025 S1.

[erock28]

One of the better RCs has to be 701-725. Should help with value. Looks like I might be getting this instead of series 1 depending on price. My guess is $95 per.

I would love this - though it would break the mold from recent HHN releases. There are enough good rookies in this years set to put one or even two in the SP set and still have the base set hold some value.

[erock28]

The release schedule is 100% broken. It’s ridiculous.

I'm 100% with you. Not sure why they can't have anticipated release dates 3-6 months out like Topps used to.

[scotchtape0]

No if only we can also have 2024 Topps Japan all will be right

[mikejones]

I hope they do keep pricing under $100/box, but if they put mini in this too I can see it creeping over. Really hope I'm wrong though.

Regular heritage was under $100 so this should be under I'm hoping. I passed on a case during release at $90 per. Just picked up a few boxes. For this, if it's under $100, I'm probably getting a case. If not, then a couple of boxes.

[hermanotarjeta]

Which will we see first? Langford, Skenes, and the Jackson’s Heritage Rookie cards or their 2nd year Heritage cards?

Great point!

Are the 2024 heritage high still rookie cards if the 2025 heritage cards come out first?

[StateEx]

It'll be interesting to see if they do a reduced print run versus prior years and/or how they manage the release with 2025 S1 and 2025 Heritage.

[ClevelandIC]

This should be $79.99 per box or less, checklist be damned.

[PeteD]

I hope they do keep pricing under $100/box, but if they put mini in this too I can see it creeping over. Really hope I'm wrong though.

If they do insert minis with regular i hope it's at least 3 per pack.

[base set]

The regular minis had an insert not included in full sized Heritage - the “75 Fall Classic” - so I expect a full size version of those cards. Could make for some pretty good auto checklist action too.

[tdlindgren]

Hope they do an Ohtani/Judge 2024 MVP card.

[sandyfrank]

Very happy for this!

[Jsquared123]

https://x.com/DaleMurphy3/status/1882487937738424457/video/3

He's signing 77s... Is heritage skipping a year? :confused:

[erock28]

https://x.com/DaleMurphy3/status/1882487937738424457/video/3

He's signing 77s... Is heritage skipping a year? :confused:

Good eye. Honestly - and this is just gut thought, no insight - it could be that Topps/Fanatics is trying to maybe maximize the amount of signatures trey get in one effort. Since the 77 design is a given, there is no other thought that goes into making the veteran autos. If they can print them now and get them in inventory to avoid a future redemption (or much much worse something tragic happened to Dale), it's a smart move. If anything, this could bode well for the rumors that Heritage might be on the chopping block...why make cards for a set two years into the future unless you plan on making the set?

[crdbored]

https://x.com/DaleMurphy3/status/1882487937738424457/video/3

He's signing 77s... Is heritage skipping a year? :confused:

Geez, the print run in that Tribute set. RIP lol Love that he just tosses one of those cards.

Hoping for a stand alone mini set like regular heritage but doubt it'll happen this late in the 2024 product cycle.

[Jsquared123]

Good eye. Honestly - and this is just gut thought, no insight - it could be that Topps/Fanatics is trying to maybe maximize the amount of signatures trey get in one effort. Since the 77 design is a given, there is no other thought that goes into making the veteran autos. If they can print them now and get them in inventory to avoid a future redemption (or much much worse something tragic happened to Dale), it's a smart move. If anything, this could bode well for the rumors that Heritage might be on the chopping block...why make cards for a set two years into the future unless you plan on making the set?

That's a possibility. We'll have to keep our eyes open for Eck or anyone else who should be signers for 76. if your theory is right, at least we'll know we have heritage for 2 more seasons minimum.

[rudan007]

https://x.com/DaleMurphy3/status/1882487937738424457/video/3

He's signing 77s... Is heritage skipping a year? :confused:

I hope they are just getting them a year before so that they can be ready for next year on time. Hope they don't start skipping years......

At any rate, that card looks awesome!

[mfw13]

This should be $79.99 per box or less, checklist be damned.

Agreed.

[Skipscards]

https://x.com/DaleMurphy3/status/1882487937738424457/video/3

He's signing 77s... Is heritage skipping a year? :confused:

I'm sure they are just getting ahead. But I LOVE that he's inscribing the cards with a serial number of 3! That is fantastic. I also didn't realize he wrote left handed.

[87toppsproject]

https://x.com/DaleMurphy3/status/1882487937738424457/video/3

He's signing 77s... Is heritage skipping a year? :confused:

The label on the box end appears to read 77RO-DM, Dale Murphy, 2025 Topps Herirage BB.

And Dale says here is the 2025 Topps Heritage.

[Hollywood42]

It'll be interesting to see if they do a reduced print run versus prior years and/or how they manage the release with 2025 S1 and 2025 Heritage.

:cry:

[bub838]

It’s possible he’s signing ahead of time for 2026. Kind of think 2025 would already have autos back by now? Just thinking out loud.

[mfw13]

The label on the box end appears to read 77RO-DM, Dale Murphy, 2025 Topps Herirage BB.

And Dale says here is the 2025 Topps Heritage.

It would be crazy if they randomly decided to skip the 1976 design.....but then Topps/Fanatics has plenty of idiots amongst it's upper management :doh:.

[rudan007]

The label on the box end appears to read 77RO-DM, Dale Murphy, 2025 Topps Herirage BB.

And Dale says here is the 2025 Topps Heritage.

If Dale Murphy is right, I wonder if killing the continuity of Heritage would effectively hurt the market for it? Part of the attraction to Heritage is the tradition/continuation of the set.

76 Design wasn't horrible(about par with 77). Would not make any sense to skip a year......

[Americards]

The label on the box end appears to read 77RO-DM, Dale Murphy, 2025 Topps Herirage BB.

And Dale says here is the 2025 Topps Heritage.
Unless Topps is telling him that so he will sign the cards now and not wait til next year

[Twalk1975]

When Rickey Henderson died, I remember thinking about the fact that there will not be a 1980 ROA for him. Morbid thought, but since the card designs are already predetermined, maybe Topps should get the stuff signed while they can and put them in the vault til they're needed.

[MotorboatJones]

Lets goooooooooo !

[BlowoutBuzz]

When Rickey Henderson died, I remember thinking about the fact that there will not be a 1980 ROA for him. Morbid thought, but since the card designs are already predetermined, maybe Topps should get the stuff signed while they can and put them in the vault til they're needed.

Planning would be nice ... I had that thought a couple years ago. Hank Aaron should have been a showcase auto in the 1974 and 1975 remakes. Rickey 100% in 1980.

Drawback: Working in advance also costs extra $ not recouped until later.

[nicktuck]

Topps just shared what they described as a first look at 2024 heritage high number.

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[ObanMontecristo]

nice card- wouldn’t mind getting that one!

[NickyCards]

I love heritage dual autos

[MotorboatJones]

I love heritage dual autos

Me too…pulled this from a $45 clearance hobby box of HHN in late 2023…

https://i.postimg.cc/yYr481vC/IMG-5910.jpg (https://postimg.cc/yk9rfzML)

[glassofwater]

When will heritage do a reboot? and go back to 52? 1982?

[DioBrando]

When will heritage do a reboot? and go back to 52? 1982?

I don't think they will reboot it. Can see them do another 52 retro type set though

[mgip21]

Me too…pulled this from a $45 clearance hobby box of HHN in late 2023…

https://i.postimg.cc/yYr481vC/IMG-5910.jpg (https://postimg.cc/yk9rfzML)

Wow!! Congrats!! Thank awesome!!

[PuddleMonkey]

Who's that scrub next to Nolan?

[premium1981]

Who's that scrub next to Nolan?

He's actually pretty good. Can you imagine how many World Series the Angels would have won if he was on the same team with Mike Trout and Albert Pujols? That team would have been unstoppable.

[Jboff73]

I hope they are just getting them a year before so that they can be ready for next year on time. Hope they don't start skipping years......


I love the thought that someone at Topps is just now realizing that they skipped '76 accidentally after the cards have printed and autos are being signed.

[mfw13]

When will heritage do a reboot? and go back to 52? 1982?

It already has....it's called Platinum Anniversary....:D

[FatButcher]

Apologies if this was mentioned in one of the threads that is being used for 2024 HHN, but is there a release date in mind yet for this?

[edclay]

Apologies if this was mentioned in one of the threads that is being used for 2024 HHN, but is there a release date in mind yet for this?

I think I remember reading it will be released at the end of March.

[FatButcher]

I guess that makes sense that they want to give Series 1 a chance to run awhile before this comes out. Maybe they delay 25 Heritage enough to not need HHN next time?

[cardmike]

Any update on this? Is this still coming in March?

[bub838]

Any update on this? Is this still coming in March?

Hopefully pre orders coming soon

[RoyalsCollector]

Can't wait to see these at $250/box on the secondary market. /s

[premium1981]

Can't wait to see these at $250/box on the secondary market. /s

This is HHN. 2023 moves at around $40 now. 2022 with Jrod and Witt are around $60 a box. 2024 will come out strong but HHN doesn't hold value in todays market like other products. Topps would have to create a breaker friendly format to change that. Now if they did HHN Jumbo boxes/cases that would be a game changer for the wax price. But otherwise, its too time consuming and boring for the breaker world. And this is coming from someone who LOVES Heritage products. It gets boring fast. Should come out around $100 a box, and it getting hot would be $150 a box. They will never be $250 a box unless the product is changed dramatically or they introduce some sort of "big incentive buyback raffle win a new house" lottery card.

[carlo16]

This is HHN. 2023 moves at around $40 now. 2022 with Jrod and Witt are around $60 a box. 2024 will come out strong but HHN doesn't hold value in todays market like other products. Topps would have to create a breaker friendly format to change that. Now if they did HHN Jumbo boxes/cases that would be a game changer for the wax price. But otherwise, its too time consuming and boring for the breaker world. And this is coming from someone who LOVES Heritage products. It gets boring fast. Should come out around $100 a box, and it getting hot would be $150 a box. They will never be $250 a box unless the product is changed dramatically or they introduce some sort of "big incentive buyback raffle win a new house" lottery card.

You think the Minis will keep prices stronger ?

[premium1981]

You think the Minis will keep prices stronger ?

Do we know they are going to be in it? I may have missed it, but I haven't seen any specifics at all.

[bub838]

Do we know they are going to be in it? I may have missed it, but I haven't seen any specifics at all.

We don’t know for sure, it’s just conjecture.

[premium1981]

We don’t know for sure, it’s just conjecture.

Even with them, it won't take the boxes to $250. Not even close. I do not see any scenario that allows that price to happen outside of a new jumbo configuration.

[kyle1707]

I don’t see jumbos. But I could see them doing breakers delights

Every box has auto variation and chrome for 250’a box

They are going to turn every single card into a gambling chip if it kills them

[erock28]

I don’t see jumbos. But I could see them doing breakers delights

Every box has auto variation and chrome for 250’a box

They are going to turn every single card into a gambling chip if it kills them

Please don't give them any stupid ideas. They've ruined all three Bowman releases for the casual collector...I can't lose Heritage as well!

[premium1981]

I don’t see jumbos. But I could see them doing breakers delights

Every box has auto variation and chrome for 250’a box

They are going to turn every single card into a gambling chip if it kills them

I don't see it either, I'm just saying it would take something DIFFERENT than what we currently have to make prices spike to those levels.

[BlowoutBuzz]

1894519394786566587

[bub838]

Oh no

[OhioLawyerF5]

Oh no:doh:

This will probably anger more people than getting rid of blacks. Bad move in my opinion.

[glassofwater]

:doh:

This will probably anger more people than getting rid of blacks. Bad move in my opinion.

Can someone explain?

[Hollywood42]

Looks bad

[saferseas]

The usual bottom of the '75 card is at the top, for some reason?

[timber63401]

Just wow if all the cards are like this.

[mfw13]

What is this, some weird Franken-card?

Brett already had autos in regular Heritage.....

[OhioLawyerF5]

Can someone explain?Instead of the original 75 design where the colors are divided along a horizontal line on the sides of the card, resulting in the bottom half being one color and the top half being another. These do it where the sides are different colors instead. Just looks weird.

[StateEx]

What if all the cards look like that?

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Looking at that Brett makes my eyes hurt....wtf..

[rudan007]

1894519394786566587

Thats both interesting and unnecessary.....


Looks like an Upper Deck Vintage design rip-off from the early 00s.

[MotorboatJones]

Looking at that Brett makes my eyes hurt....wtf..

Seriously. That Brett :doh:

What are they actually thinking…

[ThoseBackPages]

gimmics bro

Ten X!

[MotorboatJones]

It sucks. Why not just make the borders checkerboard. Absolutely horrible. This isn’t Project 2020.it would be better if they kept the design the same and changed the image.

[PuddleMonkey]

Arrest & Prosecute

[mikejones]

1894519394786566587

I guess they are really trying to get rid of heritage after all? That looks hideous. At least try to make the color break even.

[ObanMontecristo]

Heritage has always stayed pretty true to the original design, maybe (hopefully) this is just some kind of SP variation?

[bub838]

Heritage has always stayed pretty true to the original design, maybe (hopefully) this is just some kind of SP variation?

It’s called the “reverse” auto per Topps twitter.

[OhioLawyerF5]

It’s called the “reverse” auto per Topps twitter.

Ok, so just a weird variation. I guess that's not so bad. If they were all like that, it would have been a disaster.

[ScooterD]

At least put the color split in the middle of the card - for the sake of our OCD

[PoPCulture]

That Brett card is the result of a meeting where a Topps project manager asked their team “So…what can we do to make people stop talking about flagship black parallels”?

[whitmm]

At least put the color split in the middle of the card - for the sake of our OCD

But the split on the regular card isn't in the middle.

[base set]

I just want a simple thing in HHN: legible card backs.

[BlowoutBuzz]

Reactions are lighter than I thought they would be. This card really, really bugs me.

[BlowoutBuzz]

I just want a simple thing in HHN: legible card backs.

Word.

[JoshMN]

They already did a "standard" 1975 Brett auto in both regular 2024 Heritage and the mini version. So the decision was probably either 1) not include Brett at all in HHN or 2) do a different version of the card so they would not just be reproducing a card they already released a few months ago. A different image was one option, but they went with the classic Brett image and instead changed the border design (keeping colors the same).

Sounds like y'all think "no Brett" would have been the better choice.

[mfw13]

Sounds like y'all think "no Brett" would have been the better choice.

Well, it's been pretty standard for the entire history of Heritage that players get one auto per year, either in low number OR high number.

Very few players, if any, have had two different autos in the same Heritage year.

For me, at least, having Ryan, Yount, Reggie Jackson, Yaz, Judge, Betts, Acuna, Kershaw, Verlander, and Scherzer autos is much more important than having a second Brett auto.

And I would like to see 3D inserts for Hank Aaron, Yount, Seaver, Reggie, Yaz, Verlander, Scherzer, Trout, and Witt.

[NYBBFAN]

Arrest & Prosecute

This is an under-reaction. As far as the variations are concerned…

https://media.tenor.com/_G58aIEKohgAAAAM/you-can-keep-that-nora-finley-cullen.gif

[ThoseBackPages]

should have made an OPC Auto

[OhioLawyerF5]

should have made an OPC AutoThat is a fantastic idea! I now really hope they do this for future sets.

[ScooterD]

But the split on the regular card isn't in the middle.

You’re right - but I guess that it shows more lopsided on the vertical than horizontal

[Skipscards]

The card is awful. They call it reverse because the team is on the bottom and the name/position is on the top. That would have been enough. But, no, let's also rotate the color scheme 90 degrees for no reason.

Look, I'm happy they convinced King George to sign for 2024 Heritage. That was victory enough. But seriously, they have taken an iconic card and ruined it. What's next a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle variation where he looks like Whistler's Mother from Bean?

[scotchtape0]

If any of you who are posting about how terrible the Brett auto looks ends up pulling it, I'll happily take it off your hands to spare you from the horror, for no charge

[auctionjmm]

The card is awful. They call it reverse because the team is on the bottom and the name/position is on the top. That would have been enough. But, no, let's also rotate the color scheme 90 degrees for no reason.

Look, I'm happy they convinced King George to sign for 2024 Heritage. That was victory enough. But seriously, they have taken an iconic card and ruined it. What's next a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle variation where he looks like Whistler's Mother from Bean?

That's a bit dramatic. You can't "ruin" an iconic card. The 75 will always exist. The legit Heritage RO auto will always exist.

What an artist does with a reprint/variation/gimmick cannot ruin the original. We have like 7 or 8 different Project 2020 versions already. Why would THIS be the card that sends you over the edge?

Or are you more a fan of this...

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2KEAAOSwdCVe-EBD/s-l1600.webp

[Hollywood42]

There are at least a handful of instances of them putting the exact same autograph in both Heritage and HHN, with no differences whatsoever besides production code. Not at all saying that's a good thing or something they should actively try to do, but it has happened :p

They already did a "standard" 1975 Brett auto in both regular 2024 Heritage and the mini version. So the decision was probably either 1) not include Brett at all in HHN or 2) do a different version of the card so they would not just be reproducing a card they already released a few months ago. A different image was one option, but they went with the classic Brett image and instead changed the border design (keeping colors the same).

[OhioLawyerF5]

That's a bit dramatic. You can't "ruin" an iconic card. The 75 will always exist. The legit Heritage RO auto will always exist.



What an artist does with a reprint/variation/gimmick cannot ruin the original. We have like 7 or 8 different Project 2020 versions already. Why would THIS be the card that sends you over the edge?



Or are you more a fan of this...



https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2KEAAOSwdCVe-EBD/s-l1600.webpI'm pretty sure he wasn't saying they ruined the original 75 Topps card. He was saying the new version is ruined by taking a great design and making it horrible.

[MotorboatJones]

They already did a "standard" 1975 Brett auto in both regular 2024 Heritage and the mini version. So the decision was probably either 1) not include Brett at all in HHN or 2) do a different version of the card so they would not just be reproducing a card they already released a few months ago. A different image was one option, but they went with the classic Brett image and instead changed the border design (keeping colors the same).

Sounds like y'all think "no Brett" would have been the better choice.

No Brett in HHN would definitely be better

[auctionjmm]

I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying they ruined the original 75 Topps card. He was saying the new version is ruined by taking a great design and making it horrible.

That's the exact same thing. He's comparing the original to the gimmick. He's saying they ruined the original "iconic" card by creating a gimmick that he believes is an awful interpretation of the original. I am simply arguing that an artist interpretation can't ruin what has already been done well. Just like a horrible movie re-make can't ruin the original. People may not like it, but its existence doesn't change history. It's another gimmick in a long list of Heritage gimmicks, probably one in 20,000 packs, that few will ever pull. He can open ten cases of Heritage and likely not pull even one of the reverse autos. It's not significant enough to be upset about. It won't affect anyone's collecting experience. It won't ruin the product.

[OhioLawyerF5]

That's the exact same thing. He's comparing the original to the gimmick. He's saying they ruined the original "iconic" card by creating a gimmick that he believes is an awful interpretation of the original. I am simply arguing that an artist interpretation can't ruin what has already been done well. Just like a horrible movie re-make can't ruin the original. People may not like it, but its existence doesn't change history. It's another gimmick in a long list of Heritage gimmicks, probably one in 20,000 packs, that few will ever pull. He can open ten cases of Heritage and likely not pull even one of the reverse autos. It's not significant enough to be upset about. It won't affect anyone's collecting experience. It won't ruin the product.

It's not the same thing. He is not commenting on the state of the original at all. It is still the same iconic card it always was. He was referring to the remake being ruined. Perhaps not the best term to use, but he was comparing what they actually produced, to what they could have produced, to say their choice was ruinous. I don't think for one second he is suggesting he views the original in any different light because of the crappy remake. He probably should have said they ruined an iconic DESIGN rather than saying the ruined an iconic card. Maybe that would clear up your confusion in thinking he thinks the original is ruined now.

It's clear you don't quite understand the concept, so I'll stop and let him comment if he wants to.

[BlowoutBuzz]

They could have easily just done another Brett auto with ... a different photo.

[auctionjmm]

It's not the same thing. He is not commenting on the state of the original at all. It is still the same iconic card it always was. He was referring to the remake being ruined. Perhaps not the best term to use, but he was comparing what they actually produced, to what they could have produced, to say their choice was ruinous. I don't think for one second he is suggesting he views the original in any different light because of the crappy remake. He probably should have said they ruined an iconic DESIGN rather than saying the ruined an iconic card. Maybe that would clear up your confusion in thinking he thinks the original is ruined now.

It's clear you don't quite understand the concept, so I'll stop and let him comment if he wants to.

I agree with you. You just took what I said too literally by believing that I took what he said too literally and wrapped yourself up in it. My point still remains. There is a reason this card is striking a nerve with people and I personally think it is overdramatic. If it was any other product, a poorly designed SSP might not garner a single comment. This is about the 1975 purists not liking the fact that anyone would play with an iconic design. It's silly to me that it would bother people to this extent for the fact that, as I said, the original will always still exist. Now, if the entire product was done this way I would totally understand. I just can't comprehend why an unannounced SP autograph would unnerve anyone, no matter what it looks like.

[OhioLawyerF5]

I agree with you. You just took what I said too literally by believing that I took what he said too literally and wrapped yourself up in it. My point still remains. There is a reason this card is striking a nerve with people and I personally think it is overdramatic. If it was any other product, a poorly designed SSP might not garner a single comment. This is about the 1975 purists not liking the fact that anyone would play with an iconic design. It's silly to me that it would bother people to this extent for the fact that, as I said, the original will always still exist. Now, if the entire product was done this way I would totally understand. I just can't comprehend why an unannounced SP autograph would unnerve anyone, no matter what it looks like.

I'm not a 75 purist (in fact, this might be blasphemy, but I don't care for the design), but this is hideous. Does it affect me in any way? No. I won't lose sleep over it. But that doesn't mean I can't be critical of it. It's bad.

[Natsfan32]

Still no word on a release date?

[bub838]

Still no word on a release date?

March 26th

[erock28]

March 26th

Where did you see this?

[JoshMN]

No Brett in HHN would definitely be better

Yeah- that's fair. Legit take from anyone with a 1975 card in their BO avatar.

The marketing folks at Topps obviously disagree. No disrespect meant to Yount, but including him in the HHN pre-sale marketing is just not going to have the same effect as Brett. Even if it is a FrankenBrett. Actually, a FrankenBrett that pisses people off may have a bigger positive marketing effect than anything else, but that is probably a conversation for another day.

[bub838]

Where did you see this?

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpost.php?p=19826875&postcount=412

[erock28]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpost.php?p=19826875&postcount=412

Nice! Thanks for bringing this to the thread - gives me something card wise to look forward to in March!

[MotorboatJones]

They could have easily just done another Brett auto with ... a different photo.

EXACTLY

[MotorboatJones]

I mean, I honestly don’t care all that much. It just looks goofy to me and I don’t really like the altered design. At least it gives us something to discuss seeing as they are horrible at releasing any actual information about the HHN release.

[The Third Eye]

I mean, I honestly don’t care all that much. It just looks goofy to me and I don’t really like the altered design. At least it gives us something to discuss seeing as they are horrible at releasing any actual information about the HHN release.

I saw the solicitation today from Topps and it claimed the minis would be inserted into the product. Now we can speculate and discuss that, instead of that gnarly Brett auto.

[MotorboatJones]

I’m a buyer of minis, that’s for sure. At what frequency will they be inserted and how many…those are the questions…

[ThoseBackPages]

with these releasing this late i wonder if they will be on the black friday sale

[NYBBFAN]

I saw the solicitation today from Topps and it claimed the minis would be inserted into the product. Now we can speculate and discuss that, instead of that gnarly Brett auto.

Sigh.

[ObanMontecristo]

I saw the solicitation today from Topps and it claimed the minis would be inserted into the product. Now we can speculate and discuss that, instead of that gnarly Brett auto.

Link, please? This is very disappointing, since I really loved the separate mini release

[auctionjmm]

This could be very interesting. If they simply return to the mini /100, that would be pretty boring. Hard to go back on something that was so popular.

But if the minis are 1 per pack or something like they are in Ginter, with parallels, autos, etc. that could be amazing.

[ObanMontecristo]

Nevermind, I think I found it- looks like minis will be of all 225 cards, and as one form of inserts…

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[JoshMN]

Bummer that there's no separate mini release. There are going to be a lot of minis stuck in boxes in warehouses for many years... on the other hand this version of Heritage might be more fun to rip (for fans of minis).

[auctionjmm]

Bummer that there's no separate mini release. There are going to be a lot of minis stuck in boxes in warehouses for many years... on the other hand this version of Heritage might be more fun to rip (for fans of minis).

EDIT: Looks crazy for Chrome too. The language is a little confusing. Seems like they are making the entire 725 card set chrome. 100 from regular Heritage, with the remaining 625 in this release. Plus the new color border stuff. It sure looks like fun. Curious to see how the market absorbs all of this content packed into a single release.

[bub838]

EDIT: Looks crazy for Chrome too. The language is a little confusing. Seems like they are making the entire 725 card set chrome. 100 from regular Heritage, with the remaining 625 in this release. Plus the new color border stuff. It sure looks like fun. Curious to see how the market absorbs all of this content packed into a single release.

This is how I'm reading it as well. Everyone gets a /699. Makes sense, I guess since they're stuffing more chrome into each box. I'd rather they just stick to the HHN checklist and make less boxes.

[bub838]

It's going to be a real pain in the ass to make a Mini set. *Guessing* two per box... will take 6 cases with perfect collation.

[base set]

I’m glad I picked up the key cards (Fisk) I wanted from the “75 Fall Classic” inserts in the previous minis release. I thought for sure they would simply issue those in full size HHN, but what if they didn’t? Still possible with the “few more surprises” tagline.

[BlowoutBuzz]

Item is updated with full info.

The full details are in ...

First Buzz: 2024 Topps Heritage High Number baseball cards (updated) >> https://www.blowoutcards.com/blog/first-buzz-2024-topps-heritage-high-number-mlb

[FatButcher]

Hope the additional chrome per box and color parallels aren't trying to entice breakers to get more into this.

I love ripping a few cases and building sets, I'm not into Heritage for "hitz". As long as pricing doesn't jump I'll give this one more try.

[Skipscards]

That's a bit dramatic. You can't "ruin" an iconic card. The 75 will always exist. The legit Heritage RO auto will always exist.

What an artist does with a reprint/variation/gimmick cannot ruin the original. We have like 7 or 8 different Project 2020 versions already. Why would THIS be the card that sends you over the edge?

Or are you more a fan of this...

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2KEAAOSwdCVe-EBD/s-l1600.webp

Yeah, that's awful too.

[Skipscards]

I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying they ruined the original 75 Topps card. He was saying the new version is ruined by taking a great design and making it horrible.

That's the exact same thing. He's comparing the original to the gimmick. He's saying they ruined the original "iconic" card by creating a gimmick that he believes is an awful interpretation of the original. I am simply arguing that an artist interpretation can't ruin what has already been done well. Just like a horrible movie re-make can't ruin the original. People may not like it, but its existence doesn't change history. It's another gimmick in a long list of Heritage gimmicks, probably one in 20,000 packs, that few will ever pull. He can open ten cases of Heritage and likely not pull even one of the reverse autos. It's not significant enough to be upset about. It won't affect anyone's collecting experience. It won't ruin the product.

It's not the same thing. He is not commenting on the state of the original at all. It is still the same iconic card it always was. He was referring to the remake being ruined. Perhaps not the best term to use, but he was comparing what they actually produced, to what they could have produced, to say their choice was ruinous. I don't think for one second he is suggesting he views the original in any different light because of the crappy remake. He probably should have said they ruined an iconic DESIGN rather than saying the ruined an iconic card. Maybe that would clear up your confusion in thinking he thinks the original is ruined now.

It's clear you don't quite understand the concept, so I'll stop and let him comment if he wants to.

I agree with you. You just took what I said too literally by believing that I took what he said too literally and wrapped yourself up in it. My point still remains. There is a reason this card is striking a nerve with people and I personally think it is overdramatic. If it was any other product, a poorly designed SSP might not garner a single comment. This is about the 1975 purists not liking the fact that anyone would play with an iconic design. It's silly to me that it would bother people to this extent for the fact that, as I said, the original will always still exist. Now, if the entire product was done this way I would totally understand. I just can't comprehend why an unannounced SP autograph would unnerve anyone, no matter what it looks like.

Guys, I really appreciate the exchange. The impetus for my post was Buzz' post that reactions were lighter than he thought they'd be. So, I decided to come off the top rope and have a little fun.

That being said, we are card collectors. Of course we're overdramatic. These are important issues we're dealing with here. I'd rather debate this stuff 24/7 than anything else.

For the record, the rotation of the border bugs me a lot, though not nearly as much as that Topps Project card posted. That thing absolutely ruins an iconic card!

[bad0165]

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[mfw13]

Looks like no more 3D's, which sucks.....

And no sign of Yount.....

[Skipscards]

Bummer that there's no separate mini release. There are going to be a lot of minis stuck in boxes in warehouses for many years... on the other hand this version of Heritage might be more fun to rip (for fans of minis).

Yeah, bummer. Reading through the sell sheet makes my head spin. There's never been a high number as complicated as this one. Reminds me a little of 2010 with all the stupid dice back cards and variations. That set is a nightmare to complete. This looks like it's going to be a pain as well. Trying to figure out what a master set is and what I'll actually bother trying to complete.

[Skipscards]

Item is updated with full info.

The full details are in ...

First Buzz: 2024 Topps Heritage High Number baseball cards (updated) >> https://www.blowoutcards.com/blog/first-buzz-2024-topps-heritage-high-number-mlb

$1,300 for a case of high number? Yikes.

[mfw13]

This is how I'm reading it as well. Everyone gets a /699. Makes sense, I guess since they're stuffing more chrome into each box. I'd rather they just stick to the HHN checklist and make less boxes.

Makes it virtually impossible for anyone to complete a Chrome set, something which many collectors have done in the past.....

[mfw13]

$1,300 for a case of high number? Yikes.

That's $110/box.....anybody who pays that must have a lot of extra cash sitting around.....

Hope 2025 Flagship isn't priced that high....

[mfw13]

Plus the new color border stuff.

All the color border stuff is just Topps' attempt to create the appearance of value where none exists.....

Heritage was much better when it was just Chromes, Refractors, and Black Refractors....all the other colors are just junk.....

[ObanMontecristo]

Yeah, bummer. Reading through the sell sheet makes my head spin. There's never been a high number as complicated as this one. Reminds me a little of 2010 with all the stupid dice back cards and variations. That set is a nightmare to complete. This looks like it's going to be a pain as well. Trying to figure out what a master set is and what I'll actually bother trying to complete.

I’m with you. I wish the format was the same as base Heritage & Mini- The ‘75 design is my all-time favorite, and i was building the master base set, the Refractors /575 (which look like they’re gone?), and a master, master Mini set (I’ve got all the SPs, Inserts, Variations and Autos from regular Heritage Mini).

If this is becoming a breakers’ product with more chromes/inserts, etc., maybe that’ll result in more singles being ripped/sold, which could help completing the mini set- although sealed wax prices could rise

[premium1981]

Priced too high for Heritage High. If you see a rare single you like you better grab it. I think less of this will be opened than previous years. Makes me sad, but I will not be opening for the first time ever. It just isn’t worth that much. After the new wears off breakers won’t be able to sell it either.

[kyle1707]

Would not doubt on release day or week after if it’s 119.99 or 129.99

I’m so close to be done. I don’t even care anymore.

When the collectors all leave and the gamblers are broke

What is the plan then ?

[mfw13]

Topps/Fanatics well on their way to ruining the one product that is almost impossible to ruin......:doh:

[mfw13]

Would not doubt on release day or week after if it’s 119.99 or 129.99

I’m so close to be done. I don’t even care anymore.

When the collectors all leave and the gamblers are broke

What is the plan then ?

It's becoming more and more apprarent by the day that Fanatics has no long-term vision, nor any operational competence.

I'm guessing that their plan is to sell to private equity....

[premium1981]

Would not doubt on release day or week after if it’s 119.99 or 129.99

I’m so close to be done. I don’t even care anymore.

When the collectors all leave and the gamblers are broke

What is the plan then ?

With all due respect, it doesn’t matter if you leave. Doesn’t matter if i leave. The hobby is hotter than it has ever been and more people are coming in than ever. You or I may not like what it looks like now, but others do. Blowout is a tiny fraction of a percent of the hobby. We can all leave and it won’t change anything at all. The plan is for them to grow the overall hobby and that’s what they have done.

[premium1981]

It's becoming more and more apprarent by the day that Fanatics has no long-term vision, nor any operational competence....

There is far more thought and planning going into things now than before Fanatics bought Topps. Not liking the direction is not the same as not having a direction.

[ThoseBackPages]

With all due respect, it doesn’t matter if you leave. Doesn’t matter if i leave. The hobby is hotter than it has ever been and more people are coming in than ever. You or I may not like what it looks like now, but others do. Blowout is a tiny fraction of a percent of the hobby. We can all leave and it won’t change anything at all. The plan is for them to grow the overall hobby and that’s what they have done.

this is so factual it should be pinned to the top of every thread.

[bub838]

There is far more thought and planning going into things now than before Fanatics bought Topps. Not liking the direction is not the same as not having a direction.

Can you pin this to mossy's forehead.

[bub838]

So when will preorder be available for this


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We're a month out and more details have been released, probably next week.

BO being at $115, I'd guess Topps preorder is $90/$1080

[jduds]

There is far more thought and planning going into things now than before Fanatics bought Topps. Not liking the direction is not the same as not having a direction.

I agree entirely for Fanatics baseball efforts, but Heritage has been floundering in recent years and can't figure out who to cater to and this looks like more confusion. Heritage has gotten to the point that there is no need to buy it early as it is either the same price or cheaper later. That's a sign something is way wrong with a product IMO. This year has done better with the 1975 design and killer rookie class, but I still think boxes will dip a good bit eventually as they are just printing too much of a watered-down product. This is the one product in Topps catalog that needs the most TLC.

[jduds]

I’m with you. I wish the format was the same as base Heritage & Mini- The ‘75 design is my all-time favorite, and i was building the master base set, the Refractors /575 (which look like they’re gone?), and a master, master Mini set (I’ve got all the SPs, Inserts, Variations and Autos from regular Heritage Mini).

If this is becoming a breakers’ product with more chromes/inserts, etc., maybe that’ll result in more singles being ripped/sold, which could help completing the mini set- although sealed wax prices could rise

A few extra chromes won't make this attractive to breakers. Heritage is one most breakers shy away from and I don't see anything new to change that here unless Topps secretly funnels a ton of it to them cheaply (posssible) to get it going. The Mini chase could be interesting as there are a LOT of folks building that set this year. I think the Mini crowd would hoover this up if they had 10 minis a box. I'm not sure how much they'll buy if it is just two.

[rfgilles]

Has Heritage High ever included action base variations for players in Heritage (regular)?This is the first year that Francisco Lindor doesn't have an Action Variation.

Given that they are including Chromes for all players, maybe additional variations are possible?

[bub838]

A few extra chromes won't make this attractive to breakers. Heritage is one most breakers shy away from and I don't see anything new to change that here unless Topps secretly funnels a ton of it to them cheaply (posssible) to get it going. The Mini chase could be interesting as there are a LOT of folks building that set this year. I think the Mini crowd would hoover this up if they had 10 minis a box. I'm not sure how much they'll buy if it is just two.

Nearly every breaker on Fanatics Live will be breaking this at release. Breakers break Heritage, I don't know why this idea that they don't break it persists. They may not like breaking it but they have allocations they have to get through.

[bub838]

I want to know if /699 /75 /5 /1 are the only chrome, or if they will also be including /999 /575 /375 from the first release.

If it's the former, there won't be much of this made at 5 chrome per box (I doubt this is the case.)

[whitmm]

Nearly every breaker on Fanatics Live will be breaking this at release. Breakers break Heritage, I don't know why this idea that they don't break it persists. They may not like breaking it but they have allocations they have to get through.

And plenty of people will buy into breaks because of the RC autos that will be in it.

[mfw13]

The hobby is hotter than it has ever been and more people are coming in than ever.

Do have any evidence to support this assertion?

And what percentage of these "people coming in" are actually collectors, as opposed to flippers trying to make a quick buck?

At some point, all the breakers/gamblers/flippers are either going to run into financial trouble and/or going to move on.....who's going to support Fanatics then if all the collectors have left?

[StlBen]

And what percentage of these "people coming in" are actually collectors, as opposed to flippers trying to make a quick buck?

There is only a market for flippers if there is collectors. Like the flippers are selling to someone.....

[ObanMontecristo]

A few extra chromes won't make this attractive to breakers. Heritage is one most breakers shy away from and I don't see anything new to change that here unless Topps secretly funnels a ton of it to them cheaply (posssible) to get it going. The Mini chase could be interesting as there are a LOT of folks building that set this year. I think the Mini crowd would hoover this up if they had 10 minis a box. I'm not sure how much they'll buy if it is just two.


It’s more than a few extra chromes- before, you’d be lucky to get 1 chrome per 2 boxes. What they’re doing with extra parallels/inserts here just screams to me that they’re trying to make it a breaker product

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[FatButcher]

There is only a market for flippers if there is collectors. Like the flippers are selling to someone.....

It certainly feels like in football/basketball the flippers are just selling to each other hoping to inflate prices without being the one holding the bag.

The true collector base with baseball is much larger, but it does feel like its tilting towards "bag holding" avoidance as the goal instead of collecting more and more.

It was well said earlier that me or you or any one person on this board won't move the needle, but I'm definitely moving towards other areas of the hobby. My habits were opening a good amount of the products breakers don't love (Heritage, Pro Debut, some flagship) that are base heavy. This will likely be the last product I do that, only hanging around for the 1975 design and to complete sets I started with the initial release.

[Skipscards]

Do have any evidence to support this assertion?

And what percentage of these "people coming in" are actually collectors, as opposed to flippers trying to make a quick buck?

At some point, all the breakers/gamblers/flippers are either going to run into financial trouble and/or going to move on.....who's going to support Fanatics then if all the collectors have left?

I would suspect there are more people buying product but, yeah, there may be fewer "collectors". The process works like this:

Breaker opens product
Customer hits something big
Breaker buys big hit from customer at a discount
Customer is happy to have instant cash to make up for the losses on other breaks
Breaker inserts big card in one of their repack products
Someone else hits same big card
Breaker buys big hit from customer at a discount
Repeat

[base set]

I will enjoy ripping a Hobby, and some “Value” whatevers. “Mega” or just “Blaster” ?

I won’t be building the Minis from this so would prefer to pass those along to anyone else on here trying that.

I would like to buy one Superfractor from this, and one Gold. Player not important, scrubbier the better.

[jduds]

It’s more than a few extra chromes- before, you’d be lucky to get 1 chrome per 2 boxes. What they’re doing with extra parallels/inserts here just screams to me that they’re trying to make it a breaker product

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I think it’s more just trying to add some value to a very watered down product in general. Breakers won’t start breaking Heritage for an extra three Chrome a box. If Topps was gearing Heritage towards breakers, you’d see more autos, case hit inserts, sketch cards, and rare game-used hits (those four attract breakers) added with the amount of base declining. There are changes but none I would say are explicitly geared towards breakers who will most likely continue to largely ignore it.


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[jbriskin05]

These changes could make Heritage a better product going forward...it makes no sense to me to change the format midyear...they should have held these over until 2025 Heritage instead

[mfw13]

There is only a market for flippers if there is collectors. Like the flippers are selling to someone.....

Yes....but often it's to other flippers....it's a game of hot potato where everyone is trying to find the "greater fool", and nobody wants to be left holding the proverbial bag.

[Kilomonster]

Why didn’t they simply flip the top and bottom colors on the Brett?

The vertical is ridiculous.

[auctionjmm]

I think a higher price would make sense if they are doing the full mini product within HHN. Those boxes 4x'd pretty easily. Now, there would of course be far less cards but that is partially offset by the smaller set. If Topps did 1 mini per pack, that would be 288 minis per case. IF there are mini SPs, #'d minis, and mini autos like in the first release, you could easily justify a higher price point. If it's just the 225, some hike may be justifiable. There's a lot of what-ifs until full details come out.

[premium1981]

Yes....but often it's to other flippers....it's a game of hot potato where everyone is trying to find the "greater fool", and nobody wants to be left holding the proverbial bag.

I’m traveling so it’s hard for me to type a long response on my phone, but how is this different than any other field? When someone sells apple stock someone else has to buy it. The person buying hopes to make money. All investments type transactions are usually similar to this. Bottom line is demand is demand. People were buying Brian Taylor years ago in hopes of making money. I agree that there are a lot of fools going to end up with bags. But that doesn’t mean they won’t purchase new bags in hopes of doing better.

And the other thing that some people here don’t seem to understand is that the collector market is massive. Yes, there are more flippers than you can count. But I see and hear about people collecting now than ever before. Our hobby is stronger and bigger than you realize.

[PDCCollectibles]

Do have any evidence to support this assertion?

And what percentage of these "people coming in" are actually collectors, as opposed to flippers trying to make a quick buck?

At some point, all the breakers/gamblers/flippers are either going to run into financial trouble and/or going to move on.....who's going to support Fanatics then if all the collectors have left?

I feel you've been trying to make this same point for 5, 6, 7+ years...yet here we are....breakers/gamblers/flippers can also be collectors, imo. According to you and others, this hobby was 'supposed' to crash multiple times over the last several years. In talking to my LCS' and the crowds at shows, not happening any time soon. I'm seeing more and more of the younger generation interested in cards :)!

[rudan007]

These changes could make Heritage a better product going forward...it makes no sense to me to change the format midyear...they should have held these over until 2025 Heritage instead

Agreed. The new parallels and the inconsistency with the Minis will make for a lot of weird master set combinations. Why not just wait till 2025 to enact changes?

[13CardinalsFan]

Has Heritage High ever included action base variations for players in Heritage (regular)?This is the first year that Francisco Lindor doesn't have an Action Variation.

Given that they are including Chromes for all players, maybe additional variations are possible?

Yes they have. 2022 High Number had several Action Variation for players in regular heritage.

[rfgilles]

Yes they have. 2022 High Number had several Action Variation for players in regular heritage.

Nice. Good to know.

[coupie21]

$1,300 for a case of high number? Yikes.

Blowout showing cases of hobby out of stock. Some must not think the price is too ridiculous. Checked last night and case price was over $1400...now showing out of stock. I am actually quite dumbfounded that people are buying this at such a high buy in price.

[KhalDrogo]

I feel you've been trying to make this same point for 5, 6, 7+ years...yet here we are....breakers/gamblers/flippers can also be collectors, imo. According to you and others, this hobby was 'supposed' to crash multiple times over the last several years. In talking to my LCS' and the crowds at shows, not happening any time soon. I'm seeing more and more of the younger generation interested in cards :)!
The gambling addiction is real and it is glorious. Of course, it will destroy individual lives and families, but that’s okay. Everything in this world is now about growing the divide between the haves and have nots. This is why all assets continue to appreciate at unprecedented rates. The haves can and will continue to fuel it all. The have nots are irrelevant.

[FatButcher]

Blowout showing cases of hobby out of stock. Some must not think the price is too ridiculous. Checked last night and case price was over $1400...now showing out of stock. I am actually quite dumbfounded that people are buying this at such a high buy in price.

The crazy part is this is definitely the kind of product that will be available on the Topps site beyond the first few minutes of release at likely much lower prices.

Don't get the rush to buy from big 3 on this one.

[auctionjmm]

The crazy part is this is definitely the kind of product that will be available on the Topps site beyond the first few minutes of release at likely much lower prices.

Don't get the rush to buy from big 3 on this one.

All depends on the minis. If there's a few per box and no parallels or autos, then I agree. No reason to pay a higher price now.

But if the minis are 1 per pack and have parallels and autos, then you have a product within a product scenario where these prices will go insane. Look what regular mini sells for now. It's a two-for-one deal in that case. Prices would soar.

Until more info is released, I couldn't even tell you what a fair price is for this.

[MotorboatJones]

All depends on the minis. If there's a few per box and no parallels or autos, then I agree. No reason to pay a higher price now.

But if the minis are 1 per pack and have parallels and autos, then you have a product within a product scenario where these prices will go insane. Look what regular mini sells for now. It's a two-for-one deal in that case. Prices would soar.

Until more info is released, I couldn't even tell you what a fair price is for this.

Completely agree

[mikejones]

The print run for heritage high has always been lower with the smaller checklist. I think fanatics did this to increase the print run by inserting different parallels. This doesn't even feel like heritage anymore.

[mfw13]

The crazy part is this is definitely the kind of product that will be available on the Topps site beyond the first few minutes of release at likely much lower prices.

Don't get the rush to buy from big 3 on this one.

This will be available at half the price a year or two from now....just look at where 2022 HHN is despite having both Bobby Witt Jr. and Julio Rodriguez RC's.

What I'm worried about is what this means for the release price for 2025 Heritage in April.....if that's over $100 a box at release, it would be horrible.

[kyle1707]

The massive over production

You better be doing this for fun

I’m glad they made it to be honest

Because would not of shocked me if they got rid of it

Since it is harder to gamble with

[base set]

I thought “Actions” were no longer in the product(s) starting in 2023. The concept isn’t really all that relevant any more given the original 70s sets have a steadily increasing portion of action photography. I doubt they will ever return; now we have “Image Variations” instead; basically the same thing.

24 Heritage is sort of 95% “action” photography though that is basically cropped back out of each photo.

[MotorboatJones]

You better be doing this for fun

That’s the only reason I do it. Love Heritage.

[ThoseBackPages]

collecting IS for fun!

[RatedRooki3]

This will be available at half the price a year or two from now....just look at where 2022 HHN is despite having both Bobby Witt Jr. and Julio Rodriguez RC's.

What I'm worried about is what this means for the release price for 2025 Heritage in April.....if that's over $100 a box at release, it would be horrible.

Have you been watching product from the 2024 class? Even the higher end product has slowing been creeping up (Diamond Icons, Definitive, Luminaries). The 2022 class doesn't hold the 2024 classes jock strap. This product is going to sell out instantly.

[marjac]

[QUOTE=OhioLawyerF5;19829587]I'm not a 75 purist (in fact, this might be blasphemy, but I don't care for the design)

You should be disbarred. :D Just kidding obviously. But from one lawyer to another, not caring for the '75 design is blasphemy and heresy rolled into one, as it is the one design to rule them all.

Disclaimer: I live for and collect exclusively everything '75 design. I am '75 specialist, caring about nothing else in the hobby.

[ClevelandIC]

I think a lot of people must be buying this quietly. Case price is up $200 on the Big 3

[seanbros55]

Yes they have. 2022 High Number had several Action Variation for players in regular heritage.

They also inserted Action Variation cards that were in regular heritage into HHN boxes to serve at hits instead of including the appropriate number of HHN variations n said boxes

[bub838]

I think a lot of people must be buying this quietly. Case price is up $200 on the Big 3

Or it's just manipulation

[ClevelandIC]

Or it's just manipulation

Or the demand for 2024 Baseball products is extremely high and this is likely the last or second to last.

Find me any reasonably priced 2024 Baseball that contains Chourio, Merrill, Holliday, Langford, Yamamoto, Skenes and Imanaga. Literally any.

[bub838]

Or the demand for 2024 Baseball products is extremely high and this is likely the last or second to last.

Find me any reasonably priced 2024 Baseball that contains Chourio, Merrill, Holliday, Langford, Yamamoto, Skenes and Imanaga. Literally any.

Calm down. I'm hoping for a preorder from Topps.

[sportzking]

Still going for two boxes to make the set. Might be tempted to get more for the minis.

[ClevelandIC]

Calm down. I'm hoping for a preorder from Topps.

Love this!

[mfw13]

Am I correct in understanding that the players who were in the regular chrome checklist will ALSO have a second chrome card #/699 that will look identical to their #/999 chrome card?

[FatButcher]

I understood it to be players without regular chrome would be included in HHN. But its entirely vague and unknown.

[jbriskin05]

Am I correct in understanding that the players who were in the regular chrome checklist will ALSO have a second chrome card #/699 that will look identical to their #/999 chrome card?

i'm reading it as anybody in Heritage that did not have a chrome will now get one along with the high number checklist...so 625 different chrome

[ThoseBackPages]

looks to be a good thing

[Americards]

With all due respect, it doesn’t matter if you leave. Doesn’t matter if i leave. The hobby is hotter than it has ever been and more people are coming in than ever. You or I may not like what it looks like now, but others do. Blowout is a tiny fraction of a percent of the hobby. We can all leave and it won’t change anything at all. The plan is for them to grow the overall hobby and that’s what they have done.
I wonder how many of them leave quickly after seeing the pricing of the products?

[ThoseBackPages]

I wonder how many of them leave quickly after seeing the pricing of the products?

ive wondered that as well. im not sure how many of them know any better to be honest

that for sure is a huge disconnect that we see with some posters here vs the new blood coming in

[dodgerfanjohn]

ive wondered that as well. im not sure how many of them know any better to be honest

that for sure is a huge disconnect that we see with some posters here vs the new blood coming in

Its not like very low end Big League is flying off the shelf. Walmart is still sitting on holiday mega boxes at $29.99 even with the monster rookie class.

A product like Heritage or Allen and Ginter....$125 ish per hobby box...its really not all that much money now days.

[mfw13]

A product like Heritage or Allen and Ginter....$125 ish per hobby box...its really not all that much money now days.

Depends on your perspective.....Heritage was $65-70 per hobby box pretty consistently up until a couple of years ago.

I'm willing to pay $80-85 a box or so now.....but if the release price is over $1000/case, I'll either wait until the price drops, or just by a 1-500 set from someone.

The 1976 design is nowhere near as popular as the 1975 design....

[timber63401]

I like Heritage and was a buyer of a case at $1000 a case and willing to take the probable $200-$500 hit but $1400 is just too much.

[ThoseBackPages]

Its not like very low end Big League is flying off the shelf. Walmart is still sitting on holiday mega boxes at $29.99 even with the monster rookie class.

A product like Heritage or Allen and Ginter....$125 ish per hobby box...its really not all that much money now days.

Yes, exactly what i mean about the newbies mindset when it comes to wax

[timber63401]

$125 not being much money has nothing to do with it. Its all about ROI. Most of these boxes will yield $30-50 worth of product.

[OhioLawyerF5]

ROI has nothing to do with it because cards aren't an investment. And opening wax is certainly not an investment. :)!

[whitmm]

The new comers to cards aren't going to know about the history of prices. They aren't going to know, or care, what boxes were selling for 5 years ago. They entered the hobby at a time when $2-500 for a box is common. A $125 box of Heritage is not going to drive them out.

The ROI doesn't matter either. Again, they came into a hobby where they're getting the same ROI on more expensive boxes.

And lastly, the history doesn't mean anything to the new comers. Whether 1975 or 1976 was more popular only matters to collectors and those that appreciate the history of cards. And that's not most newcomers.

TLDR: The price of Heritage isn't chasing new comers away. Heritage is not a product that largely appeals to the newer crowd.

[mfw13]

$125 not being much money has nothing to do with it. Its all about ROI. Most of these boxes will yield $30-50 worth of product.

For many people its not even about ROI....it's simply about getting reasonable value for the money you're spending.

I'm willing to pay a certain about of money for the pleasure/thrill/excitement of opening my own wax boxes.....but there is a limit to how much I'm willing to pay for that privilege because I'm NOT willing to get ripped off.

It's the same reason why I generally check books out from the library instead of buying them (because I think new books are too expensive) and why I rarely go to the movies (because ticket/concession prices are too high).

We all have our own idea of how much we think things are worth, and nobody likes getting ripped off.

[mfw13]

Whether 1975 or 1976 was more popular only matters to collectors and those that appreciate the history of cards. And that's not most newcomers.

Perhaps....but the demand for Heritage from year to year certainly does fluctuate depending on how popular that years' design is....and 1975 design is one of the most iconic/popular designs ever.

While there certainly are people who collect it every year no matter what, there are also plenty of collectors like me who only collect it when they like that years' design.

[mfw13]

The new comers to cards aren't going to know about the history of prices. They aren't going to know, or care, what boxes were selling for 5 years ago. They entered the hobby at a time when $2-500 for a box is common. A $125 box of Heritage is not going to drive them out.


I would think that that would largely depend on macroeconomic factors.

If crypto/the stock market/the economy crashes, people are going to become a lot more price sensitive than they are when asset values are near all-time highs.

[ThoseBackPages]

For many people its not even about ROI....it's simply about getting reasonable value for the money you're spending.

I'm willing to pay a certain about of money for the pleasure/thrill/excitement of opening my own wax boxes.....but there is a limit to how much I'm willing to pay for that privilege because I'm NOT willing to get ripped off.

It's the same reason why I generally check books out from the library instead of buying them (because I think new books are too expensive) and why I rarely go to the movies (because ticket/concession prices are too high).

We all have our own idea of how much we think things are worth, and nobody likes getting ripped off.

Originally Posted by premium1981

With all due respect, it doesn’t matter if you leave. Doesn’t matter if i leave. The hobby is hotter than it has ever been and more people are coming in than ever. You or I may not like what it looks like now, but others do. Blowout is a tiny fraction of a percent of the hobby. We can all leave and it won’t change anything at all. The plan is for them to grow the overall hobby and that’s what they have done.

[StateEx]

Its not like very low end Big League is flying off the shelf. Walmart is still sitting on holiday mega boxes at $29.99 even with the monster rookie class.

A product like Heritage or Allen and Ginter....$125 ish per hobby box...its really not all that much money now days.

Or it could be that Big League is seen as undesirable.

We'll see, but products often have a soft ceiling as well. You'd like to think Topps has buckets of market research on this, but having bought a few boxes of Heritage over the last few years -- even with inflation -- it's difficult to grok that price point.

[dodgerfanjohn]

$125 not being much money has nothing to do with it. Its all about ROI. Most of these boxes will yield $30-50 worth of product.

We are taking new to the hobby POV. I guarantee you a lot of these guys are only looking to pc whatever they pull and maybe grade a few. ROI doesn’t factor into the thinking.

If it did, breakers wouldn’t be a thing.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Honestly don’t understand the arguments. Fanatics went into this stating they were going to grow the hobby. They did exactly that. They are marketing geniuses.

If you aren’t on noob oriented discord chats, Reddit, Facebook, etc and you find the new prices baffling, I suggest you go find out who this new market is.

Is heritage high overpriced at $100? You betcha. Will noobs care? I doubt it. Look at where 2024 A&G is…on the Sportscards nonsense Facebook group(they are also a podcast) noobs LOVE that product. Prices be damned.

Look, it’s a hobby. No one is forcing anyone to collect. If it stops being fun or too expensive or whatever, stop collecting. But crying in the sandbox doesn’t do anything. I should know, I was one of them in the not too distant past. 2024 heritage mini and 2024 Allen & Ginter X are probably the last truly great products we will see from a cost vs quality standpoint for a while.

For me, the market has changed but I still have fun…at least I did with this years Allen & Ginter. But I do now have to be mindful of expenses.

Fanatics has a license for a very long time and this is the way things are now.

[bd3d86]

Good luck getting this at your LCS...:mad:

30+ years in business and my LCS had their allocation cut from 7 cases to 2. Another nearby LCS can only get 1 case.

Fanatics is doing a really great job supporting their local card shops...:rolleyes:

Build the business the right way year after year and then get the royal screw job by Topps/Fanatics by not giving them near enough product to sell to those customers they gained over the years.

I'm sure someone will jump in explaining exactly why this has to happen, but this is the beginning of the end for me. Getting cases through my LCS allowed me to at least open my case on release day. I am not buying directly through Topps just to wait a week for my cards to be delivered and lose out on potential sales/value. I also know other online retailers are an option to receive it on release day, but usually at a mark-up. I know this complaint won't resonate with everyone, but it is very frustrating.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Good luck getting this at your LCS...:mad:

30+ years in business and my LCS had their allocation cut from 7 cases to 2. Another nearby LCS can only get 1 case.

Fanatics is doing a really great job supporting their local card shops...:rolleyes:

Build the business the right way year after year and then get the royal screw job by Topps/Fanatics by not giving them near enough product to sell to those customers they gained over the years.

I'm sure someone will jump in explaining exactly why this has to happen, but this is the beginning of the end for me. Getting cases through my LCS allowed me to at least open my case on release day. I am not buying directly through Topps just to wait a week for my cards to be delivered and lose out on potential sales/value. I also know other online retailers are an option to receive it on release day, but usually at a mark-up. I know this complaint won't resonate with everyone, but it is very frustrating.

Completely understand. My Topps Series 1 arrived 2 weeks after release. Can't win in that scenario.

[FatButcher]

Completely understand. My Topps Series 1 arrived 2 weeks after release. Can't win in that scenario.

That is a bummer, definitely makes it tough getting to market late.

Despite many issues with them, I must say I ordered 10-12 cases through Topps website last year for pre-order across Star Wars and baseball products and recieved them all on release day.

Not sure if I was a significant outlier, but my experience was good in that regard.

[elektrokuter]

That is a bummer, definitely makes it tough getting to market late.

Despite many issues with them, I must say I ordered 10-12 cases through Topps website last year for pre-order across Star Wars and baseball products and recieved them all on release day.

Not sure if I was a significant outlier, but my experience was good in that regard.

it seems so random at times.

my Topps Archives was delivered via fedex smart post and shipped one week late, so I didnt get it until almost 3 weeks after release

my WWE Chrome shipped Fedex express and shipped 3 days before release day.

[mfw13]

Honestly don’t understand the arguments. Fanatics went into this stating they were going to grow the hobby. They did exactly that.

They've grown prices, to be sure, and probably their own profits along with it, but I fail to see any evidence that they have sustainably grown the hobby, as opposed to attracting a lot of new people looking for quick profits who will disappear just as quickly when their easy profits dry up.

[OhioLawyerF5]

They've grown prices, to be sure, and probably their own profits along with it, but I fail to see any evidence that they have sustainably grown the hobby, as opposed to attracting a lot of new people looking for quick profits who will disappear just as quickly when their easy profits dry up.Easy profits have been gone for a while. I think your assumptions about new people coming into the hobby are both unfair and inaccurate. I've seen no evidence of this mass exodus you claim will come when easy profits dry up. That sounds like a take by a bitter collector who despises the change and growth of the hobby, and wants it like the "good old days." So you project your biases on new people.

[bub838]

Easy profits have been gone for a while. I think your assumptions about new people coming into the hobby are both unfair and inaccurate. I've seen no evidence of this mass exodus you claim will come when easy profits dry up. That sounds like a take by a bitter collector who despises the change and growth of the hobby, and wants it like the "good old days." So you project your biases on new people.

You could honestly pin this to the top of most threads here.

[jduds]

They've grown prices, to be sure, and probably their own profits along with it, but I fail to see any evidence that they have sustainably grown the hobby, as opposed to attracting a lot of new people looking for quick profits who will disappear just as quickly when their easy profits dry up.

From Rubin's recent statements about Fanatics/ business performance, they grew baseball from $300 million revenue in 2020 to $850 million last year. That's a fairly impressive jump, and I'm not buying the idea that they are simply churning in new folks constantly who then flee. There is some of that, but a chunk of the new folks stay. The singles market is still fairly soft and it's not like 2021 where new collectors constantly stumbled in looking to get rich quick. I do think the gambling aspect plays a large role in their success and addiction is sadly part of their business model IMO even if they'd never admit it. That said, they've certainly made a good effort at growing the hobby, and while I might not like or agree with everything they've done, I'm satisfied they'll be successful in growing the overall number of collectors.

[OhioLawyerF5]

From Rubin's recent statements about Fanatics/ business performance, they grew baseball from $300 million revenue in 2020 to $850 million last year. That's a fairly impressive jump, and I'm not buying the idea that they are simply churning in new folks constantly who then flee. There is some of that, but a chunk of the new folks stay. The singles market is still fairly soft and it's not like 2021 where new collectors constantly stumbled in looking to get rich quick. I do think the gambling aspect plays a large role in their success and addiction is sadly part of their business model IMO even if they'd never admit it. That said, they've certainly made a good effort at growing the hobby, and while I might not like or agree with everything they've done, I'm satisfied they'll be successful in growing the overall number of collectors.Great post. People don't seem to think things through when they allow their disdain for Fanatics cloud their judgment. Fanatics may be awful, but they know what they are doing, and they aren't about to let their card venture fail. It's a big part of their overall plan to dominate sports in all facets. And for those claiming their goal is to pump and dump the company are nuts. They are in bed with the leagues. Dumping their sportscard business is the last thing they'll do. They are growing the hobby like never before. People want to think it's just a bunch of flippers, but it's not. I haven't seen as many kids at card shows since they 80s. There are lifelong collectors entering the hobby in droves. And sports cards are tied to sports fandom like it hasn't been for a VERY long time.

[ObanMontecristo]

From Rubin's recent statements about Fanatics/ business performance, they grew baseball from $300 million revenue in 2020 to $850 million last year. That's a fairly impressive jump, and I'm not buying the idea that they are simply churning in new folks constantly who then flee. There is some of that, but a chunk of the new folks stay. The singles market is still fairly soft and it's not like 2021 where new collectors constantly stumbled in looking to get rich quick. I do think the gambling aspect plays a large role in their success and addiction is sadly part of their business model IMO even if they'd never admit it. That said, they've certainly made a good effort at growing the hobby, and while I might not like or agree with everything they've done, I'm satisfied they'll be successful in growing the overall number of collectors.

I’m calling shenanigans on this, and any inference that whatever Fanatics is doing is somehow good for the hobby. First, Fanatics didn’t acquire Topps until January 2022, after the COVID boom had already increased entrants into the hobby. Second, inflation and charging more for the price of wax, coupled with overprinting product, probably account for around 50% of that revenue increase. Then factor in that Fanatics is making even more money on breaking, where collectively, people are basically paying much more to open wax. There’s your revenue jump over the past 5 years…

[OhioLawyerF5]

There are significantly more participants in the hobby today than 2022.

[MotorboatJones]

And, me ? I’m just excited for Heritage High Number to get released ! Because I like it !

[cruiserdaddy7]

Hearing about dealers being cut and not being offered any from Fanatics reps has me wondering if there won't be an insane amount of this made. If so, many will wish they locked in at today's prices.

[bub838]

Hearing about dealers being cut and not being offered any from Fanatics reps has me wondering if there won't be an insane amount of this made. If so, many will wish they locked in at today's prices.

Interested to see an odds sheet, that's for sure.
I have a hard time believing this will be shorter printed than usual. The entire checklist in chrome, even at five per box is still alot.

[ClevelandIC]

Interested to see an odds sheet, that's for sure.
I have a hard time believing this will be shorter printed than usual. The entire checklist in chrome, even at five per box is still alot.

If we conservatively say that all the Chromes are going to be #'d /699 - that is 625x699 (Not sure if we'll have any other colors as part of that "5 Per Box") so again, taking the conservative rout.

625*699 = 436,875 Chrome cards. While we don't know what the Retail vs Hobby allocation will be, the math works out to 87,375 boxes = 7,280 Cases.

If a blaster has 1 chrome per box = 40 Per Case. So where is the line... (And are there any other configurations?)

2,000 Blaster Cases would leave 5,947 Hobby Cases
4,000 Blaster Cases would leave 4,614 Hobby Cases

For High Number, I still think that's a lot

[bub838]

If we conservatively say that all the Chromes are going to be #'d /699 - that is 625x699 (Not sure if we'll have any other colors as part of that "5 Per Box") so again, taking the conservative rout.

625*699 = 436,875 Chrome cards. While we don't know what the Retail vs Hobby allocation will be, the math works out to 87,375 boxes = 7,280 Cases.

If a blaster has 1 chrome per box = 40 Per Case. So where is the line... (And are there any other configurations?)

2,000 Blaster Cases would leave 5,947 Hobby Cases
4,000 Blaster Cases would leave 4,614 Hobby Cases

For High Number, I still think that's a lot

I think your estimate is low. 2023 HHN was 10,000+ cases and 2022 was more than 2023.

Five chrome per box, we need to figure out the total number of chrome cards in the product - minus the 100 with existing parallels.
/699 * 625 = 436,875
/75 * 525 = 39,375
/5 * 525 = 2,625
/1 * 525 = 525
= 479,400/5= 95,880 boxes/12 = 7990 cases (ignoring retail split)

However...

What about /999, /575 and /375 from the first release?
/999 * 525 = 524,475
/575 * 525 = 301,875
/375 * 525 = 196,875
=1,023,225
+ 479,400=
1,502,625 total chrome cards
divide by 5 = 300,525 boxes /12 = 25,043 cases (ignoring retail split)

Be generous and remove /999 = 978,150 total chrome cards
divide by 5 = 195,630 boxes /12 = 16,302 cases (ignoring retail split)

Or maybe the above are only being applied to the 125 cards on HHN checklist.
/999 * 125 = 124,875
/575 * 125 = 71,825
/375 * 125 = 46,875
=243,575
+ 479,400=
722,975 total chrome cards
divide by 5 = 144,595 boxes /12 = 12,049 cases (ignoring retail split)

It's fun to speculate! I'm not sure how it will shake out, but I'm least confident that this is a short printed run compared to previous years and I'd be surprised if /999 /575 and /375 don't factor in someway.

[coupie21]

Hearing about dealers being cut and not being offered any from Fanatics reps has me wondering if there won't be an insane amount of this made. If so, many will wish they locked in at today's prices.

I, too, have an extremely hard time buying into a belief that this product may be "cut back" from a production standpoint. If there is one thing I have learned over the past couple years, it is that Fanatics and the "Big 3" seem to have a way of making new products seem scarce. Thus, keeping prices high and the market manipulated! More and more people coming into this "hobby" seem to have a surplus of money and little brain/will power.

[bub838]

I, too, have an extremely hard time buying into a belief that this product may be "cut back" from a production standpoint. If there is one thing I have learned over the past couple years, it is that Fanatics and the "Big 3" seem to have a way of making new products seem scarce. Thus, keeping prices high and the market manipulated! More and more people coming into this "hobby" seem to have a surplus of money and little brain/will power.

Topps has also shown they have no problem undercutting their dealers in pricing on their website post release, see flagship this year and last.

[auctionjmm]

I’m calling shenanigans on this, and any inference that whatever Fanatics is doing is somehow good for the hobby. First, Fanatics didn’t acquire Topps until January 2022, after the COVID boom had already increased entrants into the hobby. Second, inflation and charging more for the price of wax, coupled with overprinting product, probably account for around 50% of that revenue increase. Then factor in that Fanatics is making even more money on breaking, where collectively, people are basically paying much more to open wax. There’s your revenue jump over the past 5 years…

Then it's not shenanigans. You just spelled out exactly how they did it lol.

[ThoseBackPages]

why would they cut production on this or anything for that matter?

what recent baseball wax are addicts NOT buying?

[hermanotarjeta]

why would they cut production on this or anything for that matter?

what recent baseball wax are addicts NOT buying?

There will be plenty for everyone x 10.

[bustsomewax]

Hoping we get a Topps pre order this week.

[MotorboatJones]

I bought a couple hobby boxes at $128. This should be a good release with the minis included.

[Skipscards]

Apparently Minis will be 1:3 packs.

[elektrokuter]

Apparently Minis will be 1:3 packs.

hm think there will be SPs? or they will still sell well out of this set?

I actually dont re-sell my stuff dont much b/c I dont buy a lot but boy I could not believe the ROI I got on the few mini boxes I opened lol. Never thought Id find someone to pay me $60 for a Shintaro Fujinami card.

Was hoping mini was a separate release, but I usually buy Heritage anyways.

[Skipscards]

hm think there will be SPs? or they will still sell well out of this set?

I actually dont re-sell my stuff dont much b/c I dont buy a lot but boy I could not believe the ROI I got on the few mini boxes I opened lol. Never thought Id find someone to pay me $60 for a Shintaro Fujinami card.

Was hoping mini was a separate release, but I usually buy Heritage anyways.

Good question. That is unclear. I would expect the same 25 SPs as the regular size, but who knows? They are kitchen sinking this release.

[bub838]

Apparently Minis will be 1:3 packs.

Interesting, if there's eight minis in a hobby box it does make getting the set completed slightly easier.

Eight mini, five chrome, one auto/relic, two aqua, four dark blue- they're really filling these boxes up.

[mfw13]

Any info on whether or not there will be more 3D's.....

[Skipscards]

Any info on whether or not there will be more 3D's.....

It doesn’t look like it.

[mfw13]

It doesn’t look like it.

If you're correct, it's yet another royal screw-up by Fanatics....it's bad enough already with the mess they're making of the Chromes.....

[bub838]

Surprised there hasn't been a preorder for this, yet. I asked my Fanatics Rep and he said he hadn't been given any info on it either.

[castaways]

Surprised there hasn't been a preorder for this, yet. I asked my Fanatics Rep and he said he hadn't been given any info on it either.

I was informed by a Topps representative 2 weeks ago that there was not going to be any preorder from them on the 2024 Topps Heritage High Number. I normally order directly from them, but when they told me that, I had to make my preorder through one of the big 3.

[bub838]

I was informed by a Topps representative 2 weeks ago that there was not going to be any preorder from them on the 2024 Topps Heritage High Number. I normally order directly from them, but when they told me that, I had to make my preorder through one of the big 3.

My LCS told me they had to buy from one of the big 3 as well. What kind of game is topps playing here? there's no way this is a limited release. It's heritage, not dynasty.

[ThoseBackPages]

i think Fanatics knows they can sell them without a problem on the Topps website

but i am surprised they passed on the free loan from people

[Cardsandcoffee]

Can we get a TLDR on what’s going on with this release? DA and BO do not have any hobby wax or cases, both of my local LCS said, at best, they can only guarantee me two boxes. Is Topps trying some greedy allocation release with Heritage, of all products?

[bub838]

Can we get a TLDR on what’s going on with this release? DA and BO do not have any hobby wax or cases, both of my local LCS said, at best, they can only guarantee me two boxes. Is Topps trying some greedy allocation release with Heritage, of all products?

I think its a combination of that + this may actually be a smaller release then normal.

DA/BO/SCS could also just re add the preorders for a higher price at any time.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Can we get a TLDR on what’s going on with this release? DA and BO do not have any hobby wax or cases, both of my local LCS said, at best, they can only guarantee me two boxes. Is Topps trying some greedy allocation release with Heritage, of all products?

Can someone get the pump gif going. There is going to be plenty of Heritage printed.

[kyle1707]

When blowout and Dave adams run the secondary market

They both make the price the same thing. Double triple cost ?

Then for a day or 2 they show sold out .. then they raise the price and everyone buys

Happens every week with different products

They are very good at what they do. And lets be honest a lot of card people have massive FOMO ..

[ThoseBackPages]

When blowout and Dave adams run the secondary market

They both make the price the same thing. Double triple cost ?

Then for a day or 2 they show sold out .. then they raise the price and everyone buys

Happens every week with different products

They are very good at what they do. And lets be honest a lot of card people have massive FOMO ..

one could argue that wax addiction is at an all time high