Gun/Fire Safe?

[Beavers98]

So I found an old thread about safes on here, but most comments were about Fire melting plastic etc.

Now, not that I'm not worried about Fire, but it's not my main concern at this time. I have a collection that has grown in value and I would like to have a safe more focused on protection/safety. Having 3 teenagers there seems to be a lot more people in my house now, haha, and just having a larger safe that someone can't walk off with makes sense to me.

My concern is the humidity in the safe that some people mention hurting cards even with decipant packets?? Is that true? Anyway to avoid? And no I like to enjoy and look at my cards, so not going the safety deposit box or some card storage area route.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks

[asujbl]

Just get security cameras. I have no idea why people need these fancy safes or all this other craziness (the insurance threads)

I have cameras in basement so I know if someone goes down there. Simple

I have insurance just in case something insane happens

And my collection is plenty valuable

Sometimes common sense is the approach

[jcardstore]

Safes are so cheap now I don't understand why you wouldn't want one. Cameras are fine but they don't prevent someone from doing something. A safe does that, and protects in case of fire.

https://rpnbsafe.us/products/fs50

This one bolts to the floor, is UL72 for fire resistance and is overall good quality. 3 tier, 2 cubic feet for < $400.

[Bob Ross]

People need safes for NBA Chrome blasters at these prices.

[asujbl]

Safes are so cheap now I don't understand why you wouldn't want one. Cameras are fine but they don't prevent someone from doing something. A safe does that, and protects in case of fire.

https://rpnbsafe.us/products/fs50

This one bolts to the floor, is UL72 for fire resistance and is overall good quality. 3 tier, 2 cubic feet for < $400.

I have literally less than zero interest in a safe. Seems like a waste of money to me

But to each their own

[Bosoxfan5990]

People need safes for NBA Chrome blasters at these prices.

:cry:

[Beavers98]

Safes are so cheap now I don't understand why you wouldn't want one. Cameras are fine but they don't prevent someone from doing something. A safe does that, and protects in case of fire.

https://rpnbsafe.us/products/fs50

This one bolts to the floor, is UL72 for fire resistance and is overall good quality. 3 tier, 2 cubic feet for < $400.

Yes, kind of what I was thinking, and yes with prices being so cheap for added protection/piece of mind was my basis for picking one up, basically just something that someone doesn't casually walk off with. So back to one question, do these "hurt" cards over time, humidity issue etc. or is there any way to prevent that?

[Beavers98]

People need safes for NBA Chrome blasters at these prices.

Maybe I should get 2. :D

[jcardstore]

I have literally less than zero interest in a safe. Seems like a waste of money to me

But to each their own

Well I think in your case your PC is too large for a safe regardless.

but otherwise, what is $400 anyways? It's not like the safe is cost prohibitive and I can't see any negative

[ReggieBush22]

I did a deep dive into safes recently as i was looking for one. And like anything in life, you get what you pay for. If you want true peace of mind, spend the extra money like I did and get yourself a high end safe. I bought this bad boy.

https://americansecuritysafes.com/product/max1014/

Notice how small this safe is. Yet it weighs almost 500 lbs! You want to get a TL-15 rated or higher safe. These are the type of safes pawn shops and jewelry stores have. TL-15 means if a professional has the blueprint for said safe and all the tools needed, it still takes them 15 minutes to crack it. TL-30 means it takes 30 minutes. This is top of the line stuff. The $2,500 i spent gives me peace of mind knowing i have the best safe. And bolt this down properly to a concrete slab and you have the type of security that pawn shops/jewelry stores have.

[ReggieBush22]

Safes are so cheap now I don't understand why you wouldn't want one. Cameras are fine but they don't prevent someone from doing something. A safe does that, and protects in case of fire.

https://rpnbsafe.us/products/fs50

This one bolts to the floor, is UL72 for fire resistance and is overall good quality. 3 tier, 2 cubic feet for < $400.

Bro, that's pure crap. Anyone with a crow bar can crack into it in minutes. It weighs 67 lbs. LOL. I can carry that thing away. There's a reason why it costs $400.

[ReggieBush22]

Yes, kind of what I was thinking, and yes with prices being so cheap for added protection/piece of mind was my basis for picking one up, basically just something that someone doesn't casually walk off with. So back to one question, do these "hurt" cards over time, humidity issue etc. or is there any way to prevent that?

If your biggest issue is humidity, all you can do is get a humidifier. Beyond that, it's up to you to somewhat control the environment of where your safe is located. Where are you putting it, in your bathroom? A safe's main goal is security and fire protection. For the latter, i put my cards in fireproof boxes, which gives additional heat protection. If there is a fire for an hour or two, your cards are probably toast. But something within that time frame, you cards have a chance as TL rated safes have great concrete composite fillers to slow down heat transfer.

[PuddleMonkey]

Get yourself a nice Fort Knox or Graffunder. Plan on spending 5 figures though.

Or you can spend $400 on a glorified cabinet.

[Beavers98]

If your biggest issue is humidity, all you can do is get a humidifier. Beyond that, it's up to you to somewhat control the environment of where your safe is located. Where are you putting it, in your bathroom? A safe's main goal is security and fire protection. For the latter, i put my cards in fireproof boxes, which gives additional heat protection. If there is a fire for an hour or two, your cards are probably toast. But something within that time frame, you cards have a chance as TL rated safes have great concrete composite fillers to slow down heat transfer.

No, I just heard that the chemicals/insulation, whatever is used in the "fireproof" safes, caused some humidy issue inside that damaged cards over time. Maybe that wasn't the case, but for some resaon I remember reading about it,, watching a video about it. Thanks for your input. Your safe looks nice!

[wiper]

Just get security cameras. I have no idea why people need these fancy safes or all this other craziness (the insurance threads)

I have cameras in basement so I know if someone goes down there. Simple

I have insurance just in case something insane happens

And my collection is plenty valuable

Sometimes common sense is the approach


security cameras wouldn’t have saved shadeur sanders from getting got, a proper safe would have.

edit: we put a 1,000lb safe in my brother’s basement, it would take an act of god to get it back up those stairs.

[jcardstore]

Bro, that's pure crap. Anyone with a crow bar can crack into it in minutes. It weighs 67 lbs. LOL. I can carry that thing away. There's a reason why it costs $400.

OP wasn’t asking for something that could withstand the pink panther with a plasma cutter :doh:

It’s bolted to the floor so the weight is irrelevant, unless you’re suggesting someone will cut it out of the floor.

Spending 5 figures on a safe is completely pointless unless you’re sitting on millions of dollars of gold or something. He asked for a simple safe that was fire resistant and you can’t carry it away

[jcardstore]

If you’re worried about someone breaking into the safe or cutting it out of the floor. You have way bigger problems than the choice of safe

[jetta20162]

If you’re worried about someone breaking into the safe or cutting it out of the floor. You have way bigger problems than the choice of safe

why not just use PSA vault?

[Beavers98]

OP wasn’t asking for something that could withstand the pink panther with a plasma cutter :doh:

It’s bolted to the floor so the weight is irrelevant, unless you’re suggesting someone will cut it out of the floor.

Spending 5 figures on a safe is completely pointless unless you’re sitting on millions of dollars of gold or something. He asked for a simple safe that was fire resistant and you can’t carry it away

Yes, thank you that's what I was asking. I'm actually seeing some fairly heavy gun safes that are very affordable. Part #2 is, do these safes damage cards over time? I've read things that they do. Just don't want to put my cards in one to find my autos smeared 6 months later or something.

[Beavers98]

why not just use PSA vault?

From my original post:

... I like to enjoy and look at my cards, so not going the safety deposit box or some card storage area route.**

IE Vault etc,

[jcardstore]

Yes, thank you that's what I was asking. I'm actually seeing some fairly heavy gun safes that are very affordable. Part #2 is, do these safes damage cards over time? I've read things that they do. Just don't want to put my cards in one to find my autos smeared 6 months later or something.

I don't know about the humidity thing, or if it will damage cards but I am kind of skeptical.

Even if humidity was an issue you could put the cards in a sealed bag or something?

[ReggieBush22]

OP wasn’t asking for something that could withstand the pink panther with a plasma cutter :doh:

It’s bolted to the floor so the weight is irrelevant, unless you’re suggesting someone will cut it out of the floor.

Spending 5 figures on a safe is completely pointless unless you’re sitting on millions of dollars of gold or something. He asked for a simple safe that was fire resistant and you can’t carry it away

No offense but you still don't know the basics of safes.

Weight is very relevant for safes. The heavier it is, the more metal and concrete surrounding the safe, making it harder to penetrate. A 67 lb safe is nothing but thin metal. Anyone with a decent metal drill can drill into it in no time.

Another big method of entry is the door. Most cheap safes have a good sized gap between the closings, allowing for crow bars to penetrate the gap and pry open.

I know when you look at your safe, it looks solid. After all, it's metal. I thought the same as you BEFORE I did a deep dive research on this topic.

And finally, I didn't spend five figures on my safe, just over 2K. For me, that is more than worth the peace of mind I have.

[jetta20162]

If you are at home and get robbed your safe might become useless if someone life threatens you to open it. If your collection is really that valuable (like into 5 to 6 figures), i wouldn't even think about keeping it at home. Otherwise i wouldn't spend too much for a safe. I have a cheap one, mainly to keep the cards dry inside with de-humidifiers, but my collection is also not worth that much :)

[jcardstore]

No offense but you still don't know the basics of safes.

Weight is very relevant for safes. The heavier it is, the more metal and concrete surrounding the safe, making it harder to penetrate. A 67 lb safe is nothing but thin metal. Anyone with a decent metal drill can drill into it in no time.

Another big method of entry is the door. Most cheap safes have a good sized gap between the closings, allowing for crow bars to penetrate the gap and pry open.

I know when you look at your safe, it looks solid. After all, it's metal. I thought the same as you BEFORE I did a deep dive research on this topic.

And finally, I didn't spend five figures on my safe, just over 2K. For me, that is more than worth the peace of mind I have.

any safe, will deter most people.

If someone has researched to the point of knowing your individual safe and brings power tools to your house to break into it, it doesn't matter if it's a 60lb or 600lb. They are clearly motivated to get in the safe and you have bigger problems.

I'm not here to debate the specifics of how easy or difficult it is to break into any specific safe because it's not relevant to what the OP is asking and I don't really care.

[jcardstore]

If you think you’re going to be the target for thieves then sure, by all means go all Fort Knox if you have to… but if you’re some regular dude who just wants to lock away some valuables then just about anything is gonna work fine

[Boo]

Just bury it in the backyard. Metal box inside a couple plastic containers. Fire won't get it and neither will the robbers!

[GOATMJ]

If you have a very expensive collection, look into a Media safe. They're the only ones that will keep your cards from melting in case of a fire. They're very expensive but was worth the peace of mind for me personally.

[ReggieBush22]

any safe, will deter most people.

If someone has researched to the point of knowing your individual safe and brings power tools to your house to break into it, it doesn't matter if it's a 60lb or 600lb. They are clearly motivated to get in the safe and you have bigger problems.

I'm not here to debate the specifics of how easy or difficult it is to break into any specific safe because it's not relevant to what the OP is asking and I don't really care.

Yes, vast majority of people will be deterred by a safe. It just comes down to how much TRUE security do you want in the small chance someone who knows what they are doing breaks into your home. A normal safe is easy pickings. A safe like mines will probably deter them unless if they have a ton of time.

[jcardstore]

Yes, vast majority of people will be deterred by a safe. It just comes down to how much TRUE security do you want in the small chance someone who knows what they are doing breaks into your home. A normal safe is easy pickings. A safe like mines will probably deter them unless if they have a ton of time.

I'll say, there's no dollar amount worth your peace of mind. So if the safe makes you feel better any amount is worth it

[PuddleMonkey]

If you think you’re going to be the target for thieves then sure, by all means go all Fort Knox if you have to… but if you’re some regular dude who just wants to lock away some valuables then just about anything is gonna work fine

According to the poll in the baseball forum most of Blowout is sitting on collections worth millions. :D