View Full Version : Sport Kings Master Case Group Break
mwheeler27
10-05-2007, 11:21 PM
Alright Guys,
Because of the interest I see in doing this "master" case break of Sport Kings, I have decided to start an official thread. Here is the way it will work:
I will order and video tape a break of an 18-box Master case of Sport Kings from Blowout. This 18-box case is divided up into six 3-box cases. Each 3 box case will be divided up into 11 slots as follows:
9 Auto/Memorabilia slots...
1 slot for all the 1933 parallel size cards (3 cards total)
1 slot for all the base cards (9 cards total)
There will be a total of 66 slots.
Each slot will cost $102 delivered. (I will need to hear from Chris at Blowout to make sure I don't take a big loss on this price, but I think it's doable).
I will have the case shipped overnight, and I will either break it the same day I receive it, or first thing the following morning. I will ship out all slots to each buyer the same day of the break.
Each buyer will need to Paypal me, or send a money order/cashier's check, (pm me for my address), a few days prior to scheduled release date. Right now that date is Novermber 1st, meaning I will need your payment by October 26th. Any slots that are not paid for by then can be purchased by anyone else that wants them.
My Paypal ID is: mwheeler@mail.holton.k12.ks.us
Please let me know if I'm forgetting something.
I will start adding the user names of each member that commits to buying slots in the next post. I will edit it as new names appear.
mwheeler27
10-05-2007, 11:22 PM
Here are the members that have agreed to purchase slots so far. Let me know if I have made a mistake or left anyone out. Note...the price per slot increased from $99 to $102 because the case price increased by $350.
Tim - 4 slots. paid 7, 11, 27, 63
KenTyler - 5 slots. paid 5, 12, 20, 24, 60
Bradolson - 4 slots. paid 13, 36, 43, 58
danimal - 4 slots. paid 2, 26, 55, 62
bigdsdynasty - 2 slots. paid 17, 52
wunderkindcards - 5 slots. paid 1, 8, 29, 44, 59,
Magicman32 - 1 slot. paid 35
thekramers5 - 8 slots. paid 6, 15, 19, 30, 33, 46, 49, 53
guru - 1 slot. paid 48
jcmouth - 3 slots. paid 4, 38, 54
mdb92951 - 2 slots. paid 42, 51
VinnyH - 3 slots. paid 21, 41, 65
hockeyjunkie99 - 2 slots. paid 22, 39
tprine - 5 slots. paid 10, 14, 31, 45, 56
Vintage Collector - 4 slots. paid 25, 32, 40, 61
otmack2o - 2 slots. paid 16, 57
pittsnogled - 2 slots. paid 23, 66
mcguirem13 - 2 slots. paid 18, 50
obzezzed - 2 slots. paid 28, 47
clemente21 - 2 slots. paid 3, 64
Boo - 2 slots paid 9, 34
brianennis - 1 slot paid 37
My Paypal ID is: mwheeler@mail.holton.k12.ks.us
That's 66 slots spoken for. All sold out!
wunderkindcards
10-05-2007, 11:30 PM
I will take 5 slots
mwheeler27
10-05-2007, 11:37 PM
I will take 5 slots
Got it. Thanks!
Bradolson - 3 slots, maybe 4. (let me know for sure)
Make it 4.
jcmouth
10-06-2007, 02:18 AM
I'll take 3 slots. Thanks!
KenTyler
10-06-2007, 08:35 AM
I will take 3 slots
mdb92951
10-06-2007, 08:44 AM
Matt,
Will take 2 if still available
Mike
VinnyH
10-06-2007, 09:34 AM
1 slot for me please
Thanks,
Vinny
I am in for 1, we will work it out.
hockeyjunkie99
10-06-2007, 04:46 PM
I will take 1 slot for now.
NICK
VinnyH
10-06-2007, 05:47 PM
Matt,
Please make it 2 slots total for me. I just realized I have a little more PayPal coming in to play with.
Thanks,
Vinny
mwheeler27
10-06-2007, 06:57 PM
I added another slot for you Vinny. I believe the count is up to date again.
Thanks.
mwheeler27
10-08-2007, 09:39 AM
I just heard back from Chris regarding the price I could get the Sport Kings master case for. Sport Kings told him they are sold out now, and the price has went up $350 per master case over the weekend! At 66 slots, that would equal an increase of $5.30 per slot.
Chris is giving us a good price since this is a "group" case break, but I will still need to charge an additional $3 per slot in order to reduce my loss on this break. Please let me know if you are still in for the slots you committed to at $102 now instead of $99.
Paypal fees are going to be significant on this group case break since it's such a high dollar item. I'm sure I will still be taking a small loss on this break, but I don't mind at all. I hope we can still do this. It would be a lot of fun seeing what our members will pull from this case.
Keep in mind that at $102 per slot and 66 slots in this break, that equals $6732, which is still less than what Chris is now selling the cases for on his sight, and doesn't include any Paypal or shipping fees. With the break he's giving us, $102 delivered should be the break-even price.
$102 is still fine for me.
And as long as the price is going up for boxes/cases, increase my order to 6 slots :)
VinnyH
10-08-2007, 09:45 AM
what's a couple of bucks among friends. :)!
Best to All,
Vinny
hockeyjunkie99
10-08-2007, 05:03 PM
102 is fine with me.
I still want three at 102 each. thanks Matt!
KenTyler
10-08-2007, 06:29 PM
I am still good for three!
Ken
jcmouth
10-09-2007, 12:25 AM
I'm still in for three.
MaddoxBT
10-09-2007, 01:22 AM
If anyone wants my slot, let me know. Had an unexpected money problem come up, and am scrambling at the moment.
Vintage Collector
10-09-2007, 06:18 AM
I am looking for some slots, how many are left?
How many do you have left?
mwheeler27
10-09-2007, 09:16 AM
If anyone wants my slot, let me know. Had an unexpected money problem come up, and am scrambling at the moment.
MaddoxBT, no problem. I removed you from the list. If you change your mind, and there are still some left, just let me know.
mwheeler27
10-09-2007, 09:19 AM
I am looking for some slots, how many are left?
How many do you have left?
Currently, there are 38 slots spoken for leaving 28.
You can find all of the details on the 1st page of this thread. I have been updating the 2nd post on the first page with everyone's slots and how many are left. I think it's all up-to-date now. Let me know if I'm missing someone.
Thanks,
Matt
Vintage Collector
10-09-2007, 10:45 AM
Currently, there are 38 slots spoken for leaving 28.
You can find all of the details on the 1st page of this thread. I have been updating the 2nd post on the first page with everyone's slots and how many are left. I think it's all up-to-date now. Let me know if I'm missing someone.
Thanks,
Matt
Put me down for 2 slots please.
danimal
10-09-2007, 01:56 PM
Matt, Lock me in for 4 slots. Thanks Daniel
mwheeler27
10-09-2007, 05:12 PM
Matt, Lock me in for 4 slots. Thanks Daniel
Daniel, I have you down for 4 slots now. Thanks.
That makes 41 slots taken with 25 left. These slots are a bargain at $102 delivered given the new price increase per case. There should be a lot of happy board members after this break...knock on wood. :flex:
otmack2o
10-09-2007, 05:17 PM
mwheeler, I am interested in 2 slots if they are still available.
Thank you.
mwheeler27
10-09-2007, 05:20 PM
mwheeler, I am interested in 2 slots if they are still available.
Thank you.
You're in. Thanks.
23 left.
KenTyler
10-09-2007, 08:04 PM
Two more for me (Total 5). Thanks
Ken
Vintage Collector
10-10-2007, 10:06 AM
mwheeler,
I'll take another slot, ( 3 total )
danimal
10-10-2007, 10:23 AM
I have one quick question, this is my first time participating in a group break -how are the slot assignments determined?
otmack2o
10-10-2007, 10:24 AM
dan, if this is like the others, it will be random assignment. I have done some assignments for others using a random number generator in excel.
mwheeler27
10-10-2007, 10:41 AM
The list has been updated. 20 left!
Tony,
If you don't mind doing the random generator for me as well, that would be great. I can do it, but I think it's best to have someone other than the guy doing the break to come up with slot assignments. What do you think? Would you do it again?
Matt
Magicman32
10-10-2007, 08:45 PM
I am still in with the price increase. When do you need payment by?
mwheeler27
10-10-2007, 08:48 PM
I am still in with the price increase. When do you need payment by?
Everything is updated.
I will need payment by the 22nd of October. That's 3 days prior to "scheduled" release. And if someone has not paid by then, that will leave a few days for others to buy those slots.
otmack2o
10-10-2007, 08:50 PM
The list has been updated. 20 left!
Tony,
If you don't mind doing the random generator for me as well, that would be great. I can do it, but I think it's best to have someone other than the guy doing the break to come up with slot assignments. What do you think? Would you do it again?
Matt
Matt, I have no problem doing it. Just email me a list of IDs (A,B,C, etc.) as well as the number of slots each ID has.
I will assign them to positions 1-66 (66 slots, right?)
My email address: t_2_t_2_2@hotmail.com
Tony
mwheeler27
10-10-2007, 08:54 PM
Tony,
Thanks. I'll email these to you once everyone has paid. Yes, 66 slots.
Matt
tprine
10-11-2007, 09:48 PM
mwheeler, i'll take 2 more slots please. really looking forward to this break.
Vintage Collector
10-11-2007, 10:36 PM
how many slots are left?
i will take one more, if available
mwheeler27
10-11-2007, 11:13 PM
Vintage,
I have you down for one more, (4 total). Tprine, you are down for 2 more as well.
We have 17 slots left at $102 per slot. (49 already taken!) All updates and remaining slot count are in the 2nd post on page one. Let me know if I have missed anyone.
thekramers5
10-12-2007, 03:43 AM
Matt - definitely fine with the price increase and increase mine by 1 more to 5 total!
Thanks!
wunderkindcards
10-12-2007, 09:01 AM
Good with price increase and I will stay at 5 total.
pittsnogled
10-12-2007, 03:55 PM
I'll take 2 slots.
mwheeler27
10-12-2007, 04:08 PM
I'll take 2 slots.
You're in. Only 14 slots left.
go_steelers07
10-13-2007, 08:58 AM
Bump...... when is the official release date anyway? is it still the 25th?
mdb92951
10-14-2007, 02:23 PM
Recieved via e-mail
Release date is Nov 1, 2007
mwheeler27
10-14-2007, 03:45 PM
Recieved via e-mail
Release date is Nov 1, 2007
Grumble grumble. Oh boy, here we go.
VinnyH
10-14-2007, 03:45 PM
The 1st is fine with me. I just hate when these companies can't get it right to begin with.
Best to All,
Vinny
mwheeler27
10-15-2007, 04:21 PM
Vintage Collector,
The updated list for this "master" case break of Sportkings is on the first page, second post.
Sportkings announced that this product is now going to be live on November 1st instead of October 25th. They also said that they have all of the autos in hand now! I'll keep my fingers crossed, but hopefully this won't be delayed any more.
All payments to me will need to be made by Friday, October 26th. I will keep you posted with any other information. Still some slots left.
Matt -- put me down for one more slot, giving me a total of four.
Also, I have been direct with these guys for several years, and when they commit to a date (as they did yesterday to November 1), they almost always keep it. Only once in three years did they miss their date, and even then it was only a couple week delay.
mwheeler27
10-15-2007, 06:50 PM
Tim,
You now have 4 total. Thanks. There's 13 slots left now.
That's good news that hopefully that date will stick. I would love to get this done in a couple of weeks. Thanks for the info.
VinnyH
10-15-2007, 07:17 PM
Matt,
I just PayPal'd the funds.
It may not be everyone but someone is going to get something special from this case. :)!
Best to All,
Vinny
mwheeler27
10-15-2007, 07:24 PM
Vinny,
I received your payment and updated the list. Thanks.
You're right, someone, (and hopefully several someones), are going to get something good.
Matt
bigdsdynasty
10-19-2007, 07:34 AM
I'm O.K. with the price increase also(noticed you didn't have me marked down as noting that). When do you want the money again? Thanks, Donavon
mcguirem13
10-20-2007, 07:48 AM
I'll take 2 slots.
mwheeler27
10-20-2007, 12:41 PM
I'm O.K. with the price increase also(noticed you didn't have me marked down as noting that). When do you want the money again? Thanks, Donavon
Donovan,
Thanks. Everyone is fine with the $102 price.
I would like to have payment by Friday, October 26th since this product is live on November 1st. This will give others through the weekend and 2 more business days to buy what others haven't paid for.
Matt
mwheeler27
10-20-2007, 12:42 PM
I'll take 2 slots.
You're in. Thanks.
11 slots left.
mcguirem13
10-22-2007, 05:42 PM
Matt, I just send payment via paypal for my slots. Thanks!
-Mark
mwheeler27
10-22-2007, 05:46 PM
Matt, I just send payment via paypal for my slots. Thanks!
-Mark
Thanks Mark. I have it noted on the first page.
otmack2o
10-24-2007, 07:41 AM
Matt, if all slots do not sell, is this still a go?
mwheeler27
10-24-2007, 09:25 AM
Matt, if all slots do not sell, is this still a go?
Yes, I will take all the remaining slots.
otmack2o
10-24-2007, 09:32 AM
OK, when do you need payment?
hockeyjunkie99
10-24-2007, 09:43 AM
TONY,
No later then the 26th....preferably in the morning!!!!!!!!:mad:....Don't mind the attitude, I got ripped like this for not reading a thread before I asked a question.:)!
otmack2o
10-24-2007, 09:49 AM
lol hockey, I was just giving a friendly bump since I see most people have not paid yet.
BTW, payment sent.
hockeyjunkie99
10-24-2007, 10:04 AM
I haven't paid yet.....lol....ya wanna go???:eek: I'm hoping the longer I wait the better my slot selection will be..:)!
BTW Matt,
Are you waiting for all payments before you do the slot selection?
danimal
10-24-2007, 10:14 AM
I haven't paid yet.....lol....ya wanna go???:eek: I'm hoping the longer I wait the better my slot selection will be..:)!
BTW Matt,
Are you waiting for all payments before you do the slot selection?
I think that a someone other than Matt has voluntered to run a random number program to assign the slots.
KenTyler
10-24-2007, 10:16 AM
Payment Sent For 5 Slots
Thanks Matt!
Ken
hockeyjunkie99
10-24-2007, 10:23 AM
you rich people you!!!...anyone want to pay for my one slot????I hope i make top card with my one slot:D
Tony,
You are doing the slot assignments. I just back tracked and you volunteered, correct?
otmack2o
10-24-2007, 10:53 AM
Yes sir
mwheeler27
10-24-2007, 11:16 AM
Okay Guys,
All payments so far are updated in the 2nd post on the first page. We have 55 slots spoken for, leaving 11 left if anyone else wants in.
All slots need to be paid for by day's end this Friday, October 26th. Those that haven't paid by then will risk losing their slots to anyone else that wants them.
In the event that all slots are not paid for, I will take them. I'm not a big fan of the breaker participating in slots, but I think we all want this break to be a complete Master case and not just several boxes. I will take random slots just like everyone else, OR if there were 11 slots not paid for for instance, we could randomly leave a 3-box case unopened. We can decide on this the first part of next week. Personally, I think we need to open every box in the case for the best shot at the best hits.
Let me know if any of you want any of the remaining slots, and if I have left anyone out. This should be a lot of fun, and some of us should get some really good cards.
Thanks,
Matt
hockeyjunkie99
10-24-2007, 11:42 AM
Matt,
If there are any slots remaining I will take at least one more to alleviate the extras.
mwheeler27
10-24-2007, 12:28 PM
Matt,
If there are any slots remaining I will take at least one more to alleviate the extras.
Nick,
There are currently 11 left, so let me know when you want to.
Thanks.
pittsnogled
10-24-2007, 04:29 PM
Just sent payment
Thanks!
VinnyH
10-24-2007, 06:06 PM
add another slot for me please. I'll Paypal by Friday.
Best to All,
Vinny
mwheeler27
10-24-2007, 06:23 PM
add another slot for me please. I'll Paypal by Friday.
Best to All,
Vinny
Thanks Vinny. I have you down for 3 now.
56 gone, & 10 left.
payment sent for my 4 slots
mwheeler27
10-25-2007, 10:36 AM
payment sent for my 4 slots
I marked you down. Thanks.
Vintage Collector
10-25-2007, 11:23 AM
Payment sent for 4 slots.
Thanks for setting this up.
Good Luck to everyone.
Looking forward to this one.
otmack2o
10-25-2007, 11:25 AM
Definitely looking forward to this next week. Hopefully everyone can get their payments sent in on time so that this goes off without any hangups.
Matt, do you know when you will be sending me the list of "blind" user IDs and number of slots?
mwheeler27
10-25-2007, 11:57 AM
Vintage, I have you down as paying for your 4 slots. Thanks.
Tony, unless you know a better way, I think I'll have to wait until all slots are either spoken and paid for, or the night before the case is delivered. Is that what you would suggest?
otmack2o
10-25-2007, 12:01 PM
Whatever works for you. It will only take a few minutes to generate the slot assignments.
mwheeler27
10-25-2007, 02:54 PM
Just an update...
Tim, I marked you down as paid. Thanks.
56 slots spoken for.
32 already paid for.
24 yet to be paid for that are already spoken for.
10 slots left to be taken.
obzezzed
10-25-2007, 06:21 PM
Hi i'm new, this sounds like a great idea!
Sign me up for 2 slots!
I just paypalled you $204.
:)
mwheeler27
10-25-2007, 06:33 PM
Hi i'm new, this sounds like a great idea!
Sign me up for 2 slots!
I just paypalled you $204.
:)
It should be a lot of fun. Thanks for the quick payment. I have you down for two slots.
Only 8 left.
hockeyjunkie99
10-25-2007, 07:51 PM
Matt,
Throw me another Slot(2 total). I will either pay tonight after my auctions end or first thing tomorrow morning.
mwheeler27
10-25-2007, 08:33 PM
Matt,
Throw me another Slot(2 total). I will either pay tonight after my auctions end or first thing tomorrow morning.
Nick, I have you down for 2 slots now. Thanks. Good luck with your auctions tonight.
7 slots left.
VinnyH
10-25-2007, 09:59 PM
Matt and Everyone Else,
I may be the eternal optimist but I think we'll see some nice stuff and I am psyched to get this done.
My humble opinion is that Dr. Price can't flop on his first big venture into this market. There's got to be some great stuff out of this case. Considering he's planning a Series B and it's high end, he's got to win us over.
Did I mention I was psyched. :D
Best to All,
Vinny
mwheeler27
10-25-2007, 10:29 PM
Thanks for your payment Vinny. I'm excited as well. Need something good after that Razor Poker debacle.
Vintage Collector
10-25-2007, 10:40 PM
I hope your right. The Series A checklist looks a bit weak.
Phil Helmuth, Greg Louganis???
Lets hope the do not disappoint and hold out the heavy hitters for Series B.
Has there been a Series A mentioned from day one or did they just add that?
mwheeler27
10-25-2007, 11:01 PM
They've been talking about series B for a long time now. Not sure about "since day one" though.
clemente21
10-26-2007, 12:45 AM
Nick, I have you down for 2 slots now. Thanks. Good luck with your auctions tonight.
7 slots left.
Can I please have 2 slots? Paypal payment is on its way. Thanks.
mwheeler27
10-26-2007, 02:58 AM
Can I please have 2 slots? Paypal payment is on its way. Thanks.
You're in. Thanks for the quick payment.
Only 5 slots left!
hockeyjunkie99
10-26-2007, 06:32 AM
Matt,
Payment Sent for my 2 slots.:)!
thekramers5
10-26-2007, 06:32 AM
Matt...put me down for 3 more slots (couldn't wait any longer ... need to get this SOLD OUT and CONFIRMED)!! Total of 8 slots.
Paypay just sent.
Thanks!
TK
Matt...does that leave 2 slots? If so, I'll take them. Let me know and I'll paypal you asap.
VinnyH
10-26-2007, 07:45 AM
Phil Helmuth, Greg Louganis???
I agree there are some odd/common names in the auto list but if they are limited they'll get us something back. It's part of the gamble.
Hey, I can't believe they even made Razor Poker.
Best to All,
Vinny
danimal
10-26-2007, 08:03 AM
Matt,
I just sent my payment for 4 slots.
Thanks
mwheeler27
10-26-2007, 08:19 AM
Matt...does that leave 2 slots? If so, I'll take them. Let me know and I'll paypal you asap.
Boo, you are correct. Just 2 slots left. I have marked them down as yours.
I have updated the list, and we are all sold out now with just a few people remaining to pay for their slots. What isn't paid for be the end of today, will be open for anyone else to buy.
Thanks to all that purchased slots so we could actually break a Master case.
otmack2o
10-26-2007, 08:22 AM
Here is a link to the post showing who still needs to pay and where to send the payment:
http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9293&postcount=2
If anyone has any contact info for these people other than this site, I would send them a quick email or something to remind them of this and ask if they are still interested.
iluvfish2
10-26-2007, 08:25 AM
I wish you guys the best on this. I'd love to get in, but since I'm in on the smaller one (which if the wife finds out, I'm still in deep doo), I don't dare. I'm with everyone hoping this product is a big hit. I'm glad to see it sold out.
Good luck to all! May we all make $$ on this and funnel the profits back to blowout help feed our addiction!
Payment sent for 2 slots. Thanks!
mwheeler27
10-26-2007, 09:36 AM
Payment sent for 2 slots. Thanks!
Boo, I received your payment. Thanks!
That leaves just 5 more people to pay. The case will be overnighted to me as soon as Chris can ship it out. I'm hoping for a fun and profitable week for everyone next week. :)! I hope you all have a great weekend.
Take care,
Matt
bigdsdynasty
10-26-2007, 11:45 AM
I paid for my 2 slots a few minutes ago. Thanks!!!
mwheeler27
10-26-2007, 11:47 AM
I paid for my 2 slots a few minutes ago. Thanks!!!
I marked you down. Thanks.
Only 10 slots left to be paid for.
Just so everyone knows, case has already been ordered and funds sent. It will be overnighted to me, and the breaking will be underway just as soon as I can possibly get it.
bigdsdynasty
10-26-2007, 11:48 AM
I'd take another one if someone else doesn't pay.
Sellis75
10-26-2007, 12:02 PM
I will take 2 spots if someone does not pay.
mwheeler27
10-26-2007, 12:18 PM
I marked you 2 down in the 2nd post as taking the first 3 slots if any go unpaid. Thanks for volunteering. The slots will be offered to you guys first.
wunderkindcards
10-26-2007, 03:45 PM
Payment Sent
mwheeler27
10-26-2007, 03:53 PM
Payment Sent
Payment received. Thanks!
mwheeler27
10-26-2007, 03:57 PM
Okay guys, one person is unable to participate now leaving one more slot open. We have only 4 other slots yet to be paid for.
So, if bigdsdynasty wants this other slot, (since he's the first one to volunteer), and pays for it by tonight, it's his. Just let me know if you still want it.
Thanks,
Matt
brianennis
10-26-2007, 04:53 PM
i will take any leftovers also.
Magicman32
10-26-2007, 05:30 PM
Just sent you my payment for 1 slot. Thanks Dan
bigdsdynasty
10-27-2007, 08:09 AM
Sorry I wasn't online last night, If someone else got the slot that is fine. Just let me know so I can pay for the slot or not. Thanks, Donavon
mwheeler27
10-27-2007, 10:45 AM
Sorry I wasn't online last night, If someone else got the slot that is fine. Just let me know so I can pay for the slot or not. Thanks, Donavon
Donovan,
You're still fine. If you can send payment today, this slot will be yours.
Thanks,
Matt
CaptainBOHICA
10-27-2007, 11:51 AM
if there is a slot left, can i get it? ill be in and out today but let me know. ill shoot payment if i can get a slot as soon as i see a confirmation.
bigdsdynasty
10-27-2007, 12:27 PM
Go ahead and let Captain have it.
CaptainBOHICA
10-27-2007, 12:29 PM
Go ahead and let Captain have it.
big.. thanks, but i looked at the frist page and i didn't realize there was already a "just in case line" and you were up first.. my apologies...but its cool. i dont mind going to the end of the line. thanks though
:)!
jcmouth
10-27-2007, 01:11 PM
Matt - Paypal payment was sent yesterday afternoon. Just wanted to confirm as the list doesn't show my payment.
hockeyjunkie99
10-27-2007, 01:19 PM
Is everyone paid now. I would like to get the Slot assignments done. I want to know where I stand....hehehe:D
obzezzed
10-27-2007, 05:06 PM
Is everyone paid now. I would like to get the Slot assignments done. I want to know where I stand....hehehe:D
Me too! Can't wait!!! GL to all! :D
mwheeler27
10-28-2007, 03:45 PM
Everyone has paid, but there is still that one slot remaining where the original member can no longer take it. One of these 3 people need to let me know by tonight if they want it:
bigdsdynasty
Sellis75
brianennis
We will go in order. If I don't hear from bigdsdynasty by midnight, then it will go to Sellis75. If I don't hear from either one of them, it then will go to brianennis. If I don't hear from all 3, I believe CaptainBOHICA is next in line. Don't wait for the others to respond, let me know if you want it, and if someone in front of you does not respond by tonight, it's yours.
Thanks to all. Can't wait for this to be live.
obzezzed
10-28-2007, 06:56 PM
Everyone has paid, but there is still that one slot remaining where the original member can no longer take it. One of these 3 people need to let me know by tonight if they want it:
bigdsdynasty
Sellis75
brianennis
We will go in order. If I don't hear from bigdsdynasty by midnight, then it will go to Sellis75. If I don't hear from either one of them, it then will go to brianennis. If I don't hear from all 3, I believe CaptainBOHICA is next in line. Don't wait for the others to respond, let me know if you want it, and if someone in front of you does not respond by tonight, it's yours.
Thanks to all. Can't wait for this to be live.
And if all of these people don't want it/don't pay, put me in for another slot! I've got a very itchy paypal trigger finger!! :)!
hockeyjunkie99
10-28-2007, 07:05 PM
Matt, Have you preordered the case? I should probably re-read page one but too lazy. Will the case ship out on Nov 1st if it "is" live??
mwheeler27
10-28-2007, 07:16 PM
Matt, Have you preordered the case? I should probably re-read page one but too lazy. Will the case ship out on Nov 1st if it "is" live??
Yes, the case is already ordered, and will be shipped out o/n as soon as it's available.
hockeyjunkie99
10-28-2007, 07:53 PM
Very nice!!!!!:)!
brianennis
10-28-2007, 08:07 PM
i will def. take it if the other two don't respond. i will be at work most of the day tom. but will be off tuesday and will pay then if not sooner.
mwheeler27
10-28-2007, 08:15 PM
i will def. take it if the other two don't respond. i will be at work most of the day tom. but will be off tuesday and will pay then if not sooner.
Okay. I will wait to see if the others respond tonight. If they don't, it's yours. I will probably have the slot assignments tomorrow then.
otmack2o
10-28-2007, 09:08 PM
Matt, here is my email address (if you don't already have it) for the slot assignments. t_2_t_2_2 @ hotmail.com (without the spaces around the '@' of course).
hockeyjunkie99
10-28-2007, 09:16 PM
Tony,
Is that a cryptic email addy????
otmack2o
10-28-2007, 09:22 PM
lol, not that I am aware of. Cryptic in what way?
hockeyjunkie99
10-28-2007, 09:25 PM
It may just be me. I don't know what I'm talking about. Its past my bed time......lol:D
mwheeler27
10-29-2007, 09:12 AM
i will def. take it if the other two don't respond. i will be at work most of the day tom. but will be off tuesday and will pay then if not sooner.
brianennis, this last pack is yours. Pay me when you can. I will send Tony what he needs to generate the slot assignments shortly.
otmack2o
10-29-2007, 10:59 AM
Slot assignments generated and returned. Good luck everyone!
mwheeler27
10-29-2007, 01:38 PM
Thanks Tony. I will post the slot assignments on the first page in the 2nd post beside each member's user name.
To be clear as to what each slot is, below is how I will number each one:
This master case has 18 boxes. It is divided up into SIX 3-box inner cases. Each 3-box case will have 11 slots. The first 9 slots (numbered 1 through 9 in order), will be the 9 Auto/Memorabilia slots as they are pulled in order. The 10th slot will be all of the 1933 parallel size cards, (3 cards total), and the 11th slot will be all of the base cards in that 3-box case, (9 cards total). This will be repeated for each 3-box case.
Here is the break down again for each 3-box case:
9 Auto/Memorabilia slots...
1 slot for all the 1933 parallel size cards (3 cards total)
1 slot for all the base cards (9 cards total)
Let me know if anyone has any questions.
Thanks,
Matt
VinnyH
10-29-2007, 01:58 PM
I have:
Slot 21 - 1933 sized 3 parallels
Slot 41 - 1 auto or memorabilia
Slot 65 - 1933 sized 3 parallels
Not bad, I have a feeling the parallels should do okay since there are probably no more then 100 of each of those.
Good Luck to All,
Vinny
(correct me if I'm wrong)
CaptainBOHICA
10-29-2007, 02:05 PM
those parallels might end up being more $ than people might think.. id rather have those than a crappy gu or auto LOL
mwheeler27
10-29-2007, 02:10 PM
Case 1:
Slot 1 - wunderkindcards
Slot 2 - danimal
Slot 3 - clemente21
Slot 4 - jcmouth
Slot 5 - KenTyler
Slot 6 - thekramers5
Slot 7 - Tim
Slot 8 - wunderkindcards
Slot 9 - Boo
Slot 10 (3 parallel cards) - tprine
Slot 11 (9 base cards) - Tim
Case 2:
Slot 12 - KenTyler
Slot 13 - Bradolson
Slot 14 - tprine
Slot 15 - thekramers5
Slot 16 - otmack2o
Slot 17 - begdsdynasty
Slot 18 - mcguirem13
Slot 19 - thekramers5
Slot 20 - KenTyler
Slot 21 (3 parallel cards) - VinnyH
Slot 22 (9 base cards) - hockeyjunkie99
Case 3:
Slot 23 - pittsnogled
Slot 24 - KenTyler
Slot 25 - VintageCollector
Slot 26 - danimal
Slot 27 - Tim
Slot 28 - obzeaaed
Slot 29 - wunderkindcards
Slot 30 - thekramers5
Slot 31 - tprine
Slot 32 (3 parallel cards) - Vintage Collector
Slot 33 (9 base cards) - thekramers5
Case 4:
Slot 34 - Boo
Slot 35 - Magicman32
Slot 36 - Bradolson
Slot 37 - brianennis
Slot 38 - jcmouth
Slot 39 - hockeyjunkie99
Slot 40 - VintageCollector
Slot 41 - VinnyH
Slot 42 - mdb92951
Slot 43 (3 parallel cards) - Bradolson
Slot 44 (9 base cards) - wunderkindcards
Case 5:
Slot 45 - tprine
Slot 46 - thekramers5
Slot 47 - obzezzed
Slot 48 - guru
Slot 49 - thekramers5
Slot 50 - mcguirem13
Slot 51 - mdb92951
Slot 52 - bigdsdynasty
Slot 53 - thekramers5
Slot 54 (3 parallel cards) - jcmouth
Slot 55 (9 base cards) - danimal
Case 6:
Slot 56 - tprine
Slot 57 - otmack2o
Slot 58 - Bradolson
Slot 59 - wunderkindcards
Slot 60 - KenTyler
Slot 61 - VintageCollector
Slot 62 - danimal
Slot 63 - Tim
Slot 64 - clemente21
Slot 65 (3 parallel cards) - VinnyH
Slot 66 (9 base cards) - pittsnogled
If you find any discrepencies with this list as apposed to the one in the 2nd post on page one, page one is likely correct. Let me know if you find anything wrong or questionable.
Thanks again,
Matt
hockeyjunkie99
10-29-2007, 02:57 PM
I got:
Slot 22 (9 base cards)
Slot 39 (1 auto/memorabilia)
I want a 1/1 cut auto if possible?
What are we going to guess the each type of slot is going to go for?
IE.... base, 1933 parallel or auto memorabilia?? any guesses?
VinnyH
10-29-2007, 03:24 PM
The kramers5 hit all great slots.
:)!
Best to All,
Vinny
obzezzed
10-29-2007, 04:30 PM
So does this mean that "wunderkindcards" gets the first "hit" in the first box, whether it's an auto or memorbilia, and "danimal" gets the 2nd "hit", and so on and so on?? (In order the way it's packaged)
When you do the break are you going to say, "and the first card, which goes to blahblahblah, is ............" or is it just going to be quick and we're gonna have to memorize our slot #?
Thanks!
-Obzezzed
hockeyjunkie99
10-29-2007, 04:45 PM
WOW,
Kramer5 gets 3 hits out of one case. I bet my money on him catching that case card!!!:D
I am actually very pleased I have a base card lot as one of my slots!
hockeyjunkie99
10-29-2007, 04:46 PM
is there a checklist yet? Does anyone think that there are going to be any "nice" base cards= $$$$$?
VinnyH
10-29-2007, 05:21 PM
is there a checklist yet? Does anyone think that there are going to be any "nice" base cards= $$$$$?
I think i heard somewhere that some or all of the base may be numbered, don't quote me. with only 4500 packs, it seems likely that they'll be tough to put together a set of.
Base Checklist Link (http://www.sportkingsgum.com/products/0607_seriesa/seriesa_c_base.php)
Best to All,
Vinny
hockeyjunkie99
10-29-2007, 05:26 PM
Ugh!! Thats a rough looking check list!!!! I hope my Auto/Memorabilia slot makes up for it!!! .lol
hockeyjunkie99
10-29-2007, 05:27 PM
So there are cut and low #'ed auto/memorabilia cards. :)!
brianennis
10-29-2007, 05:46 PM
payment sent and i got the perfect slot for me. i have worn the number 4 in every sport i have played since i was 8 years old and i got the 4th slot in the 4 case. that is going to be some major MOJ .... good luck for me.:)!
mdb92951
10-29-2007, 05:52 PM
Auto checklist
http://www.sportkingsgum.com/products/0607_seriesa/seriesa_c_auto.php
Memorabilia Checklist
http://www.sportkingsgum.com/products/0607_seriesa/seriesa_c_gumem.php
Made to Order
http://www.sportkingsgum.com/products/0607_seriesa/seriesa_mto.php
mdb92951
10-29-2007, 05:56 PM
payment sent and i got the perfect slot for me. i have worn the number 4 in every sport i have played since i was 8 years old and i got the 4th slot in the 4 case. that is going to be some major MOJ .... good luck for me.:)!
Maybe there will be some left for me - Slot 51 born in 1951.
hockeyjunkie99
10-29-2007, 06:15 PM
Well,
I can't associate my slots with anything. So maybe I'm SOL....:D
wunderkindcards
10-29-2007, 06:20 PM
If you were going to "Made to Order" a triple player, which three would you guys choose?
hockeyjunkie99
10-29-2007, 06:21 PM
Martin Brodeur, Mario Lemieux & Reggie Bush
mdb92951
10-29-2007, 06:40 PM
If you were going to "Made to Order" a triple player, which three would you guys choose?
Clemente Hat/Liemieux Glove/Dorsett Jersey
KenTyler
10-29-2007, 06:41 PM
I don't know if anyone else is interested, but I for one would like to have one or more of the boxes that these cards come in. I would gladly pay the extra shipping to get one or more. How many others are interested?
Also, what is everyone's opinion of what the top 5 auto's are in this set?
Ken
hockeyjunkie99
10-29-2007, 06:46 PM
Your being that specific there MDB???
Brodeur(stick), Lemieux(glove), Bush(cleat)
hockeyjunkie99
10-29-2007, 06:47 PM
Ken,
You talking overall, GU'ed auto?
mcguirem13
10-29-2007, 06:48 PM
I would choose a theme, so probably baseball:
Clemente, Ted Williams, and Musial
obzezzed
10-29-2007, 06:49 PM
Maybe there will be some left for me - Slot 51 born in 1951.
I can play this game too! Slot 28 and I'm 28 yrs old.....:D
KenTyler
10-29-2007, 07:05 PM
hockeyjunkie 99
Yeah, I didn't see that there was GU/Auto cards as well as plain auto and gu. I guess I would rephrase my question as, other than the made to order and the 1/1 and presidential cut autos, what are the best cards in the set?
hockeyjunkie99
10-29-2007, 07:37 PM
Larry Bird, Reggie Bush, Patrick Roy, Mario Lemieux, Martin Broduer
mwheeler27
10-29-2007, 07:46 PM
I think Secretariat will be sought after more than most.
KenTyler
10-29-2007, 07:50 PM
Matt,
As to Secretariet, Game Used or Auto?
hockeyjunkie99
10-29-2007, 07:51 PM
LMAO.....Did they take a hoof print????:D
mwheeler27
10-29-2007, 07:54 PM
Matt,
As to Secretariet, Game Used or Auto?
LOL. I meant base card, but I do believe it has a game used version with its "racing silks".
The reason I think people will want it is because it's different. But who knows, perhaps not enough people will know it exists.
VinnyH
10-29-2007, 08:00 PM
I think Secretariat will be sought after more than most.
I agree, being a horse racing guy from the 70s. The racing crowd should go for those silks. It is a nice painting on the 1933 parallel.
Best to All,
Vinny
PA: I saw Seattle Slew race in 1977.
CaptainBOHICA
10-29-2007, 09:39 PM
good luck you guys. i think while everyone is diving into this im going to take another bath in the cup lol... but one pack of sports kings is oh so tempting
sandlotsportcards
10-29-2007, 10:12 PM
If anyone is interested in moving there base cards, I may be interested in purchasing them. Just depends on price, let me know
hockeyjunkie99
10-29-2007, 10:14 PM
What would the base cards go for? Thats a hard guess, especially if they may be numbered!!! Anyone want to Purchase my slots????:D
I've got slot 22 & slot 39
mwheeler27
10-29-2007, 10:16 PM
I sure hope the base cards are NOT numbered. I hope they continue with the idea of doing something different and actually staying with the original version of Sportkings as close as they can.
hockeyjunkie99
10-29-2007, 10:20 PM
Someone had mentioned that because there are only 4600 or so base cards put out that they may be numbered. It wasn't me though!!!
CaptainBOHICA
10-29-2007, 10:51 PM
its a couple days before it hits the streets. im surprised there isn't anything live on ebay yet
wunderkindcards
10-30-2007, 10:42 AM
I would like one of the boxes also, Matt.
mwheeler27
10-30-2007, 10:49 AM
22 people have participated in the group break, and there are only 18 boxes. Not sure if it would be fair to leave some people out.
hockeyjunkie99
10-30-2007, 10:55 AM
22 people have participated in the group break, and there are only 18 boxes. Not sure if it would be fair to leave some people out.
Also, some people have bought more slots than others.
Vintage Collector
10-30-2007, 11:10 AM
Matt,
If you are taking box requests, I would like a box also and would pay extra shipping, if required. (5 slots)
Thanks
I too would love one box and would pay extra shipping if necessary. Thanks. - Tim (4 slots)
KenTyler
10-30-2007, 11:27 AM
Matt,
If you want to draw names out of a hat or whatever if more than 18 people are interested in a box that seems fair to me. I realize it would be a lot of extra work for you to mess with - I for one would be willing to pay you for the trouble (in addition to the extra postage). I guess let's see what the interest level is? :)
VinnyH
10-30-2007, 11:34 AM
I don't need a box, I'm getting one separately.
Best to All,
Vinny
hockeyjunkie99
10-30-2007, 11:55 AM
If people are wanting to get individual boxes I do not have a problem selling my slots to help with evening out the situation. But if that happens does that mean the slot assignments will change? If it does than I am not for it because I think I've got 2 good slots.
hj-
I think the people want the empty boxes, so it won't change the slot assignments.
hockeyjunkie99
10-30-2007, 12:17 PM
Oh, My bad. I was thinking that others wanted to complete their slots to 11 to get box for themselves. I do not need a box.....sorry for the misunderstanding. I only have one eye today, for I tore a contact lense and am working with one good eye!:D
mwheeler27
10-30-2007, 12:36 PM
In respect to the boxes...I'm not sure how much they will increase shipping. I understand most of you will pay for the increase. Just so you know, I will be taking a small loss in this break anyway, so if you want a box, you would have to pay for the increase. I wish I could just send them for free. Perhaps after getting the box, you could just send me a couple of dollars back through the mail. I don't want to give Paypal any more fees. :)!
hockeyjunkie99
10-30-2007, 12:38 PM
I say we BAN!!!! Paypal!!!:flex:
VinnyH
10-30-2007, 01:14 PM
Nevermind, saw your latest post...
Best to All,
Vinny
hockeyjunkie99
10-30-2007, 01:14 PM
I got it Vinny. Thanks.
otmack2o
10-30-2007, 10:54 PM
2.5 days!! haha
wunderkindcards
10-31-2007, 10:33 AM
I was looking at the checklist and all the 1/1 cut auto's. Which one would be worth the most and how much do you think it would be? I am just wondering what card everyone is hoping they get. There must be one worth a few ground at least.
otmack2o
10-31-2007, 10:36 AM
I was looking at the checklist and all the 1/1 cut auto's. Which one would be worth the most and how much do you think it would be? I am just wondering what card everyone is hoping they get. There must be one worth a few ground at least.
The real question is, how much is a ground worth? :)
hockeyjunkie99
10-31-2007, 10:38 AM
ground= zero$ ......to me anyways!!!:D
Based on the break on BMB, it looks like I have one jersey, two autos, and three base cards for my four slots. The best slots will be #3 in each box. The #1 will be the "worst."
Based on the break on BMB, it looks like I have one jersey, two autos, and three base cards for my four slots. The best slots will be #3 in each box. The #1 will be the "worst."
I hope that's the case as I have 2 #3's and a #2 in addition to my 3 minis for my 4 slots. Although I wonder if he purposely just listed them from worst to best in his breaks and not in the order they were in the packs.
hockeyjunkie99
10-31-2007, 02:07 PM
We'll find out soon.....hahaha:D
Taken from anythingu's post in the other thread:
#1 (slots 1, 4 and 7 in our break) - Single Memorabilia Card
#2 (slots 2, 5 and 8 in our break) - Auto or Gold Version of Memorabilia
#3 (slots 3, 6 and 9 in our break)- Mix Card. Either a Memorabilia, Auto or Auto Memorabilia
#4 - Mini Parallel
#5 - Base
#6 - Base
#7 - Base
That works for me and my slots :)
wunderkindcards
10-31-2007, 02:28 PM
I hope that's not the case
I got 3 1-slots and a single 2-slot
not good.
hockeyjunkie99
10-31-2007, 02:31 PM
Is there anybody smart enought to generate what slot assignments get what type of card to this alleged way of pulling this product?
obzezzed
10-31-2007, 02:53 PM
Is there anybody smart enought to generate what slot assignments get what type of card to this alleged way of pulling this product?
Nope not me. I'm barely smart enough to remember my 2 slot numbers. :o
hockeyjunkie99
10-31-2007, 02:56 PM
Somone do 22 & 39 for me please.......I don't feel like counting right now!!:flex:
otmack2o
10-31-2007, 02:56 PM
Are you serious?
VinnyH
10-31-2007, 02:57 PM
Maybe it's a good thing that I'm confused now. :confused: I'll just wait and see how it falls.
Best to All,
Vinny
hockeyjunkie99
10-31-2007, 02:57 PM
I don't have time to do it here at the office!
otmack2o
10-31-2007, 02:58 PM
All you have to do is be able to count: 1...2...3...1...2...3...1...2...3
http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13278&postcount=138
hockeyjunkie99
10-31-2007, 03:01 PM
HUH??123....123....123???what about 456....456.....456?
otmack2o
10-31-2007, 03:01 PM
There are 3 hits per box...
hockeyjunkie99
10-31-2007, 03:05 PM
I think I gotcha now Tony.......3 boxes per case/3 hits per box 9 slots per case 3 x 3=9 hits per 3 box case.....Right? I think I can manage now!!...lol:p
hockeyjunkie99
10-31-2007, 03:06 PM
I do know that I have all the base in the 2nd case though....:D
obzezzed
10-31-2007, 03:12 PM
1 2 3, four five six, 7 8 9 ...... ONE TWO THREE. HIT HIT HIT. auto base auto. Let's let's go.
I WANT TO WATCH THIS CASE OPENING SOOOO BAD!
How much longer again? :p
mwheeler27
10-31-2007, 03:20 PM
It's being overnighted to me, so hopefully Friday. Although I noticed Chris says it's live on Friday. If he ships it Friday, I won't get it until Saturday, or maybe Monday depending on if they'll deliver on Saturday. :confused:
I SURE HOPE IT COMES FRIDAY.
obzezzed
10-31-2007, 03:24 PM
It's being overnighted to me, so hopefully Friday. Although I noticed Chris says it's live on Friday. If he ships it Friday, I won't get it until Saturday, or maybe Monday depending on if they'll deliver on Saturday. :confused:
I SURE HOPE IT COMES FRIDAY.
If it comes Friday, what time will you crack it? When you get home from work?
And are you cracking it live on the message boards, or filming it and showing the video first???
Thanks!
mwheeler27
10-31-2007, 03:36 PM
I will bust it as soon as I get home. I won't be home Friday until later in the evening though. What I will do is post a new thread letting you guys know I just arrived home and will be starting right away on the first 3-box case. I will then post the results, and then start right in with the 2nd 3-box case. I will post the 6 different videos later that night.
Does this sound alright? I'm always open to suggestions.
hockeyjunkie99
10-31-2007, 04:10 PM
Just make sure for every pull you list the slot for the dumb people like me!!! LOL
mwheeler27
10-31-2007, 04:26 PM
Nick,
I'm not exactly sure how this will be done yet, but I can assure you I won't cater to the few that might not pay attention to what slots they have. Perhaps you should do a bit more reading and a little less posting. :)!
LOL!
hockeyjunkie99
10-31-2007, 04:31 PM
I'm lazy like that today Matt!!!
mwheeler27
10-31-2007, 04:33 PM
I'm laughing as I type this...I don't think it's just today. :)
otmack2o
10-31-2007, 04:48 PM
lol...
mdb92951
10-31-2007, 06:15 PM
We got a hit #1 and a #3
VinnyH
10-31-2007, 06:19 PM
I will bust it as soon as I get home. I won't be home Friday until later in the evening though. What I will do is post a new thread letting you guys know I just arrived home and will be starting right away on the first 3-box case. I will then post the results, and then start right in with the 2nd 3-box case. I will post the 6 different videos later that night.
Does this sound alright? I'm always open to suggestions.
Matt,
It's a lot to download the video so doing it after the break sounds like enough work and we'll know where we stand by hearing your box by box reports here.
Thanks again,
Vinny
hockeyjunkie99
10-31-2007, 06:27 PM
Thanks Matt.....I'm happy I make you laugh:D
VinnyH
10-31-2007, 07:01 PM
Sports Kings NUMBERS (http://www.sportkingsgum.com/products/0607_seriesa/seriesa_gumeminum.php)
Nice low numbers for even some of the more common autographs.
Best to All,
Vinny
Sports Kings NUMBERS (http://www.sportkingsgum.com/products/0607_seriesa/seriesa_gumeminum.php)
Nice low numbers for even some of the more common autographs.
Best to All,
Vinny
Very nice. Friday can't come soon enough :)
mwheeler27
11-02-2007, 07:04 AM
Just in case anyone missed it, I posted the break in another thread titled: "Sport Kings Master Case Arrived Today!!!"
iluvfish2
11-02-2007, 07:16 AM
Matt thanks for doing this....break looked ok. One of these days we'll get the big hit!
mwheeler27
11-02-2007, 09:28 PM
The Pet Rose Single Memorabilia just sold for over $200! That's more than I thought it would get. It's just like the one we had in our case. Here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180175857060&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008
KenTyler
11-02-2007, 09:43 PM
I will be listing the Pete single as soon as I get it!! Hope I can get that for it!!!
hockeyjunkie99
11-02-2007, 09:48 PM
it will pay for two slots ken....lol
KenTyler
11-02-2007, 10:03 PM
Only 3 slots to payoff to break even:)!
mwheeler27
11-02-2007, 10:28 PM
Case 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFbkcMNMUjY
Case 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfAZeCGZSt8
Case 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhE8t7D20-E
Case 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ODAaNRBQwo
Case 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFcoCUnGG_s
Case 6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht-nV9T-xYQ
mwheeler27
11-03-2007, 12:50 AM
Everyone's cards from our Sportkings Master group case break was shipped out via priority mail on Friday except for 4 people's. These 4 people did not have an address on their Paypal payment to me:
hockeyjunkie
obzezzed
brianennis
Guru
Please give me your addresses so I can ship out your cards ASAP. You can PM me if you'd rather not everyone on this board see your address.
Thanks a lot and take care,
Matt
The Pet Rose Single Memorabilia just sold for over $200! That's more than I thought it would get. It's just like the one we had in our case. Here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180175857060&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=008
Nice. My dual (one jersey, one 2-color patch) ends Sunday. Hopefully the demand stays high. Lots of watchers on this one.
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