razor poker shortprints?

[Tim]

Does anyone have a list or a link to a list of the SPs? If not, does anyone know when this will be made known to us?

[mwheeler27]

I don't know of the list yet, but Greg Reymer, #38, is the only one I haven't been able to aquire. If anyone would like to part with theirs, I would buy it or trade for it.

[Tim]

I am opening a case later today. All will go on fleabay, but if I hit a prez cut, a quad, or a raymer, i will report back.

[mwheeler27]

I am opening a case later today. All will go on fleabay, but if I hit a prez cut, a quad, or a raymer, i will report back.

Good luck with your break. I hope you hit a prez cut. If you hit the Raymer, I will buy it and save you Ebay fees. If you put it on Ebay, I will probably buy it too. ;)

I have been trying to keep up with the Presidential Cuts that have already been pulled. So far the Truman went for $1025, LBJ went for $828, and JQ Adams went for $1605 on Ebay. There are 11 different cuts, and I have only heard of these 3 so far and 2 Nixon's.

Has anyone heard, or have confirmation, of any others being hit? The Lincoln or Ruby would be very cool to own. Maybe you will hit one of these Tim!

[coaltowncards]

Someone emailed me a list this morning, I am not sure who they are, but they noticed my Shannon Elizabeth auto for auction.

The list states that the rare single autos of Fishman, Matusow, Negreanu, Seidel, Vahedi are SP /200 or less. Most of the dual autos are /50 or less.

The SSP are Elizabeth, Esfandiari, H ellmuth, Laak & Raymer are /75 or less.

Gracz/Liebert & Elizabeth/Tilley are /25 or less.

The quad autos are /50 or less.

[iam4car3]

I need the Reymer card also SS-38 I let several get by me on ebay.


I find it strange that fishman is a short print because I found 5 in 1 case and there were 2 Seidels in the same case. Now that's some great hand seeding. Look out upper deck there's a new king in town.

[CaptainBOHICA]

I find it strange that fishman is a short print because I found 5 in 1 case and there were 2 Seidels in the same case. Now that's some great hand seeding. Look out upper deck there's a new king in town.

Josh at razor = douchebag :mad::mad::mad:

btw - bidding for that elizabeth is crazy! which sps are you guys missing for the master set, ?

[Tim]

I opened my case and can't believe how awful the collation was. Four and five of the same lousy players. I did hit a quad though.

[mwheeler27]

I opened my case and can't believe how awful the collation was. Four and five of the same lousy players. I did hit a quad though.

I have all of the quads now, but I'm curious as to the one you hit. I see a lot of the Buss/Cloutier/Seidel/Forrest. It seems that the others are a little more short printed.

[Tim]

It was a good one -- hellmuth/matusow/hachem/forest

[hexthem4n]

It was a good one -- hellmuth/matusow/hachem/forest

Mind posting a scan? I would love to see it.

[Dobber2330]

It was a good one -- hellmuth/matusow/hachem/forest


That is the one that we hit during the group 2 case break

[CaptainBOHICA]

how high do you think these ultra sp's will go for? the elizabeth right now is at 122 with about 1 day left

[iam4car3]

I'm not sure how high it will go but I am bidding on it. :)

[CaptainBOHICA]

bout to throw a sp i have up there for like .. 3-400 bucks just to see if someone is crazy enough to buy it lol

[iam4car3]

bout to throw a sp i have up there for like .. 3-400 bucks just to see if someone is crazy enough to buy it lol



Got an extra SS-38 that you'd like to sell? I've still got a SS-3 green auto. Maybe a trade? :)

[CaptainBOHICA]

lol.. no extra ss-38... believe me if i had an extra sp, it would be up there right now. im still curious to see the other sp's and a confirmation of the ultra sps.

can't wait to see how high the elizabeth goes. im guessing it could possibly hit 200... but i might just be optimistic

[mwheeler27]

lol.. no extra ss-38... believe me if i had an extra sp, it would be up there right now. im still curious to see the other sp's and a confirmation of the ultra sps.

can't wait to see how high the elizabeth goes. im guessing it could possibly hit 200... but i might just be optimistic

So...if you have a Raymer and an Elizabeth, you had a decent case break. Any other sps and I'd say your case was loaded! Mine sucked. LOL I should complain more. :D

[CaptainBOHICA]

i wish i had hit the elizabeth or esfandiari in my case, but my case sucked ass just like yours, believe me. lol i hope the price of the case plummets. i would totally do another case if it drops a few hundred bucks LOL

we'll see how high coaltown's sps go.. so far i've only seen one rayer, one elizabeth and two laaks and one esfandiari...no way can they be sp'd to only 75.. has to be less... lol

[mwheeler27]

I still have one case I haven't opened, and it's not even tempting me to open it. With only 300 cases supposedly produced, I'm trying to keep up with the Presidential Cuts. That may be the only way to make money on the case.

I have seen at least 2 Raymers on Ebay, and I think 3. I know I missed out on each of them, and he's the only one I need for a complete set of all but the cuts. I think the female quad is short printed more than the others as well, but perhaps no one wants to sell it.

[CaptainBOHICA]

how much were you able to get all the other ultra sps for if you dont mind me askin

[coaltowncards]

i wish i had hit the elizabeth or esfandiari in my case, but my case sucked ass just like yours, believe me. lol i hope the price of the case plummets. i would totally do another case if it drops a few hundred bucks LOL

we'll see how high coaltown's sps go.. so far i've only seen one rayer, one elizabeth and two laaks and one esfandiari...no way can they be sp'd to only 75.. has to be less... lol

I would love to see the elizabeth hit 200+. The esfandiari doesn't seem to be getting the attention it deserves. My info states the single elizabeth is /75 or less, seems way less at this point. The elizabeth (auto GU) is to be /25 or less and also the elizabeth/tilly is to be /25 or less.

Where is the "official" list found? Anyone Know????

[Tim]

I just don't think there are enough buyers of poker player cards to get the sp's up that high (unless it's a hot babe). I think 300 total cases is meaningless if only a couple handfuls of people are buying poker singles.

[Dobber2330]

Out of the 2 cases for the group break I don't think that we got a single SSP card - I know that we got several short prints but none that were SSP

How often do they appear to be falling?

[swjedi2000]

I bought a Raymer early for $34.99 (BIN)...last one sold around $89 I think.

[mwheeler27]

how much were you able to get all the other ultra sps for if you dont mind me askin

I don't mind at all. I actually never keep track. Once the card arrives, I leave feedback and delete it from Ebay. However, I'm still waiting on some cards to arrive, so I'll list what I can still find:

Elizabeth (Auto/GU) - I actually had this in my case. Hope it's /25
Gracz/Liebert dual auto - $74.95
Elizabeth/Tilly dual auto - $77.00
Elizabeth/Margolis/Tilly/NG Quad - $102 (I think this is spd less than others)
Raymer/Hachem/Moneymaker/Gold Quad - $93
Hachem/Forrest/Hellmuth/Matusow Quad - $73

I don't remember the others, but nothing outrageous at all. In fact, I haven't paid close to $100 for anything else I know for sure. Hope this helps in some way.

[CaptainBOHICA]

Elizabeth just hit $200!!!!!!!!

[mwheeler27]

I bet it goes over $300. What box do I win? :D

[CaptainBOHICA]

f it .. a few of us should just go in on a case... hope to hit a SSP or Cut, sell everything.. and either share in the losses or profits LOL

[coaltowncards]

Count me in!!! I'd love to hit a cut!! I am surprised that some of the regular cards are doing as well as they are....

[CaptainBOHICA]

how much are your regular autos averaging? i dont know if you saw what they were ending at just shortly after release, but if you did... do you think they are selling stronger than then?

[mwheeler27]

WooHoo!!!

[CaptainBOHICA]

gad damn. wheeler and 4car3 = nuts lol

elizabeth ended at 280 and the esfandiari ended at 130$

right now im trying to acquire an ssp offline.. :)!

[coaltowncards]

how much are your regular autos averaging? i dont know if you saw what they were ending at just shortly after release, but if you did... do you think they are selling stronger than then?

When I get the #'s together I'll let you know. Gotta send some invoices:D

[coaltowncards]

This is way too much fun!!!:)!

[CaptainBOHICA]

coal how many cases did you buy? 1? nice case if thats the case... 2 ssp's. damn you!

[mwheeler27]

Payment sent. Thanks CTC!

[coaltowncards]

coal how many cases did you buy? 1? nice case if thats the case... 2 ssp's. damn you!

Yeah! only one case and I held on to a fishman, seidel single </200? cloutier/seidel dual <50? and a cloutier (auto/GU) </50? The only thing missing was the cut.... One lucky S.O.B huh


I am without a doubt gonna try another case...;)

[CaptainBOHICA]

:)! (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190162497876&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=009)...couldn't resist LOL (click on the face)

[coaltowncards]

Hey I think I sold one of those to 4car3 for $20.00:confused:

[CaptainBOHICA]

wow. already got a really really decent offer for it LOL. wtf you people are crazy lol

[iam4car3]

MWHEELER27 very well played. I wish I had stayed home the card would have gone over $300.00. O'well maybe next time. :)

[iam4car3]

Hey I think I sold one of those to 4car3 for $20.00:confused:



Yes you did and thank you again. I got 5 Fishman, 2 Seidel, 1 Laak, 1 Buss ,Cloutier, Seidel, Forrest quad, 2 Todd Brunson green autos, 7 duals in the first case that I opened. :)


I will be sending payment later using PayPal. :)

[mwheeler27]

MWHEELER27 very well played. I wish I had stayed home the card would have gone over $300.00. O'well maybe next time. :)

I hated bidding against you. I promise to stay off the next card that comes available if you're bidding on it.

I also hate that I missed a couple of Raymer's early on. That's still the only one I'm missing. I hear there's one on Ebay now with a low BIN of $350. :)!

[iam4car3]

Please feel free to bid against me anytime. It's an auction so bid anytime. :)

[mwheeler27]

Are you still needing the Elizabeth? If so, I definitely won't bid against you the next time one is available.

If you decide to sell that $20 Raymer you purchased, I'll make you a nice little profit. ;)

[iam4car3]

Yes I still need the young lady. If I can't complete the single auto set soon I will be selling all of the singles. I will be putting all of my extras up for auction as soon as I can get the production run of each card. :)


Payment has been made hope to do more business in the near future.

[mwheeler27]

I found this auction from a guy claiming to be selling a Master set of 2007 Razor Poker. He has it listed at $3000 and is missing 28 cards! I have 84 of the 85 cards, (only missing the Raymer). I'd love to get $3000 out of my master set.

The reason I'm posting this is because he lists some of the short prints with their stated production runs. Keep in mind that he's missing 28 cards, so several sps aren't listed. Here's the link if you're interested in seeing the print runs of the short prints:

http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-Razor-Poker-Autograph-Master-Set-Lot-With-22-SPs_W0QQitemZ290169987210QQihZ019QQcategoryZ219QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

[swjedi2000]

I found this auction from a guy claiming to be selling a Master set of 2007 Razor Poker. He has it listed at $3000 and is missing 28 cards! I have 84 of the 85 cards, (only missing the Raymer). I'd love to get $3000 out of my master set.

The reason I'm posting this is because he lists some of the short prints with their stated production runs. Keep in mind that he's missing 28 cards, so several sps aren't listed. Here's the link if you're interested in seeing the print runs of the short prints:

http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-Razor-Poker-Autograph-Master-Set-Lot-With-22-SPs_W0QQitemZ290169987210QQihZ019QQcategoryZ219QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

I have a Raymer if interested? LMK...if not I will just list it.

I also have a Todd Brunson with "Red Ink." I havent seen another one yet.

BB

[mwheeler27]

I'm interested in both. I'll PM you. Thanks!

[coaltowncards]

The ssp's are ready to go. They will be on the way Monday.

[mwheeler27]

Thanks Coaltowncards. You know, with around 300 cases being produced, even those cards numbered out of 75 fall one in four cases. You wouldn't think they'd bring over $200 per card. I bet we see a lot more of these short print cards real soon on Ebay.

Also, seeing that the Elizabeth materials card is sp /25 means my case really wasn't too bad. That card only falls once every 12 cases! This card should easily be a $300 card imo. I'm starting to wonder if the "hand seeding" was actually a lot better than we all thought. I'd rather have this Elizabeth card #/25 than a quad #/50.

I might have to pick up another case if the price remains low.

[coaltowncards]

I am going to order another today. I am not expecting the same luck as the first but I can't resist. When the "official" print run is released I think case prices will go up.

The first Elizabeth GU auto went for 117 the next 170. I think I am going to try to get all the GU/auto's Looks like there are only five so It should not be that difficult.

I have cloutier GU/auto so the search begins do you or anyone else have any GU dups.

[coaltowncards]

NO WAY!!!! the list is being sold for $5.00 from the same seller as the near complete set.

[mwheeler27]

LOL...the only dup I have is Cloutier. :(

I have one of all the rest because I purchased them right away individually. Except for the Elizabeth of course. I wish I could help you.

I still have one unopened case at home. I'm really tempted to open it, but I predict I'll have a sick feeling after doing so. I better tuck it away in that deep closet of mine and wait to see how many presidential cuts get pulled. I have yet to hear of seven of them being pulled. I have only seen or heard of 2 Trumans, 1 LBJ, 2 Nixons, and 1 JQ Adams!

[mwheeler27]

I am going to order another today. I am not expecting the same luck as the first but I can't resist. When the "official" print run is released I think case prices will go up.

The first Elizabeth GU auto went for 117 the next 170. I think I am going to try to get all the GU/auto's Looks like there are only five so It should not be that difficult.

I have cloutier GU/auto so the search begins do you or anyone else have any GU dups.

There are 9 GU autos. Would you like me to list them all to better help with your search?

[coaltowncards]

Yes please. I am aware of 6. Do you have a link to a comlete checklist?

[coaltowncards]

how much are your regular autos averaging? i dont know if you saw what they were ending at just shortly after release, but if you did... do you think they are selling stronger than then?

$ 10.50 singles av sold 49 What was the early av?

[mwheeler27]

Yes please. I am aware of 6. Do you have a link to a comlete checklist?

I don't have a checklist, but heard there were 85 total cards in the set. Since I have these GU autos, I'm assuming these are it.

#77 - Arieh
#78 - Cloutier
#79 - Elizabeth
#80 - Esfandiari
#81 - Forrest
#82 - Corkins
#83 - Hellmuth
#84 - Seidel
#85 - Vahedi

Hope this helps. Good luck finding these. Shouldn't be too much trouble.

[CaptainBOHICA]

$ 10.50 singles av sold 49 What was the early av?

avg early sales for singles went quickly from $35 (for a couple big names) - $14 (avg names)... and they quickly fell to the 7-14$ range...

[CaptainBOHICA]

I hear there's one on Ebay now with a low BIN of $350. :)!

I got an offer of $200 for it... should I take it? lol if i do, i will only have lost about $100 on the case instead of the 3-400 I initially stated in another post haha

[coaltowncards]

I got $130 for the seidel. If they have the same print run $200 looks good. but $350 looks alot better. I think the babes just do better because they are babes. I would Hold out for a while maybe there are only 10 or 20 of these.

[CaptainBOHICA]

130 for the sidel?!?! wtf. good lord. another case really does look tempting.

i bet 5 bucks wheeler will crack his case open LOL

[mwheeler27]

I haven't mustered the strength yet to hide it deep in that closet where so many other cases are collecting dust. I'd hate to have to dig it out later this week. I'm trying to find the strength.

[coaltowncards]

I messed up...it wasn't seidel, it was esfandiari. My bad...

[CaptainBOHICA]

im wondering how much the raymer would bring in if i let it go for an auction for 7 days? i dont want to end up disappointed if the bidding war doesn't get up to where i want it to go.. but from some of the offers i've been made, it jsut might.

[coaltowncards]

im wondering how much the raymer would bring in if i let it go for an auction for 7 days? i dont want to end up disappointed if the bidding war doesn't get up to where i want it to go.. but from some of the offers i've been made, it jsut might.





BE A PLAYER!!!!

[CaptainBOHICA]

lol sorry. had to accept the offer.. can't take the chance of getting undercutted once everyone started listing theirs.

[iam4car3]

lol sorry. had to accept the offer.. can't take the chance of getting undercutted once everyone started listing theirs.


Capt. B. very good I see that you sold for $300.00 now you can afford to pay for the production list instead of waiting for it to come out this week. :)!

[CaptainBOHICA]

do you think the prices in cases will jump once the list is out?

[iam4car3]

do you think the prices in cases will jump once the list is out?



Yes I do. :D I shouldn't say anything because if I keep my thoughts quite most of the time it turns out positive but when I say something out loud most of the time it goes the other way. :o

[swjedi2000]

Here is the List:

RARE (SINGLES UNDER 200 MADE, DOUBLES OR GAME USED/AUTO 50 OR LESS):
Fishman, Scott
Matusow, Mike
Negreanu, Daniel
Seidel, Erik
Vahedi, Amir
NEGREANU/HELLMUTH
M.NGUYEN/S. NGUYEN
BRUNSON/SHEIKHAN
BUSS/GORDON
HARMAN/MIZRACHI
HELLMUTH/MATUSOW
HACHEM/MATUSOW
RAYMER/HACHEM
RAYMER/MONEYMAKER
CLOUTIER/SEIDEL
CORKINS/JAMES
LAAK/TILLY
LAAK/ESFANDIARI
FORREST/MIZRACHI
HARMAN/LIEBERT
ARIEH (AUTO/GU)
CLOUTIER (AUTO/GU)
ESFANDIARI (AUTO/GU)
CORKINS (AUTO/GU)
HELLMUTH (AUTO/GU)
SEIDEL (AUTO/GU)

SUPER RARE (SINGLES 75 OR LESS, DOUBLES 25 OR LESS, QUADS 50 OR LESS,
GU/AUTO 25 OR LESS):
Elizabeth, Shannon
Esfandiari, Antonio
Hellmuth, Phil
Laak, Phil
Raymer, Greg
GRACZ/LIEBERT
ELIZABETH/TILLY
RAYMER/HACHEM/MONEYMAKER/GOLD
HACHEM/FORREST/HELLMUTH/MATUSOW
BUSS/CLOUTIER/SEIDEL/FORREST
ELIZABETH/MARGOLIS/TILLY/NG
ELIZABETH (AUTO/GU)

[iam4car3]

Thanks for the list. This accounts for 38 cards what is the production count on the rest of the cards? Does anyone know?

[mwheeler27]

Here's a link to the Razor web site:

http://www.razorcollectibles.com/

Here's a link to this same sp checklist:

http://www.razorcollectibles.com/short_print_07_sig_series.htm

They are sold out at the factory now. Can't wait for their next release! Anyone up for another group break with this product? :)

[CaptainBOHICA]

so who's gone back and bought another case?

[mwheeler27]

There are so many cards that aren't worth much in these cases.

I wish I knew for sure if there was actual "hand" seeding. If so, I would probably buy a couple more. You still need to hit a couple good cards to break even. Unless of course you hit a cut.

[Dobber2330]

If there was enough interest I would volunteer to do the break again -

Do you think that now that we know what the SP's are that we could sell 50 slots??

Let me know as I am up for it.

[CaptainBOHICA]

i couldn't go in halves with swerve on his GG break, but i could contribute 200 to a case of razor poker...

case of razor = approx 800/4 people = $200 each. rip it and hope for sps, quads and a presidential cut... and split the profits 4 ways after ebay/paypal/shipping fees.

:)!

edit: imagine.. 4 people.. we hit the lincoln auto.. now your 200 investment is now a few g's profit!!!!!!!!! LOL

i think the last lincoln cut to hit ebay sold for 20K or so?

[mwheeler27]

Let's do 2 cases with 8 equal shares of $200 each, (or a little less depending on discount). We would get a multiple case discount, and I would be in for at least 2 shares for $400 if no one else wanted the other one. This would double our chances. What do you think? I still only know of 6 cuts that have been pulled, and 2 of them were the same President.

I really, really think we should do this!

[CaptainBOHICA]

if we do this i can do 200...might as well use this break as the 'experiment' break for the profit sharing idea

and if we do this we better move quick before the price jumps now that the list is officially out.

i think there will still be a market for these now that everyone knows whats spd n what not. the only thing that would hurt us are the junk single autos and the collation.. (that sounds like my break!)...

edit:

also set aside 25 or so bucks out of the entire kitty to cover the cost of shipping materials...

maybe start the "lower tier" single auto's at 4.99

higher tier at 9.99

duals at 14.99-24.99 depending on the print run

quads... at 49.99

or we could roll the dice, start everything at 99 cents (save on listing fees) and cross our fingers? lol

[mwheeler27]

I'm in. I wonder if anyone else would be interested at $200? Heck, the more the merrier. Maybe we could get 3 cases.

[CaptainBOHICA]

i agree, the more the merrier, but at what point would it be too much?

hell if we do three cases and can get them for 2400 total... and still keep it at 8 people.. thats only 300 per person... now you got 3 cases to hit a nice cut... and if you figure the initial investment is 300 per person.. even if we lose, its still a minimal loss.. not like... ohh lets say.. 4-500 bucks on your own case! :(

[iam4car3]

It looks like that there are just a few cards that command a high price other than the cuts. Do you think that the high prices will continue or drop like a rock like most other products. Look at all of the rare short prints and super rare short prints that were sold really cheap when the product first hit ebay now with the prices going higher there will be a lot of those to compete with. :confused:

[CaptainBOHICA]

gotta factor in the people that are holding onto their cases in hopes that the prices will skyrocket once it starts to dry up.

as far as whether or not the prices will continue or will drop.. i dont know. i leave that answer to the local experts here.... there hasnt been too many cuts pulled so that goes well in our favor also.. not too many quads either, considering they are all /50

[mwheeler27]

I hope there's at least some to compete with because I still need that Raymer!!! :eek:

[iam4car3]

I got $57.00 for my super rare short print quad. Buss, Cloutier. Seidel, and Forrest. Like to have it back. :eek:

[CaptainBOHICA]

frank you think you would be in for modified profit sharing break? :)

[iam4car3]

If this break looks healthy I would be in for 2 or more shares I would like to keep it to as few people as possible unless there will be more cases. :)

[mwheeler27]

I got $57.00 for my super rare short print quad. Buss, Cloutier. Seidel, and Forrest. Like to have it back. :eek:

I've been following this set from the beginning now, and I would guess that this is the quad that has the highest print run.

Razor announced that all 4 quads have a print run of 50 or less. I think this one and the one with Hellmuth have the most printed. The other "male" one would be next, and I think the quad auto of the ladies have the fewest. I would predict 30 or less. Just my gut feeling.

Think of it another way...If there were 50 of each quad, and only 300 cases produced, that would be 2 quads in every 3 cases. That's not the way it is by a long shot from what I've seen. I could be wrong, but I really think some quads are super, super short printed. I just hope the same isn't true of that Raymer that I have passed up on now 4 times!!!

[CaptainBOHICA]

ok well there is a tenative 3 people...need to hit up some people that broke cases... lol.

edit: if raymer turns out to be sp'd less than 75.. instead of just/75 i'll be pissed LOL probably could have squeezed another couple hundred out of it.

[iam4car3]

mwheeler27 I believe without a doubt that you are correct. :)

[mwheeler27]

If this break looks healthy I would be in for 2 or more shares I would like to keep it to as few people as possible unless there will be more cases. :)

I'm in for 2 or more shares.

[mwheeler27]

ok well there is a tenative 3 people...need to hit up some people that broke cases... lol.

edit: if raymer turns out to be sp'd less than 75.. instead of just/75 i'll be pissed LOL probably could have squeezed another couple hundred out of it.

Will we ever know how many there actually are? That would be a nice list to get ahold of.

[CaptainBOHICA]

might as well start an interest thread so the discussion doesn't get lost in this one, wheeler. looks like you got 5 total interested shares between us three to start.

we have to keep in mind too that the number of people isn't as important.. jsut as long as all the shares are covered. hell.. if one more person came in for the remaining 3 shares, we could jsut say F it and get 3 cases/2400/300 per, right? (if my math is correct)

[iam4car3]

mwheeler27 I believe without a doubt that you are correct. :)

How many cases are we talking and how many people. Does the person doing the break and listing get a little more of the profit. I have no problem with that. :cool:

[CaptainBOHICA]

we discussed in another thread (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1785) adjusting the percentages for this... how we woudl do this with "shares".. beats me..

but here is my suggestion:

depending on how many cases we get.. take 20-30 bucks from the final amt (after all is said and done) to cover for the shipping supples...

then maybe a small percentage of the remaining goes to the ripping for the time/effort

then the rest (profit/losses) we divy it up based on shares.

[iam4car3]

might as well start an interest thread so the discussion doesn't get lost in this one, wheeler. looks like you got 5 total interested shares between us three to start.

we have to keep in mind too that the number of people isn't as important.. jsut as long as all the shares are covered. hell.. if one more person came in for the remaining 3 shares, we could jsut say F it and get 3 cases/2400/300 per, right? (if my math is correct)



I would hope that 3 cases would be a little cheaper.

[mwheeler27]

How many cases are we talking and how many people. Does the person doing the break and listing get a little more of the profit. I have no problem with that. :cool:

I say we go with Captain's suggestion and break it up into 8 shares of $300 each. That would be enough to get us 3 cases, and a much better chance of either making a good to great return, or definitely help to minimize our loss.

I would suggest that the one doing the listing gets a little extra, but not a whole lot. Definitely needs to be worth his time, but I think the fun in doing this could be worth something. I don't care either way.

[mwheeler27]

I would hope that 3 cases would be a little cheaper.

Perhaps the difference we have between the $2400 and the actual price of the 3 cases, (given a discount), could go to the one that breaks, lists and ships. That is likely to be $75 to $150 to that guy. Thoughts???

[iam4car3]

Who wants to rip and list my computer skills are still behind the stone ages.

[CaptainBOHICA]

also some of the rules we would need to keep in mind

one rule that was suggested was.. we sell EVERYTHING. if one person in the group wanted a particular card from the break - they would have to bid on it against everyone else if no FMV was established... OR the group can possibly agree to a fair mkt value for the card and avoid all the fees (in this case, establishing a FMV is easier since the product has been out already)

and personally, i would like to see the break handled by someone who is reputable or at least 'regular' on the board since we are all and have been bounded by our own honor when dealing with each other.

[iam4car3]

I would say sell everything but I will abide by what the group decides.

[mwheeler27]

Who wants to rip and list my computer skills are still behind the stone ages.

I'm a buyer and not much of a seller. I'm all for doing the hard work, but I think we'd have a better chance of making money leaving the listing up to a veteran seller instead of me.


edit: What could be fun is 3 different people do a case and see who does best. Just a friendly competition. I know it's not a good idea, but wanted to mention it. ;)

[CaptainBOHICA]

Perhaps the difference we have between the $2400 and the actual price of the 3 cases, (given a discount), could go to the one that breaks, lists and ships. That is likely to be $75 to $150 to that guy. Thoughts???

im thinking anywhere between %1.5-%2.5 or so would be a nice compensation for the breaker... but however it shakes out im down...

also i still think 25 bucks should be taken for shipping supplies since that would technically be part of the costs/fees , etc

[iam4car3]

Let's see if we get a few nibbles in a few more hours.

[CaptainBOHICA]

i would offer up to do the breaking/listing but i my limit on transferring money on my cousins paypal is almost up until she adds a bank acct LOL.

plus if we wanted to video tape it for the hell of it, i dont have a video camera lol

[mwheeler27]

im thinking anywhere between %1.5-%2.5 or so would be a nice compensation for the breaker... but however it shakes out im down...

also i still think 25 bucks should be taken for shipping supplies since that would technically be part of the costs/fees , etc

I think it should be a fixed amount. If we lose money, the one doing the work won't get much. And if we hit 3 cuts, (WOW!!!), I think the percentage would be a little high.

We definitely have to take into consideration shipping supplies and fees.

[iam4car3]

Are we at $200.00 or $300.00 per share.

[mwheeler27]

Are we at $200.00 or $300.00 per share.

We need to decide if we want to try for 2 or 3 cases. To keep the number of people involved to a minimum, I would say $200 per share if 2 cases, and $300 per share if we do 3 cases. Just my opinion.

[CaptainBOHICA]

Are we at $200.00 or $300.00 per share.

i guess it would all depend on how many cases we do.. if we can do 3 cases, personally i can do 300 at the most... but i will get in whether its 200 or 300 since thats all i can afford lol :)!

(sorry swerve - couldn't pull the 700 for gridiron lol)

[iam4car3]

It appears that we are beating a dead horse until someone with listing skills comes aboard. :)

[mwheeler27]

There's over 100 posts already in this thread. I wonder if it will beat the "contest" thread? LOL

Seriously though, let's figure this out in the next day or so and do it. I have the time do the break, and list and ship. I wouldn't even want any extra to do it, BUT my skills in listing may suck. What if Captain came up with the item title and description, I'd run it through my Ebay account, (no problem with money that way), and I don't take any extra, other than shipping supplies and fees, to do it. We could give Captain something lucrative for coming up with all the item descriptions.

[CaptainBOHICA]

wheeler, start a new thread and lets see what we interest we get when we wake up int he morning...

we still need someone who can list (not necessarily rip)

and a couple more people to take up shares for a 2-3 case break

[CaptainBOHICA]

There's over 100 posts already in this thread. I wonder if it will beat the "contest" thread? LOL

Seriously though, let's figure this out in the next day or so and do it. I have the time do the break, and list and ship. I wouldn't even want any extra to do it, BUT my skills in listing may suck. What if Captain came up with the item title and description, I'd run it through my Ebay account, (no problem with money that way), and I don't take any extra, other than shipping supplies and fees, to do it. We could give Captain something lucrative for coming up with all the item descriptions.

i've used the same item template for all my items... i pretty much let the title and/or picture do the talking...and occaisionally add some text for special cards (like the raymer), but i would do my part and come up with the templates for everything if someone can actually use their ebay acct to do it (since i have $ limitations) - no need for extra either.

[iam4car3]

Cool and good night. :)

[mwheeler27]

Do you want me to start a new thread, or just see where this one takes us?

[CaptainBOHICA]

might as well start a new one. the thread is gonna get convoluted anyways ... at least we'll be able to update the first post as necessary

[mwheeler27]

Started new thread titled, "3 Case 2007 Razor Poker Group Break/Buy".

[swerve]

i guess it would all depend on how many cases we do.. if we can do 3 cases, personally i can do 300 at the most... but i will get in whether its 200 or 300 since thats all i can afford lol :)!

(sorry swerve - couldn't pull the 700 for gridiron lol)


LOL, how did you know I would eventually see this thread. Too bad I was gonna see if you wanted to swing 25% of a GG case. :cool:

[coaltowncards]

I would like to join this group!!! I have listed and sold about 4000 successful items and am semi-addicted to the whole razor thing.


If you just need another person to hold a share or two I'm in as well.

[coaltowncards]

By the way. I am getting another case today I will let you all know how it went.

[mwheeler27]

By the way. I am getting another case today I will let you all know how it went.

I'm interested in a Raymer you might pull. :)

[Tim]

I picked up another case too. Will break it Thursday when it arrives. Listing all my pulls from case #1 later today.

[coaltowncards]

Well the second case is here. Please be the lincoln. I'll posts any great or not so great results soon....

[CaptainBOHICA]

good luck coal.... hope you hit a cut..... just not the lincoln so we can hit that in the group break hahahaha jk :)!

[coaltowncards]

Didn't get the lincoln, BUT, did get the Shannon Elizabeth Paraphernalia auto. 4 dual signatures & 25 different single autos.

(3) Brunson, Cloutier, Margolis, E. Ng, Gordon
(2) Moneymaker, Flack, Harmon, Gold, Smith,Mizrachi, Arieh, Mercier, Jett

So assuming the SSP Elizabeth GU Auto & 1 other of 200 SP does well, it looks like this one should break even too.

[mwheeler27]

Didn't get the lincoln, BUT, did get the Shannon Elizabeth Paraphernalia auto. 4 dual signatures & 25 different single autos.

(3) Brunson, Cloutier, Margolis, E. Ng, Gordon
(2) Moneymaker, Flack, Harmon, Gold, Smith,Mizrachi, Arieh, Mercier, Jett

So assuming the SSP Elizabeth GU Auto & 1 other of 200 SP does well, it looks like this one should break even too.

That Elizabeth should go for nearly $500. How are you going to list it? Or are you even going to sell it?

[coaltowncards]

I will likely sell it. maybe bin 500 obo.

[CaptainBOHICA]

nice hit coal. if you get anywhere near the 500 the rest of the case = gravy, hopefully.

better collation.. at least you ddin't get stuck with 4-5 of the same auto.

[coaltowncards]

Put shannon on for three days. let the games begin;)

[mwheeler27]

Put shannon on for three days. let the games begin;)

Too bad I already have it. I would have bid it way up for you. I might anyway. It's a nice card.:)!

[coaltowncards]

it seems the other shannon regular auto is more limited. what do you think?

[hockeyjunkie99]

Are there any Doyle Brusnon Autos???? Haven't seen any on the Bay.

[mwheeler27]

it seems the other shannon regular auto is more limited. what do you think?

They both have the same "stated" print run of less that 25, but I have seen more of the GU auto than just the regular auto.

[mwheeler27]

Are there any Doyle Brusnon Autos???? Haven't seen any on the Bay.

Nope, just Todd Brunson.

[iam4car3]

Does anyone know the print run for the Todd Brunson green auto and the red one that someone posted about on this board or the Isabelle Mercier NO MERCY auto? Thanks in advance. :)

[mwheeler27]

Does anyone know the print run for the Todd Brunson green auto and the red one that someone posted about on this board or the Isabelle Mercier NO MERCY auto? Thanks in advance. :)

I don't know. It appears that there are a few less "NO MERCY" cards, but in my case I had 4 of her cards and 3 of them said NO MERCY.

I have the same opinion on the green variation. There seems to be just a few less of them as well, and they sell for a little more than the black version. I don't know about the red version. I would love to see it. Soon I hope. ;)

Our group break of 6 cases should shed a little more light on both of these questions. I hope they're full of red ink variations so we can sell them one at a time.

[CaptainBOHICA]

FYI - i had emailed someone on the other boards about their razor cards... per the, they pulled a harry truman cut... and he mentioned the other two that were on ebay, so that makes 3 harry trumans out.

need to find out how many cuts were actually produced.

[mwheeler27]

As per my count that's turned up so far...

There are 11 different cuts "supposedly"...Not sure how many of each though.

I have seen:

2 Trumans. (on more now making 3)
1 LBJ
2 Nixons. The same one was sold twice, so I have still only seen 2.
1 JQ Adams The same one here was sold twice also.

That's it for what I have seen. There are supposedly 7 other "different" ones that have yet been pulled.

Does anyone have other info?

[CaptainBOHICA]

i tried to call josh at razor but got a voicemail. didn't bother leaving a msg because i wanted a live voice.. maybe someone else can try?

[mwheeler27]

I want to talk to Tristar! :mad: