Suh - 2 games

[SacGWYNN19]

Not surprised at all to see the suspension. I guess I am a little surprised given the issues he has already had this season that it was only two games. Guarantee he learns nothing from this!

[saintsfan9]

Awesome, hope his appeal does nothing for him and he is out for the saints game at least. The guy is a dirty player and acts like a child.

[Oilngo]

Didnt Albert get 5 games when he stomped on somebody? I dont hink its enough time. Dude has a rep of being a dirty player and all of us has seen it before, its not like this is his first time. Numerous times has be thrown a cheap shot at someone and now he has done something really bad like this, and all he gets is two games? I hope he got a nice money fine put with this atleast... Doesnt help his coaches encourage his style of play.. They tell him to go out and do whatever he wants to. I mean whats next from the guy? It just keeps building up, he is lucky he did to an offensive lineman(if I remember right) and not Aaron Rodgers. I could only imagine what would happen if it was him.

[pmannings#1fan]

Awesome, hope his appeal does nothing for him and he is out for the saints game at least. The guy is a dirty player and acts like a child.

+1 should have been 4 games IMO:)!

[bdubs3316]

Didnt Albert get 5 games when he stomped on somebody? I dont hink its enough time. Dude has a rep of being a dirty player and all of us has seen it before, its not like this is his first time. Numerous times has be thrown a cheap shot at someone and now he has done something really bad like this, and all he gets is two games? I hope he got a nice money fine put with this atleast... Doesnt help his coaches encourage his style of play.. They tell him to go out and do whatever he wants to. I mean whats next from the guy? It just keeps building up, he is lucky he did to an offensive lineman(if I remember right) and not Aaron Rodgers. I could only imagine what would happen if it was him.

Yes...let's have a rep built by the media control a fine/suspension a player gets :)!

Suh's incident was nothing like Albert's...hence a lesser suspension.

[bigdaddyblue73]

Two games does seem kind of light doesn't it?

[hreed2]

Yes...let's have a rep built by the media control a fine/suspension a player gets :)!

Suh's incident was nothing like Albert's...hence a lesser suspension.

His rep is definitely not just build from the media, he's certainly earned it. In a pool of only current NFL players he was voted the dirtiest player in the league by far, plus just from watching him play in games he's a dirty player. Don't get me wrong, he's an absolute monster and would fit in PERFECTLY in the NFL before Goodel took over and I would LOVE to have him on my team (I'm a Bears fan btw) but he definitely does a lot of dirty things. With all that being said, I think 2 games sounds about right, the incident wasn't as awful as the media is making it out to be but just the fact that he's constantly getting fined and hasn't changed at all means that the only other option the NFL has is to suspend him. I remember watching Rodney Harrison do an interview one time about suspensions and fines and he said that a fine never phased him one bit but there was no worse punishment he could receive than a suspension. Millionaire pro football players have enough money where a fine is basically just a slap on the the wrist but a suspension really hurts their competitive spirit and that's the only thing that will really make them take notice. It's also very unfair to compare Suh's stomp to Haynesworth's stomp.

[FavresReturn]

I think a better penalty would be to have Suh lay down and have Dietrich-Smith stomp him

[ManInTheMirror]

Two games does seem kind of light doesn't it?
Yep, and as you will see in this thread and saw in the other (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football/223242-my-argument-suh.html) Suh thread the only people who think otherwise are Lions fans.

[dean3cobain55]

I think Suh kissing Rodger Goodells butt only helped his situation

[MI Rob]

Alot goes on in pileups and whatnot during a game. There shouldn't be a suspension at all, just fine him and move on. Football is a dirty/gritty game, not Suh's fault American is going soft.

[allday_vikes]

Wow, he lost 164k in 2 games!! That's how much I make in 10 years!!!:mad::mad:

[jimssouvenirs]

Wow, he lost 164k in 2 games!! That's how much I make in 10 years!!!:mad::mad:

You make $16k a year???

[freethrowtommy]

You make $16.4k a year???

Fixed that for you... :devil:

I would love for Suh to appeal and Goodell just say "It is now 4 games... want to keep talking smartass?"

But that is the Packer fan in me talking... :)!

[sportsamerica]

This stuff happens all of the time, I bet you could watch any game and see a stomp going on. But this was so bad, that the TV's were on the play is what is making the big deal of it.

[fullmetal]

You make $16k a year???

As a math teacher.

[onenineeightsix]

Alot goes on in pileups and whatnot during a game. There shouldn't be a suspension at all, just fine him and move on. Football is a dirty/gritty game, not Suh's fault American is going soft.

Says the guy with the Lions avatar and location set to Michigan :)!

[guru]

Didnt Albert get 5 games when he stomped on somebody? I dont hink its enough time. Dude has a rep of being a dirty player and all of us has seen it before, its not like this is his first time. Numerous times has be thrown a cheap shot at someone and now he has done something really bad like this, and all he gets is two games? I hope he got a nice money fine put with this atleast... Doesnt help his coaches encourage his style of play.. They tell him to go out and do whatever he wants to. I mean whats next from the guy? It just keeps building up, he is lucky he did to an offensive lineman(if I remember right) and not Aaron Rodgers. I could only imagine what would happen if it was him.

Albert Haynesworth stepped on a guys HEAD. not his arm.

Huge difference.

2 games is a fair sentence.

[ManInTheMirror]

Albert Haynesworth stepped on a guys HEAD. not his arm.

Huge difference.

2 games is a fair sentence.
I see what you are saying, but in reality did Suh have any idea if that was going to be the dude's head or arm when he made his stomp? No he did not, so regardless of the fact that it was his arm as far as Suh was concerned (or actually not concerned) it could have been his head.

[guru]

I see what you are saying, but in reality did Suh have any idea if that was going to be the dude's head or arm when he made his stomp? No he did not, so regardless of the fact that it was his arm as far as Suh was concerned (or actually not concerned) it could have been his head.

I would like to think if it were his head laying there it would not have been done.

But who knows. I can't argue that either way. I do think it is crazy to believe that he would have stomped on another mans head intentionally.

[ManInTheMirror]

I'm not saying intentionally. I'm just saying he stomped without a care of what he was stomping on. Or that is how it appears, like you said it's hard to say as we aren't him. But really a humans arm is very close to their head so it's not like he took the time to look and verify it was his arm and not his head. Even then that thought process would be messed up anyhow "oh it's just his arm I can stomp away".

[pmannings#1fan]

Albert Haynesworth stepped on a guys HEAD. not his arm.

Huge difference.

2 games is a fair sentence.

For banging his head into the turf & doing a flagrant STOMP???

[pmannings#1fan]

Proof Suh's stomp was intentional - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZMdfrc-6U8)

[asujbl]

Feel free to trade me all your Suh's

[hreed2]

I see what you are saying, but in reality did Suh have any idea if that was going to be the dude's head or arm when he made his stomp? No he did not, so regardless of the fact that it was his arm as far as Suh was concerned (or actually not concerned) it could have been his head.

He also could've hidden a small knife in his uniform and cut the guy at one point but he didn't. I know that's an exageration but I'm just saying that you can't go by what somebody could've done but only by what they actually did do. I'm a Bears fan and I think the 2 game suspension is about right. You have to keep in mind that they considered the fact that he missed over half of the Packers game already so it was really like a 2.5 game suspension and this is his first suspension. Now if he does something this stupid again any time soon then I would say anything under a 4 game suspension would be a slap on the wrist.

[jbellis74]

I dont think its enough. Bash me all you want but he intentionally attempted to seriously injure another player.

No place for that in the NFL....not now...Maybe 40-50 years ago but not now

[Grid]

I dont think its enough. Bash me all you want but he intentionally attempted to seriously injure another player.

No place for that in the NFL....not now...Maybe 40-50 years ago but not now


+1 Watching the MNF game last night and Gruden put it best when talking about another playing celebrating too much after a routine play. He said "where is your respect of the game? Where is your respect of a fellow NFL player?"

You could apply that statement to Suh. 2 games is right since the player did not get hurt. But once more 6 games minimum.

[FavresReturn]

Why can't everyone in the NFL be like Marvin Harrison and say and do nothing every single play. There is a ten second celebration for every sack. Yes you made a great play (good job) so get back in the huddle and do it again!!

Oh and Suh's punishment wasn't enough

[sooslow]

God, Lion's fans are retarded. (It's a media conspiracy!!!)

2 game suspension is fine. I really love that the Detroit Lions were also fined $50k for this as well. Get your boy under control.

[bdubs3316]

For banging his head into the turf & doing a flagrant STOMP???

Please drop this "banging his head against the turf" garbage. He held EDS's head down....didn't bang/slam/pound it

[fullmetal]

If he were my employee I would have fired him. He is not irreplaceable. No amount of revenue is worth having my company's image tarnished by poor character. This isn't an instance of thoughtless error, this is simply revealing poor character.

[Oilngo]

Ya but alot of what if, what if. What if it was his face he hit? I know what Albert did was worse, but it was the same action. Suh just got lucky he didn't hurt the guy. And im sorry but Suh is a dirty player. Let's face it, its not 40 years ago. We are in modern football and what he does isn't supposed to be happening. He is an amazing player, but the dude has highlight videos a pure cheap shots.

[bdubs3316]

God, Lion's fans are retarded. (It's a media conspiracy!!!)

2 game suspension is fine. I really love that the Detroit Lions were also fined $50k for this as well. Get your boy under control.

And those with Richard Simmons as their avatar are awesome :)!

(Sarcasm)

[ronlabo]

I think Suh kissing Rodger Goodells butt only helped his situation

What's up Big John:)

[fullmetal]

And those with Richard Simmons as their avatar are awesome :)!

(Sarcasm)

Don't bash my fellow Seminole. He maintains record earnings for a certain oil company.

[sooslow]

And those with Richard Simmons as their avatar are awesome :)!

(Sarcasm)

Rich is the man!!

[bdubs3316]

Don't bash my fellow Seminole. He maintains record earnings for a certain oil company.

Oh well....too late

[bdubs3316]

Rich is the man!!

Glad u think so

[golferphil]

Fixed that for you... :devil:

I would love for Suh to appeal and Goodell just say "It is now 4 games... want to keep talking smartass?"

But that is the Packer fan in me talking... :)!

Here's how I see the appeal going (at least in my head)

Roger Goodell: You're not fooling anyone, Suh. The next screw that falls out will be you.
Ndamukong Suh: Eat my shorts.
Roger Goodell: What was that?
Ndamukong Suh: Eat... My... Shorts.
Roger Goodell: You just bought yourself another Sunday.
Ndamukong Suh: Ooh, I'm crushed.
Roger Goodell: You just bought one more.
Ndamukong Suh: Well I'm free the Sunday after that. Beyond that, I'm going to have to check my calendar.
Roger Goodell: Good, cause it's going to be filled. We'll keep going. You want another one? Just say the word say it. Instead of going to prison you'll come here. Are you through?
Ndamukong Suh: No.
Roger Goodell: I'm doing society a favor.
Ndamukong Suh: So?
Roger Goodell: That's another one right now! I've got you for the rest of your natural born life if you don't watch your step. You want another one?
Ndamukong Suh: Yes.
Roger Goodell: You got it! You got another one right there! That's another one pal!
Lion Cheerleader: Cut it out!
Roger Goodell: You through?
Ndamukong Suh: Not even close bud!
Roger Goodell: Good! You got one more right there!
Ndamukong Suh: You really think I give a sh!t?
Roger Goodell: Another! You through?
Ndamukong Suh: How many is that?
Matthew Stafford: That's seven including when we first came in and you asked Mr. Goodell whether Barry Manilow knew that he raided his closet.
Roger Goodell: Now it's eight. You stay out of this.
Matthew Stafford: Excuse me sir, it's seven.

[jbellis74]

Here's how I see the appeal going (at least in my head)

Roger Goodell: You're not fooling anyone, Suh. The next screw that falls out will be you.
Ndamukong Suh: Eat my shorts.
Roger Goodell: What was that?
Ndamukong Suh: Eat... My... Shorts.
Roger Goodell: You just bought yourself another Sunday.
Ndamukong Suh: Ooh, I'm crushed.
Roger Goodell: You just bought one more.
Ndamukong Suh: Well I'm free the Sunday after that. Beyond that, I'm going to have to check my calendar.
Roger Goodell: Good, cause it's going to be filled. We'll keep going. You want another one? Just say the word say it. Instead of going to prison you'll come here. Are you through?
Ndamukong Suh: No.
Roger Goodell: I'm doing society a favor.
Ndamukong Suh: So?
Roger Goodell: That's another one right now! I've got you for the rest of your natural born life if you don't watch your step. You want another one?
Ndamukong Suh: Yes.
Roger Goodell: You got it! You got another one right there! That's another one pal!
Lion Cheerleader: Cut it out!
Roger Goodell: You through?
Ndamukong Suh: Not even close bud!
Roger Goodell: Good! You got one more right there!
Ndamukong Suh: You really think I give a sh!t?
Roger Goodell: Another! You through?
Ndamukong Suh: How many is that?
Matthew Stafford: That's seven including when we first came in and you asked Mr. Goodell whether Barry Manilow knew that he raided his closet.
Roger Goodell: Now it's eight. You stay out of this.
Matthew Stafford: Excuse me sir, it's seven.

Now that made me smile

[ronlabo]

Why can't everyone in the NFL be like Marvin Harrison and say and do nothing every single play. There is a ten second celebration for every sack. Yes you made a great play (good job) so get back in the huddle and do it again!!

Oh and Suh's punishment wasn't enough

I whole heartedly agree with the above statement, It's like the D-Back who defends a pass and then gives the throat slash sign, pounds on his chest like he's King Kong, jumps up & down for 3 minutes and shakes his head at the receiver as if saying your not gonna catch a pass on me, the very next play the d!pshit gets beat for a 40 yard touchdown pass. Play the game like you've been there before azz-nuggets, you defend a pass great get back in the huddle and do it again, you get a sack awesome get ready to play the next down all hail Stevie "I'm a Doucheb@g" Johnson as a perfect example of the d!ks playing the game today:mad:

[sooslow]

Glad u think so

I heard he was walking through an airport once and someone called him a F*G.
He beat them senseless.

But I think we're getting off topic here. The media and Goodell are clearly in some sort of conspiracy to make Suh look bad. Stomping on people, ripping off their helmets, roughing the passers, lying about it claiming he was getting his footing......he's a victim man. I'm telling you.

[asujbl]

Why can't everyone in the NFL be like Marvin Harrison and say and do nothing every single play. There is a ten second celebration for every sack. Yes you made a great play (good job) so get back in the huddle and do it again!!

Oh and Suh's punishment wasn't enough

Gentleman on the field - gun toting crazy off the field - sounds like a good trade off.

[purejd86p]

Please drop this "banging his head against the turf" garbage. He held EDS's head down....didn't bang/slam/pound it

Did you watch the play?? Your loyalty to the Lions is clouding your judgement.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[bdubs3316]

I heard he was walking through an airport once and someone called him a F*G.
He beat them senseless.

But I think we're getting off topic here. The media and Goodell are clearly in some sort of conspiracy to make Suh look bad. Stomping on people, ripping off their helmets, roughing the passers, lying about it claiming he was getting his footing......he's a victim man. I'm telling you.

Could u be any more ridiculous? I don't think so

[fullmetal]

Could u be any more ridiculous? I don't think so

I met him in the Dallas airport. He was as flamboyant as he is on TV, though I didn't insult him and risk a fight.

[bdubs3316]

I met him in the Dallas airport. He was as flamboyant as he is on TV, though I didn't insult him and risk a fight.

Congrats....I guess

[bdubs3316]

Did you watch the play?? Your loyalty to the Lions is clouding your judgement.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

My being a lions fan has nothing to do with anything. Both are mutually exclusive. I just know the difference between slamming and not slamming.

[allday_vikes]

You make $16k a year???

Yes, and I used 10k for cardboards while living in one!

[pmannings#1fan]

Please drop this "banging his head against the turf" garbage. He held EDS's head down....didn't bang/slam/pound it

You're right the guy was obviously headbanging to the music in his head :rolleyes:

[bdubs3316]

You're right the guy was obviously headbanging to the music in his head :rolleyes:

Suh was holding his head down and the guy was trying to lift his head. Suh didn't let him up....thats what u see....not slamming....learn the difference

[sooslow]

My being a lions fan has nothing to do with anything..
Yes it does.
I just know the difference between slamming and not slamming

Apparently you don't.

[SacGWYNN19]

I would be interested to hear what one of the classiest players in the history of the Lions organization(and the game for that matter) would have to say about Suh and his antics. Hopefully Barry will login soon and provide his thoughts.

[pmannings#1fan]

Suh was hold his head down and the guy was trying to lift his head. Suh didn't let him up....thats what u see....not slamming....learn the difference

WTFE man but why not let up after the play is over? You can defend him til you're blue in the face I could care less. If Suh can't learn restraint then he'll face more suspensions in the future.

[bdubs3316]

Yes it does.

Ys that?

Apparently you don't.

Apparently u aren't smart enough to know that I do

[bdubs3316]

WTFE man but why not let up after the play is over? You can defend him til you're blue in the face I could care less. If Suh can't learn restraint then he'll face more suspensions in the future.

Same could be said for EDS....the play was over and he drove Suh backwards....he was the only one still blocking

[sooslow]

ys that?


because it's not just coincidence the only people defending him are all lion's fans.

[bdubs3316]

because it's not just coincidence the only people defending him are all lion's fans.

If u could read and comprehend....I'm not defending his actions....I'm clarifying the head "slamming" isn't what its being made out to be. He was holding the guys head down....not slamming it

[pmannings#1fan]

Same could be said for EDS....the play was over and he drove Suh backwards....he was the only one still blocking

I just watched the video again & maybe you're right Suh was using the opposing players head to help get up (pushing head down twice) & then stomps the arm. The one Packers WAS pushing Suh to get him of the player which pissed Suh off & provoking the stomp.

[sooslow]

Slam:to dash, strike, knock, thrust, throw, slap down, etc., with violent and noisy impact

Lions fans coincidentally are the only ones that miss the fact that Suh repeatedly shoves,slams, pushes, forces, (whatever damn word you want to insert) into the ground multiple times.

[bdubs3316]

Slam:to dash, strike, knock, thrust, throw, slap down, etc., with violent and noisy impact

Lions fans coincidentally are the only ones that miss the fact that Suh repeatedly shoves,slams, pushes, forces, (whatever damn word you want to insert) into the ground multiple times.

Did u just use a thesaurus?

[bdubs3316]

I just watched the video again & maybe you're right Suh was using the opposing players head to help get up (pushing head down twice) & then stomps the arm. The one Packers WAS pushing Suh to get him of the player which pissed Suh off & provoking the stomp.

I most certainly could be wrong....but that's what I see as a football fan...taking team out of it

[pmannings#1fan]

Did u just use a thesaurus?

LMAO:D:D:D

[BroncosFAN#1]

Albert Haynesworth stepped on a guys HEAD. not his arm.

Huge difference.

2 games is a fair sentence.


Im glad somebody else mentioned this. I think the suspension is fair. You all act like he has been horrible his whole career but the hit on Cutler was a crap call and the Dalton thing was him playing through the whistle.

[bdubs3316]

Im glad somebody else mentioned this. I think the suspension is fair. You all act like he has been horrible his whole career but the hit on Cutler was a crap call and the Dalton thing was him playing through the whistle.

Amend brutha....keep on preaching lol

[sooslow]

Did u just use a thesaurus?

I don't believe in dinosaurs bro.

[pmannings#1fan]

Im glad somebody else mentioned this. I think the suspension is fair. You all act like he has been horrible his whole career but the hit on Cutler was a crap call and the Dalton thing was him playing through the whistle.

Well there are BS calls & then there are intentional/flagrant fouls. What category do you place the stomp in?

[sooslow]

Well there are BS calls & then there are intentional/flagrant fouls. What category do you place the stomp in?

A BS call. CLEARLY, he was trying to regain his footing while being pushed.

[pmannings#1fan]

A BS call. CLEARLY, he was trying to regain his footing while being pushed.

Call it as you will but I & millions saw the epic stomp. Do you really need footing after the play ends?

[bdubs3316]

Well there are BS calls & then there are intentional/flagrant fouls. What category do you place the stomp in?

Intentional/flagrant.....but I could care less about him holding the guys head down. If that's all he did....this thread/conversation would never be happening

[bdubs3316]

Call it as you will but I & millions saw the epic stomp. Do you really need footing after the play ends?

He was being sarcastic

[pmannings#1fan]

He was being sarcastic

Oh hell I can't read that on the internet without the eyerolls lol. My bad

[sooslow]

Call it as you will but I & millions saw the epic stomp. Do you really need footing after the play ends?
Sarcasm. I am not blind on this subject. (I'm not a Lion's fan)
. If that's all he did....this thread/conversation would never be happening
True.
But don't sugarcoat it and act like pushing his head into the dirt repeatedly wasn't dirty. Don't call it less than it is. He wasn't "holding" his head into the turf. I don't think 4-5 games would have been fair. Two is perfect. I love the fact your team was fined too, as I said earlier. Now they'll work on getting him in check. (lol, prolly not)

It's going to be funny though if these next two games are close and Lions end up losing on defense and completely miss the playoffs. His moronic actions hurt the organization much more than he could imagine.

[jmaxiu0204]

Suh is a prick. You guys should totally cut him so the Colts can sign him.

[bdubs3316]

Sarcasm. I am not blind on this subject. (I'm not a Lion's fan)

True.
But don't sugarcoat it and act like pushing his head into the dirt repeatedly wasn't dirty. Don't call it less than it is. He wasn't "holding" his head into the turf. I don't think 4-5 games would have been fair. Two is perfect. I love the fact your team was fined too, as I said earlier. Now they'll work on getting him in check. (lol, prolly not)

It's going to be funny though if these next two games are close and Lions end up losing on defense and completely miss the playoffs. His moronic actions hurt the organization much more than he could imagine.

Do u know why the team was fined?

I can guarantee I won't be laughing if we lose the next 2 games. Far worse things happen than the beginning of the incident

[freethrowtommy]

Here's how I see the appeal going (at least in my head)

Roger Goodell: You're not fooling anyone, Suh. The next screw that falls out will be you.
Ndamukong Suh: Eat my shorts.
Roger Goodell: What was that?
Ndamukong Suh: Eat... My... Shorts.
Roger Goodell: You just bought yourself another Sunday.
Ndamukong Suh: Ooh, I'm crushed.
Roger Goodell: You just bought one more.
Ndamukong Suh: Well I'm free the Sunday after that. Beyond that, I'm going to have to check my calendar.
Roger Goodell: Good, cause it's going to be filled. We'll keep going. You want another one? Just say the word say it. Instead of going to prison you'll come here. Are you through?
Ndamukong Suh: No.
Roger Goodell: I'm doing society a favor.
Ndamukong Suh: So?
Roger Goodell: That's another one right now! I've got you for the rest of your natural born life if you don't watch your step. You want another one?
Ndamukong Suh: Yes.
Roger Goodell: You got it! You got another one right there! That's another one pal!
Lion Cheerleader: Cut it out!
Roger Goodell: You through?
Ndamukong Suh: Not even close bud!
Roger Goodell: Good! You got one more right there!
Ndamukong Suh: You really think I give a sh!t?
Roger Goodell: Another! You through?
Ndamukong Suh: How many is that?
Matthew Stafford: That's seven including when we first came in and you asked Mr. Goodell whether Barry Manilow knew that he raided his closet.
Roger Goodell: Now it's eight. You stay out of this.
Matthew Stafford: Excuse me sir, it's seven.

I was straight faced until the last sentence with Stafford... then I cracked.

Well done, sir!

[cassius423]

Suh was holding his head down and the guy was trying to lift his head. Suh didn't let him up....thats what u see....not slamming....learn the difference

This seriously cracked me up!!! The guy was trying to lift his head up!! This might be true but every time he tried Suh SLAMMED it back to the ground. Com' on man!! I get your a lions fan but let's be realistic here. Just admit your boy was in the wrong and is probably the dirtiest player in the nfl right now.

[ManInTheMirror]

Amend brutha....keep on preaching lol
He is a Nebraska fan so don't go thinking you have someone on your side who isn't biased somewhat (just like you, MI Rob, select other Lions fans...).

[bdubs3316]

This seriously cracked me up!!! The guy was trying to lift his head up!! This might be true but every time he tried Suh SLAMMED it back to the ground. Com' on man!! I get your a lions fan but let's be realistic here. Just admit your boy was in the wrong and is probably the dirtiest player in the nfl right now.

Wake up and be realistic

[bdubs3316]

He is a Nebraska fan so don't go thinking you have someone on your side who isn't biased somewhat (just like you, MI Rob, select other Lions fans...).

MITM...I can separate being a lions fan.

[grandmasterPRA]

I guess I can't say I'm upset with him being suspended two games, it was bound to come to a head. However, Goodell needs to show a little bit more consistency. People have done much worse and didn't miss any time at all. Another example this past Sunday. Player gets caught kicking another player in the groin, and no suspension. Suh got what he deserved but I would like to see other people get held responsible for playing the game dirty also. It should be no exception. In terms of this affect on the Lions? I don't think it is going to be that hard on them. I mean I don't expect them to beat the Saints at New Orleans anyways, and I think they can beat Minnesota without Suh. So really the impact isn't going to be that huge

[FavresReturn]

I guess I can't say I'm upset with him being suspended two games, it was bound to come to a head. However, Goodell needs to show a little bit more consistency. People have done much worse and didn't miss any time at all. Another example this past Sunday. Player gets caught kicking another player in the groin, and no suspension. Suh got what he deserved but I would like to see other people get held responsible for playing the game dirty also. It should be no exception. In terms of this affect on the Lions? I don't think it is going to be that hard on them. I mean I don't expect them to beat the Saints at New Orleans anyways, and I think they can beat Minnesota without Suh. So really the impact isn't going to be that huge

Coming from the guy who thinks Rodgers is overrated :rolleyes:

[grandmasterPRA]

Coming from the guy who thinks Rodgers is overrated :rolleyes:

Haha I'm never going to live that one down....overrated isn't such a bad thing btw...You have to be really good for people to rate you highly, I just think he is rated too highly. He is the second best QB in the league.

[freethrowtommy]

Haha I'm never going to live that one down....overrated isn't such a bad thing btw...You have to be really good for people to rate you highly, I just think he is rated too highly. He is the second best QB in the league.

I must have missed who you said was best? Brady?

[cassius423]

Wake up and be realistic
Look at my post buddy, that's what I just said to you. Either this guy is a lil slow or he's so in love with Donkey Kong he was too busy staring at his ass to notice him pile driving dude's head into the turf and stomping him out.:D I mean do you honestly think Suh did nothing wrong and should not be suspended? Stop crushing on Suh and get real!!!!

[lambeauleap87]

I think two games was fair...what he did was inexcusable, especially on National TV. It sends a lesson to him, especially being a repeat offender, that Suh has to control himself. Hate to see what he gets next time he screws up, because you know he's gonna do it again...

[bdubs3316]

Look at my post buddy, that's what I just said to you. Either this guy is a lil slow or he's so in love with Donkey Kong he was too busy staring at his ass to notice him pile driving dude's head into the turf and stomping him out.:D I mean do you honestly think Suh did nothing wrong and should not be suspended? Stop crushing on Suh and get real!!!!

Hey a$$clown.....did I ever say Suh shouldn't be suspended? Put your f'ing glasses on or learn how to read. He deserves to be suspended.....however....this BS about him SLAMMING EDS's head into the turf is garbage.

Take your Suh-Hating glasses off and watch the video again. Any normal person can see there is NO slamming of a head against the turf...he is holding his head to the turf while he is getting up. Which is a HUGE difference than your "Pile driving" comment.

Don't portray your tendencies of staring at a man's a$$ in tight clothing on me or anyone else....that is your fetish.

Do you even know what pile driving is? It is FAR from what is on that video....stop making STUPID comments and the board will be a better place.

I guess Ron White was right...."You can't fix STUPID"

[98whitesteed]

Obviously by appealing the suspension he is not remorseful for what he did and it proves his apology was not genuine. If a player is truly sorry for his actions, he accepts the suspension and moves on to prevent things like it from happening again.

Suh will be back in the news before the year is up. Thats my bet at least.

[jbellis74]

Yeah really......how do you appeal something so blantant

[carlo16]

Here's how I see the appeal going (at least in my head)

Roger Goodell: You're not fooling anyone, Suh. The next screw that falls out will be you.
Ndamukong Suh: Eat my shorts.
Roger Goodell: What was that?
Ndamukong Suh: Eat... My... Shorts.
Roger Goodell: You just bought yourself another Sunday.
Ndamukong Suh: Ooh, I'm crushed.
Roger Goodell: You just bought one more.
Ndamukong Suh: Well I'm free the Sunday after that. Beyond that, I'm going to have to check my calendar.
Roger Goodell: Good, cause it's going to be filled. We'll keep going. You want another one? Just say the word say it. Instead of going to prison you'll come here. Are you through?
Ndamukong Suh: No.
Roger Goodell: I'm doing society a favor.
Ndamukong Suh: So?
Roger Goodell: That's another one right now! I've got you for the rest of your natural born life if you don't watch your step. You want another one?
Ndamukong Suh: Yes.
Roger Goodell: You got it! You got another one right there! That's another one pal!
Lion Cheerleader: Cut it out!
Roger Goodell: You through?
Ndamukong Suh: Not even close bud!
Roger Goodell: Good! You got one more right there!
Ndamukong Suh: You really think I give a sh!t?
Roger Goodell: Another! You through?
Ndamukong Suh: How many is that?
Matthew Stafford: That's seven including when we first came in and you asked Mr. Goodell whether Barry Manilow knew that he raided his closet.
Roger Goodell: Now it's eight. You stay out of this.
Matthew Stafford: Excuse me sir, it's seven.

You mess with the bull, you'll get the horns.

[freethrowtommy]

Obviously by appealing the suspension he is not remorseful for what he did and it proves his apology was not genuine. If a player is truly sorry for his actions, he accepts the suspension and moves on to prevent things like it from happening again.

Suh will be back in the news before the year is up. Thats my bet at least.

I have a feeling the appeal has more to do with the NFLPA than it does with Suh. They are going to try to make sure he gets a fair shake.... even if everyone already feels he did fine.

[bdubs3316]

I have a feeling the appeal has more to do with the NFLPA than it does with Suh. They are going to try to make sure he gets a fair shake.... even if everyone already feels he did fine.

Agree....everyone appeals....no matter what

[sooslow]

Hey a$$clown.....did I ever say Suh shouldn't be suspended? Put your f'ing glasses on or learn how to read. He deserves to be suspended.....however....this BS about him SLAMMING EDS's head into the turf is garbage.

Take your Suh-Hating glasses off and watch the video again. Any normal person can see there is NO slamming of a head against the turf...he is holding his head to the turf while he is getting up. Which is a HUGE difference than your "Pile driving" comment.

Don't portray your tendencies of staring at a man's a$$ in tight clothing on me or anyone else....that is your fetish.

Do you even know what pile driving is? It is FAR from what is on that video....stop making STUPID comments and the board will be a better place.

I guess Ron White was right...."You can't fix STUPID"

LOL! You're so mad! You can debate the word all you want. He is shoving his head into the turf, repeatedly. Someone post the damn .gif

Obviously by appealing the suspension he is not remorseful for what he did and it proves his apology was not genuine. If a player is truly sorry for his actions, he accepts the suspension and moves on to prevent things like it from happening again.

Suh will be back in the news before the year is up. Thats my bet at least.
I hate the guy, but I disagree. I doubt he's remorseful, but you can't tell that by appealing a suspension. I think any NFL player would want to try do whatever it takes to be back on the field to help his team.

[bdubs3316]

LOL! You're so mad! You can debate the word all you want. He is shoving his head into the turf, repeatedly. Someone post the damn .gif


I hate the guy, but I disagree. I doubt he's remorseful, but you can't tell that by appealing a suspension. I think any NFL player would want to try do whatever it takes to be back on the field to help his team.


Lol....ur a tool. Closed minded and delusional.

It's nice to know u hate a guy u don't even know. :)!

[cassius423]

Hey a$$clown.....did I ever say Suh shouldn't be suspended? Put your f'ing glasses on or learn how to read. He deserves to be suspended.....however....this BS about him SLAMMING EDS's head into the turf is garbage.

Take your Suh-Hating glasses off and watch the video again. Any normal person can see there is NO slamming of a head against the turf...he is holding his head to the turf while he is getting up. Which is a HUGE difference than your "Pile driving" comment.

Don't portray your tendencies of staring at a man's a$$ in tight clothing on me or anyone else....that is your fetish.

Do you even know what pile driving is? It is FAR from what is on that video....stop making STUPID comments and the board will be a better place.

I guess Ron White was right...."You can't fix STUPID"Well buddy I guess your the only normal one here cuz your about the only one who doesn't think he slammed dude's head in the turf.:rolleyes: Now quit dreaming about having a big orgy with Donkey Kong and Megatron and admit what your lover did!! Actually I don't hate Suh at all, I was a fan until he started acting like a straight thug. U should be proud your boyfriend is the dirtiest player in the nfl, maybe that turns you on during your freaky fantasies about him!! Is this you in this video? Ndamukong Suh Product Pitch (FUNNY) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKBnkWDVaRo&feature=player_embedded)

[bdubs3316]

Well buddy I guess your the only normal one here cuz your about the only one who doesn't think he slammed dude's head in the turf.:rolleyes: Now quit dreaming about having a big orgy with Donkey Kong and Megatron and admit what your lover did!! Actually I don't hate Suh at all, I was a fan until he started acting like a straight thug. U should be proud your boyfriend is the dirtiest player in the nfl, maybe that turns you on during your freaky fantasies about him!! Is this you in this video? Ndamukong Suh Product Pitch (FUNNY) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKBnkWDVaRo&feature=player_embedded)

There u go again....taking ur gay tendencies and making it seem like they are mine. Just come out of the closet and tell ur parents already....if they really love you, they will still love you.

Actually, read earlier and someone agreed with me after he watched the video again without a preconceived notion of what suh did.

Its nice to know all you do is bring up that I'm gay with suh and you can't talk logically :)!

[sooslow]

Lol....ur a tool. Closed minded and delusional.

It's nice to know u hate a guy u don't even know. :)!
Do you know Hitler? Do you hate him?

/discussion

Its nice to know all you do is bring up that I'm gay with suh and you can't talk logically :)!
Kind of like when you respond to my argument with a bash on my avatar?
http://orangejuiceblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pot-kettle-black-300x198.jpg

[cassius423]

There u go again....taking ur gay tendencies and making it seem like they are mine. Just come out of the closet and tell ur parents already....if they really love you, they will still love you.

Actually, read earlier and someone agreed with me after he watched the video again without a preconceived notion of what suh did.

Its nice to know all you do is bring up that I'm gay with suh and you can't talk logically :)!

Thank u sooooo much for the advice baby but I came out of the closet years ago and yes thank god my parents do still love me as does my wife. I'm so thankful they took it so well.:rolleyes: Here's some logic for ya, Suh is a thug, Suh slammed dude's head into the ground then stomped on him. I think what this really boils down to is the lions have been the worst team in the league for so long now that u got your hopes up so much this year and now your pissed because they're just gonna let u down again. Now get off your knees and see if you can comprehend that, ok?

[sooslow]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/802902/455193472.gif

I'll just leave this here and get back to work....

[bdubs3316]

Thank u sooooo much for the advice baby but I came out of the closet years ago and yes thank god my parents do still love me as does my wife. I'm so thankful they took it so well.:rolleyes: Here's some logic for ya, Suh is a thug, Suh slammed dude's head into the ground then stomped on him. I think what this really boils down to is the lions have been the worst team in the league for so long now that u got your hopes up so much this year and now your pissed because they're just gonna let u down again. Now get off your knees and see if you can comprehend that, ok?

wow...U R AWESOME! ur probably a 5' 5" 125lb prick who likes to talk big behind a computer.

get it through ur simple little brain...suh DID NOT SLAM EDS's head into the turf. He held him down by his head. there is a huge difference. if you didnt know that...then there is just no talking to you, as you cant understand a simple concept. therefore you wouldnt be able to have a simple conversation.

Yes...the Lions were a bad team thanks to their GM (who they have gotten rid of)...and now they are building a respectable team. I dont get pissed when they lose...it's FOOTBALL...there are far worse things going on in the world than get pissed over a FOOTBALL game. I didnt expect them to make the playoffs this year...so I could care less if they make it.

if you want to be an a$$...feel free. i'll keep this as a conversation/debate from here on and will only talk about the play...not bring in your sexual preference or any derogatory terms. if you cant do that...sobeit...it'll just show the type of person you are.

[bdubs3316]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/802902/455193472.gif

I'll just leave this here and get back to work....

yep....looks like he's holding his head to the turf and EDS is trying to lift his head....Suh is not SLAMMING his head into the turf. thanks for proving my point :)!

[bdubs3316]

Do you know Hitler? Do you hate him?

/discussion

Kind of like when you respond to my argument with a bash on my avatar?
http://orangejuiceblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pot-kettle-black-300x198.jpg

no i dont know hitler...and no i dont hate him. i think what he did was despicable...but i dont hate him.

sorry i made a joke about your avatar...i guess that is the same as distinctly calling u gay. (not that there is anything wrong with being gay by the way)

[MI Rob]

Do you know Hitler? Do you hate him?

/discussion

Kind of like when you respond to my argument with a bash on my avatar?
http://orangejuiceblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pot-kettle-black-300x198.jpg

You don't know Hitler either, so you can't really hate him.

We need more Hitler threads around here!

[cassius423]

wow...U R AWESOME! ur probably a 5' 5" 125lb prick who likes to talk big behind a computer.

get it through ur simple little brain...suh DID NOT SLAM EDS's head into the turf. He held him down by his head. there is a huge difference. if you didnt know that...then there is just no talking to you, as you cant understand a simple concept. therefore you wouldnt be able to have a simple conversation.

Yes...the Lions were a bad team thanks to their GM (who they have gotten rid of)...and now they are building a respectable team. I dont get pissed when they lose...it's FOOTBALL...there are far worse things going on in the world than get pissed over a FOOTBALL game. I didnt expect them to make the playoffs this year...so I could care less if they make it.

if you want to be an a$$...feel free. i'll keep this as a conversation/debate from here on and will only talk about the play...not bring in your sexual preference or any derogatory terms. if you cant do that...sobeit...it'll just show the type of person you are.

My simple little brain huh? This is too funny!! You not admitting what Suh did when the vid is there for the whole world to see shows what kind of person you are, ignorant!! I don't ever act tough behind the computer, your actually the first person I've even had a conflict with so what does that say about you?? But I tell u what u keep on believing what u want to and if your ever in Tennessee lmk and I'd be more than happy to show you a perfect example of what pile driving is. lol. :flex:

[bdubs3316]

My simple little brain huh? This is too funny!! You not admitting what Suh did when the vid is there for the whole world to see shows what kind of person you are, ignorant!! I don't ever act tough behind the computer, your actually the first person I've even had a conflict with so what does that say about you?? But I tell u what u keep on believing what u want to and if your ever in Tennessee lmk and I'd be more than happy to show you a perfect example of what pile driving is. lol. :flex:

so, because i dont believe what you do...i'm ignorant? :)!

thanks for the invite...but i'm not sure i want to play your kind of pile driving games :eek:

i'm not sure...y dont you tell me what it says about me that i'm the first person you've had a "conflict" with....i'm dying to hear what it means.

you are entitled to your opinion...and i'm entitled to my opinion...i dont see what you see in the video and apparently you dont see what i see. it's as simple as that.

[sooslow]

You don't know Hitler either, so you can't really hate him.

We need more Hitler threads around here!
Disagree.
I hate his actions and choices in his life.
I am a firm believer that what defines a person are the actions and choices
That they have made during their lifetime.
Since I'm aware of his life choices and actions, I do in fact know him and hate him.

/logic.

[bdubs3316]

Disagree.
I hate his actions and choices in his life.
I am a firm believer that what defines a person are the actions and choices
That they have made during their lifetime.
Since I'm aware of his life choices and actions, I do in fact know him and hate him.

/logic.

no...u dont know him...u know of him. knowing him would mean you actually met him and conversed.

[sooslow]

no...u dont know him...u know of him. knowing him would mean you actually met him and conversed.

Oh, is that what knowing means? Lol. I just posted my beliefs of what knowing is followed by my logic of how I came to that conclusion. But ok, glad I have you on here to let me know.

[bdubs3316]

Oh, is that what knowing means? Lol. I just posted my beliefs of what knowing is followed by my logic of how I came to that conclusion. But ok, glad I have you on here to let me know.

no problem....just letting you know your "logic" is flawed

[sooslow]

no problem....just letting you know your "logic" is flawed

Well I appreciate you pointing it out and I'll return the favor.
Pushing someones head into the ground repeatedly as they try to lift their head up would be considered by many to be slamming.

Just letting you know your logic is flawed.

[bdubs3316]

Well I appreciate you pointing it out and I'll return the favor.
Pushing someones head into the ground repeatedly as they try to lift their head up would be considered by many to be slamming.

Just letting you know your logic is flawed.

so...using your logic....

if Suh was sitting on EDS and not letting EDS get up...while EDS was trying to get up...Suh would be "SLAMMING" EDS into the ground?

sorry...not seeing the logic

holding someone down or a body part down is simply that...holding it down. it isn't SLAMMING!

[sooslow]

This guy just doesn't get it. Haha. You can clearly see his head moving up and down. I promise its not because hes nodding his head to his iPod music. Suh is shoving it into the ground. But hey, you're not going to agree and youre "coincidentally" a lions fan yet you claim you're not biased. Go figure.

[bdubs3316]

This guy just doesn't get it. Haha. You can clearly see his head moving up and down. I promise its not because hes nodding his head to his iPod music. Suh is shoving it into the ground. But hey, you're not going to agree and youre "coincidentally" a lions fan yet you claim you're not biased. Go figure.

im also a Giants fan...does that get me any credibility in your book? Or is it that because I like a certain team, I cant see things objectively?

you also stated you HATE Suh...so does that make u not biased? Nice double standard....Go Figure

[cassius423]

Ok bdubs for just a moment let's put all the negative comments aside. Let's say you're right about him just holding evan's head to the ground. So what exactly does he do when evan tries to pick his head up?

[bdubs3316]

Ok bdubs for just a moment let's put all the negative comments aside. Let's say you're right about him just holding evan's head to the ground. So what exactly does he do when evan tries to pick his head up?

he held/pushed it back down....a "SLAM" requires more than an inch of space to create the force needed to require it to be called a "SLAM"

i understand what you are getting at...but it's the verbiage you are using. You can say he pushed his head down against the turf...but I can't buy "SLAM".

[ManInTheMirror]

he held/pushed it back down....a "SLAM" requires more than an inch of space to create the force needed to require it to be called a "SLAM"

i understand what you are getting at...but it's the verbiage you are using. You can say he pushed his head down against the turf...but I can't buy "SLAM".
omfg so you do realize he is doing something...it's just a matter of what word we use to describe his action. Why are you so upset that some of us see it as a "slam" and some of us see it as a "hold" or a "push" or whatever we see it as? Point is it happened!

[bdubs3316]

omfg so you do realize he is doing something...it's just a matter of what word we use to describe his action. Why are you so upset that some of us see it as a "slam" and some of us see it as a "hold" or a "push" or whatever we see it as? Point is it happened!

no one said it didnt happen. but there is a LARGE leap to say he SLAMMED it to the turf.

I have said he held his head down...and I was told i was an idiot (for lack of better word) because he "clearly" slammed it.

[ManInTheMirror]

I have said he held his head down...and I was told i was an idiot (for lack of better word) because he "clearly" slammed it.
PLEASE stop acting like a perfect, innocent victim. Here are your first posts when all this started:

Please drop this "banging his head against the turf" garbage. He held EDS's head down....didn't bang/slam/pound it
And those with Richard Simmons as their avatar are awesome :)!

(Sarcasm)
And I have yet to see anywhere where anyone called you an idiot for your opinion, but yet you told people their thoughts were garbage and to change their own opinions. Ah you said lack of better word. Well, look back and you will see you disrespecting others so please stop acting innocent and perfect.

[bdubs3316]

PLEASE stop acting like a perfect, innocent victim. Here are your first posts when all this started:



And I have yet to see anywhere where anyone called you an idiot for your opinion. Ah you said lack of better word. Well, look back and you will see you disrespecting others so please stop acting innocent and perfect.

1st? Did i say i was perfect? NO...I said I said things I shouldnt have...but only after i was disrespected.

I dont need to look back...I know what happened. Sorry...was told I was Suh's lover...among other items. And was told I was completely wrong in my opinion....just not sure how an opinion can be wrong.

Thanks and have a lovely day!

[ManInTheMirror]

You have been yelling and screaming that everyone else's opinion is wrong. You started the gay puns in this thread. You disrespected first. You have yourself a lovely day as well.

[fullmetal]

yep....looks like he's holding his head to the turf and EDS is trying to lift his head....Suh is not SLAMMING his head into the turf. thanks for proving my point :)!

Is that really your stance? The definition of the work 'slam?' Do you not acknowledge that Suh is showing poor sportsmanship by restraining the other player? I think my turtle could acknowledge that. You sound like an old man who knows he is wrong, but must stick to his guns because he fears embarrassment to his ego.

[bdubs3316]

You have been yelling and screaming that everyone else's opinion is wrong. You started the gay puns in this thread. You disrespected first. You have yourself a lovely day as well.

ummm...incorrect. but thanks!

[fullmetal]

Oh, is that what knowing means? Lol. I just posted my beliefs of what knowing is followed by my logic of how I came to that conclusion. But ok, glad I have you on here to let me know.

The ability of a logical discussion with someone who is unwilling to type out a three-letter word and use punctuation is simply a waste of time. I believe I read that this gentleman has a child. I hope he displays more maturity around children.

[bdubs3316]

The ability of a logical discussion with someone who is unwilling to type out a three-letter word and use punctuation is simply a waste of time. I believe I read that this gentleman has a child. I hope he displays more maturity around children.

seriously? because i dont punctuate properly on a forum or spell out a 3 letter word when 1 works...means i cant have a logical discussion?

that is ludicrous

[fullmetal]

seriously? because i dont punctuate properly on a forum or spell out a 3 letter word when 1 works...means i cant have a logical discussion?

that is ludicrous

Actually, this is a fact.

[dogzman]

Suh got so shafted! All he was doing was trying to get up and then his foot got caught up and he stumbled.

So now he gets suspended for 2 games and threw him out of the game because he was taking down Rogers ( the new poster boy for NFL) and Lions may have won.

[bdubs3316]

Actually, this is a fact.

ok...i guess you're right :)!

too bad i've had many logical discussions on these boards.

I'll let MITM's post speak for what you just said....

Once someone moves into "insulting grammar" territory you know they are between a rock and a hard place.

[ManInTheMirror]

Suh got so shafted! All he was doing was trying to get up and then his foot got caught up and he stumbled.

So now he gets suspended for 2 games and threw him out of the game because he was taking down Rogers ( the new poster boy for NFL) and Lions may have won.

http://www.memecreator.net/futurama-fry/showimage.php/1023/Not-Sure-If-SRS-.jpg

[sooslow]

too bad i've had many logical discussions on these boards.


Not in this thread you haven't. You have completely dodged most points and responded with rebuttals that often include
-an attack on character
-or debating the verb or wording used while clearly choosing to miss the point entirely.

You sound like Bill Clinton during the interrogation of the Monika Lewinsky trial....


"Well that depends on what your definition of "is" is."
Bill Clinton It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0)
LOL

[bdubs3316]

Not in this thread you haven't. You have completely dodged most points and responded with rebuttals that often include
-an attack on character
-or debating the verb or wording used while clearly choosing to miss the point entirely.

You sound like Bill Clinton during the interrogation of the Monika Lewinsky trial....


"Well that depends on what your definition of "is" is."
Bill Clinton It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0)
LOL

you were the one calling me gay and suhs lover...but how quickly you forget.

i guess u are perfect in all of this.

you were debating the same thing i was...dont act like u werent. i said he wasn't slamming...and u said he was. sounds similar.

if you want to have a logical discussion...i'm all for it. but if you call me gay or attack my character, i will respond...whether you like what i have to say or not.

[sooslow]

you were the one calling me gay and suhs lover...but how quickly you forget.

i guess u are perfect in all of this.

you were debating the same thing i was...dont act like u werent. i said he wasn't slamming...and u said he was. sounds similar.

if you want to have a logical discussion...i'm all for it. but if you call me gay or attack my character, i will respond...whether you like what i have to say or not.

I think you're confusing me with someone else. The only insult I hit you with was being a Lion's fan. :D

As far as my debate, no, I even stated something along the lines of "call it what you want, push, shove, slam, forced his head into the ground." You would rather argue with choice of words when I gave you your pick!
Packer's lineman's head is off the ground, Suh pushes it into the ground. Packer's lineman's head comes back up, Suh once again pushes his head back into the ground. I really can't debate this anymore. The video evidence is overwhelming.

[bdubs3316]

I think you're confusing me with someone else. The only insult I hit you with was being a Lion's fan. :D

As far as my debate, no, I even stated something along the lines of "call it what you want, push, shove, slam, forced his head into the ground." You would rather argue with choice of words when I gave you your pick!
Packer's lineman's head is off the ground, Suh pushes it into the ground. Packer's lineman's head comes back up, Suh once again pushes his head back into the ground. I really can't debate this anymore. The video evidence is overwhelming.

Ok...I apologize for using derogatory words toward u. That wasn't all u said though, but I was confusing you with someone else.

And yes we disagree on what happened...and likely won't change.