Topps Marquee...reboot

[soxfanintx]

All,

Hate to start a new thread on this, but I have read the last big thread and I'm still on the fence on this.

I have yet to decide on my first ever case to buy, but when I posted for advice on what to buy, got a lot of Marquee responses. And the last thread makes a case of this sound like a sure thing as far as getting your money back and then some.

2k is a ton of money for me...probably for most of us actually...so I wanted to see if everyone is still feeling strongly towards this product. The checklist looks awesome, but I'm just so hesitant to pull the trigger. Guess I just need some reassurance...not a guarantee of course..we are all gamblers at heart..:D

Btw...so a case go for $1800 last night on ebay..shoulda jumped on it..

[ETSC]

No guarantees, but it certainly has potential and looks promising. We have increased our order twice already. My concerns are Topps increasing the production run and a crowded release calendar. Topps has quite a few products coming out in a fairly small window this summer/fall which may cut into the demand for each and keep prices depressed across the board. It's always a gamble, and I don't see prices climbing as high as some on this board do, but I think you COULD make $100 to $150/box or so. Good luck with whatever you decide.

By the way, where in Texas are you? Longview, up in East Texas here.

[LABUMA]

No guarantees, but it certainly has potential and looks promising. We have increased our order twice already. My concerns are Topps increasing the production run and a crowded release calendar. Topps has quite a few products coming out in a fairly small window this summer/fall which may cut into the demand for each and keep prices depressed across the board. It's always a gamble, and I don't see prices climbing as high as some on this board do, but I think you COULD make $100 to $150/box or so. Good luck with whatever you decide.

By the way, where in Texas are you? Longview, up in East Texas here.

People that think it's going to 350 a box are blowing smoke.

I do see Marquee increasing in value, but not as much as Tribute.


Having said that, I have a case of Marquee on order, and am trying to get funds for a second case quickly before release.


The way I see it, because of the 1200 case production being so small, the value of this product will not decrease at all. Worst case scenario, you make your money back if you are looking to flip a case. Best case, the case moves to a $3k price point and you make some $.

[kyle1707]

People that think it's going to 350 a box are blowing smoke.

I do see Marquee increasing in value, but not as much as Tribute.


Having said that, I have a case of Marquee on order, and am trying to get funds for a second case quickly before release.


The way I see it, because of the 1200 case production being so small, the value of this product will not decrease at all. Worst case scenario, you make your money back if you are looking to flip a case. Best case, the case moves to a $3k price point and you make some $.

It will be better than tribute and it will go to 300-350 a box with in month of release....

no high end baseball since tribute 4 months ago... With only 4 packs a box it will dry up in weeks...

my guess is 80 a pack and 320 a box with in a month

[ShtHairMcGee]

So glad someone made this thread cause I didn't want to be that guy! I'm just glad I bought my first case as well and this marquee is gonna be fun whether I flip or break.

Good luck on your decision!

[pakman916]

I bought 2 cases. 1 for a group break and 1 for myself. I think this product will be spectacular. The card design looks great. There are 2 big case hits as well as 48 total hits in a Master Case. This does not include the base/parallel you can pull. And the checklist looks great as well.

[spencer2986]

A lot of products just don't do it for me anymore. Marquee on the other hand is a new product that looks pretty promising, that's why I'm looking forward to something different.

Even at the current price of around $160 a box, each box has a fair amount to offer. It's deff affordable and cheap enough for someone to keep coming back to which I think will be the reason for a price jump. Not so much because of the huge hits that you can get, but just the overall quality for the price.

The only thing that this could have used to make it a sure winner, would have been to put a 1/1 cut auto of each of the 8 Legends into the mix.

I say it goes up to $70 a pack in the end. Could be wrong but guess will find out soon enough.

[Burt-Reynolds]

It will be better than tribute and it will go to 300-350 a box with in month of release....

no high end baseball since tribute 4 months ago... With only 4 packs a box it will dry up in weeks...

my guess is 80 a pack and 320 a box with in a month

I hope you are right, but I just can't see it. I think max 250-270 a box if it's really hot, which would still be incredible. I debated on this for a few weeks and decided to pull the trigger on 2 12 box cases for 1850 each. I'm pretty nervous and excited as this is my first high end case purchase. I usually only buy bowman cases to bust, however I am strictly buying these cases to re sell. This my first venture into this. I guess worse case scenario is I break even. We'll see.

[soxfanintx]

Thanks for all the info guys...i probably should have mentioned there is NO way in hell I could have this lying around and not break it open...if I do get one, there will be no re-selling of boxes for me. Not sure if that would change anyone's opinion or not...

[anusinha]

I got a couple of cases and as long as Topps doesnt mess with the sell sheet, this should be a winner. That being said, Topps could see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in their eyes from everyone trying to order the crap out of this and run the printing presses.

[TheHeel]

I am in for 2 cases.....not sure what I'm going to do with them yet

[death2redemptions]

Thanks for all the info guys...i probably should have mentioned there is NO way in hell I could have this lying around and not break it open...if I do get one, there will be no re-selling of boxes for me. Not sure if that would change anyone's opinion or not...

You may not get your money back if you decide to bust the case. That is a real gamble with a new high end product. Especially since there are two other products coming out around the same time. People may want to spend their money on the cheaper stuff. But if you pull something good you should make out fine but be careful. Most of all the people on here talking about making money are those who are saving the cases to sell later. Apparently that's the way you make your money back. I don't save cases so I can't comment on that.

[Prospect Rush]

Seems like about 200 cases are accounted for on here. :D:D:D

Bet we have some disappointed people...

[spencer2986]

I would be careful buying from eBay on this product especially if it stays limited. Reason being, alot of people may not get their orders or may back out from sending their cases if they see it doing really good. Stick to the trusted online sellers to be on the safe side.

[7290morint]

I would be careful buying from eBay on this product especially if it stays limited. Reason being, alot of people may not get their orders or may back out from sending their cases if they see it doing really good. Stick to the trusted online sellers to be on the safe side.

How does anybody know that this product is going to be "limited". I'm sure Topps will produce more than enough cases of this.

[Burt-Reynolds]

How does anybody know that this product is going to be "limited". I'm sure Topps will produce more than enough cases of this.

That's what I keep saying. I find it funny that a member looked at the checklist and formulated a print run from it and everyone just took it as gospel. No one really knows what the print run on anything is unless you hear it from the manufacturer themselves bottom line.

Just cause a member here puts together some foggy math doesn't make it true.

[ShtHairMcGee]

That's what I keep saying. I find it funny that a member looked at the checklist and formulated a print run from it and everyone just took it as gospel. No one really knows what the print run on anything is unless you hear it from the manufacturer themselves bottom line.

Just cause a member here puts together some foggy math doesn't make it true.

The "foggy math" is pretty simple though. 120 subjects on the case hit autos that are /10 and that makes 1200 cases. It may not be exact but pretty close.

As far as topps making more...yes there is a good chance...but right now it looks nice.

[7290morint]

The "foggy math" is pretty simple though. 120 subjects on the case hit autos that are /10 and that makes 1200 cases. It may not be exact but pretty close.

As far as topps making more...yes there is a good chance...but right now it looks nice.

The problem with this math is that it assumes ideal collation. We all know that is not the case whatsoever. Surely there will be people who are shorted case hits and surely there are people who will receive more than one case hit. There is no way topps is producing only 1200 cases of this stuff. Furthermore, the checklist is merely a preliminary one and subjects could be added as well as subtracted. I think it is naive to assume that there will only be 1200 cases of this product.

[hoopster3977]

How does anybody know that this product is going to be "limited". I'm sure Topps will produce more than enough cases of this.

Edit: info posted previously

[ShtHairMcGee]

The problem with this math is that it assumes ideal collation. We all know that is not the case whatsoever. Surely there will be people who are shorted case hits and surely there are people who will receive more than one case hit. There is no way topps is producing only 1200 cases of this stuff. Furthermore, the checklist is merely a preliminary one and subjects could be added as well as subtracted. I think it is naive to assume that there will only be 1200 cases of this product.

Did you get the part where I said "it may not be exact". I understand people will be shortest and get extras. 1200 is a good number to go by right now.

[LABUMA]

The problem with this math is that it assumes ideal collation. We all know that is not the case whatsoever. Surely there will be people who are shorted case hits and surely there are people who will receive more than one case hit. There is no way topps is producing only 1200 cases of this stuff. Furthermore, the checklist is merely a preliminary one and subjects could be added as well as subtracted. I think it is naive to assume that there will only be 1200 cases of this product.

Ideal collation assumes that 1200 cases will be made. with a guarantee of the case hit, and only 1200 case hits being made, Topps has absolutely 0 reason to make more than 1200 cases.

[festus]

There is no way topps is producing only 1200 cases of this stuff.

you come off like youre stating fact but i'll take this as just your opinion

[pakman916]

That's what I keep saying. I find it funny that a member looked at the checklist and formulated a print run from it and everyone just took it as gospel. No one really knows what the print run on anything is unless you hear it from the manufacturer themselves bottom line.

Just cause a member here puts together some foggy math doesn't make it true.

I agree Topps can make more than 1200 cases, but based on the fact that it's 1 per case and that there are 120 subjects # to 10 for the museum and 120 #10 for the Titanic Jumbo Relic Auto. How could they make more when the sell sheet says it's 1 of each per master case? Wouldn't that be false advertising? I think it's unfair for you to call it foggy math. If it's not 1200 I don't know how Topps is going to get away with shorting hundreds of people their case hit. It will be close to 1200 cases, give or take a few.

[ShtHairMcGee]

I agree Topps can make more than 1200 cases, but based on the fact that it's 1 per case and that there are 120 subjects # to 10 for the museum and 120 #10 for the Titanic Jumbo Relic Auto. How could they make more when the sell sheet says it's 1 of each per master case? Wouldn't that be false advertising? I think it's unfair for you to call it foggy math. If it's not 1200 I don't know how Topps is going to get away with shorting hundreds of people their case hit. It will be close to 1200 cases, give or take a few.

I'm on this boat with you, Captain.

[ETSC]

I agree Topps can make more than 1200 cases, but based on the fact that it's 1 per case and that there are 120 subjects # to 10 for the museum and 120 #10 for the Titanic Jumbo Relic Auto. How could they make more when the sell sheet says it's 1 of each per master case? Wouldn't that be false advertising? I think it's unfair for you to call it foggy math. If it's not 1200 I don't know how Topps is going to get away with shorting hundreds of people their case hit. It will be close to 1200 cases, give or take a few.

I agree. They aren't going to increase the print run and short hundreds of people their case hits (in this case a significant portion of the total print run). The only change I could see occurring is Topps increases the list from 120 to 150 or so which increases the print run to 1500 cases. This is a very real possibility, but I think it would still be a very strong product.

[pakman916]

I agree. They aren't going to increase the print run and short hundreds of people their case hits (in this case a significant portion of the total print run). The only change I could see occurring is Topps increases the list from 120 to 150 or so which increases the print run to 1500 cases. This is a very real possibility, but I think it would still be a very strong product.

But don't forget...if they do that, they'll have to increase both the Titanic Jumbo Relic Auto AND the Museum Collection. Not saying it can't happen, but it would be interesting to see what they add. And as you said, it's still a strong product regardless.

You know what just occured to me. Didn't Topps do some funny business with Pro Debut? Where they made the blue parallels 309 instead of 199. Now if they did that to Marquee where they made /10 into /15 or /25....now that would piss a lot of people off.

[Prospect Rush]

But don't forget...if they do that, they'll have to increase both the Titanic Jumbo Relic Auto AND the Museum Collection. Not saying it can't happen, but it would be interesting to see what they add. And as you said, it's still a strong product regardless.

You know what just occured to me. Didn't Topps do some funny business with Pro Debut? Where they made the blue parallels 309 instead of 199. Now if they did that to Marquee where they made /10 into /15 or /25....now that would piss a lot of people off.

Now that does make some sense.

:mad::mad::mad: DAMN YOU TOPPS!!!!!!

[Prospect Rush]

But don't forget...if they do that, they'll have to increase both the Titanic Jumbo Relic Auto AND the Museum Collection. Not saying it can't happen, but it would be interesting to see what they add. And as you said, it's still a strong product regardless.

You know what just occured to me. Didn't Topps do some funny business with Pro Debut? Where they made the blue parallels 309 instead of 199. Now if they did that to Marquee where they made /10 into /15 or /25....now that would piss a lot of people off.

What happened to that whole false advertising thing?

[jlcherry2477]

what about Tier 1...??? is that going to be as good, checklist has "some" similar players...it is #'ed somewhat higher, but the price is 1/2 that of Marquee??

[pakman916]

What happened to that whole false advertising thing?

Yeah...forgot about the "subject to change" warning. You guys are all Debbie Downers. :(

I'm going to give Topps the benefit of the doubt and say they don't F this one up. I think the price point is just high enough to scare away the flippers...which should reduce demand. Also, pricing is declining. If it was in high demand or drying up, it would be climbing.

[Prospect Rush]

Ya this product has me confused. Checklist looks good, stores were limited allocation, and still you can buy cases for $1800 4 weeks before release.

[festus]

I'm going to give Topps the benefit of the doubt and say they don't F this one up. I think the price point is just high enough to scare away the flippers...which should reduce demand. Also, pricing is declining. If it was in high demand or drying up, it would be climbing.

this is a debut year for marquee, first year product has a history of being lights out. i think 2011 marquee will do well & watch topps screw up 2012 marquee. also, a slight price drop shouldnt be a concern considering the number of different product that is coming out this summer & the history of softer pricing this time of year.

[spencer2986]

this is a debut year for marquee, first year product has a history of being lights out. i think 2011 marquee will do well & watch topps screw up 2012 marquee. also, a slight price drop shouldnt be a concern considering the number of different product that is coming out this summer & the history of softer pricing this time of year.

My EXACT thought. Besides, the price never really dropped, people just weren't buying it at the "asking" price. Now if it starts selling for $1700 a case, then yea you can say it dropped.

Even if there are more than 1200 cases, you still have to keep in mind that people were limited to how much could be ordered. With that said, once everyone is run out of their 2 or 3 cases they ordered, they will be looking for more to buy, just like the next guy and the next guy. In the long run I would assume that unopened cases is where the money will be, IF this sells out fast.

[PackAttack419]

bait and switch? topps is notorious. i highly doubt there will only be 1200 cases. i love how you guys stick with the math even though card companies change numbers and hits, etc from the sellsheet all the time. if topps sees the pre-order #s and realizes there is so much demand, why would they not increase production and try to have as many boxes/cases to sell as possible?

will this product be a winner? looking like yes, but to say that it shoots up to 300+ per box? ... possibly, but doubtful IMO

[Sushiyoshi]

I hope the pack with the metal frames weigh the same as others. Else, I can see a lot of problems if the LCS's sell by the packs.

[spencer2986]

Personally I'm not looking at Marquee as a sleeper product that will skyrocket or a quick rip and flip. I want something I enjoy opening and not a product that makes me fall asleep while halfway through the box.

[Burt-Reynolds]

bait and switch? topps is notorious. i highly doubt there will only be 1200 cases. i love how you guys stick with the math even though card companies change numbers and hits, etc from the sellsheet all the time. if topps sees the pre-order #s and realizes there is so much demand, why would they not increase production and try to have as many boxes/cases to sell as possible?

will this product be a winner? looking like yes, but to say that it shoots up to 300+ per box? ... possibly, but doubtful IMO

Well now that Platinum is out it seems clear as to why the product was pushed back. It looks like they delayed it so they could get back to the presses and load it up with no name autos numbered in the 1000's :eek:. It looks like they saw the pre order numbers and hype and decided to ramp up production.

This is exactly what I'm scared of with Marquee. The pre orders seem like they are large, and there is alot of hype regarding the product. I think if Topps delays the release and pushes it back we could be looking at a watering down of the product and crushing the dreams everyone has of this product taking off. We all should be praying Topps doesn't annouce a delay for Marquee right about now.

[Tyler]

Well now that Platinum is out it seems clear as to why the product was pushed back. It looks like they delayed it so they could get back to the presses and load it up with no name autos numbered in the 1000's :eek:. It looks like they saw the pre order numbers and hype and decided to ramp up production.

This is exactly what I'm scared of with Marquee. The pre orders seem like they are large, and there is alot of hype regarding the product. I think if Topps delays the release and pushes it back we could be looking at a watering down of the product and crushing the dreams everyone has of this product taking off. We all should be praying Topps doesn't annouce a delay for Marquee right about now.

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[Burt-Reynolds]

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Care to explain further or are you just trying to be clever, cause right now you just look like a retard.

[Tyler]

Care to explain further or are you just trying to be clever, cause right now you just look like a retard.

Bowman Platinum != Topps Marquee

[Burt-Reynolds]

Bowman Platinum != Topps Marquee

Just like I said the first time retarded. I now know to ignore anything you post, as you more than likely resemeble the picture in your avatar way too closely. Maybe that is a self portrait they had you do in special ed?

[spencer2986]

Well like it was said earlier, it seems like 200 cases alone were bought from members on this board already. Lets just hope Topps doesn't get any smart ideas.

[Tyler]

Just like I said the first time retarded. I now know to ignore anything you post, as you more than likely resemeble the picture in your avatar way too closely. Maybe that is a self portrait they had you do in special ed?

I like the part where you insult me because my opinion differs from yours.

[grahamgdogg]

I like the part where you insult me because my opinion differs from yours.

My favorite part is him calling you a retard because he's never heard the saying about apples and oranges...

[spencer2986]

I like apples

[pac213up]

I like oranges

[Burt-Reynolds]

My favorite part is him calling you a retard because he's never heard the saying about apples and oranges...

No I've heard the saying Apples and Oranges. Hell I've said it a million times working in sales. However his cute little pictures do not offer anything relevant to the conversation I was trying to start regarding this topic. He was trying to come up with a cool hip troll response is all.

Back on topic, how can anyone think apples and oranges on this based on what we just saw happen to Platinum. You think because one is a prospect product and one is a vet/HOF product Topps won't crank up the presses based on pre orders. Especially after the way Topps just butchered the Platinum auto checklist, you don't think they would have a problem doubling the museum checklist with some sub par names, or even changing the seeding on Museum pieces to say 1 per 2 or 3 cases.

I'm very nervous with my pre order now based on what I just saw with Platinum, sure they are nice looking cards and some people have gotten very lucky with their cases. However it won't do anything for this product 3 months from now when boxes are selling for 75-85 bucks. I bought Marquee strictly on the pre buzz hoping to be able to make a few sheckles and now I'm not sure.

[pac213up]

No I've heard the saying Apples and Oranges. Hell I've said it a million times working in sales. However his cute little pictures do not offer anything relevant to the conversation I was trying to start regarding this topic. He was trying to come up with a cool hip troll response is all.

Back on topic, how can anyone think apples and oranges on this based on what we just saw happen to Platinum. You think because one is a prospect product and one is a vet/HOF product Topps won't crank up the presses based on pre orders. Especially after the way Topps just butchered the Platinum auto checklist, you don't think they would have a problem doubling the museum checklist with some sub par names, or even changing the seeding on Museum pieces to say 1 per 2 or 3 cases.

I'm very nervous with my pre order now based on what I just saw with Platinum, sure they are nice looking cards and some people have gotten very lucky with their cases. However it won't do anything for this product 3 months from now when boxes are selling for 75-85 bucks. I bought Marquee strictly on the pre buzz hoping to be able to make a few sheckles and now I'm not sure.

Quite honestly....if it concerns you that much then you probably should not be doing this. It stinks but bait and switch and running the presses is nothing new. If you are going to be preordering cases you have to take the good with the bad. Overall Topps baseball products have been killer this year for profits but that does not change the fact that each product will come with a risk. We have seen this before and will see it again.

[ReinholdMessner]

I would think the ability to track down a 21 year old schlepping across the midwest in High A ball would be a lot less for the card companies than an established MLB player or retiree who they may have a had years to develop a relationship with

[spencer2986]

Serious question, how often do they crank the presses on a higher-end product? I only ask b/c it's much easier to produce base cards/rookies/prospects over actual game-used and autographs that are seeded one per pack.

[SteakNchop]

That's what I keep saying. I find it funny that a member looked at the checklist and formulated a print run from it and everyone just took it as gospel. No one really knows what the print run on anything is unless you hear it from the manufacturer themselves bottom line.

Just cause a member here puts together some foggy math doesn't make it true.

If you hear it from the manufacturer it's a load of crap.

[Burt-Reynolds]

If you hear it from the manufacturer it's a load of crap.

You're right. Now that I see what happened with this Platinum crap I 100% retract my statement. lol.

[TheToppsMan]

Marquee- solid checklist, 4 hits per box... I already pre-ordered a box :)