The S in SGC

[ssbledsoe]

Stands for scam

The 5-10 business days are actually counted on the Mayan calendar

[Boo]

I thought S would stand for something else

[slyguy]

I don't feel sorry for anyone grading with SGC or other minor (little kid) companies.

It's a good magic trick: put the card in an ugly slab (with no sleeve and let it rattle around), charge money near price of real grading companies... yet doesn't increase the value.

[Scottish Punk]

They are at 15-20 days on the website. I would realistically add another 5 to that. The big three are all getting slammed right now.

[ssbledsoe]

I thought S would stand for something else

It may alternatively stand for “Switch” as in “bait and SWITCH”

I don't feel sorry for anyone grading with SGC or other minor (little kid) companies.

It's a good magic trick: put the card in an ugly slab (with no sleeve and let it rattle around), charge money near price of real grading companies... yet doesn't increase the value.

Your opinion:SGC::my opinion:you

They are at 15-20 days on the website. I would realistically add another 5 to that. The big three are all getting slammed right now.

Thing is, when they took my money, it said 5-10 days. They’ve had my cards for 18 business days. They’re telling me it’ll be another 10 OR MORE business days.

They ran specials knowing everyone else was behind to get business for themselves…only to crawfish on the turnaround time once they took the money. Classic bait and switch.

[49ersSF]

SGC moved their expectations from 5-10 days to 15-20 days about a month ago because they were receiving a large amount of orders.

No matter what, you will still receive that order bout 3 months earlier than if you sent it to PSA.

[Scottish Punk]

SGC moved their expectations from 5-10 days to 15-20 days about a month ago because they were receiving a large amount of orders.

No matter what, you will still receive that order bout 3 months earlier than if you sent it to PSA.

That is my experience as well. I sent an order out the last week of March right before the specials set to expire. It stated 15-20. I didn't expect them back for month. I do expect something end of this week.

[slyguy]

My bud who does eBay full time sent a batch ~30 cards to SGC (base level grade svc) 03/24...
We got an email today 04/28 that it's on the way back. Sot that's 5 wks + ship back, just under 6wks total?

(these are low/mid valued vintage baseball cards we're flipping... I would never be stupid enough to send NFL cards to SGC)

[ssbledsoe]

SGC moved their expectations from 5-10 days to 15-20 days about a month ago because they were receiving a large amount of orders.

No matter what, you will still receive that order bout 3 months earlier than if you sent it to PSA.

That is my experience as well. I sent an order out the last week of March right before the specials set to expire. It stated 15-20. I didn't expect them back for month. I do expect something end of this week.

Honestly, it doesn’t matter what other companies have as a turnaround time. What matters is the promised turnaround time at the time the company took my money.

SGC knew the other companies were backed up. They knew there were customers like me that would only use their service if it was substantially better than PSA. They advertised a special that would attract people like me, and once they got my money decided to change the terms of the special.

It’s unacceptable, predatory, and bad business. They deserve derision and ridicule.

[slyguy]

I think derision includes ridicule.

SCG already gets both... for their ugly slabs and consistent ability to have graded cards sell for raw card values.

[vwnut13]

ability to have graded cards sell for raw card values.

Isn't that what a PSA 9 is?

[discodanman45]

SGC is now CU, is it surprising that they are now starting to miss turnaround times? The old SGC is gone, CU will make this a budget brand and try to milk it for every penny they can. Fast turnaround times, great customer service, and updates from Peter will be non-existent by the end of the year.

[majestik101]

Stool Grading Company

Holders look like stool. Company is run like stool and the resale value is stool too.

And yet plenty of slurpers out there who are devoted to them for some reason.

[jmarascojr]

I personally like the way vintage cards look in the SGC holders, especially T206s.

The next couple of months are going to be busy because people are getting ready for The National.
Grading obviously helps the already extremely high asking prices :)

[ssbledsoe]

I think derision includes ridicule.

SCG already gets both... for their ugly slabs and consistent ability to have graded cards sell for raw card values.

Thank you for being able to use thesaurus.com???

Isn't that what a BGS 9 is?

Fixed because I think slowguy is a BGS guy

SGC is now CU, is it surprising that they are now starting to miss turnaround times? The old SGC is gone, CU will make this a budget brand and try to milk it for every penny they can. Fast turnaround times, great customer service, and updates from Peter will be non-existent by the end of the year.

Seems like this is already true.

Stool Grading Company

Holders look like stool. Company is run like stool and the resale value is stool too.

And yet plenty of slurpers out there who are devoted to them for some reason.

I prefer the shorter S word. Kinda like "sham"...but different...

All of this is a good reminder that if the deal seems too good to be true, it probably is.

[daveyc1]

turnaround times have always been an estimate.

yes, it is a bad look to double (or triple) stated times, but they have never been a hard and fast number

[ssbledsoe]

turnaround times have always been an estimate.

yes, it is a bad look to double (or triple) stated times, but they have never been a hard and fast number

Sure. Estimates are fine. I waited double the estimated time before inquiring about the status of my order.

This is a deliberate bait and switch. SGC knew people were tired of the same BS estimated timelines from PSA/BGS. They decided they would bait new customers with a special they were unable and unwilling to actually fulfill. Once they got the business they wanted, they engaged the switch by increasing turnaround times.

The only people that accept this kind of treatment like to sit in chairs that face hotel room beds.

[Grid]

turnaround times have always been an estimate.

yes, it is a bad look to double (or triple) stated times, but they have never been a hard and fast number

Correct It even says so when you go to submit. That is why they have that *

If anyone wanted their cards done faster, they can pay for the 1to2 Day Immediate. If you want to be cheap, you take your chances.

https://www.gosgc.com/card-grading/services-pricing

[Grid]

Sure. Estimates are fine. I waited double the estimated time before inquiring about the status of my order.

This is a deliberate bait and switch. SGC knew people were tired of the same BS estimated timelines from PSA/BGS. They decided they would bait new customers with a special they were unable and unwilling to actually fulfill. Once they got the business they wanted, they engaged the switch by increasing turnaround times.

The only people that accept this kind of treatment like to sit in chairs that face hotel room beds.

I agree its a trash way to run a business. And a bad look for them. Its just that you have no leg to stand on, to force them to do any better. It has always been more of a guide than a promise when it comes to turnaround

[bojesphob]

Well, SGC is owned by the same people who own PSA, so maybe the disorganization that's inherent in PSA have bled into SGC.

[ssbledsoe]

I agree its a trash way to run a business. And a bad look for them. Its just that you have no leg to stand on, to force them to do any better. It has always been more of a guide than a promise when it comes to turnaround

Oh, I'm well aware they have me by the balls

I assume my online tantrum and contacting CS will do nothing but tank my grades. Whatever. IDGAS.

Just pist I talked myself into giving this "stool" company any money. Just want to make sure my tantrum lets other people know they're a shady POS company that will raw dog you without latex and not call you the next morning

Fool me once and such...

[daveyc1]

Sure. Estimates are fine. I waited double the estimated time before inquiring about the status of my order.

This is a deliberate bait and switch. SGC knew people were tired of the same BS estimated timelines from PSA/BGS. They decided they would bait new customers with a special they were unable and unwilling to actually fulfill. Once they got the business they wanted, they engaged the switch by increasing turnaround times.

The only people that accept this kind of treatment like to sit in chairs that face hotel room beds.

That is why I said it is a bad look. It has always been this way though. sometimes they are faster, sometimes they are slower, but either way, those time estimates are exactly that. estimates.

to rail against it is futile. unless you want to pay up for the 1-2 day service you get what you gets. you cannot expect first class service when you are paying economy rates.

[ssbledsoe]

That is why I said it is a bad look. It has always been this way though. sometimes they are faster, sometimes they are slower, but either way, those time estimates are exactly that. estimates.

to rail against it is futile. unless you want to pay up for the 1-2 day service you get what you gets. you cannot expect first class service when you are paying economy rates.

Re: "it's always been this way" is the biggest cop out BS statement.

Just because "Duke Cuckmore gets to pee on passerby's. It's always been that way..." doesn't mean ITA for saying Duke Cuckmore sucks and should stop peeing on people and telling them it's raining.

Not sure where you think I'm asking for first class service, but that's a delusional taek. I didn't say "stool" to SGC until they were 18 days into a 5-10 day estimate; only to be told it'll be another 10+ business days before they finish. If that's asking for first class service, they IDK what to say.

[daveyc1]

Re: "it's always been this way" is the biggest cop out BS statement.

Just because "Duke Cuckmore gets to pee on passerby's. It's always been that way..." doesn't mean ITA for saying Duke Cuckmore sucks and should stop peeing on people and telling them it's raining.

Not sure where you think I'm asking for first class service, but that's a delusional taek. I didn't say "stool" to SGC until they were 18 days into a 5-10 day estimate; only to be told it'll be another 10+ business days before they finish. If that's asking for first class service, they IDK what to say.

not sure why you consider it a "cop out" It has literally been this way for 25 years. why would you expect different results now? the times listed are now, and have always been an estimate.

perhaps you need to step back for a minute and breathe. remember, this is a hobby and not meant to raise your blood pressure. Maybe this grading thing just is not for you.

[bojesphob]

not sure why you consider it a "cop out" It has literally been this way for 25 years. why would you expect different results now? the times listed are now, and have always been an estimate.

perhaps you need to step back for a minute and breathe. remember, this is a hobby and not meant to raise your blood pressure. Maybe this grading thing just is not for you.

To be fair, though, they're not really good at being consistent with delays. Neither is PSA for that matter. Some people get their stuff put right into their system, and get it graded in under the estimate, then others (with no explanation) take longer than the estimates. If they had some sort of way of being able to say "Your submission will take longer because of X or Y" instead of it just sitting in the same status with no movement for what feels like an eternity with no communication. It would mitigate some of the frustration with the process, and would alleviate some of the concern when one person's sub that has the same service level gets through fast and others sit there for a long time. For companies that are reliant on positive customer views of their company, it seems rather counterproductive to passively do things that make your company look inefficient at best, incompetent at worst. I have one sub at SGC currently, and 2 at PSA, and they're both just in this nebulous "we have it, but we'll give you no idea how much longer you might have to wait". The SGC one might be taking longer because I accidentally put in the wrong year for one of the cards, and if that's the case then it would be nice to have that noted as why it's going to take longer (although, of course, I sent an email right after I submitted the submission that I mistyped the year, so not sure why that would make it take longer when I pointed it out). 3 weeks after they acknowledged receipt of the cards, it's still in the "Received" status, but shouldn't I have had some movement since then? Same with the PSA ones, is my firs sub taking longer because I have one autograph card in it? If so, what's the additional time to put some sort of note on the submission to state as much? I do database/application development that has lots of business rules around the processes, and while it's not simple to do a change like this, it's not necessarily difficult, either. But, of course, they have to care about improving the process, and that typically takes some money and effort, and not all companies care that much.

ETA: I guess something that would improve everyone's thoughts on this would be better communication from the companies. It's not the delay that bothers me, it's the not having absolutely any idea of whether it's going to be 3 more weeks, or 3 months, and they have no way of telling you which is the case, which is then further compounded by people getting a sub back completely done that was same service level and submitted after yours.

[Ninotores]

My bud who does eBay full time sent a batch ~30 cards to SGC (base level grade svc) 03/24...
We got an email today 04/28 that it's on the way back. Sot that's 5 wks + ship back, just under 6wks total?

(these are low/mid valued vintage baseball cards we're flipping... I would never be stupid enough to send NFL cards to SGC)

So you dog anyone who uses SGC but then use SGC LOL. :doh:

[ssbledsoe]

not sure why you consider it a "cop out" It has literally been this way for 25 years. why would you expect different results now? the times listed are now, and have always been an estimate.

perhaps you need to step back for a minute and breathe. remember, this is a hobby and not meant to raise your blood pressure. Maybe this grading thing just is not for you.

Because the company marketed a service specifically because other companies were unable to meet their estimates? Because their CEO was openly bragging about scaling their business when announcing the specials?

Again, it's a clear bait and switch to get customers with absolutely zero intent to fulfill the marketed service. I didn't get pessy on business day 11. I reached out to them at the start of the week my order would hit the estimated 20 business day mark; just to be told it would be another 2+ weeks (10+ business days).

To be fair, though, they're not really good at being consistent with delays. Neither is PSA for that matter. Some people get their stuff put right into their system, and get it graded in under the estimate, then others (with no explanation) take longer than the estimates. If they had some sort of way of being able to say "Your submission will take longer because of X or Y" instead of it just sitting in the same status with no movement for what feels like an eternity with no communication. It would mitigate some of the frustration with the process, and would alleviate some of the concern when one person's sub that has the same service level gets through fast and others sit there for a long time. For companies that are reliant on positive customer views of their company, it seems rather counterproductive to passively do things that make your company look inefficient at best, incompetent at worst. I have one sub at SGC currently, and 2 at PSA, and they're both just in this nebulous "we have it, but we'll give you no idea how much longer you might have to wait". The SGC one might be taking longer because I accidentally put in the wrong year for one of the cards, and if that's the case then it would be nice to have that noted as why it's going to take longer (although, of course, I sent an email right after I submitted the submission that I mistyped the year, so not sure why that would make it take longer when I pointed it out). 3 weeks after they acknowledged receipt of the cards, it's still in the "Received" status, but shouldn't I have had some movement since then? Same with the PSA ones, is my firs sub taking longer because I have one autograph card in it? If so, what's the additional time to put some sort of note on the submission to state as much? I do database/application development that has lots of business rules around the processes, and while it's not simple to do a change like this, it's not necessarily difficult, either. But, of course, they have to care about improving the process, and that typically takes some money and effort, and not all companies care that much.

ETA: I guess something that would improve everyone's thoughts on this would be better communication from the companies. It's not the delay that bothers me, it's the not having absolutely any idea of whether it's going to be 3 more weeks, or 3 months, and they have no way of telling you which is the case, which is then further compounded by people getting a sub back completely done that was same service level and submitted after yours.

Improved communication certainly would help.

That said, no amount of communication is going to polish a turd. The cold hard fact is that SGC predatorily marketed to people a service level they had no capacity or intentions to provide.

So you dog anyone who uses SGC but then use SGC LOL. :doh:

slyguy with a self own...as reliable as SGC missing estimated completion dates :cool:

[majestik101]

Wait a sec... SG... S is for Sly. G is for Guy...

Holy Crap. I think we just broke The DaVinci Code.

[Floridacardguy]

Stands for scam

The 5-10 business days are actually counted on the Mayan calendar

Because you submitted cards during a special pricing event and they were swamped with orders. Their grading time still much less than PSA. I routinely grade with them and get cards back in my hands usually within 10 days of when I sent them

I sent 3 separate orders during the special, and the last one is in post grade processing after 24 total days (longest ever)

[majestik101]

Because you submitted cards during a special pricing event and they were swamped with orders. Their grading time still much less than PSA. I routinely grade with them and get cards back in my hands usually within 10 days of when I sent them

I sent 3 separate orders during the special, and the last one is in post grade processing after 24 total days (longest ever)

How's your ROI? Are you breaking even or losing money? That's what matters when it comes to TPG.

Oh wait I just saw who I asked. Of course you're making money hand over fist. Never mind

[Floridacardguy]

How's your ROI? Are you breaking even or losing money? That's what matters when it comes to TPG.

Every graded card (cards with good grades) adds value to the card, so If I buy a raw card , grade it with SGC and sell it for an extra 10,20,30% or whatever, it's still a better ROI than not grading. If you want max ROI grade with PSA. I am happy flipping fast and SGC slabs are my preferred grader

[majestik101]

Every graded card (cards with good grades) adds value to the card, so If I buy a raw card , grade it with SGC and sell it for an extra 10,20,30% or whatever, it's still a better ROI than not grading. If you want max ROI grade with PSA. I am happy flipping fast and SGC slabs are my preferred grader

Well damn it that was an intelligent coherent response very informative and I appreciate your honesty. Thank you. And yes I took you off of my ignore list and I actually have no issue with you it's fun to go back and forth with you it keeps things fresh and it's good to have a jostle or two on the boards once in awhile.

We're like Trebek and Connery!

[slyguy]

So you dog anyone who uses SGC but then use SGC LOL. :doh:I just said we used SGC for vintage baseball... some cards in about $50-200 range, maybe a few $300ish. Buyers want auth, we want fast turnaround to selll in-season MLB, they're not worth grading cost and time of sending to PSA or BGS.

The $500-1k+ baseball cards went to PSA. Reasoning is pretty obvious.

...and yes, ppl sending football cards to SGC are bonkers. It's a little kid grading company for modern.
They'll sell for raw value at any grade 7-9.5 that SGC give them. SGC 10 may add tiny premium over raw (often does not)... but you lost a ton versus PSA 10 or BGS 9.5 or 10.

For modern football, SGC slabs are a joke that people just crack and hold the card... or send to BGS or PSA if it's a good card.

[Floridacardguy]

I just said we used SGC for vintage baseball... some cards in about $50-200 range, maybe a few $300ish. Buyers want auth, we want fast turnaround to selll in-season MLB, they're not worth grading cost and time of sending to PSA or BGS.

The $500-1k+ baseball cards went to PSA. Reasoning is pretty obvious.

...and yes, ppl sending football cards to SGC are bonkers. It's a little kid grading company for modern.
They'll sell for raw value at any grade 7-9.5 that SGC give them. SGC 10 may add tiny premium over raw (often does not)... but you lost a ton versus PSA 10 or BGS 9.5 or 10.

For modern football, SGC slabs are a joke that people just crack and hold the card... or send to BGS or PSA if it's a good card.

This proves you don't know what you are talking about. Nobody is grading with BGS
enlighten yourself- https://www.gemrate.com/

[Scottish Punk]

This proves you don't know what you are talking about. Nobody is grading with BGS
enlighten yourself- https://www.gemrate.com/

Yep, don't tell him psa 9s go for the same as raw in a lot of modern. Or SGC has been grading longer than Beckett.

[ssbledsoe]

Because you submitted cards during a special pricing event and they were swamped with orders. Their grading time still much less than PSA. I routinely grade with them and get cards back in my hands usually within 10 days of when I sent them

I sent 3 separate orders during the special, and the last one is in post grade processing after 24 total days (longest ever)

LOL

Thank you for completely validating why I'm pessed off

My order was at SGC before you even shipped your effing order that is now in the post grade process; yet we paid for the exact same service

[Floridacardguy]

LOL

Thank you for completely validating why I'm pessed off

My order was at SGC before you even shipped your effing order that is now in the post grade process; yet we paid for the exact same service

So you sent yours BEFORE the special pricing event?
If so, and it's not moved along, you need to contact customer support. They are good at responding fast

[ssbledsoe]

So you sent yours BEFORE the special pricing event?
If so, and it's not moved along, you need to contact customer support. They are good at responding fast

Le sigh...SGC has had my cards for 27-28 days at this point. Your post said it took 24 "total days" for your final special pricing order to get graded last night. Unless Florida also uses Mayan Math, 27 is more than 24...

I've already reached out to CS - I'm supposedly "on time" :rolleyes: to get graded sometime "late next week or early the week after"

Either way, they aren't anywhere close to the 5-10 business days on the paperwork/when they took my money, and will be well past the currently advertised 15-20 business days.

Again, BAIT (discount and advertised 10 business days or less turnaround) and SWITCH (takes money and getting roughly 30 business day turnaround)

[Floridacardguy]

To your point, SGC on it's original special pricing offer did NOT change the estimate for time (they should have made it longer)as you can see on my second to last order, and on my most recent order, they DID change the time to a longer wait
https://i.ibb.co/qL1Tf3Qv/IMG-3141.jpg (https://ibb.co/XfJcgrRq)

[ssbledsoe]

To your point, SGC on it's original special pricing offer did NOT change the estimate for time (they should have made it longer)as you can see on my second to last order, and on my most recent order, they DID change the time to a longer wait
https://i.ibb.co/qL1Tf3Qv/IMG-3141.jpg (https://ibb.co/XfJcgrRq)

JFC

Yes

I know

This is the entire effing point of the thread...

Again, thank you for confirming I'm getting screwed...

[Crosby 87]

I think you should file a charge back. Let them know you are in charge now.

[imbluestreak23]

SGC is now CU, is it surprising that they are now starting to miss turnaround times? The old SGC is gone, CU will make this a budget brand and try to milk it for every penny they can. Fast turnaround times, great customer service, and updates from Peter will be non-existent by the end of the year.

Are you not remembering SGC TAs during COVID when PSA shutdown, which occurred....pre-CU acquisition?

Don't get it twisted, SGC has always struggled with unanticipated surges in demand even as the market's second fiddle

[ssbledsoe]

Are you not remembering SGC TAs during COVID when PSA shutdown, which occurred....pre-CU acquisition?

Don't get it twisted, SGC has always struggled with unanticipated surges in demand even as the market's second fiddle

Thing is, this can’t even be called “unanticipated”

If running a special creates “unanticipated” increases in demand, then someone is too stupid to run the company or someone effed up

The entire point of running a special is to increase demand and add new customers lol

[majestik101]

JFC

Yes

I know

This is the entire effing point of the thread...

Again, thank you for confirming I'm getting screwed...

I'm going to look and see if JFC Inc. grading is taken. If not, JFC is open for business!

Judgements For Collectors Inc.

[discodanman45]

Are you not remembering SGC TAs during COVID when PSA shutdown, which occurred....pre-CU acquisition?

Don't get it twisted, SGC has always struggled with unanticipated surges in demand even as the market's second fiddle

This is completely different IMO. This was not unanticipated, but in my opinion an intentional surge to give SGC a stockpile of cards. I don't think CU wanted SGC to have quick turnaround times. Having a stockpile of cards to grade allows SGC to always be at capacity, which is more profitable. They could have stopped the 70/80's and modern football special at any time, but kept it going to stockpile cards up.

[ssbledsoe]

I'm going to look and see if JFC Inc. grading is taken. If not, JFC is open for business!

Judgements For Collectors Inc.

Look forward to doing business!

This is completely different IMO. This was not unanticipated, but in my opinion an intentional surge to give SGC a stockpile of cards. I don't think CU wanted SGC to have quick turnaround times. Having a stockpile of cards to grade allows SGC to always be at capacity, which is more profitable. They could have stopped the 70/80's and modern football special at any time, but kept it going to stockpile cards up.

Which is all the evidence you need to know this was a planned bait and switch. They could have shut the specials down once their turnaround times got behind...but they didn't. Just a mass "announcement" and zero direct communication with all the customers they lured in with the bait.

[Floridacardguy]

Look forward to doing business!



Which is all the evidence you need to know this was a planned bait and switch. They could have shut the specials down once their turnaround times got behind...but they didn't. Just a mass "announcement" and zero direct communication with all the customers they lured in with the bait.

To be fair, they DID change the time to up to 20 business days(although they maybe didn't do it early enough)Still much shorter than PSA

[ssbledsoe]

To be fair, they DID change the time to up to 20 business days(although they maybe didn't do it early enough)Still much shorter than PSA

This is a complete non sequitur. SGC isn't providing PSA labels or PSA resale value. So no, there is no "to be fair" to be had here.

SGC asked for an influx of customers and cards with multiple concurrent special offers. Then they decided to change the terms of the offer AFTER they had customers money.

But, by all means, continue glazing SGC even though they choose to run the business poorly and shady AF

[Floridacardguy]

This is a complete non sequitur. SGC isn't providing PSA labels or PSA resale value. So no, there is no "to be fair" to be had here.

SGC asked for an influx of customers and cards with multiple concurrent special offers. Then they decided to change the terms of the offer AFTER they had customers money.

But, by all means, continue glazing SGC even though they choose to run the business poorly and shady AF

Not so sure where all the anger is coming from. You are right- they don't give you the PSA name or value. So why did you send to them to begin with? Because you wanted your cards back faster. And guess what, one way or another they are coming back a lot faster than PSA ever would send your cards back and you saves some $

[ssbledsoe]

Not so sure where all the anger is coming from. You are right- they don't give you the PSA name or value. So why did you send to them to begin with? Because you wanted your cards back faster. And guess what, one way or another they are coming back a lot faster than PSA ever would send your cards back and you saves some $

I don't know how to type in "very slow person" font, but imagine the classic Ben Stiller character of "Simple Jack" is saying the following:

It doesn't muh-muh-muh-matter what PSA's turnaround time is. I didn't pay PSA. I paid SGC for SGC service. SGC estimated 5-10 days. Only ah-ah-ah-after I paid and shipped to SGC did they decide to change the estimate to 15-20. Fur-fur-furthermore, SGC is telling me they won't even meet the 15-20 day window.

So, in summation "simplecardguy", the anger is coming from me not getting what I paid for. Just because I paid for garbage doesn't mean it's OK for me to not get my garbage. Ask Poo. I pay for garbage on the regular (Bled-suck cards).

Yu-yu-yu-you make my head have storm cloud pain...

[Floridacardguy]

I don't know how to type in "very slow person" font, but imagine the classic Ben Stiller character of "Simple Jack" is saying the following:

It doesn't muh-muh-muh-matter what PSA's turnaround time is. I didn't pay PSA. I paid SGC for SGC service. SGC estimated 5-10 days. Only ah-ah-ah-after I paid and shipped to SGC did they decide to change the estimate to 15-20. Fur-fur-furthermore, SGC is telling me they won't even meet the 15-20 day window.

So, in summation "simplecardguy", the anger is coming from me not getting what I paid for. Just because I paid for garbage doesn't mean it's OK for me to not get my garbage. Ask Poo. I pay for garbage on the regular (Bled-suck cards).

Yu-yu-yu-you make my head have storm cloud pain...

Okay D bag, just go cry about your SGC cards taking so long while I list my SGC cards with my seller ready images on my completed order :)

[discodanman45]

It could be worse, people could have submitted to CGA instead of SGC. :)

[Giroux]

Love SGC

[Ninotores]

I don't mind SGC.

I will say CGC - which is well known in the comic grading community, is now grading cards. I have one and their slabs put everyone else to shame. They feel and look very high quality. I would assume they are accurate based on the decades of comics they've graded, but who knows.

Someone needs to step up to PSA. They've gotten too sloppy.

[discodanman45]

I don't mind SGC.

I will say CGC - which is well known in the comic grading community, is now grading cards. I have one and their slabs put everyone else to shame. They feel and look very high quality. I would assume they are accurate based on the decades of comics they've graded, but who knows.

Someone needs to step up to PSA. They've gotten too sloppy.

As someone who uses CGC, they might be the best for sports cards right now. They have a tiny team for grading cards, which is very important for consistency. My last few orders put PSA and SGC to shame.

Their issues are you can't trust older slabs, especially for vintage. They have seemed to tighten up their standards. The second issue is the stupid plastic sleeves when cards don't fit their holders. They do have slabs designed for most standard issued vintage like T206 and Goudey, but still don't have acceptable holders for tall boys. Still have a way to go...

[ssbledsoe]

Okay D bag, just go cry about your SGC cards taking so long while I list my SGC cards with my seller ready images on my completed order :)

Are you surprised at my tears, sir?

[Siberian13]

This forum is just full of entertainment

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[majestik101]

This forum is just full of entertainment

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Does the s in SGC stand for Special or Simple?

[ssbledsoe]

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[bojesphob]

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Both our subs are sitting next to each other chillin out together it seems :D

[ssbledsoe]

Grades posted last night

34/52 10's (no pristines)

1 8, 1 8.5, 3 9's, and 13 9.5's

Seems my complaints did not adversely affect the graders opinion. There goes my optimism for the day.