Did KG screw up negotiations? [Archive]

tupark82

10-17-2011, 11:04 PM

NBA winning public fight with players - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_labor_stars_union_101711)

I've read a number of times now that on the day when things seemed to progress towards an agreement between the parties and everyone was hopeful(the last negotiation before Stern cancelled games), KG and a couple of other notable stars showed up out of nowhere to be defiant and KG in particular really messed up what, again, was great progress.

It doesn't surprise me in the least bit that he would do this. He never gave a #@#@#@#@ about anyone except himself and maybe his teammates. I guess in this case, his teammates are the players. Freakin KG. I never minded his court antics all that much, but this. I'll never look at him the same.

NBA management believes negotiations with the players changed when Kevin Garnett entered the negotiating room on Oct. 4. The owners knew it wouldn’t go well when Garnett started glowering across the table, sources said, like the league lawyers, owners and officials were opponents at the center jump. He was defiant, determined and downright ornery. He was K.G. Everyone knew Hunter had to cede to the wishes of the stars, and the stars demanded that the players stop making concessions to the owners.

As one league official said, “We were making progress, until Garnett [expletive] everything up.”

jameshues

10-17-2011, 11:35 PM

%@#$! you Kevin Garnett you stupid piece of @$#!t. %@#$!ing $%!@##@!$%@!@#!$!!%@#%$@!#$#@%

sdsportsfan1214

10-18-2011, 12:26 AM

KG is a prick so this shouldnt be shocking to anyone. Guy is pure scum

lakernation10

10-18-2011, 12:50 AM

KG is a Celtic. Dirty and old.. F*CK That OLD D*CK SH*T

bettydaw1970

10-18-2011, 12:56 AM

kg has banked well over 100 million bucks playing..he can afford to sit there and be a hardass...

WillC

10-18-2011, 01:12 AM

KG is one of the nicest and most respectful players I've met, I really like him.

XARZY

10-18-2011, 08:13 AM

Why is he even involved in the negotiations? HES ABOUT TO RETIRE! HES ANCIENT!

lb_sa

10-18-2011, 08:16 AM

Huge KG fan. This is unfortunate but I love his game. A LOT of people loved him until he went to Boston, and now you either love or hate him. That's the way it is when you are a Celtic or a Laker. People love to hate on those who win a lot and play for the best two teams ever.

jlzinck

10-18-2011, 08:19 AM

%@#$! you Kevin Garnett you stupid piece of @$#!t. %@#$!ing $%!@##@!$%@!@#!$!!%@#%$@!#$#@%

KG is a prick so this shouldnt be shocking to anyone. Guy is pure scum

KG is a Celtic. Dirty and old.. F*CK That OLD D*CK SH*T

Why is he even involved in the negotiations? HES ABOUT TO RETIRE! HES ANCIENT!

So these are the NBA "fans" huh? No wonders there are more and higher dollar ripoffs in the BKB market with some of these replies.

bballcardkid4

10-18-2011, 08:19 AM

He called Charlie Vilanueava a "Cancer Patient"

Orangejello727

10-18-2011, 08:28 AM

I highly doubt one player could influence everything to go array. Then again if owners and players are dumb enough to base the entire negotiations on one players comment then they deserve it.

coolz

10-18-2011, 08:30 AM

tupark82

10-18-2011, 08:46 AM

Yes and No

From what I'm understanding, he's actually better off just making a deal and not missing paychecks
He doesn't have many years left, and the lost paychecks can't be recouped by him
So he's actually trying to do a favor for the players, and future players

and completely oblivious to the fact that him and his greedy superstar friends may have destroyed the image/popularity of the league for years to come, which isn't going to help the future players anyway. what the hell is the point of arguing over BRI if 2/3 of all the stadiums are going to be empty? talk about trying to bite the hand that feeds them.

if they actually have the nerves to shut down for a majority of this season, i just might walk away as a hardcore fan, stick to old school games, and move on with my life. i don't feel like supporting a league that is full of this kind of pathetic greed and completely oblivious to its fans. the players talk about how they are everything because it's a player driven league. well, it's a player driven league supported by the fans that make it a player drive league and they seem to have forgotten that over their meaningless pride battle with the owners.

i walked away from being a hardcore baseball fan once heavy steroid use was confirmed by so many of the greats. will nba be next?? :T

armyatc22

10-18-2011, 08:53 AM

I'm sorry if they were "so" far apart coming into this meeting it didn't matter what went on

Plus that was 2 weeks ago why is it coming up now?

tupark82

10-18-2011, 09:05 AM

they are so far apart now because how far apart they were changed when the superstars suddenly decided to take off from vacation from the negotiations on that day and changed it all. they all went clubbing and partied that same freakin night to show just how concerned they are about the situation. great representation of the league really.

it's coming up now because the article i provided is one that was written yesterday. there were rumors of how kg seemed to have affected the meetings that day, but there wasn't really anything concrete about it.

natbornkiller

10-18-2011, 09:06 AM

plain is simple
what do you expect from someone who was tooooooo good for college or was it dumb - i forget
http://virtualteenagewasteland.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/633909397356188500_edumacation_epic_motis_part4_school_days-s800x600-48490.jpg

sesmarine04

10-18-2011, 09:14 AM

And you must have missed some english courses also....

plain is simple
what do you expect from someone who was tooooooo got for college or was it dumb - i forget
http://virtualteenagewasteland.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/633909397356188500_edumacation_epic_motis_part4_school_days-s800x600-48490.jpg

byronscott4ever

10-18-2011, 09:22 AM

Bill Simmons discussed KG in his last column (about deferred money, just how much he's made already which makes it easier to be stronger than others, etc.). I read in another article about how the owners thought they made progress and came in to find Pierce, Garnett and Kobe saying no and they were done talking and this was after the three weren't involved previously. Don't be fooled that KG is this way in Boston, he was that way in MN too. I guess because his crazy contract essentially caused the first one he felt like he needed to take credit away from The Decision and take care of this one too?

lemur01

10-18-2011, 09:33 AM

Sure. Its all KG's fault. :rolleyes:

pac213up

10-18-2011, 09:58 AM

Yes and No

From what I'm understanding, he's actually better off just making a deal and not missing paychecks
He doesn't have many years left, and the lost paychecks can't be recouped by him
So he's actually trying to do a favor for the players, and future players

I think this is fairly accurate. His next contract is not going to be impacted at all by these negotiations, he has no skin in the game. There was an article much earlier in the process talking about how this wave of stars (Kobe, KG, Pierce, and others) were the ones that would have to stand for the players and would push the players agenda. Besides the fact he is willing to give up one of the last years of his career to do it for the next generation of players.

Garnett makes stand in NBA's labor battle - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_lockout_kevin_garnett_100611)

"“What he’s doing now, to me, it says a lot about K.G.,” says a younger NBA player who made about $5 million last season. “He’s willing to sit out the year, and give up [$21 million] at the end of his last big contract, and probably his last really good chance to win another ring. For him, this is about the principle.

“I don’t want to hear this stuff from our guys saying, ‘Oh, he can afford to sit out. He’s made a lot of money.’ I respect the [expletive] out of those guys standing up for us right now, him, Kobe, all of them.”

RetailChamp

10-18-2011, 11:02 AM

XARZY

10-18-2011, 11:08 AM

So these are the NBA "fans" huh? No wonders there are more and higher dollar ripoffs in the BKB market with some of these replies.How does my commenting on Kevin Garnett's age have anything to do with 'HIGH DOLLAR RIPOFFS'?
I have plenty of opinions on the Lock-out but this is a thread about Kevin Garnett.

Orangejello727

10-18-2011, 11:11 AM

What people don't understand is that guys like KG, Pierce, Kobe, all the superstars .... they HAVE plenty of money. They could care less if the season happens because they are all financially stable thanks to endorsements and hefty contracts.

It's the little guys who only make $1-5 million that are going to be hurt by this. They are most likely still young, and probably don't have the money to just sit around. That's why there were so many middle-of-the-pack guys going to Europe to play. Everyone laughed at Delonte West when he got his hardware store job, but it makes sense.

These young guys think KG is doing them a favor by fighting, but they don't realize he is actually hurting their situation

Forget the young players making millions. How about the staff and those who work in these arenas that are not getting paid. These people make wages that range from $30 to $100k /year. Or assitant coaches and team staff they are on hold while Billionair owners and Multi millionaire thugs try and battle out who gets the last of the millions left on the table!!

pac213up

10-18-2011, 11:14 AM

These young guys think KG is doing them a favor by fighting, but they don't realize he is actually hurting their situation

The young guys (and their agents) understand the situation much better than us. It's likely the short term loss would benefit them in the long run. Unlike the rest of us, they know the actual numbers being discussed, understand how much they are really willing to push back, and the financial ramifications of doing so.

fungi2510

10-18-2011, 11:23 AM

The young guys (and their agents) understand the situation much better than us. It's likely the short term loss would benefit them in the long run. Unlike the rest of us, they know the actual numbers being discussed, understand how much they are really willing to push back, and the financial ramifications of doing so.

Again, you say the things that are needed to say. The model that they have been doing is not working at all. They need to revamp everything. Contract teams, get out of those 7 year contracts, etc. If KG and the older guys who do not "need" the money don't stand up, the players are going to get railroaded on this and will be screwed for years to come. Gotta love a voice of reason.

0264 roadrunner1964

10-18-2011, 11:23 AM

Get rid of the NBA.....

clipperboy24

10-18-2011, 11:34 AM

players like KG and other older stars are just hurting themselves. They lose one year of money they will never match again and look foolish in the mean time. Their leverage was negated mid summer and was menial even before then.

If the season is lost the players will ultimately be the losers because these owners dont rely on basketball for their primary income but the players do and I think a lot of casual fans drop off in the process

pac213up

10-18-2011, 11:51 AM

Again, you say the things that are needed to say. The model that they have been doing is not working at all. They need to revamp everything. Contract teams, get out of those 7 year contracts, etc. If KG and the older guys who do not "need" the money don't stand up, the players are going to get railroaded on this and will be screwed for years to come. Gotta love a voice of reason.

As you would expect, fans look at it from their own perspective of things. They also view it in the short term compared to the union and players who are concerned about not just this CBA but the next one as well. I'm a fan of the game and a season ticket holder that hates the fact I will be missing games BUT I think the process needs to play out to make the league a better league. I expect both sides to give it everything they got before they get there. The various "news" stories revolving around unnamed sources is more of a distraction than anything else and should be taken with a grain of salt.

XARZY

10-18-2011, 11:56 AM

As you would expect, fans look at it from their own perspective of things. They also view it in the short term compared to the union and players who are concerned about not just this CBA but the next one as well. I'm a fan of the game and a season ticket holder that hates the fact I will be missing games BUT I think the process needs to play out to make the league a better league. I expect both sides to give it everything they got before they get there.

When players can realize that they aren't the ones risking ANYTHING financially with the teams success/failure then they will see that Owners giving 50/50 splits is more than generous. Teams with CRAP RECORDS and PLAYERS WITH HIGH SALARIES/MEDIOCRE STATS are not going to turn profits for their teams/team owners. When the PA sees this and how the people want the OWNERS to THRIVE IN ORDER FOR TEAMS TO STAY AFLOAT then this lockout will be resolved.

KOBE/LEBRON/GARNET/WADE.. ETC want an extra 3% for the PA then how about they give up 10% of their salaries collectively and it would surely add up to that 3% for the PA.

pac213up

10-18-2011, 01:41 PM

When players can realize that they aren't the ones risking ANYTHING financially with the teams success/failure then they will see that Owners giving 50/50 splits is more than generous. Teams with CRAP RECORDS and PLAYERS WITH HIGH SALARIES/MEDIOCRE STATS are not going to turn profits for their teams/team owners. When the PA sees this and how the people want the OWNERS to THRIVE IN ORDER FOR TEAMS TO STAY AFLOAT then this lockout will be resolved.

KOBE/LEBRON/GARNET/WADE.. ETC want an extra 3% for the PA then how about they give up 10% of their salaries collectively and it would surely add up to that 3% for the PA.

The 50/50 split being discussed may include a change in definition of what is included in revenue which would bring the players down to 47% of todays revenues.

tupark82

10-18-2011, 06:57 PM

jameshues

10-18-2011, 07:09 PM

So these are the NBA "fans" huh? No wonders there are more and higher dollar ripoffs in the BKB market with some of these replies.

Yes, I hate the dirtiest player in the NBA who happens to be a classless and inconsiderate @$$#@!e. Therefore, I ruin the game on basketball.

People are just... wow.

(If you want me to back up that KG is a "classless and inconsiderate @$$#@!e," let me know)

bettydaw1970

10-18-2011, 08:13 PM

i walked away from being a hardcore baseball fan once heavy steroid use was confirmed by so many of the greats. will nba be next?? :T

wow, i essentially did the same thing also...

we are the small minorities though....

mrveggieman

10-19-2011, 08:12 AM

Memphis Looks to Sue NBA over Lockout | MyFox Memphis | Fox 13 News (http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/memphis-looks-to-sue-nba-over-lockout-mfo-20111018)

every city should do this! this outta stop the nba from screwing everyone except for those that can afford to not work

That's a great idea. How can these owners sign leases and get tax breaks for a service not provided? If every nba town and their stadium workers bought a class action lawsuit against the nba a resolution would come real quick.

coolz

10-19-2011, 08:57 AM

Orangejello727

10-19-2011, 09:28 AM

Memphis Looks to Sue NBA over Lockout | MyFox Memphis | Fox 13 News (http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/memphis-looks-to-sue-nba-over-lockout-mfo-20111018)

every city should do this! this outta stop the nba from screwing everyone except for those that can afford to not work

Just get the govt to implement a "Work to rule" law. Then just like in hockey, send the matter to an arbitrator if nothing can be achieved by a deadline. Believe me that gets unions to shut up and work something out at that the table pretty quick.

pac213up

10-19-2011, 03:17 PM

I don't know why the owners can still get revenue from TV deals

I mean, why would TV network makes a deal that would still require them to pay even when there is no games????????

This is the main leverage for owners...they still have revenue coming in

They have the revenue coming in but it is a in the form of a loan if no games are played and they would have to pay it back with interest.